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Speaker 1: with I our radio. All right, Clayton, you and I

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Speaker 1: and so you and I have to to really pull

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Speaker 1: all our opinions out. You mentioned in our last episode

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Speaker 1: more positive towards these situations. I can't wait. We need

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Speaker 1: to Ashley and I. You know, um, we sometimes do

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Speaker 1: get too critical because we that you know, that's where

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Speaker 1: our opinions lie is in the critical pieces, not maybe

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Speaker 1: in the positive. And so I'm really excited for this.

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Speaker 1: But we open up this episode in Budapest. I thought

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Speaker 1: it looked beautiful, Clayton, absolutely gorgeous. In fact, I don't

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Speaker 1: do it very often when I watched the show, but

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Speaker 1: the first scenes I was like, WHOA, this place looks amazing. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it was. Of course, the most places that the show

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Speaker 1: goes are absolutely broad taking, right, I mean, they're not

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Speaker 1: you know, as the contestant or lead, you're you're walking

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Speaker 1: this this environment? Um? And and it just puts you

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Speaker 1: in this elevated positive mood. Uh and you just you're

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Speaker 1: happy with everyone that's around you, and you're like, let's

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Speaker 1: and I want this to never end. And then it

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Speaker 1: numbers are dwindling And what started at thirty is now six.

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Speaker 1: Uh And yeah, that's that was where um as we

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Speaker 1: of people or individuals start to start to want, like

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Speaker 1: start to get a little nervous and a little maybe insecure,

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Speaker 1: and think this an incredible environment, This is awesome. But

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Speaker 1: like there's not many people around here anymore when I

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Speaker 1: look around, So things are getting real. Um And I

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Speaker 1: think we saw a lot of the reality of um

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Speaker 1: what happens when things start getting serious. That's that was

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Speaker 1: last night's episode. How are there so many perfect places

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Speaker 1: to fall in love? In fact, every place we've been

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Speaker 1: to this season has been the perfect place to fall

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Speaker 1: in love is perfect. It is perfection that common well,

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Speaker 1: I feel like society expects perfection to be common, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we expect it at all points, like especially on TV. Right,

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Speaker 1: everyone wants to see the perfect date and and and

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Speaker 1: have the individuals say the perfect lines. It's just not

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Speaker 1: real though it's not it's not realistic. But um yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you watch like all these environments, where where where

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Speaker 1: the cast and the lead go. I mean, how again,

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Speaker 1: I think you get overwhelmed by the environment, that everything

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Speaker 1: bit more special, um and and so. But then you realize,

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Speaker 1: the supermarket because I can always return to a supermarket

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Speaker 1: the next day, right, for the next twenty years of

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Speaker 1: my life. But I can I return to these extravagant

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Speaker 1: locations from the show. No, not so much, No, not

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Speaker 1: at all. Well, greers back. She is quarantined successfully from COVID.

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn is ready to take the next step in their relationship.

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Speaker 1: She seems very excited for what is to come, and

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Speaker 1: obviously Hometowns is next week. So there is a lot

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Speaker 1: kind of guide us through the opening here. You know,

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Speaker 1: Zach is obviously feeling the pressure, right, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: the process of trying to find your person? One thousand

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Speaker 1: percent there's more pressure to it. I mean think in

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Speaker 1: I have another individual who sidelined. How do I make

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Speaker 1: why in the world that Zack just not say Greer, hey,

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Speaker 1: It's not worth it for you. Yeah. You know. My

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Speaker 1: implying I have these stronger connections. Well, and and let's

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Speaker 1: the stage for the things I've criticized Zac for, some

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Speaker 1: of the things the public has criticized Zac for, but

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Speaker 1: if somebody, it's a certain way, loses their temper, that

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Speaker 1: say everything he's feeling right now. Well, because you know

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00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: that every word you say is going to be recorded

429
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: and it's going to be put out there, and you

430
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: feel you to be cautious because this is the dynamic

431
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: that I don't think many people that you know, viewers

432
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: of the show realize when you date multiple individuals, unless

433
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: anyone else has had sperience of that. I never did

434
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: multi people at once. Um so, but when you do that,

435
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: you realize that that word will travel back world, word

436
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 1: will get back to other individuals. And so if I

437
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: say this, what is going to be the ramifications of

438
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: making this comment? And I think I think he hit

439
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: the nail on the head. It definitely felt like he

440
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: wanted to say more, but he was his head at

441
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: the same time thinking if I say this, what is

442
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: going to be the ramifications? What are the other women

443
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: that are still here if they if it gets back

444
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: to them. Then I said this, what is it going

445
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: to do to those connections? Um? And so this this

446
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: withholding uh is due to the external factors and the

447
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: other play you know, other individuals in the equation. Um

448
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,239
Speaker 1: and and yeah, yeah, great, great pick up on that,

449
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: because I doubt when you say that, I think the

450
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: same thing. I'm like, yeah, I know. He wanted to

