1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon podcast. We have doctor Robert 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Malone with us today. He is a physician, a scientist, 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: a biochemist, and he was just selected to be the 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: one of the on the CDC Vaccine Advisory Board for 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Health and Human Services by Secretary RFK Junior. Welcome to 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: the program, doctor on Tutor. So, I've actually been wanting 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: to interview you for a long time because obviously your 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: story is somewhat unique in the fact that you are 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: one of the people who was really attacked over the 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: COVID vaccine and attacked in such a serious way that 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: people really tried to discredit your entire career. You were 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: removed from social media. What is it like now to 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: be in this position where you that has been restored, 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: your your research, everything has been restored, and you are 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: now in the position of getting to look at these 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: vaccines ahead of time. 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: Well, Tutor, just I think we may have scheduled this 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: before the ACIP announcement was made. I need to just 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: give the disclaimer. Number one, I'm not speaking on behalf 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: of the government in any way. Number two, I'm under 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: rather strict guidance from HHS to n CDC media management, people, 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: communications and press. Did not speak about ACIP and what's anticipated. 23 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: Okay, say that, okay. 24 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: In terms of my career, I was I'm in the 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: middle of writing an essay right now for today's substack. 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: It looks like I'm going to put one out and 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: Jill's going to put one out today. But my essay 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 2: today is focusing on the deeper meaning of miss dis 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: and malinformation. And I try to avoid going to my 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: Wikipedia page because it's usually a little pressing. 31 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm in that same situation. Actually, I know what you mean, 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: but I. 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: Noticed that there's been yet another major rewrite. They still 34 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: cite the New York Times article by Davy Alba in 35 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: which she makes a series of assertions that hardly are flattering, 36 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: that I've overstated my contributions. And just to recap, Davy 37 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: Alba was terminated by the New York Times immediately after. 38 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: That article is the last one she wrote, and she 39 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: was closely aligned with the CIA. She appears to be 40 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: somebody who was working at the New York Times under 41 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: government funding and it has very strong operation mockingbird tones. 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: Joe Gay Stolberg, the main health reporter from the New 43 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 2: York Times who I've known for literally actively distances herself 44 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: from that essay and from davy Alba. And when I 45 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: mentioned to her, because I run into her all the 46 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 2: time that that article is still being cited, she basically dissembles, 47 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: and she doesn't apologize for The New York Times, but 48 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: she says that they terminated davy Alba and she doesn't 49 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: represent the paper. So but this is still cited all 50 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: the time and used, in the case of the media 51 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: as a kind of an ongoing attempt to delegitimize me. 52 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: So it's not over the Since the nomination, there's been 53 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: a huge surge of efforts once again to delegitimize me 54 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: into question and to label me as a spreader of 55 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: misinformation and to nitpick the literally over fourteen hundred essays 56 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: I've written on substack and the hundreds and hundreds of 57 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: podcasts that I've given, going over those and trying to 58 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: find some little knit that they can weaponize. The one 59 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: in Wikipedia that the press is grabbing is that long ago, 60 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: before I was banned from Twitter, I reposted a video 61 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: montage of athletes suddenly having art attacks or dying on 62 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: the field, and I just unthinkingly just reposted this because 63 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: at the time there was a lot of denialism about 64 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: the myocarditis and the effects of the myocarditis, and a 65 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: lot of disinformation coming from the government about that, as 66 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: you'll call CDC and MS. And unfortunately, one of the 67 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: clips in that reel, which I did not err and 68 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: I didn't take the time to get pick every single 69 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: clip on the reel to make sure that it was real, 70 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: was a young young man who passed away on the 71 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: field before the COVID crisis, and the parents of that 72 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: young man, because I was prominent, decided to send me 73 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: a seasoned assist letter, and I was horrified. I immediately 74 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: deleted my repost and publicly apologized and also directly personally 75 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: apologized to parents for this. But that's now being weaponized 76 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: against me, and there's there's at least fourteen media my 77 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 2: wife calls Jill calls it dead media stories that are 78 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: in progress or have been published that seek to question 79 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: the integrity and objectivity of every single of the newly 80 00:05:52,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: appointed individuals to the Advisory Committee on Iimanization practices. It's 81 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: kind of you to say that I have been somehow 82 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: politically rehabilitated, but the truth is that they have with 83 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: this appointment, there's been a concerted attempt to once again 84 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: delegitimize me, question my integrity, my objectivity. I mean the 85 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: narrative that because I was the author of the main 86 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: expert witness report on the krailing at all whistleblower study, 87 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: a whistleblower case against Murk Vaccines for the mumps product, 88 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: is somehow considered to be an indication of my conflict 89 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: of interest in some way neutralizing or legitimizing all of 90 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: the major financial conflicts of interests that have occurred over 91 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: the course of the ACIP over the last fifteen or 92 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: twenty years. So, somehow me spending two years pouring through 93 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of documents that were obtained during discovery 94 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: from Merk and from another major vaccine manufacturer, and then 95 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: writing an objective report about that. It was then used 96 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: as the basis for a subsequent expert witness report by 97 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: a former FDA commissioner who was less knowledgeable about vaccines. Somehow, 98 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: that's a conflict of interest. But having directly been paid 99 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: and worked or being sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry is 100 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: not a conflict. I think that's the logic. 