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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Select Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, good morning to
Speaker 1: you or good afternoon to you wherever you might be listening. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's the Draft show here from Mobile. Brian brought us
Speaker 1: David Hellman Dane Brugler for one final time as we
Speaker 1: get you ready for thirsty practice here in Mobile, Alabama
Speaker 1: after a saggy Wednesday practice where we were unable to
Speaker 1: h evaluate where we're at to to see practice. So
Speaker 1: but we have our ways, right, Dane Brugler, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have our ways to go back and watch practice when
Speaker 1: they when they try and kick us out of practice. Right.
Speaker 1: Technology is a great thing. It's great to know people,
Speaker 1: uh in the league. Dane's got that pall. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: That's the great thing about being in the scouting community
Speaker 1: is that you have friends that appreciate that you work
Speaker 1: just as hard as they do. And so we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into some of the Wednesday practice even though we
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to put eyes on it live.
Speaker 1: Dane had the opportunity and also in the NFL. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: on the ESPN you yesterday we were able to watch
Speaker 1: a little bit, but Dane was able to sit down
Speaker 1: and bang through some tapes. So we'll get through that
Speaker 1: and kind of talk about some of the things that
Speaker 1: he saw yesterday. Get you ready for today again another
Speaker 1: practice at lad People Stadium. It will be a full
Speaker 1: padded practice whether it should not be a problem today
Speaker 1: and we will be there. I will have coverage of
Speaker 1: a practice report. David Hellman will be have some information
Speaker 1: from there as well, and Dane Burgler as always you
Speaker 1: can follow him on Twitter with some great insight of
Speaker 1: things that he's doing. So Dane, I'm going to turn
Speaker 1: it over to you. Just just overview again North South
Speaker 1: practices at South Alabama yesterday, the indoor facility, things that
Speaker 1: that stood out from you. You've talked a lot about matchups.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the one thing I think from the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. When you watch the Senior Bowl, you get
Speaker 1: the idea of it is about a lot of one
Speaker 1: on one matchups, and you know, so you get some
Speaker 1: small school guys going up against some big school guys
Speaker 1: vice versa. You know that kind of thing, but talk
Speaker 1: about some of the things that you saw from the
Speaker 1: tape yesterday that really maybe stock up guys, stock down guys.
Speaker 1: Things like that you saw that you can kind of
Speaker 1: lead us into what we're gonna see today. Well, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is something we every Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: You want to see improvement week from practice practice practice Tuesday.
Speaker 1: It can be tough the first day. Everyone's kind of
Speaker 1: getting their feet wet and getting acclimated the setting and
Speaker 1: the situation and the coaching. So you want to see Okay,
Speaker 1: practice too is a big practice, right because you want
Speaker 1: to see these guys really really okay. Now they've taken
Speaker 1: the coaching a little bit exactly. Yeah, and you get
Speaker 1: the first practice jitters right of the way. You know,
Speaker 1: let's let's get going and let's see who stands out.
Speaker 1: I'd tell you what. Penny Hart continues to press. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one can cover him. And you know, as much
Speaker 1: as we were excited about Andy Isabella coming of the week,
Speaker 1: and Isabella has been he's been good, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's been I don't think he's exceeded our expectations. Penny Hart,
Speaker 1: has it exceeded our expectations and part of that is
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure our expectations were high enough going
Speaker 1: in right. Um, he was a Richard junior who came
Speaker 1: out late in the process. I saw some of him
Speaker 1: before we came down here, but not enough to have
Speaker 1: the full picture. But he's really opening eyes, the quickness,
Speaker 1: the explosion. And it's not just he has that controlled
Speaker 1: burst where he can shake defenders and coverage. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: not only that, but he's crafty too, like he understands timing,
Speaker 1: he understands uh, you know, the dance and how to
Speaker 1: do it. So really impress. If he went up against
Speaker 1: the Sierra adderlie, who's the top safety here? Yeah, probably
Speaker 1: he's the top defensive back here in my inion, and
Speaker 1: he shook him in space. And I don't even consider
Speaker 1: a negative rep for Ratteraly because Atterali had an interception yesterday?
Speaker 1: Did he picked off Daniel Jones and posted some of
Speaker 1: these videos on my Twitter time, Burl you can get that.
Speaker 1: If you're not following Dane already, please jump on that
Speaker 1: right now on Twitter. But yeah, Penny Hart, snap after snap,
Speaker 1: no one could really cover him. And you know, five
Speaker 1: eight one eighty, we're talking about a smaller framed guy,
Speaker 1: but he's pretty natural with the ball away from his body,
Speaker 1: and that's something that with Andy as Abella you worry about.
Speaker 1: For my practice report, I did a little stock up,
Speaker 1: stock down, and stalk down. I put Andy as Abella
Speaker 1: because even though he is separating, he is having a
Speaker 1: nice doing a nice art with his routes. Throws away
Speaker 1: from his body he can struggle with because he has
Speaker 1: a smaller hands, he doesn't have that huge catch radius.
Speaker 1: He had a few drops yesterday on tape, so that
Speaker 1: was something that stuck out well, Penny Hart, he was
Speaker 1: a little more natural snaring away from his body, being
Speaker 1: comfortable with those throws. So, Penny Hard, it was the
Speaker 1: day guy that stood out for me based on the tape,
Speaker 1: based on yesterday, and then based on the last two days. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: to me that this is where you uh, this is
Speaker 1: where you look at things and you kind of figure out,
Speaker 1: you know, there's day there's a lot of these. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of these. You know. The big thing
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys has been Cole Beasley, all the Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley talk that we've been hearing, but it seems like,
Speaker 1: you know, with Dane and where we've talked about initially
Speaker 1: in the drafting process. If you're a Cowboy fan, you
Speaker 1: have to feel good that there's guys like Penny Hart,
Speaker 1: Andy Isabelle, Yeah, ro from Clemson. I mean, and that's
Speaker 1: just just that's just a small sample size of the
Speaker 1: guys that are here. Yeah, that's you guys are here,
Speaker 1: which and I mean, I think that's the crux of
Speaker 1: the debate is I think people respect Cole Beasley's game,
Speaker 1: but it is a position that you can find talent
Speaker 1: that Cole Beasley was an undrafted free agent. We're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, Andy Zabella as a second round pick, some
Speaker 1: of these you know guys seeing early ish draft picks,
Speaker 1: whereas you know, it's proven you don't have to draft
Speaker 1: that high to find guys like that. So I think
Speaker 1: that's what makes the Cole Beasley topics so interesting. Uh.
Speaker 1: And for me, that's interesting to hear about Penny Hart
Speaker 1: just which is funny because Andy Isabella is a U
Speaker 1: mask guy. But so, I mean, you know, that's not
Speaker 1: a big school, but among draft nerds, he was like
Speaker 1: the talked about guy coming into this, whereas, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't start hearing Penny Hart's name until maybe you
Speaker 1: get here. Well, you change your impression up the first
Speaker 1: guy again, the first guy you talk about guys, don't
Speaker 1: do it, Yeah, don't do it. Yeah, we don't give him.
Speaker 1: Don't give him the credit. No. Bobby Yeah, Bobby Belt Yeah,
Speaker 1: from the NFL network. You know he was he was Bobby.
Speaker 1: He was beating me down about Penny Hart. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the Bobby congratulations, will give you full credit for the part.
