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Speaker 1: Jack Murphy is here in studio as well, um, which

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Speaker 1: that you use, um while you're seeking treatment. And you know, eventually,

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Speaker 1: if you can transition over to doing you know, yoga

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Speaker 1: or you know exercise or whatever whatever it is, um,

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Speaker 1: then you do that. Every Yeah, everybody's got some different outlets.

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Speaker 1: Some make music, some do art. You know, when we

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Speaker 1: went to the meditation, we went to verses and curses,

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Speaker 1: I feel like those guys writing poetry was therapeutic for them. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's all sorts of it depends on you

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Speaker 1: tell you. For me, it was difficult. I mean when

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Speaker 1: told me to go. Actually that was the only reason

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Speaker 1: why I ever went. He's like, Jack, you have PTSD,

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Speaker 1: go talk to them. So this So this isn't that

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Speaker 1: I told her some ship that I have told maybe

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Speaker 1: Oh for the court, you know, the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: It sucks, you know. So I'm not gonna sugarcoat it

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Speaker 1: But it's worth it in the long run, you know,

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Speaker 1: well said man. And I think people need to hear it.

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Speaker 1: I know that every few episodes we get into this

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Speaker 1: Before we get to Alex Hongs and I want to

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work and the guests are awesome.

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Speaker 1: recently to talk about this book, but it's out now.

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Speaker 1: The Perception War is How Influence Shapes Conflict available now

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Speaker 1: on Amazon dot com. Uh. We talked about it a

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Speaker 1: little bit on the last show but I want to

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Speaker 1: get more in depth with certain things as well as

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Speaker 1: some recent articles you've done. So good to have you

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Speaker 1: on and congratulations on the book finally being released. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks man, I'm excited to be here. You know, last

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Speaker 1: time I came on, Jack wasn't here, so you know,

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Speaker 1: now I get to tell him all the same stories

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Speaker 1: I told you, like, they're brand new and and and

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Speaker 1: by the way, for our audience, I think most of

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Speaker 1: you guys know Alex from the site. Alex is a

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Speaker 1: marine core veteran. And you're also doing some writing for

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different places, which is great. I mean

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Speaker 1: you're expanding your name. Well, you know, that's the name

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Speaker 1: of the game. I'm trying to get on that Jack

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Speaker 1: Murphy program. Be careful what you wish for, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do use use my example all the time. I

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Speaker 1: always tell people I know a guy on TV I

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Speaker 1: got worse stories. Yeah, from the media wars from the

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Speaker 1: Media Awards and Jack Murphy's media wars for Purple Hearts.

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Speaker 1: Uh man, uh So tell us about the new book

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Speaker 1: and what it's about. I was scoping it out the

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Speaker 1: other day. Yeah, you know the basic premise of it,

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Speaker 1: and you know what it is. It's a collection of

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Speaker 1: analysis pieces that I compiled over just about two years

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Speaker 1: that really digs into how our perceptions of the world

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Speaker 1: are shaped by concerted government efforts. You know. It starts

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Speaker 1: with some historical examples, you know, a good example being, uh,

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Speaker 1: the the idea that carrots will actually improve your vision

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Speaker 1: or your night vision is born out of a World

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Speaker 1: just because the Brits were trying to cover up the

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Speaker 1: fact that they had radar in their aircraft. You know,

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Speaker 1: mounted radar arrays. They didn't want the Nazis to know

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Speaker 1: I mean, our night vision is amazing thanks to carrots,

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Speaker 1: and we believed it, you know. So you know, it

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Speaker 1: starts with kind of like the the basis for the

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Speaker 1: world we live in today, which is a world where

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Speaker 1: managed perceptions really do inform the wars we fight, you know,

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Speaker 1: starting with things like World War two, but also talking

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Speaker 1: about some hypotheticals. You know, the Roswald incident is a

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Speaker 1: famous UFO you know, crazy story, but there's a leading

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Speaker 1: theory that it was actually a really well developed disinformation

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Speaker 1: campaign that involved Russian experimental aircraft and dr Mangela that

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Speaker 1: New Mexico to crash and confuse US sounds and sync.

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Speaker 1: But the only thing that sounds crazier is the idea

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Speaker 1: that aliens came did it instead. But you're a lot

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Speaker 1: your take on the notion that our government willfully, if

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Speaker 1: not it stokes it along the UFO conspiracies because it's

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Speaker 1: a great cover for various classified aviation projects. Absolutely, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you look at programs like I mean

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Speaker 1: old school ones like like the U Tube, the s

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Speaker 1: R seventy one, which we're tested at the Groom Lake

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Speaker 1: Air Force Base. Right, So yeah, the YouTube program in

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Speaker 1: the SR seventy one program are historical examples of the

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Speaker 1: help maintain their cover while they're developing these acred aircraft.

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Speaker 1: It's tougher to do today. You know, Today, commercial satellite

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Speaker 1: imagery pops up every so often of things that looked

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Speaker 1: like they could be prototype aircraft. You know, there's pictures

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Speaker 1: slowing around the Internet that some people think might be

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Speaker 1: an SR seventy two technology demonstrator. Uh, you know, stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. It's tougher now because picture everybody's got a

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Speaker 1: camera in their pocket, you know. But you still see

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Speaker 1: people mistaking military aircraft for UFOs all the time today.

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Speaker 1: And I think it would be crazy to think that

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Speaker 1: the government isn't aware and acknowledging it. When I was

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Speaker 1: a kid, when Area fifty one was big news already.

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Speaker 1: Back then there was talk of Hanger eighteen, which was

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Speaker 1: Area fifty one was already kind of a false flag, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, disinformation agent. You know that we were they

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Speaker 1: were trying to keep us focused on Area fifty one

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Speaker 1: while they did the real research out at Hanger eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not there's any truth to that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, but I buy it. I buy

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Speaker 1: the idea that they intentionally keep our focus on places

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Speaker 1: like the Groom Lake facility because it really helps let

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Speaker 1: without all of us kind of eavesdropping. It's like such

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Speaker 1: a great story in the sense that, you know, if

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Speaker 1: somebody sees a black, triangular looking aircraft, you know, it

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Speaker 1: moonshine again. Absolutely. You know, last year there was a

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Speaker 1: ton of UFO sightings that started pouring in all over

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Speaker 1: Lots and lots of people got pictures and video of it.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of different theories about what it was,

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Speaker 1: but it looked like a resurgence of the Phoenix Lights

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Speaker 1: heading west over US or in US airspace. It turned out,

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Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this before. It was a

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Speaker 1: massive formation of C seventeens and C one thirties that

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Speaker 1: we're flying out west for an Air Force security operation,

639
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, training operation. But for the most part we

640
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: are not accustomed to seeing military aircraft here, you know,

641
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: knis in the US. Uh So when we see an

642
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: airplane in the night sky that doesn't behave like a

643
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: commercial airliner, we tend to assume it must be an alien.

644
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, they're flying low, they're flying weird, it's strange lights,

645
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: it's encompassing a huge swath of the sky, you know. Uh.

646
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: Our first assumption is usually, oh my god, something crazy

647
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: is happening. I remember the truth a lot of times,

648
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: it's just you know, normal day to day operations for

649
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: the pilots in those seats. I remember reading an article.

650
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: I can't remember where this was. This was a long

651
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: time ago, probably back in the nineties actually, um, and

652
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: it was written by a former Navy seal, and he

653
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: was talking about black helicopters over America. And you know,

654
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: back I guess to this day. I mean there's you know,

655
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: although like conspiracy theories about black helicopters and this and that,

656
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: and what he was saying was, you know, I was

657
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: a Navy seal on training exercises. We were the guys

658
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: and the black helicopters. And he explained how, you know,

659
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: this was during the Cold War, they would do these

660
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: kind of long range infiltration exercises because you know, specialized

661
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: units like the Seals might have to go do like

662
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: a long range for connaissance operation that would be inserted

663
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: by helicopter and then they'd walk along distances and that's

664
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: what they were doing. They were inserting by helicopter in

665
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: the night. And then these Seals, you know, small Seal

666
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: team was walking you know, overland to go do a training,

667
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: reconnaissance mission or whatever it was. And you know, people

668
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: saw these helicopters, of course, and the black helicopter conspiracy

669
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: was born. And I think that we're gonna see a

670
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: resurgence of that and the years to come, for two

671
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: big reasons. The first one being, you know, ever since

672
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: last year the New York Times broke the story that

673
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: the Pentagon was investigating the call them u a p

674
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: S Unidentified Area, remember that one instead of UFOs, right,

675
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: And when those when these stories kind of hit the

676
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: national media, it kind of re sparked the population's love

677
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: affair with like this idea of UFOs and flying saucers.

