1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, everybody, welcome to move the sticks. DJ 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: out catching some raise to start his new year. So primary, 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: backup you, nick Foles. I don't like your nick Foles. 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: Your nick Foles. After a while, longer the PVU on 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: nick Foles. This is perfect nick Foles. So after a while, like, 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: if you keep making relief appearances, there's going to be 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: a conversation. I mean, maybe maybe res should be the start, right, 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe res name should be on the market. 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: Third line, what's up, everybody? Red lewis here with my 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: man Bucky Brooks. Excited to hang out with you here 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: today because I know you've been Bucky's wild and crazy 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Bowl trip adventures. Yeah, all over the place. Not like 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: it's light. It's light. Let's just say that it's light 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: this year compared to how we used to do it, 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: because DJ and I both would kind of split the 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: bowls in half and go all over the place. But 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: we took a different approach. We just kind of hit 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: the major ones. But man, college football is crazy, it is, 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: and I had some you know, yesterday was a great 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: day for we have Yesterday I mean like New Year's, 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: New Year's Day, like that is what college football is 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be. It's supposed to occupy the New Year's 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Day games Like that's how it should be. Even the semifinals, 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: if you ask me, they should be held on New 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: Year's Day. There is always something if you go back 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: to when we were college, like everyone always talked about 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: wanting to play a New Year's that was the big deal. 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: And so you know, you think about whoever doing depending 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: on what you did New Year's Eve, you wake up 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: a little later, we recover while watching the early games, 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: and then it finishes with like the Rolls Bowl or 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl or something at night. So it was 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: it was a pretty good day. It was a pretty 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: good time. Um. I just love kind of going there 36 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: and being around the atmosphere because the pageantry of it all, 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Like the fans. It started off what we got. We 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: got Iowa, Misissippi State kind of started things off. It 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: was earlier, that was an early one, and then um 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: and then uh Kentucky, Kentucky. It was pretty good. So 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: we'll get in all that. Let's start though, where you 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: started your your trip, and that was set the Orange 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: Bowl and uh, Alabama man, just showing that they are 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: a it's just unbelievable. Like when you when you watch 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: Alabama go and kind of do their work and the 46 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: way that they I mean the way they warm up. 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: They warm up differently the other teams, Like they just 48 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: like their warm up is like a practice. It's very physical, 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: they're getting after it's very organized, as you would expect 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: on the Nick Saban. But just the depth of talent 51 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: that they have, you know, like you just see guy 52 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: after guy after guy making plays and you just are 53 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: amazed at it. And I think the one thing that 54 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: stands out, like because there's been the conversation about whether 55 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: we should go to eight teams as opposed to four teams, uh, um, 56 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: and I'm fine with actually eight, and I've said that 57 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: I think if you take the league champions from each 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: of the Power five conferences, maybe take the best group 59 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: of five team and in two at large bursts like 60 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: that's fine, But I will say those top five six 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: teams they look differently than everybody else. And it's in 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the trenches. They're big. Guys look differently. They're just bigger, 63 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: they're they're more physical, they're just different kinds of specimens. 64 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: And so unless you're a team that can quickly make 65 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: that transition and win the recruiting uh battles and get 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: some five star guys that look like those monsters data 67 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: down in Alabama and Clemson, good luck, you have a 68 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: tough time. So where would you put the spam a team? 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, it's just the best bam of 70 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: team you've seen in person. Man, they they're different, Yeah, 71 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: they're they're different because like in the past, the Bama 72 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: teams that you would see would be all defense, physical, 73 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: run game, running game, maybe one Marquee receiver, right, yes, 74 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: about we just running just kind of running down. They 75 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: beat you up, and they beat you up in a 76 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: twenty four to three fashion. This team, I mean the 77 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: skill guys they have. They have guys all over the 78 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: place running and making catches and Jerry Judy and I 79 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: mean just so many dudes they're catching. They got tight ends. 80 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: Er Smith, they don't even really throw him the ball. 81 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: He's like geez, That's what I'm saying. So like, yeah, 82 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: you think back to some of the great Band of 83 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: teams and like you can name like one prolific offensive player, 84 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: offensive skill player. Now we're talking we're talking Judy as 85 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned DeVante Smith Russ. I mean like they just 86 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: and they all contribute. They all contribute. The running backs, 87 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean like everyone coming to the you can talk 88 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: about talking about Harris, Oh, the Harrison, you know he's 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: gonna be whatever, and then johnsh Jacobs is a better back. 90 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: And then the guy who is the third guy, n J. 91 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: Harris is a monster who last year in the championship game, 92 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: he comes in makes a major contribution. So you're like, oh, 93 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: this year he's gonna be and he's kind of relegated 94 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: to scrap duty. And they have so many dudes, and 95 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: then you look at the quarterbacks. I mean, two is awesome, 96 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: but then they put Jalen Herston and he can make 97 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: a play and they can just do whatever they want 98 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: to do. And so sometimes everyone thinks it's easy, you 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: just roll out the footballs. They have so many talent. 100 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: But the way that they're able to use their guys 101 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: and you don't really hear these diva like issues about 102 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: like I didn't get the boss, so I'm going and whatever. 103 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: It it's just a different thing. He has done a 104 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: great job of creating the culture, the program, all of that. 105 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: They buy into the process, the way that they talk. 106 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: And then you go on defense, and with Quinton Williams 107 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: is just I mean, he's just wrecking shopping. You're like 108 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: Colin Murray's helmets. Still upset about that head, I mean, 109 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: like goodness, um so. And then the other that Josh 110 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Jacob's run, the touchdown run that was one of my 111 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: favorite players bull season. And then this story that's coming 112 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: from Tulsa, right and you know, not getting the nod 113 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: there and uh and just coming over and they just 114 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean, they just find a way and they continue 115 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: to get it done. But like the bread and butter. 