Speaker 1: But some of the other guys you know that you've
Speaker 1: you've kind of looked at. I mean, it's this these practices,
Speaker 1: you could get a lot of the value. Keep talking
Speaker 1: about this, the one on one stuff that you know
Speaker 1: when they go to team who's battling? Who is there
Speaker 1: anybody else? Though, the best one on one matchup that
Speaker 1: I think we've seen here through two practices has been
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel South Carolina Wide receiver vers rock Ya Sin
Speaker 1: the Temple corner. Okay, let me ask you though, Okay,
Speaker 1: with Samuel, where do you see him? Because again, during
Speaker 1: the broadcast, if you're listening to Bill Polian and mcshaye,
Speaker 1: those guys yesterday, they're trying to figure out where the
Speaker 1: South Carolina Wide receiver is going to play. We talked
Speaker 1: about it yesterday in the show, you know, what's the role?
Speaker 1: What's his fit? Because there are a lot of things
Speaker 1: that he does well. I thought yesterday during practice the
Speaker 1: one on ones, he did a really nice job with
Speaker 1: his releases off the line. I think he's really physical
Speaker 1: at the top of routes then at the catch point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what is his exact fit in an NFL offense? Right?
Speaker 1: You know, is he best suited inside? Can he uh
Speaker 1: you know, can you play across the formation? What is
Speaker 1: your picture of him when you, you know, insert him
Speaker 1: into your offense? That that's the big question. But he's
Speaker 1: having a really nice, nice week. But and I think
Speaker 1: it's a little give and take with rock Ya Sin.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you Sin gets him sometimes. That showed that film.
Speaker 1: Both have several wins and they go up against each other.
Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun to watch. And they
Speaker 1: and they and they and when heat, when when Samuel
Speaker 1: comes up, he comes up with him. It's not like
Speaker 1: they're not other trying to hide from each other. No, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: they they both challenge each other and I think they're
Speaker 1: both bringing in. That's what I like to see, That's
Speaker 1: what I like to see. You Sin whenever he went
Speaker 1: up against Antony Johnson a few times. I had some
Speaker 1: positive reps. So I think that Rocky has sent to me.
Speaker 1: He came in as a top corner. Yeah, he's leaving
Speaker 1: as a top corner. I don't think. I think that's
Speaker 1: nothing has changed there is in the top corner in
Speaker 1: this game. Okay, we're in the big picture. Does he
Speaker 1: fit on people's draft boards? Where where would he be on?
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna project him somewhere. I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: the player and project him. But where does he gonna
Speaker 1: where is he going to fit on most people's draft boards?
Speaker 1: I think he's the second round. Um. You know, I
Speaker 1: think when we talked about the guys at the top,
Speaker 1: Greedy Williams, Buyer Murphy and then DeAndre Baker is not
Speaker 1: here at the Georgia corner. Um, And I think your
Speaker 1: sin is right there in that mix where he's a
Speaker 1: top forty guy who you know, some teams, depending on
Speaker 1: the type of corner they're looking for, might have a
Speaker 1: little higher, some man have a little lower. But I
Speaker 1: think in the top forty top forty five range is
Speaker 1: accurate for where's your what's your concerned of Greedy Williams?
Speaker 1: I just think he's slight. He's he's small. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm I don't mean the K and all that, and
Speaker 1: I mean, which you know, hey, Connor Williams right, like
Speaker 1: you can, you can bulk up a little bit. But
Speaker 1: he has a slight frame. He is not a physical yeah,
Speaker 1: which I will give him credit. I do think he's
Speaker 1: a willing tackler. Yeah, I'm not talking about his mindset.
Speaker 1: He's just he is not a big guy at the
Speaker 1: NFL level at least, I mean, does he not play
Speaker 1: big to you? I think I think that remains to
Speaker 1: be determined. And look, I know he was a lockdown
Speaker 1: guy in college, but I don't don't know that you're
Speaker 1: going up against guys that are going to challenge you
Speaker 1: game end game albums. You have the same concerns about
Speaker 1: him of him as of maybe a mo clayboard. I
Speaker 1: just thought Moe was bigger. I I just thought Moe
Speaker 1: was hidden by how good the rest of that secondary was.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, and like that's and you
Speaker 1: know you flip on the tape. We're talking like seven
Speaker 1: years ago at this I'm just I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: get an idea because the LSU corners. We tend to
Speaker 1: kind of you know, it's either Patrick Peterson or was
Speaker 1: playing with literally like four guys who were still in
Speaker 1: the NFL, Like he was across from Pat Pete for
Speaker 1: a year. He had Tyer Matthew back there with him.
Speaker 1: Eric Reid was in that secondary. Uh So, I just
Speaker 1: I just didn't trust that he had been through the fires.
Speaker 1: You know that you would prefer to be a top
Speaker 1: ten pick at the time. Yeah, And you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't want to say like Greedy's not
Speaker 1: going to be a good player, and then he's certainly
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be a top fifteen pick. I had
Speaker 1: to guess. But I do wonder about his frame. I
Speaker 1: have mur I have Murphy of Washington. I think just
Speaker 1: seeing enough Lsu games, I have a higher opinion this
Speaker 1: This is anecdotal. This is purely anecdotal. I haven't watched,
Speaker 1: but I have a higher or. I had a higher
Speaker 1: opinion of Tradevious White coming out than I do of
Speaker 1: Greedy Williams. So yeah, I think there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of mixed opinions on Greedy. Um something he might be
Speaker 1: a late first rounder, something he's a top fifteen guy. Um,
Speaker 1: we'll see how he is people going to talk about
Speaker 1: him because of the length. Is that going to be
Speaker 1: a length in the athleticism? Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: he has the play personality for the corner position. Um,
Speaker 1: definitely has that, right, And so really just what we
Speaker 1: don't love about him is he's not you know, super
Speaker 1: twitchy where you know, it's just it's really fluid. See
Speaker 1: that's what I see with the Murphy kid from Washington. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, I see a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: twitchy guy also, Yeah, smaller package. Yeah, so you know, right,
Speaker 1: you kind of way and we'll see what the length is.
Speaker 1: Is he twenty nine and a half or you know,
Speaker 1: we'll if it's that, then I'm going off the the
Speaker 1: film shows me one thing, right, But I'm seeing a
Speaker 1: competitive guy though. Yeah, and you know, I mean no
Speaker 1: offense in the PAC twelve. But they just it wasn't
Speaker 1: a good conference this year, and you know, compared to
Speaker 1: the SEC. So it's uh, it's you know, these are
Speaker 1: all factors you have to weigh. But I think, you know,
Speaker 1: back to the yes, Sin, I think he's I'm trying
Speaker 1: to I was trying to get an idea if like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're talking about I'm talking about top corners. Is this
Speaker 1: is sinking to put himself at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, is the Temple Tape, the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 1: combine could have put him in the mix with these
Speaker 1: other corners. I guess that's what I'm trying to drive
Speaker 1: at right now. I don't think so, because I think
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna run a four or five two. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think he has a great long speed, Okay.
Speaker 1: I think he's a four four eight to four or
Speaker 1: five two guy. Okay, And for a corner position, which
Speaker 1: I stop watch position, right, that's some teams are gonna
Speaker 1: be turned off by that, you know, at least in
Speaker 1: terms of him being a top twenty guy, top up,
Speaker 1: top thirty guy. Um, but a second round, yeah, get
Speaker 1: him on my team. So I mean, that's just my
Speaker 1: guest at this point. But we'll see how he does
Speaker 1: it the combine. Maybe he'll surprise us, which that will
Speaker 1: that's an all respect in the world of the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I love coming here, but that's something like I always
Speaker 1: have to guard against when we come down here. Is well,
Speaker 1: it's because these are competitions, well plus these are the
Speaker 1: guys you're watching, right. You can only watch what's in
Speaker 1: front of you. You know, we we we were in
Speaker 1: love with Braxton Miller at the end of Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: practices one year, and Quinton Rollins was another guy we
Speaker 1: really liked after the Senior Bowl. And they're good players.