678
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: So when you take that, you take like a new

679
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: a newly ignited interest in this, and you combine it

680
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: with things like the tenth Mountain Division in the Army

681
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: now are training to recapture elements of the US infrastructure

682
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: and the event they were ever taken over by a

683
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: foreign power. We are now training for the possibility of

684
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: near peer or peer level warfare in a way that

685
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the people of our generation have never

686
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: really experienced. You know. So when you see the US

687
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: military doing training over US soil, you know, black helicopters

688
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: flying low and flying fast over parts of the electrical

689
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: grid for instance, Uh, a lot of people are gonna

690
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: assume it's something else. It's either a government conspiracy or

691
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: its alien spaceships. You know, there's plenty of stories about

692
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: UFOs appearing over nuclear missile silos, uh, you know, places

693
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: where we're storing nuclear weapons. I'd argue a lot of

694
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: those sightings are probably training for those quick reaction forces

695
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: whose responsibility it would be to resecure those facilities that

696
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: they were ever attacked. One of my you know, I

697
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: guess one of my favorite subjects are an interesting subject

698
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: is some of them, like you remember, back in the day,

699
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: we used to call it continuity of government, and some

700
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: of these there there are these plans for like what

701
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: happens if there's a nuclear war, how will the government survive?

702
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: But then there's also all kinds of plans of like

703
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: what if there was a coup in the United States,

704
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: And like I've talked to different people about you know,

705
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like, um, resecuring nuclear infrastructure in

706
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: this country if there was a like in this case,

707
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: there's a if there was a military coup. Um. I've

708
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: talked to one guy who there there's this like nuclear

709
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: bunker complex out in the Midwest, and he was like,

710
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: we had to plant called Bryant Ridge. I could be wrong.

711
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: He was like, we had to come up with a

712
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: plan on how we would retake this bunker complex if

713
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: the Air Force that is in charge of those bunkers

714
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: participated in a military coup. And he I would hate

715
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: to be the guys climbing down into that bunker knowing

716
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: full well that you've got to fight there. I mean,

717
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: you've got to fight a meritory for total warfare. Tontal

718
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: warfare is no laughing matter. That's a you know that

719
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: Actually that also speaks to you know, get into the

720
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: real tinfoil cap conspiracy parts of the Internet. There's a

721
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: long standing legend about a place called the Dulce Facility,

722
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: underground military base that we're supposedly storing all kinds of

723
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: aliens and stuff like that. And at one point Delta

724
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: was sent in to engage with the aliens when they

725
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: were getting a little unruly. Oh I think I saw this.

726
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: I saw I think I saw something about this. It

727
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: was like, you know, if someone wrote an article about it,

728
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: like the Internet's most crazy conspiracy theory about how Green

729
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: Berets fought aliens underground or something like that. And it

730
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: was mostly bolstered by this one guy who claimed to

731
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: have been a tech that worked down in the facility

732
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: and he was missing a finger, you know what I mean.

733
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: The off an alien bit it off. No, it was

734
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: an energy weapon, and uh, the energy weapon blew a

735
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: hole clear through him. But they were able to heal

736
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: the whole but not the finger apparently. And according to him,

737
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, a brave Delta soldier died, you know, sacrificing

738
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: his life to save him as he was evacuating. Uh.

739
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: The whole thing sounds like resident evil, you know. I do, however,

740
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: think there's probably some truth to the idea that we

741
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: maintained underground research facilities at places like area fifty one.

742
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: You know, it just makes more sense that we would

743
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 1: keep things and tunnels rather than out in the open

744
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: for satellites to capture, you know, snapshots of whether or

745
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: not under ten foot tall reptilians down there. Yeah. No,

746
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: there's definitely underground you know, facilities and complexes and stuff

747
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: like that. And um, I'm just thinking about another story

748
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I heard about, you know, um contingency planning that some

749
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: of the Special Operations guys did. And I remember one

750
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: of the stories I heard was that there's an underground

751
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: facility where we were running guys through simulations for you know,

752
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: potential contingencies that could happen. But yeah, some of that

753
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: stuff is out there. I don't know. Uh, I don't

754
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: know that there's any alien uh, you know, critters running around,

755
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: but you know, some of the black helicopters are real,

756
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: a few of them anyway, you know. And this is

757
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: the thing about the UFO topic that sometimes frustrating for

758
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: me is that I love it. It's genuinely interesting. The

759
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: problem is is that you can't talk about UFOs without

760
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: also talking about aliens, you know, and uh, to me,

761
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: there're separate things. Yeah, there's definitely things that fly around

762
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: in American airspace that we're not totally sure what it is,

763
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: or at least we're publicly not totally sure what it is.

764
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: I'd argue the vast majority of it is miss misidentified

765
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: military aircraft. I think that even when it's military aircraft

766
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: reporting these sightings, it's still maybe military aircraft. UH. And

767
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: for instance, UH last year, late last year in northern California,

768
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: the Army, inter National Guard or the International Guard excuse me,

769
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: scrambled F fifteens to intercept something flying in the northern

770
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: California area, just off the coast. UH. They were able

771
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: to get radar on it and then lost radar, got

772
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: it again, and but they weren't able to get a

773
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: visual confirmation that anything was even there. I think chances

774
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: are really good it was probably an experimental drone. And

775
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, let's see what the Air National

776
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: Guard does. I mean, you think like intentionally testing their systems.

777
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised, I guess is what I mean.

778
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't be surprised if we were willing to

779
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: poke and prod elements of our national security apparatus, like

780
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: the Air National Guard to UH, to gauge how well

781
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: an F fifteen really could scramble to intercept one of

782
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: these stealth drones and you know, maybe leave him a

783
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: breadcrumb trail of radar signatures to to put them on

784
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: the case. To me, again, it seems maybe a little

785
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: far fetched, but less far fetched than the idea that

786
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: it's in your stellar beings, you know, checking out the

787
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: whole foods in Sacramento. Yeah, I mean, the the X

788
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: Files thesis. It never makes any sense. It's actually you're

789
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: telling me some aliens came from you know, a million

790
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: light years away, so they could stick a finger up

791
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: my butt. It just doesn't make sense. So here's here's

792
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: where I can get crazy. I would argue that if

793
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: we were aliens, we wouldn't communicate with us either. We

794
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: would just, you know, do what we do in Africa.

795
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: You scoop the wild animal ape, stick a finger in

796
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: their butt, tag them and let them go. You know,

797
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: you don't meet with their president. You know. I still

798
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: don't buy it, though, you know, I uh, I think

799
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: that if aliens really were messing with us, there would

800
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: be evidence to suggest that there was. By now, uh,

801
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: there's obviously natural phenomenon that we don't have a you know,

802
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: a finger on quite yet that's going on. We still

803
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: don't really understand lots of things that we think we do.

804
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: We don't know how gravity works. So I'm willing to

805
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: accept the idea that ball lightning could you know, could

806
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: be something that we we don't have a grasp of.

807
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: That's said, I think most of the time people see

808
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: some weird lights in the sky, there's there's another human

809
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: being flying it. You know, they might not begin it

810
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: might be a drone, but somebody knows what it is. Oh.

811
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: It definitely captures the imagination though, that's for sure. You know,

812
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: and those stories, in my opinion, that's a cooler story.

813
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm a lot more interested in flight of the intruder

814
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: than I am in uh close encunors of the third kind.

815
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: You know, if aliens are here, that's a big story.

816
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: But because I'm not very confident that they are, I

817
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: want to know about, you know, these guys that are

818
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: flying the next generation of military aircraft. I want to

819
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: know the stories when you read, like the stories about

820
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: box Cart that became the YouTube. That's awesome, man, The

821
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: guys that were flying that airplane. It was an experimental

822
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: aircraft lying on the edge of space. They were wearing

823
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: space suits to fly this airplane before we were pointing,

824
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: I mean, decades before we put someone in orbit. That's

825
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: that's awesome, it's heroic, it's courageous, and that that's a

826
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: cooler story in my opinion. Then you know, cattle mutilations.

827
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: It's interesting how our government is able to keep some

828
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: secrets still. I mean, we were talking about submarines before,

829
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: and you know, the stuff that happens on submarines is

830
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: really kept close hold. UM. And there are definitely some

831
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: arrow space projects too that we just don't know anything about. UM.

832
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: And there are some journalists out there working for like

833
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: Janes and places like that. They'll go through like patents

834
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: and foyer requests and try to dig up little bits

835
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: and pieces of it UM. But like one example is

836
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: the stealth helicopters that were used on the ben Laden raid.

837
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: And here I am, supposedly the special operations reporter and

838
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. I didn't know anything about them,

839
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: you know. I remember when that happened. I was on

840
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: is on active duty and station at four Devons at

841
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: the time, and I remember the pictures coming out and

842
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: all of us in the office being like that's that's

843
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: not the tail of a black Yeah, I don't know

844
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: what that is. You know that the day the pictures

845
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: first surface. But you know, there's a lot of things

846
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: like that that even though the public, even when the

847
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: public knows a bit. The Beach twenty one raiders a

848
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: great example general atomics. I think are the ones making

849
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: it Unlike Lockheed Martin, Lockheed Martin, who I mean, they

850
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: secure every government contract they can get their hands on.

