WEBVTT - The Boys Finale Reactions

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for this The Boys, the

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<v Speaker 1>entire series, that series finale, season five, and The Boys

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<v Speaker 1>writ large, also some vought rising just the entire Boys universe.

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<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be a lost boilest bit of Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello. My name is Jason mccupcio. He on'm Rosey Night,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to ex Revision, the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 1>dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture,

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<v Speaker 1>company from my Heart, where we're bringing you through episodes of.

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<v Speaker 2>Weekless news, close news.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's episode, we are giving you our reactions to

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<v Speaker 3>the finale of the Boys, and then we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>discuss the final season overall and kind of how we

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<v Speaker 3>feel about the conclusion to this show that's start in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen and has been this kind of wild political

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<v Speaker 3>commentary ride right until the end in some really unexpected ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But first the Boys Bays, let's quickly recap what we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen as we go to head towards the season finale.

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<v Speaker 1>The series finale, starting with episode six, Though the Heavens Fall.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the episode in which Sage and Homelander watch

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<v Speaker 1>a guy and injected with blue serum. Sage's attempt at

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<v Speaker 1>V one recreation, he bleeds out of his rectimens and dies.

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<v Speaker 1>We meet Paul Riiser as the Legend. We meet the

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<v Speaker 1>other old timer v one Soup's bomb Site, and Goldie

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<v Speaker 1>the Deep has his pipeline disaster and films a propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>video about how the sea life loves oil and then

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<v Speaker 1>privately admits to a fish that they all kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hated and this turns the ocean basically against him. Sage

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<v Speaker 1>Sister Sage defects. The Soldier Boy has a long reverie

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<v Speaker 1>about stormfront Uh and then Soldier Boy goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>Vaught Tower presents Homelander with the V one after having

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<v Speaker 1>stolen it from the boys. He depowers bomb site by

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<v Speaker 1>burning the V one out of him with his nuclear beam,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Homelander uses his heat vision to open a

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<v Speaker 1>wound in his own arm. He injects himself with the

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<v Speaker 1>V one and he is now immortal.

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<v Speaker 2>Scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode seven, penultimate episode, which was strangely strangely divisive episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very divisive.

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<v Speaker 3>It was super Producer Joel was a big fan of

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<v Speaker 3>this episode, felt like it really worked.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt quite neutral about the whole season, like it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't excite me. Greatly. It didn't like sev me, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very divisive episode.

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<v Speaker 3>We'd already had the fill episodes conversation, and with episode

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<v Speaker 3>seven we kind of started to feel people feeling a

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<v Speaker 3>fatigue with the show and where it was going. I

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<v Speaker 3>think maybe because it was going exactly where we.

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<v Speaker 2>All knew it was gonna go.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you know that and it does deliver on

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<v Speaker 3>what you're expecting, the question is like, it's all about execution,

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes it's not gonna work for people.

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<v Speaker 1>So in episode seven, where you've got the big build

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<v Speaker 1>up to Homelander is God, Oh Father, is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rehearsing for the big Homelander is God reveal. Homelander is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course now immortal. He makes a list of things

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<v Speaker 1>that he wants done. They include make the Democratic Church

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<v Speaker 1>of America in the national religion, send troops into sanctuary cities,

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<v Speaker 1>ban abortion, one on abortion, on all nut milk, no

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<v Speaker 1>pure breast milk or milk cow milk only. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>No more nut milk. It's a it's a scourge on

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<v Speaker 1>the country. Calhoun, President Calhoun, the sock puppet. President cal

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<v Speaker 1>Kunling lightly pushes back on stuff and Homelander kills him.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say bad idea, like extremely bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley Barrett is not president. Homelander dissolves the Seven, declares

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't need them anymore because he is.

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<v Speaker 3>God pride before a fool my guy like you are.

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<v Speaker 3>He falls into this so quickly and so obviously. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>I do think this is one of the issues, is

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<v Speaker 3>like you would hope that someone who's so evil semoniacal.

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<v Speaker 3>We know he's fucked up, we know he's like stuck

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<v Speaker 3>in this kind of you know, frozen in childhood, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>who isn't my guy, we don't know become like crazy fascists.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all dealing with actual.

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<v Speaker 3>Mode, Like come on, So yeah, it's uh he I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like he falls for it too fast, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>just like, fuck it, I don't need anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tough, I'm a god, I'm immortal. It's gonna be.

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<v Speaker 1>Badly, very pathetically pleased to stay on in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to watch consistently.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, in this show, we shouted him out, like when

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<v Speaker 3>we were talking about the boys before, But like Chase

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<v Speaker 3>Crawford is just what a role like unafraid to just

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<v Speaker 3>be the absolute fucking worst at all. Times and always

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<v Speaker 3>be showing the worst possible side of this character is simpering,

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<v Speaker 3>like begging to be involved, begging to be allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>be part of like the world's worst fascist government. It's

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<v Speaker 3>so pathetic it is hard to watch. You're right, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a credit to him.

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<v Speaker 1>We see Soldier Boy in cryo and this and a

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<v Speaker 1>scene that feels like a handoff to the Vote Rising prequel.

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<v Speaker 1>The boys irradiate Comiko. He hears Kamiko screaming, finds Frenchy

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<v Speaker 1>and Butcher exposing her to massive of enriched uranium in

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<v Speaker 1>the safe house. They are trying, of course, to replicate

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<v Speaker 1>the original Russian experiments that gave Soldier Boys his power

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<v Speaker 1>stripping nuclear check collassed U. It's very painful. Huey's horrified,

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<v Speaker 1>Butcher and Frenchy insists this is the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they can do, and Camiko's like, yeah, I want this

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<v Speaker 1>keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>I want sick nuclear powers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here come the youngsters. Marie Moreau Jordan show up.

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<v Speaker 1>Annie initially tries to dismiss Marie, saying her powers are

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<v Speaker 1>too unstable to be useful, which is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, is where the conversation started.

