1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz week in Review. 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: Ben Ferguson with you, and these are the stories that 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: you may have missed that we talked about this week. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: The mayor of Dallas won a race. He had a 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: D next to his name, so the question is after 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: he changed to become a Republican, could he still win 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: that same election. We'll break that down for you with 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: our guests the Mayor of Dallas. Also, what will big 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: tech look like and how much influence could it have 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: over this country? I'm talking about politically, and with Ai 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: we sit down with a tech expert to talk about 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: the future of big tech in America. And finally, the 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: White House Press Secretary Jean Pierre stands next to the 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: President and demands that Republicans fix the border, even though 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: they're the ones that destroyed it. So what do we 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: do to fight back? We talk about that as well. 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: It's Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Weekend Review, and it 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: starts right now. You were up for reelection right now, 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: running as a Republican for mayor. Yes, your policies haven't changed. 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: The only things changed is they d went to an R. 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: Correct. 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: Could you win I'd win overwhelmingly. I don't have any 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 4: doubt about it, no doubt about it. And I'll tell 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: you why I believe that. I'll tell you why I'm glad. 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 4: Someone finally asked me that on the record. That's sort 27 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 4: of the chatter as well. 28 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: That's why I asked. 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: The other going to say, oh, well, this guy I 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: could never win, that's why he waited till the end 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: of his serve and then switch parties. 32 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 4: So here here's the reality that people have to ignore 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 4: to even make that argument. But I understand why people 34 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 4: need to make it. I mean I told someone, I said, 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: you know, you don't switch parties in the two parties 36 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 4: from one of the other. And I think the other 37 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 4: party is going to say, well, you know, we wish 38 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 4: him the best. He was great, and it's our loss. 39 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 4: You know, they got to come up with something, and 40 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 4: this is kind of These are the kinds of arguments 41 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: they've come up with. But here's the reality I won 42 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: my last election with. It wasn't ninety three percent. Dallas City, 43 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 4: you know, has ordinances about how write in candidates get 44 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 4: on the ballot, and if you write in a name 45 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: other than the actual right in candidate's name that's there. 46 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 4: You just essentially didn't vote. You threw your vote, your 47 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 4: bollot in the trash of the cast votes, which were 48 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: canvassed by the city and are the official records of 49 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 4: the city. Ninety eight point seven percent of the vote. 50 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: That's Democrats and Republicans in that group. That's a pretty 51 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 4: hearty endorsement of the incumbent mayor. 52 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: And I didn't run with a D or an R 53 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: behind my name. 54 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 4: I ran just with you, know, as Eric Johnson, because 55 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: you don't run in Texas, in any city with a 56 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: D or for folks who aren't from Texas, we don't 57 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 4: actually have partisan elections in Texas for mayor. You just run, 58 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 4: and you don't run with a party support. Now, what 59 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: do I think would have actually happened if I had 60 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 4: just come out and said six months before the election, 61 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 4: I'm actually a Republican. 62 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: Here's what would have happened. 63 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: Some Democrats would have gotten together and said, well, this 64 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: is an opportunity for us to run an ostensibly just 65 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: overtly hartisan candidate. We're going to do something that's never 66 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 4: been done in dabasmore, which is to just make it partisan, 67 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: like to say Okay, we got an R running, and 68 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: now we're going to run a D against them. The 69 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: problem is that the R you're talking about for four 70 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: years well enough to clear the field and win with 71 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 4: ninety eight or seven percent of the vote. 72 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: But that didn't happen yet. 73 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: So let's just go back and say a Republican has 74 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 4: been that effective who happens to also be African American 75 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 4: and supported by the African American community. We think that 76 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 4: that person would lose simply by saying I've become a Republican. 77 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 4: I think what happens is is I won the first 78 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: race in a contested nine person field that it went 79 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 4: to a runoff with twelve percent of the vote. I 80 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: wont you know, fifty six forty four. I think that 81 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 4: goes down to the normal, you know, pretty solid win 82 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: of a you know, fifty four fifty three percent win. 83 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: But I still win. 84 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 4: There's still question I still win that race because I'm 85 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 4: the incumbent at that point. No incumbent if we've had 86 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: Republican and Democrat mayors before. 