Speaker 1: All from Shabo.
Speaker 2: Hello, Yeah, it was this wild Yeah, who is this Sabo?
Speaker 2: What kind of name is Sabo?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: I assume that's not your real name?
Speaker 4: No time, or it's my explorer name?
Speaker 2: What what? What do you explore?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, like the sewers and old caves and abandoned buildings,
Speaker 4: that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: How long have you been exploring sores for? Uh?
Speaker 4: Probably like a couple of years now. Yeah. I just
Speaker 4: I got into it because one day I showed up
Speaker 4: to work. I used to work at a tropical fish store,
Speaker 4: and uh, it was really slow day and my coworkers
Speaker 4: showed up high it was just like chill with it
Speaker 4: is whatever.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then at the very end of the shift, he
Speaker 4: just asked me if I wanted to go check out
Speaker 4: a I got a cave in a sewer and I
Speaker 4: had nothing better to do, so.
Speaker 2: I went, how long had you known this guy before
Speaker 2: he asked you if you wanted to check out a
Speaker 2: cave and a sewer with him?
Speaker 4: I want to say, only like four months.
Speaker 2: That's a good enough amount of time to know somebody
Speaker 2: before you go into a cave with them. Tell me
Speaker 2: about cave guy, cave guy.
Speaker 4: Well, there are multiple cave guys. There are a lot
Speaker 4: of cave guys, but you want to know about the
Speaker 4: cave guy.
Speaker 2: I want to know. When I say cave guy, I
Speaker 2: mean the guy who took you to a cave.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so he I don't know, he was just
Speaker 4: another I mean he was my age and I guess
Speaker 4: he'd been doing it since he was like young, like thirteen,
Speaker 4: which seems kind of like where was his parents? But
Speaker 4: you know, hey, man, he he can do him.
Speaker 1: No, he was cool.
Speaker 4: We just worked at a dingy tropical fish store together
Speaker 4: and like occasionally we would like smoke weed before and
Speaker 4: after work, and uh, yeah, I don't know who's chill.
Speaker 4: I loved dude. He was a great guy. He moved
Speaker 4: out to Florida.
Speaker 2: But that really does have to be one of the
Speaker 2: best jobs ever.
Speaker 4: Just pretty good, honestly.
Speaker 2: Getting high in a store that nobody goes into ever,
Speaker 2: that's almost certainly a front for something else. And then
Speaker 2: afterwards and then you meet every little guys who take
Speaker 2: you into caves. That's so that's a sick job. That's
Speaker 2: a sick job.
Speaker 4: Sorry, someone's knocking out my door. No, it was a
Speaker 4: fucking awesome job, Like I mean, I love fish tanks.
Speaker 4: I'm surrounded by pretty fish. You know, it's like dimly lit.
Speaker 4: All the tanks are like super old. It did look
Speaker 4: like a front, like it had the building had no windows.
Speaker 4: Everybody I talked to thought it was a front.
Speaker 1: I even had people.
Speaker 4: Come in like and ask me if I sold drugs,
Speaker 4: like late at night because they thought it was a
Speaker 4: front for like fucking trust. Ugly, it was fucking stupid.
Speaker 2: How many times per shift would a customer come in?
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean like during the weekdays, like only like
Speaker 4: four or five. Honestly, on the weekends it could get
Speaker 4: pretty busy. I mean there's a lot of people who
Speaker 4: got who got fish they got to take care of.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: But during the weekdays it was pretty dead.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: I really think about this stuff all the time, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, what, can I ask what city this fish
Speaker 2: store is in?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Minneapolis, Okay, I mean because I always wonder, like, Okay,
Speaker 5: there's certain like to keep a business open costs a
Speaker 5: lot of money every month, right, and it's like there's
Speaker 5: a certain amount of.
Speaker 2: A tropical fish that you need to sell to like
Speaker 2: break even, and then you got to sell like double
Speaker 2: that to actually make any money, So how the fuck
Speaker 2: does this fish store afford to stay open?
Speaker 4: By the owner is a total cheap skate. He like
Speaker 4: he paid me like less than in a wage, and
Speaker 4: then he also like genuinely talked about me to me
Speaker 4: about how like he didn't believe minimum wage should be
Speaker 4: a thing. He was like, it's like I should be
Speaker 4: able to negotiate, you know, by wages with my prospective employees,
Speaker 4: you know, as you know, as.
Speaker 2: He was paying me, Like listen, what's your name again, Sabo? Sabo?
Speaker 2: I'm look, I'm all for workers a minimum wage, okay,
Speaker 2: but it's it sounds like you got paid about as
Speaker 2: much as you should to get high and look at
Speaker 2: fish all day.
Speaker 4: I didn't just get high like a fish all day, dude.
Speaker 4: I was like cleaning the tanks and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: just like I mean, and like on busy days, like
Speaker 4: I was selling like thousands of dollars worth of like
Speaker 4: fish tanks and stuff like that. So I thought, I was, well,
Speaker 4: I mean, it depends on the fish.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: There are some fish that are only like two dollars apiece,
Speaker 4: but then there were several fish that were like three
Speaker 4: or four hundred dollars you know, it really depended on
Speaker 4: the kind of fish.
Speaker 2: Do you still work at this place?
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Still, but but your love for exploring abandoned stuff carried over.
Speaker 4: Hm, yes, and yeah it was actually really funny. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I still explore bandanciers. And it was really funny because like,
Speaker 4: so I I don't work there anymore. I have a
Speaker 4: different job. And then at my next job, there was
Speaker 4: another guy who was like even more into exploring than
Speaker 4: the first guy who had showed me a bunch of
Speaker 4: more stuff, and like, dude, he took me like like
Speaker 4: underground festivals, right, Like there's like a whole week long
Speaker 4: thing in Minneapolis where like people come from all over
Speaker 4: the country just to explore our our tunnels and stuff.
Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Ah, that is pretty cool. What's what's the festival called.
Speaker 4: It's called Mauser Week.