451
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: say more, but he was cautious because he thought this

452
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: could end up if I say this and things change

453
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. Um, yeah, who who Like? Then

454
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: then am I gonna have to answer to this down

455
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: the road Because he's watching the show right now with

456
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: all of us, right, Yeah, as is if he's with somebody,

457
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: they're watching it too. So this is where he probably

458
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: in that moment thinking if I say this, you know

459
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: this many months later, if I'm with somebody, this person

460
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: could see it, and then they're gonna say, well, you

461
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: didn't explain, you didn't tell me about that, So what's

462
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: this about. So it's it's it's I don't want to

463
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: say calculated, but it just cautious. Yeah, and you're right,

464
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: I think he had that. Yeah. You have to kind

465
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: of be both. You have to be a little calculated

466
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: in what you say and don't say, and then you

467
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: have to be cautious. So also, I always think it's

468
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: interesting to watch this week's episode because what viewers don't

469
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: know and see is that we're halfway through filming at

470
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: this point, and so Zach is also sitting there and

471
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: the women are sitting there going, Okay, we've been here

472
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: a long time. It feels like, right, we've this has

473
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: been a month of a journey and we're only halfway through.

474
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: Now it does feel like we've really narrowed it down

475
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: to only four women in hometown start by Hometowns is

476
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: the second half of filming for the show, and so

477
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: they all know there's a lot of time left and

478
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that can happen in this

479
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: amount of time. And now after Hometowns you start spending

480
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: a lot of time which each each of the people left.

481
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: And so there's also that in the back of your

482
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: mind where're like, hey, this feels like we're a long

483
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: ways off, like from the beginning, but we're only halfway done.

484
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: And from a viewer's perspective, you're like, no, there's down

485
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: to four. We only have you know this many episodes

486
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: left but these episodes now take longer to film, and

487
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: so there's a lot more time and a lot more

488
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: dates and a lot more experiences. So that's on the

489
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: back of your mind too, probably as a lead. That's

490
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: such a great point that needs to be emphasized, is yes, everyone,

491
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: from a if you look at it from a show

492
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: number standpoint, you're like, we're almost at the end of

493
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: this whole journey. But the reality is you're kind of

494
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: at the halfway point in the from a like from

495
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: within that environment, you still have so much time left,

496
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: and now you have a fraction of the people left,

497
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: so you those you feel that you have an infinite

498
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: amount of time now or it's not infinite, but so

499
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: much more than you first did, um, And so you realize,

500
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: like so much can happen. So how I feel today,

501
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: who knows? Two weeks from now? I know that it

502
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: seems like we're tailing on the end of the season

503
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: from a viewership standpoint, but yes, as the lead in Contestants,

504
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: it's like, now you're getting into like just a halfway point, um.

505
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: And it's really great to know that, because that's that's

506
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: the mindset you have, is there's still so much time left. Um,

507
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: whereas everyone that's watching is saying, no, that was not

508
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: we got three, three or four episodes left. You better

509
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: hurry up and tell them you love them. It's like

510
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: again where there's there's different times occurring between the from

511
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: the what the viewers are seeing versus what people that

512
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: are within the environment are. So that's that's a really

513
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: great point. Yeah. So then we move into the group date.

514
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: The group date is now magic. Last week, you know

515
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: we did a different form of magic. Magic was a

516
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: conversation we had last week. Um, it's it's cool. There's

517
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: not a lot to me that happened during this group day.

518
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you disagree, but I'd say one

519
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: thing that came up for me was I never had

520
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: a group date that I can remember so much emotion

521
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: happening on. I did have one in in the Bahamas

522
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: where I think I focused on like my favorites more

523
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: than everybody else, and everybody kind of picked up on that,

524
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: and I thought I was going to lose half the

525
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: cast during one evening which I had that was very stressful. Um,

526
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: but that was emotion for a different reason. This this

527
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: group date, for as goofy as I would say, it

528
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: is with the magic stuff. It felt like women took

529
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: it very serious and like really right into it. Yeah,

530
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: well okay, so this is the thing. I mean, I

531
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: don't know. As as a viewer, I was a little

532
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,239
Speaker 1: skeptical of the magician man. I thought, come on, I

533
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: guess he actually putting the hearts on their hand. Is

534
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: he actually getting the words that are in their head?

535
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: I will say this, Let's just let's just say that

536
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: that that was in fact all very much reality. If

537
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: this man was guessing the words that were in the

538
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: heads of these women, which what they were writing on

539
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: there were very vulnerable words, right they were They were

540
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: you could say, insecurities. So if that was in fact authentic,

541
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I would imagine if I was in that position as

542
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: one of the women and I wrote my insecurity and

543
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: I showed it, or he and he said it and

544
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: I showed it and then they matched up, that would

545
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: just start a tail spin. That would be It'd be

546
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: a trigger and I'd be like, oh my gosh, how

547
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: did he know this? Like I must be am I

548
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: showing this? And then I'd be thinking, you know, if

549
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: I was one of the women, I would be like,

550
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: is does Zach see this? And if I don't figure

551
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: this out, now, is it going to be over soon?

