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Speaker 1: Welcome in all you Faithfuls and Traders to another episode

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Speaker 1: of By Order of the Faithfuls. But today we will

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Speaker 1: not be talking about.

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Speaker 2: The show Traders.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about well, one of the iconic

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Speaker 1: reality TV shows of the last thirty years. That's right,

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Speaker 1: we will be recapping season fifty of Survivor, where the

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Speaker 1: fans have decided what's going to be going on this season.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun. Dolores and I

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Speaker 1: will be walking you through every single episode. But I

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Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you. I'm very excited as someone

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Speaker 1: who works in reality TV and kind of knows the

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Speaker 1: juggernauts of the shows we have on our show today.

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Speaker 1: Arguably the first big reality TV star in Richard Hatch.

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Speaker 1: He was a first ever Survivor when you're earning the

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Speaker 1: title Soul Survivor in Survivor Borneo, he that are competed

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Speaker 1: on Survivor All Stars as well. While known for his

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Speaker 1: arrogance and well a lot of nudity and remarkable phishing skills,

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Speaker 1: Richard is best known for creating the series first ever alliance,

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Speaker 1: which helped define Survivor gameplay as the strategy became a

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Speaker 1: template for how the game we played. In subsequent years,

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Speaker 1: he is now a pop culture icon, being referenced in

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Speaker 1: the newest season of Hulu's Paradise. We're talking about that

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Speaker 1: in just a bit, but please welcome to, by order

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Speaker 1: of the Faithful's Survivor edition, Richard Hatch.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Richard, Hi, the Lord sweetheart. How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm well, thanks, I've watched you for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Ah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Wait, Richard, are you not familiar with my work? How

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Speaker 1: else is hurtful? Thank you so much for conan on

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Speaker 1: the show. You are, you know, a legend in reality TV,

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Speaker 1: so much so that I don't know Richard, if you

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Speaker 1: saw this, but there's a show on Hulu that I'm

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Speaker 1: obsessed with called Paradise. Not Bachelor in Paradise, uh, just Paradise.

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Speaker 1: And you are referenced in this show. And I have

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Speaker 1: actually this script here. It says Geier says, so let's

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Speaker 1: not make it make it out like you were Richard

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Speaker 1: Hatch or something. Richard Hatches dot dot dot Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know he won the first season or Survivor chef saying,

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Speaker 1: oh you're saying nice.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's.

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Speaker 1: Pretty cool that like you were that much part of

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Speaker 1: the reality TV ze.

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Speaker 3: Guys Still Being Awesome season season two, episode one.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen it yet because I'm still on season one. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I love Paradise, but uh, I'll get there. But boy

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Speaker 4: have I've been getting a lot of notifications that they

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Speaker 4: referenced me.

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Speaker 2: Ah well, that the show is so good.

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Speaker 1: And when I I was watching the first three episodes

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Speaker 1: right when it came out, so I'm obsessed with it.

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Speaker 1: And I saw that and I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be on the show. This is

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Speaker 1: this is amazing, and it's it's it's got to feel

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Speaker 1: very cool. And so when you when you do get

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Speaker 1: to that point, d m us and tell us how

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's fun when when things like that pop up,

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Speaker 4: or on Jeopardy. Yeah, I pop on Jeopardy every now

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Speaker 4: and then what.

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Speaker 3: You've experienced to be the first of so many seasons

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Speaker 3: and it's like it's like a whole phenomenon a culture.

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Speaker 3: It's do you think it's kind of like what Traders

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Speaker 3: is becoming now or what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So, I mean we were the first on any

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Speaker 4: major network, the first what they call reality show, unscripted drama,

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Speaker 4: and everything kind of arose from that. There were some

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Speaker 4: so this was the first My season was seventy four million,

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Speaker 4: seventy two million viewers.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy. I mean the reference I want to let

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Speaker 3: you know, like numbers those crazy. I think the highest

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Speaker 3: Now we're getting like to to and change two to

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Speaker 4: A crazy phenomenon. But it's been a wild, wild ride.

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Speaker 4: And the game itself Survivor that we'll be talking about

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Speaker 4: is awesome. You know the people behind the scenes, we

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Speaker 3: We want to go there. Oh, no, Red Shirt, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it's they're pretty awful. So Lauris,

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Speaker 4: when the hell am I going to be on Traders?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: You should have been already.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is made for me.

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Speaker 2: Richard.

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Speaker 3: You you will be on Wells, don't you think so?

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Speaker 1: Dina CAATs, if you're listening to this, who does the

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Richard, I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like if I was in in that roundtable, i'd want

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Speaker 1: to get you out because you would scare me in

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Speaker 1: that show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're not there in person, and I haven't.

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Speaker 4: I haven't, I haven't wielded my wiles yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that maybe, you know, I think that you would

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Speaker 4: You know, they were lots of people waste approach it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it is.

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Speaker 3: A different game. Though, it is a different game, so

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Speaker 3: it's nice. I'd like to see you there.

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Speaker 4: It's a fun game. Thanks. Yeah, I look forward to it, hopefully.