87 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: By the way, no. 88 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: Incumbent mayor seeking re election in Dallas has ever lost ever. 89 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 5: All Right, so let me ask a final question, which 90 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 5: is you have started now a national organization, the Republican 91 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 5: Mayors Association, and you have been out articulating that Republicans 92 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 5: need to have an agenda for the cities, that we 93 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 5: can't just write off big cities where an awful lot 94 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 5: of Americans live. And I think that's a very important message. 95 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 5: It's something and I want to ask you, what's your 96 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 5: vision for the message Republicans should have in the cities 97 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 5: and how do we end up with a lot more 98 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 5: Republican mayors to big cities. What's the path forward there? 99 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: I said this in the Wall Street Journale, and I 100 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: meant it. 101 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 4: It's a two way benefit for America and. 102 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: For our party. 103 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 4: America needs the leadership that Republicans provide at the local 104 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: level because of the things we talked about just a 105 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: few minutes ago. A Republican mayor is going to is 106 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: going to because it's part of the DNA of the party, 107 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 4: is going to be right on law and order issues, 108 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: going to be right on public safety. People who've asked 109 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: me about that, I've said, let me just quiz you 110 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 4: very quickly. Every bad idea you can think of about 111 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: public safety came from one side of the aisle. There's 112 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: not even a mixed bag on this issue. If it's 113 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 4: a bad idea. When it comes to public safety, you know, 114 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: defund the police, don't prosecute, shop with whatever. Republicans don't 115 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 4: propose ideas that undermine law and order. 116 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: They not every. 117 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 4: Democrat believes them, but they only emanate from the Democrat. 118 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 3: That's just a factual statement. 119 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 4: So a Republican is going to be right on law 120 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 4: and order in public safety, a Republican mayor is going 121 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: to be right on taxes. A Republican mayor ought to 122 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: be right on infrastructure spending and investing prudently. And there's 123 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: studies that show, I mean been they have proven that 124 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 4: you actually have lower debt levels and issue less debt 125 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: when you have a Republican may versus a Democrat when 126 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 4: they've mit professor actually studied this and concluded that it 127 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 4: is a statistically significant different level of debt associated with 128 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 4: a city when there's a Republican charge and a Democrat 129 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 4: in charge. So we actually need Republicans running our major 130 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 4: cities because eighty percent of Americans live in cities. By 131 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 4: twenty fifty, that number is going to be ninety percent. 132 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: So the country actually needs the leadership. But I'm actually 133 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: telling you, as a group of partisans, we actually have 134 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 4: to pay attention to this. 135 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: And I think we have to pay attention. 136 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: To it because I, in my heart of hearts, believe 137 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: that by being competitive in the cities, by basically re engaging, 138 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 4: because we were once engaged. There was a Republican Mayor's 139 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: Association at one time. It had a similar name. It 140 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: was like the Republican Conference. It was during the Ford administration, 141 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 4: and it's at some point we just lost interest in 142 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 4: competing at that level and it sort of just faded away. 143 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 4: But it was very active at one time, and we 144 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 4: were more competitive in our cities at one time. We 145 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 4: need to get more competitive there again, because the margin 146 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: of victory at the state level in states like Wisconsin, 147 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 4: in states like Michigan, states like Pennsylvania, is the difference 148 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: between performing at the city level in You're ready, Madison, 149 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: Green Bay, and in Detroit and in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh by. 150 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: Just five or ten percentage points better. 151 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: So, in other words, engaging in the cities in a 152 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: more significant way and having the GOP brand associated with 153 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: the things we're talking about at the local level, it 154 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: doesn't take that many votes, and now all of a sudden, 155 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 4: the whole state is no longer lockstock and barrel going 156 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: one direction because of the advantage has been run up 157 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: in the city. 158 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: You've cut into the advantage that the cities have. 159 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 5: You know, Eric, I'll tell you on that point. So, 160 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 5: Heidi and I met twenty five years ago when we 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 5: were both working on the George W. Bush campaign in 162 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 5: two thousand, the presidential campaign. And actually in that campaign, 163 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 5: you know, I was a young twenty nine year old staffer, 164 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 5: but I wrote a memo urging that the campaign consider 165 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 5: at the time Condolliza Rice as a VP nominee. And 166 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 5: in the course of the memo, I laid out all 167 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 5: sorts of reasons why I thought this was worth considering carefully. 