Speaker 1: Quintin Rollins was drafted highly. But you know there are
Speaker 1: other more talented players that are going to be in
Speaker 1: the mix when you get done with the Senior Bowl. Guys,
Speaker 1: if we should fall in love with one of ability
Speaker 1: to evaluate wh we fall in love with the Combine
Speaker 1: or the Senior Bowl, you know, both other merits because
Speaker 1: when you look at the Senior Bowl, it's the final
Speaker 1: time we get to see these guys in past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's the Senior Bowl. The Senior Bowl is the answer.
Speaker 1: But the guy, not all of them, but a lot
Speaker 1: of the guys playing here are just simply not as
Speaker 1: good as the underclassmen, I mean, the top tier classmen,
Speaker 1: right and that and on a lot of times I
Speaker 1: learned more of the combine just because we have a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to them, you know, we get to
Speaker 1: know them better. And then you know, just getting the
Speaker 1: quantitative data to back up what you've watched the last
Speaker 1: six to ten months is really beneficial because if something
Speaker 1: doesn't match up, if you know, Rocky as Sin goes
Speaker 1: out and run the four three eight, what well, what
Speaker 1: did I miss? Hey? I need to go back to
Speaker 1: the tape and figure out. Okay, is he just you know,
Speaker 1: stop watch fast and not Field fast? Or you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I did give enough credit in terms of just
Speaker 1: the long speed. So the combine they they both have
Speaker 1: their merits. I don't I mean, I really don't know
Speaker 1: how you would rank them, because I can make a
Speaker 1: strong case for both. I don't want to put you
Speaker 1: on the spot, Dane, but I see a couple of
Speaker 1: house housekeeping tidbits coming across here. We got well, I
Speaker 1: hurt Donald, Donald Parham got hurt. Yes, he's being replaced
Speaker 1: by UCLA like an ankle injury. If he's the tied
Speaker 1: end from Stetson, he's being replaced by UCLA tight end
Speaker 1: Caleb Wilson. And then this sucks. Y'all's guy Bruce Anderson,
Speaker 1: as I guess out as well, who is that serious?
Speaker 1: Poor poor Bruce? He uh, it was not a good
Speaker 1: practice for him yesterday past protection he was see that's
Speaker 1: some of the things we were worried about him a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, and you know, and I wrote in
Speaker 1: my practure report how West Hills, the slippery rock running back,
Speaker 1: was one of the winners yesterday because the one on
Speaker 1: one stuff you saw, well, yeah, carrying the ball, catching
Speaker 1: the ball and then blocking you looked pretty good. Right. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Armstead from Temple Right couldn't catch the ball. It was bad. Right,
Speaker 1: North Dakota State Bruce Anderson couldn't block a lick it
Speaker 1: right bad. Okay, So it really like made West Hills
Speaker 1: look a lot better playing or practicing next to those
Speaker 1: two guys. Did something happened to Anderson? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't see. Um that's pride, I would say feelings
Speaker 1: were her. Yeah, it's possible. Well, I know about the
Speaker 1: ankle with Darren Hall from pitt Is replacing Anderson. It
Speaker 1: sounds you you mentioned Dane some of that you on
Speaker 1: your tweets, So you're kind of saying, keep an eye
Speaker 1: on a usc offensive tackle. Yeah, Chuma Adoga. Who is
Speaker 1: your team that needs to tackle? Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean everybody needs to tackle, but this kid, he's showing
Speaker 1: some really nice footwork. I've seen he flashed on Tuesday
Speaker 1: and then Wednesday was more of the same. And you
Speaker 1: know he's a little shorter than you want, but he's
Speaker 1: got long arms. Uh Now, the placement of the punch
Speaker 1: and you know when he extends that needs some work.
Speaker 1: But when you focus on his lower body, his feet looked,
Speaker 1: I mean really right, and it's natural, it's not forced.
Speaker 1: You know, he reaches the corner very well, can cut
Speaker 1: off that speed, and I think he has some core
Speaker 1: power to him where you know he don't see him
Speaker 1: getting jostled at the contact point. You know, you see
Speaker 1: him holding up well, using that length to his advantage.
Speaker 1: He has some flexibility to him. So he's a guy
Speaker 1: coming out of this week based on these two practices,
Speaker 1: Penny Hart and this USC tackle two of the biggest
Speaker 1: winners clearly for me. Yeah, okay, a couple of guys
Speaker 1: right now, I know we've got a game and a
Speaker 1: practice left. Or is there anybody we could we could
Speaker 1: talk about the quarterbacks because that hasn't been is it
Speaker 1: probably hasn't been as good a group, But let's focus
Speaker 1: on somebodys because we did quarterbacks yesterday. We kind of talked,
Speaker 1: is there another group that you've kind of said, boy,
Speaker 1: need to go back, or maybe I didn't feel as
Speaker 1: good about these guys now as I did coming into
Speaker 1: this practice. Who do I feel about? Who I feel
Speaker 1: better about or worse about? Worse about of it? Is
Speaker 1: there anybody that it just really hasn't some of these corners? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I really like Isaiah Johnson, who we talked about, tall, long,
Speaker 1: right right. You know, when he plays press and he
Speaker 1: can turn and run, it looks pretty good because he's
Speaker 1: such a a fast guy. But when he plays off coverage,
Speaker 1: it's bad because his feet, his footwork, the technique, the
Speaker 1: lower body technique, and this is a tall, long guy.
Speaker 1: The teams are looking at right he's I mean, basically
Speaker 1: what the tape is telling me is he needs to
Speaker 1: be playing press man coverage. You know, you can't trust
Speaker 1: him and off he can't trust him in his own right.
Speaker 1: You can't trust him to really be anywhere except nose
Speaker 1: to nose with a wide receiver where he can get physical,
Speaker 1: use that length and then use that speed to carry
Speaker 1: receivers deep. So I thought he had up and down practice.
Speaker 1: Chris Chris Boyd from Texas, same thing, where when he
Speaker 1: presses he looks naturally, looks comfortable. He can use the
Speaker 1: sideline to his advantage. But when you asked him to playoff,
Speaker 1: Donald Parham got him really good. Yeah, on a just
Speaker 1: as simple as a post route. Um, you know, he
Speaker 1: showed a little patience at the top and uh, boyd
Speaker 1: bid on it couldn't recover, so boyd, same kind of
Speaker 1: similar deal. Press Man, Okay, does an okay job when
Speaker 1: he plays off the line of scrimmage and he's forced
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, break down the receiver and
Speaker 1: anticipate the route. That's where he really struggles. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: these teams all looking for big, tall, long guys. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and but he's telling you all these guys do can play,
Speaker 1: press man. Is that just a concern for you right now?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a little bit more well rounded guys
Speaker 1: play and you want to guy some guys who could
Speaker 1: drive out off coverage and stuff like that. It's not
Speaker 1: a it's not a concern, not a deal killer for you.
Speaker 1: Well it's it's January, So no, no, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say I'm concerned. Um, but it is interesting, and that's
Speaker 1: you know, you got to you gotta dive deeper into
Speaker 1: those guys because I remember oh Man who was the
Speaker 1: uh who was the kid at a Clemson a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. I think tankers tankers, Yes, it right.
Speaker 1: We talked about him at played press man. That's all
Speaker 1: he could do, That's all he could do, And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had no interest at the end of the day
Speaker 1: because that's all that they felt he could do. So
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is an element of this
Speaker 1: where you got to dive into these guys strength and weaknesses.