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<v Speaker 1>But it does not make sense, doesn't Marie then throws

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<v Speaker 1>Annie's online back at her, saying, since when did hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>and I You've become the same thing. The four of

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<v Speaker 1>them stake out Vought Studios, where O father has been

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<v Speaker 1>spending a lot of time. They discover oh father is

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<v Speaker 1>running a focus group screening of the Easter Homelander unveiling

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<v Speaker 1>for ordinary folks, with she Line and dog Knot and

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<v Speaker 1>two of the teenage kicks embedding the audience to basically

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<v Speaker 1>murder anybody who doesn't believe that crazy that this is true.

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<v Speaker 1>She Line and dog Knot are disgusting, sniffing each other,

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<v Speaker 1>licking each other. MM and Annie are are horrified listening

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<v Speaker 1>and watching them through the events, and when they start

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<v Speaker 1>murdering the crowd, MM and Annie get involved hell she

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<v Speaker 1>Line and dog Knot and Annie evacuates the focus group

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<v Speaker 1>to safety. We get the emotional core of the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>which is MM telling Annie where his nickname comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>As a kid, he found a baby bird. He nursed

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<v Speaker 1>it back to health, and the kid and neighborhood kids

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<v Speaker 1>were mocking him, but it stuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to tell you something, guys, five million times

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<v Speaker 3>fucking bat than where he got them in the comics,

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<v Speaker 3>do not google it, do not fucking read it.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can guess, you can get guess you can guess

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<v Speaker 1>based on the coming. Butcher and Hughey infiltrate Vought's studios separately,

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<v Speaker 1>they're captured by Synaps, who is a shape shifter. Synaps

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<v Speaker 1>pulls the Joe Kessler hallucination right out of Butcher's head

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<v Speaker 1>use it against him. We basically find out that Butcher

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<v Speaker 1>was the only member of his SA S unit to

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<v Speaker 1>survive or remission because he'd do the most horrible things

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<v Speaker 1>he needed to do in order to complete the objective.

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<v Speaker 1>Butcher is broken psychologically, and Synaps extracts the location of

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<v Speaker 1>the boys safe house where Sage and Kimiko are. Huey

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<v Speaker 1>buys time by distracting Synaps, and Butcher kills him. Homelander

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the base and you know, Camiko and Sage

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<v Speaker 1>are in there. French. He volunteers to be bait. He

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<v Speaker 1>loures Homelander towards the uranium chamber, talking big shit in

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<v Speaker 1>French talking. They've already replicated Soldier boys depowering ability, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know we're going to use it on you very soon,

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<v Speaker 1>he French. He locks himself inside the radiation chamber gives

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<v Speaker 1>Homelander to the finger, you know, implying that the chamber

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<v Speaker 1>will kill a Homelander even though it won't. Homelander is

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<v Speaker 1>v one immortal. He does not take the bait regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>instead reaches through the glass through Frenchy's chests and rips

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<v Speaker 1>out his organs. Yeah, Kamiko finds him blading. Yeah, Kamiko

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<v Speaker 1>finds him bleeding out, and they have a heartwarming moment

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<v Speaker 1>together as he you know, says Chitim mccor all of

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<v Speaker 1>his his most notable phrases. And also this to your

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<v Speaker 1>point about comics authenticity, this was this was very much

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<v Speaker 1>like the comic version of his death, although you know better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, As with everything in this show, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally we end with sister Sage, just like

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<v Speaker 1>in a depression spiral, she realizes she can't predict the

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<v Speaker 1>impact of like love. She can only impact like predict

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<v Speaker 1>like hate and stuff and her own heartbreak over Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Goodalkin it has basically like totally broken her and so

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<v Speaker 1>she's useless. So she keeps lobotomizing herself and binge watching

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<v Speaker 1>Love Island, another trash TV good fab Now we come

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<v Speaker 1>to the finale Homelander. We get you know, basically a

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<v Speaker 1>we open with a body count montage, basically setting us

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<v Speaker 1>up for hopefully a very satisfying end of Homelander, letting

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<v Speaker 1>us know all the terrible things that he's done. We

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<v Speaker 1>go to Frenchie's funeral. It's all the boys, you know, Butcher, Hueye, CANi, Go,

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<v Speaker 1>m m Annie and Sage standing around. Hue reads Frenchy's will,

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<v Speaker 1>which is crude and funny as you would expect.

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<v Speaker 3>Lots of talk about He's seen the fucking asses and

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<v Speaker 3>the assholes and their dick and get it lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimiko can't speak. She has also apparently lost the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to fire the depowering blast because of butcher diagnosis. It

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<v Speaker 1>has because of like the emotional trauma of losing Frenchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan is hiding somewhere in Russia and the wilds of Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>still watching watching TV, which I guess goes out around

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<v Speaker 1>the world in English. Yeah, of course famous Homelanders shows up.

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<v Speaker 1>Now if you want immortal, basically trying to like make

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<v Speaker 1>up with Ryan is like you should come come back

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<v Speaker 1>with a tower you have, like you have a whole floor.

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<v Speaker 1>You have my blood. It's very important that like the

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<v Speaker 1>son of God, you know, like you could just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just kill people in the street like me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be great. Ryan is out of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're in. Sage return to Frenchy's grave, where Kimmiko is

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<v Speaker 1>still there. Stage launches into it very mean monologue in

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<v Speaker 1>which she refers to Kimiko as friend, she's pet and

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<v Speaker 1>this is French She never got to be happy because

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<v Speaker 1>of her, and that his death is because of her.

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<v Speaker 1>Chimico's rage builds, and she does fire the powering blast

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<v Speaker 1>as out of like emotional destroyers.

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<v Speaker 2>When I get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Firing the blast, Sage takes a full hit and when

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<v Speaker 1>she gets up, she's dumb. Now she's just a regular person.

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<v Speaker 2>She can't dream.