101 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you're talking about something that everybody goes 102 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: through when they go into I think especially a Trump administration. 103 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: We saw in twenty sixteen with people who went into 104 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. I don't remember this happening as severely 105 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: with any other Republican president, but there is a media 106 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: frenzy when anyone gets nominated to anything in this administration. 107 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: And it was certainly not the case when Joe Biden 108 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: was president. I mean, some of the people that were 109 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: at Health and Human Services and the one person had 110 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: to be fired because he was a thief, I mean, 111 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: and dressing as a woman and stealing women's. 112 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: Clothes widespread, barely competent. Yes, yeah, so, And by the way, 113 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: I'm I have the blessing of having support from many 114 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: influential conservatives, that many of whom live locally and then 115 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: have farms nearby, because this is how they escape DC 116 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: as they come down to this part of reg So, 117 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: and I had a really kind phone call yesterday. I'm 118 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: a very prominent conservative that has really been through the 119 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: ringer in the past, and I'm very aware that it's 120 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: likely that at some point in time I will be 121 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 2: subjected to lawfare. I don't mean to cast myself as 122 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: a victim, but I want it's I'm very aware that 123 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: by accepting this position, I'm signing up for years of 124 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: brief I'm doing it because, as I've said repeatedly, if 125 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: I'm asked to serve my country, I will do so 126 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: to the best of my ability. And it's not I 127 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: don't seek. As Sophia Carson's pointed out the other day 128 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: in her essay in The Brownstone also reposted our subs 129 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: dat I don't see this for power, or for money 130 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: or anything else. I'm doing it out of a sense 131 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: of public service and because my friend and colleague, Secretary Kennedy, 132 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 2: asked me to do so right. 133 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: And I think we all see that. I think we 134 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: all appreciate that. I think the important thing that people 135 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: are seeing, which I hate that it has to happen 136 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: this way, but what you just said that you're expecting 137 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: law fair. You are in a kind of unique situation 138 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: because they did go after you so hard in twenty 139 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: twenty and you weren't in an administration at that time. 140 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: You were literally just talking about your research. 141 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: One through twenty twenty five pretty much just never stopped 142 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: right exactly. 143 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: I think we've watched what happened to Elon Musk when 144 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: he went in and people saw that and went, wait 145 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: a minute, this guy was a guy on the left, 146 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: and then he became the enemy the minute he got 147 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: in there, and I do think that contributed to this 148 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: rift between he and the President a few weeks ago, 149 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: because it's so much pressure. I don't think people understand 150 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: the amount of pressure when you have the propaganda machine 151 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: against you. It is massive. 152 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: It's not just coming from the left. If you're active 153 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: on alternative media, let's call it, because calling it social 154 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: media is kind of too constraining as opposed to dead media, 155 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: which is what Jill likes to call the other side, 156 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: so as in dead men walking. So unfortunately, there are 157 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: many who have little sense of perspective who there's basically 158 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: if you well, what I'm getting at is that I'm 159 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: also getting attacked from people who I would have thought 160 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: would have been allies, or that we are on the 161 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: same side, as is Secretary Kennedy. A number of people 162 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: have called for his resignation. There are certain position influencers 163 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: that have built wide audiences by asserting that Secretary Kennedy 164 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: has broken his promises about immediately taking the MR and 165 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: a products off the market, which, by the way, I 166 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: did a deep analysis on what he said during the campaign. 167 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: He never made that promise. That's just more fake news. 168 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: But it's coming from people that assert that they're part 169 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: of the Maha base and they represent Moha moms and 170 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: you know, but meanwhile they're busy raising their social media profile. 171 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: So the much of this seems to be driven by envy. 172 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you are so right. I see it 173 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: on the state level, and I think in a certain situation, 174 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: having run for governor and having been attacked by people there, 175 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: there is this there's this movement to make social media 176 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: influencers or alternative media influencers push people in a certain 177 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: direction politically. And I think what you are saying is 178 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: such a valuable message. Right now. People get to a 179 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: point where they think that they have this power and 180 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: they start to eat their own and it happens on 181 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: both sides. 