Speaker 1: Because he might fit the bill in the sense that
Speaker 1: he's a corner, he'll he'll be available for you. But
Speaker 1: if he doesn't fit what the Cowboys want him to do,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna They're not gonna be interested. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's an important distinction. Before we hit the break though,
Speaker 1: kind of a couple of people were asking about a
Speaker 1: couple of the big the Big twelve, these defensive ends
Speaker 1: Texas and TCU. It's having good days. Yesterday I thought L. J.
Speaker 1: Collier had a pretty good practice following up a good
Speaker 1: practice on Tuesday. Really like how he uses his length
Speaker 1: where he can both in the pass rush drills and
Speaker 1: the run blocking drills. Uh. He did a really nice
Speaker 1: job using that length, detaching from blocks and making a play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he you know, power, he saw some quickness
Speaker 1: and bully mentality. So yeah, I think L. J. Collier
Speaker 1: has definitely come here to Mobile and he's turned some heads. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They mean these people again once
Speaker 1: again looking for those guys. Do you feel like that
Speaker 1: you feel like though a really a guy that an
Speaker 1: edge rusher, that that that can have success overall? I
Speaker 1: mean does his tape show that? Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 1: I think he's mean you're talking about him being able
Speaker 1: to detach and things like that. That leads you to
Speaker 1: believe that he could, that he could rush. But is
Speaker 1: there is there something holding him back there? Well, he's
Speaker 1: not a twitchy guy. He's not you know Ben bonegu
Speaker 1: the other TCU. Yeah, you know, he used more of
Speaker 1: that speed demon off the edge, where Collier is more
Speaker 1: of the you know, doesn't have that type of juice.
Speaker 1: But he's not a bad athlete by any means. Right,
Speaker 1: So you're saying, we gotta go to TC's pro day now,
Speaker 1: that's what we gotta do. Might have to do that,
Speaker 1: that's right, See how he does. Yeah, but he's a
Speaker 1: he's a good player and he's having a good week.
Speaker 1: Could be Charles A mena who from Texas men who Yeah,
Speaker 1: who you were raving about the link to this guy.
Speaker 1: That's I think I've seen more questions and comments about
Speaker 1: that dude than anybody, just from fans. When he's in
Speaker 1: his car, he can change both mirrors, both view mirrors
Speaker 1: with that length. Uh, he's just he's in the here
Speaker 1: during the like the one on ones, they've been lining
Speaker 1: him up basically the same way they did at Texas
Speaker 1: where he's over the guard okay, b gap Yeah and
Speaker 1: so yeah, playing an under tackle kind of like right.
Speaker 1: So that's been interesting and he's he's done a nice job.
Speaker 1: He steamrolled Michael Dieter on Tuesday, and Dieter this basically
Speaker 1: the second round, maybe the first maybe the best guard
Speaker 1: in the draft. Senior senior senior guards conversation is going
Speaker 1: to change, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he's the best
Speaker 1: guard here and same thing. But he did the same
Speaker 1: thing yesterday. He steamrolled Michael Dieter again. So to Michael
Speaker 1: Dieter has some problems with power, I think it's more
Speaker 1: just the length. Yeah, like you know, he's way he's
Speaker 1: able to get on him right, knocked out. He needs
Speaker 1: to knock down the hands, you know, do a better
Speaker 1: job of fending off because you know with a mena
Speaker 1: who you know, he's gonna use that length because it's
Speaker 1: it's such a weapon for him, and he just he
Speaker 1: did not make these proper adjustments based off of Tuesday's practice.
Speaker 1: We'll see what he does on Thursday. One more question
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, though, then the linebackers.
Speaker 1: Anybody's standing out for you on the linebacker side of things? Um?
Speaker 1: Who did I like he was? Okay? I thought Tarrell
Speaker 1: Hanks has been the night, done a nice job New
Speaker 1: Mexico State. Um, Deshaun Davis from Auburn had a few
Speaker 1: nice reps. He's the one that got Bruce Anderson in
Speaker 1: those you know, the pass rush drils uh that Bruce
Speaker 1: Anderson couldn't stop him. So I thought he handled himself. Well, Um,
Speaker 1: what are somebody's linebackers? Um, oh, Bobbiokareki. I thought he
Speaker 1: did a nice job right using that length. Um David
Speaker 1: Long from Westward, you have more of the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: my guy, my Long. He's not long enough exactly. That's
Speaker 1: the problem with him, right, that is the problem with him.
Speaker 1: It's a problem with him. But yoh, I thought he uh,
Speaker 1: he did a nice job. It's just yeah, you worry
Speaker 1: about the size, and it's something that will follow him
Speaker 1: throughout the process and really throughout his NFL career. All right,
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Speaker 1: Mobile and do this job with skin. You've got David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Dame Brugler, Kitt Garrison executive producing guys. When today is,
Speaker 1: I think it's a big day for me because I,
Speaker 1: like Dane was talking about two days now a practice
Speaker 1: I want to see. I want to see. I just
Speaker 1: want to see some football. Honestly, this has been a
Speaker 1: weird Senior Bowls. I mean, you know, I mean, y'all
Speaker 1: know the drill. When we get here. I'm on Jerry
Speaker 1: and Stephen Jones duty. The first day we're here, I
Speaker 1: never get to watch practice on the first day, and
Speaker 1: then the second day we didn't get to go. So like,
Speaker 1: I have not seen any rep of practice yet. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to today just so I can actually get
Speaker 1: my bearings with these players. Yeah, you could sit down
Speaker 1: and really scout. I'll be full transparency, Like I know
Speaker 1: next to nothing about the guys at this at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl this year, which upsets me. But what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Well? Knowing next to nothing? Then we'll
Speaker 1: get into some of these about these these questions that
Speaker 1: we have here. I gotta, I gotta, which I hate
Speaker 1: to give him credit, that Bobby Belt guy, and he's
Speaker 1: he can be smart sometimes. Because this is something I've
Speaker 1: been wondering about all week, and it's a good question
Speaker 1: for you, Brian, which is when a team meets with
Speaker 1: a player at the Senior Bowl, is that indicative of
Speaker 1: interest or due diligence? And I'm just curious about this
Speaker 1: and the role it plays in the process. You know,
Speaker 1: Bobby and I have a lot of conversations because there's
Speaker 1: several players that he knows that the Cowboys are interested
Speaker 1: in and he has contact with right and I think
Speaker 1: anytime you meet with a player, it's and I hate
Speaker 1: this because it's not I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: ride the fence, but it is about due diligence right now,
Speaker 1: it is about due diligence, which and it don't ride
Speaker 1: the fence all you want, no, no, it is about
Speaker 1: due diligence. But but there is some interest there. You're
Speaker 1: not going to talk to somebody that you don't have
Speaker 1: an interest in. But but but it's also your job
Speaker 1: to where if something comes up, if something comes up
Speaker 1: in a draft meeting, you want to be able to
Speaker 1: tell Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and Jason Garrett that, Hey,
Speaker 1: I talked to this kid and this is his background.
Speaker 1: Like when Dan gives you the background about your sin,
Speaker 1: rock your sin, you know, a temple and tells you
Speaker 1: all the places he'd been, that's a scout. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: scouting for you right there, because he's explaining to everybody
Speaker 1: out there. But but the fact that he gets to
Speaker 1: sit down and it visits with these guys helps him
Speaker 1: with that part of the pot. You've been here on
Speaker 1: the personnel side, like, how does we know we know
Speaker 1: all the rules for the combine? You get x amount
Speaker 1: of formal interviews? How does you spe a free for all?