851
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: They're not particularly good at keeping a lid on anything. Uh,

852
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: the Beach twenty one Raider, there's very little publicly available

853
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: information about it. There's one artist's rendering out there. Now,

854
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: this thing is theoretically supposed to be operational in the

855
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: next seven years, Like and what is this thing? Sorry?

856
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: What is this aircraft? What? What's his capabilities? So the

857
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: Beach went one Raider is supposed to be our next

858
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: generation long range strategic stealth bomber. It's going to replace Boath,

859
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: the B two stealth bomber, and the Lancer of the

860
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: B one Answer, which is our only supersonic long range bomber.

861
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like the B twenty one will be supersonic,

862
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: but it it will be capable of conducting combat operations

863
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: the world over. You know, it's gonna launch from an

864
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: air strip in the United States, it's gonna bomb a

865
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: target on the other side of the globe and return

866
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: to its air strip in the United States. Now, the

867
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: thing about the B twenty one is that that's basically

868
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: all we know. We know that, and then it's gonna

869
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: look kind of like the B two. So the fact

870
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: you don't know anything about like payload or anything like that.

871
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: Nothing nothing. Now logically speaking, it's got a boast at

872
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: least around eighty thousand pounds thousand pounds of payload capacity,

873
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: because that's what the B one B can do, and

874
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: we shouldn't get rid of the B one B in

875
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: favor of something that can't match its capability. Right. It will, however,

876
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: be nuclear and conventional capable, unlike the B one B.

877
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: But to be honest with you, all we really know

878
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: about it beyond that is that it will be real stealthy.

879
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing air quotation marks. It'll be next generation stealthy,

880
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: whatever that means. And it will be a long range bomber.

881
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: And other than that, they've kept the rest really close

882
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: to the chest. If it's really supposed to be flying

883
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: operations in seven years. There should be thirty of them

884
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: right now doing shakedown flights. You know, the the UP

885
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: thirty five is still not considered fully operational, and we've

886
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: been flying that thing for a decade. So it stands

887
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: to reason that either they're lying to us about how

888
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: well the B twenty one is going, or they're lying

889
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: to us about whether or not they've got ones in

890
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 1: the sky already. Well, that goes back to the whole

891
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: disinformation game. And uh, I note and you wrote an

892
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: article two touches upon this recently, But how the every

893
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: time we do something or talk about some sort of

894
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: military technology, the Russians like almost immediately come out with

895
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: like a propaganda video that's totally fictional about how they

896
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: can counter it, like, um I saw what's oh okay.

897
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: So like whenever a story comes out about how the

898
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: United States is developing um like invisibility technology, um like

899
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: like you see in the movie Predator, the Russians come

900
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: out with some video like, oh, we're developing that too,

901
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, I don't think we even have

902
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: that guy, but you're making it. We're developing it harder.

903
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: But you're making the you're making the counter narrative propaganda

904
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: film already, you know, like Russia. Russia's Foreign Ministry website,

905
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: I Swear to God is like my favorite website to

906
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: go to. It's like like one article will completely contradict

907
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: the next one, you know, like it's as though they

908
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: don't expect anybody to read them, you know. Uh. In

909
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of months, they've made a really big

910
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: push to like try to convince us that all the

911
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: ship we saw in nineteen eighties sci fi movies are

912
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: now like fully operational within the Russian military, you know. Uh.

913
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: Coalishnikov released pictures of a statue of a robot that

914
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: a guy could theoretically be in, and the international media

915
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: jumped all over it, saying Russia's got killer robots. Now, Uh,

916
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: Russia did try to feel to kill a robot in

917
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: Syria this past year. It was called the year and nine.

918
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: You are a n not like you are I n E.

919
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: It's stucked. They couldn't do ship with it. Uh. And

920
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: then they brought it back and put it in their

921
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: victory taper Victory Day parade and said that it was

922
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: fantastic to just to try to bolster you know the

923
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: attention they're getting, try to garner some headlines because ultimately,

924
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: you know, Russia's got a prostitution based economy. They need

925
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: they don't have the money to field the next level

926
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: defense technologies they need to compete. They're trying, you know,

927
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: they want to sell the SIFT seven to anybody who

928
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: will buy it. And there's a long list of countries

929
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: that we won't sell enough thirty five to that. Russia's

930
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: hoping to cultivate a market with, you know, whether it's

931
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: a killer robot, a new fighter jet, or laser guns

932
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: like China keeps pretending they have. Don't get I'm sure

933
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: China's got lasers. I just I don't care. Alex's last

934
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: article on this, which you could read on the news

935
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: rep dot com is Russia's newest tank shoots missiles from

936
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: its turret they claim will decimate American tanks. Here's why

937
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: they won't um so, just to get it a little

938
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: background on this. Russia's T fourteen Armada battle tank has

939
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: been touted for years as one of the most advanced

940
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: platforms in the world. Significant departure from traditional Russian tanks

941
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: tank designs, The T fourteen was purpose built for the

942
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: modern Russian professional military, placing a much higher emphasis on

943
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: crew survivability and defensive systems than any previous Kremlin effort.

944
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: The results is a main battle tank with a turret

945
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: completely separated from the crew compartment that relies on a

946
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: complex suite of sensors for targeting rather than human line

947
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: of sight, making a tank most of the world believes

948
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: is not only the safest to ever come out of Russia,

949
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: but potentially a solid match for America's legendary workhorse, the

950
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: A one Abram's battle tank. And then you get into

951
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: several other things here missiles versus to armor. But this

952
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: is a pretty in depth analysis of everything going on

953
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: over there. But you know, the point to get at

954
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: at the end of that article is that God's on

955
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: the truth. The T four Team seems like a pretty

956
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: formidable tank. However, Russia could only afford to buy a

957
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: hundred of them, and it broke down in the Red Square.

958
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: It did, the very first one broke down in the

959
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: Red Square. But like, let's just say, the T four

960
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: Team lives up to everything Russia claims. You know, uh,

961
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: these missiles that they're firing now, Russia is the only

962
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: nation in the world with tanks that fire missiles from

963
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: their turrets from the main gun. And to be fair,

964
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: those missiles, especially the new ones for the T four team,

965
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: have a longer range and are more accurate than the

966
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: US tanks would be able to engage a T four

967
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: team from right. The problem is is that you know,

968
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: the M one A two Abrahams that America uses as

969
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: as our primary battle tank. You know, it's thirty years old,

970
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: and we've got like hundred of them, you know, more

971
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: than two thousand of these tanks, and we're constantly improving

972
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: upon the technology. You know. The thief Or team, on

973
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: the other hand, let's say it is a match for

974
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: an M one A two, and let's say it's got

975
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: a superior range with that one weapon system. There's still

976
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: only a hundred of them, you know, I mean, that's

977
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: there's two air strikes away from not existing. It's like,

978
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm not particularly concerned about any new weapons system that

979
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: they developed for that platform. You know, if you want

980
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: to tell me that Russia all of a sudden bought

981
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: three thousands to fifty seven's, I'm interested. But again, they

982
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: only bought eleven of them. You know, they have eleven

983
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: fifth generation aircraft Russia that they're a paper tiger with

984
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: a really good propaganda machine. That's a hundred That's exactly it.

985
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: Me and I can't agree more there there. They specialize

986
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: in keeping their name in the discussion, you know, through

987
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's limited order of advanced platforms like that. Other

988
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: times it's just coming up with like doomsday weapons like that,

989
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: the Oceanic Status six. Uh, it's a it's a submarine,

990
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: a drone with a hundred megaton nuclear war it on it.

991
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: That feasibly, you know, you just park in New York

992
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: Harbor and wait until you need it. That's a really

993
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: big deal. A hundred megaton nuclear weapon is twice the

994
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: size of any nuclear weapon any human has ever detonated,

995
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: even in a test. You know. That's it would not

996
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: only decimate New York City, but the rate the irradiated

997
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: tidal wave would go hundreds of miles inland. It's a

998
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: big deal. How many of these things does Russia have?

999
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe one, you know, but it's it's

1000
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: crazy enough to get them a seat at the table,

1001
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's the bond villain strategy. I can't

1002
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: feel the military that can actually oppose you. But I

1003
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: can do something terrible to you, you know. And what

1004
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: I can do, you know, fucking waste the time of

1005
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: all of your CIA analysts into infinity by making them

1006
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: examine all of these claims on a day to day basis,

1007
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: you know. And it's and that's an important point to make,

1008
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: is that in my opinion, and and I think Jack

1009
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: you agree with me, because I've heard you talk about

1010
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: it on here before, the real looming threat to American

1011
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: military and diplomatic power all over the world is China.

