1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The Red Weather is a work of fiction. Any resemblance 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation of real, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. The content 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: LLC and does not reflect the views of responsibilities of 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on The Red Weather in 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: a commune. 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: So this guy was called the Father or something creepy 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: like that. Very much polyamory, kind of like dude has 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: a bunch of wives kind of thing. 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: I was with Anna's sister Willow that night. 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: If you were on the TenderHearts property, then none of 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 3: the adults were there. 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: They were all on the Sunrise seance hike. 16 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was only a few days before their Tenderheart's 17 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 4: alibi at Felippart. 18 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: What are you saying that they weren't at the Sunds, 19 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: not all of them? 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 5: Good morning, good morning, good morning. I have. 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 6: Tucked myself into a little space by. 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 5: The wood shed, out of the rain. 23 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 6: I think it's a perfect place and a perfect time 24 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 6: for a ramble. 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: This is Elrick Light aka Eric Lidsky, the man who 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: founded a commune next to me when I was a kid. 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 6: Anyone here that's living with us on this beautiful homestead 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 6: here in Sebastopol will tell you. I'm very particular about 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 6: my spots. I have a big believer that there are 30 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 6: positive spots and that there are not so positive spots. 31 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: These were recorded sometime between nineteen eighty eight and nineteen 32 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: ninety two, while he walked in the woods or sat 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: in meadows places I might have been roaming around in 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: two me and Willow. 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 6: Take this with you, suit along to these people if 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 6: you can. And many of these people that we're discussing 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 6: with heart and hearts aren't ready to hear the message. 38 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 6: And that's fine. Sometimes it's enough to deliver the message. 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: But between the lectures or sermons, there are human moments 40 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: that are really specific. 41 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 6: There's an owl I've named him Jabberwaukee. 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: And sometimes bizarre. 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 5: Why do I rock nicely? Why do I rock myself? 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 5: Do I rock myself to sleep at night? What's the difference? 45 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: I kept listening waiting for something. I'm not sure what. 46 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: It's not like he was suddenly going to start talking 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: about human sacrifice or mentioned and a trainer. In fact, 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't mention any names. 49 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 7: Let it fall, let it fall, let it fall, let 50 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 7: it fall, let it fall, and be free, Be free. 51 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: But his commitment is intense, and sometimes the line between 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: a sermon and something more personal gets blurry. 53 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 8: I've done bad things, I know what, just like you, 54 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 8: Just like all of you, I sit and I pretend. 55 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 9: And because I want to be. 56 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 6: That vision of. 57 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 10: What I know, I am capable of being. 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 6: So I pretend. 59 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 5: I know what. 60 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 8: I'm gonna do it again. No, I don't want to 61 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 8: do it again. I'm going to do it again. 62 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 9: Again. I don't want to do it again. 63 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: When I went home to look into Anna's disappearance, I 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: knew I was going to have to learn as much 65 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: as I could about el Rick and the collective he 66 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: ran called Tender Hearts. Since Anna lived there before she 67 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: vanished in nineteen ninety five, I figured things would get 68 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: a little new age, spiritual, little hippie dippy. But I 69 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: never expected what I did find. I am actor and filmmaker, 70 00:04:32,720 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: right or strong. This is the red weather. Okay, let's 71 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: try this again. I was a week into going back 72 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: to my hometown and researching Anna's case. I was still 73 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: mostly just playing catch up to the investigation. I'm calling 74 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: from my parents' landline, so idea doesn't come up. Sheriff Maldonado, 75 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: who had led that investigation back in nineteen ninety five, 76 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: told me that things would make more sense if I 77 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: got access to the official case file. Hello, Hi, this 78 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: is Ryder Strong. I'm calling again for Grace Lachlan and 79 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: the current sheriff. Grace Blachlan had promised to share transcripts 80 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: of some witness interviews, but I hadn't heard back from 81 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: her for days, and the people in her office didn't 82 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: seem to have time for me. Everything's in storage, so 83 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: it's not easy. 84 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 11: We have one building for the whole county. 85 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 9: You're a meddlin. You're a medling. 86 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: My buddy Chris was helping me. You're like every housewife 87 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: with a Facebook page who's playing Internet sloop. 88 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 9: She's got a theory. 89 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: So why don't I, you know, even if it's a 90 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: complete nothing burger, why don't I bring them a pager? Okay, 91 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: so you're going to go to the sheriff with a 92 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: busty pager that your dead dog buried. I knew Chris 93 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: was right. I had already admitted to the cops that 94 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: I had lied to them when I was fifteen, and 95 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: so if I was ever going to get their help 96 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: and learning about the case, I had to play it cool. 97 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: Going back over the details about that night, I really 98 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: begun to think that Anna's boyfriend Mick had something to 99 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: do with her disappearance. But then after talking to Maldonatto, 100 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: it was becoming clear that the Sheriff's department was way 101 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: more interested in Tender Hearts and its leader, Elrick Light. 