WEBVTT - A Catch-Up with Geoff Shackelford 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.480 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:04.880 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.320 And when I find my ball. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.920 In a bright egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.039 Frida egg egg egg, Frida egg bride egg lie, I'm 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.080 about ready to run off the golf course. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.800 Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.960 Andy Johnson, and today I will be joined by Jeff Shackelford. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.360 Jeff is the founder of the Quadrilateral. 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You're missing out 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.440 if you're not, if you're not getting it. To be 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:53.760 completely honest, Jeff, you're fresh off of home game, getting 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.839 ready for another one, A little home stand for you. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.240 The Lateral focuses on the majors of golf. So yeah, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.520 the US Women's Open just this past weekend at Riviera. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.320 You're gearing up for the Curtis Cup this week before 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.120 hopping on a flight to Shinney. Uh. This is the 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:10.800 busiest the quad's ever been here. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.440 Uh yeah, Uh, not ideal, but not as bad as 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.880 it is for the USGA staff, a different people who 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.839 are working, you know, at least two of the three 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.839 weeks and trying to do all the things I do 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.200 with golf's longest stay in between. So I'm not going 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.760 to complain. And it's a lot of fun. When it's 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.680 a home game. It just makes it a lot easier. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:30.520 So I'm I'm. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.359 Uh, I've been excited about this Curtis Cup for a 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.280 while now, after you know, just the Walker Cups, and 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.120 I do I do do the cup events that matter. 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.560 In the newsletter as well, So we'll leave it at that. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:45.599 I'm i'm but I'm excited. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.039 It's it's going to be a good run, and I 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.280 think Shinna Cock's going to be much better this time. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.679 I'm just worried about you and the media center food 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.360 for three straight weeks, you know, That's That's what I'm 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:56.359 worried about. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.760 Yeah, it's it's a challenge, but thankfully the current us 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:04.000 g A group values a little bit well. They value 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.440 food that's edible and occasionally healthy so well, and the 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.120 coffee is key. We get they they feed us great coffee, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.360 as you know, and that's really, you know, writers, really 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.479 the food isn't that important to us. It's it's the 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:21.440 Wi Fi, the parking, and the coffee situation. So when 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.960 you look at it that way, the USGA usually does 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:24.560 pretty well. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.920 I don't want to date you. Were you ever in 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:33.640 media centers as a young, young, enterprising golf journalist where 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:35.039 we're smoking was allowed? 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.800 No, I grew up. I've been on airplanes with smoking. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.400 I am old enough for that, but no, no, I've 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.640 been in a press center with what was the thing 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.039 after typewriters. 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.280 They're they're sort of that they're not. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.040 A teletype, but it's a it's I watched Jim Murray 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.839 work on this with with water dripping from the cart 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.520 barn roof there at Riviera, just unfazed. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:02.760 So I try to think. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.200 Of that when I'm really whining one day, Like you know, 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.800 I've got literally I can I have a camera in 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:08.400 my phone. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.520 I mean, the equipment's amazing. I can put it all 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:12.320 on a backpack. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.279 I've got a laptop and I think, you know, Jim 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.560 Murray was trying to bang out brilliant stuff, which he 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.840 did in far worse working conditions. So and I can't 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.000 even imagine a room full of typewriters and smoking. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.400 And I just I have asked people about the old Augusta. 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.520 They said it wasn't just that then, it was the 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.880 Quantt Hut and where the acoustics were just it wasn't 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.240 like our little cafe there. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.720 Now with a nice wood ceiling. It was just aluminum. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.279 And I don't know everybody got anything done, much less 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:44.400 wrote a decent article. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.599 I feel like, you know, I just think about this. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.120 This is probably true of like a lot of professions, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.039 like anybody that watched mad Men and like you know, 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.520 just the day the day of a New York ad Men, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.560 like you know, with the boozy life. The thing that 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.440 made golf journalism or any sports journalism go was like 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:10.560 a concoction of cigarettes, coffee and alcohol. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.600 Yeah, and that is the one area where I do 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:14.360 gripe still. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.400 It's like, you know, the master serves up. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.400 They opened the bar right after the champions press conference. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.440 And you can tell how I feel about the winner 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.440 based on if both hands are full with an azalea, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:27.840 with the cosamigos. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.600 Although they changed tequila this year. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.960 But yeah, I've gotten some funny looks in recent years, Sandy, 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.120 when I've asked, do we have any we have any 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.280 beer wine? You know, these stories don't write themselves on 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.400 a Sunday night, especially when you get a Brian Harmon 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:47.000 win or something and they, you know, new times, they 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.880 look at you like huh. And Longhurst just brought the 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.120 gin in. Of course, we can't even bring something in. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.160 And then he of course famously had a he was 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.080 hammered on the air on CBS. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:57.800 He had a vase. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.520 I have no idea how he got up and down 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.720 that stand on seventeen. It's it's a it's scary, but 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:05.280 he did it. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.200 Not to not to do a hard transition. Well, I 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.800 will say, you know, one of my great regrets is 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.880 that every every Sunday of the Masters, it looks like 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.320 just such a wonderful time. The bar opens, and I'm 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.040 always scurrying out to record a podcast. Yeah, it's just like, 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.680 you know, the world's smallest violin hazards of your occupation. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.120 But that's what I always have to do. I bypassed 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.640 the bar, say goodbye to everybody. It is always interesting 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.000 to be also who's already got their story done by 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.040 the time. Yeah, it's like the story is all written. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.839 I'm just thrown in a quote here, a quote there, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:47.840 and I'm hitting the open bar. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.920 Yeah, that's the newsletter world. I can't do that. And 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.400 then I I understand why people do it. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.440 But especially the last couple of years, it's it's it's 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.480 actually fun to be there late, see who's grinding, and 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.079 it does help to have that little bit of lubrication 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.120 in case it's But I mean, the last two have 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.560 been pretty special to write about, but you could probably 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.959 imagine there were a couple others recently that we're a 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.439 little more work. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.480 All Right. You've watched a ton of golf at Riviera 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.000 through the years and professional events. You've played a ton 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.400 of golf at Riviera. It's probably the golf course you've 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.679 spent the most time at in your life. I'm guessing. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:33.199 What was it like watching the greatest women take Riviera 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.480 on at this week's US Women's Open. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.760 It was incredible, Andy and unfortunately will make me more 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.559 bitter and more obnoxious about the distance issue. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.160 But it was. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.720 Just stunning to see how certain holes played. What it 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:54.480 was like to watch certain hazards and bunkers have meaning, 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:01.000 and really the setup was was just right in terms 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.120 of being generous there. Yeah, I had my quibbles with 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.480 all locations, days used, and some teas were up surprisingly 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.400 short that weren't needed, things like that, But overall the 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.400 rough was perfect because it was it was. It was tough, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.040 but you could all kind of You could get some 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.120 good lies, you could get some horrible lies, and Nelly 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:28.079 hit some incredible recoveries from it that my Angelino fellow 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.920 Angelina's didn't really quite understand how good they were, but 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:32.160 we can. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:32.720 Talk about that. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.920 It was I'm very all air on the side of 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.400 an ignorant cloud crowd over an obnoxious one, and this 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:43.719 was just a wonderful crowd. The vibes out there were 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.400 just amazing, and a lot of kids too. But yeah, 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:52.840 so to see the tenth hole play the way it did, yeah, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.160 I put a stat in the newsletter today. The women 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.760 largely laid up and even the ones who drove it 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.760 got typically nobody really finishes on the green when they 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:07.200 drive it, and they still hit sixty nine percent of 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.200 the shots and regulation hitting into the green, and the 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.920 men this year were seventy three all basically playing as 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:18.600 a par three. Nobody laid up this year. And to me, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.559 if the data gurus who have driven this mindset of 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.120 just drive the green and take your chances thing, I 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.600 would hope they'd look at that number and go, huh, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.679 so we were only four percent better doing the bomb 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.800 and gouge thing. And yet but bringing in all this 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:40.240 stress with the shenanigans that can take place going back 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.880 and forth, and the bunkers and the bottle brush trees 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.840 and all the stuff you see there. So I doubt 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.559 they will, but I think it'd be interesting to know 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:53.280 how those conversations go before the next Genesis based on 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:54.640 what the women did laying up. 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.040 Well, what's interesting too about that is if you take 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:03.120 a US Women's Open field, like the bottom third of 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:07.439 that field is like I mean, you're comparing the Genesis, 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.440 which is a small signature event literally the one hundred 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.319 best players in the world. You know, of course, before 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.240 the live people get back, roughly one hundred of the 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.640 one hundred and twenty players of the world are at 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.320 that event. And you know the US Women's Open you 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:30.640 have you know, young kids qualifying, you have a wide 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:34.320 array of players and skills just because of the open nature. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.600 It's one of the things that makes the tournament great. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.319 But it is like an aspect of it's this giant 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.200 field and there's a lot of players that aren't to 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.360 the up to stuff of uber Elite, and it's so 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.240 those data, the data numbers, you know, and we have 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.680 a lot of unfaithful data experts in the community data 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.040 community of golf, but a faithful one that was you know, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:03.480 really using their braid by might like, you know, move 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.400 that number up even more because of to you know, 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.520 kind of try and equal the data out, yeah, or 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.200 you or the takeaway is that women are significantly better 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:16.199 wedge players than men. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.960 I think that's an I think that's a discussion that's 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.920 legitimate to have because you know, I sit back there 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.720 at that green a lot with Doug Ferguson and over 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.640 the years, and and it does shock me that there's 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.839 literally Alex Norin and Justin Thomas, who are some of 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.000 the last guys to lay up and Tiger hit a 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:40.199 shot similar to this that hit a high cutting, soft 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:44.200 landing wedge. It's just unbelievable. How many of these these 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.960 guys just hit this thing that's just coming in hot 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.240 and you're like, well, what do you expect it to 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.880 do when it lands? And Thomas always it's this high 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.600 soft thing and Atlanta takes one bounce soft bounce and 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.840 and that's why he lays out or used to lay up, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.440 even he drove it this year. But I think it 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.320 is a legitimate thing to wonder about as to what 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.160 are you doing with a wedgeineer and do you not 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.920 have other shots that you can take something off it? 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.679 And because you do need to hit it with a 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.120 little bit of cut spin just the way the green 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:16.680 is shaped. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.080 Yeah, what were there any other holes that kind of 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:25.280 stood out besides ten as ones that you just you know, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.920 hadn't seen played in that manner in a long time. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.120 The part fives, all three of them, even though they 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.040 played the seventeenth, which is historically a long part five 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.520 that was never reachable until recent years. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.440 You know, I mean people literally knew the players who 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.800 had reached it over the years, you know, Weiss Cough, 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.240 John Daily, Tom Layman. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:46.240 It was. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.480 It was literally a one page list until the juice 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.360 equipment era, and now it's now it's reachable if there's 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.040 any helping win for probably at least half the field 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:01.080 of a normal genesis. But so yeah, watching so number 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.200 one had had real meaning and you had woods going 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.720 into it, the wind picked up yesterday you got a 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.520 couple I think one or two maybe long irons in 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.280 So that was fun. That boomerang green had had real 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.840 meaning in terms of I saw a lot of women 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.240 I thought misplay it. By the way, surprising how many 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.880 women play a draw, and because you just don't see 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.320 a draw anymore with the men unless it's an intentional 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.840 shot trying to get around a corner or something. And 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.440 I was surprised at that because it really it's a 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.400 beautiful green to hit a cut into it with a 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.360 wood and feed it down to pretty much every whole location, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.480 but maybe yesterday's which is in this back wing. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.640 And then at number eleven, think about the draw. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:45.280 Yeah. 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.520 I don't know if this was the case with you 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:52.400 as a junior, but I feel like all the juniors 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.360 of my you know, not all of them, but a 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.840 lot of them when I was growing up, you hit 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.560 a draw because you needed to hit the ball further. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.280 Yeah, yeah, And that's probably the case. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.120 Right, because you get that overspin and you get you 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.840 can get five ten extra yards and the way the 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.960 equipment change was that, you know, the knuckle cut came 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.600 to be with the pro v one x, and as 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:21.200 soon as the knuckle cut became a formidable opponent to 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.800 the distance you could get out of a draw, nobody 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.080 played played the draw anymore. It was actually a huge disadvantage. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.240 But where you're trying to pick up extra yards, and 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.560 I think for the women's like ten extra yards is huge. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.680 Yes, yeah, there's no question that's that's why some of 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.040 them are doing it. But I again, I was still 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:44.880 shocked how many that was their predominant shot shape. Uh say, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.800 Young Kim used it a lot and uh and it's 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.720 not typically a good golf course for a draw a 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.960 right hander straw. But you know, she obviously didn't phaze 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.960 her because she was right there to the end. So yeah, 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.200 So so that was one thing on one that was 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.120 interesting to see because now it's just a three wood 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:09.680 and uh and six iron, seven iron and uh. They 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.520 a lot of guys also hit it into the where 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.119 the merchandise tent was and the media tent in the 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.440 practice the old practice fairway and the fan village early 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.280 in the week, all all of the sort of Riviera 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.879 locals that I know, we were all looking at it, like, 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.760 what is the USGA doing. They're gonna get bombarded over there. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.000 That's where the the you know, the third of the 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.840 shots seems like the men are over there, partly because 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.879 you know, you're nervous on the first tee. Sometimes people 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.640 just floil one out second hal for whatever reason, they 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.000 always go right. Everybody's you have all the world to 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.840 the left. But anyway, the women hit it much straighter 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.280 and there were very few balls over there. I I 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.159 uh so that U that was the USGA's view is 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.120 that they just hit a straighter But the part five 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.400 eleventh they played from the same tea as the men 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.400 and knowing that there was going to be a good 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.560 helping sea breeze. No sant Ana wins during this time 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:07.040 of year, and it was just fantastic because you really 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.240 they also pushed the rough line or the rope line 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.159 back on the right so that the rough had meaning 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.480 on the trees, which I'm not a huge advocate of 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:16.320 that kind of thing. 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.800 But it really is great because. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.000 It brought the baranca that intersects the whole, you know, 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.600 halfway bisex the whole, and it's at a beautiful little 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.840 angle the way it sits so you can get over 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.280 on the right, and many many times back in the 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:38.439 old days of different equipment, that was you know, what 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.160 do you do do you get over the baranca on tour? 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:41.680 Do you lay up and then have a wood endo 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.000 the green? And we saw that restored. It really meant 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.440 you had to get the t shot in the fairway 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.080 and it was a blast to watch. And but then 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.760 the wind got to the point where they hit basically 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.200 where the guys hit it yesterday. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:57.680 They had some huge. 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.520 Drives because it was really howling at that point, but 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.800 it was still a true three shotter. And then seventeen 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.240 was really fun as a reachable part five and it 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.200 was just the right thing kind of in the mix 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.880 of holes it would have been pretty boring. 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:17.000 Is just from the back tee as just a old 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:18.120 school three shotters. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.040 So those were the holes that really stood out to 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.520 me in just terms of because as you know the 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:27.280 field first few days, there's some really short hitting, there's 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:32.240 some very young players, and Shannon's set up airing on 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.320 the side of making sure they tried to get them 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.520 around with the tees. She also though used some all 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.600 locations that are some of the hardest on the course, 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.399 so I didn't quite understand that, but there were some 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.679 te's that were way up and so it distorted a 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.000 little bit how those holes played. But all in all, 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.560 it was a really great setup and just so fun 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.240 to see some more dynamics brought back to the golf 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:01.560 course that are just just completely gone when the Genesis comes. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:02.439 Yeah. 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.320 I that was kind of one of my big takeaways, 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:11.000 like seeing a lower trajectory shot in you know, effectively 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.919 you know, made made angles more important. And then also 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:21.719 the hazards just in general were so much greater of penalty, 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.560 but also so many more in play. And you know, 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.119 you mentioned the Baranca on eleven. I mean, think about 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.159 the Genesis. Sometimes you got guys taking three wood just 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.320 keep it short of it, and like you're seeing some 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.200 of the best women in the world heavy to lay 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.879 up in front of it and hit hit you know, 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:42.000 lumber in. 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.439 Yeah, and uh yeah, it really has has Uh it 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.040 was really eye opening to to and and I just 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.359 started looking at some of the comparisons on the shot 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:57.280 link numbers and uh it, you know, the one thing 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.240 with the women hitting it shorter the eighth hole, which 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.000 is all screwed up anyway, but it almost nobody went 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.719 left I think fifteen times on the alternate fairway because 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.560 the tea is in the wrong spot anyway. But then 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.879 it's also was a little far back, so that was 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:15.560 one hole where the lack of distance didn't make things pop. 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:19.679 But overall it just it really I'm really at the 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.280 point now I'm going to reflect on a little bit more. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.440 But I and you know, I use the reference juice 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.679 equipment era, but more and more, you just after seeing 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.320 something like that, you just you start to say, well, 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.359 I mean, are we are in our equivalent of the 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:35.160 steroid era? 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:36.640 The records? 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.000 Really we should start questioning whether some of these things 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:44.480 should count because the advantage of men get from from 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.399 the modern equipment and what they're doing and what it means. 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:48.520 Just it really is. 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:54.040 It's pitiful at this point, and it's so less interesting 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.679 to watch, and the fact that we're still having this 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:03.119