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Speaker 1: I would just I mean, you know, so much of

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Speaker 1: Traders is about like the style and the fashions, and

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Speaker 1: So I decided to see, like what you'd be. You'd

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Speaker 4: Well, the microphone in that in the buff, in that buff,

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Speaker 4: that thing we had to wear.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about let's talk about Survivor.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, on the first season, you know, the show was

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Speaker 1: much different. I'm wondering what your opinion is now with

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Speaker 1: away from its intended theme. Do you think that these

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Speaker 1: What's your thoughts just overall with the survivor landscape.

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Speaker 4: So I've got a big couple of big thoughts with

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Speaker 4: respect to that. So people often ask me about comparing seasons,

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Speaker 4: and the truth is it doesn't matter. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 4: but every person who goes out there and who hasn't

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Speaker 4: comparing it to another one. And it's hard as hell.

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Speaker 4: You know, rats get caught in women's hair and the

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Speaker 4: bugs are biting them, Dolorus. You just keep telling yourself

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Speaker 4: it's a million bucks, it's a million bucks. You just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, Jesus God, oh no food.

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't care about these people. You got

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a very very tough game. So I

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Speaker 4: tend not to compare the two, like, hey, my season

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Speaker 4: compared to what's happening now, But there are things happening

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Speaker 4: the game. I think like last night's season, for example,

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Speaker 4: all that stuff with Kyle, you know, fifty seasons and

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Speaker 4: they're still crying and oh, you go ahead and you

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Speaker 4: all win and I want you guys to do this

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Speaker 4: and I love you, and oh, shut the hell up.

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Speaker 4: You just met these people three days ago. What the

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Speaker 4: hell are you talking about? And that's what people get.

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Speaker 4: It's so hard. You get out there and you start

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Speaker 4: relying on these other people. You lose sight of focus.

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Speaker 4: Even these people who played the game before aren't playing well.

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Speaker 3: So you can't say, Richard, you can't be soft.

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Speaker 4: Well you can, I'm soft, I'm sentimental.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, you know, because we've

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Speaker 2: So I feel like.

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Speaker 1: People maybe didn't know how to go about doing reality TV.

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Speaker 1: But now we're fifty seasons in the Survivor. I've done,

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Speaker 1: wonder if the thing that annoys you about, like the

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Speaker 1: Kyle of it all where everyone's crying. They've known each

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're trying to not die and you still

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Speaker 4: But I still I would give them credit. For example,

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Speaker 4: what about you last night? That wasn't intentional. Those people

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Speaker 4: many instances it was all about you know, how about coach?

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Speaker 4: You know, and they're getting upset about this and angry

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Speaker 3: No, he just want it.

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Speaker 4: He just want it, you know, And what's he supposed

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Speaker 4: You go. If you knock it off, I'll let you

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering who you're rooting for in this season, Rich, So.

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Speaker 4: I don't tend. I tend not to do that. Well,

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Speaker 4: So I don't want to. I don't want to focus

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Speaker 4: I want you to win. I want to see who

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Speaker 4: plays best. I oftentimes I know them all now, but

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Speaker 4: oftentimes I don't know the names until after the merge

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Speaker 4: get rid of a lot of them. There's too many

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Speaker 4: to follow, and this time twenty four. So for me,

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Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily rooting for somebody particular. But for example,

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Speaker 4: Kyle and Camilla I think have played a better game

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Speaker 4: And so Kyle's gone now, and I've got to watch

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Speaker 4: and root a little bit for Camilla because I think

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Speaker 4: they get it even fifty seasons in so few people

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Speaker 4: get out with outlast outplay, use it focus, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I think Camilla, to me is underestimated very much.

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Speaker 4: So for sure, you know, And and you would think

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Speaker 4: to watch how she played with Kyle in her season,

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Speaker 4: But they're not her.

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Speaker 3: Still, Yeah, this is the difference between Traders. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to tell you, we don't know who's coming, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of us don't know the hit history behind the person.

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Speaker 3: I would have been a much different player had I

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Speaker 3: Thank god I didn't because I wasn't. But outside of that,

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Speaker 3: I would have played different, you know what, Like I

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Speaker 4: Dolorus. I walked into House of Villains last year. I

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Speaker 4: didn't know New York. I'd never seen I've never seen it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after hearing you know your history and your story.

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Speaker 4: Attempted to attempted to evade taxes on the million dollar

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Speaker 1: I love that there's a bunch of heterosexual guys that

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Speaker 2: It just kind of pisses me off a little bit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rich, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. How to go through that?

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Speaker 4: Thanks? You know, like life with everybody, we have our

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Speaker 2: But and so is that all behind you now?

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Speaker 4: They're still They're now trying to steal my sister's home

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Speaker 3: In where it is. Yeah. Yeah, well that's terrible because

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Speaker 4: Couldn't even imagine. Yeah, now there's.

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Speaker 3: No price to all that you've lost over this. Yes,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's not fair. I mean if I'd done

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Speaker 4: do we what is it? How should we do it? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's one of those kind of no good deed

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Speaker 2: Richard. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

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Speaker 4: Thanks. All right.

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Speaker 1: This wraps up part one of our interview with Survivor

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Speaker 1: season one winner Richard Hatch. Make sure to tune in

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Speaker 1: for our recap of Survivor season fifty premiere with Richard,

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Speaker 1: airing today later at twelve pm Pacific. In the meantime,

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