552
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: Like my insecurity is out there and apparently it's this

553
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: magician found figured it out. So how like I would

554
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: be just in this constant downward spiral from that point forward?

555
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: If oh my gosh, I can't believe that this must

556
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: be more apparent. I thought I was hiding it. Well,

557
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that this is so very apparent. So, um,

558
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: that's what you saw though you saw? Um, you know,

559
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: Gabby had mentioned that she was kind of Gabby Charity

560
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: was another one all of them, Cat Cat's response And

561
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to dive into that

562
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: one specifically, but um, all of them had these vulnerable

563
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: moments and then of course, like the date ends, but

564
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: they're they're just starting right there. Their brains are just

565
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: starting to go, oh my gosh, Like how did he

566
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: know that? Is this affecting me? Is this why I

567
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: can't you know, get to that next step? Um? But now,

568
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: like you know, and now Zach's aware of it, so

569
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: how is he going to respond to it? Um? And

570
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: that puts a lot of pressure on him. I think,

571
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: like Katie, I do, I can't want to bring that up. Um.

572
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: They asked if if you know, if you know the

573
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: magician asked if if if you know she was ready

574
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: to have zach me and her family and and she

575
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: said yeah, and then she said she kind of hesitated

576
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: and goes well and then got very emotional. Um. And

577
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: as we saw later in the episode, it's like she was,

578
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, she she was bothered by the fact that

579
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: she had now brought this up. And then and then

580
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, how's that going to feel about

581
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: this now that I hesitated that, you know, I I

582
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: was vulnerable, but now I'm I'm you know, I'm questioning.

583
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: And then I almost did walk away, but it wasn't

584
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: because of our connections, just because it's been overwhelming. So

585
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: that magician, man, I mean, just got into the heads

586
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: of these these I guess maybe literally as he pulled

587
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 1: out the words. But that just started the beginning of

588
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: the tailspin of a lot of I think their end securities.

589
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: And so I think that's why he saw so much emotion,

590
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: because then it became this internal struggle with each of them.

591
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: That might be it right, and we won't know, but

592
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: for the fun of the show, let's assume that all

593
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: this was very real and happening. Like you said, it

594
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: would freak me out. I don't think I would enjoy it.

595
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: I think I might be emotional just based on the

596
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: fact that this was freaky, this is weird. Yeah, but

597
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: you know it did for is maybe goofy or is

598
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: weird or whatever you want to say. It did bring

599
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: out emotion, which I do think is helpful in this experience.

600
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 1: And then we have the after party where you know,

601
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: we already talked about Greer. That's already you know, a

602
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: thing that we've discussed. But there there seems to be

603
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: this now disconnect with Kat, who has always been at

604
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: the top of my board when it comes to who

605
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: I thought you'd end up with. At the end, it

606
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: feels like this whole episode, she's telling him, Hey, I'm

607
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: in it for you, but this is hard for me,

608
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: and he just doesn't feel to be reciprocating those same

609
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: feelings any longer, which is weird for me. I really

610
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: thought that he was like obsessed with her. Yeah, well, again,

611
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: I know that I could speak on this, and I

612
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: don't know if you if you if you want to

613
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: again to go back in that situation, because you know,

614
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: with you being with somebody. It's a little bit different

615
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: to go back and recount, but what I can say

616
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: is like, I think you can start off out the

617
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: gate with really really strong connections and then over time

618
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: some people just take a little longer to warm up,

619
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: but then they start picking up steam and then they

620
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, I really like this person. They were

621
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: just um, you know, maybe they didn't come out the

622
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: gates fire, and but now I'm getting to know them

623
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: and it's starting to I'm really starting to like to

624
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: like what I see. That's that's what I got from

625
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: the impression with Kat was she came out the gates hot, right,

626
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: and they had this very strong connection. But then maybe

627
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: some end of it, women were more reserved. Um, they

628
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: started to let down their walls. And that's where I

629
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: think Zach was like, Okay, I've you know, so I

630
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: was able to get through this person quicker, but now

631
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm seeing this person. I really like what I'm seeing.

632
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: So uh, that's I just think that's where the steam

633
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: ran out with with Kat was is that he really

634
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: loved what he saw, but then others started to show

635
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: their true selves and then he that just that that

636
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: gap started to close and eventually got beyond that. So, um,

637
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: I can attest to that. There were plenty of that.

638
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean again, yeah, you look at like first impression roses.