102 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: But as far as I knew, and it disappeared, all 103 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: the adults of Tender Hearts had hiked up to Mount 104 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: Saint Helena for a sunrise seance, right and suff for 105 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: l Rick. Oh so you knew this too, yeah, almost immediately. 106 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: Monica Tremblaine was reporting for The Press Democrat in nineteen 107 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: ninety five. 108 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: It was only a few days after Anna was missing 109 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: that the seance story it fell apart. 110 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: A few of the women came forward. So where was 111 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: he and what did that mean for the investigation? And 112 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: who were Tender Hearts in the first place. When I 113 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: started interviewing friends, I quickly realized I knew very little 114 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: about their alternative living situations. Orion's commune had failed. Almost immediately. 115 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: The community kind of got a little more contentious and 116 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: a little more distance and kind of factioned off. 117 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 9: You know, my mom describes it kind of just like, 118 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 9: you know, not really lasting. 119 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: There were a lot of strong personalities out there, you know, 120 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: people who want to get away from it all. 121 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 9: I think have some strong reasons sometimes. 122 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that my friend Cole's parents actually 123 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: met when his dad was handing out pamphlets for a 124 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: cult in San Francisco. 125 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 9: I don't think lasted. 126 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 12: It didn't last, and it's like, hey, let's build a 127 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 12: spaceship form much into the eighties. It was called Stell 128 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 12: and they had a charismatic leader that was quite questionable, 129 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 12: but the plan was to build a spaceship to escape 130 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 12: the end of the world in two thousand and four. 131 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 12: Obviously it came and gone, but I'm pretty sure kind 132 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 12: of folded up when it realized that rocket building was hard. 133 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 12: I'm just assuming. I'm just assuming that like a bunch 134 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 12: of people out in cornfields just realize their limitation about 135 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 12: building rocket. 136 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: The tender hearts weren't that unusual for the area. But 137 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 1: of course, once Anna disappeared. There were a lot of 138 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: questions about them. 139 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: A big part of the problem was they were just secretive. 140 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: They didn't want to talk to the cops. I mean, 141 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: they didn't trust anybody, but they really didn't trust authority figures. 142 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: They had been targeted before by Maldon Auto specifically. 143 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 9: Yeah. 144 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, we had them up on a few violations. They 145 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 4: had problem with one of their neighbors, had to do 146 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: with with a truck or something. 147 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: There was some argument over noise and they took the 148 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: tires off a neighbor's tractor. 149 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: That escalated to some incidents with animals. 150 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 9: They had lamas. Oh that's right, I remember them. 151 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, some of those lamas would get out and 152 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 4: then they'd get sick. 153 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: At some point, there were accusations about poisoning. Well, I 154 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: just remember, you gotta understand. 155 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 4: I get out there and I'm just I'm there to 156 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: calm the situation, you know, cool it down a little bit. 157 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: But you got a group of women, very very angry 158 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: women in there. They're topless, some of them even buttoning. 159 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: If there was a confrontation or if someone walked on 160 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 3: to the property. The women of Tender Hearts liked to 161 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 3: enact what they called a skin bombing. 162 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: They'd go out and nake it. I kind of love 163 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: the It was a very specific, non violent tactic. 164 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: It throws you off, you know, put you on guard, 165 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 4: and I'm not talking about it in a good way. 166 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: One thing about growing up in West County, if there 167 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: was ever a gathering of some sort, there was always 168 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: at least one person naked. A lot of confusing messages. 169 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 13: A lot of it was like, you know, people are swimming, 170 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 13: or you know, like you got a pool and people, 171 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 13: you know, we were in the. 172 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: Hot tub pool or whatever. 173 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 13: My parents' friends were definitely hippies and of the casually 174 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 13: nude variety when there was any call for it. 175 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: It was part of the culture, a general belief in 176 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: who needs clothes? Be natural. It wasn't threatening or anything, 177 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: but still as casual as I think the adults wanted 178 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: it to be. When you're a kid, you could never 179 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: not notice it. If Will and I went to that 180 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: like main area, the kind of deck that wasn't finished, 181 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: that with the boards laid on the ground, there might 182 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: be someone naked because. 183 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 9: They had an outdoor shower that was right there. Yes, 184 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 9: And I always felt like it was a little weird. 185 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: But I didn't feel like I could say it was weird. 