182 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, it so I you. I'm sure you don't 183 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: follow my sub stack religiously. But right after the election, 184 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: I've posted a couple of essays relating to populism and 185 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: the history of American populism and what the dangers were 186 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: and the lessons that we could learn from that The 187 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: history of American populism and populism in general has been 188 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: one of successive failures to implement actionable policy. And part 189 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: of the reason for this is that this kind of 190 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: division occurs. Another is because people that are involved in 191 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: populist movements are almost always outsiders, and so they don't 192 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: really understand the levers and gears and mechanics of governance. 193 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: And they do manage to get into positions of influence, 194 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: they tend to not be very effective. And I think 195 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: this is one of the remarkable things about Secretary Kennedy 196 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: is that how could anybody be prepared for running the 197 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: largest cabinet level organization in the United States government, which 198 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: makes it far bigger in terms of employees and budget 199 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: than most other governments. And Secretary Kennedy has had limited 200 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: experience in managing very large organizations. I would say essentially 201 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: no experience, as PhD is certainly not a very large 202 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: organization by comparison, and he was chairman of the board. 203 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: What he has is a long history as an attorney, 204 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: as a prosecuting attorney, taking on government and large businesses 205 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: in cases in particular involving environmental toxins and contaminants. And 206 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: what I see, because I do speak to him from 207 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: time to time, is somebody who has a very stued 208 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: sense of tactics and strategy, and he is growing, in 209 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: my opinion from what I'm observing, he's growing extremely rapidly 210 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: into this major leadership role. I mean, think about it, 211 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: you almost have two centers of power. There's a major one, 212 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: of course, with President Trump and his foreign policy actions. 213 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:32,359 Speaker 2: But Secretary Kennedy is a major force in American politics 214 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: and policy right now in his own domain, in way 215 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: much more than JD. Vance, who I think is also 216 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: quite brilliant. But Secretary Kennedy seems to be growing extremely 217 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: rapidly into the kind of operational leader that ATS has 218 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: never had. I've never had anybody like this that is 219 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: willing and able to take on these big issues that 220 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: are captured in the Make America Healthy Again agenda, which 221 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 2: by the way, is an acronym MAHA and a nomenclature 222 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: America Healthy Again. Did Bobby create created himself? This was 223 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: part of his campaign. 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We in our own family, 255 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: we've experienced some of the things that he was talking about. 256 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: And I think that that's where moms across the country 257 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: started to say, yeah, I've seen I mean in our classrooms, 258 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: I've seen kids that are morbidly obese, and I think 259 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: this is not what I grew up just what forty 260 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: years ago with kids that were didn't look like this. 261 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: You know why is there has to be something else. 262 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: But even my sister, her daughter, she was struggling with ticks, 263 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: and they said, you know what, We're going to take 264 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: away food dies. Her life completely changed. She was a 265 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: totally healthy kid without food dies. And yet the medical 266 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: community wanted to say, well, we're going to put this 267 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: on her, We're going to put this medication in, We're 268 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: going to do this. My sister said, no, there's something 269 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: in her environment that's causing this. And that's when I 270 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: start I, as a mom, started to say how many 271 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: chronic illnesses are we dealing with because of what we 272 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: are ingesting unknowingly ingesting. So I think a lot of 273 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: people have gotten on this. The food movement, for sure, 274 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: they feel very confident in saying we want to have 275 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: healthy foods. We don't want the government putting. 276 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: Winning bipartisan platform. I mean, just talking about raw politics. 277 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: It cuts across both parties, which is why it's soap 278 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: voting and why it may have played a key role 279 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: in swing states and why it's perceived as such a 280 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: political threat, particularly by the Democrat. 281 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, But vaccines, I think is a little bit different. 282 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: I think people don't know exactly where to land on vaccines. 283 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about mRNA because I keep 284 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: seeing that there are vaccines coming out for cancers. I'm 285 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: a breast cancer survivor. mRNA is something they talk about 286 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: for breast cancer a lot. I don't know the breakdown 287 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: of what is safe and what's not safe, and if 288 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: I should be worried, if I shouldn't be worried. I 289 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: was wondering if you could just give us a loadown 290 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: of what is it? Are there any Is there a 291 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: positive to the mRNA vaccines in general. 292 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: I'll come back to an interview I gave to a 293 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: German newspaper about a year and a half ago in 294 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: genevas I recall or. They asked a similar question. Their 295 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 2: question was could mRNA vaccines be made safe? And my 296 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: rather glib answer was, well, pigs could fly if theamily 297 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: had wings. We can speculate that this might be done, 298 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: or that might be done in order to mitigate the 299 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: risks that have become fairly clear. The issue with the 300 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: mRNA products that are on the market right now, which 301 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: are largely COVID products, is multifactorial. There are multiple sources 302 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: of toxicity and so to tease apart, could things be 303 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: made safe? And perhaps a better way to think about 304 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: it is not absolute safety, but relative safety compared to 305 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: the disease that is seemed treated. So to illustrate that 306 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: point in a very raw way. If I worked intimately 307 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: on the bolo vaccine, and this is something the media overlooks, 308 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: is that I actually brought the Public Health Agency Canada 309 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: slash new Link a bolo vaccine product to Mirk because 310 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: in my opinion at the time, I was a lead 311 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: consultant for new Link Genetics, which I had the rights they 312 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: bought it from Canada. That my opinion was that Merk 313 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: was in the best position to advance that product and 314 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: to get it to licensure and make it available. But 315 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: it is a nasty vaccine question. Post did a whole 316 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: essay early on, you know, multi page spread concerning somebody 317 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: that received the vaccine here domestically and they had all 318 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: kinds of joint pain and lammatory symptoms. It is it 319 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: is a recombinant vaccine based on the siculustmatitis virus, which 320 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 2: causes a lot of disease and humans when if they 321 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: get infected, and so it's it's a the slang in 322 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 2: the vaccine world, it's a hot vaccine. And if we 323 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: had in a bowla outbreak in the United States, I 324 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: guarantee people would be lined up around the block to 325 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 2: take that nasty piece of work, even though it would 326 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: make them very sick, because a bola is a absolute 327 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: horrid disease, and I can tell you in West Africa, 328 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: as the outbreak was developing, I was at the WHO 329 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: a number of times and listening to people public health 330 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: officials from the front lines describe the absolute madness that 331 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: a bola will cause in crowds and populations. It's a 332 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: scary disease, so nasty vaccine, lots of side effects. You 333 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: wouldn't take it if you weren't at risk, and if 334 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: you were at risk, you would gladly line up for it. 335 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: Similar to yellow fever. Yellow fever vaccine is a live 336 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: attenuated vaccine that is so closely related to the actual 337 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: yellow fever virus it's it's derived from that if you 338 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: take too many doses of the yellow fever vaccine, you 339 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: will get yellow fever and be at a high risk 340 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: of dying. So these things exist and they have their 341 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 2: use likewise in cancer. And I'm sorry to hear of 342 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: your story. I hope that you're remain negative, uh, thank you, 343 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: And I hope that you've got appropriate treatment and were overtreated. 344 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: But you know that you had a certain risk profile 345 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: based on your genetics and the presentation of your disease, 346 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: and you were informed of that, and you were told 347 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: that you have thusn't such a risk of surviving or death. 348 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: And if you took this whatever, and I don't want 349 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: to know. Whatever the treatment was that you took, it 350 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: had risks associated with also, and you were basically put 351 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: in a position of fully informed consent, I hope, I infer, 352 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: in which you were the risks associated with the treatment 353 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: were explained to you, including the long term risks if 354 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: there was chemotherapy to develop subsequent marrow cancers or other things. 355 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: And you chose to accept whatever the treatment was that 356 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: you selected, and we don't need to know about it's 357 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: your personal business because you thought the risk benefit was accepted. 358 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: So likewise, and this is the case with cancer, you 359 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: already have a disease, and the disease at the stage 360 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: that it's identified has some statistical parameters around it having 361 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 2: to do with your risk and life expectancy and outcomes. 362 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: So then it's easy to do a risk benefit calculation, 363 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: relatively speaking, when you have an existing disease. When somebody 364 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: is not yet disease but they are at potential risk 365 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: for acquiring a disease at some point in the future. 366 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: It's generally agreed upon that the ethics of that are 367 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: such that the intervention, because you're intervening to a patient 368 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: that doesn't have disease, okay, in the prospect that they 369 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: may or may not get the disease at some point 370 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: in time. That means that in some cases, maybe the 371 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: majority of cases, you're going to subject that patient to risk. 372 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 2: Because all drugs have risk, all vac risk, water has 373 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 2: risk in sufficient doses. Okay, So you're going to subject 374 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: that patient to risk at a point in time when 375 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: they don't actually have any direct benefit. They're not at 376 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 2: risk for a disease. They haven't developed a disease, I 377 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: should say, and so they're not at risk for the 378 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: outcomes of that disease, and yet you're going to give 379 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: them something. Is why vaccines traditionally have had to be 380 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: meeting a much higher safety criteria, or at least they should. 381 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: That's the logic. So let me ask you about back 382 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 2: RNA vaccines. 383 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: So let me ask you about the COVID vaccine because 384 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: I well, I have a specific question about it because 385 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: the people that I know, the women that I know 386 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: who took it had immediate and immediate impact on their. 