639
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: You know. For me, it's like I had a first

640
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: pression rose game to Teddy and then um, it just

641
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: flamed out towards the end because I just started to

642
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: see more of everybody else and I thought, Okay, like

643
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see this night one, but I see it

644
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: now two three weeks out, and so that's just what

645
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: can happen in that environment. And I think that's where

646
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: Zack's making these constant decisions every time he's he's in

647
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: these environments. Yeah, do I still feel this way about her,

648
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: but I think they lost that spark. Yeah, I can

649
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: relate with that. I think more for me, I think

650
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: I had it both right, Like people that I didn't

651
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: even really know where on my season for the first

652
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: two weeks, and somehow on week five I'm like, wow,

653
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: this is great working out and then people that I

654
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: really maybe noticed on night one. Within a few weeks,

655
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe we don't have what I thought

656
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: we had. So I get that, but I'm still surprised

657
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: by it because I did think Cat was was somebody

658
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: if I I think I put my I think I

659
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: made a bet with Ashley actually about Cat that she

660
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: would be there in the final three. I'm gonna lose

661
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: that bet. Now I was gonna say't I don't I

662
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 1: think five bucks m part man, don't don't don't ever

663
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: put too much on it. Yeah, okay, So we'll move

664
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: into the park of this episode that I thought was

665
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: just really weird. Clayton that it was very odd the

666
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: Brooklyn one on one date. Okay, Gabby gets the group

667
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: day gross from that group date, she's gonna be around

668
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: for next week. U not a shock really to anybody.

669
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: But now we move into Brooklyn one on one. Walk

670
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: us through this date. Well, I'm curious what you found

671
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: what you thought was weird about it, because I I

672
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: thought it was a cute date. Um. You know, they

673
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: start off riding bikes uh and uh and are going

674
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: around the city and it seemed like it was just

675
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: a nice, care free fund date. They both seemed to

676
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: be vibing while um you know. Then they go to

677
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: the to the bathhouse. It seemed like a lot of

678
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: bathing going on in this episode. Yeah, very clean. Maybe

679
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: they're trying to cleanse themselves with the spells and the

680
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: magic and all that. But um or or board a

681
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: prep yeah, before fantasy suites or hometowns whatever. So but

682
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: they go in that they meet the couple in the

683
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: in the bath. Um was a bathtub, I guess is it?

684
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: It's called a bath houthub? Yeah, okay, Um. And so

685
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: they meet the couple and uh and they had a

686
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: nice litt playful interaction as there as they were sitting

687
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: there talking and then um, and then they went off

688
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: on their own a little bit. And I thought it was,

689
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: I guess, not weird. I don't know, it seems it

690
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: seemed pretty par for the course. I mean, I'm curious

691
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: when you say weird, what what did you pick up

692
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: on it? Because I I thought it was I thought

693
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: there was chemistry there. Again, I think this just comes

694
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: down to um. It was probably a little bit too late,

695
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: a little too late. And I think Zach really liked

696
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: Brooklyn a lot, but just UM was was looking for

697
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: that that extra wow or this is gonna change the

698
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: way I feel. Um. And early on in the day,

699
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: you see it seems like there's a lot of you know,

700
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: there's a lot there's a lot of chemistry, and then

701
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you get to the end, You're like, whoa,

702
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: what happened? All the chemistry? Will think again, decision D

703
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: day came around the corner. But but what what did

704
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: you see? Because you're you're saying that was you were

705
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: a little it was a little off. So, um, what

706
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: what did you pick up on? Well, I'm with you.

707
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: Where the date portions seemed fine. Those I even kind

708
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: of skimmed through those that like mourning per like portion

709
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: of one on ones, just because I'm more interested in

710
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: the conversation that will happen in the evening because they're

711
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: fun and they're fine. There is chemistry, um, and and

712
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: they look like they're having a good time together. I

713
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: am interested this season where like the producer said, let's

714
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: let's bathe so often and then also let's connect him

715
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: in the bathing situations with people who are like older

716
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: and wiser and have been through stuff together. Um. That

717
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: must have been a theme this season is to just

718
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: implement Zach with as much wisdom and like inside as possible. Yeah,

719
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: if they're baptizing him or something, Yeah, they're cleansing him

720
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: of all his wrongdoings. But or you know, but I

721
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: think going back to I think it was the evening

722
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: portion that was confusing to me because if we go

723
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: back to the perspective that that Zach has been very

724
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: decisive and who and why he's sending people home, and

725
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: he's doing it, you know, because he's keeping the connections

726
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: that he has, then are we saying that he knew

727
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: going into this one on one with Brooklyn that this

728
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: was going to end this way and if it's not

729
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: that and you and I want to know, like do

730
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: leads go on these one on one saying Hey, this

731
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: is kind of a make or break in my mind,

732
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm asking this person go on on one on

733
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: one at this specific moment in this time because if

734
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: it's not, like it's good and it's fine, but it's

735
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: not great yet and maybe this one on one can

736
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: change that. And if it's not, then you know, this

737
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: is my way of telling them to buy at the end.

738
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: From my perspective, I did that once where I had

739
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: somebody on one on one kind of feeling that way,

740
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: and I just we had had such a good time

741
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: together that I wanted to do it in a one

742
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: on one more than I wanted to do it at

743
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: a rose ceremony. I guess I thought maybe like it

744
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: would just be a more respectful way to do it.