168 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 5: But one of the things I did is I did 169 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 5: an electoral analysis. I looked at the three preceding presidential elections, 170 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 5: and I posited a series of hypotheticals. I said, what 171 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 5: would have happened if Republicans had gotten five percent more, 172 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 5: ten percent more, or fifteen percent more of the. 173 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: African American and Hispanic vote. 174 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 5: So I didn't posit what if we get fifty percent more? 175 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 5: I did five, ten or fifteen, so goals that were achievable, 176 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 5: I believe. And I ran through the numbers, and the 177 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 5: one that was most that stood out the most was 178 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 5: if Republicans had gotten an additional fifteen percent of the 179 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 5: African American and Hispanic vote in nineteen ninety six, Republicans 180 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 5: would have won an additional ninety six electoral votes. I mean, 181 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 5: it clips the election dramatically. But to do that, we've 182 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 5: got to compete. 183 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: It's a whole different national conversation about the competitiveness of 184 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 4: this party if we are a factor at the city level. Yep, 185 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 4: because it's just where so many people are concentrated. It's 186 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: getting hard and harder to figure out how to win 187 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: elections where we're just not even playing there, and we 188 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: just it's just not even we ought to be competing 189 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 4: in every major city where we're currently just sort of saying, 190 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 4: you know, a Democrat hasn't won. I mean, republic had 191 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 4: won there a long time, so let's not try. We 192 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: just flipped. Just in this last cycle, the mayor, the 193 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: current mayor of I believe it's Charleston, South Carolina, is 194 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 4: now a Republican. They hadn't elected a Republican mayor in 195 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: Charleston in like one hundred and seventy five years. So 196 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 4: it can happen. It can be done. You have to 197 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 4: run the right candy. He was a former legislator like 198 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: I was, and he ran a great campaign. Now they've 199 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: got a Republican mayor. So what's going to happen next 200 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 4: is he's going to do. 201 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: A good job. 202 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 4: And when he does a good job, these people who've 203 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: been voting for Democrat mayors for one hundred and seventy 204 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 4: five years are going to say, you know, when Republicans 205 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 4: are in charge, the city just seems to be it's safer, 206 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 4: we hire more cops, and crime goes down, and you 207 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 4: know what, the taxes go down, and you. 208 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: Know, things are just better. 209 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 4: The brand means something to them at the local level, 210 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 4: and not just the brand will always have a federal 211 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: aspect to it. It will always have a state aspect 212 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 4: to it. But right now in this party, we're missing 213 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: a brand at the local level. It doesn't mean anything 214 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: right now at the local level. And we get to 215 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 4: decide what it means. And I'm saying we should be 216 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: running solid conservatives at the local level, winning elections, running 217 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 4: cities well, and then that makes people at the local 218 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 4: level go, yeah, I'm actually a Republican. I love my 219 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: Republican mayor, and so I'm a Republican and that has 220 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 4: benefits for people running for US and running for president, 221 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 4: running for governor. But we are right now just aren't 222 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 4: doing anything. I mean, I was shocked to find that 223 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 4: there was no. 224 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: One even in this lane. 225 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: I wasn't even stepping on anybody's toes by doing this. 226 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 227 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast 228 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: from earlier this week. Now on too story number two. 229 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 5: You know tech better than most people alive. Where are 230 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 5: things going in terms of innovation ten years from now? 231 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 5: What should we know now that we don't know? And 232 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 5: how will the world be different in a decade. 233 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 6: Well, the really positive thing that's happening right now. And 234 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 6: I was never a uge trypto guy. I don't love 235 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 6: FIAT current and see is I think there's a good 236 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 6: use against like, you know, corrupt governments, But I was 237 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 6: never that in a crypto AI actually to me is 238 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 6: actually very real. Uh, the way to think about it. 239 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 6: We can talk all about sorts of complicated things, but 240 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 6: A simple thing to think about is productivity is just 241 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 6: really key in our economy. The reason we have more 242 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 6: wealth is we do more with less. And there's all 243 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 6: these industries in our economy where this, this AI combined 244 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 6: with operations can do things much more affordably, much cheaper. 