Speaker 2: Mauser Week. Tell me about Mauser Week.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's it's pretty simple, honestly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: It's just a bunch of people from all around the country,
Speaker 4: even in the world, who just enjoy like urban exploring,
Speaker 4: and so they come to come to Minneapolis for a week,
Speaker 4: and uh, we just have to throw big like cave
Speaker 4: parties and stuff like that and explore together and just
Speaker 4: have a good time in general.
Speaker 2: Anything crazy. You ever go down at these cave parties?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dude. Last year there was a prohibition esquitarian
Speaker 4: themed party and like an old bootlegging cave and uh,
Speaker 4: there was like a projector with a silent movie. There
Speaker 4: was like a whole ass horse skeleton. There was like
Speaker 4: an art gallery. There was a barter blackjack. There was
Speaker 4: a full cocktail bar. Like people like tapped into the
Speaker 4: street lamps nearby and like ran power into the cave,
Speaker 4: so it was fully lit up and we even had internet.
Speaker 4: And then like there was performances. There was like fire
Speaker 4: dancers and like music, and then there was a sewer
Speaker 4: back where there was like the pure surface dwellers versus
Speaker 4: like the dirty sewer people, and they like got into
Speaker 4: a battle, but then by the end they like became
Speaker 4: friends and were dancing in a circle. And then there
Speaker 4: was like an offering to the sewer goddess where people
Speaker 4: just you know left gifts in order to have good
Speaker 4: luck and not get lost in the tunnels. It was
Speaker 4: it was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: It was a good time.
Speaker 2: Does it smell?
Speaker 4: And the sewers. It definitely can. Sometimes it's it's really nasty. Honestly, Thankfully,
Speaker 4: I'm like partially nose blind, so I don't mind it
Speaker 4: as much, but it's it's it's really gross. Like I
Speaker 4: don't I don't really uh enjoy being in the sewers
Speaker 4: that much, but I go into the sewers because they're
Speaker 4: connected to other.
Speaker 2: Things, because the hottest parties in Minneapolis are going on
Speaker 2: down there.
Speaker 4: Yes, there's like huge raves that happened down there and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. It's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2: That's cool, man, that's cool. How often do you go
Speaker 2: into the sewer raves?
Speaker 4: I don't go to the sewer raves that often because
Speaker 4: I'm I mean, I'm not a huge party person. A
Speaker 4: lot of the time. I'll go for like a special occasions,
Speaker 4: but they happen pretty often. Like there's probably one going
Speaker 4: down during certain terms of the year. Is probably one
Speaker 4: going down like every weekend.
Speaker 2: Dude, I absolutely need to do one of my Gecko
Speaker 2: interview things at the sewer party. People are gonna think
Speaker 2: I'm cosplaying as a Ninja turtle.
Speaker 4: You should, dude, Honestly, like, if you ever came to
Speaker 4: the Twin cities. I could probably like set it up
Speaker 4: where we get internet into a cave and we could
Speaker 4: generally you could have a show in a cave.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm in want. I think I'm going to
Speaker 2: Minneapolis on my tour next year, so I'm in. I'm
Speaker 2: in the store party, yeah, I think. So I'm trying
Speaker 2: to well, what happened last year was I went to Indianapolis,
Speaker 2: and I thought that that was I thought the Indianapolis
Speaker 2: and Minneapolis were the same thing because you know they
Speaker 2: both have Panapolis in it.
Speaker 4: You're kindoy for that.
Speaker 2: What uh, what do you do now that you're not working,
Speaker 2: that you're not getting high and looking at fish.
Speaker 4: I'm a locksmith, which is kind of ironic because sometimes
Speaker 4: I go to explore things I have to like trespass,
Speaker 4: you know, but pick it's not people's homes.
Speaker 2: So as a locksmith, do you like, can you theoretically
Speaker 2: break into anybody's house?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm not like, I'm not that it's funny.
Speaker 4: I'm not actually that good at like lock picking, Like
Speaker 4: it's a really small part of my is like lock manipulation,
Speaker 4: but like I know the weak points in the lock
Speaker 4: and could get in within, like probably a minute or less.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 2: Do you foresee a universe where you ever use this
Speaker 2: skill for evil, like to steal chickens from a coop
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like if it was like life
Speaker 4: or death, I probably would, but I don't know. I
Speaker 4: I try to. I try to be a good boy.
Speaker 2: You know, where have you broken into?
Speaker 4: But I mean, like I wouldn't say I like broken in,
Speaker 4: but like I've you know, to get into the sewers,
Speaker 4: you have to like pop a manhole in the middle
Speaker 4: of the street.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I've also been inside of like abandoned mills and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. And there's, like I've sometimes you have to
Speaker 4: go through like rail yards and stuff like that to
Speaker 4: get into some of these spots. You know, there's bulls
Speaker 4: after you. I don't know if you know what bulls
Speaker 4: are and rail lingo, but yeah, no, just a sometimes
Speaker 4: you gotta sneak around people to get to the cool spots.
Speaker 2: What are bulls?
Speaker 4: They're just like the security guards of like rail yards.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I think the reason they're called bulls is because Hobo's
Speaker 4: always had to run from them back in the day,
Speaker 4: you know, when.
Speaker 2: They're trying to Now rail lingo. Let me hear some
Speaker 2: more rail lingo.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not as deep into the the train hopping community
Speaker 4: as I would like to be, so I don't know
Speaker 4: more rail lingo.
Speaker 2: I guess what's your like, Uh, what's your name again? Sabo?
Speaker 2: You can call Sabo? What's your prerogative? Sabo? What? What
Speaker 2: do you What do you dream of at night? What's
Speaker 2: the future look like for Sabo? You can go anywhere
Speaker 2: you can, and there's literally there is literally no place
Speaker 2: off limits to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't know. I have Yeah, I
Speaker 4: have places i'd like to go. I mean there's a
Speaker 4: there I've heard from like friends about like tunnels in
Speaker 4: other cities, Like there's some really crazy tunnels in Chicago
Speaker 4: and stuff like that that'd be cool to check out.