745
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: But did you ever do that? Is this common? Well

746
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, just to jog my memory. Did

747
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: he got emotionally when he sent Brook at home? Right?

748
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: He did? Yeah, he did. He got flustered, I would say,

749
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: like emotional and like flustered. He he had to take

750
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: a breath, which is where I think for me, the

751
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: weirdest part of the whole thing happened where he got

752
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: up and walked away from the table in the midst

753
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: of a very heavy, a very like vulnerable moment. He

754
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: said I need to get a breath, and then he

755
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: came back and like, I just felt like that was

756
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: weird Clayton, Like, I don't know about you, but when

757
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: somebody's opening up to you on this show in these moments,

758
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: like you and I don't have the right or ability

759
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: to get up from that table, like even if we

760
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: have to send them home, like a breath is not

761
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: something that we are privy too. You have to either

762
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: lean in and be like, hey, let's like think Like,

763
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I appreciate hearing all this, and

764
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: I know that this was hard for you to do

765
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: on national television. Um, but I'm gonna sit here with

766
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: you right now and say, as much as I respect

767
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: you as a person, this relationship isn't feeling what I

768
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: thought it was. It just felt sudden, odd and like

769
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: out of nowhere to me. Yeah. So I think what

770
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: happened was Zach started having second guesses with Brooklyn. I

771
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: think I think I think Zach just my opinion. I

772
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: think Zach came into it and thought, um, I kind

773
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: of already had my mind made up with who who's

774
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: going to hometowns? Because again, like I don't think and

775
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: you can attest this going to hometowns. I knew, um

776
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: almost I was almost positive who the four would be,

777
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: but there was I was a little hesitant, um with

778
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: like the last the last two individuals, And so I

779
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: was I did have a decision to make that weak

780
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: as far as Okay, I know these these two arena

781
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: are gonna definitely be there, but what about the third individual?

782
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um. And So what I think happened

783
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: was Zach went into that date thinking I'm gonna have

784
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: fun with her, but like I'm not. It's just there's

785
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: not enough here. And we're going to you know, have

786
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: to move on. And then what happened I think is

787
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: he started the second guess and and stepped aside and thought,

788
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, like maybe I do want her to

789
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: go to hometowns. But then he steps aside, And of

790
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: course you can't say this to her, but he probably

791
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: step aside and think, Okay, now if I'm if I'm

792
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: second guessing, and she's going to make it to hometowns,

793
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: then who's not going to make it to hometowns? Now?

794
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: So I had this list, you know, this, these these

795
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: these four individuals. Now, I'm I might plug her into

796
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: Who am I going to pull out of that spot?

797
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: So that's what I think might have happened to him. Um,

798
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: And I'd love to hear, you know if if you

799
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: had a similar situation I did, between bringing um, whether

800
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: I was going to bring Serene to um, you know,

801
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: or to hometown or no, sorry, I'm going on, I'm

802
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: a week ahead here, um, whether I was going to

803
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: I think it was between Teddy and Eliza um to

804
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: bring them to like my hometowns. It was. It was

805
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: I was back and forth between do I bring one

806
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: of those two and some of my in my final

807
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: four I don't bring UM, and you start to realize,

808
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: like some of these individuals I would be proud to

809
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: like meet their family and have them meet mine. So

810
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: it can become overwhelming as you get in this situation

811
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: where you're like and standing in front of me right now,

812
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: I can see a future with you, but I have

813
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: other people involved. I think he just had second guesses

814
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: and um, and that's where he bird. So m I

815
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: know because I've I was. I felt that similarly. But

816
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: did you ever did you ever have that or did

817
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: you feel that? Yeah, you went into it and you're like,

818
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: I know this is where I'm at with each of

819
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: these people, and after the date, your your opinion was validated.

820
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: Or did you ever have those moments where that the

821
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: date caused you to make a one a D and

822
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: flip the script. Sure, make a one a D and

823
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: flip the script. Definitely, Uh, dates, one of the ones

824
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: especially were always big for me. I think with this situation,

825
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: UM and I could be and you know it was.

826
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: It never happened to me in my life where I've

827
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: gone on a date and somebody's been vulnerable with me

828
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: about like real life stuff and that's that's like made

829
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: me less confident in my relationship with them, And it

830
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: felt like here and she's opening up and telling him

831
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: all these things and if he had any questions in

832
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: his mind. In my mind, I'm going, if I was

833
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: at all interested in this girl romantically, her telling me

834
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: her life story and the way that she is would

835
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: make me feel even closer to her, because she obviously

836
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: cares to share this with me. And so I'm just

837
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: confused on at what point during this conversation something hit

838
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: his head where he's like, Yeah, I'm not into this anymore.