245 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 6: And so if you look at this like healthcare building, 246 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 6: for example, we spend probably over a quarter trillion dollars 247 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 6: a year healthcare building and you can probably cut that 248 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 6: in the third over the next five or six years. 249 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 6: There's tons of areas like that. 250 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 5: So there are lots of cassandras painting stories of impending 251 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 5: doom from AI. Is AI gonna destroy us all? And 252 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 5: do you know what year does Skynet go online? 253 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: My do work a lot in defense, so I'm working 254 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: on it. 255 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 6: Said, but there's this, we can control all of you now, 256 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 6: uh no, listen, there's there's two different conversations with AIS, 257 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 6: my master, thank you, no downtown getting in trouble with 258 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 6: there does in charge. There's two different conversations with AI. 259 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 6: One of them is productivity and wealth creation, and it's 260 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 6: actually extremely positive and that's really good. The other conversation 261 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 6: with AI, it's very funny. A lot of people in 262 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 6: the tech world are not religious. They've given up their religion, 263 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 6: and so this is this is kind of like a 264 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 6: form of their religion, the singularity, the taking over the 265 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 6: world of AI. 266 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: And it's very funny. It's a very missionic vision. 267 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 6: It's very much like revelations in Judaism and Christianity, where 268 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 6: this thing comes and it changes everything and it's effectively 269 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 6: a new God because once it improves, itself keeps getting better, 270 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 6: and so it's like it's like it's like a secular religion. 271 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 6: In Silicon Valley, people are obsessed with it as they 272 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 6: talk about end of times with it all the time. 273 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 6: And it's funny because America has had a lot of 274 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 6: other religious like revival movements over the last two hundred 275 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 6: years where people were convinced that at times was coming 276 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 6: very soon. This is quite a weird one based in 277 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 6: Silicon Valley. 278 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 5: All right, so we're going to wrap up momentarily, but 279 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 5: I want to ask, so you are very engaged in policy, 280 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 5: a policy question Washington is wrestling with right now. So 281 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 5: as you know, I'm the ranking member on the Senate 282 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 5: Commerce Committee, and AI is square within our jurisdiction. In fact, 283 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 5: back in twenty fifteen, I shaired the first ever congressional 284 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 5: hearing on AI and have been focused on it for 285 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 5: a long time now. There are a lot of voices 286 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 5: in Washington, most notably Chuck Schumer, but also including some 287 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 5: Republicans that are eager for a very heavy hand of 288 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 5: government when it comes to AI, and Schumer and Democrats 289 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 5: are proposing literally prior government approval before innovations in AI. 290 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 5: I've been very vocal in saying that it's catastrophically stupid 291 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 5: and if we put government in the position of prior approval, 292 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 5: we will seed leadership of AI to our enemies, to 293 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 5: China and other countries, and we will kill American leadership. 294 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 5: I'm interested in your views because this policy discussion. I 295 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 5: got to tell you a lot of big tech, the 296 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 5: Googles and facebooks of the world, are saying yes, yes, 297 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 5: regulate us because they believe they can capture the government 298 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 5: and use it to shut everyone down. What's your take 299 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 5: on how government should approach AI, because this is as 300 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 5: hot as any question in Washington right now. 301 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 6: Well, you know, mister Sara, one hundred percent agree with you. 302 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 6: I'm really glad you're taking that tactic. As you know, 303 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 6: that big companies, allot of them know they're losing some 304 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 6: of their best talent. They know it's going to be 305 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 6: hard to compete. But you know what they have, Like, 306 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 6: if I want to start a competitor, for example, to 307 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 6: black Rock right now in New York, I've spend one 308 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 6: hundred million dollars year on lawyers even just to do 309 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 6: what they do. They love the fact there's tons of 310 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 6: rules regulations. These big companies would love it to make 311 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 6: it impossible to compete against them in AI. So number one, 312 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 6: one hundred percent keuth regulations as small as possible. Now, 313 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 6: the thing I will give them, and we have to 314 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 6: be very careful because this it's not why they're doing it. 315 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 6: The thing I will give them is there probably are 316 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 6: ways that some people could figure out how to use 317 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 6: AI in bioterror in other areas, and so we have 318 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 6: to watch it. 319 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: We have to be very careful. We have to see 320 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: as it goes along. 321 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 6: But let's not give them the ability to make the 322 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 6: whole thing crony and break it well. 323 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 5: And look, there is no doubt there will need to 324 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 5: be regulations applied to AI like to any other industry. Now, 325 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 5: many of our existing laws can apply. So are there 326 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 5: risks of fraud, are the risk of deception? 