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<v Speaker 1>She's wanted this forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Due She really upset about this, that like she's evil.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did she get what she wants?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like just labby dumb, Like it's much less they

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<v Speaker 3>in dressed to everyone. This is like abolition, babe, just

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<v Speaker 3>labby dumb. Like she's fine. She's no good to editing

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<v Speaker 3>evil now.

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<v Speaker 1>Butcher confesses that Sage agreed to this provocation of Chimico

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<v Speaker 1>as a way to figure out if she's if Kimmico

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<v Speaker 1>still had the power, and it works, so we go.

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<v Speaker 1>We now realize can strip a soup of their powers

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<v Speaker 1>permanently with her chest blast.

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<v Speaker 2>You may coo do x macinnacd X Macanna.

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<v Speaker 1>The boys then decide that they're going to ambush Homeland

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<v Speaker 1>Or during his Easter Sunday Oval Office televised speech, and

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<v Speaker 1>they use the underground. They're going to use the underground

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel the JFK supposed leads to sneak. Marilyn Monroe in

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<v Speaker 1>Sage announces that she's not coming because she doesn't she

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<v Speaker 1>can't do anything anyway, and all she wants to do

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<v Speaker 1>is go to Harry Potter World in Universal Universal Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think they added that to be like she's

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<v Speaker 3>still evil? They were like that's the only place she

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<v Speaker 3>wants to go. They were just like, she's just normy.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, she's just annoy me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what they're saying. The boys, Marie, Marie, Jordan,

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<v Speaker 1>Emma evacuate the rescued focus group people to Canada. They're now, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go away, go to the border.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, what do you mean this is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>best ships we've ever had in the hole of the

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<v Speaker 3>fucking Boys universe, and not even that, two of the

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<v Speaker 3>most interesting powers we've ever seen. Like, even if Marie's

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<v Speaker 3>obviously I'm not gonna lie, I feel like I gotta

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<v Speaker 3>know the behind the scenes choices here Crippkey is saying

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<v Speaker 3>it's because in season three there's season three that got

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<v Speaker 3>canceled of GENV it would have been Marie's like Dagabar

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<v Speaker 3>Yoda learning her training season. But I feel like we

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<v Speaker 3>actually got that with her in Godolkin.

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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of the point. She was being trained

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<v Speaker 2>by the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Evil, fucking powerful guy who created Soups, So it was

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<v Speaker 3>like she was being trained to be the Homelander, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a bomb. I think it's crazy that for some reason

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<v Speaker 3>that got delayed at it think I would have just

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<v Speaker 3>loved to see her. Imagine if she'd just like they'd

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<v Speaker 3>let her try like halfway through the episode and you'd

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<v Speaker 3>be like, why is this happening and she just like

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<v Speaker 3>blew off his arm or something, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>for fuck's sake, you're not powerful enough, like go train

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<v Speaker 3>anything better than just like go Like she can let

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<v Speaker 3>really control people.

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<v Speaker 1>Cancel the show and that's it. Yeah, that's why. That's honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I does feel like that, right, that's why the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And they probably had her on a studio option for

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<v Speaker 1>appearances in other Boys properties contingent on gen V continuing

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't, so they they could have had her

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<v Speaker 1>in it more.

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<v Speaker 2>But bro, I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually they'd probably have to sign her to a

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<v Speaker 1>new deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this is what I needs happened. I need.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way that I will support.

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<v Speaker 3>Vat Rising is if it's secretly a show about Marie

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<v Speaker 3>Ramireau going back in time and killing all those Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric Kripkey, you got to surprise us, because no one

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<v Speaker 3>want to watch that Nazi romance show.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Boys infiltrate the White House through the fuck Tunnel. Homelander, however,

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<v Speaker 1>has anticipated this and locked the door behind them, and

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<v Speaker 1>the mission is very nearly doomed. But then President Ashley Barrett,

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<v Speaker 1>acting on her conscience after spending the entire episode not

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<v Speaker 1>able to tap into her Voldemort head because of an

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<v Speaker 1>argument they had in episode seven, goes down and lets

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<v Speaker 1>them through, and the other actually is basically like you

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<v Speaker 1>did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Bitch, Congratulations, good job, good job.

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<v Speaker 1>And he kills the deep. They have a fight. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a fight over by like a shoreline, and she

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<v Speaker 1>gives him one last chance to renounce Homelander. Of course

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<v Speaker 1>he can't. He blames her for ruining his life. She

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<v Speaker 1>into the ocean and the sea life. Finally get the

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<v Speaker 1>revenge octopus tentacle through the through the ass, up through

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<v Speaker 1>the mouth, and he is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. It was like he was. He was always abusing

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<v Speaker 2>that octopus. This is what he does.

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<v Speaker 1>He was terrible to all sea creatures that he knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was wrong. Hue and m M get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>get into a fight with o father in the studio

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<v Speaker 1>in the TV studio. Oh father is about to blast

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<v Speaker 1>hue but then and EMM puts the instructible ballgag that

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley had given him into his mouth and as he's

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<v Speaker 1>using his like scream and it blows his head apart

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<v Speaker 1>and sprays Hueye with gore. And Huey is like, why

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<v Speaker 1>am I doing.

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<v Speaker 3>This very multiverse of madness? Ye black belt coded what mouth?

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<v Speaker 1>That's so good? Homelander is in his the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>his divinity speech. He's basically gone off teleprompter and he's

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<v Speaker 1>being like the most you know, vengeful, openly evil version

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<v Speaker 1>of a god telling people like I'm going to live

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<v Speaker 1>forever and the world is destroyed and his ashes, I

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<v Speaker 1>will be the god of the ashes, like fuck you all.

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<v Speaker 1>Butcher blows a hole in the Oval office and they

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<v Speaker 1>start fighting. It's a pretty even fight until Ryan arrives

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<v Speaker 1>and the two of them are grappling with Homelander as

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<v Speaker 1>Kimiko comes in and it seems like she's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to blast them with her deeppowering blast, but

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<v Speaker 1>she has a vision of Frenchy who's like, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and she does it. And now Butcher, Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>and Homelander are deep power free. Ryan honestly so good

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<v Speaker 1>for him. Ryan was, i think, is happy with this

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<v Speaker 1>that to happen. Homelander then begs For's life. It is pathetic,

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<v Speaker 1>it is it's.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like tel.

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<v Speaker 3>Is saying he will do anything like it's so bad,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's really it's exactly what cowards would do, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's also what men who look up to cowards don't

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<v Speaker 3>want cowards to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like it at this moment Homeland that loses everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that aspect of ritual humiliation was something I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think they were going to bring to it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I did think that was quite cathartic.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think this was still a long overdue death.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't necessarily know if it delivered, but I did

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<v Speaker 3>think that that I did. I like how both one

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<v Speaker 3>again and now this kind of us this idea of

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<v Speaker 3>like public humiliation from men who have tried to use

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<v Speaker 3>the media to kind of reshape the world in that

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<v Speaker 3>image is really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we get like an extended kind of cruise.

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<v Speaker 1>Towards the end, we see we see Stan Edgar announcing

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<v Speaker 1>he's returning to Vaught, and we see the kind of fallout.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley is president for like an hour is eventually like

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<v Speaker 1>and it just gets impeached, like impeached immediately by the

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<v Speaker 1>by the United Congress and Senate. After saying like I

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do. He's like, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't do anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the president now, and that like absolutely fucking doult bitch,

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<v Speaker 3>You'll get impeached Extreme vat vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>Butcher meanwhile has a vial of the soup killing virus

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<v Speaker 1>and slips away. While everybody's feeling like this whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>is over, he goes to Vaught, but hue notices and

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<v Speaker 1>meets him there, and then they have this conversation about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whether or not to drop the virus and

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<v Speaker 1>kill all the soup, kill every last soup. Butcher's like

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<v Speaker 1>waiting in Vought for like all the soups to come

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<v Speaker 1>in to work, and instead Huey shoots him and apologize

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<v Speaker 1>for doing it, and so the all the soups who

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<v Speaker 1>are currently alive get to continue being sous.

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<v Speaker 3>Which obviously he has to do because his girlfriend is

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<v Speaker 3>a soup.

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<v Speaker 2>Like obviously I have I'm eiger to.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about this and have Joelle call me a genocider

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<v Speaker 1>of all soups, but like, I'm I'm e going to talk,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm eager to talk about this. Then we get the epilogue.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Singer, president elect framed in season four, is president again.

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<v Speaker 1>Hughey and Annie are together. They go back to work

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<v Speaker 1>at like the radio shack type store, and Annie is

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant with Hughey's child.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope, Yeah, who is called Robin? Please tell me?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that the name of like? Is that the name

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<v Speaker 2>of his girlfriend who got killed in the first episode?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard no, God, Oh that's so weird. Okay, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but actually that's nice. That's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I take it back kind but it kind of is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's nice. I think that's nice.

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<v Speaker 3>This breach has just gone on like a superhero killing

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<v Speaker 3>like Nightmare Journey because of that woman's death. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, I'm gonna name a baby after so I

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<v Speaker 3>can always remember all the people I killed.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the mentality. I think it's nice. Mm reunites

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<v Speaker 1>with his family, Ryan joins.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Mm finally gets to get like engaged or

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<v Speaker 3>like Mary isiance. Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that he got a happy ending.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like probably the only person I was invested

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<v Speaker 3>in getting a happy ending.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really care about anyone else by the end.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that was a nice moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Unexpected kind of goes against what you expect from a

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<v Speaker 3>comic adaptation like this, So I did like that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimiko goes to Marshall Franchi's hometown where you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>two had talked about going there together, and she gets

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<v Speaker 1>the dog that they had been talking about getting. She

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<v Speaker 1>has her voice back and she seems happy, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Stan Edgar is the CEO of lot so let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a break, insane. No, let's take a break and be

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<v Speaker 1>back to talk about this episode in the season boys

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<v Speaker 1>in general. Yeah, and we're back. Okay, what do we think, Rosie,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we think?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was a this is my I was

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<v Speaker 3>I was walking this one and through my little walk

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, this is kind of this is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say that it was a it was a phenomena.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a men like, like, Okay, I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was fine. I think like I think it was it

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<v Speaker 2>did what he needed to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I think unfortunately, this season has felt to me a

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.840
<v Speaker 3>little bit like it's serviceable, and at times it's been

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<v Speaker 3>really great. But I think like this felt like a

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 3>serviceable finale. But like, I'm not gonna lie. When they

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<v Speaker 3>did the Butcher thing with him still having the virus,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh my god, they're gonna kill all

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.640
<v Speaker 3>the soups, And I thought that was an really crazy

0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 3>interesting route to go because also set up Hueiye, he

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<v Speaker 3>lost his love at the beginning, he loses his love

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<v Speaker 3>at the end, but now there's no soups.

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<v Speaker 2>Who does he hate next?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? I think like, also I didn't really care

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 3>about like him killing Butcher. That's like whatever to me,

0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, I just there was some moments, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>I really wanted Ryan to be the one who killed Homelander.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. There was just some some choices they made

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<v Speaker 3>that weren't the choices I was kind of hoping for,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think is really normal for any finale. Also

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<v Speaker 3>obviously huge gen Z head GENV head. Love my gen

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.959
<v Speaker 3>Z friends too, though, but the gen V stuff definitely

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.600
<v Speaker 3>impacted it for me. I thought they set up Marie

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:13.360
<v Speaker 3>so interestingly to be a player in this. I think

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 3>they could have at least had her be part of

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 3>the fight with Jordan, even if she isn't the one

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 3>who does it. I mean, it's hard not and this

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<v Speaker 3>is not a reflection on the creative team, because we

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<v Speaker 3>know that's not how shows are made all the time

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<v Speaker 3>like this, especially in this political climate, but like it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard not to feel a certain way when they set

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<v Speaker 3>up this young black woman who, by the way, we

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 3>all kind of were always theorizing that if they hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>been the tragic loss of chance who played Andre, it

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:46.239
<v Speaker 3>probably seemed like this was actually a storyline they were

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<v Speaker 3>doing for him for the third arc.

