1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Hey, we welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: ball reminder. You can check the Doug gottli Show out 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: we go three to five Eastern, twelve to two Pacific. 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: Got the in the Bonus podcast, which is like a 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: radio show in and of itself self, contains pretty awesome 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: He download that one as well. All right, enough for 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: the promo stuff. My guest today is my brother Greg, 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Greg Gottlieb. Of course you can fall him on social media. 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: He was the longest tenured assistant in the Pac twelve 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: before moving over to the women's side three years ago. 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: Now he's with Grand Canyon, and I wanted to have 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: into a bunch of topics with him. I mean, he's 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: the longest tenured Pack twelve assistant until he left Oregon 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: State going back to the COVID year and then since 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: then he's been on the women's side for the last 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: two and a half years. So the differences in that 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: don't want to ask Matt Quarters is supposed to have 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: some of the team building aspects of it. There's just 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: lots of interesting stuff to talk about. Plus we got 20 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: a lot of PAC twelve discussion without further ado, here's 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: my brother Greg and uh this is we could we 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: could hashtag this basketball brothers enjoy. All right, let's before 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: we get to the men's game. Okay, I do want 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: to ask you. There's a lot of there's a big 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: push in the men's game play quarters. You've coached, this 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: is your third year the women's game. What do you 27 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: think of quarters as supposed to have? You know, it 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: definitely changes the game for some reason, it seems really 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: a longer. I think the game seems longer. I like it. 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things that they do 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: actually that make a lot of sense, not just the quarters, 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: but you know, you also have the timeout advance in 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: the end of the game too, which just like the NBA, 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: I think both of those help a lot. You know, 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: the whole thing with the quarters, I mean that's just 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: one less media timeout, but they still have it I 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: programmed in so to speak, So ten minute quarters and 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: then there's a five minute media timeout. So you have 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: five minutes ten minute see have three you media timeouts? Yeah, exactly, 40 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: there's media timeouts at five and then you know the 41 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: only issue sometimes is you know they'll have a if 42 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: they have a some sort of uh you know thing 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: that where the referees have to go to the monitor 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: do something they that'll count as your media timeout, and 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: that can that can be hard when it happens at 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: the nine minute mark and now you've got nine minutes 47 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: without a timeout. So I would say the one thing 48 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: that's definitely different because you timeout. Advanced coaches save their 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: timeouts to the and rarely use them during the game 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: because it's such an advantage at the end of the game, 51 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: which you know, it really changes the strategy a late 52 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: game because you've got you know, six seconds you can 53 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, two seconds you can get a shot. So 54 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of that, and you gotta work. 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: You gotta work on all those things. Sideline out of 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: bounds are obviously in that regard too, are much more 57 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: important when you have that how's your slob game? Slot games? Nice? 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: So but you gotta you definitely, I mean those are 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: really important. And you know where you're looking a lot 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: of times end of game situations, what are teams doing 61 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: but a lot of it, like the NBA, it's going 62 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: to come out of a sideline out of bounds. Well 63 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: what about what about what about the argument that I 64 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: look at all these great length of court plays that 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: have happened in college basketball. We're going to eliminate that 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: in order to make our make the game like the 67 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: NBA game. There's still I mean, you still gotta go. 68 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: First of all, there's length of court plays every quarter. 69 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, you've got three of those that could happen 70 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: anyway in the first end of the first, second, and 71 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: third quarters. But also you could choose to not advance. 72 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: You just you just gotta know, like I said, like 73 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: if you're you know, it's kind of it just like 74 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: I said it it it lengthens the game, you're it 75 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: gives you a lot more strategy towards the end of 76 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: the game where you could still come back if you 77 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: have enough timeouts and you have the ability to draw 78 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: something up and you and you really both teams got 79 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: to have strategy. Do you want to get the do 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: you want to advance it? Is that advantage for you 81 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: or not? Is it better advantage to go the length 82 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: of the floor, so to speak? So I mean I 83 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: like it. I like it a lot. Although and and 84 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think, what what's the what do they 85 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: call the thing in the TBT that that was fun too. 86 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: I have to experiment it ending. The elim ending is another. 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a completely different way, but I mean 88 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: you're never out of it in the elim ending, and 89 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: I think that's a whole different thing. But that, man, 90 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun when we experimented that once, 91 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, in practice and done it in camp and 92 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: stuff like that with the younger kids too. So but 93 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: I do think you're never out of it, and that 94 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: part's super fun. Totally different way, But the game's got 95 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: to end on a basket too, you know, you can't 96 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: just you know, time and score, so to speak. I 97 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: think it's interesting though that college men's basketball is the 98 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: only only one that hasn't moved through the quarters. You know, 99 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: it's a little bit dated. I mean, I'll be I'll 100 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: be honest, like the one that I enjoyed coaching international 101 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: basketball with the fever rules. I don't know when you guys, yeah, 102 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: I know you went with Oregon State and what your 103 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: feelings were, But I mean, I love the I love 104 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: the that there's no basket interference on offense or defense, right, 105 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people who don't understand, like 106 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: goaltending still exists. That just means when the ball is 107 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: on the rim, it's live. I love that for the 108 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: men's game. And then I like, I mean, there's far 109 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: fewer timeouts there, right, you get there's you know, timeouts 110 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: that you can use within the last five minutes of 111 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: the game, you know, but you also can't call live 112 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: ball timeout. It's gotta be a dead ball timeout. So 113 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: that part two it is really cool. Sure. And then 114 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: I like the fourteen second reset on offense. I like 115 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: twenty four second s choclock and fourteen second reset, and 116 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: I've kind of evolved on it. I don't mind the advancement. 