1012
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: It's not Russia. Russia is fucked. I mean that they

1013
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: have no that country doesn't really have any future because

1014
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: their economy is shot, their population growth is negative. I mean,

1015
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: they're all we have to do is sit back and

1016
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: let Russia destroy itself, I mean quite absolutely. You know,

1017
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: the the biggest thing that's protecting NATO, you know, for instance,

1018
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: you know in Eastern Europe, a lot of NATO countries,

1019
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: particularly in the Baltics, are really concerned about Russian expansion,

1020
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, especially after you know, the annexation of Crimea

1021
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: and two thousand four. And that's that's something a country

1022
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: does to maintain legitimacy, especially domestically, when your economy is faltering,

1023
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: when your system of governance isn't working, and you know,

1024
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: and when you look at Ukraine in two thousand fourteen,

1025
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: just prior to the annexation of Crimea, the Ukraine government,

1026
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, pass some referendums that were very Russia front. Uh.

1027
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: The Ukrainian people were really opposed to this, and protests

1028
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: broke out, you know, in the capital and all over

1029
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: the country. And in the resulting kind of kerfuffle, Russia

1030
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: just came in an annexed Crimea, even though uh, technically speaking,

1031
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian government was more or less friendly to them

1032
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: at the time, and the media passed a referendum. Alex,

1033
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry they passed a referendum, Alex, didn't you know, Yeah, yeah,

1034
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: you know. But the real reason that Russia, I mean,

1035
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: obviously there was a strategic purpose behind capturing Crimea because

1036
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: of the naval base, but it's also important to recognize

1037
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: that NATO and NATO influences creeping eastward, you know, in

1038
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: Ukraine feasibly could have ended up a NATO power or

1039
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: joining NATO and then in the decades to come, and

1040
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: by making sure that Ukraine is just amid turmoil, very

1041
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: much the same way they tried to do here in

1042
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: the United States and in a number of other European democracies.

1043
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: By making sure that we're in turmoil, they don't have

1044
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: to worry about US advancing an agenda like that, they

1045
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about Ukraine becoming a NATO ally

1046
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: and play in placing NATO assets right on their border.

1047
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: And this is just like a little cheat sheet for

1048
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: for people out there, um who maybe aren't aware. But

1049
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 1: anytime you hear a bunch of like alarmist nonsense about NATO,

1050
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: someone saying NATO is doing this, NATO is doing that, Nato, NATO, NATO. Okay,

1051
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: that's Russian propaganda because nobody else gives a flying funk

1052
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: about NATO. Who is NATO a threat to Is NATO

1053
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: gonna like invade Egypt? What Like? Is NATO going to

1054
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: bomb Palestine? No? I is NATO going to you know,

1055
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: go and take over Venezuela and sees oil fields? No, Like,

1056
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: NATO isn't really a threat to anything except you know, uh,

1057
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: Russia's dreams of empire. Right, there's no It's It's a

1058
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: diplomatic leverage game, is what NATO plays. So any anytime

1059
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: you hear nonsense about like, oh, NATO is, you know,

1060
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: raping women in Libya or whatever the funk it is,

1061
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Russian propaganda. And so anytime you hear

1062
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: NATO in that kind of context, I mean, it should

1063
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: just trigger people automatically, and they should understand what they're

1064
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: what they're hearing, and where it's coming from. Especially I mean,

1065
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, NATO is conducting military operations around

1066
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: the world, but most of the time when NATO is

1067
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: involved NATO, it's it's the French Air Force operating under

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00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: the auspices of NATO. In the Baltics, it's the U.

1069
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: S Air Force, you know, doing the Baltic Sea Police

1070
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: a mission. NATO is a group of guys that sit

1071
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: around and talk about what they ought to do, you know, Russia.

1072
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: What's protecting NATO from Russia is Russia's own economy. And

1073
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: I think that anyone in NATO knows that. You know, However,

1074
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: it's really important that from within those NATO nations they

1075
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: continue to just kind of like exude this image of

1076
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: UNI vacation and of diplomacy and of military strength because

1077
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a posturing game, not unlike the one Russia plays.

1078
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's an important thing I try to

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00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: get at in my book, the perception Wars plug is

1080
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: Narrative management is not inherently a nefarious job, you know,

1081
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: perception management propaganda isn't necessarily a bad guy thing to do.

1082
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: And because in the United States we tend to see

1083
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: it that way, we are really falling behind, you know,

1084
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: in the competition for people's perceptions. We have a habit of, uh,

1085
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: waiting for someone to accuse us of something and then

1086
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: countering those accusations, which almost always makes you look guilty.

1087
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: If someone accuses you of rape, you're a rapist, even

1088
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: if you're acquitted, right, Uh. If someone accuses you of

1089
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: a war crime, you're a war criminal, even if acquitted.

1090
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: You know, because perception is what matters, not necessarily what

1091
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: really happens where there are we're absolutely horrible about that.

1092
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody is better at us, including the Brits,

1093
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: are better at propaganda than the United States is. I mean,

1094
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: I think I've said on this podcast before that UM

1095
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: public affairs officers for our Department of Defense, they're horrible.

1096
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to say they're like bad people,

1097
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: but I mean or even that, or even that they're

1098
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: failing to meet the requirements of their jobs and what

1099
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: we expect to them. Um, it's just like they're constantly

1100
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 1: in react mode. And normally what they're doing is they're

1101
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, waiting for the next like sexual assault scandal

1102
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: in the army to break or or another branch of service,

1103
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: and then they're like react and they give these like

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00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: blase statements to newspapers. Um. I know because I'm one

1105
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: of those people that receives the blase statements. Um. It's like, man,

1106
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: you guys should be doing a better job of like

1107
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: selling America than you know, some of this crap. And

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01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna quote I do this all the time.

1109
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: But dr Agetmon she works at narrative strategies. In her book,

1110
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: she talks about the way America's narrative should be working

1111
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: is instead of countering bad actor narratives, we need to

1112
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: be establishing our own that discredit a bad actor's narrative.

1113
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: And I can't support that idea enough. You know, in

1114
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: Syria is a great example. Syria is a quagmire. Man.

1115
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: There's like a ton of countries with a ton of

1116
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: different motives, all engaged in combat operations against each other

1117
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: and mutual opponents. Syria is a complicated situation that your

1118
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: average American just doesn't have time to understand. You know.

1119
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: I think that you could go to grad school and

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01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: major in the Syrian conflict, graduate with a master's degree,

1121
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: and still not understand all of it. You know. So

1122
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: for your average American voter, it doesn't take much to

1123
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: sway perceptions about what we're doing there. And you know,

1124
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: and but what America does is we wait for Russia

1125
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: to accuse us of supporting ISIS or of staging chemical

1126
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: weapons attacks, to to you know, go after Assad, which

1127
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: we've demonstrated again and again we seem to have no

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01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: interest in doing. And we wait for those to happen.

1129
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: And then what do we do. We get in front

1130
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: of a microphone, we repeat their accusations and then say no, yeah, well,

1131
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean I think that what you're referencing that like,

1132
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: we don't have our own narrative, what's our story? But

1133
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: I think that goes back to um. You can look

1134
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: at the work of Robert Curtis, for example, and some

1135
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: of his documentaries about how our politicians used to have

1136
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: a story. They used to have that they they used

1137
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,479
Speaker 1: to promise us a better future, that we have these

1138
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: policies that are going to make our lives better. But

1139
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: today it's essentially comes down to using fear and it's

1140
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: like follow me, do what I say, or we're going

1141
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: to get attacked by terrorists. Nine eleven is going to

1142
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: happen again. And I think this you in this case,

1143
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: you can make a legit admit claim about the Western

1144
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: world becoming morally bankrupt because we no longer have a narrative,

1145
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: We no longer have a story. It's it's like we're

1146
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: not really fighting for a better future for the lives

1147
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: of our citizens because we don't know what that is,

1148
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: Like what what do they call it in the corporate world?

1149
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: A mission statement? What's our mission statement? We don't fucking

1150
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: have one. And that's a big problem. That's something you

1151
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: guys kind of covered in the isis Solution as well

1152
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeahah, basically of of you know, there's

1153
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: no um, there's no endgame. And then there's also I

1154
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: remember in that book basically saying, yeah, any company you

1155
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: could you could see what the mission of that company is,

1156
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: what they believe in with their model is you know,

1157
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: with us, it's very different. And I know that was

1158
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: specifically you know about us with isis about the war

1159
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: on terror, and we're talking about other things here. But

1160
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: I think that what you're talking about these problems, the

1161
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: scope you know, can change, but the problem remains, you know.

1162
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, people don't know why we're in Syria. You know,

1163
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: you see it on social media all the time. People

1164
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: will say, well, what are we even doing there? It's

1165
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: not our war? Why do we care about Ukraine? Yeah,

1166
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: why does that matter? And as a result of that,

1167
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, because America, you know, post World War two,

1168
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: America made the decision to be a global interventionalist nation. Right.