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<v Speaker 2>But after he passed away.

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 3>It seems like they switched it to Marie to set

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<v Speaker 3>up this young black woman who has this deeply complex,

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 3>almost villainous arc at the beginning and has this horrific power,

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 3>the most interesting powers that I think takes that boy's

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 3>grotesquerie to a place that a lot of male viewers

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.200
<v Speaker 3>didn't like, which is this idea of her being able

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 3>to control her blood but discovering it via her first period.

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 3>There's very grotesque to a lot of men, Like she

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:19.359
<v Speaker 3>just has such complexity, such interesting like breadth and depth,

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 3>and also has a really scary, gross power where she

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 3>can basically manipulate people as if they are blood bags. Right,

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.719
<v Speaker 3>So it fits into that violent framework of the boys.

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 3>It's hard not to see them basically nerving her and

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 3>then going to rising as some kind of optics decision

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<v Speaker 3>or like just disappointing in a show that has for

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<v Speaker 3>the most part been incredibly subversive.

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<v Speaker 2>It really has.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of give them grace on it, just because

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>like the show didn't do well enough to keep going.

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:54.719
<v Speaker 2>And at that point, if I ever believe that stuff,

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:55.400
<v Speaker 2>because it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I believe it, I think if they have it,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think if you have a hit, you keep going,

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and if the cost benefit analysis makes sense, then you

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>keep going. Not only that, but like you're talking about

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>like a young actors who are cheap. Now that's true

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<v Speaker 1>that five of the Boys season two of gen V

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<v Speaker 1>like you get them at a discount, and if and

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<v Speaker 1>if it made sense to do, they would have kept

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<v Speaker 1>doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is real.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think that's I do think that's true

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 3>to a point, like numbers wise, but also there are

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.639
<v Speaker 3>shows that we know do not have good numbers that

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 3>they have to keep making that cost tons of money,

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 3>like Rings of Power.

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 2>And I love Ring Different.

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying is, I think that when you are

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 3>a corporation and you do have deals like that where

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 3>you have to make these billion dollar shows, some shows

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 3>that maybe aren't like wouldn't have gotten canceled otherwise end

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:54.160
<v Speaker 3>up becoming cancelations. I think, like Amazon has so much

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 3>money that movies and TV can be a lost leader

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 3>for them, Like that is something they've always I don't.

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 1>Disagree that it is on some but it clearly just

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't hit. It just clearly didn't hit.

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't. I don't think they gave it the time.

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, I do think it's like anything.

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 3>It's also because it's been canceled, it's going to be

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 3>a really interesting time capsule into that space of like

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:19.679
<v Speaker 3>trying to do a spin off, trying to do a

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 3>youth focused thing, trying to do something that imagines something

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 3>new instead of leaning on nostalg I mean, but they're

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 3>going for the nostalgia idea with what rising instead is

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 3>a really interesting like conversation because it's all about supernatural, right, and.

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Well to continue. I think that so GENV didn't do

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>well enough and they had to cancel it, and I

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>think at that point you're kind of like locked in.

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I almost would prefer that they just didn't have any

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of the gen.

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>V people we do.

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 1>That's the way I think that that's the way they

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>should have gone.

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 3>If they'd have just gotten an email that was like

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 3>we're sending them to the Canadian border would have been better.

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think attempt to tie off that storyline of

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>a show you canceled made it it just we didn't

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>need that, they didn't need to show they didn't need

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>them at all, which just happened to me. Let them.

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 3>We'll imagine they're just fucking in a different universe, getting

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 3>into crazy trouble, going to house parties. We don't need

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 3>to see them, but that's why it feels more like

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 3>a nerfing to me.

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I also, what do you think about speaking

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 2>of that kind of thing.

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Of like the issues of other shows and expanding that

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Boys universe. How do you feel like the finale dealt

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 3>with the vote rising stuff? Because I actually did feel

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 3>like they did a good job pulling it back from

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 3>feeling as much like a setup though obviously, you know,

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 3>I just thought that has been one of the big critiques,

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 3>and I did feel here that they were actually doing

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 3>a bit more to just wrap shit up and and

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 3>like try and do as much set up, because it

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 3>did start to feel like some of the setup stuff

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 3>was overwhelming the actual like plotline of this season.

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>For me, I didn't I didn't love it. I don't

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>love the vot rising. I don't love vot rising as

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>an idea in general. But I understand why they're going

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to do it, because these are the characters that have

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>been established through the Boys and who pop and then

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to have Soldier Boy back in an on

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>running series is I think too much for them and.

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Also down My understanding is they will have you know,

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 3>obviously we got that big episode with you know, the

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 3>guy who plays Castile and the guy who plays the

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 3>other Supernatural brother, Jared, so they are going to be

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 3>in the show too. So I think this idea of

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Cripkey being able to do this three right reunion for Supernatural,

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 3>it's like a really big deal.

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 2>It's very interesting to me.

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Supernatural has a very heavy gay fandom, and I think

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot of like the nostalgia and love for the

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 3>show is about Dean and castiell or as they were called,

0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 3>destil an.

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Insane time in fandom. But I'm very interested to see how.

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Cripkey is going to subvert our expectations because I just

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 3>do not think this is a man.

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I interviewed Kripkey. You can read it on the Hollywood

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Reporter before the show came out.

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 3>I reached out to my editor and I was like, Hey,

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 3>I want to interview him and ask, how the fuck

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 3>do you adapt the Boys? Because this comic is actually

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 3>horrific and it sucks, and if you read it, so

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 3>much of the worst stuff is played for laughs. It's like,

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 3>this very horrendous and I specifically want to talk to

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 3>him about the starlight stuff in season episode one and

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 3>in issue one where she gets you know, gang raped

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 3>and it's played for laughs and that's how she gets

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 3>into the boys, right. I was so astounded by how

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 3>open and chill Kripkey was. And they actually put together

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 3>an entire room of women who were working on the

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 3>show from different spaces and different departments and shit to

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 3>talk about how to adapt it.