Speaker 4: I'd also really like to it'd be really really really
Speaker 4: sick to break into like the but like Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, Ukraine,
Speaker 4: that would be sick. But obviously there's a war going
Speaker 4: on in there right now. It's like I can't even
Speaker 4: get close to that. But I mean, like, are you
Speaker 4: asking like as far as like just dreams in general,
Speaker 4: Like what do I want to do with my life?
Speaker 4: Kind of do just go. I don't know, I kinda honestly,
Speaker 4: I hope my life ends up like kind of like simple,
Speaker 4: Like I'd really like to just like make enough to
Speaker 4: be comfortable, have a significant other, you know, like have
Speaker 4: a nice house with a with a big garden and
Speaker 4: a you know, a deciduous lawn, and just like go
Speaker 4: to work and not be stressed out. I don't not
Speaker 4: I don't really have like big aspirations. I just kind
Speaker 4: of want to like comfy.
Speaker 2: You know. Well, it's good that you have an inexpensive
Speaker 2: hobby because some people's hobby, as you know, is buying
Speaker 2: exotic fish.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I still do that sometimes too, but not
Speaker 4: as much as I used to.
Speaker 2: No, I have a question for you before we go.
Speaker 2: Do you have any safety concerns at all for for
Speaker 2: urban exploration? Because you know, I, by the way, I myself,
Speaker 2: I don't do it that much anymore. But I used to,
Speaker 2: like when I was a kid, I'd be really into, like,
Speaker 2: you know, exploring abandoned buildings and basements and all that
Speaker 2: kind of shit. But I know that that, uh, like
Speaker 2: you can you can get a little fucked up, whether
Speaker 2: it's like asbestos is running around, or like a tile
Speaker 2: breaks off and you fall down three stories or you
Speaker 2: know you ever run into anything like that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I actually I almost I almost killed
Speaker 4: my best friend while we were exploring once because there's
Speaker 4: this one storm drain that we like to go into
Speaker 4: and in order to get in, you have to go
Speaker 4: to the spot that's called Confuser. And the reason it's
Speaker 4: called Confusers is because there's like seven man holes in
Speaker 4: close proximity and only one of them has a ladder,
Speaker 4: but it's like a really visible spot, so you have
Speaker 4: to like open the right one and getting quick otherwise
Speaker 4: it get caught. As we went there and I opened
Speaker 4: the wrong one, and so my friend like started getting
Speaker 4: down in you know, was hanging onto the edge with
Speaker 4: his like arms, and he was like I can't feel
Speaker 4: the ladder. I cant feel ladder. And I was like, shoot,
Speaker 4: we gotta like turn on the light and just like
Speaker 4: figure this out. And you know, there was just like
Speaker 4: a twelve story drop beneath him, so we had to
Speaker 4: like pull him out. That wasn't fun. I really I
Speaker 4: felt really bad for that. So you gotta worry about
Speaker 4: stuff like that, you know. And I've also gotten like
Speaker 4: really sick from the sewers. I was better written for
Speaker 4: three days because I like basically got dysentery, so that
Speaker 4: kind of sucked. Yeah, and there's this sebaestos and you
Speaker 4: know there's hs gas and the sewers which can kill you.
Speaker 4: And you know if you get cuts and they get
Speaker 4: in effected, that's not good either. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: really dangerous. But uh, I don't know, I kind of
Speaker 4: like the danger. Maybe I'm a little bit of an
Speaker 4: adrenaline junkie in that way.
Speaker 2: You're like a ninja Turtle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, running around series Turtle power.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, it sounds like you were playing like manhole
Speaker 2: Russian Roulette pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And I'm really lucky
Speaker 4: I didn't kill my best friend. I would have done.
Speaker 4: That would have ruined my life. I think if that
Speaker 4: had happened.
Speaker 2: Well, Sabo, thanks for talking to me about Thanks for
Speaker 2: you know, you know what is cool about this conversation
Speaker 2: is God doesn't I don't know if the folks at
Speaker 2: home can't empathize with this, but God doesn't life feel
Speaker 2: boring sometimes? You know, don't you feel don't you do
Speaker 2: you ever feel like you already know all the stuff
Speaker 2: that exists out in the universe for you to do,
Speaker 2: and you're just bored. I'm glad I got to talk
Speaker 2: to you because any any day where I gain knowledge
Speaker 2: of a of a new thing that exists out in
Speaker 2: the universe, such as underground sewer parties, I gather a
Speaker 2: little bit more of my lust for life. So thanks
Speaker 2: for sharing all this stuff, Sabo. Is there anything else
Speaker 2: you want to say to the people of the computer
Speaker 2: before we go?
Speaker 4: Uh, Mouser's got a mouse, turtle power, turtle power, have
Speaker 4: a canet keake?
Speaker 1: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, Hi, what's your name? My name is Ben, Ben.
Speaker 2: What's up? Man?
Speaker 1: That's a gecko.
Speaker 2: This is gecko.
Speaker 1: What's up? Yeah, well you know what's up? Yeah? Well
Speaker 1: we might speak to That's what I texted you before. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I haven't worked in three years and paid by
Speaker 1: my company insurance because I went in to depression, like a
Speaker 1: deep fucking depression, and I got like, I I got
Speaker 1: panic attacks in anxiety a lot about like every fucking
Speaker 1: thing that exists. So and I got to go back
Speaker 1: to work in like three weeks.
Speaker 2: So you you're insurance your your did you get like
Speaker 2: panic attacks as a result of your.
Speaker 1: Work at the start. Yeah, yeah, back then, Well when
Speaker 1: I went into the depression three years ago. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: because I worked like for the government and I sell
Speaker 1: alcohol for the government where I live.
Speaker 2: So you sell alcohol for the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: You're in Montreal correct. Yeah, yeah, that's why you got back.
Speaker 2: Well that's what's why you got the French thing going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why that's why I was.
Speaker 2: I because I saw the I saw the plus one,
Speaker 2: I saw the Canada area code by you, and then
Speaker 2: you started talking and I was like, this is a
Speaker 2: very funny sounding Canadian man, but you're French.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am French. Yeah, it's like it's like like
Speaker 1: the actual like yo, it's the fun part of Canada.