1169
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: Our idea was that we were going to prevent another

1170
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: World war by meddling in the business of everybody else

1171
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: all the time to make sure it doesn't happen. You know,

1172
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: and I understand, you know, your personal politics and ideologies

1173
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: may either you know, support that or not. But the

1174
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that at this stage, America

1175
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: is a global presence. You know, our navy is in

1176
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: every waterway in the world and often serving as a

1177
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: stabilizing force that most people don't even acknowledge supports international commerce.

1178
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: That's a perfect example of this sort of thing that

1179
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: people don't know that the world relies on America four

1180
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: because we have no you know, logical narrative. We don't

1181
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: have we don't have a mission statement to speak from.

1182
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: You know, when people talk about defense spending, we spend

1183
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: more money than any country on the world. The reason

1184
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: is because we're relied on by more other countries in

1185
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: the world than any other country in the world. If

1186
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: we pulled our military presence out of these regions, they

1187
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: would rapidly destabilize in a lot of situations. You know,

1188
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm reminded of piracy in the Horn of Africa as

1189
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: a great example. Without a military presence there international support,

1190
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: in large part bolstered by U. S Navy forces, piracy

1191
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: would run rampant the South China see. A third of

1192
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: all global commerce traverses the South China. See. If China,

1193
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: who's claiming sovereignty over the entirety of that waterway, is

1194
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: allowed to have their way with it, they can use

1195
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: that leverage economically to really really hurt American interests. We

1196
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: need to make sure that international waters stay international, so

1197
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: that the world economy continues to function. This is one

1198
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: of the things the American military does for the world.

1199
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: But it's seen as imperialism, you know, and that's on

1200
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: in all honesty, that's bad branding. We're packaging it wrong. Yeah, no,

1201
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: I agree. Well. And also, if you're a country like

1202
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: Russia and China, everything we do is imperialism. It's neo

1203
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: colonial blah blah blah. But I mean, we're seeing all

1204
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: of this what you're talking about, We're seeing it all

1205
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: play out right now in a very public fashion in

1206
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: the era of Donald Trump, that all of these people

1207
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: are many Americans, UM, are asking the question like, why

1208
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: are we doing this? I didn't sign up for this.

1209
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: I didn't sign up to be a global leader. I

1210
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: don't give a shit about the waters off the coast

1211
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: of Somalia. Why the funk do we have troops in Africa?

1212
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: Why do we have military bases in Germany? What? Why? Um?

1213
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: It's a serious question about world order, UM. And to

1214
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: understand that the answer of why, then you do have

1215
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: to know a lot about the South China see, and

1216
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: you have to know about the Gulf of Aiden, and

1217
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: you have to understand Rand's historical position in the Middle East.

1218
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: And you have to understand why the waters off of

1219
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: Libya are important, and you have to know they have

1220
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: a slid grasp of how they're all underconnected, right, you

1221
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And what a lot of people

1222
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: tend to forget is that the United States is not

1223
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: an empire onto itself. You know, we really we rely

1224
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: on the global economy to maintain our standard of living,

1225
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: which is higher than just about everywhere else. Right, And

1226
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: you can't rely on the planet to come through for

1227
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: you and not be involved, you know. There to be fair,

1228
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: there's there's there's reasonable and value of arguments to be

1229
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: made about pulling back some of our global footprint. I

1230
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: think that a lot of them aren't necessarily based in reality.

1231
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: They're more based in idealism. But but but I don't

1232
01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: wanna I don't wanna belittle somebody's you know, isolationist beliefs.

1233
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: But the thing that you have to remember is the

1234
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: world is not that big a place, and we use

1235
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: a ton of resources in it. You know, for the

1236
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: United States to continue being a dominant power in the world,

1237
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: it needs to continue being involved in the world. And

1238
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: when the government decides. We saw this during the Obama administration.

1239
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: The government decides that it doesn't want to be a

1240
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: dominant military power in the world, it wants to be

1241
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: a dominant diplomatic power. And when we move the emphasis

1242
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: away from maintaining that military footprint without changing any policies,

1243
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: all we do is kill service members for no reason.

1244
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: We dropped maintenance on aircraft, we dropped training on naval vessels.

1245
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: Before you know it, planes are falling out of the

1246
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: sky and boats are crashing into each other because we

1247
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: didn't reduce the op tempo, We didn't reduce the operational

1248
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: requirements were relying on our military to fulfill. We just

1249
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: started cutting the Monday money and figured out the rest

1250
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: would work itself out, like Milton and office space. Well,

1251
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: it's okay to lead with diplomacy, I mean, I think

1252
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: ideally that's how it works. Should it's all backed up

1253
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,919
Speaker 1: by the use of military force. And if we don't

1254
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: have that potential, then there's no leverage when we come

1255
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: to the bargaining table um. You know, a perfect example

1256
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: of that is in Europe. You know, there's a big

1257
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: push right now, levied in part by the French president,

1258
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 1: to start a European defense force. The Germans, the Germans

1259
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: are a big force behind that. You know, well, I'm

1260
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: sure they are, because it's just another way to people

1261
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: out by the way. Yeah you so. But but a

1262
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: big part of this is because there's waning belief that

1263
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: the US would support NATO or the European Union in

1264
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: a conflict. The reason why that's dangerous. Now, I'm not

1265
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: suggesting that we should continue to carry the lion's share

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Speaker 1: of the economic load for NATO. I'm not suggesting that

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Speaker 1: we should have all of our troops station in Europe

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Speaker 1: to protect them all the time. But we shouldn't discredit

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Speaker 1: the ridget gives us economically and diplomatically because they rely

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Speaker 1: on us for their defense. And as they grow less

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Speaker 1: reliant on us, they can also grow less willing to

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Speaker 1: listen to our bullshit. When we have a president like

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump or anybody else try to pressure them into

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Speaker 1: trade agreements, well, it's like, now we've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of leverage. When I hear people say like we need

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Speaker 1: to kick Turkey out of NATO, like Urtawan's evil funk

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Speaker 1: that country, And I mean, yeah, I agree, Urdawan's a dictator,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you kick Turkey out of NATO,

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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen there, We're gonna lose our bases in Turkey,

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Speaker 1: and Turkey is gonna jump right into bed with the

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Speaker 1: Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians and everyone. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but the thing is to gain public support for our policies.

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01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: I mean, there has to be some like level of education,

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Speaker 1: and you do have to know about what's going on

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Speaker 1: around the world. And I fault our education system for

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Speaker 1: not teaching people about what's going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as uh, you know, I think Henry Kissinger's

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Speaker 1: last book, I think it was his last one World Order.

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Speaker 1: He makes this argument about how funny it is that

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Speaker 1: America is this global leader. But it's like a real

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01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: question of whether or not we really want to be.

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Speaker 1: And we we see foreign policy and an episodic manner

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: that we can pick and choose which venues we want

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Speaker 1: to engage in and which ones we we want to

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Speaker 1: disengage in. Um. But part of it is also our

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Speaker 1: government hasn't communicated to to our public. UM. If you

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Speaker 1: look at the breadth of our foreign policy, what is

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Speaker 1: it we want and what what is the goal of

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01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: our foreign policy? What do we want the world to

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Speaker 1: look like? And I couldn't fucking tell you. I don't know. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: it seems like half of the time the basis is

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Speaker 1: to maintain the status quo, and the other half of

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Speaker 1: the time the basis is to say the status quo

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Speaker 1: wasn't acceptable. What's in Vader ran We need to shake

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01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: up the status quo? Right, Yeah, you know, it's what's crazy.

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Speaker 1: This is the thing what the Cold War did for

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Speaker 1: the United States. Aside from help us to develop the

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Speaker 1: most powerful military in the world and be the only time,

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Speaker 1: probably in American history, we ever gave a ship about

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Speaker 1: space science, what the Cold War really did for us

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: was it galvanized us, like in the face of a

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Speaker 1: mutual opponent, right, And that's the best thing that a

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Speaker 1: country can have to work together. I mean, in Nazi Germany,

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Speaker 1: the reason why Hitler chose the Jews wasn't necessarily because

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Speaker 1: he hated Jews specifically so much as it was because

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Speaker 1: he needed an enemy. He needed someone to unify his

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Speaker 1: people as an opposition. To write, the Cold War gave

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Speaker 1: us a big bad It gave us a boogeyman. You know.

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Speaker 1: Now the media wants Russia to be the boogeyman, only

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Speaker 1: because we can't help but view everything through the lens

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Speaker 1: of domestic politics. And because a lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, Russia has got to be the bad guy.

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Speaker 1: We can't be the bad guy. Yeah, we absolutely, we

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Speaker 1: elected him. Okay, get over it. It It wasn't Russia did

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Speaker 1: not gift us Donald Trump. And and it's foolish to

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Speaker 1: suspect hear me out. Russia's effort obviously did in part

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Speaker 1: push Trump getting elected. It is crazy to think that

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Speaker 1: their goal was one political or it was one elected

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Speaker 1: official in one election. Russia and China do not have

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Speaker 1: to play by the four or eight year election cycle rules.

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Speaker 1: That's not how they work. You know, Russia, Russian trolls,

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Speaker 1: the same roles that were involved in the two thousand

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Speaker 1: and sixteen election are now heavily involved in the anti

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Speaker 1: vaccine debate. You know. The reason is because it's a

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Speaker 1: place where you can drive a wedge between American people.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's important. The same way they did it

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine, they were and there they encourage dissent among

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Speaker 1: the populace so that they can do what they want

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Speaker 1: in the back room. And I would argue Russia's efforts

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Speaker 1: to manipulate. The two thousand sixteen presidential election were a

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Speaker 1: huge success, not because Trump got elected, but because of

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Speaker 1: the state of the nation politically that we're in today.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely know, I mean, we've got we've got the president

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Speaker 1: under you know, longstanding investigation. We've got as as a

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Speaker 1: great example, I think the Pew did a study, you know,

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Speaker 1: last month that said that Nancy Pelosi was held in

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Speaker 1: a lower regard than Kim Jong Oom amongst the most

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Speaker 1: Republican voters. Were at the point now where we think

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Speaker 1: the other political party is a clear and present danger

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Speaker 1: to our national security, but the dictator with his finger

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Speaker 1: on the nuke button isn't. Yeah, you know, there's another

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Speaker 1: study that showed that both sides think they're losing, both

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01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: both the left and the right in America. They think

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Speaker 1: the other guy is really winning and really sticking it

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Speaker 1: to them, and they're most exactly what you said about fear.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's because both parties used fear of the

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Speaker 1: opposing party, not of not of a terror attack half

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Speaker 1: the time, because you know what, fear of a terror

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Speaker 1: attack is a great way to get some votes, but

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Speaker 1: it's not a great way to get money. Did you

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Speaker 1: guys see by the way that Scotty Hughes got a

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Speaker 1: show now on RT. No no, which by the way

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Speaker 1: goes to them, you know, playing for both sides, because

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Speaker 1: they had someone like Ed Schultz pad Away. It was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a big progressive and now they have Scotty Hughes,

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Speaker 1: who was like the number one Trump defender on CNN.

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Speaker 1: I was on Fox News. It's not because Fox News

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01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: was trying to get the liberals a fair shake. I

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01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: think it's really funny. I mean in the sense like

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Speaker 1: people my wife used to make fun of me because

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Speaker 1: I would never go on RT. I would get emails

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Speaker 1: from them. This is before anyone ever heard of Donald

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01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: Trump running for president. I was like, no, I'm not

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: doing that hell now. And you know Benny would be like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jack. They they RT has some of the

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Speaker 1: best coverage of protest movements in America of any of

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Speaker 1: the outlets. And that's true. They did. They did, and

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Speaker 1: there's a reason why I think about it, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I mean Scotty Hughes getting a show on RT, though

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Speaker 1: I think that this was her only outlet. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you guys know the whole Fox Business thing

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Speaker 1: that went on with her, No, I don't. Uh So

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01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: basically what what came out was that she was having

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Speaker 1: an affair with Charles Paine on Fox Business. Um and

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Speaker 1: Charles pain like times of with him, great guy, but um,

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: so she came out and said that Charles Payne was

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Speaker 1: sexually harassing her all this other stuff, and you know

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Speaker 1: that they weren't putting her on the network because of this.

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Speaker 1: And Charles Payne came out and he was like, I

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Speaker 1: will admit I had an affair with Scotty Hughes, like

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Speaker 1: the email because she put out emails of inappropriate stuff,

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Speaker 1: he said, and he was like, the emails are going

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: to come out on both sides. Um He's like, this

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01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: was completely consensual though, and then the emails came out

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Speaker 1: of her talking about getting and getting into jacuzzi with

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Speaker 1: him and all this stuff. So like at that point,

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Speaker 1: I think American media was like, funk this woman, you know,

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Speaker 1: because she tried to destroy some man's career for a

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Speaker 1: consensual affair that was going on. And I guess the

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Speaker 1: last the last outlet that wanted this woman on was

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01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: r T. RT goes And like you know, people will

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: say who go on r T will be like, well,

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: our team never gives me any talking points. They don't

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01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: tell me what to say. It's like, yeah, that's because

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01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: you're already what they want. They go out and they

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01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: find people who are like fucking American communists, and they

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01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: put them on our day to talk mad shit about

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01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: our country. And then, to be fair, they'll find other

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01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: people with opposing views and they'll just make sure that

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Speaker 1: the person with their view that they've booked for that

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01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: show is the superior debater. It's Larry King on RT.

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Speaker 1: I know that he um. I don't know, man, I've

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Speaker 1: never seen that. I've never watched a minute of our

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Speaker 1: tea Larry King. I would not say like, I don't know.

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01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: It's pretty objective guy, I feel like, you know whenever.

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Speaker 1: But it's important that you have to remember that it's

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01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: not necessarily about the objectivity of the individuals on the network,

1418
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, a peek behind the curtain for News Rep.

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01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: I was having this discussion with some of the guys

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Speaker 1: the other day. You know, I write. I write a lot. However,

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Speaker 1: I don't write everything. You know, I can't cover every

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: story that breaks in every twenty four hour cycle, right,

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01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: So it's important to note that there's a there are

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Speaker 1: decisions being made and media outlets ours included not only

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01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: about how to present information, but which stories get covered

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Speaker 1: and which stories don't. Know, there's only so much digital

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01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: real estate we can fill every day. We can't cover everything,

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01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: so you have to make intentional decisions about what stories

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01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: do you think are the most important for the American

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: people right now? You know, or unfortunately, unfortunately, just what

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01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: are people going to click on? You saw that? You know,

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01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: a guy who graduated Hofster with me was talking about

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Speaker 1: like all this important stuff being covered for the Queens

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Speaker 1: New York media out what he was working for. And

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: then he's like some article and I think it was

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: like Nicki Minaj or Kylie Jenner like that got by

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01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 1: far the most clicks, which generated the most ad revenue,

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01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, like real news gets put to the wayside

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01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: for like, I think the article was literally like check

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: out this story where Nicki Minaj bought a wig And

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01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: he was like, this was like literally an article that

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01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: was written in like two minutes as a space filler,

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01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: and it like got ten times like real coverage of

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01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: of like kidnappings, like real news going there are a

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01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: lot of and I'm and I know them. I know

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01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: these lefty journalists who they hate Donald Trump, but they

1447
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: don't want to write about Donald Trump every day. They're like,

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01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, there ship happening. They're like, there's ship happening

1449
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: in Venezuela. I want to write about. There's things going

1450
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: on in Nicaragua. I want to write about. But the

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01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: editors of these papers and these outlets are just like

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01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: Donald Trump seven. Yeah, you know, but I guess that's

1453
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: about this a few weeks ago about how like the

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01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: fake news bias in media that everyone is so upset

1455
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: about is one by popular demand. Yeah, you know. But

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01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: the reason why Fox News is the most watched news

1457
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: networ you know, news network, is because people want what

1458
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: they're selling. Yeah, they're studying what you click on very carefully, absolutely,

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01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I pay close attention to the

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Speaker 1: traffic on my stories, right, And I regularly will write

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01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: a story knowing full well that this one's not going

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01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: to be a hit, but it's important I want to

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01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 1: get it out there. Sometimes you put them out there

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01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: because what you're doing is you're building a basis of

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Speaker 1: in nation in your readership so that you can do

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01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: some more analysis later. You know, but you can't be

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01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: in this business without being cognizant of the fact that

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01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: if every one of your stories only gets a couple

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01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: of readers, you're not going to be in this business

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Speaker 1: for long, you know. So you have to find this

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Speaker 1: balance between finding the important news and finding a way

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Speaker 1: to sell it to the readers. And I think the

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Speaker 1: media doesn't care as much about that balance. Like I'll

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Speaker 1: very much say the media created Donald Trump. I mean

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01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: because when I was working over it serious and we had,

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01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, all the major news stations on, like they

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01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: weren't really covering Ted cruise rallies, Ted cruise speeches or

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01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, um John Kasik. That's that it wasn't a

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01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: uh even time objective like news media coverage. It was

1480
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: all Donald Trump all the time. Well, this is sort

1481
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: of the Leninist argument, But I mean I've always said

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01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is awesome for the left. I mean, he's

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01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: been great for the left, and he's been great for

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01:19:55,320 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: the media, and he's been especially good for the leftist media. Well,

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01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, anytime you've got a controversial figure in the

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01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: White House, you know, and I've said this before, you know,

1487
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: if love Donald Trump or hate Donald Trump, if you

1488
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: think he's a bad president, We've had bad presidents before,

1489
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, if you think he's a great president,

1490
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: I promise you we've had great presidents before. Donald Trump

1491
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: will leave office in four years or eight years. I

1492
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: think it's kind of unlikely he'll see impeachment. Uh, he'll

1493
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: leave office, will get another president, and you're gonna hate

1494
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: him too. So and you'll you'll hate him too, so