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>And that was how they kind of came.

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 3>To this space where it was more of a of

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 3>a conversation around me too, and like this idea about

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 3>coercion and.

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Obviously less explicit and not shown in the same way.

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that guy is at this time gonna

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 3>just like make a show about Nazis and be like,

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 3>here's how Nazis. You know, even though it feels bad

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 3>that that is the show that's getting made, I know

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna do something to subvert it. I just need

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 3>to know what it is, because right now I don't

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 3>feel like that is the legacy that this show needs

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 3>to have. But I'm hoping that there is gonna be

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.239
<v Speaker 3>a different layer to it, and really it's about like

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 3>the resistance.

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 2>But I will say, I don't know if I've told

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 2>this story on the podcast before, but I think about

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>it a lot.

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 3>When The Boys' season three, I believe came out when

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 3>with Stormfront might have been season two, but the Stormfront

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 3>season basically it was incredible, right, And obviously, if you

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 3>know about neo Nazi online culture, you know whose Stormfront

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 3>is gonna be. You know why she's named that. But

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 3>the show did this incredible job. I think it was

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 3>the second or third episode where they did a whole

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 3>like promotion of Stormfront as if she was this like

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 3>powerful boss, girl boss blah blah blah, right, And I

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 3>wrote an article for it, a nerdice called Girls Get

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Things Done like this kind of white supremacist feminism takedown

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 3>and why it was so good, And like two weeks later,

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Amazon decided to start promoting the show via like girl

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 3>bossy type merchandise and a girl Boss themed episode where you.

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Could interview all the girls and they.

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Were gonna, I still have like a Girl's get It

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 3>done like fucking mug. They completely misunderstood why it was

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 3>good and decided to promote it the same way the

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 3>show was promoting the heroes. It was really confusing branding

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 3>and also to me was something like representative of something

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 3>you talk about, Jason, which is like, when you are

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 3>satirizing the thing and you become the thing you are satirizing,

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 3>whether that's scream, whether that's this, it becomes very hard

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 3>to stay on top of the culture. And obviously we

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 3>are in an accelerationist this is time now where stuff's

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 3>happening faster than ever, so even harder to keep up with.

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>This is my concern with with Vought Rising is you know,

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and people will say, oh, but like, yes, they're white

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>supremacists characters in the show, but like you know, this

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>person and that person or Jewish or this person and

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>that person aren't you know, very against that kind of thing,

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>and they're involved in the production. I get it, but like.

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Why is that show?

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I still I still feel like that doesn't mean that

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean that it's going to be good and

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>that you're not platforming white supremacist white supremacist TV.

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Ideologies as well. Yeah, I agree.

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.239
<v Speaker 3>I also want to say it reminds me kind of

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, if I wrote this article about

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 3>The Punisher. We obviously didn't like it very much, but

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 3>that was a point that we'd spoken about. But one

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 3>of the parts that really spoke to people in the article.

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 3>It is on my newsletter, Tinfoil Hat ghost Io. You

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 3>guys can subscribe now. It's free for everyone to read

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 3>the articles, but you can pay if you want to

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 3>support me. But like one of the pieces that really

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 3>stuck out to people, that made people understand why this

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 3>show was dangerous, I put the hate Bread song and

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, look, guys, Jamie Jasta has thrown Nazis

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 3>out of his shows in the last few years.

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm proud of him.

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.720
<v Speaker 3>But listen to this fucking song and imagine Frank Castle

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:23.959
<v Speaker 3>shooting a ton of people in the head, including people

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 3>of color, and tell me that it was not made

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 3>for the worst fucking places of the Internet. And I

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 3>just don't think that it's responsible. I'm not telling you

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 3>don't make it. I'm not telling you sense to yourself.

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, be a fucking responsible adult. And I do

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 3>think you're right. I think that it's the same with

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 3>that Girl's get this shit done Stormfront. Stuff like it

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 3>can be read the wrong way, even by the companies. Wellstand.

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the part of the issue is that like

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 1>adults will get this subtext or adults that like are

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>are sensible, are sensible and well read enough about, you know,

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>issues in the shape the world, you will not like

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Younger viewers won't realize. I just think it's I just

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.720
<v Speaker 1>think it's it's think about responsible, but it but it

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>it towes that line where you essentially are platforming white supremacist,

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Nazi adjacent Nazi created characters, and while you are satirizing them. True,

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the level of satiricalness is going to be lost on

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a portion of the audience who are going to think

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 1>these people are cool. I don't know.

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 2>I find it.

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I find it weird. And my other thing is that

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>I I think Butcher should I think Butcher should have

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 1>been allowed to kill them all.

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I actually agree in this.

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:52.240
<v Speaker 1>I just think that Hughie is being is clearly doing

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>what he did because of his attachment to Starlighter.

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, now I wish because.

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:01.919
<v Speaker 1>That's why, and I do wish they would have that's

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a cool choice too, but I wish they would have paid.

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.280
<v Speaker 1>I wish that they would have played that more for

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the complexity of it and less as oh Annie and

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:18.959
<v Speaker 1>Hue are together. Because Butcher's right, they've given all they've

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 1>done is by time a new Homelander will come, the

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 1>soups will at some point be like, Okay, let's do

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>it smarter this time, Like why are we There's no

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>way to control them. You know, they had taken over

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the entire country in the world and and did multiple

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>war crimes, and now you're just kind of like, Okay,

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>that I guess because Homelander is dead, Like that threat

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 1>has passed, there's still like multiple very powerful mind reading,

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 1>mind control, super strength, a nuclear chest bomb soups like alive,

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>who are direct threats to things that have been going

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 1>going on. Okay, let's take a quick break and we'll

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 1>be back to talk about this episode.