839
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: Like this this out has the script has changed, and

840
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: now I'm less confident in our relationship than I was

841
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: before because all she's doing is deeply expressing the pains

842
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: and the struggles of her childhood and what's led her

843
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: to where she's at today. And then all of a sudden,

844
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: he goes, I need a breath, come back and breaks

845
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: up with her, and I'm going, that never happened, That's

846
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: never happened to me on the show or in real life. Yeah,

847
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: I think people I kind of called me out for

848
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: doing things similar, So I guess I can speak to

849
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: this a little bit. Maybe I don't know if you

850
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: want to call it, yeah, lack of empathy. I think,

851
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: what what ends up happening? What happened in my mind

852
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: in those moments when someone shared something and people go,

853
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: he's not crying or he's not consoling them. He seems cold.

854
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: You know why is this? It's because you know I

855
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: had either already felt that pain, like I had already

856
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: lived that as far as like the breakup, I'd already

857
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: lived that experience, like I had struggled behind closed doors

858
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: and was like, already made this decision in my head's

859
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: already felt this pain. So you didn't. So because I

860
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: had to make this decision because there's other people here,

861
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: and so these are the individuals. Don't I want to

862
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: move forward with this person? I can't. So there's this

863
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: closing off and shutting down and it's not it's something

864
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: that again I think, is it a lack of maturity?

865
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. It depends on the individual, but for me,

866
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: it was lack of maturity. But you when you make

867
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: this decision, you shut down. You go, Okay, I made

868
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: my decision, and I can't allow myself to be emotional

869
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: because I may make an emotional based decision and rationally speaking,

870
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: I've made this decision to end things with this person,

871
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: so I have to shut down the emotion. I have

872
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: to just cut it off right here. I cannot allow

873
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: it to drag on. And I think that's that's again

874
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: me giving the benefit of the doubt to Zach. And

875
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: of course, like his whatever he says is what I would,

876
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: I would choose to believe as far as how he reacted.

877
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: But my thought is that he was like, I just

878
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: made this decision and like I'm getting to emotionally invested.

879
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: I have to protect myself because I'm afraid I could

880
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: make an emotional based decision and maybe possibly keep her

881
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: around or like get tied up and then give a rose.

882
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: And now all of a a sudden, okay, if I give

883
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: a rose in this moment out of emotion, now what

884
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: about the other people that I already made a decision on.

885
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: I just it's just never cut and dry. I guess,

886
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't, I know. That's my thought is maybe he

887
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: just felt like I have to shut this down, and

888
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: he closed off, and I was like, this is done,

889
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: this is over. And yes, he could have been more

890
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: consoling and could have been more caring. Um, But sometimes

891
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: I think we maybe I'm not gonna say it just

892
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: as men, but sometimes we can just shut down and

893
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: when it's done, it's done, and we're just we just

894
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: are like I have to this is it, This is it.

895
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to open this back up. I think

896
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: it goes to our two points. One. I might think

897
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: that Zach has the worst timing, not to his fault,

898
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: I think he just has like like there's many situations

899
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: now where either his timing and like how people are

900
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: expressing themselves to him, and when he's already decided what's

901
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: going to happen might be the worst I've ever seen

902
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: on this show, Like he might just be getting like

903
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: I bet he's laying in bed at night because I

904
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: remember these thoughts being like goodness gracious, Like I can't

905
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: seem to like catch a break here, Like every time

906
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: I've made up my mind, which is hard to do

907
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: in itself, to say, somebody home that you respect and

908
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: care about. They're also using that time to like really

909
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: pour themselves out to about their life, and then I

910
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: have to end it like send them home like that

911
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm guessing at some point and maybe when we get

912
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: them on the podcast, I can ask them like, how

913
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: many nights had you spend going goodness? I can't catch

914
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: a break like this. There's not been one easy one

915
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: ear well and two I'll say this that something just

916
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: popped up my head. There was somebody that opened up

917
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: on the show to me. They got very vulnerable. I

918
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: was going to send them home that night, but I

919
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: didn't because they got very emotional and vulnerable, and I

920
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: was like, I cannot send them home right now. I'm

921
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: going to keep them a little while longer. And that

922
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: came back to bite me. They ended up starting up

923
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: some drama in the house. They ended up like I

924
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: also just was like my opinion, my feelings on them

925
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: didn't change. I still was like I need to send

926
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: them home, so it wasn't fair to keep them longer.

927
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: And so this is this is what happens where it's like,

928
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I did I kept some around and say, Okay,

929
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold on to them because I can't. I

930
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: can't break things off right now as they're opening up

931
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: to me. What ended up happening. I kept them around longer.

932
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of backfired. They they started to throw up

933
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: some drama in the house and then uh, and then

934
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: I also just kept them around, knowing I was going

935
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: to send them home, like my feelings didn't change, and

936
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: that's not fair to that person right to just like

937
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: make them think, oh, I said another night, there's a

938
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: chance when it's like, no, I kept you because I

939
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: didn't want to, like, as you're opening up to me

940
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: to say, oh, well, thank you for sharing that, and

941
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: I really feel for you, but I can't give you

942
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: this rose. So it's just like a really weird had

943
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: a hard environment because again, in the real world you

944
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: could just maybe wait a few days and pass off,

945
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: but in this environment, it's like you've got other people involved.