186 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 9: You know, because if you did, you would be lame. 187 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: But beyond the skin bombing and fights with neighbors, I 188 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: wanted to know what they were all about. I found 189 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: a historian who specializes in intentional communities, which I learned 190 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: is the newer preferred term for a commune. 191 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 9: Hey, how great. Thanks. 192 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: Howard Tripp is the author of two books, counter Topia, 193 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: which covers the communities of the nineteen sixties and seventies, 194 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: and West of Eden, which chronicles the rise and fall 195 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: of small religious sects in the area. 196 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 9: I hope you don't mind my little friends. 197 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: You are right with that. 198 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 9: Oh yeah. 199 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: Howard's other hobby is ants. Yeah, so, how long have 200 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: you been farming them? 201 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 11: It's been I mean it's been over a decade. 202 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: He has an entire wall of his house that is 203 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: a series of ant farms, or, as I learned, they're 204 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: called former carrea. 205 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 11: But one of the things I've always been fascinated by ICs. 206 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 9: Oh like, that's like pheromones, right, right, exactly. 207 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 11: But you're talking about how an individual ant senses the 208 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 11: world around them, the perception of what's real, what's happening. 209 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 14: It can be altered completely like a drug. 210 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 11: Even more than that, it's it's their actual sense of reality. 211 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 11: It's not you'll have like a colony, right thin get 212 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,119 Speaker 11: invaded and they start working for another species. 213 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: They don't even know why, and they're just as happy. 214 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: They just just want to do Tripid research tender Hearts 215 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: for his books, but they ultimately didn't make the cut. 216 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 15: Well, if we're talking about the major communities from Sonoma County, Headwinds, 217 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 15: morning Star, the Farm before they went to Tennessee, you're 218 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 15: talking about these are much bigger operations groups that were 219 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 15: formalized in ways that Tender Hearts they could never really 220 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 15: get it together. 221 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 9: Well, how many people were in it? It's like, oh wow, yeah, 222 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 9: very small. 223 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: But then for your second book, wouldn't they have counted 224 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: as a spiritual group? 225 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 11: You yeah, you would think that's uh, that's the sixty 226 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 11: four thousand dollars question, isn't it meaning? 227 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: Were they even technically a religion? Did they have a 228 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: belief system? 229 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 11: I know, I know what this looks like. 230 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 9: These don't judge. 231 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: Trip has an entire guest house behind his main house. 232 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: It's full of books and papers. 233 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 15: Okay, here are some of Elerick's newsletters. 234 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 9: Cool, we have these signs they put up. 235 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 15: Yeah, and there are tapes of this lecture series. 236 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,359 Speaker 9: Oh wait, what really recordings? 237 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah somewhere. 238 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 9: Oh my god, I would. 239 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: Love to hear those, Which is how I got ten 240 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: hours of el Ric light talking. 241 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 5: Well, let's just jump into it. 242 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 6: We'll start with our invocation. 243 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 8: As we always do. 244 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: I am of the Earth. 245 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 6: From the earth. I burn with a fire inside that 246 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 6: I promised to maintain, with the thick skin and a 247 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 6: tender heart. 248 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: I actually found the tapes kind of soothing. There's definitely 249 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: a lot of jargon. Elrick liked to make up his 250 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: own terms. 251 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 6: This is what we might call skymine is not the 252 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 6: only directo. Locusts and arrive at the choiceless awareness. 253 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: Elric is earnest, thoughtful. 254 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 16: We can absorb energetic facts by existing in in what 255 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 16: Castanano would call the the kernel of non ordinary reality. 256 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: And he goes out of his way to reject his 257 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: own authority. 258 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 5: No, I am not York or. 259 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 6: I am not anyone's savior. 260 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: One of the most exciting moments is when he gets 261 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: frustrated with his recording equipment. 262 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 6: My ankles burst under the weight of ill consumed mother 263 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 6: fucking dammit. Really, Mike was off the whole time. My 264 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 6: ankles burst under the weight of ill conceived compulsions, and 265 00:14:53,280 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 6: I limped my way, like the hurried hair past Alice 266 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 6: into wonderland where only those with thrones and axes reigned. 267 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 5: What are you living for? Where are you going? Late? 268 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 8: Late? 269 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 6: Always late for? 270 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 15: What? For? 271 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 12: What? 272 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 5: For what? It's not real? 273 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 6: None of it is real. 274 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 10: You have been tricked, You've been lied too. 275 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: This section, like when he says he's going to do 276 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: it again, feels raw, emotional and personal, but otherwise for 277 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: ten tapes, Elric is a teacher. He stays abstract and philosophical. 