327 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: Yes? 328 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 5: So do you see things like like Taylor Swift had 329 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 5: the AI fake porn put put on, and because she 330 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 5: was Taylor Swift and had such a prominence, she was 331 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 5: able to get it pulled down. Well, what happened is 332 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 5: if that's. 333 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: Your kids, you yeah, and. 334 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 5: Nobody would watch that. That's all right, that the market 335 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 5: forces would take care of that all on its own. 336 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: I was so ready to get in there, so ready. 337 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: That was my moment, and you knew it and you 338 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: jumped in beforehand. I'm okay, keep going, folks, go ahead. 339 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 5: But there's no doubt there are going to be need 340 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 5: to apply laws and rules, whether fraud, whether deception. The 341 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 5: legal system will have to be applied. But but I 342 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 5: think we should move slowly and understand what we're doing 343 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 5: because the productivity benefits potentially are are are massive. And 344 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 5: I will say, when you know, you talked a minute 345 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 5: ago about how how the big tech companies want barriers 346 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 5: to entry, and that is the most common. 347 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 7: One of the. 348 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 5: Great lies of politics is the idea that conservatives are 349 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 5: pro big business. The reality is big business loves big government. 350 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 5: Big business usually gets in bed with big government, and 351 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 5: big business loves when government puts barriers to entry to 352 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 5: stop the next generation of entrepreneurs. And I'll say this, look, 353 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 5: I have nothing for her against big business, but I 354 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 5: am interested in the little guys, the next group of 355 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 5: entrepreneurs what the economist Joseph Schumpeter called creative destruction. And 356 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 5: one of my favorite images on the Internet is a 357 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 5: picture of the founders of Microsoft in nineteen seventy eight. 358 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 5: And you have Paul Allen with long hair and a beard, 359 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 5: and he looks like one of the begs. You've got 360 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 5: Bill Gates with glasses the size of hip hubcaps and on. 361 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 5: It's just that picture of a bunch of college dropouts, 362 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 5: and it just asks would you invent money with these guys? 363 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 5: And that is and they were taking on IBM, Big Blue, 364 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 5: the giant behemoth, and they were the creative destruction. Now 365 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 5: they're the giant. And I will say, let's do this 366 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 5: to wrap up, talk about the importance of disruptors, of 367 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 5: the innovation of the next generation, driving techs, driving productivity, 368 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 5: driving our countries. 369 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 6: I mean, this is one hundred percent how America works, 370 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 6: as you say, And by the way, it's our biggest 371 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 6: advantage against China as our adversary in China right now, 372 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 6: the CCP, aside from just having killed a bunch of 373 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 6: our billionaire Chinese tech friends, so everyone's terrified to build 374 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 6: more tech if you're alady successful in China the other 375 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 6: thing they have going against them. 376 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 5: Hold on say that again. 377 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 6: A lot of our tech friends died in the last 378 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 6: or died und or fled in the last five years 379 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 6: out of China. There and a lot of them were 380 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 6: taken away and disappeared and then came back, and they 381 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 6: won't talk about it anymore. 382 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 5: So do we know names of people who are killed? 383 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: Because I don't. 384 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: I'll give you a friend. 385 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 6: And Andy Tandran an Asian innovations group forty seven years old, 386 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 6: about to go public last year after working hard for 387 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 6: eleven years, and they told them they wanted to do 388 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 6: things differently with the data and going in China. He said, 389 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go talk to him Beijing. Next I heard 390 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 6: he died in his sleep that night at forty seven 391 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 6: years old. 392 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: Wow. And there's a lot of stories like this. 393 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 6: There's a lot of guys who built a lot of it, 394 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 6: who fled and who are very sketish usingeing. But I'll 395 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 6: tell you the other big advantage we have though against them, 396 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 6: other than them strewing that up, is basically all this 397 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 6: productivity coming from AI. 398 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: It's gonna disrupt healthcare. 399 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 6: It's gonna change of healthcare works, it's gonna change how logistics, 400 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 6: or it's gonna change all these industries work. In China, 401 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 6: the government people and their cronies they own those industries. 402 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 6: They are not going to allow those to be disrupted. 