946
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: So okay, if you keep this person around, what's gonna

947
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: be the what's the cost, right, what's the cost to

948
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: doing that? Yeah? Well, either way, it's a shocking breakup. Um,

949
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, no matter how you look at it, it

950
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. It was surprising. And so we

951
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: end this episode Clayton U with Aerial ABBY eighty charity

952
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: keeping roses going to hometowns. Cat is asked to go

953
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: home again. We've already talked about kind of how I

954
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: feel about that that it is shocking, it is emotional,

955
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: it was unexpected, Clayton. We have headlines to break down,

956
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: and so let's jump into those now. But before we do,

957
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: do you have a let's say now, because there's only

958
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: four left, a top two that you really think will

959
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: be there at the end for Zach and then and

960
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: then I want to know who do you think will

961
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: be the next Bachelor? Who? What season are you gonna

962
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: go on? Nobody wants me to come back. That'll that'll

963
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: be a jump scare if they see my my head

964
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: pop out the limo of it like round round three,

965
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: third times a charm baby, let's do it. Um. So

966
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: I think Katie is in there, no doubt. I'm gonna

967
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: say Katie Gabby. UM. I think those two are definitely UM,

968
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: I think those are the final two. I just survives.

969
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: I got um, I think, and so we'll see I

970
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: guess if I'm If I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

971
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: So that's what's your final two? I would say, your

972
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: your spot on? UM, I don't know. I'm Abby, Um

973
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: in Charity are right up there together with me, like

974
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: I think I think they're the I think they're the

975
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: three right now with Katie that I would say could

976
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: be there. Then I think Cat's the next bachelorette. I

977
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: think it's. I think it's very clear to me that

978
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: she will be the next bachelort I bet they announced

979
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: her very soon. Um, okay, I guess you're just yeah,

980
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: you're not paying attention to or you're not looking at

981
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: all the chatter online and others certain people that think

982
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: other people maybe it's I've heard, I've heard it could

983
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: be possibly Charity, but I don't know. I mean, I well,

984
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: we don't know if she's gone or not. She I

985
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: view with Zach, so I can't even put her in

986
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: the right you're right, you're right, you're right. Yeah, Yeah,

987
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess yeah, one thing is for sure,

988
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: as you can't trust what you see online, and I

989
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: think in these final four, I could see any of

990
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: them buying for that spot. So um, who knows. I

991
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: guess we just I'll just wait and see. As opposed

992
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: to just spout o my mouth off, well for who

993
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: we know has been not with Zach at this point,

994
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: because I don't know, and I don't read spoilers, because

995
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: that makes this show, in this job very hard to

996
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: not say things that are that I know already. I

997
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: think Kat has to be up there and then we'll

998
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: see how the weeks go on. Well, we're jumping in

999
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: the headlines. The first headline is about you, Clayton. We've

1000
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: already talked about it in our previous episode, catching up

1001
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: with you, about your time with Rachel and being with

1002
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: her and the almost famous family in California. It's great

1003
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: to have you, there's a lot of fun. Thanks for

1004
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: doing it. And if you want to read about Zach's

1005
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: or about Clayton's time with Rachel, you go back and

1006
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: listen to last episode. But our next headline is about

1007
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: our current bachelor, Zach. Zach responded to all the backlash

1008
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: over that tense Zoom date with Greer. Now we spoke

1009
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: a little bit about his relationship with Greer. This is

1010
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: what Zach says Clayton watching it back, I completely empathize

1011
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: with her, Zex said. I think she was really just

1012
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: trying to connect and relate with me when I had COVID,

1013
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: and really I was just already frustrated with everything kind

1014
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: of you know, going on. You know, I definitely could

1015
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: have delivered my sentiment and a lot more of a

1016
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: respectful way, in a calmer way. It was just one

1017
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: of those conversations. That was just off, no excuse, He says,

1018
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: I should have responded better. So I totally, totally, one

1019
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: hundred percent get where she's coming from. What do you

1020
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: think of that? I think, you know, based off of

1021
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: his response right there, I can forgive him for that

1022
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: and say, hey, that's that's that seems like a sincere apology.

1023
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: And I agree with what he said. He could have

1024
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: done it better, He could have he um. I think

1025
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: she was trying to relate to him, and he kind

1026
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: of minimized her her feelings in that moment of saying,

1027
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: you know what you're going through is when I'm going

1028
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: through at all. Um. But again I also think that

1029
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, he was he had COVID, he was away

1030
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: from the women. He was probably stressing out if I'm

1031
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: losing time and I need this time to be able

1032
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: to find my person. And so I think he let

1033
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: his emotions just get a little bit involved and and

1034
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: and and interject um and and and in a high

1035
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: pressure environment. Again, like I see, I could see that

1036
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: that's where it got the best of him. I think

1037
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: he could have handled it better, But he said that

1038
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: as well. So my thought is is, all right, Zach,

1039
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: you you felt you could handle it better. You said

1040
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: that you looked, you washed it back. You see where

1041
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: she's coming from, and you realize where you made a mistake.