Speaker 1: So and I missed those days in mobile you know
Speaker 1: you basically teams are allowed to talk to these guys
Speaker 1: from like seven pm until ten. Yeah, you just kind
Speaker 1: of grab the kids, go on the lobby there. You
Speaker 1: set things up with him. Maybe on the after practice
Speaker 1: you go up and say, hey, listen, can we take
Speaker 1: it for ten minutes? And with you you're so you're
Speaker 1: probably doing I don't know, fifteen a night trying nights
Speaker 1: the scouts all divide up, which I It's interesting to
Speaker 1: me because you're right, you don't talk to a guy
Speaker 1: without being interested, right, But at this point in the process,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean a lot to me that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: the Cowboys talk to X. Yeah, of course they did.
Speaker 1: Like they're here all weeks. That's that's what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to do. Like when we're talking about Okay, now, this
Speaker 1: guy's got a formal interview at the Combine. Now, now
Speaker 1: Uler allowed sixty visits at the Combine had a three
Speaker 1: hundred and how many players twenty five? Three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty six, okay, three thirty six. It's worth you if
Speaker 1: you limited to sixty. Yeah, now you're really You're really
Speaker 1: they've they I can say, it's it's more about due
Speaker 1: diligence at the All Star Games, US at the combo
Speaker 1: if if the Cowboys are talking to somebody at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, yeah, okay, I'm I'm I'm glad I heard that,
Speaker 1: But like, I don't really care them. What do you
Speaker 1: go to question? If you could ask a kid a
Speaker 1: question in any setting, you know, I think it really
Speaker 1: depends on the player because there's something, you know, like
Speaker 1: each player there's probably something different that I want to know, like, um,
Speaker 1: are you more about mental makeup or more about asking
Speaker 1: him question? Maybe are you gonna ask him a question
Speaker 1: about something you saw on tape, Like, hey, in that
Speaker 1: Nebraska game, right exactly bringing up what were you thinking
Speaker 1: in that Nebraska game when you let that guy get
Speaker 1: past you like that? Right? Because I think a few things.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get it, take your mental makeup. The
Speaker 1: guy might be might be real honest to explain, right, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what I did. I made a mistake. Yeah
Speaker 1: I saw Yeah, I was in cover too, and I
Speaker 1: thought that, you know. But it also it shows like,
Speaker 1: you know, did they actually remember it or are they
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of you know, just spit ball
Speaker 1: in some generalities and they don't really remember what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. And how much do they care about, you know,
Speaker 1: because if they were beat I want a guy that's
Speaker 1: where it's sticking right here. Yeah, it still hurts him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're they're thinking about it. But yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of setting up players for the
Speaker 1: future where I'm gonna ask him about a certain play
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna ask him to hey go back and um,
Speaker 1: you know, watch that Temple tape and he did this
Speaker 1: as and this, and then when I talked about the
Speaker 1: combine or I talked to him about a pro day
Speaker 1: bringing that up again and kind of you know, just
Speaker 1: testing okay, did you go back and look at that
Speaker 1: or you know, testing them that way, you know, like
Speaker 1: a long term type of thing. There's so many things
Speaker 1: that you can do in terms of the psychology of
Speaker 1: it um and it's it's it's just it's that's why
Speaker 1: Scouts have to be investigators, psychologists. I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many different steps to being a Scout that can be important.
Speaker 1: Family questions, off limits what we've seen this in the past.
Speaker 1: There's nothing off limits, but okay, but there's been some
Speaker 1: questions trying to be trying to be respectful like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have to be respectful to a point. Um.
Speaker 1: You know. I think that there's been some guys who
Speaker 1: have asked some pretty oh yeah, guys like pretty Jeff
Speaker 1: Ireland every yeah, Jeff Ireland springs immediately to mind that Bryant, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, that's yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was the whole controversy with Darious. Guys. I still
Speaker 1: don't I don't did we have get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of whether that question actually got asked, I don't know,
Speaker 1: probably did go out. Probably it probably did. And that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean clearly nothing is off limits. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think all of it is important, but teams are going
Speaker 1: to do what they want to do. Look for a
Speaker 1: kid's reaction those kind of questions, yes and no. I
Speaker 1: mean part of it is, you know, I want to know, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, was your dad in your life? Was you
Speaker 1: know who who raised you? You know who's uh, you know.
Speaker 1: One one big thing that I want to know with
Speaker 1: players is their mental toughness. And so I want to know, Okay,
Speaker 1: what have you had to gone go through in your life? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: You know, have you been handed everything or you know,
Speaker 1: have you had to face adversity? If so, what's the
Speaker 1: biggest adversity you've had to face in your life? And
Speaker 1: you know, for some guys, there's some heavy stuff. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of heavy stuff. So there's a lot, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot more than me, you know, and that that
Speaker 1: helps shape who they are now and who they're going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, five years from now, and you
Speaker 1: know every everything in between. So yeah, that's something you're investing.
Speaker 1: I know it seems very insensitive sometimes, but as a
Speaker 1: general manager, you have to treat these these players as
Speaker 1: as assets as you know, basically a stock that you're
Speaker 1: buying and selling. And you know, I know that's incentisive.
Speaker 1: These are people and all that, but that's just that's
Speaker 1: that's how you have to treat it. Scouts are very
Speaker 1: compassionate generally, if you don't lie to him, you tell
Speaker 1: him the truth and be upfront, and you don't and
Speaker 1: they and don't make them have to go dig up
Speaker 1: stuff on you. But if you're very upfront with the players.
Speaker 1: I remember a kid, Mac from a Miami was a safety.
Speaker 1: He told me he had an alcohol problem. Kid told me,
Speaker 1: I mean twelve thirty at night at the combine. He
Speaker 1: actually says, hey, I have an alcohol problem, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's sure enough he did. You know, he was
Speaker 1: in the league for two three years, but he had
Speaker 1: an alcohol problem. And you know, when I went back
Speaker 1: with my guys that the packers said, this kid told
Speaker 1: me he's got an issue. Guys, we need to look
Speaker 1: at this if we're interested in this guy. But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I appreciate and I think I
Speaker 1: have more compassion to the player that tells me the truth,
Speaker 1: and does that made me have to come back another
Speaker 1: time in a pro day or a visit and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you lie to me man. Well, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: times it'll be switched where you go digging first and
Speaker 1: you find something right, and then when you kind of
Speaker 1: hint at it to the player, see what he says,
Speaker 1: and then he like, you know, lies about it or
Speaker 1: doesn't bring you know, and yeah, you know, any problems
Speaker 1: in high school, you know, any arrests or anything like that. No, no,
Speaker 1: I was good. But you've talked to his high school
Speaker 1: coach and you found out, you know, he got trouble,
Speaker 1: busted for under age or And it's not so much
Speaker 1: what he did, you know, because I don't really don't care.
Speaker 1: You know, we won't made mistakes at seventeen. It's more
Speaker 1: of the fact that now, as a twenty two year old,
Speaker 1: he's lying about it. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, get to those questions.
Speaker 1: So good, good conversation. That was good. Yeah, good conversation
Speaker 1: about that. What you got on the question side of
Speaker 1: a thing? This is this is interesting to me because
Speaker 1: so Trey's got a question probably like in terms of
Speaker 1: his college career, probably like the most famous guy here
Speaker 1: and we haven't talked about him one time. Trace McSorley,
Speaker 1: What's I mean, what's the story? Like, got out to
Speaker 1: do Burns Penn State? Is he draftable? Like? I mean,
Speaker 1: like I've leaned toward no, because we haven't said his
Speaker 1: name once in three shows. Where do you see mc Sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you what I see of the kid.