403 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 6: The question is is in America are we still able 404 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 6: to disrupt things? Are we still going to be allowed 405 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 6: by our government to go in and change how those 406 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 6: things work? And it's gonna be about because we have 407 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 6: regulatory agencies that also want to slow it down with 408 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 6: the big companies. But I still believe in America, with 409 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 6: the right leadership, we actually can disrupt these things and 410 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 6: we can grow. 411 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 8: Well. 412 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 5: Look, when AI replace this podcast, I hope that the 413 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 5: computer that takes my place does a really fine job. 414 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: Fine, Yah, final question for you, and I want to 415 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: go back to the university because there's gonna be a 416 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: lot of kids that listen to this, a lot of parents, grandparents. 417 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 2: They're gonna and maybe even professors that may want to 418 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: reach out. What does next year's class look like? Is 419 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: there a cap on that if someone says I want 420 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 2: more information. If there's a professor that's listening to this 421 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: and says, hey, I want to leave this great institution 422 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: that I'm at because of I'm being stifled or silence, 423 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: I want to talk to you, how can they do that? 424 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 6: So we're bidding our first class right now. This is 425 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 6: just as competitive to get into as the other top 426 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 6: ten schools. But if you have a really bright, young 427 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 6: young student who's a founding personality, entrepreneuri personality, it's pretty 428 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 6: much one of the coolest places you can go. We 429 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 6: have a hundred of my top tech friends who put 430 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 6: their names on and advising it. We have all these 431 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 6: tall academics. It's going to be very competitive to get in, 432 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 6: but yes, please please please apply. You can go to 433 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 6: you Austin dot org and Strich University of Austin online 434 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 6: professors there. 435 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: They're welcome to the email. Obviously. 436 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 6: If they're amazing, we'll love to talk to them. We 437 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 6: have a pretty big line of people trying to get 438 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 6: in as professors right now. But obviously it's very, very 439 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 6: interested in meeting great people. 440 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: As before. If you want to hear the rest of 441 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: this conversation on this topic, you can go back and 442 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 2: dow the podcast from earlier this week to hear the 443 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: entire thing. I want to get back to the big 444 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: story number three of the week. 445 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: You may have missed. 446 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: White House Press Sretory Jean Pierre asked about it on CNN. 447 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: Here's what she said about it at the White House 448 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 2: this morning. 449 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 9: One of the things that some Americans are focused on 450 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 9: are crimes that are allegedly being committed by migrants who 451 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 9: are in the country illegally. There was the death of 452 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 9: Lake and Riley in Georgia. There's been an arrest made there. 453 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 9: Republicans are directly blaming President Biden for this. Republican Senator 454 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 9: Josh Holly said, quote, these deaths are on him. What's 455 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 9: the White House response to that? 456 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 8: So, first of all, I want to offer our condolences 457 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 8: to the family of Lincoln. I mean, this is a horrific, 458 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 8: horrific loss for any family and obviously any if whoever 459 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 8: is found guilty, we need to make sure that make 460 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 8: sure that that happens. And obviously we don't want to 461 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 8: we don't want to see anything happen like that again. 462 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 8: But here's the thing. We have done the work to 463 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 8: make sure we're dealing with a broken immigration system. 464 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: Senator, Have they done the work, because that's news to me. 465 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: We've done the work to make sure we're dealing with 466 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: a broken immigration system. Did they or did they not 467 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: break the system on purpose to flood the country with 468 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: millions of illegal immigrants. 469 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 5: So look, at some level, yes, they did the work. 470 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 5: They did the work to break the system. Why is 471 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 5: the system broken because Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and 472 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 5: the congressional Democrats wanted to break it. Understand, when Joe 473 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 5: Biden came into office just over three years ago, he 474 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 5: inherited the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty five years. 475 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 5: All he had to do was do nothing, simply sit there, 476 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 5: don't screw it up. And Donald Trump. I worked hand 477 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 5: in hand with Donald Trump. We had made enormous progress 478 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 5: securing the border. Joe Biden does nothing. He could have 479 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 5: a victory, but instead he deliberately caused this crisis. 480 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: He broke the border. 481 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 5: Three decisions caused this crisis. He halted construction of the 482 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 5: border wall, he reinstated catch and release at the border, 483 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 5: and he pulled out of the amazingly successful Remain in 484 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 5: Mexico agreement. That was deliberate. He knew what he was doing, 485 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 5: and the consequence was this invasion at our southern border. 