117 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I don't know. I don't know 118 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: if there's a way of doing it where you keep 119 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: the length of the floor one in. It's like you're 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: gonna still have those, though, Doug, because you're one if 121 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: you run out of time, else you're gonna have to 122 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: do it. And too, it's your choice to whether you 123 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: want to use it or not. It's just now, when 124 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: you advance the ball, does it do they shrink the 125 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: shot clock? Not that it matters, but they shrink shockle Yeah. 126 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: So that's the other international widlife is that it's twenty 127 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: four but then fourteen if you get if you advance it. Yeah, yeah, 128 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's that's where a lot of 129 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: coaches in college have struggled that went on to the NBA. 130 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: Is the game's completely different when you go to twenty 131 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: four second shot clock, you know, because it's a quick 132 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: action and then you gotta play because you got to 133 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: go get a shot. You know, there's no you don't 134 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: have time for you know, a whole lot. So, but 135 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: I do think it's just interesting to see how the 136 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: game's changed, you know, and the way the game's refereed 137 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: has been changed. I would also say you can get 138 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: in a much greater appreciation for officiating and men's college 139 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: basketball by being in women's college basketball. So it's just different. 140 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: I mean there's some good officials and women's basketball, but 141 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: they they officiate the game completely different. You know, they 142 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: got this well. First of all, the game is US. 143 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: It's much more physical. On the men's side, it's still physical, 144 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: but different. You know. I think the men they're starting 145 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: to evolve a little bit like the NBA and give 146 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: you a little bit of room on a screen, on 147 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: a ball screen in terms of you know, guys can 148 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: kind of step into people a little bit, But I 149 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is the level of communication they 150 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: have with the with the coaching staff. I mean, you look, 151 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: both coaches are they're going to work the referees and 152 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: be having conversation with them all the time. And women's 153 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: basketball it's it's it's more like high school basketball, where 154 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: like literally you can you have very limited contact with them. 155 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: They really don't. They don't allow you to. They don't 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: allow you to lobby. Their call your call, they don't 157 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: want to hear it. They'll call you. They'll give you 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: a technical foul for just if you if you're on 159 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: them and say, hey, that's a foul, you miss that. 160 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: You know they're they're being really physical or you know, 161 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: and you're demanding of that, like they're they're gonna you're 162 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: gonna get tea eventually you get warning. They don't want 163 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: to hear any of that stuff. Where again, if you're watching, 164 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: if you're watching you know men's college basketball, you know 165 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: they're both both sidelines are going to be you know, 166 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna have dialogue with the refs, and they can 167 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: be firm. They're they're they're not demeaning, but they're firm. 168 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: And the other thing is that the referees, these guys 169 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: have been doing it for twenty thirty years. I mean, 170 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: these guys are sharp man, and they're good, and they're 171 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: also smart enough to they have relationship with everybody on 172 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: both sides. They know who everybody is on the you know, 173 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: on both staffs, because they're planning on having dialogue with them. 174 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: So I think it just changes the way the game is. Okay, 175 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: what about you know, you're you're like basically the offensive 176 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: court dinner, right what you guys do at a Grand 177 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: Canadian in terms of the actions you run. How how 178 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: different are they based upon the differences in men and women. 179 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: I don't know there's that different. I think the biggest 180 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: thing is is, you know, for us is trying to 181 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: fit it in with our style of play. And we 182 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: play really fasten up tempo, so we're doing a lot 183 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: of things that create pace. The hardest part that we 184 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of times offensively is the way we 185 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: play because we're pressing, trapping a defensive oriented team and 186 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: we're always in scramble. So the only you can't really 187 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: rest on defense, you know, so you know, we're not 188 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: we're not going to run back, stay in and catch 189 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: your breath and wait for them to come at us, 190 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: so to speak, we're picking you up, we're in passing lanes, 191 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: we're rotating over. So when you get into the half 192 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: court on offense, as times when if you don't have 193 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: enough structure, they're going to rest because they don't have 194 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: other times. So, you know, the probably the hardest thing 195 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: I think, in again in women's basketballs is forcing fouls 196 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: consistently because you know, you can't get above people a 197 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: lot of times when you get to the basket. Not 198 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: not to say that there aren't women that do, but 199 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: it's not nearly as common. So if you get to 200 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: the basket, you gotta you gotta find ways to force fouls. 