278 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: A unique worldview does evolve a metaphysics. He's inspired a 279 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: little by Krishna Murdi and a lot by Carlos Castanetta. 280 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: There's this belief in the positive power of psychedelic drugs 281 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: and something he calls tree Time, which begins with the 282 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: story of him being high on mescaline. 283 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 10: Minutes can feel like hours, seconds could be a lifetime. 284 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: But it gets somewhere kind of interesting. A baby cries. 285 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 17: She cries if she's hungry or stared, and in that 286 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 17: moment she might think this feeling will never end. 287 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 6: But as we grow, we grow into a different time consciousness. 288 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 11: Oh my gosh, so time moves faster as you get older. 289 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 18: Listen, if you consider a human life and you put 290 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 18: it on a scale of the semper baus. 291 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 9: That's what he called redwoods, Of course he did. 292 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: That's from their scientific name, or their Latin binomial sequoia sempaveerans. 293 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 17: We're talking about three thousand years. 294 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 18: And in that context, what's a day? 295 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 17: What's a day? 296 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 9: What's a year? 297 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 17: In three time seasons? Last three days. 298 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 6: All of American history would happen before you were eight 299 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 6: years old. A child who would be born grow to 300 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 6: be twelve in the span of a summer vacation. 301 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 9: What is dude talking about time perception? 302 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: He's scaling a human life up to a redwood tree. 303 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: And look, I did the math. Of course, he's actually right. 304 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: If you take one hundred years or the best human lifespan, sure, 305 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: and you stretch that over three thousand, it's thirty times. 306 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: So one hour is thirty hours. Just over a day, 307 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: that's one point two five days. And yes, a month 308 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: would go by in a day, winter would last three days. 309 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 9: So all of his comparisons are exactly right. You need 310 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 9: a break, probably, Yeah. 311 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 18: Imagine wisdom that scale the inside. 312 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: Well, from the outside, it looked like your classic guru 313 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: cult situation. 314 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean if it's all the tropes, right, Oh, yes, absolutely. 315 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: You've got a charismatic leader, he's got a new spiritual 316 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: take on life, and he runs off. He has a 317 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: bunch of. 318 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: Whys, right right, right right, Except none of that, none 319 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: of what you actually just said was actually true. 320 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: Those are all lies. When I started this podcast, one 321 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: of my main questions about Tender Hearts, which was kind 322 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: of naive, was was it a commune or was it 323 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: a cult? It turns out neither, and those categories are 324 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: kind of fuzzy to begin with. 325 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 11: Had ideas later on, it's not how it started. 326 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: It turns out Tender Hearts didn't begin as a religion 327 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: or a political movement or even a philosophy. 328 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 11: It grew out of a woman shelter. 329 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: Really before he found a Tender Hearts, Eric Letsky was 330 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: an employee of the Pavilion House. Pavilion was at the 331 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: forefront of a wave of shelters that sprung up in 332 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: the late seventies with what was then a pretty radical 333 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: idea that women might need their own place, a designated 334 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: shelter away from men. 335 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 11: He helped run the whole thing until eighty five eighty six. 336 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: They were your classic San Francisco liberals, in your face 337 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: and aggressive. 338 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 11: Eleric got into trouble with the city officials. 339 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 18: Four protesters were arrested today outside city Hall amidst ongoing 340 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 18: tensions between the city council and the Pavilion House. 341 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: The distinction between a homeless shelter and a domestic violence 342 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: center was a blurry line that was still being worked out, 343 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: and in the early eighties, the owners of Pavilion wanted 344 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: to expand the shelter by allowing men to join, but 345 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: for some of the women and Elric, this was anathema. 346 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: It was a split in the Pavilion organization. There was 347 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: Elric on one side and the owners and city officials 348 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: on the other. Around the same time, Elrick came into 349 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: some money. 350 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 3: The assumption is that maybe one of his parents or 351 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: perhaps grandparents passed away, but nobody knows for sure. 352 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: So he pulled up stakes, left the city and bought 353 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: fifty acres in West Sonoma County. The fifty acres right 354 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: next to my parents, and so the women were. 355 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 11: He got them off from the shelter, them personally and 356 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 11: their kids to come live off the land. 357 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: Besides Anna and Willow, there were only a few other kids. 358 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: I remember a boy named Josiah and a girl named Francis, 359 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: and maybe one more. We called them grammets. 360 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 13: I felt antagonized by them. I felt like they were 361 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 13: actively annoying to us. I think we might have just 362 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 13: been hating on younger kids. 363 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: They were wild, right, I mean, you know, it was 364 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: like they were just kind of roaming free, and they 365 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: were a pack, like I definitely remember it being a pack. 366 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: It's like just a group of like loud, dirty kids, 367 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: like and they had attitude, like they were strong. Basically, 368 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: it's like an outdoor version of a women's shelter. 369 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 11: Yeah, it was like a camp or a farm for 370 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 11: women escaping domestic violence. 371 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: Everything I learned about Tender Hearts, but especially this, made 372 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: it even more important that I get in touch with 373 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: Anna and Willow's mom, Laaney. I'd always thought of her 374 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: as some sort of New age counter cultural seekers her, 375 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: But if she came from a women's shelter in San Francisco, 376 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: if she was escaping an abusive situation and brought her 377 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: daughters to raise them in the woods. That's a very 378 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: different person, Laney, Hi, it's rather or strong. 379 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 9: How are you. I hope you're doing all right. 380 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: For weeks I'd left messages. Weirdly, this new understanding of 381 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: the tender hearts was more radical and ahead of its 382 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: time than any of Elric's professed insights like tree Time 383 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: or Directo Locust. He was actually creating what nowadays you 384 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: would call a safe space for women. But we didn't 385 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: know any of that. Anybody local just saw a polygamous cult, 386 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: and interestingly Elrick and the women let that happen. 387 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 11: So these, if you could see, they would post these 388 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 11: all around the town. 389 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Elric started spreading his teachings. So I'm looking 390 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: at there's a drawer of a kind of elephant plant person. 391 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 5: What else? 392 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 15: What do you see? 393 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 5: All right? 394 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: Well, there's text. 395 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 8: No look closer. 396 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 9: What are you missing? I don't know what is it? 397 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 15: It's a lotus position? 398 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, so it says you are a 399 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: goddess Gaya shakti terra isis what do you see all 400 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: around the world? Women of sounder minds and tender hearts 401 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: insight isn't oriental, nor is it western. Elrick light offers 402 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: only the sacred, in the universal, the divine, feminine. Oh 403 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: and then there's there's an address and a telephone number. 404 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 405 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 15: Ye. 406 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 11: People had people subscribing from all across the country, Like 407 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 11: how many are they? 408 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: Hundreds, maybe thousands. But locally the postings made them notorious, 409 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: and there were times when they could have easily spoken out, 410 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: but they let the rumors spread, which is actually a 411 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: brilliant way to keep people out of your business. Like 412 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: skin bombing. Allowing people to think they were a cult 413 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: ensured that outsiders, men in particular, stayed away. So the 414 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: question is, did Elrick believe this stuff? 415 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 9: No? 416 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: No, really. For his part, Maldonado is adamant. 417 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 9: No. 418 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 4: No, A con is a con is a con A 419 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 4: lot of make your money, a lot to cover your tracks, 420 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 4: and you just keep online. 421 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: But when I listen to the tapes, Elrick seems earnest 422 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: to me. 423 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 11: He was definitely having some kind of experience out there 424 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 11: in the whips right. Probably started with secular intentions to 425 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 11: live together on a farm, and then Eleric started reflecting 426 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 11: on things. He starts thinking rearranging places in his mind 427 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 11: and having new ideas that he has to share. 428 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: But there was a pressing issue. 429 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 14: It's really common among these intentional communities unless you have 430 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 14: a donation or best case, a tithing system that everyone 431 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 14: agrees on, right, someone has to pay the bills for 432 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 14: the TenderHearts. 433 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: At first, that meant getting jobs. Laney work a safeway 434 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: what I can't No Connor, who lives in England, remembered this. 435 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine her. 436 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 13: Yeah, I know, I know, but I swear I remember 437 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 13: seeing her in a reflective vest in the parking lot, 438 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 13: like collecting carts. 439 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: But the jobs weren't enough, and so TenderHearts did what 440 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: most everyone in Sonoma County did in the nineties. 441 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 11: I mean, I would say in Sonoma, Mendosino, Humboldt, maybe 442 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 11: thirty forty percent, almost half of the communities are funded 443 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 11: by weed. 444 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: Hence the cannabis that was in the barn the night 445 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: that Anna. 446 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 9: Disappeared, and it was all just sitting in that barn. 447 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: This opened up a whole new avenue because if Elrick 448 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: was lying to the cops about where he was that night, 449 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: was he trying to protect the fact that he was 450 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: growing marijuana? 451 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 9: I thirty forty five minutes. Thank you, Lennie. 452 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: Could Anna have been killed because of like a drug that? 453 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 9: I mean, it's just weed that was a huge deal 454 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 9: back then. He's right. 455 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: This was the era of Camp. 456 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 3: It's a theme that is reminiscent of those you see 457 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: in war zones, but this is California and the enemies 458 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: are marijuana. 