1495
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 1: you know or or her? It's you who knows. Donald

1496
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: Trump could, however, be a watershed moment in American politics

1497
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: if our next president is also some kind of a

1498
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: garbage media personality instead of someone with substance, you know,

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01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: or I'm not. I'm not saying that I oppose every

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01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: all of Donald Trump's stances or anything. But he got

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01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: into office based on marketing his personality, not his policy,

1502
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: not his strategy. My my bigger fear, I well, yes

1503
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: that's big fear too. But my my fear is that,

1504
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, because of this, what we see is the backlash,

1505
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 1: is our next president ends up being you know, yeah,

1506
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: like like the fucking reincarnation of Chairman Mau or something

1507
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: like this, And what happens We primed the American people

1508
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 1: the other extremes. So right now, it's just like two extremes,

1509
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,440
Speaker 1: and each election is just like the water in the bathtub,

1510
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,520
Speaker 1: slashing from side to side, and there's no there's no moderates,

1511
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: there's no there's no sanity and politics at all. That's

1512
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: why I brought up a culpable. As much as we

1513
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: don't as much as we want to bring the media,

1514
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: the American people are the ones that are voting for

1515
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: people clicking on articles and changing the channel, and it's like, oh,

1516
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick it to the Libs or I'm gonna

1517
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick it to the to these brain dead conservatives,

1518
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, really, you're just fucking up our country.

1519
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: And I mean this kind of trench warfare is you

1520
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: find yourself in trenched our you know, Governor Jack who

1521
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: is slated to possibly run like him coming out there

1522
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: and saying like you know, talking about to make America

1523
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: great again thing and saying America is never great, Like

1524
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: I think it's it's pretty crazy that appeals to a

1525
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: certain base. It is crazy that there's those people out

1526
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 1: there who just like think America should split its wrists

1527
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: in the bathtub and die like that it's crazy that

1528
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: there's so many people out there like that. This guilt

1529
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: of this guilt complex that we have. I think, you know,

1530
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, to a certain extent, it's kind of

1531
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: the natural backlash after like the eighties were a huge

1532
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: economic boom, and then the nineties were all about traffic

1533
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: keepers and optimism, and then eleven came along and we

1534
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: were very galvanized for a short period of time. But

1535
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: when we started looking into the reasons behind these guys

1536
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: attacking us, you know, you're average American wasn't very aware

1537
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: of American foreign policy, not that they necessarily are today,

1538
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: and people started going, oh, yeah, it turns out not

1539
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: everything America has done has been a hundred percent on

1540
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: the level and hunky dory. It turns out sometimes we

1541
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: do bad guys shit. I would are you Jack and

1542
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: I talked about this the other day. I would argue

1543
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: a lot of times we've done bad guys ship for

1544
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: the interest of the greater good. But it's still tough

1545
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: to justify some of those things. You know, when you

1546
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: talk about arming Osama bin Laden is a great example.

1547
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: You know, twenty years before he attacks the United States,

1548
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: it's hard for us to justify that decision. I mean,

1549
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: there are Americans all of a sudden, for the first time,

1550
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: we're faced with this idea that we are not the

1551
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: handsome prince in the Disney movie. I mean Americans. I

1552
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: mean this is just when like we become criminally naive

1553
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: because I mean, in World War Two we were doing

1554
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: some ugly fucking ship I mean, we were carpet bombing people,

1555
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: we dropped nuclear weapons on Japan. Then then you go

1556
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: into Vietnam. I mean we did stuff that I could

1557
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: never condone. You know, the strategic bombing, uh dumping. The

1558
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: bombing in and of itself is basically a fucking human

1559
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 1: rights violation. You know, Carpet bombing does not discern between

1560
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: military and civilian target and carpet destroys and infrastructure. That's

1561
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: the point. And we panic when there's fifteen civilian even

1562
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: all the way back to the American Revolutionary Wars, we

1563
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: have these like very idealized visions of what happened. But

1564
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: if you go back and read like George Washington's letters,

1565
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,839
Speaker 1: like man, the way the sausage gets made isn't pretty

1566
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: and never people need to understand that war sucks. That's

1567
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: why we should try not to do it. You know,

1568
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: we're talking about this like inverse American exceptionalism, yea, where

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01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: for some reason we have to hold ourselves to a

1570
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: different standard than the rest of we're the only country

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01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: with sin. Yeah, you know, I mean every nation that

1572
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: exists today is built on the graves of the people

1573
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: who died there in the nation that was there before.

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01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, there are no great empires left over from

1575
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, the first from when mankind first fucking left Mesopotamia, right,

1576
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: So every nation that exists now is built on a

1577
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: big pile of dead bodies, not just the United States.

1578
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm not justifying this place. Population, yeah, displacing populations and

1579
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: the organized use of violence, and that that's the history

1580
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,919
Speaker 1: of humankind. Literally, you know, slavery as well, and slavery

1581
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: is ongoing today in a lot of parts of the world.

1582
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: This isn't a discount how serious America's past mistakes are,

1583
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: but we just we need to recognize that America is

1584
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: not the villain just because it's made the same mistakes

1585
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: as everyone else. Yeah, you know. I also, Alex, I

1586
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: want to get into this uh SpaceX thing with Elon

1587
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: Musk because I actually posted the video on the soft

1588
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: reparatio Instagram of people want to check it out of

1589
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 1: I was gonna say smoking a joint, but actually Elon

1590
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: Musk smoking a blunt with Joe Rogan on his podcast,

1591
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: which I thought it was funny. I thought it was entertaining,

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01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: but somehow it had repercussions in terms of the actually

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01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: smoking spaces uh SpaceX stock. And then, as you wrote

1594
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: on here um contracts that the Air Force had with

1595
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: space Action. I don't know why this should be matter,

1596
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: but it does. Well. I'll tell you why it matters,

1597
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why I don't think it should,

1598
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why I think it should. It

1599
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: matters because maintaining a security clearance that you need for

1600
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: these kinds of government contracts requires that you adhere to

1601
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: federal law. Federal law bars the use of marijuana. Now

1602
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: do I think Elon Musk smoking some weed with Joe

1603
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: Rogan is a big deal? Absolutely not. I could not

1604
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: care less. However, if Elon Musk was just a nerd

1605
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: that worked for SpaceX and went on Joe Rogan smoking weed,

1606
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: they would take away his security clearance because he's not famous.

1607
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 1: His Twitter is not verified. You know, if we're gonna

1608
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: as a country say weeds not a big deal. That's fine.

1609
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that, But we need the rules to

1610
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: be the same for someone who's Twitter isn't verified as

1611
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: that is for someone who's a good point, good point,

1612
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: you know. So I do I care if Elon Musk

1613
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: smokes weed. Absolutely not. I think, honestly, it would be

1614
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: insane for the Air Force to reconsider their contracts with SpaceX.

1615
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: It's the most cost effective way to get things into

1616
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: orbit we've got right now. However, I think that if

1617
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: we're going to ignore it, we should be talking about

1618
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: changing the rules for the E three level, you know,

1619
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: the G S five's, as well as the multi billionaires.

1620
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: Musc will be okay. It's amazing how you can be

1621
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: like too big to fail. If you look at former

1622
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: CIA employees like acting director Michael Morrell, who's retired now

1623
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 1: and former director John Brennan also retired now. Um, the

1624
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: statements a lot of those guys go on TV and

1625
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: make are illegal unless they were cleared by the CIA.

1626
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: When they're commenting about the CIA, those comments have to

1627
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: be cleared by the public. Uh, what is it? The

1628
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: p r B the Public Review Board? And then you

1629
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: know that well, because we've had guys working for before

1630
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: that had to clear things through the CIA before they

1631
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: could publish. And if so, those statements they make on

1632
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:57,440
Speaker 1: TV are illegal and the Department of Justice would prosecute

1633
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: if it was a lower ranking CIA person, But the

1634
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 1: amount of drama that it would cause to publicly prosecute

1635
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: a former director or a former acting director would just

1636
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: be a ship show, so they don't do it. It's

1637
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, well, SpaceX is a perfect example. The ship

1638
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: show that would follow canceling a Space contract over Anylon

1639
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 1: Musk taking a hit off of a blunt would be incredible. However,

1640
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: it still doesn't change the fact that the rules should

1641
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: be the same for everybody. So if we're not going

1642
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: to enforce them, we should change them. In my opinion, said,

1643
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't care. I don't I don't give a ship

1644
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: this this, you know, speaks to my own personal politics,

1645
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: but I'm very much I'll leave me alone. Guy, you know,

1646
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care what kind of porn

1647
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: you watch. I don't care what you do in your

1648
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: living room. You know, as long as you're doing your job,

1649
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 1: we're fine if it turned out, because you know, there

1650
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: was a there was a satellite that SpaceX launched for

1651
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: uh uh, the n s A last year that there

1652
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: was a whole big hubub about whether or not that

1653
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 1: satellite actually deployed properly. It turns out it looked like

1654
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: it didn't, and it didn't because no Rumman had made

1655
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: a mistake with the assembly that actually released the satellite.