Speaker 2: Now, why did selling alcohol for the government send you
Speaker 2: into a depression?
Speaker 1: I was looking at the COVID and you know, like
Speaker 1: the love here, like in the restrictions were like I
Speaker 1: didn't mind them that much, but they were like pretty heavy,
Speaker 1: and but like everything was closed, but like those the
Speaker 1: the like the liquor stores that were still open though,
Speaker 1: because you know, we we were making money for the
Speaker 1: government and also we're selling like it's a drug, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all quality. So and uh so you're gonna stop
Speaker 1: selling this because people are just gonna sucking break the
Speaker 1: windows and just go crazy every every every place that
Speaker 1: where they like the end every place where they did
Speaker 1: close the liquor stores, they all got rub so anyways,
Speaker 1: so that's why we kept on working. And like my
Speaker 1: what my job pretty much changed into like I became
Speaker 1: like a bouncer. You know, there's like only ten people
Speaker 1: could be in the store at the same time, and
Speaker 1: uh you know, it was that like I used to
Speaker 1: be like working in a warehouse and now I had
Speaker 1: to be like upfront with fucking crazy people. One thing,
Speaker 1: they're all cool and just like being aggressive and you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, it was a shifty time. So this
Speaker 1: was what sent me to depression. And then since I
Speaker 1: was depressed, like you you know, you would think that
Speaker 1: you're you're sad when you're the bread, but it's not
Speaker 1: the main thing. You're more seem like like angry, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I was angry and I stayed at my place.
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting out, so and that's when I started
Speaker 1: developing panic attects. Because like if you spend like six
Speaker 1: months in the same room and then a year in
Speaker 1: the same room, in a year and a half and
Speaker 1: two years, and I've spent three years I've been in
Speaker 1: my living room. Uh yeah. So now like things get,
Speaker 1: things get like it's like the world is shrunk, you know,
Speaker 1: and everything that's outside of my living room is like
Speaker 1: it's it's aggressing me.
Speaker 2: You know what kinds of things are aggressing you.
Speaker 1: Like everything that can be like everything that is like stimulating,
Speaker 1: like birds chirping or like, you know, it's no it's no.
Speaker 1: Last week here, like a ship shift on the snow
Speaker 1: and they had to uh plow it away and like
Speaker 1: every sound and every you know, like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Everything that I cannot control, everything that I cannot control
Speaker 1: is aggressing. And I think that's that's that's that's that thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, god yeah, yeah, you got into the world.
Speaker 2: The birds are chirping, there's fucking noises and people talking.
Speaker 2: It's it's annoying. It's annoying being inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my place is like super calm.
Speaker 2: So you also you mentioned in the text also that
Speaker 2: in okay, so, your story as it stands to me
Speaker 2: is you were working selling alcohol for the government in
Speaker 2: Canada because they have weird laws.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: This put you in a position where there was just
Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking crazy people around you all the time.
Speaker 2: This drove you kind of insane. And because it drove
Speaker 2: you insane, you were able to collect a bunch of
Speaker 2: money on insurance. And with that money, you've been able
Speaker 2: to stay home for three years. And you mentioned in
Speaker 2: the text, I believe you said that you haven't left
Speaker 2: the house in like two or three years. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Almost? I like I go out there be once
Speaker 1: every two or three weeks. Sometimes I go to the
Speaker 1: corner store to buy some rolling papers, but that's about it.
Speaker 1: I used to smoke a lot of cigarettes when I
Speaker 1: first went in to the depression. Like I hadn't smoked
Speaker 1: for like ten years, and I started smoking again. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're on depression, some might as well
Speaker 1: fucking smoke tobacco. And uh.
Speaker 2: Are you would you consider yourself agoraphobic?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, okay, yeah. And my doctor, my doctor also
Speaker 1: spoke to me about having problems with days and spoke
Speaker 1: I spoke about it with my I've actually been referred
Speaker 1: to a psychiatrists. I'm going to see one in January.
Speaker 1: It's going to be like the second time I see one.
Speaker 1: First time I spent one, you just like told me, like, well,
Speaker 1: you've got depressions, so take care of your depression and
Speaker 1: come back to see me. So I thought it was
Speaker 1: a bit like rough from this barness park there, but
Speaker 1: he was he was right, you know, might as well
Speaker 1: let's take care of one sickness and.
Speaker 2: Okay, I saw, I mean if we like, so let's
Speaker 2: get into it for a little bit. What what Yeah,
Speaker 2: these these three years that you've just been at home
Speaker 2: and you haven't been working, do you live alone?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What have you been doing past three years? Man?
Speaker 1: I taught myself how to program.
Speaker 2: Uh that's okay.
Speaker 1: Cool, I think, are you that's that's the only thing.
Speaker 1: For for the first six months, I did nothing, Like
Speaker 1: I started on my ceiling and I didn't for for
Speaker 1: for for after a year and a half. I mean,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get out of my apartments because I would
Speaker 1: get like too tired, you know, I couldn't get into
Speaker 1: my like walk from my kitchen to my living room,
Speaker 1: and I would be like exhausted just by doing this,
Speaker 1: you know, because I was so not doing nothing. So
Speaker 1: uh this also this also helped into the anxiety and
Speaker 1: feeling unsafe outside, you know, but yeah, that's mostly what
Speaker 1: I did for three years. I just like slugged myself
Speaker 1: on the computer and I didn't get out of my eyes,
Speaker 1: and I, you know, you know what what I like,
Speaker 1: I've only just like I've known Twitch, but I've only
Speaker 1: started watching Twitch for like a month.
Speaker 2: So so so Ben, what have you been like are
Speaker 2: you able to? Like is what have you been programming?
Speaker 2: What have you been coding? What have you been making
Speaker 2: with this new skill that you learned.