1042
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: All right, forgiven, That's simple. So that's that's how I

1043
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: feel about it. But what I don't know, what are

1044
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think it's always good

1045
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: to admit when you're wrong. Well, Clayton, I've never made

1046
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: this a secret on this show. I have a job

1047
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: that I really want. I've never asked for a job

1048
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: from the show. I've never begged for a job from

1049
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: the show. But I've been asking now for two years

1050
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: for this job. I think it would be my dream job.

1051
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: I never knew I wanted it. But here's the headline,

1052
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: Sexy Seniors look for TV love Everything in a note

1053
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: about The Bachelor's Senior spinoff. The ABC reality show will

1054
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: feature older lovers for the first time. Here's the article.

1055
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: It says this, this is not my own words, pack

1056
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: the bing gay and Little Blue Pills. The Bachelor producer

1057
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: Mike Flie announced via Twitter that the long awaited, long awaited,

1058
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: two years I've been saying, Clayton, please ABC just give

1059
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: me an interview like I would love this show. I

1060
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: would love to just be a part of it, like

1061
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: I'll be the guy to pass out being gay in

1062
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Speaker 1: blue pills. I just want to be around. I'm not

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Speaker 1: asking you to host it, that's a big ask. I

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Speaker 1: just want to be there. The Golden Bachelor is coming,

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Speaker 1: he tweeted, so you know we can. We've been waiting

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Speaker 1: for this. Mike Flis has been teasing this m as

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Speaker 1: I said, for a long time. Sounds like actually happening,

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Speaker 1: which is very exciting. So we don't need to go

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Speaker 1: too much into detail on this. It's just now feeling

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Speaker 1: like more official than ever. It sounds like something I

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Speaker 1: want to be a part of. And beyond, are you excited?

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Speaker 1: Will you watch a senior Bachelor dating show? I think

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Speaker 1: it would be fun because individuals at that stage of

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Speaker 1: their life, they've lived a lot of life, They've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of experiences. They've they've learned their strengths, there's

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Speaker 1: their weaknesses, and then and more than ever, they're not

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Speaker 1: finding themselves. They've probably found themselves. I'm not saying like

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Speaker 1: they've all got it figured out, but um, currently you

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Speaker 1: have a lot of individuals that are in there early

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Speaker 1: to late twenties that are still figuring out what they

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Speaker 1: want in life. And so I don't think you'll have

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Speaker 1: that dynamic and said, you'll have someone that really knows

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Speaker 1: what they want. They got no time to bs, you know, around,

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Speaker 1: beat around the bush, so like, hey, I'm here and

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Speaker 1: I'm ready for um. And so I think that'd be

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Speaker 1: exciting because it'd be a different dynamic. I mean, gone

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Speaker 1: would be the days of you know, we wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: to question if people were there for the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 1: And because I don't know if many, um you know,

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Speaker 1: seniors that are looking to be Instagram influencers. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that that wouldn't be a dynamic, but it'd

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Speaker 1: be fun to watch. And um, I know that they'll

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Speaker 1: bring on some some some you know, probably really fun personalities.

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Speaker 1: And they had someone pop out on my my limo

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Speaker 1: and she she came out and she was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not actually here for you. They tease it, and then

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Speaker 1: she got like, hey, you don't gotta get back in

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Speaker 1: the lad Now I know the articles that she was

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Speaker 1: sixty three. I said, where I said, oh, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: like you can stick around. I like I like older women.

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Speaker 1: So uh no, I think it would be a fun show. Um,

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Speaker 1: and there'd be so many different dynamics of play that

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen because individuals at that stage of their

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Speaker 1: life just I think, operate a little bit differently than

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Speaker 1: individuals in the early twenties UM to mid twenties. So

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Speaker 1: you would you it would be fun and I probably

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Speaker 1: would tune in. Yeah, I'm pumped. I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the greatest show ever. I think there's so much

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Speaker 1: to this that I would love. So we'll see if

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Speaker 1: it happens. It's being teased to happen, Clayton. That's all

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Speaker 1: we got today. Thank you again for doing two episodes

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Speaker 1: with us this week. Obviously, Episode one is catching up

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Speaker 1: with you. Episode two we're breaking down this week's episode

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Speaker 1: of The Bachelor Come back soon Filling anytime. It's been

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Speaker 1: a blast getting to talk to you and getting your opinion.

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Speaker 1: It means a lot that you took this time to

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Speaker 1: do this. Here's how we close out every episode, Clayton,

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Speaker 1: so just follow my lead. This has been another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Almost Famous Podcast. Until next time, I've Been Been,

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Speaker 1: I've been Clayton, Great job, buddy. Follow the Ben and

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Speaker 1: Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever

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Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts,