1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: First, we have the latest on the legal entanglements of 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. The former president is set to appear in 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: a Washington federal court today to face charges he conspired 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: to obstruct the twenty twenty presidential election. Bloomberg's Amy Morris 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: has details from our ninety nine one newsroom in Washington. 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: The hearing will likely be short, with Trump's attorneys doing 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 3: most of the talking. Trump is expected to be arraigned 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 3: in person. That means he'll have to enter an initial plea. 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: US Marshall Service spokesman Drew Wade says Trump will be 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: processed first. He'll have his fingerprints taken digitally. He'll be 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 3: required to provide a Social Security number, date of birth, address, 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: and other personal information, but there will be no mugshot 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: since he is easily recognizable and there are many photographs 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: already available. He will not be placed under arrest, as 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: this was a summons for his appearance in court, not 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: an arrest warrant. Today's hearing is set for four pm 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: Eastern time in Washington. I maye more as Bloomberg Day 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: break all. 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: Right, Amy, thank you about the latest charges against former 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: President Trump may be worse than Watergate. That's what we're 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: hearing from someone with first hand knowledge of the subject. 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: John Dean served as White House counsel for President Nixon 26 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: during Watergate. 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 4: Nixon's Watergate was like a lightning bug. Trump's behavior is 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: like a lightning storm, and it it threatens the entire 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 4: structure of our democracy. 30 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: Former White House counsel John Dean was a guest on 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,639 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Sound on Catch the Show weekdays at one pm 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: Eastern on Bloomberg Radio or listen on demand wherever you 33 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: get your podcasts. 34 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: And with former President Trump's arraignment today, Karen us Capitol 35 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: police are preparing for large and possibly rowdy crowds. Bloomberg's 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: Ed Baxter has that part of the story. 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 5: The Capital, of course, is a bit on edge for 38 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 5: obvious reasons. Capitol Police had a report of an active 39 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 5: shooter yesterday and this time around. Police Chief Thomas Manger 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 5: says they're in coordination with their partners. We've been talking 41 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 5: about this for a couple of weeks now. 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 6: We've had a couple of phone calls today, so yeah, 43 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 6: we're prepared. 44 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 5: Trump will head into the courthouse through an underground entrance 45 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 5: and may not even be seen during the entire proceeding. 46 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 5: In San Francisco, I'm at Baxter Bloomberg Daybreak. 47 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: All right, ed, thank you. Meanwhile, we're learning more about 48 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: the proposed plea deal between Hunter Biden and prosecutors A 49 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: judge as unsealed the proposal. It shows Hunter Biden earned 50 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: more than four million dollars from a Ukrainian energy company, 51 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: a Chinese private equity firm, and other sources. That's over 52 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: the course of two years, where the agreement says he 53 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: descended deeper into substance abuse. A lawyer for Biden did 54 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: not immediately respond to our request for comment. 55 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: Let's turn back to the markets now, Karen, where much 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: of the commentary remains focused on this week's downgrade of 57 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: the US credit rating. Now, two former Treasury secretaries are 58 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: flagging concerns over the nation's long term fiscal challenges. Timothy 59 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: Geidner says the US has enormous capacity to deal with 60 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: its budget deficit. The man he succeeded, Hank Paulson, agrees, 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: but Paulson says the government needs to act. 62 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 4: We're a rich country and We've got time to deal 63 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: with it, but we need to do some things in 64 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 4: the next few years to change that trajectory. 65 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: Hank Paulson and Timothy Geidner spoke to our David Weston 66 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg's Wall Street Week. You can catch the entire 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: conversation tomorrow at six pm Wall Street Time on Bloomberg Television, 68 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: or subscribe to the Bloomberg Wall Street Week podcast. It's 69 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: available on Apple, Spotify, or anywhere else you listen and. 70 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: Nathan, the news from Fitch Ratings appears to be putting 71 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: the brakes on this year's stock rally. Bloombergs John Tucker 72 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: joins us with the details. Good morning John, Good morning Careen. 73 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 7: The S and P five hundred racked up its worst 74 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 7: day since April, falling one point four percent. The high 75 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 7: flying Nasdaq one hundred registered a two percent sell off. 76 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 7: It was a confluence of events fueling the sell off. 77 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 7: There was the Fitch downgrading US debt, then a hotter 78 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 7: than expected jobs report from ADP that fueled inflation concerns, 79 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 7: and then the government announced it would have to sell 80 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 7: more debt to pay the cost of a ballooning deficit 81 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 7: that also had treasuries sell off push tenyure yields to 82 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 7: around four point one five percent. That's the highest this year, 83 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 7: and the selloff comes just as a host of market 84 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 7: gurus we're upping through year round forecasts in New York. 85 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 7: I'm John Tucker, Bloomberg debreak. 86 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 6: All right, John, thank you. 87 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: Overseas today, we are following the latest policy decision from 88 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: the Bank of England. Economists anticipate at least a quarter 89 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: percentage point increase, with a strong chance the central Bank 90 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: hikes as much as fifty basis points. That decision comes 91 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: at seven am Wall Street time. 92 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: And we're also following earnings, Nathan. This afternoon, we get 93 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: results from Apple and Amazon. Apple is expected to report 94 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: its third consecutive year over year revenue decline, while traders 95 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: are watching Amazon for word on growth in its cloud 96 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: computing business. 97 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Well, we've already got earnings, Karen. From one big tech heavyweight, 98 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: Qualcomms forecasts disappointed, and the shares right now are down 99 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: eight and a half percent. We get the details from 100 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett. 101 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 6: It indicates that demand for mobile devices remains weak even 102 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 6: as the industry emerges from a glot Qualcomm said sales 103 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 6: will be eight point one billion to eight point nine 104 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 6: billion dollars. The midpoint of that ranges well below the 105 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 6: eight point seventy nine billion dollar average estimate compiled by Bloomberg. 106 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 6: The outlook renews concerns about a smartphone industry contending with 107 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 6: its worst downturn in years. In New York. Charlie Pallet 108 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Daybreak. 109 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: All right, Charlie, thanks well. Shares A robin Hood are 110 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: also feeling the pain this morning. They're down six percent 111 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: after monthly active users missed estimates. Robin Hood reported at 112 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: revenue that outperform, but also said that crypto revenue fell 113 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: forty seven percent from the prior year. Time Now for 114 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: a look at some of the other stories making news 115 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: around the world. For that, we're joined by Bloomberg's Amy 116 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 2: Morris Saming. Good morning, Good morning, Karen. 117 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 3: The State Department has ordered non emergency US government employees 118 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 3: and eligible family members to leave the US embassy indies 119 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: after a coup in that country, and now comes word 120 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: the Wagner Mercenary Group is operating in nearby Molly. State 121 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 3: Department spokesman Matthew Miller. 122 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 8: We will know how he's being treated. 123 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 9: We will know if he's if he's eaten, we will 124 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 9: know if he's being tortured, We'll know if. 125 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 10: He's Any attempt by the military leaders in Niger to 126 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 10: bring the Wagner forces into Nizer would be a sign 127 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 10: yet another sign that they do not have the best 128 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 10: interests of the Nigerian people at heart. 129 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: State Department spokesman Matthew Miller says they are also advising 130 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: US citizens to not travel to Nizer. It's been more 131 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: than two weeks since twenty three year old US Army 132 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: Private second Class Travis King ran across the demilitarized Zone 133 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: into North Korea, his family speaking out. His uncle Myron 134 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 3: Gates telling ABC's Good Morning America that they are looking 135 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: for any information, but the UN Command says it's not 136 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: giving out any details about Pyongyang's response at this time 137 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: because it quote doesn't want to win fear with the 138 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: efforts to bring him home. New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy 139 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: is cutting his Italy vacation short following the death of 140 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: Lieutenant Governor Sheila Oliver. Bloomberg's Nancy Lyons has the very latest. 141 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 11: An aide says Governor Murphy is cutting short his Italy 142 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 11: vacation and will return to the state later this afternoon. 143 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 11: Lieutenant Governor Sheila Oliver died this week from an undisclosed 144 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 11: medical condition. She'd been serving as acting governor while Murphy 145 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 11: was away. She was the first black woman to hold 146 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 11: statewide elected office in New Jersey, winning the vote alongside 147 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 11: Murphy in twenty seventeen and again in twenty twenty one. 148 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 11: She was a well known figure in state government and 149 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 11: made history in twenty ten by becoming the first black 150 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 11: woman to lead the state Assembly. Murphy will have to 151 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 11: name a new Lieutenant governor within forty five days. Nancy 152 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 11: lyons Bloomberg Radio. 153 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: Some military veterans are suing to get access to infertility treatments. 154 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: The lawsuits claim the Defense Department and the Department of Veterans' 155 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: Affairs are making it close to impossible for veterans to 156 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: get infertility treatments. CBS reports the law suits seek to 157 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: obtain in vitro fertilization coverage for military service members and 158 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: veterans who don't fit the Veterans' Affairs definition of infertility 159 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: as pertaining to solely married heterosexual couples. Global News twenty 160 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: four hours a day powered by more than twenty seven 161 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: hundred journalists and analysts in more than one hundred twenty countries. 162 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: I'm Amy Morrison. This is Bloomberg. 163 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: Karen sor right, Amy, Thank you. It is five ht 164 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: nine on Wall Street. 165 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 5: Time. 166 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: Now for the Bloomberg Sports Update. Here's John stash Hour, 167 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: John Hearin. 168 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 12: The Big Ten Conference used to have ten schools, then 169 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 12: they add at Penn State, then Nebraska next to join 170 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,359 Speaker 12: Rutgers and Maryland, so the conference currently actually has fourteen 171 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 12: schools and USC and UCLA are set to join the 172 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 12: Big Ten next year, and now the Big Ten is 173 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 12: exploring further expansion talking to Washington and Oregon since the 174 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,359 Speaker 12: PAC twelve seems to be on the verge of crumbling 175 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 12: with the departures of USC, ECLA, and now Colorado is 176 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 12: going to be leaving to rejoin the Big twelve. As 177 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 12: for Florida State looking to leave the ACC upset that 178 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 12: its conference is changing its revenue distribution model. Seven current 179 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 12: or former athletes at Iowa and Iowa State now facing 180 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 12: criminal gambling chargers. Who's going to be the new quarterback 181 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 12: for the Tampa Bay Bucks. Tom Brady is retired, Baker 182 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 12: Mayfield is in and currently the number one, but Kyle Traft, 183 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 12: the former Florida Gator who the Bucks drafted in twenty 184 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 12: twenty one, is said to be closing in on Mayfield 185 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 12: for the starting TV job. Baseball, the Red Sox lost 186 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 12: in Seattle six to three the Nationals with a walk 187 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 12: off win over Milwaukee three to two. Brewers are a 188 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 12: half game behind Cincinnati in the NL Central. The Reds 189 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 12: just lost twice to the Cubs, giving up a total 190 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 12: of thirty six runs in those two games. Toronto ended 191 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 12: a five game home losing streak with a four to 192 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 12: one win over Baltimore. The Blue Jays have the lead 193 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 12: for the second AL Wild Card. Giants bed Arizona four 194 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 12: to two. A's lost of the Dodgers in La kend 195 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 12: Josh Stasheward. 196 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 6: Bloomberg's ford. 197 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 13: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 198 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 13: Boston to Washington, d C. Nationwide on Syrias Exam, the 199 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 13: Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 200 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 13: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. 201 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Fitch has downgraded the US credit rating and it is 202 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: a move that rippled through markets yesterday and had many 203 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: commentators shaking their heads asking why. To get the answer 204 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: and the thinking behind the move, Let's hear from one 205 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: of the people who made the decision. Richard Francis is 206 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: co head of America's sovereign ratings at Fitch. He says 207 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: the downgrade was due to weakening US fiscal metrics and governance. 208 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: Richard Francis of Fitch sat down with Bloomberg Schinelli Bassic 209 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: to discuss the decision. Let's listen in to that conversation. 210 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 14: Now, it's worth talking a little bit about the criteria 211 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 14: you set out about a year ago about what it 212 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 14: would take to get to a downgrade, because some of 213 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 14: the things have changed in terms of the picture. 214 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: Let's start with. 215 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 14: The rise in debt to GDP ratio. The significant and 216 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 14: sustained rise did not be so significant or sustained, So 217 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 14: why is that not factored in here in terms of 218 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 14: the decision made More recently? 219 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 9: Well, the dept bubble has been rising quite significantly. If 220 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 9: you look at before the Great Financial Crisis in two 221 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 9: thousand and seven, debt to GDP was at below sixty percent. 222 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 9: Now it's one hundred and thirteen percent. The one hundred 223 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 9: and thirteen percent is almost three times higher than the 224 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 9: triple A median, and it's more than twice as high as. 225 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 8: The double A median. 226 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 9: So you've had sustained, you know, deterioration over the years. 227 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 8: Yes, debt to G peaked after during the pandemic of one. 228 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 9: Hundred and twenty percent and has come down, and that's 229 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 9: because you know, inflation and high ennmal GDP growth and 230 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 9: also the you know, the withdrawal of the STEM lists, 231 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 9: especially last year. But now we're seeing that levels starting 232 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 9: to rise again, and we do not see them stabilizing 233 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 9: that we just see them continuing to rise in the 234 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 9: next three years and probably more of the medium term. 235 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 9: And that one hundred and thirteen percent is still thirteen 236 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 9: percentage points higher than where it was before the pandemic, 237 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 9: So you have quite a deterioration on the fiscal. 238 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,359 Speaker 8: And debt side. 239 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 14: I'd love for you to respond here to Treasury Secretary 240 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 14: Janet Yellen who said that she disagrees with your decision 241 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 14: and that it is based on outdated and arbitrary based 242 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 14: on outdated data. I'm sorry. So, if it is indeed 243 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 14: base on outdated data, do you agree with that and 244 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 14: does that change the way that you look at the 245 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 14: picture moving forward. 246 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 9: I understand why she's not happy with it with a downgrade. 247 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 8: That makes sense. I think what she. 248 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 9: Is referring to, specifically, our governance indicators that we use 249 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 9: from the World Bank. 250 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 8: They come out once the year. They tend to be 251 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 8: a little bit backward looking. 252 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 9: We use it because it's we have that data for 253 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 9: every country in the world, and it comes out once 254 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 9: a year, and we're able to use it for comparison's sake, 255 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 9: and not. 256 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 8: Just say a finish coming up with us. You know, 257 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 8: this underlying governance. So yes, it's a little bit backward looking. 258 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 9: But I think more importantly, over the last two decades, 259 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 9: you've seen again a deterioration and even these indicators, you know, 260 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 9: the United States target started kind of at the top 261 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 9: of governance, toward the top at ninety one percentile, and 262 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 9: now it's down to seventy eight percentile. So again you've 263 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 9: seen a kind of continuous deterioration over the last two decades. 264 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 14: What does this mean for the risk free rate? Here's 265 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 14: the idea here is that treasuries are not as risk 266 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 14: free as they had been with a gold standard to 267 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 14: LA rating. Here, what does this mean for broader markets, 268 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 14: and do other countries do other security space for the 269 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 14: risk of downgrade given how much the treasury market had 270 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 14: underpinned the financial markets. 271 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 8: You know, I think one of the rating strengths of 272 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 8: the US, the other key rating strength. 273 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 9: In addition to the dynamic economy that I mentioned earlier, 274 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 9: is the the reserve currency status of the United States. 275 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 8: It's on. 276 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 9: It's unparalleled. There's no other there's not really much of 277 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 9: an alternative. The treasury markets teep and liquid, and this 278 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 9: gives the US government tremendous financing flexibility. And I think 279 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 9: that is a very key rating factor. And the other 280 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 9: thing I would have to mention is, you know, double 281 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 9: A plus is the second highest rating we have. 282 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 8: It's not it's not a low rating. It's not, you know, 283 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 8: it's still a very high rating. 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