201 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: And again for us, who's a pressing, trapping team that 202 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: helps us catch our breath so we can set our 203 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: defense as well. And and sub so, coaching women as 204 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: opposed to coaching men, what's like the what? What's the key? 205 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: What's the key difference? How do you how does your 206 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: how is your approach different? How's your approaching? Saying well, 207 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: I think that the way it's the same. I think 208 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: you really got to look at it like you're coaching 209 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: basketball players. I think I think that part gets overlooked, 210 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: you know. I think, you know, if you find basketball 211 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: players men or women that love the game, love the process, 212 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, love the work, you know you're in the 213 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: right place and you're gonna get a connection with them, 214 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: and they like to be pushed. And I'll tell you what, 215 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: there's some really competitive women out there, really just tough, 216 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: hard nosed players. So, you know, I think the biggest 217 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: thing I think with any team, men or women is 218 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta you gotta earn earn their trust, 219 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, and individually as well as collectively. So you know, 220 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: you do that by finding a way to help them 221 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: and show that they individually that you have that you know, 222 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: you have their best interest, and when you do that, 223 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: you can push them. So I don't know I think that, 224 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: but I do think with women there's probably even more 225 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: sense of team in a lot of ways. And that 226 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: part's been really fun, you know. I think they're really connected, 227 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: want to be connected, have and I think that part's 228 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: been really fun in that regard, you know. And it's 229 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: interesting because I think, you know, in talking to some 230 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: people that I know on the men's side who've recruited 231 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: a lot of Australian kids. I think that's that's a 232 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: huge piece for the culture of the Australian kids that 233 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: they've had too, is that that whole sense of team 234 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: is just more important. And I think that's that's been 235 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: really good with us. What about the portal in regards 236 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: to coaching, right, like and and and I l as well, 237 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: it's all kind of connected. Does any of that play 238 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: a part in like how you manage your roster? Right, 239 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: because you talk to men's coaches and are like, you know, look, 240 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: you know you get some of these guys on big 241 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: nil deal and you got to manage it because the 242 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: second things aren't going their way, they're out, they want 243 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: in the portal whatever, or sometimes they play well and 244 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: you got to worry about nil at a different school. 245 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: Is that at all part of the management roster the 246 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: roster management? Sure? I think all all those things factor in. 247 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: And you can leave immediately and be elgible or another place, 248 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: and you definitely have to factor that in. I think. 249 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: But you know, and when you're running your program, you know, 250 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: as you're building your program, running your program, you know 251 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: you've got to find a balance of getting high school 252 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: players and getting them to get better. You got to 253 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: find some kids in the portal, let's say, and help, 254 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think, but I do think that's an 255 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: evolving thing on both men and women's side. You know. 256 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: I think you've seen some some programs too where they 257 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: made some mistakes by taking too many kids in the portal. 258 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: You know, you know there's probably some kids too that, 259 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it may have been led to believe 260 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: that whatever their value was or the money they were 261 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: getting wasn't what it is. And I think that seems 262 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: to be the case I've heard in a lot of situations. 263 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: But you know, I think when you're in this time 264 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: of the season right now, you're just you got to 265 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: figure out how you can get everybody on the same page. 266 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: You know. The challenge for every team is is different 267 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: depending on the number of kids. You know, for us, 268 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: our team this particular year, we have ten new players. 269 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: Of our of our fifteen players, we have ten new players. 270 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: So it's like starting over almost every year, and so 271 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: that's that's really the hard part, because you don't have 272 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: a whole lot of defined roles. You know. I think 273 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: if you if in the years past where you have 274 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: three or four of your top players back everybody kind 275 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: of knows these all right, these we're you know, we're playing, 276 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: we're filling behind them. There these role kids down. Yeah, 277 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: everybody's trying. Everybody's trying. Everybody's kind of trying to establish 278 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: their role instead of it already being established at the time. 279 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: The other part is you don't have you know, I 280 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: think even kids that have average basketball i ques, the 281 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: more they're in a program, the more they know expectations, 282 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: they learn from your they absorb your basketball IQ. And 283 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just I use this example a lot 284 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: is two thousand or in sweet sixteen and we're on 285 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: the sideline and the coaches are doing their meeting thing 286 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: and Bryan mottin nodding and says like, hey, you think 287 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: cyclone would work? And he's like, yeah, dude, it'd be 288 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: a layup. I was like, all right, let's run it. 289 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: Does everybody remember it? We hadn't run it in a 290 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: year and a half, but we had we had guys 291 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: that had all we ran it to employed play we 292 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: had run to death the previous two years, and that 293 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: combined with an out of bounce play we hadn't run 294 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: at all that season. It was you know, it's like 295 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: I remember talking to Tommy amercra afterwards, He's like, what 296 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: was that play? You? Like a year a couple years later, 297 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: he's like, what was that play? You guys ran? Like 298 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: we hadn't seen any of that. We watched every game 299 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: like because we hadn't run it the whole year, hadn't 300 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: practiced anything. But you know, you have guys in the program, 301 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: so you don't. It's something that's gone, right, something that's gone. 302 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: You can't go like, hey remember two years ago and 303 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: we came down here and played like nope. I mean, 304 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: the league's changing, the personnel changes. It's so weird to 305 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: have to have such a low recidivous rate in college basketball, 306 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: men's or women's game. I think the other part that 307 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: kind of overlooked too. I think you know, before COVID, 308 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: you would asked most coaches they never take a player 309 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: based on film, just on film. And you know historically, 310 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, when I was at San Diego State, we 311 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: took a number of transfers and that became kind of 312 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: what we were known for. And we did. We took 313 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: a couple at cal as Well that I thought really 314 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: had a tremendous impact. But that part of our formula 315 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: of the kids that we were, kids that we had 316 