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I also think just narrowed, like because I do

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.399
<v Speaker 3>think like you make a good argument within the universe, right,

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.320
<v Speaker 3>I do think I will say, you know, we know

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Joel would be here screaming genocide. She's not also ethically wrong.

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 3>I want to talk on a narrative standpoint. This is

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 3>a fucked up, weird show, right, that's always meant to

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 3>be doing stuff that shocks us. Hue is plea for

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 3>humanity here does not sell. I would have loved the

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 3>more complex, like I love her. I love Starlight, don't

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 3>you love her? Like that kind of thing I think

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 3>would have sold it more. But also, like, think about

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 3>an episode, think about how much this finale would have

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 3>banged right and how much everyone would have forgotten all

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 3>their problems if Butcher had basically been like to Hui,

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:59.240
<v Speaker 3>like this is why we met, Like this was your purpose,

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 3>this is our purpose. And they do some fucking fight

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.479
<v Speaker 3>club ass ship where they just fucking pour it into

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.359
<v Speaker 3>the water and Chewy breaks down and he knows it's

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 3>terrible and he knows his fucking wife's gonna die, but

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 3>he also knows that was always his mission. Like and

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 3>that is a bleak, complicated ending, Like I don't want

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 3>q to have a happy ending. What about the whole

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 3>arc where he was a toxic masculinity piece of shit?

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Wait? Would Qui maybe die because he was?

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 3>He was He had V for a while, he was addicted,

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know. Maybe that's why I don't know,

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he got it burned out of him. I don't remember,

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 3>but it was I felt like the happy ending of

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 3>it all felt very contrived for.

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>The boy, considering everything that we had seen. It's crazy

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:46.280
<v Speaker 1>to let V powered people continue to be a threat

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to this world unless and this is where I'm like,

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess I would have liked to see

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 1>in that epilogue. And I really enjoyed the season. I

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 1>thought it was.

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought, I think it was kind of a return

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 2>to form for the Yeah.

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Because it picked up on all the stuff from like

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>season two and mid season three that was like really

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:08.479
<v Speaker 1>the stuff you cared about. But I I I thought

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 1>the epilogue needed something where the new government and the

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>president is like, Okay, soups, here's your choice. You can

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>either like wear some sort of bracelet or something that

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 1>allows the government to license you basically and control like

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. You can't just like go off and

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>like form your own like kick Creator set and like

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>terrorized neighborhoods like Willy Nilly anymore. Like you're gonna have

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to like actually do stuff with the law. So like, yeah,

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I think so, like what so your choice is either

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>we can have you under control one. Two you can

0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>be depowered. Will you can choose to like be like

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't want this anymore of this life, I'll be

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>completely depowered, or three we drive like if if even

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:13.919
<v Speaker 1>one soup said just tries to avoid the choice of

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>one or two, we drop the virus and we kill

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 1>you all. I think that that had to be give

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 1>them the choice.

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 3>If Marie had actually killed Homeland of publicly by bursting

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 3>his blood, it would have also been very easy to

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:32.439
<v Speaker 3>imply like it heyd impose some kind of fear shit

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 3>as well, like yeah, there's his his superhero Jesus, who's

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.479
<v Speaker 3>not gonna kill you, who's young, who's you know woke?

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.280
<v Speaker 3>All that stuff they played into, but also just fucking

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 3>blew up a god on TV with blood, so hey, everyone,

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 3>best you know behave.

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I also like your idea of like the depowering rate.

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 3>Obviously that would become something that would be monetized, but

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 3>even if it couldn't be, they would have Camiko chained

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:57.320
<v Speaker 3>up depowering soups already.

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 2>That's like the age of X stuff.

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 3>I think that Mike carry did where Scott Cyclops is

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 3>just like he has the advisor and they pull it

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 3>up so they make him execute mutants every time, like

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:11.800
<v Speaker 3>when he's having a tough like he's being like tortured

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 3>by our cane. I love that idea of kind of

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 3>like it's almost like they forgot the world they were

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 3>in for a moment.

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's kind of how it feels at the end.

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>To me. The issue is it's the same issue with

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the with the gen V stuff. I think it's they

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 1>need to serve the fact that one they want to

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>keep it open ended, right, you can't kill the soups,

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>because what if we do want to come back to

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>The Boys as like a follow on sequel series and

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe we bring you know, who knows, maybe we bring

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Marie back into it and build another Boys series with

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>you know whoever's left standing of Soldier Boy and the rest.

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>They want to they definitely want to keep that open.

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 1>They don't want to have a world in which they

0:41:56.880 --> 0:42:00.879
<v Speaker 1>don't do soup shows anymore or only prequels. And two,

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, all the all the serving the prequel Vault

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Rising stuff. I think that was again that was the

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>weakest parts of the final season for me, was both

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>the kind of Hamhnded like execution of tying off the

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 1>gen V stuff, which again didn't need to be there,

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and the overly like Vaught Rising tie in stuff that

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 1>you just were like, oh, this is a tie in

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.360
<v Speaker 1>of Vault Rising because we actually don't need this that much. Yeah,

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think that is to me, those are the weaknesses.

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Is it's like ip ip itis.

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 3>That's definitely what it is, right, IPI tis. That's such

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 3>a good way of saying.

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 2>It also hilarious to say fon foss No. I totally agree.

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 3>I think this as we've said, how many of these

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 3>problems I love Genba. I'm glad the two seasons we

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:57.400
<v Speaker 3>go exist, but how many problems that we're talking about

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 3>with this series and the seasons come from that expansion

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 3>when it was its peak and they were like, now

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna do this, spinoff, Now we're gonna do this.

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>We had the Boys anime at spinoff.