116 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: On defense, they have guys all over the place. Um 117 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: And I'm saying that I still wish that with Oklahoma, 118 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: I would have loved to see in a healthy Hollywood 119 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: Brown play Yea. I felt like he was affected by 120 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: the leg or ankle injury. Uh, he dropped pastes. He 121 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: hadn't dropped pastes really throughout the year. That's not really 122 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: his m O. And so I would have loved to 123 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: see like him playing fortunate. I'm not saying it changes 124 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: the game, but I wanted to see Oklahoma's offense at 125 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: their best going against Alabama's defense at the best because 126 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: I want to get a true thing, and I felt 127 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: like it took them about a half to kind of 128 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: start playing. But then when they started playing, they did 129 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: create some problems for Alabama with their tempo and the 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: way that they played. But still it's too it's too little, 131 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: so late, and I think, I mean, look, it comes 132 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: down to I think there are three teams when you 133 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: think about Alabama being in the mixes Alabama, Clemson, and 134 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: then on How Your State because I do believe, Um, 135 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if this year's version of Ohio State, 136 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: but I just believe with Urban, Urban has a way 137 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: of kind of figuring out that I felt like that 138 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: would have been a good match. Have we ever seen 139 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: that match? Have we ever seen like Nick Saban and 140 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Urban the first year of the playoffs and Urban may 141 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: remember it was Zeke Elliott they beat them with KRDL 142 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: Jones And I'm already that the only so that like 143 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: because of that, I think those three teams, even though 144 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: this year's version of How Your State wasn't whatever, Like 145 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: it's almost like, okay, like all the other guys play, 146 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna just put these four teams in the playoff 147 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: every year. Now that also was that was Blake sins 148 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: as a quarterback. Yeah, it wasn't quite two h so 149 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: so so, but man, I would have loved especially coming 150 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: off the heels of watching the rose Ball and I'm 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: not saying Ohio State was the greatest, but man, I 152 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: would have loved to see just a coaching matchup between 153 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: I love to see Dayne Haskins try to sit in 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: the pocket. Does he make it look fifty touchdowns? Like 155 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: how easy? Doesn't make it look like it's so easy? 156 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: And I think, what is happening? Like we've kind of 157 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: reached the point when it comes to like the quarterbacks, 158 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: because obviously we can talk about two of we can 159 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: talk about Kylin Murray. Yeah, so where does this game 160 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: leave the Kyler Murray debate? And he didn't complete a 161 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: pass until they were down twenty one, nothing, you sacked 162 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: twice before he com or whatever. I felt like a 163 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: couple of things affected Kylin Murray, um dealing with the 164 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: hype of being the Heisman Trophy when I feel like 165 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: internally there's always the thing I want to prove to everybody. 166 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: I felt like the game was a little fast for 167 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: him early, and then they kind of settled down for 168 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: him and you can see the talent or whatever. I 169 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: think he does create a dilemma for evaluators because he's 170 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: not gonna fit for everybody, but you can't see where 171 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: his speed as fast and as athletic as Alabama is 172 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: when he took off, he chewed up five ten yards 173 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: in a hurry. Um. I just think it'd be interesting 174 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: because he is going to come in and measure at 175 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: five nine. He's me less than ideal. What do you 176 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: do with him? But he will benefit from the fact 177 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson, Baker, Mayfield, some other guys that were 178 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: deemed undersized have had success, and he is a guy 179 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: who was a tremendous athlete. It's just be interesting to 180 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: see where where he fits. And then when you go 181 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: to the other side with two of them, I think 182 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: the to a conversation is going to be fascinated next 183 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: year because two is one of those undersized guys. I 184 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: know people don't talk about it. And who is listed 185 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: at six one? Two is not six one like, he's 186 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: not six one like? Well, I mean Baker at six 187 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: ft right right. So the conversation so it is always 188 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: funy we're talking about you know the saze thing. I said, yeah, 189 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: but when we finally measure out to it, too is 190 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: going to not be what we think he is. Like, 191 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna be well, you certainly know having six maybe 192 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: they let him keep his cleats on. Well. And then 193 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: the last thing, because we're gonna dig into the Bama 194 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: Clemson National Championship preview, uh tomorrow here on moved the sticks. 195 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: But quickly, how much better is Clemson defense that Oklahoma's defense? 196 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's the eleven points better, 197 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: it's a lot better. But this game would be when 198 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: you you see how how much they missed dextral Lawrence. 199 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: So they could play, as we said, they've got the 200 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: depth to roll guys. They could they could play. They 201 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: could play Notre Dame without decks and it won't be 202 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: an issue. But Alabama and the way that they are 203 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: determined to run the ball, and they run a kind 204 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: of right at you. You begin to see you'll feel 205 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: the absence of Dexter if he's not able to play 206 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: in that game, because he can control and in my opinion, 207 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: he's a better run stopper than pass Russia, and so 208 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: they need him at the point of attack. You don't 209 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: have him. They got the athletic guys, They got Christian 210 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: Wilkins and all those other guys up front. But it's different, 211 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: and so I think that is where we may see 212 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: the Alabama Clempson game look a little different, where Alabama 213 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: is a little more intent and focus on running it 214 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: out because one, they don't want two over Lawrence and 215 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: those guys to get the ball. But two, I think 216 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: the biggest wing to Stay will see is being able 217 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: to run the ball up in the middle and then 218 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: on the outside. I think their corners I have some problems. Yeah, Okay, 219 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: And John Parker Wilson from Alabama Quarterbacks gonna hang with 220 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: us on our next episode here and move the sticks. 