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: previously recruited, you know. And I think right now everybody 317 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: went looks in the portal and that that windows a 318 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Kids are going to look and they're 319 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: making decisions that are a little different too, maybe trying 320 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: to figure out other reasons why that might be the 321 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: best fit the biggest program. Maybe an nil. I don't know, 322 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of coaches too that 323 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: all right, you get these kids and they're good players, 324 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: but do you really know what they do? Well? Are 325 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: you really using them to their strengths? You know, is 326 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: it really the right fit? And sometimes it takes some 327 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, a whole year for you to figure out 328 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: what they do, or maybe they don't even do that. 329 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: Maybe they just try and plug them in, you know. 330 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: So now you have newport rules where if you take somebody, 331 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: they're on your books until they finish their eligibility. Yeah, well, 332 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the other part. But I'm just 333 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: talking about it on the court, you know, I understand, 334 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: but it all it does relate to the you make 335 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: an eval film instead of really knowing the kid, you 336 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: get them in they don't fit. You know, even if 337 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: they leave there, they still kind against your scholarship limit, 338 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: which it is. It's hard, no question, but you know, 339 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: I mean that's the rules are constantly changing. You know, 340 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: if you've done it long enough, you've experienced a lot 341 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: of different things, and you just gotta you gotta embrace 342 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: whatever the rules are. And you know, the one thing 343 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: that's created about college basketball, people are notorious they find 344 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 1: the loophole, you know. But you know, I think I 345 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: do think if you look around the country right now, 346 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: most of the the programs that are really consistent still 347 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: they haven't changed that much. Sure they've may be taking 348 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: a few kids out of the portal, but they haven't 349 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: completely you know, change their philosophy, you know. So and 350 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: I think, you know, you have to have your philosophy 351 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: and probably a system that you recruit to. That part 352 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: helps too, you know, if you change the way you 353 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: play all the time based on who you have, I mean, 354 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: I think that's in general good. But you know, if 355 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: you're building a program really that want to sustain, you 356 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: kind of have to have a style of play and 357 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: then recruit kids that fit into the style of play. 358 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 359 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports 360 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the iHeart Radio app. Search 361 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: f s R to listen live. I want to talk 362 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: to some Pac twelve hoops because you spent so much 363 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: your career there. Let's start Grizon Stake probably the most 364 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: surprising team, you know, probably the most surprising team in 365 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: not just the league, but one of the most surprising 366 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: teams in the country. Bobby's had years where, you know, 367 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: everybody thought they'd be good and they were disappointing. I 368 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: always think he's on these guys that like when people 369 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: count them out, that's what he's at his best. That 370 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: feels like this group and you know, he's had some 371 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: guys down, there's some big name recruits, and the team 372 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: has played better. You saw them in person. What do 373 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: you think of Sundals? You know that. Yeah. The first 374 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: piece is what you just finished with, which is, you know, 375 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: Marcus Bagley, you know who's really three years in a row. 376 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: He's been someone they probably were counting on and hadn't 377 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: been there for him. And so you know, I don't 378 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: know what the issue is with Bagley right now, but 379 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: he's he's not he's not playing. And for a guy 380 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: to have a guy, a key guy that you were 381 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: counting on, I mean, I think, and not playing and 382 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: then be as good as they are is really exceptional. 383 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: I think they've done a phenomenal job of building their roster. 384 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: They've got depth at a lot of positions. They the 385 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: biggest thing they do they really really pressure the ball 386 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: and guard. You know, it's a little bit of a 387 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: Duke philosophy there where they're really they're picking the ball up. 388 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they're harassing the ball from ninety four feet. 389 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: They're making it hard on every catch and they got 390 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: a lot of length. But there their point guard, a 391 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: little Frankie collins Man, he really can harass the ball. 392 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: See that was a good That was a good take 393 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: from the portal. Like here's a kid who's at Michigan, 394 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: doesn't score much, right, but it's what he's needed. It's weird, 395 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: like Bobby Hurley, the ultimate true point guard, and he's 396 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: had all these scoring ones. You know, he had Remy 397 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: Martin who goes hot and cold, and he gets rid 398 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: of Remy. He's got just guys that want the ball 399 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: and need the ball, want to do it themselves and 400 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: now you have a guy who, you know, Frankie is 401 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: showing a better ability to score hers on the state 402 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: than he did in Michigan. But like that's a really 403 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: good take out of the portal that's worked out really 404 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: well for him. Sure, well he's got you know, he's 405 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: got a you know, he's got a unique group. But 406 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: they they've got a lot of length, kind of at 407 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: those mid mid positions, you know, two, three, four. They're 408 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: all long and lanky and athletic. You know, and you 409 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: know that if there there's an area they're a little 410 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: vulnerable is up front. You know, their center Warren Washington, 411 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: who Eye coached the Oregon State. He's really solid man. 412 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: He's become a really good college centers. He's having a 413 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: heck of a year. But you know, they definitely drop 414 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: off a little bit when they when they when he's 415 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: not in. That's probably the one area that they have 416 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of a weakness. And they're really more 417 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: of a defensive program probably right now as a post 418 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: an offensive program. But I think, you know, they're hanging 419 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: their hat on their defense. They got great chemistry. I 420 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: think in terms of like they're there, I mean, they 421 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: got a bunch of really just junkyard dog competitors who 422 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: really love to get after it, and they kind of 423 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: have a defensive swagger that kind of intimidates other teams. 424 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: And then they figured out how to win close games, 425 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: which is going to pay off, I think. And the 426 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: other piece too, honestly, that Arizona State's done a much 427 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: better job than a lot of teams in the PAC 428 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: twelve is they're playing people, you know, I mean, we're 429 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: they don't they're ten and one and you look and 430 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: you go soft schedule. You know, they played some really 431 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: good teams as well there, so they're they're pretty battle tested. 432 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: So it'll be curious to see if they can sustain that, 433 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, through the league. Okay, what about the rest 434 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: of the league. You know, I mean league is struggle. 435 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: They played this series against HBCUs and HBC use some 436 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: pop them right, losing games, you know, I mean I 437 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: by my estimation. And again you were in the league 438 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: for like fifteen years, fourteen years, so you'd no way better. 439 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: But it's you know, your league is judged usually by 440 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: two things, right, your two best teams, two best programs. 441 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: In this case, Arizona Ula really good, right, good teams Uhla, 442 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: just kick the crap out of Maryland and Arizona. You know, 443 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: outside of one stinkers at Utah coming off of Maui's 444 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: been really good, but the rest of the league left 445 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: a loot to be desired. And you get I mean, 446 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: you've got Cal and Stanford that have been Stanford has 447 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: been a great program that that they're a little better 448 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: this year, but it's only they've been great. Uh tal 449 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: is the only winless team in Divisional one basketball. That 450 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: seems impossible, but it's true. Washington, you know, obviously Hops 451 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: got to win the season. They've been better, but it's 452 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: not like they're dominant. Back to being good. SCS okay, 453 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: probably the fourth best team heading into you know, conference play. 454 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: Colorado some good, some not so good. I think they 455 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: lost to Grambling. They got some good wins and bad losses. 456 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: What's your guests on why the league is so top 457 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: heavy with those top two or now three teams. If 458 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: you had Nurson State, yeah, you know, I mean, it's funny, 459 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: I've won, you got half you got half the teams 460 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: in the league or five hundred or below, so you've 461 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: got you definitely have some teams that aren't very good 462 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: right now, you know, And I know being in the league, 463 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: all the coaches that are in the league are you know, 464 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: feeling the same way that I would if I was there, 465 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: which is like even when the when the league's good, 466 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: obviously the game's really hard. When the league's not very good, 467 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: they's still hard to win those games, you know. And 468 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: I do think there's a lot of teams that are 469 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: still trying to figure out who they have, Like I said, 470 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: when you got, you know, a bunch of new guys 471 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: on the roster. Organ is definitely a team like that, 472 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: and they've had some injuries. I think Oregon, you'll see 473 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: Oregon will surge towards the top. I'm not sure that 474 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: usc Is is the fourth. I think that in general, 475 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: they're they're talented, but you know, without their most herald 476 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: herald did recruit the big kid who's out. I'm not 477 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: sure if they're where they're at right now. Their schedule 478 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: really a lot of people. Huh did you say heralded, Yeah, Harold, 479 00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: Harold and heralded whatever. Anyway, that's like our dad, Hey, 480 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: I can make up it's infinity, Dad. Is that a 481 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: sign I'm getting there? It is? It is, well, anyway, 482 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: I think I don't. I think they haven't really played 483 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: a very tough schedule right now. I think I'm looking 484 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, Washington. You know, Washington had a really good win. 485 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: They probably want one of the better non conference wins. 486 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: And it's crazy they're beating one beat Saint Mary's in 487 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: the tournament down in Orange County there, you know, but 488 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, and and you know, I looked at Stanford though, 489 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: and Stanfords played a pretty tough scheduled. I think of 490 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: all the teams you know that are right now below 491 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: five hundred, I mean, I think at least Stanfords went 492 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: out and played a bunch of people. So, you know, 493 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: I think, and I watched, I went to the Arizona 494 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: State Stanford game, and you know, Arizona State jumped on them, 495 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: but they clawed their way back and it was a 496 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: competitive game down the stretch. They're not particularly athletic, but 497 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: they are pretty darn skilled. You know. I wouldn't count 498 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: them out yet, you know, because I do think they 499 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: have some some talent there. You know, again, if you 500 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: look based on who they played, Colorado's kind of random. 501 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: I think they had that one really good win at 502 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: Tennessee but they're kind of in a year where they 503 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: they've got a lot of new parts they're trying to 504 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: figure out. So I'm not sure where Colorado's hits. You know, 505 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: Utah's got one of the best records, and and and 506 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: that was a really good win Arizona at home. But honestly, 507 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: other than that, I don't think they really played anybody 508 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: that well. I mean, I mean, look, so obviously Stanford 509 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: over scheduled, and one of the things that killing these 510 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: teams is you know, you have these conference games in 511 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: you know, November and December. It's so weird, so you 512 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: can't kind of get that momentum and confidence by playing 513 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: too many. Also, but you know, Wisconsin's not a bad 514 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: loss in your state's not a bad loss. Oh missus 515 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: not a great game obviously, But uh that what I 516 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: think was in it was in a tournament. They beat 517 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: floor State, who's atrocious this year, but still a name win. Unbelievable. 518 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: They just haven't do any of the good team, any 519 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: of the decent teams. No, you're right, you're right, but 520 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: one of those things where like, yes, you overschedule, I 521 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: totally get it, but like at some point you gotta 522 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: win those games. Sure, sure, I think, you know, I think, 523 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: like you said, ucl in Arizona. But you know, the 524 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: right now, they're probably gonna be three, maybe four teams. 