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Speaker 1: What's up Happy our listeners. I'm back at Kofren and

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Speaker 1: I am Shelle Young and we're excited to be back

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Speaker 1: with you once again. This week. For the first time ever,

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Speaker 1: we have a new guests who'll be joining Happy Hour,

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Speaker 1: and that is mister Sean Lowe, one of our favorites.

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Speaker 1: So we can't wait to have him on very shortly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we are so excited. And even though he is

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Speaker 1: this new guest, he's definitely not new to Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 1: He's been around for quite some time. And he actually

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Speaker 1: is going to make some type of appearance in in

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Speaker 1: Zach season coming forward. And I have so many questions

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Speaker 1: for this man, just because I feel like there's so

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Speaker 1: many different things that are going on. There's so many

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Speaker 1: different factors when you're like stepping into the lead role,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm really curious to kind of hear the

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Speaker 1: advice that he gives to Zach and Becca. You and

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Speaker 1: I were kind of just talking about this of how

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Speaker 1: how does somebody come in being in Bachelor World. He's

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Speaker 1: gone through, he's been a lead, he had a very

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Speaker 1: successful relationship, but to come in and give advice in

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Speaker 1: now a new world with social media and the leads

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Speaker 1: having to navigate that social media platform and that's something

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Speaker 1: that's in the back of your head as you're filming,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm curious to see like the perspective he's

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Speaker 1: gonna bring. Yeah, oh, definitely, and he for all of

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Speaker 1: our listeners out there, Sean was Bachelor in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I was fresh out of college. I remember I just

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Speaker 1: moved back home watching this season with my mom. My

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Speaker 1: mom like loved him, and so he it was I

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Speaker 1: would say, a different era of the Bachelor franchise as

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Speaker 1: a whole, you know, like you said social media. I

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Speaker 1: mean Facebook was around, Instagram was kind of just starting,

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Speaker 1: but it was a completely different ballgame at that time,

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Speaker 1: and I think every lead goes into their season different. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Zach's going into his season, which is coming out next week,

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Speaker 1: by the way, which is crazy to think, in a

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Speaker 1: completely different mindset that I'm sure either one of us

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see. I'm glad that Sean was

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Speaker 1: sure he went in with the intention of like wanting

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Speaker 1: Zach to find love and to find a relationship that

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Speaker 1: he can build on outside of the show. I would

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Speaker 1: be interested to see if he had social media and

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Speaker 1: that aspect in the back of his mind when he

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Speaker 1: went into his season. I can imagine he probably didn't,

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Speaker 1: so it's totally different. But he has lived in this

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Speaker 1: world now for almost well god, now it is a decade, damn.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we definitely have a lot to pick his

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Speaker 1: brain on. I'm excited to see Sean. It's been a

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Speaker 1: few seasons, I think, since we've seen him make an

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Speaker 1: appearance on somebody's season. I guess. So with that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we can just keep talking and speculating and spewing, but

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Speaker 1: I think we should just bring them on and get

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Speaker 1: into this, right, Michelle, I'm I'm excited. I'm excited. Let's

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Speaker 1: bring him on. Bring on the man. Well, welcome to

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour, Sean. Michelle and I were just saying, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is your first official appearance on Happy Hour. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so why are you bringing the old man out of retirement?

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Speaker 1: What's going on here? We didn't bring you up. The

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Speaker 1: franchise brought you back out. We heard you make a

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Speaker 1: little guests appearance this season. Yeah, I spent some time

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Speaker 1: with Zach. I love that guy. Yeah. We we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into all of that. I do have to say though,

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Speaker 1: just speaking of like time frames and everything your season

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Speaker 1: right ten years ago? How do you not age? You

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Speaker 1: How can I get it? I'm the words of affirmation person,

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Speaker 1: So keep keep this coming. I'm over here laughing, Sean,

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Speaker 1: because this girl is brown knowsing you. She literally before

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Speaker 1: you got on, Becca Goes. I just graduated college when

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Speaker 1: your season came on. I was still in college, Sean. Oh,

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Speaker 1: college sounds good. I mean I hear from people all

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Speaker 1: She's like, this guy is great. He needs to be

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Speaker 1: glad to hear that. Over the years, that's probably the

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Speaker 1: don't do like that, You actually didn't do your laundry.