221 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: He does the color commentary for the Obama radio broadcast, 222 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: so he'll be able to help us break that one 223 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: down coming up as well. And you know, um, you know, 224 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves here, 225 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: but we don't know who the number one pick in 226 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: this year's draft is going to be. But I feel 227 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: like we know who the number one pick in the 228 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: next two drafts is gonna be. Oh you think you think, 229 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: you think we know? You know, we know already anyway. 230 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: I will think we think two quarterbacks, and we've got 231 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, two young quarterbacks. Trevor Lawrence, He's come on, 232 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: it's on, it's on, Let's do it. Trevor Lawrence. Would 233 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: he beat Bucky if he technically was eligible this year? 234 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Would he go as the top quarterback this year? I 235 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: think he probably would so early. And I don't want 236 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: to put the Christian Hackenburg thing on him because we've 237 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: seen him or whatever, but I will say, but I 238 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: will say he obviously you saw him. He's just a step. 239 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: You just saw him. You saw him at the opening 240 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: when he was a high school the one it all over. 241 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: He is as talented as they come. And I don't 242 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: think he's ever lost. No, No, I don't think. I 243 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: don't think he's ever lost the game. I think I 244 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: think in high school they won the state championship either 245 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: two or three years both they were undefeated. Like, Um, 246 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: he's a winner. He has um that stuff that everyone wants. 247 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: He's big, he's pretty when it comes to the way 248 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: he spends the ball. He makes those dart throws. Um. 249 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: I think the funny thing is like and this is 250 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: why I like Twitter is such an in the moment thing, 251 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, give it a Trevor Lawrence. Ye, and 252 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: then three hours later, oh to so but like, but like, 253 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: think about this the next two years. So after you 254 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: get past twenty nineteen twenty with two and you have Herbert, 255 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: you have Trevor Lawrence, well you have all these young 256 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Trevor won't be ready one. But over there two years 257 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: you just talked about all the young quarterbacks that are 258 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: coming through the pipeline. Um, it's gonna be It's I mean, 259 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fascinating it's gonna be a fascinating time. 260 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: It's yeah, well, who knows, there may not be any 261 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: room for a traditional pocket passer in the NFL. I mean, 262 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: we don't know, you know, this could be all we 263 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: could be. We could be all running triple options. I mean, 264 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. But I just think, like 265 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: the young the game is in really good hands with 266 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: like the guys that are kind of coming through, and 267 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: we're seeing these young quarterbacks get on the field and 268 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: play right away. Um, I think some of that is, uh, 269 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, a credit to the college coach is being 270 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: able to be adaptable to kind of get those guys 271 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: up to speed. And I think the more that that 272 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: happens at the lower levels, the more NFL teams are 273 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: gonna be under the gun to figure out a way 274 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: to get their young quarterbacks to play good. Okay, so 275 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: let's let's stick right there with the quarterbacks and right 276 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: there with the New Year's Day Bowls and can't what 277 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: you got on Dwayne Haskey. I was at the rose 278 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: ball about eight rows behind the Ohio State sideline in there, 279 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: and you get to sort of see the team and 280 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: how they react around him, and also just how Haskins plays, 281 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: and he is unafraid in the pocket. You see the 282 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: pocket collapse sometimes and I like how he stays there. 283 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: He doesn't get happy feet, he doesn't shift out of 284 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: the pocket. We know he's not the runner some of 285 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: these other guys are, but I love how he just 286 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: stands in the pocket and gets the ball to where 287 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: it needs to go. And he missed a few throws yesterday, 288 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: but that Washington secondary's arguably the best in the country, 289 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and he was still outstanding. I was very impressed. I 290 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: got to see Herbert and last year's bowl game against Boise, 291 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: and I know it was a different time and but 292 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: it it's the same though, because but Haskins is much 293 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: better in terms of staying in the pocket and not 294 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: getting happy feet. He delivers at this point, he's better 295 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: than Herbert, right, which which which was funny. Right. So 296 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: it was funny because like anyone who would paid attention 297 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: to the Herbert conversation throughout the fall, everyone just kind 298 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: of assumed it he would be the number one guy. 299 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: But when you really watched him, you watched him coming 300 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: off the heels of the Boise State game, you want 301 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: to see him makes improvement. And I will say, look 302 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: six six, he's super athletic, has a ton of talent. 303 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: But I watched him against Michigan State at the Red 304 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: Box Bowl and it was just a little windy, but man, 305 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: I was like man like for a high level quarterback. 306 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Even the Stanford game. Late in the game, he for 307 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: like a high level quarterback. You're like wow. And then 308 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: you're watching Haskins, and I think the way Ken described it, 309 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: it was so easy for him, Like he never appeared rattled, 310 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: He never appeared like off schedule. It was just like, Okay, yeah, 311 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: I might have missed one, but his misses were more 312 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: as anybody, they're more surprised than the expectation like everything else, 313 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: He's doing these deep corners to Paris Campbell, He's hitting 314 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: guys in stride, and I mean, I don't know. I 315 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: know he's only played like they's say, like fifteen starts, 316 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: but I think and Yesteryear like he's a prototypical quarterback. 317 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: The hardest thing that I'm trying to come up with 318 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: is what is this comparable? Like what is this cop 319 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: because it's not Big Ben, It's not. Yeah, it's not, 320 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: it's not Jamie's is not one of those things like 321 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: like who do you compare to you? And then when 322 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: you started thinking in the league, when you started having 323 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: your roller des go through the starting quarterbacks in the league, 324 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: it's like much. And so I didn't want to put 325 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: this on them, but I was like, man, the way 326 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: that he is easy and comfortable in the pocket, it's 327 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: kind of like tom Brady is. But you do you 328 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: never want to say, you never say, hey, this guy 329 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: is like tom Brady. But the way that he plays 330 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: in the pocket, I'm like, kind of it's kind of 331 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: tom Brady issue, you know, because he doesn't run, he 332 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: just he just so it'll be interesting. I can't wait 333 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: when other guys kind of way in they begin to 334 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: throw those comps out there because they're not many in 335 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: the league. They currently play like he played five hundred 336 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: thirty three attempts this year for Haskins, fifty touchdowns. Herbert 337 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: given a little different and how they do things on 338 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: off it's four hundred four attempts, twenty nine touchdowns, eight interceptions. Um, 339 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: not bad, but like so then what you would do, 340 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: like the natural comparison is he how to Herbert play 341 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: against this Washington second against the This is how to 342 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: Haskins play right? And then just because you're trying to 343 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: get a field for like, okay, this is how they 344 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: played or whatever the other guy that recently announced that 345 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: will be interesting, Uh Jones from Duke, then you're Jones Like, 346 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: so he decides to come out and you've already begin 347 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: because the numbers aren't there for him, No, but not 348 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: even anywhere near as he can run though he's a 349 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: good So then the conversation has been, oh, he's like 350 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and so didn't You're like, man that that's 351 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: putting a lot a lot on Okay, and so he 352 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: has an injury history, but he's a good kid. We 353 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: interviewed him a few weeks ago on the podcast and look, 354 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: he's everything that you want. And then you have the 355 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: the tutelage on the David Cutcliff, but you're trying to 356 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: figure out, like, Okay, what are the signature games was 357 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: he played with? Like what are we going to put 358 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: him up against? And how do we compare him to 359 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: of like the Haskins if Haskins comes out and some 360 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: of the other guys, and then the other guys like 361 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: Drew Lock had a pretty decent game um over the 362 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: last couple of days Missouri Oklahoma State even though they lost, 363 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: but you can see his natural talent. And then when 364 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: you dig into his background and you find out he 365 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: was a big time basketball player who hadn't really played 366 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: a lot of quarterback in high school or whatever, like 367 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: you spent all of his time like hooping and being 368 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: on the auth circuit and so what is this growth 369 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: potential in what could he be? And you know, so 370 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: you take all of that and you take the lessons 371 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: from last year's class because I think the thing that 372 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: I'm realizing guys don't change, like Josh Allen is the 373 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: same way he doesn't change. So all right, this is 374 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: who Josh Allen. Is we like Josh Allen? What are 375 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: we gonna do to put Josh Allen in the best? Yeah? 376 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson's Lamar Jackson from Louisville doesn't really 377 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: throw the ball well outside the numbers, die name Munner 378 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: can throw the ball inside on and breaking routes and 379 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: make plays. You look at Baltimore. Baltimore's run six out 380 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: of the last seven when you turn out the tape 381 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: is like, oh, Mark Jackson doing Louisville stuff. So as 382 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: we get down the line with all these quarterbacks and 383 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: we're gonna find the flaws, the trick is going to 384 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, those are the things that he can't do. 385 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: But here's what he came to And what which is 386 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: the guy that we feel like we can help him 387 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: do what he does the best with what we already have. Right, 388 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: but the Patriots been doing for years now, putting guys 389 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: in the best position to succeed. And the pressure, the 390 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: pressure just ramps up because now coaches have to play 391 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: young players and win. Yeah, well yeah, I mean we 392 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: are long past the time where a you know, a 393 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: rookie highly drafted quarterback will buy you three years it 394 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: may buy you three games, you know, like that. You 395 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: know we've seen that with the whole Mariota Winston thing. 396 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean both those those guys head coaches were gone 397 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: within a year. Um, so you go back even that far. 398 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: But yeah, so that that is how accommodating can you be? 399 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: And still Baker Mayfield, Baker Mayfield extends the conversation because, 400 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: like Hugh lasted, however, many games four or five, six 401 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. Baker Mayfield goes on since a new NFL 402 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: record for rookie touchdown passes. Uh, he used the write coordinator. 403 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: They kind of build it around them. They go whatever, 404 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: They go seven, eight and one, and they look like 405 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: a completely different squad. So now the expectation is, yeah, 406 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: I hear you, but we take a quarterback, Hi, we 407 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: still should be able to win some games while he's learning. 408 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: You look at Josh Allen. He finishes with a great 409 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: performance his final week against Miami. Um, he runs around 410 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: and makes plays and does all this stuff. And yeah, 411 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: they only win five or six games on the year, 412 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: but you see the potential. So it is their leading rusher. 413 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: He leads the league in quarterback rushing touchdown And we 414 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: didn't really talk about that, not enough, not nearly enough. 415 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: We didn't. We talked about him be an athletic and 416 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: oh he can make some gunsling or plays. But you 417 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: could argue that the best part of Josh Allen's game 418 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: Ricky season was his athleticism and scrambling ability and his 419 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: ability to make these spectacular throws. Yeah, and just finally 420 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: on that converse, I'm just because I'm curious now, completion. 421 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: That's who he is. He's never he's never gonna be 422 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: like like, he's never gonna be Drew Brees like and 423 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: even like when the Carolina Panthers. And the reason I 424 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: compare him to Cam Newton a lot is because I 425 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: felt like the guys in Buffalo who it came over 426 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: from Carolina becauld see the similar traits that he would 427 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: offer in terms of his ability to run the ball, 428 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: his ability to push the ball down the field, and 429 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: even though he was not going to be a six 430 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: percent pass and they saw that Cam Newton was able 431 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: to get them to a super Bowl not being that, 432 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: and they could find a way. So now you think, Okay, 433 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: give him a couple of speed receivers, give a legitimate 434 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: line running game, he's going to shorthop some throws and 435 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: you just kind of it's all those those things where 436 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: you're practicing. If you can imagine being the coach and 437 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: you call a player and you see him short hop, 438 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: you just go all right, so then we'll just go 439 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 1: to the next Like that's what he does. So if 440 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: he keeps his turnovers to single digits, they're gonna be 441 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: in every game, you know, if they continue to surround 442 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: him with some talent. And because they played pretty good 443 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: on defense life and anyway, And I the one thing 444 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: that I maybe I didn't give him enough credit. He's competitive. 