Speaker 1: Every time I've ever watched Penn State play, I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like they were in the game because of him. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: like he I mean, if you want to talk about
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about traits of a guy
Speaker 1: that's a winner, he's got winning traits. He and in
Speaker 1: a terrible situation. He clearly has Bill O'Brien and them
Speaker 1: turned around. Just from watching him play college football, he
Speaker 1: appears to have it. But again that goes back to
Speaker 1: my point, we are not talking about him so that
Speaker 1: he must have some serious flaws as a quarterback. Well
Speaker 1: it's very cliche, but he's a gamer, you know, like
Speaker 1: this is what he is. He's shout out Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But mcsorley's you know, he's six foot even,
Speaker 1: two hundred and two pounds. He has a okay arm.
Speaker 1: Not a good, not even above average arm. He's got
Speaker 1: an okay arm, and a lot of what he did
Speaker 1: at Penn State was because of using his legs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that toughness that he showed in resiliency. I just don't
Speaker 1: know how that's going to translate. I don't know. To me,
Speaker 1: there were better quarterbacks um than him to invite here
Speaker 1: because I don't think mcsorley's getting drafted. Maybe a coach
Speaker 1: falls in love with the moxie and either the way
Speaker 1: he handles himself. But of all those guys last year,
Speaker 1: you know those guys that they were talking about in
Speaker 1: the sixth, seventh round Toledo, you know Mike White and
Speaker 1: Mike White. I mean I would I was not talking
Speaker 1: I talk about Mike White. You would have drafted Mike
Speaker 1: White and No, but those guys that were those guys
Speaker 1: that we were kind of banging around at the end
Speaker 1: of the draft. This guy not as good as those
Speaker 1: guys that I don't think, so I don't I don't
Speaker 1: see it as a passer, not enough to at least
Speaker 1: not enough that's gonna give me optimism. I don't know
Speaker 1: he's he's an undraft or a priority free agent, a
Speaker 1: good player who's gonna get a chance. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a white side guys like that last year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: those guys, we were all talking and you told me
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be make the final cuts next year
Speaker 1: at a training camp. Totally suprised. I'd be more surprised
Speaker 1: if you got drafted than if he actually made the
Speaker 1: final cut as a second or third receiver, just because
Speaker 1: once he gets a training camp and then the coaches
Speaker 1: have a chance to second or third receiver or quarterback quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I'm like, WHOA, we're talking position change. Uh. Once coaches
Speaker 1: have a chance to, you know, spend a couple of
Speaker 1: days with him, and you know, or a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks with him, it's gonna be hard for them to
Speaker 1: cut a guy like San Francisco. Oh your boys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm broadcasting the game and Nick Mullins is driving it
Speaker 1: down the field and go to go ahead, And he
Speaker 1: did it in the regular scene exactly exactly all right,
Speaker 1: But the guys would end up I think the one
Speaker 1: trait did again, this is not studying him on film,
Speaker 1: but just TV scouting. He had them in. He has it,
Speaker 1: that's all I know. That's all I know, and you
Speaker 1: might be absolutely right about the you. You gotta have both,
Speaker 1: gotta be a highly picked player. Yeah, all right, mister
Speaker 1: Ohio Joseph has a question, Ohio Joseph. H he wants
Speaker 1: to exactly. He wants to, how do you finishing? Sorry,
Speaker 1: Joseph wants to know about Terry McLaurin, who I've heard
Speaker 1: I've been seeing his name crop up a lot in
Speaker 1: the last couple of days. He was another one of
Speaker 1: my quote unquote risers based on what he's done at practice.
Speaker 1: Ohio State receiver for anybody, Yeah, yeah, he's a vertical receiver,
Speaker 1: has speeding get deep, um, you know, stack the corner
Speaker 1: when deep. What I'm really impressed with is not that
Speaker 1: a niche look aceleration, but the secondary burst that he shows.
Speaker 1: It's almost like, you know, he lulls corners to sleep
Speaker 1: a little bit because he's i mean, he's good speed,
Speaker 1: but then he has an extra gear downfield where he
Speaker 1: hits it and he just he has a little bit
Speaker 1: left in the tank and he can get you over
Speaker 1: the top. So that factored in with he's a big
Speaker 1: time special teams player that you talked to Urban Meyer
Speaker 1: about him, he'll what he does on special teams is
Speaker 1: big and so you know as a gunner on different coverages,
Speaker 1: he that's where he's really gonna be able to impress teams.
Speaker 1: Um So, like Terry McLaurin mid round pick, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be in this league for a long time because what
Speaker 1: he can do on special teams and you know, a
Speaker 1: pretty good fourth receiver who will battle to be more
Speaker 1: than that better. Noah Brown different, but his build is
Speaker 1: not the same as Noah's right, right, A special teams guy,
Speaker 1: tough guy maybe you know. Yeah, he's definitely a tough guy.
Speaker 1: But I think his speed is what really separates him. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll see what he runs all thing. He's big enough
Speaker 1: than anybody's gonna ask him to set the edge. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Ohio State. I know Ohio State receive
Speaker 1: Noah Brown is six two to twenty. That's all like,
Speaker 1: he's pretty gigantic Hio State receiver. Yeah, special teams guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got time for anymore? Absolutely, go ahead. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask this just for the for the comment or the
Speaker 1: name which is combat wombat. Cool? Uh we tombat Wombat.
Speaker 1: We've talked about we've talked about Adderly, what about the
Speaker 1: other safeties that are here anybody. Another one of the
Speaker 1: risers based off the tape from Wednesday's practice was Darnell
Speaker 1: Savage from Maryland, who I'm a big fan of his.
Speaker 1: I think he's really underrated because he's he's smaller, smaller safety.
Speaker 1: But he was one of the few guys that did
Speaker 1: a nice job against Penny Hart. Uh did not get
Speaker 1: you know one. Yeah, he did a nice job. He
Speaker 1: has that reactive quickness where he can close and uh
Speaker 1: make a play. So Darnel Savage in I think he's
Speaker 1: the ideal nickel. Maybe not ideal because he doesn't have
Speaker 1: ideal height or length, but in terms of his athleticism,
Speaker 1: he has ideal athleticism for the nickel. Plus, I think
Speaker 1: he's the mindset because he'll come up in hitcha. He
Speaker 1: can you know, he's used to playing in space. So
Speaker 1: Darnell Savage to me, he's a Day two prospect um.
Speaker 1: He has a chance to be one of the top
Speaker 1: five safeties drafted this year. Is he the same height
Speaker 1: and way this Addlie Adderley's five eleven almost six foot
Speaker 1: year Savages eleven even I think five eleven even one
Speaker 1: nine nine. Yeah, so he's he's been an inch smaller. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the length is not as he doesn't have his long arms.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so it's not. We're not talking about
Speaker 1: a huge difference here. Yeah, okay, good to know. Um,
Speaker 1: Matt oh, I like this question from a Matt simple one.
Speaker 1: Fullbacks here or in the draft, we're just we're just
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are a team without a fullback and they
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of production from it. Anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had dinner with the Raider guys last night. We
Speaker 1: were we were having we were having fullback story. We
Speaker 1: were swapping full We were like, oh wait a minute,
Speaker 1: our guy like they want their guy back and they
Speaker 1: want our guy back. Yeah, exactly, okay, exactly. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: the fullbacks here haven't done much. But Travan Westco from
Speaker 1: West Virginia, who is basically a tight end, but he's
Speaker 1: they're they're using the mass seventy seven pounds. I saw.
Speaker 1: He's a big boy. They're using him as more of
Speaker 1: a fullback here and he's seventy thank you too. Seven.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a huge catch radius, but he's he battles,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he at the top of Rountes
Speaker 1: and he's trying to gain separation. And there's something too.
Speaker 1: Trevon Westco, I don't know. I don't know that he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a high draft pick at all. Like top,
Speaker 1: I don't know he's gonna go top five rounds. But
Speaker 1: once you get in the later rounds, Travon Westco is interesting.
Speaker 1: Is he like? Is he what you like drapped in
Speaker 1: a long snapper? You know what I'm saying when you
Speaker 1: always dropped that long snapper in the six or seventh round, right,
Speaker 1: But I mean with with Westco because he was a
Speaker 1: tight end of West Virginia playing fullback here, I think
Speaker 1: you know, he gives a little bit of versatility where
Speaker 1: he can do maybe a little both be that ah back.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be specialized because so the offensive view to
Speaker 1: fullback position so differently around the league. You're not kidding,
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be. He's not gonna be for everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, there might only be four teams that like him.
Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of one of those four
Speaker 1: teams have a draft pick in the six or seventh
Speaker 1: round that they're willing to use on a player if
Speaker 1: you'd rather spend a draft pick on a really really
Speaker 1: good fullback or a really really good kicker, And I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: I'm a kicker. I think you're right. Which I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, let's leave like Dixon out of it,
Speaker 1: like he's a special case. Clearly, Like youbody, think about
Speaker 1: the the think about the kid that the Vikings took
Speaker 1: in the third round, Carlson, yep, I mean they got
Speaker 1: rid of him, They dumped a third got Dan Bailey. Well,
Speaker 1: how about the um I mean they about the Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bucks traded up. That's which that too. That scares the
Speaker 1: It scares the hell automated draft. I would be totally
Speaker 1: fine drafting a kicker, but not until like the sixth
Speaker 1: round because then, like there's no pressure on a sixth round,
Speaker 1: or there should Carlson, guy, I mean he made everything
Speaker 1: at Auburn. Yeah, he got to Minnesota. I mean they're
Speaker 1: losing games that kids of him head games. Man, he's
Speaker 1: a mental position. I guess, uh got one more I
Speaker 1: had to have exactly one one more thing. We gotta
Speaker 1: take a break to We'll come back finish this thing up. Dan,
Speaker 1: you you gotta do this for us. But Junior wants
Speaker 1: to know, like what position group. Junior wants to know
Speaker 1: has disappointed you the most this week. He's gonna tell
Speaker 1: you a quarterback. Yeah, I think it has been the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And we talked about it yesterday, and you know, watching
Speaker 1: the tape m of Wednesday's practice, because that's what you know. Tuesday,
Speaker 1: you let them get acclimated to the situation. Then Wednesday, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see you ramp it up. It wasn't games, not really,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like just completely terrible, right, but none
Speaker 1: of them impressed. Daniel Jones threw two interceptions. One was
Speaker 1: just a bad decision that he forced this year. Adderle
Speaker 1: got him U. The other one is receiver fell down
Speaker 1: and so Penn State corner got him um. But you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the seven on seven drills and the
Speaker 1: team drills a checkdowns a lot, and sometimes that's the
Speaker 1: best decision, but you don't get anything out of that.
Speaker 1: Guys are getting scared a little bit. Is the nerves
Speaker 1: starting to get to some of these guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm asking your question, it's hard to answer watching the tape,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of these guys are covered so like
Speaker 1: I mean, not all the time. Some of the times
Speaker 1: and so they don't have the opportunity. I mean, they
Speaker 1: can't create a window that's not there. Um, So I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's so much that they're getting a
Speaker 1: little skittish, but um, honestly, Jared Stidham made the best
Speaker 1: throw of your story's practice. It was it was a
Speaker 1: simple ten yard out route to Anthony Johnson, right, but
Speaker 1: it was the opposite hash and he had to put
Speaker 1: perfect placement in timing on it so Anthony Johnson could
Speaker 1: make the throw along the sideline without the defender undercutting it. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Stidham had the best throw. Gare. I think Minshew had
Speaker 1: a couple of nice throws, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty blaw practice. So Thursday, all right, quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: You said you wanted you had something you wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought of this. I think of this every year,
Speaker 1: and you know, I get it. The Senior Bowl. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to promote yourself. You gotta remind people why
Speaker 1: this is important, and YadA YadA. So every year, they've
Speaker 1: got promotional material everywhere. I mean, Baker Mayfield is everywhere
Speaker 1: this week, as he should be a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dak and Wentz. I remember Ziggyanza was all
Speaker 1: over the promotional material after he blew up. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask y'all if you had to guess when
Speaker 1: we come back here a year from now, whose face
Speaker 1: are we going to see all over the posters, you know,
Speaker 1: and promotional material for the Senior Bowl. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Sweat Okay, that's that is the one that jumps to
Speaker 1: my mind right away. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean to me, this is where you know you
Speaker 1: talk about Montest Sweat, the defensive end from Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: He's the one guy I'm I'm gonna be fascinated to
Speaker 1: see it when it's all said and done, when we
Speaker 1: get to these rushers and where they stack, you know,
Speaker 1: post Combine getting into the draft, what people really really
Speaker 1: feel about him? That guy, to me at six six
Speaker 1: two fifty two has got a ton of ability to
Speaker 1: rush the past, and I think he's gonna be the guy.
Speaker 1: Maybe he had Dak you said, Missisipipi state guy quarterbacks quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's all about the length with the sweat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he used that length that he can be deadly.
Speaker 1: I I'd probably go Daniel Jones. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it depends on where he goes. Daniel Jones goes to,
Speaker 1: you know, the Giants quarterback from If he goes to
Speaker 1: the Giants at six and Eli Manning plays most of
Speaker 1: the year or then obviously it's not gonna work. But
Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones goes to Miami and they give Tannehill
Speaker 1: the boot or something like that, and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is up having a decent rookie year, then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, we could talk about
Speaker 1: him as being a poster boy down here in Mobile.
Speaker 1: Where where Daniel Jones rank as far as those quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and last year's draft of the top guys, you love
Speaker 1: doing that, I do. I just want to see a
Speaker 1: little bit of a comparison. If I could four after
Speaker 1: for me the guys of the Allens, so after after Darnold,
Speaker 1: Rosen and Baker. Yeah right, I would go Jones because
Speaker 1: for me, I had three quarterbacks in top ten last
Speaker 1: year right right as Baker and Rosen. All three were
Speaker 1: in that I considered top ten picks. And then there's
Speaker 1: a huge gap. And then I think I had Allen
Speaker 1: at like thirty overall, and then Lamar Jackson thirty two overall.
Speaker 1: I think Haskins and Daniel Jones would be somewhere in
Speaker 1: the middle. Um, I think the top three quarterbacks last
Speaker 1: year would be my top three quarterbacks this year. Well,
Speaker 1: I think they would be the top three quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: most draft classes. I mean maybe, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean Rosen, he has his up and downs. What
Speaker 1: Rosen does with this new coach, it's hard not to
Speaker 1: have hindsight with big. Of course, I have someone comparison.
Speaker 1: And again, if you have believed my quarterback evaluations, you're
Speaker 1: probably going down the wrong road. It's true, you suck
Speaker 1: at it. I do, I suck a Jody Harrington. No,
Speaker 1: but I've got I got Mahomes right, I'll give you Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I fought I got that one right. But but yeah, overall,
Speaker 1: I thought that Josh Rosen, I thought he was Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1: I mean I seriously thought. I mean I watching him
Speaker 1: play still could be Yeah. Absolutely, That's why I want
Speaker 1: to see him play with this guy. Yeah, I think it.
Speaker 1: I think where this quarterback goes from Duke. I did not,
Speaker 1: which you know, we're just getting into the process, like
Speaker 1: I know the name, but I did not realize that
Speaker 1: he is that highly thought of that you would take
Speaker 1: him right after those top three Jones I'm talking about, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's he's just got a lot
Speaker 1: of what you want. I take him ahead of Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: I take Hi ahead of Lamar Jackson, and I feel
Speaker 1: better about long term. So depending depending on the situation,
Speaker 1: you think there's a good chance he's starting a healthy
Speaker 1: amount of games next year, depending on the situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in my last mock draft and him going seven of
Speaker 1: the Jags, so you know it. Who knows where they're
Speaker 1: going to sign a Foals or a Flacco or you know,
Speaker 1: something like, we'll see what the Jags do. But they're
Speaker 1: going to be in the quarterback market, so that's a
Speaker 1: potential landing spot. The Redskins is Alex Smith coming back.
Speaker 1: You know, just see his cast the other day, Like
Speaker 1: it looks like a submarine, there's so much metal on
Speaker 1: its leg. I feel bad for the guy. The wild
Speaker 1: card in all this, of course, we go back to
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. That's who's gonna fall in love with him?
Speaker 1: Who's gonna take We planned that out with the Raider
Speaker 1: guys last night. He's Oakland Pick twenty seven, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: pick yeah, pick twenty seven, Kyler Murray. I'll make him
Speaker 1: calling my shot here. I just don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: last that long. But see, all it takes with him
Speaker 1: is one one team to follow takes four that I said,
Speaker 1: we talked about this last night. That would be kind
Speaker 1: of hard. Knock me. It would shock me, and I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm sure I would be shocked. Five nine
Speaker 1: quarterback on the top. I'll put it this way. Do
Speaker 1: not be surprised where if he goes one or if
Speaker 1: he goes thirty, do not be surprised. It or anywhere,
Speaker 1: but just saying that's gonna be the fun first night
Speaker 1: for us in the draft. Do you not be surprised
Speaker 1: if he at this point last year we would have
Speaker 1: said it would be crazy for a six foot quarterback
Speaker 1: to get the number one overall. You're right, he did,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now. But if he's surprised at anything,
Speaker 1: most of us, most of us will pretty convinced Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield was gonna be a top ten pick at least
Speaker 1: where no but like nobody can agree on Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: Like you know, some people are saying top five and
Speaker 1: some people are saying not in the first round. That's
Speaker 1: it's he's the ultimate wild card. Yeah, the the I
Speaker 1: was just looking down at periscope and one of the
Speaker 1: questions they wanted to know, Dane, if you could tell
Speaker 1: who the top safeties in this year's draft. He talked
Speaker 1: about as the top safety and I saw that just
Speaker 1: caught my eye. Just wanted from Alabama. Alabama, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see. He has such a good start to the year,
Speaker 1: then he kind of tailed off a little bit. I
Speaker 1: think his eye discipline needs work. Um, and he's not
Speaker 1: as I's He's got good height and length, but he's
Speaker 1: a little lean, right, he's about six two nine pounds,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. We'll see how we can he
Speaker 1: hold up because I think he has a physical mentality,
Speaker 1: but can he actually hold up and run support, That'll
Speaker 1: be a big question. Um after him, Taylor raf from
Speaker 1: washing Tonight like a lot a guy who is here,
Speaker 1: but we haven't had a chance to see him. Jonathan
Speaker 1: Abram from Misissippi State Right, like him a lot. He's
Speaker 1: just flying missile all over the place. I really like
Speaker 1: his play personality and what he brings not only the field,
Speaker 1: but also, uh just my locker room. And I think
Speaker 1: he's a good influence there. He's he's married, he's kind
Speaker 1: of advanced in his life, so I think you're getting
Speaker 1: him ature player. Uh One Thornhill after that, Chauncey Gardner
Speaker 1: Johnson from Florida. So I think it's a it's not
Speaker 1: a bad safety group, but it's um, it's not great either,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a decent group where you can find
Speaker 1: starters four or five guys, right, yeah, top seventy five picks, right,
Speaker 1: you can be able to find a guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a nice contributor for you and probably hopefully a starter.
Speaker 1: What are you expecting today from practice? Like I said,
Speaker 1: I just want to see some guys. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: my focus. You're gonna have on somebody today. We'll focus
Speaker 1: on a position. Off the top of my head, I
Speaker 1: want to watch and that's why I kept asking about it.
Speaker 1: I want to watch some of these offensive lineman Um Dillard,
Speaker 1: the kid from Washington, Washington State. I'm intrigued by that.
Speaker 1: I Like I said, I'm I'm intrigued by tackle being
Speaker 1: a need for this team, for the Cowboys. I mean,
Speaker 1: some of these pass rushers. Um, I don't want to
Speaker 1: watch sweat because I don't want to be reminded that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have no shot at drafting him. Right, Hey,
Speaker 1: character stuff you never know all the way to fifty eight?
Speaker 1: Yeah and literally but monthest what might not go as
Speaker 1: early as some people think because of the background stuff,
Speaker 1: which okay, you know it's people in Missisipi State will
Speaker 1: tell you he was great. But you yeah, oh god,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that again. Yeah. Um, maybe maybe some corners.
Speaker 1: Uh you know the kid from Texas. How do I
Speaker 1: say his name? Dane Charles A Mena. Who, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got to see this reach. I'm gonna try to look
Speaker 1: at everything because I've seen so little this year that
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna try to watch as much as possible today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and as I look down again on the periscope, you
Speaker 1: see Kke Garrison producing on the fly the Andre Dillard
Speaker 1: and where he's gonna go. You're right, I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do need an offensive tackle, especially with what going
Speaker 1: on with Cam Fleming. You may bean Cam Fleming is
Speaker 1: a free agent, Tyron Smith wear and tear Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: is heading into a contract here. Absolutely absolutely. And Andre
Speaker 1: Dillard it's been I don't think he's been great, but
Speaker 1: he hasn't been terrible. It's been a little up and
Speaker 1: down for him. So if he caps off the week
Speaker 1: with a good practice today, they'll be big for him because,
Speaker 1: again one of the storylines coming into the week, he's
Speaker 1: a potential first round pick Canny get in that first round.
Speaker 1: He needed a big week this week. I don't think
Speaker 1: that we've necessarily seen that yet. I think he's a
Speaker 1: really good player. He's an NFL starter, But a strong
Speaker 1: practice today would go a long way to kind of
Speaker 1: boost in his profile. What are you looking at there,
Speaker 1: Scott Man. Well, unfortunately I won't be able to watch
Speaker 1: the practice, his love, but I'll watch the tape tonight.
Speaker 1: So eager to see these quarterbacks showing me something. You know.
Speaker 1: He finished strong and specifically Drew Lock and Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: Want to see them do well. Ye can see more
Speaker 1: of the Deebo Samuel Rocius in battle. That's been a
Speaker 1: common theme this week, and just more in the trenches.
Speaker 1: The d lines really had their way with the offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: It's so far through two practices. Can the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: flip the script play a little better? So that's a
Speaker 1: few things I'll be looking at. I'm gonna focus on
Speaker 1: that one on one, the pass rush drill and try
Speaker 1: and do my best to focus. It's split. We have
Speaker 1: to focus on pass rush drill and then you have
Speaker 1: to focus on one on one with the receivers and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I want to see some of the
Speaker 1: offensive lineman come off the ball and block somebody today. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see some guys climb some guys. I'm
Speaker 1: a full pad, you be able to do that. All right,
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