387 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: Menstrual, psychoacilarities of nothing else. It was. 388 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: It was not good. And I have four daughters. I 389 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: said no. Every time I take them to the pediatrician, 390 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: they say they're due for their COVID vaccine, and every 391 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: time I have to say, they're not getting it. 392 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: You're lucky you still have a pediatrician. 393 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 1: Why is that not a thing. 394 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: Anywhere pediatricians have been firing patients that don't Oh. 395 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: Yes, I know. That's actually what I have been afraid 396 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: of is that they're going to kick us out. And 397 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: in Western Michigan there's not that many doctors. I mean, 398 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: our healthcare system took such a hit after what they 399 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: did with COVID and shutting everything down, and we do. 400 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: We go in there and every time they say, I mean, 401 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: it's so bizarre. Let me tell you what. 402 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: I'll see a classic example of someone that I specifically 403 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: talk about with deep empathy that the and I'll consider 404 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: you a young parent. You have three daughters currently in 405 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: pediatric age range. I'm an old parent. My kids are 406 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: married and Lloyd and so we're in a different time 407 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: of our life. But you're still in that position where 408 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: you're faced with this dilemma, which is even more severe 409 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: for the new parents. They're the ones that I particularly, 410 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: my heart goes out to because they're now in a 411 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: position where, if they have their eyes open, they often 412 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: feel they can no longer rely on on the government 413 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: to uh be a purveyor of truth. And yet they 414 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: are not medically educated, and so they have this this 415 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: fundamental dilemma, which is you either if you if you UH, 416 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: you can accept the government's recommendation that's the a c 417 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: I P recommendations childhood, theatric schedule that has become a 418 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: standard of care because of the a CIP all across 419 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 2: the nation, and UH you can accept that and UH, 420 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: if your eyes are open, you if your child uh. 421 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: You know, there's a clear correlation from what I'm seeing 422 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: AH in sudden different death syndrome in the short period 423 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: of time after receiving pediatric vaccines in this young infant. 424 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 2: And there is some I don't know how much, but 425 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: because we don't really have the data very clearly, there's 426 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: some risk that your child may develop a post vaccination 427 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: syndrome that might include central nervous system information or go 428 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: brain swelling and damage. So if you accept the government 429 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: recommendations and your child develops one of these syndromes, then 430 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: you're at risk for destroying your marriage in your family 431 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: because of the psychological And yet if you decide to 432 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: go independent and create your own vaccine schedule, delay early vaccination, 433 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: choose as a Chinese menu, I'm going to not do 434 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: tetanus or appetitist, whatever the things are. Our human papillomavirus 435 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: is often. 436 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: We have also about out of that one, and that 437 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: one was one I got last week that they're due 438 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: for this right now. Your twins are due for this 439 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: right now. I'm like, they're not getting that. 440 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. So then if your child were to develop cervical 441 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: cancer or in males, cancer the throat in particular that's 442 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: associated with human papillomavirus, then you hate yourself for that. 443 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: So you're you're in this logic trap where at some frequency, 444 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: no matter what you choose, you're at risk or heavy 445 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: personal psychological burden that you have failed as a parent. 446 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: And it's just it's almost intolerable. It's it's heartbreaking that 447 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: when I get these calls from young parents, and then 448 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: there's the reproductive tract issues associated with women in particular, 449 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: and I think the male impact may be relatively silent 450 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: because men don't bleed, but men also have a lot 451 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: of highly vascular tissue in their reproductive organs, choosing my words, 452 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 2: so that is also at risk. And certainly the placenta 453 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: and the uterine placenta junction and the role of the 454 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: placenta in oxygen and nutrient transfer. When you have an 455 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: agent that triggers coagulopathy is a problem. So unpack the RNA. 456 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: RNA the covid products has take to call them vaccines 457 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: are expressing a protein called spike, and that protein is 458 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: highly toxic. Now there's another thing that Wikipedia tacks me 459 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 2: for for spreading misinformation, But the data are quite clear 460 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 2: that the spike protein of stars Kobe two, and particularly 461 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 2: the engineered spike protein that's in the vaccines because it's 462 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 2: not even the natural is associated with not only mildcarditis, 463 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: but coagulopathy, which is a fancy way of saying blood 464 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 2: clots and strokes and infarcs in your brain. That's where 465 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 2: blood vessels clot off or a clot gets thrown into 466 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: your brain and blocks of blood vests and All of 467 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: these things are life threatening and it's also associated with 468 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: microvascular coagulation, and that's what gets these highly vascular organs 469 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: like the uterus was sent up. Oh, spike protein is 470 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: a toxin. I'm sorry, Wikipedia, but data are overwhelming of 471 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: that it causes toxicity. Therefore, it is a toxic and 472 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: it is produced up to seven hundred days after inoculation. 473 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 2: According to a recent Diversity student, it stays in your 474 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 2: body long time and part of that may be long 475 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: term production. And that's the lead into the next key issue. 476 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 2: These are not natural RNAs. Not only are they g therapy. 477 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: And I think that I as the person that wrote 478 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 2: the first invention disclosures about this and realized that RNA 479 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: can be used as a drug and its leadingation would 480 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: be as a vaccine before anybody else did whatever you 481 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: want to say. Yes, there were many people that added 482 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: things afterwards, but I would the first and kind of 483 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: broke this concept. But I was focused on using as 484 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 2: natural an RNA as possible because RNA gets degraded very rapidly, 485 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: and so the logic was with this type of a 486 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 2: gene therapy approach as opposed to addicialance. If there was 487 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: a toxicity another, like with any drug, the product, the 488 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: drug product mRNA would degrade very rapidly and then the 489 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: position or treating person could decide not to redose it. 490 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 2: That all got thrown out the door when Kurrico and Weissman, 491 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: a decade after I did my work, came in and 492 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 2: used the new emerging science of pseudouridine to generate synthetic 493 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 2: RNAs that were very different from natural rn persist in 494 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 2: your body for very time, and they're very hard to degrade, 495 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 2: and they suppress immune response. That's why they included it pseudourdine. 496 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 2: And now we don't use the in the products. The 497 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: pseudouridine that's in there is not even natural pseudo urine, 498 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 2: which wouldn't be present in place of all the use 499 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 2: in an RNA molecule anyhow, but it is a synthetic 500 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: one that makes those issues even stronger, more prominent. So 501 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 2: the pseudouridine UH makes this kind of a sorry loaded 502 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: words Frankenstein model. It's not arn It's a synthetic chemical 503 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: product that can be used to produce protein, but it 504 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 2: is not a messengers made body. So there's the pseudouridine. 505 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 2: There's a bunch of baggage. Way, then there's the lipids 506 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 2: that are used to deliver the rony is that the 507 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 2: only way to deliver RNA. No, there are other ways 508 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 2: that you can deliver, but that happens to be the 509 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: one that is currently used in all these products. And 510 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 2: those back complexes that include these RNA and by the way, 511 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 2: DNA fragments which are highly recomogenic that are a product 512 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 2: of crappy clarification process process number two that involves plasmids 513 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: and plasmiation, which is essentially the original process that I developed, 514 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 2: but they didn't get the purification I had to be 515 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 2: obsessive about theation back then. So those complexes also have 516 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 2: direct toxicity. They cross the blood burned barrier, they trigger information, 517 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 2: extremely grow inflammatory. This is why I abandoned the technology 518 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 2: in the nineties and moved onto other delivery systems. So 519 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: can these be made non toxic? Well, there are ways 520 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 2: that one might use a for instance, a more natural 521 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 2: RNA that didn't have the suit of. You don't need 522 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 2: the suit of it's just a convenient patent in some ways. 523 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 2: The company called CureVac that was competing for these vaccines 524 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: that was funded by a gentleman you've heard of before, 525 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 2: and Elon Musk demonstrated with their clinical trials that dose 526 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 2: for dose, they actually got an equivalent immune response to 527 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 2: what you got with the pseudore But the difference was 528 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 2: that Madernauz and Biointech used a much higher dose than 529 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 2: their initial clinical trials, and so they got more antibodies. 530 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 2: They also got more toxicity. But the press totally zoomed 531 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 2: in on more antibodies, more antibodies, not you know, there's 532 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 2: no proof that those antibodies are therapeutic or proplectic. But 533 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 2: that's what happened, was basically a propaganda campaign. And because 534 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 2: Urevack did science the right way, uh and was doing 535 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 2: a more measured dose response approach to define what the 536 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 2: right dose was as opposed to and I have this 537 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 2: on good authority, you know kind of guys, let's have 538 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: a committee meeting and decide what dose we should use 539 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: and that and they split the difference between a large 540 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 2: part of the government people involved in that committee wanted 541 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 2: a much higher dose, some wanted a lower dose. They 542 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 2: split the difference and that was the dose that was 543 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: used in Maderna. So that's not good science, but that 544 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 2: they did. So you don't need to have sidu yerdine, 545 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 2: you don't need to have cat and eclipids uh, and you 546 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 2: certainly don't need to use the intact toxic spike protein, 547 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 2: which is why the new maderna what do they call it, 548 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 2: next spike or something like that, has a subunit fragment 549 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: of the spike but not the hollow protein. It's basically 550 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 2: a tacit admission that they screwed up in using the 551 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 2: total spike protein. So those things can all be addressed, 552 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 2: and so in a cancer vaccine, which, by the way, 553 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 2: cancer vaccines I've seen come and go entire career even 554 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 2: before them. My mentor, Murray Gardner, he founded the USC 555 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 2: Cancer Center, and Murray used to tell the story that 556 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,959 Speaker 2: at the USC Cancer Center they would make custom vaccines 557 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 2: using Prouin's or modified Frouin's adjuvants, which is what you 558 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 2: use for animal experimentation, superinflammatory, and they had a I'm 559 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: going to say some things that might offend some people, 560 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 2: so I'm ready there there is a cohort. The USC 561 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 2: Cancer Center would serve support of Hollywood actors, in particular 562 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 2: at the time the sixties and early seventies that would 563 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:18,760 Speaker 2: develop rectal cancer. And one of the things that Murray 564 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 2: would do as the founder of that cancer center is 565 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 2: he would take biopsy samples of those cancers, formulate him 566 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 2: with adjuvate, reinject him into those guys, and in some 567 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 2: fraction of those people they would have a regression of 568 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 2: that lesion. So the point is cancer vaccines have been 569 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 2: around for a very very long time, and in general, 570 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 2: just like Murray observed, some people respond in most people don't, 571 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 2: and so it depends on the tech. It's gotten a 572 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 2: little bit better. But this idea that was floated on 573 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 2: day two of the Trump presidency that we're going to 574 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 2: create this massive artificial intelligence machine and it's going to 575 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 2: enable customized cancer mRNA vaccines is just a sales job 576 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 2: that the science isn't there. It was resoundingly criticized by 577 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 2: everybody virtually in the cancer vaccine space. And let's hope 578 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 2: that they can solve the problems of cancer vaccines. But 579 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,959 Speaker 2: the truth is that by the you know, we're all 580 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 2: having cancer develop on a regular basis. I was trained 581 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 2: in taught mythology for many years, and one of the 582 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 2: clinical saws was if males live long enough, they will 583 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 2: die with prostate cancer. That doesn't mean the prostate cancer 584 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 2: will kill them. But if you do an autopsy and 585 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 2: you section the prostate, you will find cancer there. And 586 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 2: the point is that cancer is constantly being resisted by 587 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: our immune system. So a case can be made that 588 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 2: in your case or others. I don't know about your 589 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 2: specific case, and I don't want to personalize it, but 590 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 2: just using in your case, there was a failure of 591 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 2: the ability of your immune system to clear those cancer 592 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 2: cells early on, and that means that the cancer cells 593 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: are able to evolve under the pressure of your immune 594 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 2: system to escape your immune system. Once they do that, 595 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 2: then the opportunity to tweak your immune system to recognize 596 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 2: and kill those cancer cells, which is part of its 597 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 2: normal job, is less and less feasible, and so the thinking. Frankly, this, 598 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 2: in my opinion, this gets to one of the core 599 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 2: you call it naivete or you can call it arrogance, 600 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 2: that we as physicians and scientists believe that we're gonna 601 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 2: we're so brilliant to all our new tech and genomic sequencing, 602 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 2: that we can best the natural evolved system of community 603 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 2: by just you know, turning up the style and turning 604 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,479 Speaker 2: down that nile is name, and time has proven that 605 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:46,439 Speaker 2: to be the case, unfortunately, and so I if if 606 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 2: AI is to be used in this space, I think 607 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 2: that the logic that, oh, we can just sequence somebody's 608 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 2: genome or their cancer cells and figure out the special 609 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 2: tweak that we have to do, and then administer that 610 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 2: special tweak as an RNA vaccine is grossly naive. Taking 611 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 2: artificial intelligence and applying it to the bigger problems of 612 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 2: this very complex interplay between cancer evolution and the adaptive 613 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 2: immune system, particularly the cellular immune system, that I think 614 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 2: has a lot of merit. And if the announcement had 615 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 2: been that we're going to take this new fantastic artificial 616 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 2: intelligence supercomputer capability and apply it to trying to discern 617 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 2: how these forces interact in a very complex way, I 618 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 2: would have said, imen, that's great. But the idea that 619 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 2: we're going to have customized mRNA vaccines for cancer after 620 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 2: decades of failure using more traditional vaccine technology, I'll love 621 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 2: believe it when I see it. 622 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so don't get my hopes up for that. I 623 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,240 Speaker 1: got it. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue 624 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. One thing that I 625 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: do want to end on. You mentioned that these COVID vaccines, 626 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: some of these spike proteins can be in your system 627 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: for over seven hundred days. I think that's the. 628 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 2: Yale University pyramids, So I'm not that's not misinformation. 629 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: So I'm asked quite often what do I do if 630 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: I took it? How do I cleanse my system? How 631 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: do I get the toxins out? Is your system doing 632 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: that after seven hundred days or do we need to 633 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: do something else? 634 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 2: So great question. And I have certain peers that lead 635 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 2: companies that taut that they have a solution, and that 636 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 2: that company in particular is grossing on hold by one 637 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 2: of the major stockholders seven million a month plus I'm 638 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 2: selling kits and spike a theoretical SPIKEE therapies and that 639 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 2: are not clinically proven, and that company will eventually be 640 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 2: held to account. It's already been held to account because 641 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 2: it was trying to market a GLP one that was 642 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,840 Speaker 2: in fringship on that in the state of very large 643 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 2: from So so I wish that I could tell you 644 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 2: this that other thing. The I was perhaps one of 645 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 2: the first to popularize the idea that Nato Kaines, which 646 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 2: has been shown in the test to two break down 647 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,320 Speaker 2: protein and also break down some of these highly resistant 648 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 2: thoughts may have value. And natokinase is derived from the 649 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 2: other day I I a couple of months ago, I 650 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 2: went to Tokyo or a rallies protesting and self replicating Urna baccy, 651 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 2: and I got to encounter nato. I've never seen them before. 652 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 2: Nato is a nasty fermentation product. It smells horrid and 653 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:38,280 Speaker 2: the Chinese eat for breakfast, bless their hearts. And nato 654 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 2: kinase is derived from NATO, so it's a natural product 655 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,919 Speaker 2: and it is poorly bioavailable. That's a fancy way of saying. 656 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,399 Speaker 2: You can take a pill and it will actually get 657 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 2: into your body, and it can You can achieve levels 658 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 2: of nato kinase in your body by taking these pills 659 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 2: that are effective in breaking down spike protein. And some 660 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 2: of these cloths these very resistant claus so it's a 661 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 2: reasonable assumption that they may be Natokinase may be therapeust 662 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 2: peutically effective, and natokinase being a natural product, is falls 663 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,359 Speaker 2: under a different regulatory category in FDA. So so long 664 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 2: as you don't make a claim that it's going to 665 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,799 Speaker 2: do this that I sell natokinase, and I used to 666 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 2: take it all the time. You can buy it from 667 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 2: Amazon as natokinase. They don't make any claims about what 668 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 2: it's good for. They just say this is, you know, 669 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 2: USB grade pharmaceutically, you're in natokinase, and buyer beware. So 670 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 2: that the problem with natokinase has been learned is that 671 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 2: in particular, if you are on bloods and you take natokiness, 672 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 2: it's basically also a blood then and so you can 673 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 2: find yourself having wet strokes as opposed to dry strokes, 674 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 2: conclusion or spotting. You can have vascular leakage and hemorrhage 675 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 2: and in a variety of ways including the lisa which 676 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 2: is I don't want bile accident. So and you can 677 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:35,880 Speaker 2: have a reference spleen cetera. Soap you if you're going 678 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 2: to use nato kindness as a supplement, really, if you 679 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 2: are somebody who is using blood dinners or at risk 680 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 2: of a bleeding, you really need to inform your doc 681 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,320 Speaker 2: and suggested. There are other things that people are talking about. 682 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 2: And problem with it is the risk to the buyer, 683 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 2: to the average person, even to me, is that you 684 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 2: read about this fantastic claim. Often the person making the 685 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 2: claim has some sort of a conflict of interest. They're 686 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 2: either marketing the product or they're trying to elevate their 687 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,320 Speaker 2: social media positions so they get more flicks like swallows, 688 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 2: and that's monetized, etcetera. So you have to be cautious 689 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 2: about these things. And that is technically why the FDA 690 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 2: was created, was to ensure initially that products were pure 691 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 2: and had the activity that they were being marketed as having. Originally, 692 00:52:53,680 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 2: the FDA didn't provide assurance that products were effective. That 693 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 2: was outside that was added here. Initially, it was just 694 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:11,840 Speaker 2: about purity and identity. And so there are organizations that 695 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,800 Speaker 2: test these nutraceuticals that you know, whether you're buying vitamin 696 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 2: C or vitamin D or natokinase or or whatever the 697 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 2: latest thing is. And I take a handful twice a 698 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:30,320 Speaker 2: day from my wife, but you do need to ensure 699 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 2: that they're pure. So that's what I can say about 700 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 2: the clearance of the spike. Now, in theory, the antibodies 701 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 2: that you raise should be resulting in these things being 702 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,879 Speaker 2: cleared in spleen in particular and in liver. But if 703 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 2: the spike protein is glommed onto by antibodies, it can't 704 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 2: really be filtered out of the kidney, so you're not 705 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 2: going to pass it urine. And if it's resistant to degradation, 706 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,919 Speaker 2: but it's coded with antibodies, it doesn't get you where 707 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 2: you need to go. You know. It's if it's resistant 708 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 2: to cleavage, it can't be broken down and then you 709 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 2: can't excrete the subunits and hence the concern that Yale 710 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 2: is detecting it seven hundred days after struction. 711 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, this has been fascinating. Like I said, I've 712 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,919 Speaker 1: been wanting to talk to you for a very long time, 713 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you coming on the program today, Doctor 714 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: Robert Malone. Thank you. 715 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks. I hope what I've said has been. 716 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,360 Speaker 1: Helpful, very helpful, and we will be praying that you 717 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,959 Speaker 1: don't experience law fair. I'm hoping that we can start 718 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: to push back on some of this and people will 719 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:49,280 Speaker 1: see but as you said, I don't have any hopes 720 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,840 Speaker 1: that that's the case because I know how this goes 721 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,319 Speaker 1: with people. But I appreciate the fact that I really 722 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 1: like what you said about if you called to serve 723 00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: you will I appreciate that. 724 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,279 Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, thank you, thank you, and. 725 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,640 Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast 726 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 1: for this episode and others. You can go to the 727 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,400 Speaker 1: Tutordison podcast dot com, iHeartRadio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 728 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, and you can check out the 729 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,279 Speaker 1: full video on Rumble on YouTube at Tutor Dixon. Join 730 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,720 Speaker 1: us next time and have a blessed day.