486 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 5: But let me tell you every dead body Lake and 487 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 5: Riley Lake and Riley her parents ought to say, why, 488 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 5: why why didn't Joe Biden take that damn murderer, put 489 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 5: him on a plane and send him the hell out 490 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 5: of here. He should have. The law provides that he 491 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 5: needed to. And yet his politics, his partisan interests, said, 492 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 5: you know what, I don't care if I'm releasing a murderer. 493 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 5: If Americans die, it doesn't matter if it keeps Democrats 494 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 5: in power. And I got to tell you, Ben, that 495 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 5: pisces me off because I don't believe a word I 496 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 5: just said. There is hyperbole. I think these people all 497 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 5: they care about is political power, and if more Americans die, 498 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 5: that is perfectly acceptable to them. 499 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: Senator lastly White out spread Secretary Jean Pierre on Biden's 500 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: trip to the border. She said, this is not about politics, 501 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: which made me about fall out of my seat. 502 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 9: What does it tell you that both President Biden and 503 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 9: Donald Trump are going to be out the border on. 504 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: The same day. 505 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 8: Here there's a difference here, and I want to be 506 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 8: very clear about this, because the President is going to 507 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 8: as you just said, Brownsville, Texas, to hear directly from 508 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 8: the border patrol agents, to hear directly from the frontline 509 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 8: personnel on what is going on on the ground. And 510 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 8: let's not forget the President was at the border just 511 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 8: about a year ago in January of twenty twenty three, 512 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 8: to do the same. 513 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: This is not about politics for the President center. This 514 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 2: is all about politics. 515 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 3: He's seen the poll numbers. 516 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: Yes, you and I have seen. 517 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 5: Everything this White House does is about politics. 518 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they know it. And the majority of Americans 519 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: right now believe that the President United States of America 520 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: doesn't know how to fix the border, can't fix the border. 521 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: And the majority of Americans now say that Donald Trump 522 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 2: is the only one that can do it. 523 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 5: So look, it's worse than that. I actually don't think 524 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: it's right that Biden and the White House doesn't know 525 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 5: how to fix the border. They don't want to fix 526 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 5: the border. They made three decisions the first week in office. 527 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 5: They halted the border wall, they reinstated catch and release, 528 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: they pulled out of remain in Mexico. If you want 529 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 5: to fix the border, it's not rock and science. I've 530 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 5: said this a thousand times in the Senate Judiciary Committee. 531 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 5: I've said this a thousand times. On the floor of 532 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 5: the Senate. I said this is a thousand times on 533 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 5: national television. Reverse those three decisions, build the wall, and 534 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 5: catch and release, return to the remain in Mexico agreement 535 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 5: that would work. Understand, Joe Biden and the Democrats do 536 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 5: not want it to work. They are making the most 537 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 5: cynical political decision I have seen in my lifetime because 538 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 5: they are allowing people to die. We've talked about the 539 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 5: people who've been murdered, We've talked about the children who've 540 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 5: been raped, and by the way, we've talked not on 541 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 5: this podcast, but many times before about the risk of 542 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 5: a major terrorist attack. God forbid, ben I don't want 543 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 5: to wake up tomorrow or the next day or the 544 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 5: next day and find out that we've had another nine 545 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 5: to eleven here in the United States, that we've had 546 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 5: another mass murder by violent terrorists. But I have been 547 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 5: very explicit. I believe the risks of another major terrorist 548 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 5: attack are greater today than they've been any time since 549 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 5: September eleventh, two thousand and one. And it is not 550 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 5: that the Democrat Party is oblivious to this, it's they 551 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 5: simply don't give a damn. 552 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: They're the first to know about it. By the way, 553 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 2: FIRS to know my market is the first to know. 554 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: They know before you know, where I know or anybody 555 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 2: else knows how many on the Arras squatch lists are 556 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: getting caught coming across the southern border. And we know 557 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: how many were caught in September, October, November and December 558 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: of last year at record numbers, more than the last 559 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: four years combined when Trump was the president. 