1656
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: All that said, if it turned out that the reason

1657
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: why that you know, two billion dollar satellite didn't deploy

1658
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: was because Elon Musk was doing bong rips right before

1659
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: he hit launched, I'm sure we should worry about it,

1660
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't care. He's he's a part

1661
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: time ceo, you know. I mean, he's got two other

1662
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: companies he's in charge of. You know, his job is

1663
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: basically to go on Twitter every once in a while

1664
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: and drop the stock price. Well, so if I could

1665
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: segue into one last article here that I just saw

1666
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: popped up, and this is a little bit more local,

1667
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: but it's gonna start happening in just about every state,

1668
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 1: I think. So New Jersey has just written the bill

1669
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: for you know, I proposed legalization of marijuana in the state.

1670
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing and how it affects this audience.

1671
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: What they're into is that the bill would have a

1672
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: mandatory business ownership by women, minorities, or veterans. I thought

1673
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 1: that was pretty interesting. That's interesting. I don't know if

1674
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 1: I support mandatory business ownership. Yeah, isn't that socialism? Well, well,

1675
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I actually saw this article posted by our friend Mike

1676
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: Binns seizing the means of production. Yeah, you don't necessarily

1677
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: mind the idea of giving tax incentives to veterans, women,

1678
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: and minorities. I don't necessarily mind the idea of the

1679
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: sp A helping you know, smells like socialism. Well, I

1680
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: figured I threw out there, So I got it from

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Speaker 1: Mike Binns, who you know, of course, Jack, producer for

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Speaker 1: Andrew weil Coow, and his comment was mandatory of businesses

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Speaker 1: must be owned by women, minorities, or veterans. New Jersey

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Speaker 1: still hates freedom. Yeah, you know, it's and it's interesting

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Speaker 1: you throw veterans in there, and I'll be interested to

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Speaker 1: see how it gets accepted by by right leaning people.

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Speaker 1: That is true, because those veterans would be the type

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Speaker 1: of people that if it's said mandatory women or minority yeah,

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Speaker 1: they they you know, you know, what country veterans in there,

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Speaker 1: but meanwhile they're collecting their VA benefits and they're on tricare.

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Speaker 1: Falk and socialism. You know what, though, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: as I am on tricare, and let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: if you want an argument against government healthcare, government provides

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Speaker 1: single payer healthcare, tricare is the argument. Again to be

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Speaker 1: fair though, I've always argued that that is not you know,

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Speaker 1: true socialism. I I understand the argument. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're getting benefits for something that you didn't do,

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Speaker 1: you did, you know, you're just happy to be born here.

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Speaker 1: That's one thing. You We have an all volunteer military.

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Speaker 1: You volunteered your service for these benefits. It's definitely a

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Speaker 1: little bit different than pure so it is a little

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01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,839
Speaker 1: bit different. But I mean in a communist country, everything

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Speaker 1: is owned by the state, so when you work your job,

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Speaker 1: you're essentially you are working for the scare. But it

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Speaker 1: would be you know, also mandatory military service like they

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Speaker 1: have in Israel, which is definitely socialism as here where

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Speaker 1: you're volunteering your service just trade the Marine Corps. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're volunteering your service for a certain amount of money

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Speaker 1: as well as benefits. Things like, you know, you're getting

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Speaker 1: to go to college and things. Yeah. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: an incentive to join. No, it is an incentive, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's funny when people make this really

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Speaker 1: hard distinction, like I have these benefits, but nobody else

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Speaker 1: can ever have any benefits at all. But I earned

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01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 1: it because I was you know, you know, handing out

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Speaker 1: basketball's at the gym in the army for twenty years

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Speaker 1: or whatever the fucking you know, And it speaks to

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Speaker 1: our inherent need to be for everything to be this

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01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: or that black or white instead of this. Ship is complicated,

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01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: and the solution is also complicated, right. You know when

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01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: we talk about health care, for instance, a lot of

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01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: people don't realize that if you were to just switch

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Speaker 1: to a single payer healthcare program and drop healthcare costs

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01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: across the board, that sounds great for me, who has

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01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: to worry about paying for my kid to go get vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: The thing you don't remember is that, like some huge

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Speaker 1: amount of our honomy is based on those healthcare dollars

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Speaker 1: changing hands. So we've learned that Alex Hollands believes in vaccines. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and people love to talk about you know,

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Speaker 1: these wonderful health care systems in Europe. But I mean, okay, Europe,

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Speaker 1: we know they don't pay so much for defense because

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Speaker 1: they got NATO, i e. Big Bad America taking care

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Speaker 1: of them. And then in the United States we do

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Speaker 1: all the medical research that countries all over the world

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Speaker 1: benefit from, so these countries don't have to pay for

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Speaker 1: that either. So I mean, you know, and when and

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Speaker 1: when you think about like, Okay, I'm I'm really great

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Speaker 1: that it's great that this country with three million people

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Speaker 1: and rich oil reserves are able to do anything that

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Speaker 1: they want. The United States, on the other hand, is

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01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 1: three thousand miles long, has three plus million people in it.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot more difficult to establish a system that

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Speaker 1: can adequately support such a huge population across such a

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Speaker 1: huge expanse of space. It's a lot easier to do

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Speaker 1: something like that in a country in Europe that's the

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Speaker 1: as a Massachusetts. Yeah, you have some country like like

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Speaker 1: Norway that like there's like one person per ten square

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Speaker 1: miles and they have access to market economies and they

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01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 1: sell weapons all over the fucking world. Okay, good work Norway.

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Speaker 1: I mean, congratulations on your health care system. Your social

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01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: programs can be fantastic because they only need to support

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01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 1: as many people as the social programs in America do

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01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: per state, as opposed to nationwide. You know. But I

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Speaker 1: think that it is important to acknowledge the fact that

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Speaker 1: like that, for instance, when it comes to health care

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01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: or healthcare systems screwed up, you know, it needs to

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01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: be changed, but we always want change to be dramatic

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Speaker 1: and overnight, and that's almost always bad for the country. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, well you saw it with with Obamacare. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's just outright hysteria about it. Uh, you know, Grandma's

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01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 1: not shovel ready yet. And I mean I don't support

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Speaker 1: what Obama was shooting for. I don't. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to nationalized social as health care system. But I mean

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Speaker 1: we can also still work to reform the system. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we don't know that, and that's what we And the

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Speaker 1: problem is is that the way that you fix healthcare,

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Speaker 1: just like the way that you develop foreign policies programs

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Speaker 1: around the world, is like a slow burn, you know.

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Speaker 1: And slow burns are terrible for headlines, and headlines are

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Speaker 1: what our rage machine run on. You know, you need

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01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 1: new headlines every day to be piste off. But the

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Speaker 1: economy in general. It doesn't change overnight exactly, absolutely, you know.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the biggest the biggest misnomers about

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Speaker 1: presidencies is that we always credit the president for the

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Speaker 1: economy during their tenure as president, when the truth of

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Speaker 1: the matter is, that's one variable. If you would have

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Speaker 1: gone out to lunch with me, Jack and Nick, this

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Speaker 1: is exactly what we're talking about on Friday. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got a whole discussion about this and well that the

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Speaker 1: president doesn't have a lot to do with the economy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I was saying, you know. And and the

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Speaker 1: economy is such a huge you know, the economy is

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Speaker 1: one of those words like the media say it like

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01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 1: it's this singular entity with intent. You know. The truth

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Speaker 1: of the matter is is that it's a label we

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01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: throw on like this huge, complicated web of bullshit, you know,

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Speaker 1: And we we call it that because it makes it

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Speaker 1: easy to talk about in conversation. But if you want

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Speaker 1: to understand that, you have to appreciate that there are

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Speaker 1: so many variables at play that you can't even come

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Speaker 1: up with an algorithm that accurately predicts it, or else

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Speaker 1: every stockbroker would be rich. Yeah, well with that pick

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Speaker 1: up The perception war is how influence shapes conflict. Alex's

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Speaker 1: is alex Hounds dot com and that has a link

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Speaker 1: to all of your social media. Uh and of course

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Speaker 1: keep checking out. You're awesome work at the News Rep

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Speaker 1: dot com. This has been great man. As I said,

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Speaker 1: even though we had here in recently, we always get

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Speaker 1: into new territory and I think, uh, we've covered a

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Speaker 1: lot here. Pretty expansive conversation. Actually, uh at what well

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Speaker 1: an hour or in an hour and forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, guys, it's a pleasure, right. You know. I

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Speaker 1: always love coming on here and I love getting a

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Speaker 1: chance to talk to you. Thanks for letting me come on. No,

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Speaker 1: love and everyone you hate. Awesome, all right, thanks as

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Speaker 1: appreciate it man, Thanks a lot, guys, all right, take care.

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