Speaker 1: I couldn't like, you know, I don't like, you know,
Speaker 1: programming languages, but I couldn't see so I thought myself
Speaker 1: out of code and see, so it's like pretty level
Speaker 1: stuff like like you know what I've like, I I
Speaker 1: had some like little gigs left and right, like on
Speaker 1: fivers and up work and these kinds of uh stuff
Speaker 1: where like because because I can do web also, but
Speaker 1: for like, the thing I like the most is c programming,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's low level stuff. So it's like
Speaker 1: I program like, like it's mostly for my portfolio, like
Speaker 1: so I can get a job maybe in that area
Speaker 1: instead of working where I like because I fucking hate
Speaker 1: my job. Uh so, yeah, yeah, so I've been mostly
Speaker 1: programming like stuff like you know, memory management stuff and
Speaker 1: like file systems and mini os operating systems like you know,
Speaker 1: like like low stuff, low level stuff.
Speaker 2: Like just Ben, do you do? You do? You do?
Speaker 2: You get lonely at all? And just being at your
Speaker 2: house and not not talking to anyone.
Speaker 1: I speak to people like every day, but like only
Speaker 1: on the on the internet around I am for I
Speaker 1: am tuckingly.
Speaker 2: Well, there there is a problem you have. You have
Speaker 2: you have like internet friends.
Speaker 1: No I got real friends, but no real actually real
Speaker 1: friends that I do see, but I I speak most
Speaker 1: of my interactions with them are still on the Internet
Speaker 1: because it's it's you know, it's mhm, every day living.
Speaker 1: But they actually live live in Montreal. They live like
Speaker 1: two streets away for me or so, so we do.
Speaker 1: I do see people once in the blue Moon, but
Speaker 1: I mostly speak to them on the But but you
Speaker 1: still do get lonely though, because it's it's not the
Speaker 1: same as as that, uh and there there is a
Speaker 1: loneliness problem with uh. I don't know North American men
Speaker 1: for sure, I know there there's yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: You you also said in the text that you're going
Speaker 2: back work on January in person at the liquor store. Fuck, yeah,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing, though, is so I know you're
Speaker 2: freaking out, but well, a couple of things, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like just totally like practical ship is like you've
Speaker 2: been spending the past three You're you're smart, You're really smart.
Speaker 2: You spent these past three years not you didn't just
Speaker 2: sit around and jack off all day. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you did a little bit, but you learned, you
Speaker 2: know you hold on, don't don't tell me what you're
Speaker 2: about to tell me. Just yeah, hey, got yeah, what
Speaker 2: were we gonna say?
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is that I just want to see
Speaker 1: something about depression and taking entirely presents, you know, because
Speaker 1: they took a lot of them. I'm still taking.
Speaker 2: Are you about to say that they make your dick
Speaker 2: not work?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no no.
Speaker 1: At first it's fucking worked, it's works, but you fucking
Speaker 1: can come like you don't get it again right, Like
Speaker 1: you just can't get to your right.
Speaker 2: So it's very possible that you were just yeah, it's
Speaker 2: very possible that you were just in the same masturbation
Speaker 2: session for three years and then eventually you know, you
Speaker 2: just come a whole bathtub at the end. But but
Speaker 2: what I was going to say, what I was going
Speaker 2: to say is you know you were smart, you learned
Speaker 2: a skill over the past three years. And so you know,
Speaker 2: my my friend, I wonder, why is it that you
Speaker 2: are Why have you resigned to yourself to Okay, I
Speaker 2: now have to go back to this fucking horrible job.
Speaker 2: As if as if A as if there's only one
Speaker 2: job available for you to do in the entire you know,
Speaker 2: country of Canada, and then b as if you didn't
Speaker 2: just spend a whole bunch of time learning a new
Speaker 2: marketable skill, Like why have you put yourself in this
Speaker 2: box where the only thing for you to do to
Speaker 2: make money? Now?
Speaker 1: Is this?
Speaker 2: Is this horrible job that you hate?
Speaker 1: I know, I think it's because I like, like it
Speaker 1: makes it makes when I look at it from the outside,
Speaker 1: it makes absolute sense for me to see what that
Speaker 1: fact I should take and like most probably will succeed in,
Speaker 1: but to actually do it.
Speaker 4: Or do it.
Speaker 1: Like everything is still uh creating like everything is still
Speaker 1: creating a lot of anxiety in me. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the main that's the main, main thing. And uh,
Speaker 1: I need to take the shipload Exanax just so I
Speaker 1: don't freak out books at the time, so at least
Speaker 1: at my government jump, you know, I thnk the Examax
Speaker 1: out of my head and scam bottles at cash, you know,
Speaker 1: and after for twenty dollars and just gives the fucking
Speaker 1: money back. And you know, it's a basic jo.
Speaker 2: Let me let me ask Let me ask you another thing.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you anything through your insurance over the
Speaker 2: past three years, have you been able to talk to
Speaker 2: a therapist? You said you spoke to a doctor who.
Speaker 1: Told yeah, yeah, yeah, but being a psychologist for four.
Speaker 2: Years, tell me, I'm curious. I want I want to
Speaker 2: know what are some things that the psychologists have just
Speaker 2: told you.
Speaker 1: Ah, well, we spent that ship all the time, and
Speaker 1: my my childhood, I had uh, you know, threat syndrome.
Speaker 2: Tourette syndrome. By the way, a very uh it's almost
Speaker 2: apt for you because touret sounds like a very French.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a.
Speaker 1: French y head. I was going to get to head,
Speaker 1: but you know, I said it, and it is just
Speaker 1: because it sounds so cooler. Oh that's that's the main reason.
Speaker 2: So what is your So, what what is your What
Speaker 2: is your psychologist told you that has been helpful for you?
Speaker 1: And it's been helpful, it's I don't know, man, because
Speaker 1: we've only been exploring, like even my best but like
Speaker 1: Shan really told me anything that much about like actual
Speaker 1: daily yeah, like actual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I fucking hate them. No, I know, I know,
Speaker 2: you mean, I fucking hate that like I've been you know,
Speaker 2: like I fucking hate in therapy where they're like, tell
Speaker 2: me about when you were eight years old. I'm like,
Speaker 2: first of all, I don't remember, and second of all,
Speaker 2: I'm a hundred whatever. Okay, look, I know I'm not
Speaker 2: a real therapist. I don't know, I didn't read any
Speaker 2: of the books or whatever. But I'm like one hundred
Speaker 2: percent sure that nothing happened to me when I was eight.
Speaker 2: That is the reason why I am. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: addicted to candy or whatever the fuck. But I'm also
Speaker 2: probably wrong and stupid. But but but no, I understand
Speaker 2: your frustration about that. So so okay, so nobody knows
Speaker 2: no psychologists, So no, no psychologists, no doctor. I mean
Speaker 2: that what about the doctor like, has any has any
Speaker 2: mental health or physical health professional given you any tips
Speaker 2: or positive ways forward to deal with the things that
Speaker 2: you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a doctor and uh he prescribed me bills.
Speaker 1: So it's pills in therapy with the psychologists, but that's
Speaker 1: mainly you know, they say you get access to like
Speaker 1: psychology resources and all this, but like it's hard to
Speaker 1: actually get good psychology treatment. I don't know, It's like
Speaker 1: sometimes you feel like they don't even know what to
Speaker 1: fucking do with you. So like like like that, like
Speaker 1: the woman a woman called me this week, like for
Speaker 1: an interview, like none of the interview, Like there's like
Speaker 1: a screening call before the psychiatrist. And she asked me
Speaker 1: like that bunch of a bunch of questions and like
Speaker 1: she asked me, what I what I what I'm expecting
Speaker 1: out of the psychiatrist? You know, like how am I
Speaker 1: supposed to know what to expect from the psychiatrist?
Speaker 2: I mean he's just like, I, I hold on, I
Speaker 2: think that's a legitimate question. What are you expecting out
Speaker 2: of a psychiatrist?
Speaker 1: Well, I I answered, Well, I just wish I wish
Speaker 1: is like I just wish. She opens up my head
Speaker 1: and repairs it. Yeah, that's why I told her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what what what?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: Like just just fucking track me open and fix.
Speaker 2: It up, you know, Yeah, but I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It's it's like she answered, But I mean I have no.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think that's a answer. I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, people go to school, and the job
Speaker 2: exists to do that, right. The job exists because people
Speaker 2: have fucking issues and they got to go to a
Speaker 2: person to help them with the fucking issues. So uh, okay,
Speaker 2: and this is the previous intake. So did you go
Speaker 2: to see the psychiatrist?
Speaker 1: No? No, Well I'm going to see them in January
Speaker 1: most probably or four weeks.
Speaker 2: So well, listen, you know, Ben, I you know I'm
Speaker 2: not a real thing. I'm a fucking douche in a
Speaker 2: in a in a shitty costume that I've been farting
Speaker 2: on the phone. But I want to say, I want
Speaker 2: to reiterate what I was saying to you, and I
Speaker 2: understand that, like you know, you have a you're just
Speaker 2: going through this ship that makes it hard to like
Speaker 2: take action and not like catastrophize everything that's going on.
Speaker 2: With you in your life. But I really do, like
Speaker 2: from an outside if it's if it's meaningful to you
Speaker 2: at all. From an outsider perspective, I think what you
Speaker 2: did was really smart. You learned a skill that you
Speaker 2: could now use to go apply. I'm sure that you
Speaker 2: have a computer screen with like fifteen different fucking monitors
Speaker 2: on it that you can do a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: jobs from. So why don't you go on the internet
Speaker 2: and find jobs or you know, I know you talked
Speaker 2: about Fiverr, you talked about upwork. Those are all great things.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you made a profile and you did this
Speaker 2: and you offered whatever services that you can provide with
Speaker 2: the knowledge that you learned over the past three years.
Speaker 2: But like, why don't you go within your means of
Speaker 2: whatever you can do while while navigating whatever is going
Speaker 2: on with your mental health right now? Like, see what
Speaker 2: options out there exist for you in the world before
Speaker 2: you know succumbing to this this defeat that the only
Speaker 2: thing that you can ever do with your life ever
Speaker 2: is get you know, yelled at by drunk French Canadian people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thanks for your advice, man.
Speaker 2: Okay, good do you do you? Does that? Do you feel.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about everything I just said?
Speaker 1: I feel I feel fine?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, good?
Speaker 1: No, thanks man? Thanks? Uh yeah you no bad? Of
Speaker 1: course it makes sense what you're saying, but I mean
Speaker 1: it's not something that's like so yeah, it's good to
Speaker 1: you know when because when you speak when you fail,
Speaker 1: like when you say things like they make sense as
Speaker 1: you say them sometimes. So just like just talking with you,
Speaker 1: like I realize somethings.
Speaker 2: So okay, good man, But you don't want.
Speaker 1: Though it's the first time I call, and I like,
Speaker 1: I've no moved for known you for like only two
Speaker 1: or three weeks, but like I watched your show every
Speaker 1: time I can, and you're fucking great. You're an inspiration actually,
Speaker 1: and I want to say, I'm gonna call you back
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna take you.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm down for I'm down for a follow
Speaker 2: up if you go, if you find another job, let
Speaker 2: me if you find another job or something happens, Okay,
Speaker 2: you call me back, let's talk. I want to know
Speaker 2: if there's an update, okay.
Speaker 1: Perfect, man?
Speaker 2: All right, Ben? Is the anything else? Okay? Is there
Speaker 2: anything else you want to say? All right?
Speaker 1: All right, just just be careful, you know, good, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't exists.
Speaker 2: All right, take care, Ben, thank you?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I gotta go to Montreal at some point. So wait,
Speaker 2: the government runs liquor stores. That's kind of interesting. I
Speaker 2: liked Ben. He was a cool guy. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I he's smart though, Like I said, he's smart because
Speaker 2: I've talked to We've talked to like, you know, mildly
Speaker 2: agoraphobic people on the on the podcast before, and like
Speaker 2: obviously people in like crazy, like depressive episodes, and you know,
Speaker 2: look for me when I'm in a crazy depressive episode.
Speaker 2: I don't learn how to code, I you know, go insane.
Speaker 2: I don't do anything productive. But he did something productive
Speaker 2: with his crazy time. He turned crazy time into crunch time.
Speaker 2: I was smart, and I hope it pays off for him.
Speaker 3: All from Scooby.
Speaker 2: Hello, what's up man?
Speaker 1: What's up? Ject is?
Speaker 2: This is Scooby? Yes, sir, what's going on? Scooby? How
Speaker 2: can I help you today?
Speaker 3: Nothing much, man, I was gonna talk about my experience
Speaker 3: in foster cure for the past ten years.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, how old are you now?
Speaker 3: Eighteen?
Speaker 2: Oh man? So you got to put there when you're eight?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, start wherever you want to start.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: So pretty much, I used to live with my dad
Speaker 3: and he used to get into arguments and ship with
Speaker 3: my step mom. Then I think child protective services came
Speaker 3: in the picture, do like welfare checks. They came up
Speaker 3: for my dad when he was smoking a joint and
Speaker 3: then fucking then taking me to my grandparents' crib and
Speaker 3: they took me to a shelter, and I started going
Speaker 3: to group homes and threw out those. That's when I
Speaker 3: started getting arrested and ship, hanging out with the wrong crowd,
Speaker 3: got introduced into some fucked up drugs and ship m hm.
Speaker 3: Moving a long run.
Speaker 2: So so they took you away from your parents when
Speaker 2: you were eight because your dad was smoking a joint
Speaker 2: or it was a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was mainly because of argument and ship and
Speaker 3: it wasn't like a household for her child. But the
Speaker 3: joint really add the cherry on top when they showed up.
Speaker 2: So did did you feel that way? Do you feel
Speaker 2: like it was a bad environment for you?
Speaker 3: Not really, But like nowadays, I don't really be talking
Speaker 3: to my dad because every time I like I see him,
Speaker 3: it's always like an argument or I end up getting
Speaker 3: arrested due to him like trying to aggravate me and
Speaker 3: just trying to uh just fuck me.
Speaker 2: So where are you at now?
Speaker 3: Stayed up by febo? So I stept rarely had a
Speaker 3: core order recently, like a month ago. I have to
Speaker 3: go to rehab for sixty days, so I'm going there
Speaker 3: on Monday.
Speaker 2: All right, Now, you said that you were into like
Speaker 2: drugs and doing all this other kind of stuff. Is
Speaker 2: that something you're still into?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I stopped all the hardcore shit. I'm just kind
Speaker 3: of doing like shrooms and like tree recently.
Speaker 2: All right, are you gonna go to college?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, actually I just gotta get my ged and
Speaker 3: then the foster care system paid for my college til
Speaker 3: twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Oh really, that's actually pretty cool.
Speaker 3: It's dope. They pay for the dormitory, they pay for everything,
Speaker 3: and they pay me to go to school too.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: So you don't have to go into any kind of
Speaker 2: do you don't have to pay a dying I.
Speaker 3: Don't have to pay shit, man, it's all free.
Speaker 2: Damn. I find there's definitely some seventeen year olds I'm
Speaker 2: about to call, So there's definitely some seventeen year olds,
Speaker 2: they're about to listen to this podcast and call social
Speaker 2: services on their parents.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna study?
Speaker 3: Most likely like computer engineering. But what I really want
Speaker 3: to do first is get like some trades in like HVAC, electrical, poet, welding.
Speaker 3: I can get that shit for free too, So if
Speaker 3: I don't succeed in college, I also have that to
Speaker 3: fall back on. M M. You just get my certifications?
Speaker 2: Are you excited?
Speaker 3: Not? Really? Because I have like severe social anxiety. I
Speaker 3: don't like talking to people like that.
Speaker 2: Why do you? Why do you not like talking to people.
Speaker 3: Due to like trauma and stuff. Like when I was
Speaker 3: a kid. When I was like when I was young,
Speaker 3: maybe ten years old, in a group home, like anytime
Speaker 3: I'll come out, because it was like predominantly like you know,
Speaker 3: black kids, staff is black whatever. I was like the
Speaker 3: only white boy, and the anytime I spoke, it would
Speaker 3: just be racial towards me, calling me like a cracker
Speaker 3: all that shit. So I just didn't really, you know,
Speaker 3: talk to people.
Speaker 2: I'm myself. Do you have any friends right now?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I have one good friend of mine that
Speaker 3: been hanging out with us since middle.
Speaker 2: School Okay, do are you are you are you close
Speaker 2: with them still?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. We started talking a lot more after
Speaker 3: our good friend passed away a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: and uh so we met up at his funeral and
Speaker 3: started talking again. We'll get together and then yeah, still
Speaker 3: talking to this day.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: We look out for each other and ship m hm.
Speaker 2: Hm hmm. So do you like now are you are
Speaker 2: you feeling anxiety about like going into a classroom setting
Speaker 2: and going to you're going to like traditional college, You're
Speaker 2: gonna go to like a university, whether you'll be in
Speaker 2: a door.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No. So what I'm doing is I live in
Speaker 3: South Florida. There's a place called Brower College, like a
Speaker 3: little community college. I'm gonna go there for two years.
Speaker 3: So that's like my gateway to go to FSU Florida State.
Speaker 2: Rad, Dude, Rad, I'm trying to think about anything that well,
Speaker 2: I mean, let's think. I'll think with you. Is there
Speaker 2: anything that you think would help you get over your
Speaker 2: social anxiety?
Speaker 3: I really don't know if I haven't really tried anything. Okay,
Speaker 3: And I think smoking you know, smoking pot doesn't really
Speaker 3: help you either.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's another thing I was going to say
Speaker 2: to you, is like, you know, weed affects everyone differently
Speaker 2: and like, but here's the thing. Both ends of the
Speaker 2: spectrum I don't think are good, right because for me
Speaker 2: and for a lot of other people, when you smoke
Speaker 2: a bunch of weed, you get in your head and
Speaker 2: that's the worst position to be socializing from, because you're
Speaker 2: overthinking everything you're saying, you're ever thinking everything the other
Speaker 2: person is saying, you're not being yourself, you're paranoid, you're
Speaker 2: you're shy, or it's just it's just it's just not good.