560 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 5: That is exactly right, And the only only way this 561 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: problem is going to be solved is to re elect 562 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 5: a Republican president. To reelect Donald Trump, put him in 563 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 5: the White House. And understand, this crisis will be solved 564 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 5: not over the course of a year, not over the 565 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 5: course of six months, but literally within days because the 566 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 5: driving factor, So what determines whether you have an eelil 567 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 5: immigration crisis and what happens when people cross over the border, 568 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 5: Almost all of them have a cell phone with them, 569 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 5: and right now they look for border patrol agents, they 570 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 5: turn themselves in they're not caught. They go. When I'm 571 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 5: on midnight patrol, they turn themselves into me. They have 572 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 5: a cell phone, and if you ask them. The last 573 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 5: time I was down at the border, I asked multipleliminrants, 574 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 5: do you believe you get to stay in America now 575 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 5: that you're here? And they all said, every single one 576 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 5: said yes, yes, yes, yes yes. As long as that's 577 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 5: the case, we will have an invasion. Every one of 578 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 5: them has a cell phone. They pick up the phones, 579 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 5: they call their friends, they call their family, they call 580 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 5: their loved ones and they say, you know what, come 581 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 5: to America. When you get here, they let you go. 582 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 5: You get to stay. If that is the result, we 583 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 5: will continue to have a full scale invasion. The only 584 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 5: only only way to stop it is when people come 585 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 5: here illegally, you put them on a plane and you 586 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 5: send them back to where they came from. And again 587 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 5: they have a cell phone, so they call their friends. 588 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 5: If you deport them, they say, oh crap, you could 589 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 5: spend months and thousands of dollars and be horribly brutalized 590 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 5: by traffickers, and you get here and they send you home. 591 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 5: Don't do it. And it's why I'm going to make 592 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 5: a prediction January of twenty twenty five, the numbers of 593 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 5: Elie immigrants are going to plummet massively. And it's not 594 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 5: like it takes a year long program from the president. 595 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 5: All it takes Donald Trump as president. When you cross illegally, 596 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 5: will deport you and that will cause that single fact 597 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 5: will cause the numbers to plummet. 598 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 2: If there's anything that maybe turning the tide here, and 599 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: that seems to actually be media covering the stories that 600 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: you mentioned in the tragedies, KABBTV in San Antonio actually 601 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: ran this on the local news listen. 602 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 7: Ask for the question of why now. Political experts have 603 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 7: suggested to me that's because the president has kind of 604 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 7: had his oh shoot moment, meaning that Biden and his 605 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 7: campaign staff have realized that the immigration issue is important 606 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 7: to the American people and it isn't going away. That 607 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 7: fact only further out evidenced by numerous recent polls that 608 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 7: show that immigration is a top three issue for voters 609 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 7: this election cycle, and for many it's the number one issue, 610 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 7: I mean centater. 611 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: Lastly, you look at this and that's on local TV. 612 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: We have not seen that type of scrutiny of this 613 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: president ever. And when we go back over the traveling 614 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: seas that are happening in all these different states around 615 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: the country. Just in the last week, there are so 616 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: many illegal immigrants. Millions and millions have come across the border. 617 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: They are in every state in America, and there are 618 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: a lot of bad actors committing heinous crimes in every 619 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: state in America. There's no way now that you can't 620 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: hold this president, I think, accountable. If you're in the 621 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: media telling these stories, tell the truth. 622 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 5: That is all that is needed right now. Tell the 623 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 5: truth about what is happening at the border. Tell the 624 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 5: truth about how Joe Biden and the Democrats are deliberately, 625 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 5: willfully allowing this in invasion. The reason Biden and Commonal 626 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 5: end the Democrats don't go to the border is because 627 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 5: when they come, they bring the TV reporters. Their entire 628 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 5: strategy is not to defend this. Look understand. On Senate 629 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 5: Judiciary Committee, I lay out these facts day after day 630 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 5: after day. No Democrat jumps up and says, you know 631 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 5: what Ted's wrong. He doesn't understand it. Let me tell 632 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 5: you the alternative. It's not like reasonable minds can differ. 633 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 5: Their strategy is simple, shut their mouths because they know 634 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 5: CNN will never cover what's said, they know MSNBC will 635 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 5: never cover they know ABC, CBS, NBC will never cover it. 636 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 5: And so the most powerful thing we can do is 637 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 5: simply tell the stories of the death, of the rape, 638 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 5: of the suffering, of the misery that Joe Biden and 639 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 5: the Democrats are causing. That is the most powerful tool 640 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 5: to turn it around and stop it. 641 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: As always, thank you. We're listening to Verdict with Sentner, 642 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to deal 643 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: with my podcast and you can listen to my podcast 644 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each 645 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to 646 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: have you as a listener to again the Ben Ferguson podcasts, 647 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: and we will see you back here on Monday morning.