1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: What's one what's one matchup that you enjoyed, like you 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: knew you're like, this is one of my tougher mashups, 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: like pitching against like who was like one of those 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: guys Like I don't want to say like because I 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: know as a player, as a competitor, you're not even 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: nervous for it, but like you're just like, damn, I know, 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: I gotta be on my a game. 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Man. There was a bunch. There was a Manny Ramirez 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: is probably the best, like the guy that I knew 10 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 2: that I wasn't going to get out, but I felt 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: like I had a you know, like I always felt 12 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: like I had a plan. Yeah, and every time the 13 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: plan never worked. But he, I mean, he was just 14 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: he was always one step ahead of me. And then 15 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 2: after the game he would always you know, we were 16 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: we had a really really really close relationship, really cool. 17 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: And after the game he would always call me and 18 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: tell me where I made a mistake, tell me where 19 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking about. What he was thinking about because 20 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: he would give up pitches, like he would sit on 21 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: one pitch and say it was my slider. So he 22 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: would wait until there was a big situation. He would 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: even let me throw that pitch for a strike, not 24 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: swing at it. And then there was a big situation 25 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: late in the game. I'm going back to that pitch 26 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: thinking that he's not thinking about it and that's just 27 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: a two three run homer, and he would just play 28 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: that game. He would he would wait to go one 29 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: for four to have it be that big homer, which is, 30 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: you know, insane. It's ubsurd to be able to do 31 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: that and be that good to be able to execute. 32 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: I'm curious because in basketball, I feel like, obviously defense 33 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: is incredibly important, but you know, offensively, these guys have 34 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: gotten so good that the best scorers in the league 35 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: are they're just going to score, right and you can 36 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: do your best to stop them. I know you just 37 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: kind of mentioned like you don't maybe you're like, I 38 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: don't know if i'll get him out, but I'll do 39 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: my best. Has a similar dynamic emerging baseball on either side, 40 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: where either like the pitchers are so good or the 41 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: batters are just so good that you kind of have 42 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: to just be like, I'm going to take what I 43 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: can get. 44 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: I think right now, it is what you're seeing where 45 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: everybody's you know, worried about every you know, contact and 46 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: putting the ball in play. And you know, the league's 47 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: hitting two forty as a league. But it's the pitching 48 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: is you know, these guys are so good. They're throwing 49 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: the balls, you know, a lot harder than we ever threw. 50 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: They know how to spin it, they understand how to 51 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: repeat it every single time, and I think, you know, 52 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: I think there has to be an adjustment on the 53 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: philosophy of hitting, not just the way people hit, the 54 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: way people swing, just going back to trying to put 55 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: the ball in play. Like we grew up in the 56 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: era where it was put the ball in play. The 57 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: lineup was constructed in a way where you had the 58 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: power hitters in the middle and the rest everybody else 59 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: played a role. Now the whole lineup is full of 60 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: guys that just hit homers, and it's a different philosophy. So, 61 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: but the way these guys, how hard they throw, the 62 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: way they spin it, you have to go back to 63 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 2: being able to just put the ball and play. You 64 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: look at what Toronto did this year. They were able 65 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: to They whooped our ass all year and that's why 66 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: they were able to go so deep and really play 67 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: against a team that they were outmatched, you know what 68 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: I mean if you look at that, if you look 69 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: at the roster compared to the Dodgers, they were kind 70 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: of outmatched. But the brand of baseball that they play, 71 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: it's hard to beat. And it took every ounce of 72 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: the Dodgers talent to put off that World Series because 73 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: of the philosophy that Toronto has of hitting. 74 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 4: That's funny because I was I was actually just going 75 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 4: to ask her about that because I felt like watching 76 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: that series, it was like we were just that we 77 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: were trying to het Helmers, and their whole thing was 78 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 4: just we're gonna put it in play, like we're gonna 79 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: make you guys play defense. And it was a count. 80 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was just simple. 81 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: And if you look at like who they did it against, 82 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: it was Camp. It was our best guys. Yeah, that 83 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: other teams couldn't touch, but they were able to put 84 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: the ball in play against Show. Hey, they were able to, 85 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: you know, put the ball in play. They're just one 86 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: of those teams that they're not going to strike out. 87 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: And I think that philosophy has to be league wide 88 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: to be able to see where you know, hitters be 89 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: able to kind of do what they're supposed to do. 90 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: Not hit two for you? You know what I mean? 91 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: I think judge hitting three fifty in the in the 92 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: league right now, where everybody's hitting two forty is insane. 93 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: So what would your plan be against Toronto? Much? What 94 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: would your for me? 95 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: I would try to put so much part. I would 96 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: just try to fill up the zone, like make them swing, 97 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: because those type of teams, they're gonna wait you out, 98 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: They're gonna make it throw the ball over the plate, 99 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: and they assume that I'm gonna try to pitch around them. 100 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: With those teams, So that would have been Boston back 101 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: in my day, that would have been New York back 102 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: in my day before I joined the Yankees, and my 103 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: philosophy against those teams those older teams would just try 104 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: to fill up the zone, throw as many strikes as possible, 105 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: be aggressive, and get them in counts where you know, 106 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: get them accounts where they need to swing, or even 107 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: get them in swing mode. So I'm throwing a lot 108 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: of strikes where they're going up there in swing mode. 109 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: Those teams like that, you like, their philosophy is to 110 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: make you throw the ball over the plate. So I 111 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: have to do that in return and get them to swing, 112 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: if that makes sense, so that you know, I would 113 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: just try to fill it up and trying to get 114 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: in the counts where you know, I could get strikeouts. 115 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: With that philosophy. 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