525 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: The problem that the league has right now though, is 526 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, once you've established that, and especially when you're 527 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: playing twenty league games now, so they got they all 528 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: have one or two more. I mean, I don't know 529 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: how many people have really quality conference or outside of 530 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: conference games ahead. I think Washington State plays Baylor, they 531 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: have a series I think with the Big twelve, like 532 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: Utah place TCU. That's a big one for the league 533 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: because Utah is two and oh in the league and 534 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: you know they have a whole loss. Sam Houston is 535 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: not terrible. But the point is there's not going to 536 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: be very many in conferences you know, like and and 537 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: if people really like if you really want to know, 538 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: one of the things that holds the pactrol back from 539 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: potentially having an NCAA champion as well, it's seating, you know, 540 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to get even UCLA in Arizona. 541 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: They're not going to benefit from playing teams that aren't 542 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: tournament teams consistently in the league. So because they're not 543 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: going to end up and you're not, you know, unless 544 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: you just go through the league undefeated, you're not. You're 545 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: not getting a one or two or three seat, you know. 546 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: So you know, I think right now I would say UCLA, Arizona, 547 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: Arizona State, and then if you're lucky, maybe maybe an 548 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: Oregon comes on, you know, but I'm not sure that 549 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: there's another tournament team in there right now. When you 550 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, you obviously did guys that bounce back between 551 00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: the seating state, but you also have recruited LA really 552 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: really well. Whether it's in the U State, cal Organ State, 553 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: didn't matter, right, You've done well. It's how does that 554 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: change with UCLA and USC leaving the league? You're one 555 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: of those other schools let's say the mains intact because well, 556 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing, I don't know how the 557 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: changes that much, because I think kids still want to 558 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: play in you know, kids want to play close to home, 559 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: go to school in a place where their families can 560 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: come watch and play, and all those kinds of things. 561 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: So I still think those schools, you know, in Stanford recruits, uh, 562 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: Stanford is going to recruit nationally anyway. They're getting the 563 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: best academic kids, you know, across the country, So that's 564 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: really not an issue for Stanford. So you're talking about 565 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: Cal and I think, you know, Cal. I still think 566 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: it's a it's a great school, it's got your you're 567 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: it's still it would be a very good league with 568 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: or without USC in UCLA. So I think that they'll 569 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: still be able to get kids. I think the issue 570 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: you have is now a lot of the schools in 571 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: the in the Big Ten are going to use that 572 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: as a window to come into into southern California though. 573 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: But but you know, even then, you know, right now, 574 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: recruiting so different because you've got kids. You know, there's 575 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: a lot of kids going to the prep schools that 576 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: are not in so cal right. I mean, there's a 577 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: ton of them in Arizona, actually, I mean there's they're 578 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: they're really all over the place. So you know, I 579 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: do think you'll see more people. You'll be some more 580 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: West Coast kids might that might end up in the 581 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: Big Ten. I think it's gonna be interesting because I 582 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: think that on on some level one level, you'll have, 583 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: like you said, you'll have some kids go now to 584 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: some of these Big Ten schools. I do wonder if 585 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, now you get them on the on the 586 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, you get them on the they go out 587 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: there for a year, I'm not happy they come back 588 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: if it actually benefitsly or does it benefit the Mountain 589 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: westmore that though they're not in LA, they're in San Diego, 590 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: right that it's just the dynamic of what it looks 591 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: like moving forward is going to be interesting because and 592 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: here's one. Has it affect USC? Like I think USC 593 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: probably benefits like U clean football because there's finally gonna 594 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: be people there, but they'll be like road games. Does 595 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: it change USC for the better? Does it change USC 596 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: for the worst? I'm intrigued by UCLA. I think I 597 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: think it's a home run for UCLA basketball. I do 598 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: think they'll struggle to win road games if it if 599 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: it is as it's constructed currently, Like that's just hard, dude, 600 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: Like you're going into gigantic arenas, good teams, well coached, 601 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: older and you gotta fly twenty five hundred miles right, 602 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: Like that's fricking hard. But I would also say that ball, 603 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: they'll have the Rose Bowl be more full and then 604 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: basketball like that, that's that's the juice they need because 605 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: they've actually been good here since mix been been there, 606 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: there's still not just the constant juice. And now when 607 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: you add in the fact that Michigan and Michigan State, 608 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: you know how the state will bring a couple probably 609 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: a couple of thousand fans that are local, you know, alums, whatever. 610 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the juice they need to fill that arena. 611 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: Makes it a much better. Like the one only thing 612 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: working against UCLA is it's just not the energy of 613 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: the programs outside of California or maybe Santego State and outstanding. 614 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: I think that's the part you haven't really mentioned. Really. 615 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: I think, you know, both UCLA and CAL for example, 616 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: benefit tremendously from that rivalry. In terms of games. You know, 617 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting because Iowa and Iowa State they have it 618 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: in there. I think it's like in the state law 619 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: that they have to play each other every year. You know. 620 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: Now they don't play maybe twice, but they do play 621 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: each other every year. But that's a game that definitely 622 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: is a really good draw, not just you know, you know, 623 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: Stanford U s A. Cal is called big game, but 624 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: UCLA and Cal is also a well attended, good rivalry 625 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: type of game. You know, I think USC Honestly, I 626 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: think this only enhances USC. I think USC what really 627 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: benefits from the you know name nil because for the 628 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: same you know, they have such a strong alumni network. 629 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: I think they're only benefiting from all that kind of stuff. 630 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: And honestly, Andy n Fils done as well as anybody 631 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: recruiting wise in the last five years, and so I 632 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: don't anticipate that to to change. And not only that, 633 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: but you know, it only makes it easier for them 634 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: to attract kids not just from the area, but from anywhere. 635 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I think USC has the ability to recruit 636 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: kids from anywhere, So you know, I think this movie 637 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: will only strengthen us these position. And I think to 638 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: your point, now they're going to get some other some 639 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: of those conference games from them at home are going 640 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: to be much more appealing for people to kind of 641 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: go on and watch. So but I do think, you know, 642 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: if it's funny that they talked about putting those you know, 643 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: the financial thing in place that for UCLA to paycal, 644 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: but really they really should be making sure they play 645 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: each other in football and basketball. I mean, those those 646 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: would be games that you know, in rivalries, I think 647 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: that would would be missed well, I mean U C. 648 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: L Arizone and basketball that's fish for that. Sure. Okay, 649 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: last thing, so when you're installing sets and things, do 650 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: you add as the season goes on? Definitely? I think, 651 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think especially for us again, we have 652 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: two ten new players, so you know, you kind of 653 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: you want to you want to start off with some 654 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: basic framework and they and I think you put in 655 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 1: you want to make sure they have all the pressure 656 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: counters and the reads built into the basic part of 657 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: your offense, you know, and then as your team, once 658 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: your team kind of really gets that down to where 659 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: they it becomes instinctual. And this is kind of like 660 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: what you were talking about before, like if you had 661 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: a team where you had of your team back, you know, 662 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: and you're starting off now, you know, so much further 663 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: on along the line, because now you're just refining some 664 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: of your your basic part of your offense and then 665 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: you can continue to add some things. But yeah, we've 666 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: we've definitely tried to do that. And I think part 667 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: of it as well is you know, having a few 668 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: things that first of all, it's information overload if you 669 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: try and put everything in all at once, right, so 670 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, you don't want paralysis by analysis, right, you 671 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: don't want them to get so much information process they 672 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing. So but once we've we've 673 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: tried to, we feel like we've gotten everybody where they 674 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: really have a clear understanding. Now it's time to try 675 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: and maybe refine it based on our personnel a little 676 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: bit more, and try and figure out how we're going 677 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: to highlight things or you know, what are we gonna 678 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: do when people defend us this particular way, you know, 679 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: or how are we gonna how are we gonna handle this, 680 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: or even something even a skill set we've got to 681 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: really develop because of you know, the way people guard, 682 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, in in I think this is real common 683 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of women's basketball. There's a lot more 684 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: teams that are still they paint protect and they'll go 685 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: under and dare you to shoot threes? You know, So 686 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: we put a tremendous amount of emphasis right now on 687 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: shooting the ball behind the ball screen because while you know, 688 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: some of them you may like them to twist and 689 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: turn the corner. Yeah you can twist it some, but 690 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, if there's a crowd and your point guard 691 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: can't get above somebody, I don't know that that's always 692 00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: going to be a great shot when you get them 693 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: all the way to the basket with with you know, 694 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: if you have size and athleticism, yeah you can twist it. 695 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: And you know we can do We'll do some of 696 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: that as well. But the first thing is we've got 697 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: to get to where when people go under, we make 698 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: them pay, and you know, because otherwise everybody's going to 699 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: go under. So and so that's been something that we 700 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: put a lot of emphasis on this year. I kind 701 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: of im I've kind of gone that route more as 702 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: opposed to in the past I would have said, yeah, 703 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: we've got to figure out whey to get the basket regardless. 704 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: But we'll still do some of that. But I want 705 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: to be able to make those shots behind the ball screen, 706 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: I think, so that people have to guard you different. 707 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: So that's the other thing that's interesting about the new 708 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: team is like you your sself is the same this 709 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: year from us year for the most part. Yeah, a 710 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: couple of little couple couple kind of because you have 711 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: to re teach it every year, you probably find yourself 712 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: teaching it better every year. Like, man, this is last 713 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: year I did this, and I don't like that I 714 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: want to do this and I want to do it 715 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: this way. Well, some of it's better, some of it's 716 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: you know, I've some of it too. You have where 717 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: you want to spend your time on certain things or 718 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: points of emphasis, and you'd like to go you know, 719 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: some areas of points of emphasis. Was stronger on one 720 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: area last year, and this went a little bit more 721 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: on this area, so you know. And then some of 722 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: it's yeah, learning, you know. I also one of the 723 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: things I try and do is, you know, get better 724 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: at it and really get a clearer understanding of what 725 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,959 Speaker 1: we're doing. So some of the things we already were doing, 726 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: I kind of studied some other people, had some conversations, 727 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: tried to learn the details a little bit better so 728 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: I really knew what more specifically, how I wanted to 729 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: look or how I wanted the end product to look too, 730 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: you know. And again, and I think one of the 731 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: things I learned from Mike Montgomery is like, you want 732 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: to really don't You really want to make sure you 733 