445 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: He's super competitive, and I think you can you can 446 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: win with a guy who is competitive and has some 447 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: spunk to him, and he has the talent that he has. 448 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: But I just believe, like guys buy into the manly 449 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: man like he's a manly man, he's a man's man. 450 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: He will be a god in Buffalo like if he 451 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: continues on this trajectory, because I just I feel like 452 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: they relate to this dude. They love his energy, they 453 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: love hard word. If you can bust the tooth, you're 454 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: to go up. And he has and he embraced and 455 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: you see his his interaction, his interactions with the fans, 456 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: and look, he does it in his own thing, and 457 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: I think what we have to do is like we 458 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: have this this view or vision of how we want 459 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: our quarterbacks to be, and then you're just looking like 460 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: this year was all those quarterbacks are different and in 461 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: their own right, they all had success, and so you 462 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: have to be a little more adaptable and creative with like, Okay, 463 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: all right, well this guy we are. This is what 464 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna do. So, speaking of competitiveness, how about sam 465 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: elling girl last night, Oh Sugar Bowl, you were there, 466 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: you saw this dude? Tell me about him? I think 467 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: I think one like one before the lead up to 468 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: the game. You're looking at the story and you're talking 469 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: about a kid that grew up just wanting to be 470 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: a long horn Like they got those little pictures. Baby, 471 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: he got to hook the horns on and doing all 472 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: this other stuff, and you're like, man, this dude is 473 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: all in. But before you even talking about him, did 474 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: you see people go after the little Oh my goodness, 475 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: you see people like the biggest season, we're still having 476 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: a heartbeat. People just wigged out any of that. And 477 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: so I'm watching the game and I'm watching Ellener, And 478 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: the thing is like you're looking at Texas and you 479 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: can tell, like, here's the thing about the Bowl game 480 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: And I knew this and picking teams, always picked the 481 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: team that is more motivated to be there. You can 482 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: see very early with the fans, Texas wanted to knock 483 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: off Georgia because to them that was signal that they 484 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: were back. It was a big deal. Um, I felt 485 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: like Texas fans outnumbered to Georgia fans and attendance like this. 486 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: I felt like when you're just looking around, fans usually 487 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: show up pretty well, and they showed. They showed up, 488 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: but I felt like Texas had their stuff out. They 489 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: wanted to poke their chest out and it was a 490 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: big deal. And at the beginning of the game, you 491 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: could just see the intensity of the physicality, the way 492 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: they were into it. I was like, man, Texas is 493 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: really into this game. You saw Ellener afterwards where back. 494 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: I think they could be back because I think they 495 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: have a ton of guys that potentially could return. It 496 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: puts more pressure on them. They won five games this 497 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: year against ranked opponents. Um, look, the kid is is scrappy, 498 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: he's tough. He scored three touchdowns. They do all this stuff. 499 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: They let everybody move the ball all the way down 500 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: the field. They get us out to five, it's Ellinger time, 501 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: like he is going to run the quarterback power it is. 502 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: He's not t bow, he's not t bow, but it's 503 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: t bow like like he's running quarterback power over and 504 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: over and over again. And I told you the story 505 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: before we start a podcast, Like he was one of 506 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: the Leader eleven finals a couple of years ago. I 507 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: had my team. I had two uh as my quarterback, 508 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: and we end up winning the deal and we beat 509 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: his team, and I can't remember who the starting quarterback was, 510 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: but Ellinger didn't start, and we, I mean we molly 511 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: wapped him. We're rolling. I mean it's not even it's 512 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: not even close. And so he comes up and he 513 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: eat comes in the second half, heat makes run, scores 514 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: a couple of touchdown. He's like as he is competitive 515 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: and he comes over to me because we're about to 516 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: get the hat and all that. He's like, man, you're 517 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: just lucky I didn't play. And I laugh and I said, 518 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is just little cocky dude, 519 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: just kind of talking. But now you fast forward to 520 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: now and you watch him, and I was like, Oh, 521 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: that's really who he is. Like his toughness, his competitiveness, 522 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: his grit is really what he's all about. And it's 523 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: gonna give him a chance. Now. I don't know if 524 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 1: he's necessarily a pro quarterback or whatever, but I do 525 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: know he's tough and scrappy and the same trace I 526 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: see in him. We're the same trace that I see 527 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: when I look at Trace McSorley come back in the game. 528 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, what his trades doing. He comes back and 529 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: you can see how important it is to him. And 530 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: I think when we're looking for guys like, part of 531 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: what we're doing is we want guys that are all 532 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: in that we feel like it is really important. It 533 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: matters to them. And I'd say with Ellener, with those guys, 534 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: whether they ever become frontline players, you're going to feel 535 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: their presence on the field, and that's what you always want. 536 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: P J Locke uh dB from after the game says, 537 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak for the Big twelve. There's a misconception 538 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: saying the Big twelve is soft. We played more physical 539 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: than an SEC team. That's clear cut a great they 540 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: did play that. They did play SEC like and and 541 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: looking at the body types, Texas is not quite to 542 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: Georgia's level with their offensive and defensive line. A couple 543 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: of guys, but physically you could you could quind and 544 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I can see some of the size, 545 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: I can see how they do it, I can see 546 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: how they're running. I think Tom Herman after the game, 547 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: the way that he talked, he said, you know, the 548 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: one thing, we're not where we want to be, so 549 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: we have to play physical, you have to do which 550 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: I thought was In fact, I had a conversation with 551 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: my dad. I was like, what does that mean though, 552 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: So we're not where we want to be, so we're 553 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: gonna beat you up. So then when they get to 554 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: where they are, they're gonna change their style. And it 555 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: was just it was just different. But I heard him saying, 556 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: so you could tell that there was an emphasis on well, 557 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: and then in that same quote at the end, um 558 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: after after answering that question, at the very end, he said, 559 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: but that's who we're always going to be, you know, 560 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: So like he I see what you're saying. I was like, gosh, well, 561 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: so you're just gonna abandon this once you figure it 562 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: all out, and and and I think for an offensive dude, 563 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 1: that's a little different because that's more of a like 564 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: a coach from a defensive background, like, hey, we're gonna 565 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: beat you up, We're gonna take the streets and kind 566 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: of wear you out, whereas he wants to see like 567 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: maybe an aesthetically pleasing offense where it's pretty, the ball 568 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: is going all over, we're scoring like forty and fifty points. 569 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: But I think he is understanding that if we play 570 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: this way, he gives us an opportunity to win. And 571 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: I think they'll be even more emboldened to play like 572 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: that after knocking off of Georgia. Now the trick is, 573 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: I think they play L s U the second week 574 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: of the season next year. They do so that that 575 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: that that we're back, and this because Joe Burrows will 576 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: be back. And he had a game for himself. You 577 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: talked about tell me getting smack, and he got beat 578 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: up pretty good. He got beat a pretty good. But 579 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: he responded. And I didn't notice because I came in 580 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: on that game late. I didn't know that you see 581 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: have jumped out on him first three right, I didn't 582 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: know that they jumped out on him and then they 583 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: had to come back and then the like but yeah, 584 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: it's funny, like because do you cef thing? To me? 585 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: I was like, man, y because you look at them 586 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: like they can't play with those they can't play with 587 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: those big teams. Kind of kept hanging around though, right 588 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: and and then you wonder, man, if they had their 589 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: cour if Mackenzie was there, then what see because I 590 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: saw them the year before I was at the Peace 591 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: but when they beat up Auburn and I was like, 592 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously playing they got to plan around with him. 593 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: And then you look at this game and you feel 594 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: like l s U is dominating because everything says the 595 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: numbers on the bag like man, they're a touchdown away 596 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: from and L s U was down, you know great 597 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: like some of the guys play and um yeah, so 598 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: that is a good conversation and probably one for another day. 599 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, losing, you know, on that stage probably doesn't 600 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: help the whole you know, where national champions talking, No, 601 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: But but the fact that they were competitive, I think 602 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: it kind of makes it well, it makes you think. 603 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: It makes you makes you think and maybe maybe the 604 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: next time if they're close when it comes to playoffs, 605 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: that left because they have played to sec teams in 606 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: bowl games and have been able to win and then 607 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: hold their own Yeah, maybe the perception begins to change 608 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, So I got a couple of 609 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: observations that I had just watching, you know, kind of 610 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: the entirety of bowl season. If I'm gonna open the 611 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: floor to you for a thing, it comes up. Um, 612 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: So let me ask you something watching the Kentucky game yesterday. 613 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: Is there gonna be a Josh Allen drafted higher than 614 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: last year's Josh Allen? Maybe so, because he put on 615 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: the show three sacks against Vince Day kicked to man, 616 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: he was. He was all over the place and when 617 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: you watch him run around and the way that he 618 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: makes movements. Talking about the Kentucky line Kentucky linebacker Josh Allen, Uh, 619 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: he may be the guy that jumps up the boards 620 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: more than any of the prospect in terms of how 621 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: he started at the beginning of the season to how 622 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: he's going to seven seven sacks last four games, did 623 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: it on a major state against Penn State. And you 624 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: can see the athleticism. You saw the ability to kind 625 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: of change directions, his hand skills. Um, he's an interesting 626 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: guy and he plays so hard. Older is NonStop. You 627 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: have to like him. And also other game you gotta 628 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: like the running backs now he sw I mean when 629 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: they needed him, he put yeah, he put him, he 630 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: put them on, he put him on his back, made 631 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: some plays, ran the ball. Uh. The thing with running 632 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: backs now though, you have to be able to go 633 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: back and say, can they impact the passing game? Because 634 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: the guys that we were seeing that have been taken 635 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: up top the last couple of years, with exception of 636 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: Leonard four Nette and now the things are out about 637 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: den look for net but Zeke Elliott, Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Kamara, 638 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: uh see Kawan Barkley, they all have been able to 639 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: be significant, significant contributors in the pasting game catching the 640 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: ball out the back. Yeah. Um so, okay, a couple 641 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: more from me and this one this you know, I 642 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: remember these two guys popping out to me when I 643 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: will beat the breaks off my Hoosiers in a regular 644 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: season and then watching him play against Mississippi State yesterday. 645 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: Uh fan, maybe one of the best tight end prospects, 646 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: maybe the best tight end prospect in the draft this year. 647 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: He didn't play. But t J Hockenson, how can you 648 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: have two tight ends like that, How could you possibly 649 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: have two tight ends? Then maybe that was the Mackey 650 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 1: Award winner and then the then the best tight end 651 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: prospect in the draft didn't play. I don't know how 652 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: you get two guys like that, But I love Hockinson. 653 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if he comes out this year, but 654 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: um maybe why why not? At this point? Yeah, I 655 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: don't know if you're going to be any higher. So 656 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you have two tight ends that you 657 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: can play like fan doesn't do it, but you've got 658 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: two legitimate guys that can play. He is what we 659 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: call a y tight end, meaning a true tight end, 660 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: meaning he can block inline in the run game, he 661 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: can run like Vance McDonald to Yeah, he make he 662 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: can make, he can make plays. He can do those things. 663 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: He is not what we call like those like last 664 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: year we talked about sick like. He's not one of 665 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: those guys that's an oversized jumbo wide receiver. It's not everything. 666 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: He's a he's a legitimate tight end and it's hard 667 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: to find those guys. And then you have like technically 668 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: a former Iowah haw guye in George Goose and sets 669 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: the record. And then we always said that Stanford is 670 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: the place that produces tight end. But now do we 671 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: need to look back at Iowa at Iowa tighten? You 672 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: look at Iowa like, I mean, I know they don't 673 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 1: have Hayden frying to stand up tight end like they 674 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: used to. But uh so that was That's one. I 675 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: love that dude. That's uh he's a fun guy to watch. 676 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: And then um Monty Hooker, Uh what was the one 677 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: of the best he being the Big Ten Award. He 678 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: was the best player on the best scoring defense in 679 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: the Big Ten this year. He ended up starting at 680 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: strong safety and then gets moved outside linebacker. He's like 681 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: six one to ten. So now he he becomes one 682 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: of those guys and I think he's a He was 683 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: a true junior this year, so I don't know where 684 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: he is, but he becomes one of those guys that 685 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: is is kind of like it's kind of all the 686 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: rage now, all the rage, kind of like the way 687 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: we've seen the Chargers daily charges, use Derwin James, move 688 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: him around and drop him in the box one week 689 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: the next. I mean, just just all those things. And 690 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: so the more that you can do, and as this 691 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 1: game kind of shifts and we're seeing more people spread 692 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: it out on offense, you have to have the right 693 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: personnail to combat that. On defense, the more that you 694 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: can do the flexibility, the versatility that you display in 695 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: your background, it really really matters. Yeah. Uh So, there's 696 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: a couple of things that start to me anything else, 697 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: um that any of the guys are no. I just 698 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: think you know, everyone will talk about this draft class 699 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: featuring a bunch of defensive players, and the skill guys 700 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: won't necessarily be up to snuff. But there's some talented guys. 701 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: It's just not the front to high end talent, not 702 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: like we've seen in the last couple of years. But 703 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: we'll see a skille guy make the top five or 704 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: top two. I don't think that happens, but I think 705 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: it's the usual suspects. I think you see big boys 706 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: up front go. You'll see the off the ball linebackers 707 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: like the Devin Whites and those guys there. You'll see 708 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: a couple of dbs kind of sprinkling there in the 709 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: midst and then you begin to see the offensive scale 710 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: guys go. I think the skille part of the draft, 711 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: from my offensive standpoint, that occurs from twenty five to forty. 712 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: That's when you'll see it kind of populated with the 713 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: past catchers and some of the runners. But early in 714 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: the draft, I think it's gonna be the defensive guys, 715 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: all right. And again we'll take a closer look at 716 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: the National Championship preview on our next episode. Let's kick 717 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: it out to the NFL Wildcard weekend. Here, we're gonna 718 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: kick it off down in Houston. Rubber match between the 719 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: Colts and Texans. They split the regular season series. Both 720 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: teams won on the road. Uh. In the regular season series. 721 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Texans started their wind streak 722 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: against Indie and then in Week four and then Indie win. 723 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: Indie ended it in Week fourteen. So buck to me 724 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: for the Texans, it's how do we protect to Shawn Watson? 725 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: How do we get after Andrew Luck? But uh, floor's 726 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: yours on that one. Now, I think I think that 727 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: is very much the case. You gotta make sure that 728 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,240 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is protected because when Deshaun Watson is protected, 729 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: he's able to find DeAndre Hopkins. He's just on the 730 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: move a bunch in this one. You know, he has 731 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: to he has to end it up. The one thing 732 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: about the Shawn Watson and this will be his first 733 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 1: playoff game, but everyone and going all the way back 734 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: to his high school years, what he did at college 735 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: at Clemson. He loves the big stage, He loves the moment. 736 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: These are the kind of moments that are built for him. 737 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: I would look for him to really lean on DeAndre Hopkins, 738 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: who right now is playing like the best receiver in football. 739 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how you cover them, how you slow 740 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: him down. But I think for the Colts, the Coats 741 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: are well positioned to go on the road and get 742 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: a win because, yes, you have Andrew Luck, but I 743 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: think they're playing the right way. They're running the football. 744 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: They put multiple tight ends on the field. Eric Ebron 745 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: has become a legitimate red zone weapon. Defensively, Matt Eperl 746 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: has done a great job of um getting this team 747 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: to kind of buy into this. I mean, they would 748 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: call it the Tampa two system, but man, they just 749 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: play hard. They run to the football, They're fast and physical. 750 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: They've been getting turnovers. You have Darius Lennard in the 751 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: middle of that defense, you have Malague Cooker in the 752 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: back end. Um, you know, the no names, they're just 753 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: making plays and so This is a very, very tough 754 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: game for the Houston Texans because I don't know if 755 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: the Texans can run the ball. Like they can't run 756 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: the ball. They are playing into the hands of their defense. 757 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: And even the game that the Texans won, some would 758 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: say that that was a gift because Frank Wright went 759 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: for it on fourth down. Say he doesn't make those 760 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: kind of decisions in this game, candid Texans knocked them off. 761 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: Can they knock off the hottest team or won the 762 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: hottest teams in football? In the Coats who won not 763 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 1: out the last time. Neither of these two teams ran 764 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: the ball particularly well in either matchup. A matter of fact, 765 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: Andrew lucked through for eight hundred and sixty three combined 766 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: yards and both of these matchups. Now the Texans secondary, 767 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, not the best in the league. Creem Jackson 768 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: has been playing really well all year long, but they've 769 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: been banged up. Um. So I mean to me, like you, 770 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: you have to get pressure in this game. If you're Houston, 771 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: then they have to get pressure. And ideally they would 772 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: like to be able to get pressure with J. J. 773 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 1: Watt clowney. Um, like if they can get pressure without 774 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: having to commit extra bodies to it then allows them 775 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: to play in max coverage and prevent the explosive plays. 