Speaker 2: But even if you were to tell me that, But
Speaker 2: if you were to tell me the opposite, even if
Speaker 2: you were to tell me that we made you feel
Speaker 2: more sociable and loose and whatever, that would still be
Speaker 2: bad because then you would, you know, develop some kind
Speaker 2: of system where like, oh, I have to get high
Speaker 2: in order to talk to people, and that's not good either.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you know, I I've noticed that when I'll
Speaker 6: do like mushrooms and shit, like it helps me like
Speaker 6: not fear weird, like it makes me I don't know,
Speaker 6: it makes me happy and joyful, like I can actually talk.
Speaker 3: To a little copy word about them judging me, and.
Speaker 2: Shit, how often are you doing mushrooms?
Speaker 3: I microdose like once every two or three days. So
Speaker 3: I'm just getting back, you know, into the hang of
Speaker 3: that shit. So not so I'll do it.
Speaker 1: M hm hm.
Speaker 2: So I assume you've been going to well, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get a rehab for sixty days. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go there for sixty days starting Mondays,
Speaker 3: so I'll be out in March.
Speaker 2: All right. Cool, How are you feeling about that?
Speaker 3: Feeling kind of good? I mean I told my friends
Speaker 3: and shit that I talked to you. Still, I'm about
Speaker 3: to do my plan is and I told them when
Speaker 3: I get out, I'm planning on being sober. Hopefully I'm
Speaker 3: not addicted to vapes no more. And I don't, you know,
Speaker 3: smoke me no more. Cool, I don't know, live the
Speaker 3: sober life.
Speaker 2: Cool man. Well, I good on you. You see, you
Speaker 2: have a really great perspective of all these things. It
Speaker 2: sounds like you didn't have like the best positions growing up,
Speaker 2: but you're making a lot of it for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, Child protect the Services really fucked up my childhood,
Speaker 3: but I made the best of it.
Speaker 2: Child Protector Services fuck up your childhood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when they are you.
Speaker 2: Are you more mad at them than at your parents?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I mean, no kid wants to Even though
Speaker 3: I had a shitty a household, I didn't want to
Speaker 3: get taken away from my dad because still that that
Speaker 3: is my father, that's my blood. I don't want to, like,
Speaker 3: you know, be raised without him. But yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: didn't live with my family. I was only got to
Speaker 3: visit them once every week, every two weeks if I'm lucky,
Speaker 3: for like an hour for visitation. And I was Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I was eight.
Speaker 2: You told me this already, but I was thinking about
Speaker 2: something else. What are you studying.
Speaker 3: Computer engineering? And for my age back electrical AC and plumbing.
Speaker 2: That's sick. That's some good that I like that. I
Speaker 2: like anything where you go to school, Like, if someone's
Speaker 2: gonna pay for you to go to school, dude, please,
Speaker 2: dear God, do something real. Oh yeah, can do something real.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying and I've talked about this on
Speaker 2: the fucking on here a billion times, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that the arts is not real, but like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: like it's going to college, paying a bunch, going to
Speaker 2: college for it is super not real. You know, like,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna spend all the time and money and
Speaker 2: effort to go to college, you know, get it in
Speaker 2: something that you have to go to college for. So yeah,
Speaker 2: good on you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And they also also cover like apartments, Like
Speaker 3: they pay half the rent. So I'll say, like, if
Speaker 3: it's like thirteen hundred, I'll pay like four hundred for rent.
Speaker 2: Well how do they? What's the whole deal is the
Speaker 2: foster system? Is that like a public tax funded thing?
Speaker 3: I think so? I mean I don't really know. I
Speaker 3: know they give you benefits for you know, putting to
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of bullshit through childhood. You're eighteen. That's
Speaker 3: like the way of saying, hey, hey, we're sorry, here's
Speaker 3: a uh, here's your own crib. You get to go
Speaker 3: to school for free if you really want to, you know,
Speaker 3: all these free services and shit. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And and even if you don't go to school, they
Speaker 3: give you like almost a fifteen hundred a month just
Speaker 3: because you were in foster care all those years. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great man. Well you know, what's your
Speaker 2: name again? Hold on, don't tell me, I'm gonna remember it.
Speaker 2: Fuck what's your name again, Scooby? Scooby, Okay, I feel
Speaker 2: like I should have remembered that. Where'd you get the
Speaker 2: name from?
Speaker 3: I liked watching Scooby Doo growing up, and I was like,
Speaker 3: my discord name and my fucking all my online games
Speaker 3: growing up?
Speaker 2: Is your friend named shag.
Speaker 3: I had a friend named Shaggy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He changed his using in to that for call Booty
Speaker 3: means and ship.
Speaker 2: You're h I think I'm not worried about you, Scooby.
Speaker 2: I think I think you're gonna do well. You gotta
Speaker 2: get ahead on your shoulders, keep keep doing what you're
Speaker 2: doing and trying to stay sober and trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: live life well for sure? Is there anything else you
Speaker 2: want to say to the people of the computer before
Speaker 2: we go?
Speaker 3: I hope all y'all have a good day or good night.
Speaker 2: Leak will ghek bless you.
Speaker 3: Man, have a good day.
Speaker 2: Take care man ah man. I liked Scooby. I was
Speaker 2: thinking when we were on the phone. I was like,
Speaker 2: am I and I'm too. I'm too I'm too deep
Speaker 2: in the game for these questions, or maybe I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm talking to Scooby and I'm like,
Speaker 2: am I is it bad that I'm I just tend
Speaker 2: to be a therapist, that I were doing fake therapy stuff,
Speaker 2: And I think about it, but I liked I liked
Speaker 2: talking to Scooby. That was an engaging conversation. It felt
Speaker 2: helpful for everyone involved. You know, I I, I know
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that fake therapy session. So whatever, I'll keep
Speaker 2: doing fake therapy until you know, something really bad happens.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you for calling. Scooby goes on the line,
Speaker 2: thinking your phone calls every night ever, goes to what
Speaker 2: and ide he's teaching
Speaker 6: You aloud in the memory line, but he's not really
Speaker 6: an expert.