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Speaker 1: it was to the extreme. I think most people understood

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Speaker 1: it was so good. Um, well, let's just catch up,

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Speaker 1: How has life been? How is everything with Catherine and

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Speaker 1: the cute kiddos? Katherine and I are taking a break. Um,

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Speaker 1: I thought I would out here on your podcast first.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, the headlines are going to go wild

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Speaker 1: after this, just so much. This man knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Life kids not being better. We I mean, we just

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Speaker 1: we have a beautiful life. Were so incredibly grateful and thankful.

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Speaker 1: And Katherine and I it's funny, like not to sound

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Speaker 1: too cliche, but ten years ago, when we're shooting The Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: our dreams. So I'm super brit love that. Such a

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Speaker 1: So how were your holidays? Did you do anything fun

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Speaker 1: of advice that you would say makes a healthy marriage? Oh? Man?

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Speaker 1: So number one? And this is really the easiest. It's

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Speaker 1: the hardest and it's the easiest, but it's commit. You

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Speaker 1: In case you didn't know that, there's a news flash,

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Speaker 1: like there are gonna be days where Catherine does not

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Speaker 1: I just wanted him to know, like, Hey, you've got

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00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: a buddy here. If you need me, reach out. And

429
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: it was kind of cool that we did FaceTime a

430
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: couple times throughout the season, um, just because I wanted

431
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: to make sure he was he was doing well mentally.

432
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: It can definitely take a toll on you, especially when

433
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: you're the lead. You really don't have friends. You know,

434
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: when you're one of twenty five guys on The Bachelorette

435
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: you can kind of make friends and you can talk

436
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: to them when you're not filming and hang out. You

437
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: really don't have that luxury as a lead outside of

438
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: some the producers around you. So I just wanted him

439
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: to know, like, Hey, very few people have gone through this,

440
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: but I have, So if you need me, I'm here

441
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: for you. I really love the way that you've kind

442
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: of have broken down, how you and Zach have built

443
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: a relationship throughout him being announced to now getting ready

444
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: for him to air on the show, and with all

445
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: of that you haven't. You've been in bacheldation and for like,

446
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: those who you know follow you on social media might

447
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: keep up with everything, but you aren't always around. And

448
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: now recently you've come back. Would you say that you

449
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: came back because like, does a part of Zach remind

450
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: you of yourself? Well, the truth is that I'm desperately

451
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: clinging to my fifteen minutes of fame and I saw

452
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: so that's where I came from. It's honestly as simple

453
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: as I got to know Zach. I really really like Zach,

454
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: like we will be friends. Um and listen, this first episode,

455
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna show the absolutely ridiculous stuff with me and Zach.

456
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: I said, I will do this, but I don't want

457
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: to do the same old, same old sit down give advice.

458
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: The guy's not really listening. I said, if I'm gonna

459
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: do it, let's let's try to make it funny. Yeah,

460
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: so put ourselves in some really funny situations. I don't

461
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: know how it's going to perceive. I'm so intrigued. I

462
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: know it seems like like a young girl, like a

463
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: young grasshopper situation, karate kid training him in wax on

464
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: wax off washing the car with Zak. Yeah, and the

465
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: sad thing is, I'm mister, that's that's but like that's

466
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: what's great. I can already picture like you being in

467
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: these situations where you're training him how to like navigate

468
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: like Bachelor boot Camp. Almost. Well, it's probably good for

469
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: him to like loosen up and feel more comfortable in

470
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: this role. And you know, yes, he's used to the

471
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: cameras around he filmed on Gabby and Rachel's season, but

472
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: this is the first time we're it's like the focus

473
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: is solely on him. So I'm sure this helped in

474
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: a way. I mean, damn, I wish I had something.

475
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean I did have the girls like the previous

476
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: batch or it's come to see me. But it's always

477
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: nice to help loosen you up a little bit. And

478
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, we went in. We did some really goofy stuff.

479
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: I think he'll show his personality. I think people are

480
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: going to him really quickly. We did see some shower

481
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: scenes of you two in the promos, so yeah, I

482
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: told you way to hook the viewers. I okay, So

483
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: I want to ask you then about your time as

484
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: the Bachelor too, And again, everyone experiences everything so differently.

485
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: What were some of your biggest fears and on the

486
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: flip side, like what were you most excited about for

487
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: that first night? Oh man, fears fears. I really don't

488
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: think I had any fears, Like I was so excited

489
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: just for the experience, right, And I think part of

490
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: that excitement is not knowing what's around the corner. So

491
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: every limo that pulls up, I had no idea who

492
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: was walking out, if they would be a potential match

493
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: or not. I didn't know that this cute, bubbly little

494
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Filipino girl was going to come out and take my heart.

495
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really didn't have any fear like I

496
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: And I think part of that is because I'd gone

497
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: through three months of being on the Bachelorette and I

498
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: got to feel for how things work, and uh, you know,

499
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed my time on it. I had a

500
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: lot of fun, made friends with the producers, and so

501
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: going into the Bachelor, I was more just kind of

502
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: stoked about it, for lack of a better word, than

503
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: anything else. And so I was really really excited. And

504
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: then as far as things I was looking forward to,

505
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: just you know, traveling and having these experiences that the

506
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: normal person doesn't get to have, right, Yeah, Like every

507
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: little date you go on is not something that you know,

508
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Joe Schmo gets to do. And so the idea of

509
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: trapping and doing these amazing things all around the globe

510
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: was so exciting to me. I love that. I'm curious,

511
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: do you have a favorite or do you have a

512
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: specific entrance from when you were a lead that you

513
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: recalled aside from Catherine, But whether it's it funny or

514
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: something weird? Which one comes out from your night one

515
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: when you were There's there's two that come to mind immediately.

516
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: One was a girl named Robin, who Catherine is still

517
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: very good friends with. She tried to do like a

518
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: backhand spring in her dress and she fell on her

519
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: head um, and I felt for her that rushed over

520
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: to try to pick her up. So like that was

521
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: not the entrance she wanted to make. Please come to

522
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: her longer than night one. Yes, yes, she and I

523
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: actually now I'm friends with her husband, so at all. Okay,

524
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: that's amazing. She's gonna be so pissed at you for

525
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: bringing that out. She's like, we let that die, we

526
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: buried it, and now I mean talking about it again.

527
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: Tell me she's done. Another backhand spring, like with you

528
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: and Catherine at some point, No, but we need to

529
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: ask her to Oh man, that disamount. I want to

530
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: see it though. Yeah. And then the second one that

531
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: comes to mind, like Fifty Shades of Gray was the

532
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: biggest book at the time, and so one of the

533
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: girls came up. She was like holding a tie and

534
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: she made a fifty Shades of Gray reference and like,

535
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: if you know me, that's just that's not really gonna

536
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: hook me, right, And so like that was the first

537
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: moment of me thinking, Okay, this is gonna be a

538
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: mixed bag, Like it's not just these girls that are

539
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: well suited for me. Yeah, you're like, what did I

540
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: sign up for it? Exactly? Did you? I know that

541
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: Catherine had She wrote you notes throughout the season, like

542
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: whether it's posted or postcards, do you still have all

543
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: of those? I still have a lot of them. Yeah, yeah,

544
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: they're very special. I'm sure. Yeah. I was like, if

545
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: you got rid of those, man, get out of here.

546
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: She wrote me, And this is really tragic. She wrote

547
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: me this long note right before um I proposed to her,

548
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: and so Chris Harrison walks out, he gives me this

549
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: note and at the time I thought, oh my goodness,

550
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: this is like a Dear John letter where she's leaving

551
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: me here and she's not gonna up, you know, as

552
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm about to propose. And it was just a note

553
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: about how she wanted to live the rest of her

554
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: life with me and how she wanted to create a

555
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: family with me, and it was very very special. And

556
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: so I've always kept that in my Bible. Right, and

557
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: just recently, someone broke into my truck my Bible and

558
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: you're kidding, that's gonna be karma coming back to them,

559
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: though you're kidding. Wait, this needs to get to that person,

560
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: make it right, deliver the Bible back. I'm trying. I'm

561
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: trying to get it back. Also just the fact that like,

562
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: first of all, your truck got broken into, and that's

563
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: what they took. I know it was then I had

564
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: a bag in my truck and then just snashed the bag.

565
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: And sometimes people are the worst. Oh my gosh, Well,

566
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: I hope they feel terrible once they read this letter

567
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: and the Bible. Hopefully they read it all. Hopefully they

568
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: read the Bible is put it on your doorstep, just

569
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: leave the letter, like you don't even have to come forward.

570
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: But but redeliver the letter. Yeah, what are the odds

571
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: the thief listens to a bachel podcast. Yeah, there's definitely

572
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: a slim pickings. But if anyone goes anywhere though, you know,

573
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: that's a bummer. Well, at least you still have some

574
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: of the other ones. And I'm pretty sure the show

575
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: didn't she like it had her words like when you

576
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: were reading that, right, So it's like you still have

577
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: some part of it hopefully. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

578
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: Trying to find the silver lining here for you. Seriously,

579
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: So we've talked a little bit about your conversations with Zach,

580
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of contestants that are stepping out

581
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: of the limo for the first time. Um, what is

582
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: any advice that any advice if they're listening, that you

583
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: could give to contestants on this season of what they

584
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: have to look forward to? Um, and anyone who potentially

585
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: wants to be a contestant in the future on seasons

586
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: that aren't even around yet. Um. Okay, Well, first thing

587
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: that comes to mind, don't take yourself too seriously because

588
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: at its core, it is a very silly show, right, Like,

589
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: it's absolutely ridiculous. I think the people that go into it,

590
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: and there were one or two women on my season

591
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: that kind of had this thought like Sean is going

592
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: to be my husband, like night one, like they just

593
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm here to fall in love, Sean's gonna be my husband.

594
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Those people are a little crazy, right, Like just be

595
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: a normal person is going to go into it and

596
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: think like this is just gonna be a great experience

597
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: no matter what happens, good or bad, It's gonna be

598
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: a great experience for me. And I'm not going to

599
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: take myself too seriously because at its core, it's a

600
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: silly show and if I find love even better. So

601
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: that's that's my biggest piece of advice, like don't take

602
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: yourself seriously. I mean we need to just like make

603
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: an advice thing for everyone coming on the show and

604
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: be like just read this. Here's a list from all

605
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: the past leads of things that you shouldn't should not do. Okay, wait,

606
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: I have a super curious question that just popped into

607
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: my head. Ye are the female least for the bachelorettes,

608
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: there was like this, um, what what do you call it?

609
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: Like this by what was it a bachelorte? We're talking

610
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: about this again? Okay, but I'm curious though, is all

611
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: the bachelorettes like we're in a group chat, but there

612
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: there is this bachelortte bible of advice? Was there? Like?

613
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: Has there been anything like that with the bachelor's like

614
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: with the men, Like, do you guys put each other

615
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: in group chats where you like include everybody? Is there

616
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: like a passing of the torch? Is there like any

617
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: like top secret stuff you're not supposed to share that

618
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: you can share with us? Honestly not, to my knowledge,

619
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: there was never a bachelor Bible. There's never been a

620
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: group text, or if there has, I was left out

621
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: of it. Um dang. I was kind of flying blind. Um.

622
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: I had never even met Ben Flannic, who was the

623
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: bachelor before me, and I didn't really know what I

624
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: was getting myself into. I wish that I had some

625
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: guidance that might have helped a little bit interesting, But yeah,

626
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the bachelors have done it.

627
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: Sounds like a near as good a job as the

628
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: bachelottes have done in that regard, you know, the difference

629
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: between men and women. I also think as I didn't

630
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: read it well, I tried sending it to someone, I

631
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: just didn't make it. You know, we try, We totally,

632
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: but um, I don't. I was gonna say somebody. I

633
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: don't remember what else where I was going with that. Um,

634
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: but all right, Okay, Sean, it has been so much

635
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: fun having you here. We're actually very excited to see

636
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: your appearance and whatever silliness you have to bring for

637
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: this season of the Bachelorum. Hopefully, like we said, it

638
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: helps Zack loosen up a little bit, just get his bearings. Um.

639
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, we can't wait to see what goes down.

640
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Speaker 1: Do you know what happens in the end? Do you

641
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: know any teasers or spoilers? I do. I'm not going

642
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: to spoil it, but I know what happens. Okay. I

643
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: have no idea we're going to blind this season, so okay, well,

644
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Speaker 1: I'll be the the ABC promoter guy. It's going to

645
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: be great. Tune in watch it. M Yeah again, everyone

646
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Speaker 1: in premierees next week, which is crazy to say already,

647
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Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see what that first episode has to hold. Now, Sean,

648
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: we're going to get into the last little bits of

649
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: this podcast, and every week we sort of this new

650
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: thing where we like to share resources and just keep

651
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: our listeners informed about social issues and so Michelle, would

652
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: you like to kick it off this week? Yeah? Absolutely.

653
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: I write an article like two weeks ago that came

654
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: across my page and it was interesting because it's titled

655
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Speaker 1: Deconstructing Karen and it's really interesting. I actually just pulled

656
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: it up here because I wanted to point at to

657
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: something that was like included in it. So like it's

658
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 1: um like an Apple iTunes documentary, So I have a

659
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: an account, but if you don't, you do have to

660
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: pay like many an instance or something that. So it's

661
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: not like a free resource, but it's definitely worth it.

662
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: And it talks about just kind of really for white

663
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Speaker 1: women to start deconstructing racism and starting the journey to

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Speaker 1: become anti racist and getting real about it and how

665
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Speaker 1: to become an ally in those different things. And it

666
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: is like touchy is not the correct word. It definitely

667
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Speaker 1: is for somebody who is more open to bettering themselves,

668
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: for sure, and it really does challenge that. It reminded

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Speaker 1: me a lot of what is that book called I'm

670
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Speaker 1: Blinking that I gave a wreck for white white fragility,

671
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: very similar but from a woman's perspective. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting read. It's an edgier read

673
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: or listening you can listen to, and I'll link both

674
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Speaker 1: of them. I'll link the article and then i'll also

675
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: link um the docuseries that's on Apple iTunes that you

676
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: can that you can get um. But yeah, I really

677
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: like it and it really touches on the whole you

678
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Speaker 1: know that person that you picture with Karen and really

679
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: holding yourself accountable, and we know what Karen means. Um.

680
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Speaker 1: I know after people hear this, people named Karen will

681
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 1: probably comfort you, like, so it's nothing to get. Yeah,

682
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: it's en, it's the yeah, and it's not against this

683
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Speaker 1: is only for Karen's no, you know, just kind of

684
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: what that words it's all about, like syntax and words

685
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: have meaning and all that stuff, right, and being a Karen.

686
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Speaker 1: There are very nice people who are named Karen, but

687
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Speaker 1: being a Karen means just somebody who's not lifting others up,

688
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: and it really combats that. So um, deconstructing Karen. All right,

689
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Speaker 1: we'll thank you, Michelle, yea, Sean, I'll just share mine

690
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: and then we'll let you wrap with yours. But I

691
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: so I have two, Like one is just kind of

692
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: one that fell into my lap. That's like probably not

693
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: the best resource to share. But there is a show. God,

694
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Speaker 1: I don't even want to say what this is. There's

695
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: a show on Netflix that I think is new. It's

696
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: called Partner Track, and it's not great, but now I'm

697
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: in it, so it's like I might as well just

698
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: finish it. But I think it's like within episode five

699
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: or six, there's a part and it's basically about this

700
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: law firm in New York City and there's two of

701
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: the actors in it. One is black, one is white.

702
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: They have this confrontation in a room where the white

703
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: man says something like, well, you like are on track

704
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: to become partner because you're black and the black characters

705
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: also gay, and so he's like these two things under

706
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: your belt. They're not going to fire you. You basically

707
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: have a job security. So it goes into this whole

708
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: discussion of the black man and I don't remember their names. Again, Like,

709
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: the show's not great, but it is a very good

710
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: scene to learn from. That's why I'm referencing it. Is

711
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: the black man is like, you like that is that

712
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: to its core? Like it has racist undertones, And he

713
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: goes on to explain like why that thought mentality, especially

714
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: like in this very white dominated workforce, is is hindering

715
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: other employees. And so I would I would just say

716
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: maybe check out like episode five of this show, and

717
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: then the actual resource that I want to share is

718
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: it's Michell. We've talked about this podcast before, the Still

719
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: Processing podcast. I think it's the newest episode and I think,

720
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: let me look at my notes, but I think it's

721
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: The episode is called America Has a Problem, and the

722
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: hosts basically go into they talk about cancel culture without

723
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: calling it like cancel culture, but they focus this episode

724
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: in particular focuses on Kanye West aka Ya, and I mean,

725
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: if anyone is living under a rock, to like briefly summarize,

726
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: he's kind of gone off the deep end and he

727
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: had very terrible remarks that were racist, anti semetic, misogynistic

728
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: tones with his tweets, with things he's just put out there.

729
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: That's like a whole other deep guy that you can

730
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: listen to in this podcast, but it talks about like,

731
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, how long are we going to give people

732
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: like him a pass? Like how long do we still

733
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Speaker 1: listen to the music or celebrate the music even though

734
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: we don't agree with the person or the artist. Basically,

735
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of like everyone has to come to that

736
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: decision on their own. But it's a very great episode.

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00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: It goes into kind of like the history history of

738
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Speaker 1: Kanye West. I don't know why I cannot talk today

739
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: the history of Kanye West, and like his growth as

740
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: an artist, but now why they're choosing to step away

741
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: from his music and kind of celebrating him as as

742
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: this artist. So that was a really great listen and

743
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: it kind of reminded me. And I haven't seen this movie,

744
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: but the Elvis movie did come out recently and I

745
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: had I don't really know much about Elvis, but I

746
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: guess there's similar things within, like the way Elvis created

747
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: his music and he's stole from black artists back in

748
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: the day. There's this whole thing, So give that a listen.

749
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: It's called still Processing and the title of that podcast

750
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: episode is America has a Problem. So those are mine

751
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: and now, Sean, if you want to take it away

752
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: into your resource, I will keep mind short and sweet.

753
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: And maybe you guys have heard about this book, no surprise,

754
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm quoting it. It's called the Bible and Genesis three

755
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: says we're all creating God's image. And then the person

756
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: that I would probably listen to the most would be Jesus.

757
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: And in Mark twelve he says love your God with

758
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: all your heart, and he follows out by saying love

759
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: your neighbor as yourself. These are the greatest commandments. If

760
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: everyone would listen to those words, take them to heart,

761
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: realize that we were all creating God's image and we

762
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: should all love each other, the world would be a

763
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: much better place. So if you have not checked that out,

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Speaker 1: please do. That's I'm quoting Mark twelve, thirty and thirty one.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to look into it,

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Speaker 1: all right, thank you and forever. If anyone who soul

767
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: us Bible is listen same, please deliver that back. Yeah,

768
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: bring my Bible back seriously? All right, Sean, Well, we

769
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: can let you go, but before we do that, this

770
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: is the I would say, one of the most fun

771
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: parts of the podcast. Every guest gets to share their

772
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: rose and their thorn. So with everything that you have

773
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: going on in your life right now, what is your rose,

774
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: like your best, happiest, favorite momentum and then on the

775
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: flip side, like maybe your messiest, most awkward thorn. Oh man,

776
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: let's see. I think the best is pretty easy. And

777
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Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't sound too too cliche. I am

778
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: married to the most amazing wife in the world. Every

779
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: day when my kids come home from school, they bust

780
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: through the door. They yell, Daddy, that run to me.

781
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: They can't wait to hug me like it is the

782
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: most beautiful thing in the world. I'm so thankful and

783
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: grateful for every day I get with my family. So

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Speaker 1: that would have to be my rose, my thorn. That's

785
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: my thorn, baby, she's over here on the side listening.

786
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: Your Bible was stolen. I don't know my thorn. At

787
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: the current moment, we're working on training our great dog Gus.

788
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: We have a bull master who's still very much a

789
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: puppy papa. Well, I don't want to get two. My

790
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: grandfather passed away on Monday. I'm sorry. He was the

791
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: most amazing man I've ever met. He was ninety seven,

792
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: he was he was ready to go, but he had

793
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: an amazing life. Um. So there you go. Either my

794
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: pup puppy training or my grandfather who passed. Which one's

795
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: more of a thorn. Yeah? Well, prayers and thoughts out

796
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: to you and your family. Um, you gotta it sounds

797
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: like you have a another great angel above you. Oh yeah,

798
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: there's no question where he is. Well, Sean, thank you

799
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: for joining us. We loved having you. I can't believe

800
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: again that this is your first time on Happy Hour.

801
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: But um, please come back anytime. I'm also bring Catherine.

802
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: We love having her on. Give her a big hug

803
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: for me. Um right now, I know I can hear her.

804
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, come over here, come say hi, but here

805
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: she is. What do you have to say? Love you guy?

806
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: Do you look stunt at its radio? But you look

807
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: so good. You're very sweet you guys. Looks good to

808
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: see you all right, Sean. Well, we know that you're

809
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: a busy man. You have three crazy kids that you

810
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: got to take care of. So we'll let you go.

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Speaker 1: But thank you again for joining us today. It was

812
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: my pleasure. Thank you, ladies. It's so good to see.

813
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: Thank you, and we'll see more of you next week. Yeah,

814
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: it was so nice talking to him. Um, it's so

815
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: interesting just to hear from a bachelor who you know,

816
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: got started not so long ago, but we have tens

817
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: of years ago. Wasn't it wasn't that long ago, but

818
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: it was it's ten years, like if I guess that's

819
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: a lot, but just like the perspective in different things

820
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: with it. One thing that I am going to acknowledge,

821
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: but I like, I've acknowledged this before, but when we

822
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: talk about like the different pressures coming into the season

823
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: and what you have in your head as you're kind

824
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: of like navigating during filming, Honestly, as a black female

825
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: coming into this, I always knew that I felt the pressure,

826
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: but like talking to different leads about their mindset and

827
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: where their focus was, I'm realizing just how much pressure

828
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: I really did feel, whether I knew where I was

829
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: coming for it or not at a point, but like though,

830
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: that robotic feeling or that constant feeling in the back

831
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: of my head where I'm like not to take like

832
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: the podcast to a dark turn or anything pun there,

833
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: but really though, but really though coming you know, being

834
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: in an area where you're like, well, how are people

835
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: going to respond with this? How is this going to

836
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: be taken? How is this going to be taken? It

837
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a character issue necessarily. It was very much of

838
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: like what I was combating as a black female in

839
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: that bill. Yeah, and I'm sure. Did you ever talk

840
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: to Rachel beforehand too? I know, because Rachel was the

841
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: first black lead in the franchise. I did. I did

842
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: speak with her briefly, but again I spoke with her

843
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: and really wanted to respect her decision when she stepped

844
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: away from the franchise because that was that season where

845
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: everything had taken a turn, well not even to everything

846
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: had unfolded with you know, the Kirconnell controversy and and

847
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: all of that, and so the Antebellum Party, and that

848
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: was what I came off of, and that's definitely where

849
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: I felt the pressure. And it's like, gosh, it's just

850
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: so different. It's so different. Yeah, and you and I can't.

851
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you went in with completely different expectations and

852
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: pressures and anxieties around certain things that I will I

853
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: could never fathom because I'm not a black woman. It's

854
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: and and just knowing how you operated, I mean, yes,

855
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Speaker 1: I know you mentioned like you were anxious throughout it,

856
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: and there was definitely I'm sure times where you questioned,

857
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: like if this was the best role for you, but

858
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: throughout like you've handled everything so well, like and you

859
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: did it the best you could, Like I think that's

860
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Speaker 1: what everyone. Yeah, I was just I think that was

861
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: just more guarded. It was, but it wasn't. It wasn't

862
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Speaker 1: guarded in like a lot of leads. I don't know

863
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: if people know this, but a lot of leads like

864
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: tend to get paranoid of Oh, yes, what are what

865
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: are your tensions? Producers, what are your intentions? You know everybody?

866
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: A lot of people get really paranoid, And for me,

867
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: I did have I actually was fairly relaxed as I

868
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: was going through it, but I was operating under really

869
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: intense pressure and really just having to think for myself

870
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: with everything, regardless of who is giving me advice, because

871
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: it was like nobody really understands what this is like,

872
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: or nobody that I'm talking to necessarily, because yeah, I

873
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: kind of really did it solo. Yeah, that's did you

874
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: have a moment like when you talk about the paranoia

875
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: and sorry, we're like quite totally on a tangent. Yeah,

876
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: I just was like this, I was just just hearing

877
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: you too today talk about like what was in your

878
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: mind and like relax and have fun, and it was yeah,

879
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: it was, Yes, I really did have fun and I

880
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: really like bonded with the people who around me. But

881
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: I was like, shit, we didn't have anybody come in

882
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: and talk to me, or we didn't have somebody, you know,

883
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: with Matt James, there was somebody by his side consulting

884
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: with him and everything, Like I really did that ship

885
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: by myself. I did have Caitlin and didn't like dang, yeah,

886
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't even really remember that. You you know,

887
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: like they'll bring past leads in or past people in

888
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: to kind of kick off the season. I didn't even

889
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: realize that you didn't have that. It was just like

890
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: you said, you're writing, so following like the most heightened

891
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: time in the Frankie's history, and just with social media

892
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: and things. With Sean, he was like, well, social media

893
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: was around, but it wasn't like that. And you were

894
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: saying like, you know, social media is just getting started,

895
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, shit, we were in COVID, we were

896
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: in pandemic lockdown. Everybody did social media like that's all

897
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: you did. That's all everybody was on is getting their

898
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: hands into stuff and all that's everything. I'm like, Dan, yeah, oh,

899
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: give myself a little pat on the back right now.

900
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: You treat yourself you oh gosh. But now like, also,

901
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: now that you're out of it, like you've checked that box,

902
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: you did it? Now, like, do you feel like you

903
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: can be more free in a way where you can

904
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: be more yourself and breathe even though you are still

905
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: in the public spotlight. You are still you know, you

906
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: have a lot of people following you who are fans

907
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 1: of the show. Do you feel like you can breathe

908
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: a bit more not all that's behind you. Yeah. And

909
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: I want to start with I'm me bringing this up.

910
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: Isn't like me saying well I didn't have that, and

911
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: I you know, we joke about like me not being

912
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: able to travel and like whatever, But but it's really

913
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that the leads around me were able

914
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: to receive that support. And I did have I will

915
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: say Kaitlyn Bristow. Kaitlyn Bristow helped me a ton, a

916
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: ton for sure. But yeah, I think now now I'm

917
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: very much like I got myself through it. I navigated that.

918
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: I navigated the race piece by myself. I navigate and

919
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: when I say about you know, I navigated it by myself.

920
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: And now I'm just like I know how to navigate

921
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: things in a way where I can very much relax

922
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: and also very much realize when somebody is putting me

923
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: in a situation where I will have repercussions and consequences,

924
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: whether and they don't intend to. But I've learned to

925
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: think for myself for sure. And yeah, and I've really

926
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: honestly learning this new world of social media. You can

927
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: mess a lot of things up. And I've been put

928
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: in situations that I really could have unintentionally hurt myself,

929
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: and because I am able to think for myself, I

930
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: was able to be like no, no and turn those

931
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: things down. But yeah, wild, wild times. But I'm really

932
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: happy that him and Zach really to kind of bring

933
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: that conversation back to Sean really happy that him and

934
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: Zach are able to kind of have that relationship. And

935
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: it seems like Zach has a lot of support from

936
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: counterparts and just different things as he's navigating this, and

937
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: that's that's great because the world is not easy. Yeah,

938
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: and it's going to change very quickly for him. If

939
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: it hasn't already, he will experience it very soon next

940
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: week with his very own season premiere. So yeah, I

941
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: think with that, I mean, we'll have a lot to

942
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: talk about next week. I don't know who the guest

943
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: is quite yet. Maybe it'll be Zack, maybe somebody from

944
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: his season. We'll find out. But yeah, Michelle, it's always

945
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: so great chatting with you. Thank you again for being

946
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: here with me today. Couldn't do this without girl. But yeah,

947
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: I'll see you. Absolutely love you. Sam goes to you,

948
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: Becca and Bachelor Happy Our listeners. If you know the

949
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: person who took that bible that has that letter from Catherine,

950
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: if there's anything you get from that podcast, this podcast,

951
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: bring it back, please return it. Yeah, just drop it

952
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: off in the mailbox on the front step, the truck

953
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: that you broke into, whatever it might be, that's nobody's

954
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: got to know. Nobody's got to know. Just get the

955
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: letter back. Do the right thing here, amen. Okay, well

956
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: with that, let's end on that note and do the

957
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: right thing. Thank you to Sean for joining us today,

958
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: and of course to all of you bauch Our Happy

959
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