459 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: Grow Camp was the campaign against marijuana planting, a multi 460 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: agency task force that launched in nineteen eighty three. They 461 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: were a paramilitary organization with helicopters and machine guns. 462 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 9: They were hardcore. 463 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: So does that mean that people were smoking pot around us? 464 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: Does that mean that they would have been smoking pot 465 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: from tender hearts? Undoubtedly? 466 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 9: Undoubtedly. 467 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: So then who were some we know somebody who bought 468 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: weed from them or sold for them? 469 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 9: Like, do we know any drug dealers? I mean, do 470 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 9: you remember anybody, Hilo, We're trying. 471 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: To remember who sold weed back in the day. I 472 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: feel like there was an older guy. God, it was 473 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: like it was like there was Jim. He wasn't drug 474 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: I don't think so. But there was a guy who 475 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 1: was always hanging out at the Hesse building. 476 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 9: He had like a battery nickname like Bunny that's copper talk. 477 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 9: He is not a drug dealer. It was like that motorcycle. No, No, 478 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 9: that guy was totally who. 479 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: Was the gu There was a guy not a name 480 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: like that, like a DJ name, and he used to 481 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: sell to all the skater kids. 482 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 9: Remember rip hits was the thing. 483 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 13: Yes, yes, that was not his name, but that's what 484 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 13: that's what they called him. 485 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 9: That's what we called Do you think we could find him? 486 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 9: I could we find him. I could find him. I 487 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 9: think I could find him. 488 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: So the other day, when I told you about willow 489 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: burning the weed, is this what you meant when you 490 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: said that the tender hearts weren't all kumbaya and butterflies. 491 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 9: And they were always alive. 492 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: Just to front, this was a criminal drug dealing operation. 493 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: That's true, but a little reductive because when I finally 494 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: got the transcripts of el Rick's interrogations, I realized Maldonado 495 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: wasn't giving me the whole story. 496 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 9: Chris, there, they're here. 497 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: I got an email from Sheriff Lachlan with a PDF attachment. 498 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: They had a watermark across every page, are strong and 499 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: they were a total mess. The names were hard to 500 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: figure out because everyone was designated by their initials. 501 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 9: Oh okay, so RM seems like he's the one in 502 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 9: charge of That'sonado and two many guys working with me. 503 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 4: It would have been Kadio. He headed up anything with 504 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 4: grow operations or substances. He was kind of like our 505 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 4: vice squad. And then, uh, I think I put Orrin. Yeah, 506 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 4: I put Bob Orrin as my ol leite. 507 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: She sent me like, there's a couple interviews with a 508 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: few different people. Look, this one is actually your neighbors. Then, dude, 509 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: this is me. This is a transcript of me getting interviewed. No, yes, 510 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: look it's quote. 511 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 11: No. 512 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: We were at Connor's house, right, and Willow was with you. Yes, 513 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: and you didn't hear anything, not until the news. 514 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 9: Connor's mom made. 515 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: Us pancakes, and she told you about the fire. Yet, 516 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, she put my interviews in here? 517 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 9: Who did uh? Lachlan the shriff? She sent me my 518 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 9: own transcripts. The why. I don't know just what to say. 519 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 9: You lied. We have a record of you lying. 520 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 17: You. 521 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: She also didn't include any of the interviews with Mick Bowden. 522 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: It was only me and Eleric. It looks like there's 523 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: four different ones here. Oh here the ceremony. Does that 524 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: involve the kids? And he goes no. They press him, 525 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: why not something you don't want them to see? 526 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 9: And el Rick says absolutely not. Okay, now we got 527 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 9: we got three women, three of your. 528 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: Women, your women, by the way, on the record, and 529 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: they say you weren't there at all. You let off 530 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: the blessing, the wind song or whatever it's called. And 531 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: they didn't see you until Wednesday. At some points Elrick 532 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: got defensive, there is nothing wrong with taking a hike 533 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: to see a sunrise? 534 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 9: Is there? 535 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: And Maldon outto says that depends, and Elerck goes, how 536 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: there is nothing. 537 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 9: Do you go to church? 538 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: The other cop is like, I have no problem with 539 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: the hike, and Eleric he's not letting go. 540 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 9: You go to a church and pray. 541 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: You go into a building, we go outside. That's the difference. 542 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,239 Speaker 1: That's the only difference. And it's a good point, it's 543 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: sweet point. His dialogue definitely could use a punch up. 544 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 9: It's not dialogue. Wait, we should. 545 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: Do this as a reading. Yes, we printed out two copies. Yes, 546 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: all right, I'm the cops both of of course you 547 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: don't have anymore. I'm gonna pick up the slack. 548 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 9: Brainwashing ladies is one thing. 549 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: Why are you doing a New York character? 550 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 9: Brainwashing the ladies is one thing. But the kids, you 551 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 9: get their checks footsteps. Rick says, I don't steal from kids. 552 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: We had a ranch, Bob when was he a few years? 553 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 9: Eleven kids? Eleven kids and none was in school. All 554 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 9: of the Tender Hearts kids go to school. 555 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 6: No electricity checks come in every month, and these kids 556 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 6: are put out to the fields. 557 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 9: It was it was their bulls come to life and 558 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 9: these pull fish. It's coming in from the fields. What 559 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 9: are they talking about? No idea? Okay, they're talking about 560 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 9: the sex. 561 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: Some situation where they arrested other people with a bunch 562 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: of kids. It seems like they were trying to catch 563 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: Elrick admitting the Tender Hearts was making money off welfare. 564 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: Then they start fishing about drugs. 565 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 9: Here we go, okay, this is this is classic good 566 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 9: cutback Cup moving into the killer. Tell us about the guys. 567 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: At Jenna, Yeah, tell us what the guys at Jenna. 568 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 9: The god degener is definitely drug stuff. 569 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: Alric says, I don't know who you're talking about. 570 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 9: I am this is definitely where they would slap the taken. 571 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 9: Just read it. Come me, please. If you weren't up 572 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 9: the hill, I'm not saying I wasn't. 573 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: We know you weren't. 574 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 9: Why don't you tell us about Tubers? What down at Tubers? 575 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 4: There's a guy damned daily you know, I'm talking about 576 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 4: the lineless of dum sliless. 577 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 9: Sometimes if I talk damn, what's he gonna tell me? 578 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 9: You don't know about Thursdays at tubas? The garden bodies? 579 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 9: Did you order the code red? 580 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: All right? 581 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 9: Do you want answers? I want the truth? 582 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: Stop it? 583 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 9: And Lerrick isn't even talking anymore. 584 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: This is I don't know what love this garden party shit? 585 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 9: Oh dude, oh this is that's sad. 586 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: It took some rereading and a bit of research for 587 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: Chris and I finally figured out what was going on. 588 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: Tubers and garden parties were about bars and hookup spots 589 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: in the area. The cops were fishing for Leric to 590 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: admit something they had suspicions about, not the weed dealing, 591 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: not the fact that maybe he was lying about this 592 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: whole cult, that he was gay. Elrick. So he did 593 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: leave the seance. 594 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 3: He went down to the East Bay, where he met 595 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 3: up with this man named Lucas Park who. 596 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: Was it turns out, an ex boyfriend. In reality, this 597 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't be shocking. We're talking about an outspoken feminist political 598 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: activist in the heart of a very liberal, very gay 599 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: friendly city, which is I guess exactly why there's something 600 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: heart wrenching here. Could stand up for women, for counterculture, 601 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: could be brave and outspoken about so much, but he 602 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: was still crippled by shame and fear regarding his sexuality. 603 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: How many of the women knew none of them. 604 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 11: They knew he wasn't interested in them, but they figured 605 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 11: it was all part of his vouels celebacy. 606 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: I actually heard this on the recordings. He talks about 607 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: the power of intracourse. 608 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 6: Inter is between for among intras within a contained. 609 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: Entity, polyamorous cult that wasn't Polly or a cult, a 610 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: pioneering feminist commune led by a gay man who didn't 611 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: come out of the closet. So the tender hearts were 612 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: complicit and letting the world think they were something they weren't. 613 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: This multi wife sex colt. They let that deception stand, 614 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: but they were also deceived from within, and perhaps the 615 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: most salient point for Maldonado in nineteen ninety five, and 616 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: for us now couldn't have killed DNA. 617 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the confirm that Elrick was with Park 618 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 3: all night and into the next morning. So first story 619 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 3: was a lie, new alibi, it was salad. 620 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: And as for the tender hearts, that's yeah, that's pretty 621 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: much all she wrote. The women dwindled over the next 622 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: year or so. Al Eric left for months at a time, 623 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: and then there was nobody there anymore. The land itself 624 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: eventually sold to one of our neighbors who has since 625 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: passed away. So as far as I know, it's in 626 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: some kind of probate limbo, all right, experiment. 627 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,959 Speaker 9: Tender hearts exist today? Right? 628 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, dude, me and like fifty naked chicks running 629 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: around the woods getting to know each other physically. 630 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 15: Ok. 631 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 9: Do I get to have sex with a tender hearts specifically? 632 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: But just a communal situation where you're sharing resources and 633 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: living off the land, raising your. 634 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 9: Kids do their sounds like a nightmare. 635 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: Sounds pretty great to me, And I don't think I'm alone. 636 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: Even with his own experience growing up on a failed one, 637 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: Oriyan is optimistic. 638 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 13: I mean, I feel like it's a little bit of 639 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 13: a coming full circle in a way. You know, I 640 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 13: got very very interested in some modern form of co 641 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 13: living and you share resources, you have a shared garden, 642 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 13: and you have a shared kitchen and co working space 643 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 13: for parties and whatever else, and it's like, seems pretty idyllic. 644 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 13: So it feels like I'm kind of like trying to 645 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 13: do what my parents sort of did, but better. Right, Like, 646 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 13: it's probably a classic, you know, thing that we all 647 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 13: try to do to some degree at times, fix the 648 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 13: mistakes that our parents made. 649 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 9: Oh stop, think about that type people who want in 650 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 9: on this thing. They're not easy going people. They're not 651 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 9: cool people. No, they're vegans. There's social justice sumiers. But 652 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 9: you also got independent, critical thinkers. 653 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: Artists, prescientious dirty drug addicts. 654 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 9: Look at your boy, Howard, Look at your boy. How 655 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 9: do you want to move in with him and his aunts. 656 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to live communally with him and his 657 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: insects as well. 658 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 11: No no, no, Communism failed, but like socialism failed. 659 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 9: Rider. Okay, there's a reason, dude, you ended up going 660 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 9: to boarding school. What does that have to do with anything. 661 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: Chris spent the second half of high school, starting our 662 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: junior year in New Jersey at a boarding school So, 663 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: dun't your mom send you there because you know you 664 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: needed a different situation because you were being bullied. 665 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 9: Oh, I would know the bullied stuff. That's not why 666 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 9: I went there. 667 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just saying that the normal all American public 668 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: school childhood didn't work out for you. So you know 669 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: you needed something, You needed an alternative, and I think 670 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: a lot of us do. 671 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 9: Most of us want something different. You're drinking the kool aid, man, 672 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 9: go go live in tree time. 673 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, el Rick left Sebastopool went back 674 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 1: to San Francisco. 675 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,479 Speaker 11: There were signs of some political involvement, some classes taught 676 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 11: at some illness centers and retreats. 677 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: But after Anna, he mostly vanished from the public. 678 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 6: Not like these moments when it's just. 679 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 5: You and I. 680 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 6: Strange, stupid little medium of tape recorded. 681 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: He died in two thousand and one cancer. Hold on, 682 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: what is this? After our dramatic reading, I was looking 683 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: back over the transcripts. 684 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 12: Look at that? 685 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 9: Oh who said that? 686 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: It was a single line quote? R M. What do 687 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: you know? The Swami turns out to be a faggot. 688 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: That's Maldonado man. Oh, that's gross. 689 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 9: Was that after he left the room or is that 690 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 9: when he was still in there? 691 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: I think it's after. I don't know what's worse. Seeing 692 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: that sentence, it suddenly brought into focus where the investigators 693 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: were coming from. These are the people whose official job 694 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: it was to find out what happened to Anna. They 695 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: didn't like the tender hearts, they didn't like that they 696 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: did drugs, they didn't like that Elrick was gay. But 697 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: none of those things on their own are any real 698 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: justification for suspicion. That sucks, man, really, and you're gonna 699 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: go meet this guy? I was my last conversation with 700 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: Maldonado before I got the transcripts. He agreed to meet 701 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: me and walk me through the crime scene. 702 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 15: Why don't we meet out there at the property. 703 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 4: We had some strawberries from Andre stand out there by wagon. 704 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 9: I'll show you what we found. 705 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to think. Maldonado was being helpful. 706 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: He was one of the few people who seemed like 707 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: he actually cared that I was looking back at this case. 708 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: And then, to make things worse, Chris got a voicemail. 709 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 9: It was from Sparks. 710 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 19: Chris, what up, man, It's Davie H. 711 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 9: Sparks mcnight back in the. 712 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 19: Day time for the time. 713 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 4: Brother. 714 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 19: Anyway, Yeah, I'll talk to rider. Uh, you know, I 715 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 19: got stories. I got inside Infomaion for real though. You 716 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 19: want to talk and a trainer, you got to talk 717 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 19: about those fuckers detecting that shit Baldonado. 718 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 9: Come on, man, dude was a fool. 719 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 19: Well, I got I got some stuff for you. My boy. 720 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 9: Oh man, my boy, Mick. You know he was my boy. 721 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 9: But damn kid. 722 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: Got a pass. 723 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 9: You got a pass anyway, Yeah, man, hit me up. 724 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 9: Let's get a drink. 725 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 19: I'll lay it all on you. 726 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: The Red Weather is an iHeart podcast hosted by writer Strong, 727 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: sound engineering, editing and mixing by Bo Milkins, produced by 728 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: Tess Porthology. Executive producers at iHeartRadio Trevor Young and Matt Frederick, 729 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: Associate producer Bo milkis original score by Kyle Morgan. If 730 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: you're enjoying the show, please remember to leave with review 731 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: of raining. 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