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: only teach something you really know, because you've got to 734 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: have all the answers because you know the players are 735 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: going to come to you with, well, what happens when 736 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: this happens and you really you really have to know, 737 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: and nothing's more frustrating. You've been a point guard, so 738 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: was I. I hated when the coaches really didn't understand 739 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: offense and you know, the ball's got to go to 740 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,479 Speaker 1: the right wing every time you just telegraph to play 741 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: or whatever, and guy's not open, and the coaches like, 742 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: get them the ball anyway, I find a way to 743 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: get open, you know, And I felt like that's you know, 744 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: as a coach, you want to give them all the tools, 745 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: so you know, here's the read when they're you know, 746 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: what do you do when they overplay? What do you 747 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: do when they do this? How are we going to 748 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: do it versus that? So? And then obviously as as 749 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: you go along and during the season, you're gonna see 750 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways people guard you, you know, 751 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: whether it's different kind of zones or different ways they 752 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: match up a man to man, you know. So, okay, 753 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: then when you put something where do you get like 754 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: new stuff that you put in? Do you want it 755 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: like to all look the same or do you like, 756 00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: all right, I want to add something completely different. That's 757 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: a good question. I think I think you want to 758 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: you definitely want to disguise some of the things, you 759 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: know a little bit, but I do think, you know, again, 760 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: learning our team, we have a couple of different sets 761 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: that you know that will come out of a different look, 762 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: like if we're walking it up versus on a walk 763 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: up off a dead ball versus on a made basket, 764 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, so on a maide basket, we have a 765 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: kind of our secondary break, but there's a bunch of 766 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: different wrinkles off of that that we can do. And 767 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: then and then you know, on walk ups, well we'll 768 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: have a couple of different sets that are just a 769 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: little completely different than what we're doing, you know, on 770 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: our secondary break, And I like that to be honest. 771 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: So and then you know, we've had some games too 772 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: where we've had control of the game. So sometimes, honestly, 773 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, even we'll work on some board to court 774 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: situations out of timeouts, and I may come into that 775 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: a game with a couple of different things that I 776 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: might want to do it that we haven't necessarily worked on. 777 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: And if we have control of the game, you know, 778 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: I might be able to experiment a little bit. So 779 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: because sometimes it's a lot better to do it against 780 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: other teams than do it against yourself. So all right, 781 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: last thing, your league is ever changing, kind of random, right, 782 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: what's the outside of it? And I know your guys 783 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: environment's awesome, but just Jim wise, arena wise, what's the 784 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: coolest one that when you walked in, You're like, I 785 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,479 Speaker 1: had no idea. This is kind of a cool place. Yeah, 786 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, that's funny because we haven't been to 787 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: everybody in the in the in the league because there's 788 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: so many teams, we haven't played all the road games 789 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: and they've had it. I've heard Steven if Austin has 790 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: a really nice facility and last year we played Abilene 791 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: Christian and if you can believe this, they played in 792 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: their games last year in the tennis facility because they 793 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: were redoing the arena. So I'm sure there's going to 794 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: be really nice when we get there this year. You know, 795 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: cal Baptists got a beautiful arena. I think that place 796 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: is really nice. So, I mean, there's there's some other 797 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,959 Speaker 1: good places in the league. But it is interesting because 798 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: we have not just some different places, but you know 799 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: when we've added like Texas Arlington this year. You know 800 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: last year it was Stephen F. Austin, and you know, 801 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: you're adding teams that are tournament quality teams, and it's 802 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: like the bar keeps moving in terms of like, all right, 803 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 1: who's the team to beat, so to speak in your league? 804 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: You know. So our first year cal Baptists won the league, 805 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: so that was a kind of the bar you want 806 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: to win the league. And then they move the bar 807 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: they add Stephen F. Austin, who was really good. So 808 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: those are the kind of things that are probably a 809 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: little bit unique when the when the league changes so much, 810 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: you know, But I don't know, I think it's kind 811 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: of fun in the same regard. So I've been to 812 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: a lot of different gyms in the in the last 813 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: twenty eight seasons, so you know, just keep checking boxes, right, yeah, 814 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: you know. So I'm looking at Abilene Christian's place. It's 815 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: been redone. It's really cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 816 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: think I think it. Yeah, it was a kind of 817 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: a neat campus. You know, it's just my we only 818 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: we were only there for you know, a short time, 819 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: but I do think it's it was a pretty neat place. 820 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: They're athletic director Zach Laster. I actually worked with him 821 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: at Oregon State. Great guy. You know again in the 822 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: wax is a little interesting because half the teams have 823 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: football and the other half don't. Right, so that's a 824 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: whole different thing, completely Yeah, completely different. Yeah, you know, finances, importance, university, 825 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: all that different stuff. Yeah. Or let's where their emphasis is, 826 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: whether it's basketball, football, etcetera. You know, you know, obviously 827 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: Grand King and the emphasis, I mean there's a menis 828 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: emphasis on really all sports, but basketball definitely there's a 829 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: commitment there. All right. That's it for this edition of 830 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: All Ball. Got some really good stuff coming next week. 831 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: Is you get ready to travel for the holidays, tell 832 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: friends about it. You can download some of the previous 833 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: episodes and we're gonna load up for you so that 834 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: hopefully most every day of the holiday season you'll be 835 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: able to listen to All Ball. 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