776 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: The thing that you're noticing about Andrew Luck, no one 777 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: is doing play action as effective as he is, Like 778 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: the averages and play action in terms of yards per attempt, 779 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: He's averaging nine point nine yards per attempting like that 780 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: is plus three over what he's doing when they just 781 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: do traditional drawbacks. So when you look at the coast 782 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: this weekend, you've noticed when they throw quick, they spread 783 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: you out when they take shots. It is full flow 784 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: play acts. Yeah, I'm excited to watch that one. I 785 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be great. Uh, I think it's I 786 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: think it's fun. When we get teams that can you know, 787 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: they get it off against each other three times in 788 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: a year, certainly puts a little strain and on the 789 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: creativity for both of the game planners in this game, 790 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. So that'll be fun 791 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: to watch later in the day. The nightcap in fifteen 792 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: Eastern Time, talk about two teams that appear very similar. 793 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: Both want to run the ball, both want to play 794 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: really good physical defense. It's the Seahawks visiting the Cowboys. 795 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: Also a rematch. But neither of these teams look anything 796 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: like they did in Week three. I mean, you know 797 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: Earl Thomas was still playing for the Seahawks team in 798 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: week Uh Noah Marii Cooper for the Cowboys back then. 799 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: So how do you see this one? Let's go round. 800 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: But you know this, this is so many interesting storylines 801 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: in this game. You talk about two teams that want 802 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: to run the ball. No one runs it more than 803 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks, no more ranked running game in terms 804 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: of percentage they do it over. Chris Carson has become 805 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: the Bill cow. They haven't really used Russell Wilson banana playoffs. 806 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: I would think you will see Russell Wilson is kind 807 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: of like the X factor in the running game. Um, 808 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: he has thirty five touchdowns that is tied for third 809 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: most in the National Football League. No one even talks 810 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: about that. So they have been able to use him 811 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: less but get more production, which is exactly what you want. 812 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: And then when you go to the Cowboys, Zeke ellis everything. 813 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott is a guy who said, look I'm ready 814 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: for a heavy workload. We saw in Week sixteen he 815 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: had forty touches. I don't know if he's gonna take that. 816 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: But then in weeks seventeen we saw that kind of 817 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 1: get kind of find his game because he played without 818 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: a lot of guys. And so this is a tough 819 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: game because seat is going to take away Zeke Elliot. 820 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: They're gonna put the game on decks shoulders, and he 821 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: has to be able to win uh in the passing game, 822 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: and they've got to be able to get exposed to 823 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: play opportunities to Mary Cooper. But this game really comes 824 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: down to me, Chris Rishard going back to play his 825 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: old team. What kind of intel, what kind of notes 826 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: does he have on Russell Wilson based on all of 827 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: those ot A practices, all those training camp competitive matches 828 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: that they do. They like to always compete go one 829 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: on one. What does he have in his bag of 830 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: tricks to deal with Russell Wilson? Because that is the key, 831 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: because I believe the Cowboys defense is better than Seattle. 832 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: Seattle has the edge obviously in quarterback play Zeke Elliott 833 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: and that running game it kind of washes out. It 834 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: comes down to turnovers and explosive plays and where can 835 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: they generate him and the Seahawks offense turns it over 836 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,240 Speaker 1: fewer than anybody in the league. Number one in turnovers. 837 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: They exactly run overs in football this year, exactly how 838 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: you want to play. And then the Cowboys win. When 839 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott doesn't turn it over, they win games. So 840 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: the premium is on, don't turn the ball over and 841 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: can they take advantage of red zone opportunities when they 842 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: do get there. They struggled with that, uh, for really 843 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: the entirety of the season. Um, so that's something to 844 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: watch for as well. But man, that this is gonna 845 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: be a physical game. Uh it's in Dallas there, it's 846 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: in Arlington's you know, it's not in Seattle. So you wonder, 847 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, does the Seahawks team bring the same the 848 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: same game. I mean, they obviously played differently when they're 849 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 1: played in front of the twelves. Um. But there's a 850 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on the Cowboys in this game because 851 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has never won a postseason match. There's always 852 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: pressure on Dak Prescott. He is subject with evaluation each 853 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: and every week. This playoff game puts more on him. 854 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: The best thing that could happen for the Cowboys is 855 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott has a big game and then it makes 856 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: everything flow easier, smoothler when it comes to that. But 857 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: I think I'm leaning towards the Cowboys win. This is 858 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: just because I believe their defense is better. But really, 859 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: of all the games, both games that we have on 860 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: Saturday or coin flips, they can go either way. I 861 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if any of those four teams, like 862 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: with any of those things, whatever the results are, if 863 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: they advanced. I think I'm figuring. I recall right, I 864 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: picked Houston in the first one, and I picked the 865 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: Seahawks in the secon get one, just because if all 866 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: of the things are equal, I think Russell Wilson as 867 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,919 Speaker 1: the edge of and that and that, and that's where 868 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: it comes down to. It comes out to quarterback play. 869 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: Like in the tournament, you typically go with the best quarterback, 870 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: and so Russell Wilson would certainly be the guy that 871 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,919 Speaker 1: gives them the edge. Um, the thing would be can 872 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: this team travel and get the same kind of performance 873 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: on their guys and how will they hold up on 874 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: the outside against Mark Cooper. I'm with you, man, this 875 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: is good stuff, really good. That was fun. That's a 876 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: good that's a good one. He don't even come back, man, 877 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: here we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah here it is. All 878 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: right man, that was fun. Looking forward to preview in 879 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: the National Championship Game in our next episode, and the 880 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: Sunday wild Card weekend matchups. As always, check out NFL 881 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: dot com, MTS video, YouTube, Baffle podcast, leave a review, 882 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: do the whole deal U download m TS and we'll 883 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,399 Speaker 1: see you and next time. All right, buck Freemen where