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 3>We haven't even talked about that, right, like right these

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 3>they were pushing and pushing to expand, and now they're

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 3>trying to contract. And I think, sadly we are losing

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 3>a project that I think was way more interesting than

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.439
<v Speaker 3>the core show at its heart, like and we know that,

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 3>we know that. I love GENV but like, I just

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 3>think it's a shame to see what gets kept when

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 3>things contract and expand. But like I said, if what

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:30.959
<v Speaker 3>rising's a secret Marie Moreau time traveling killing Nazi show,

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 3>then maybe Eric Crypti, I'll forgive you.

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Overall your thoughts on The Boys, the entire series.

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh, basically, I would say the biggest takeaway, And I

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 3>know I sound like a broken record with this guy's

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I do think it is an astonishing feat of adaptation.

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Whatever the inconsistencies are, this is proof that you can

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 3>take a project that is essentially unadaptable because it is

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 3>so offensive and purposefully like Ennis was doing that on purpose.

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this book was originally published by DC and

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 3>they had to drop it because it was so offensive

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.719
<v Speaker 3>and they had to you know, publish it elsewhere. So

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 3>like to take something like that that I assume is

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 3>probably toxic and nuclear if somebody ever actually looks at

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 3>the comic before you do the pitch, and to turn

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 3>it into something so thoughtful and subversive, it's pretty incredible.

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 3>I will say, Jason, something that you spoke about with

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 3>vaut Rising that I think this show failed that sadly,

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:30.399
<v Speaker 3>and it's not really its own fault. It's more about

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 3>failure of critical media literacy. But I mean people are

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 3>still online talking about how their surprised Homelander is the villain,

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 3>like you know, right wing people or whatever, like they're stupid.

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:42.840
<v Speaker 3>But then again, it's like, if you know that's a

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 3>majority of your audience, why do you make vort rising

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 3>because you know they're gonna think the same shit, like, oh, well,

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 3>we're watching the show. They are the protagonists, you know.

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 3>So I think those are some of its failings. But

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 3>I do think that it was also a victim in

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 3>the last couple of seasons of what we've talked about

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 3>a lot in the show, which is the world ipis

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.919
<v Speaker 3>and also the world catching up with the show. Yeah,

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.319
<v Speaker 3>crypt did not know that the real president of the

0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 3>real United States of America in the real world was

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 3>gonna make a golden statue of himself the same week

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.360
<v Speaker 3>that Homelander revealed the golden statue of himself.

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Like, it's very distressing.

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>It's very distressing.

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 3>It also makes the show less enjoyable to watch as

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 3>a dystopian fantasy because it's actually a reality. And I

0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 3>also think that you lose some of the sharpness of

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 3>the satire. And as Krypkey said from the beginning, he

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 3>had actually come out before the season came out and said,

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how it's gonna land because some of

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 3>the stuff on the show is not as bad as

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 3>what's happening in real life, and I do think he

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 3>was a.

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Victim of that.

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 3>But generally, I will always celebrate the show as proof

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 3>that you can adapt something and you can elevate it,

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 3>and you can also do it in a way that

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 3>still appeals to the original audience, which is fucking crazy.

0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 3>I think that is my biggest takeaway and the show's

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 3>biggest SaaS.

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I echo that, I think that the show. I think

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>seasons one and two are incredible.

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I think two is like.

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Nine to ten, like nine out of ten to ten

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 1>out of ten stuff, And I agree with you. Season

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>two with Stormfront was when it was at its The

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 1>show was at its most sharp, and the characters were

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>at its their most vibrant, and you didn't feel like Homelander.

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Was being shown.

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 1>It was really good, and it still felt like there

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 1>was some juice in the Homelander as antagonist where they

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 1>weren't just keeping him alive. I think, to a large degree,

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I think the show, whatever flaws it has, it's because

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>it became a victim of its own success. It didn't

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>agree it. It should have been more ruthless. It should

0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>have been, and I understand that it is adapting. You know,

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the comic book was the same thing. It was like,

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, the story as it became kind of successful

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>for the size of story it was, you know, it

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 1>got padded out, and I thought that there was a

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 1>there's a more ruthless story to be told. That's actually

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 1>that's better. And the fact that like so few of

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>our core boys characters died until like the very end

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:29.440
<v Speaker 1>is to me like a reflection of that, like we

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 1>should have lost more people sooner, and they let Homelander

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>live for too long.

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I agraize that that.

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>The first two first two seasons are incredible, and I

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:44.040
<v Speaker 1>thought Joelle didn't didn't love the Oval Office Fight. I

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.480
<v Speaker 1>love the Oval Office Fight. And I thought for for

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 1>like real superhero fights with powers that that are depicted

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>in a cool way on TV, it doesn't it really

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>does not get better than this, Like fights are amazing.

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 3>I do think as well, like you said, the prom

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 3>with it being like the victim of its own success

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.320
<v Speaker 3>is also definitely an issue.

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Again, like we've been.

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Talking about with other projects, whether it's you know, Mandlarin

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.240
<v Speaker 3>and Grogu, I think we may have another similar conversation

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.960
<v Speaker 3>coming up with some upcoming releases too, about TV and

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 3>movie quality.

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 2>This did start.

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 3>Out performing the MCU when it came to inventive Action.

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Inventive Superhero absolutely did.

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 3>So, then how do you satirize something that you are

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 3>now punching down on? Essentially, obviously they're not really punching down,

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 3>but it is Amazon punching down at Disney, It's it's

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:40.439
<v Speaker 3>corporations punching down at each other. It's and I think

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.759
<v Speaker 3>that that becomes part of the problem too, is like,

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:46.239
<v Speaker 3>then the MCU went through, as these things do, guys,

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 3>We've been telling you this for years, ebbs and flows, right,

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 3>this is like the Zeros, the mid Zeros, the late

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Zeros like it. It has Marvel sort of ebbed and

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 3>flowed into this space where they weren't as on point

0:48:57.360 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 3>in phase five going into the new era that hopefully

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:01.359
<v Speaker 3>is going.

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:01.919
<v Speaker 2>To be X Men.

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 3>Then the Boys is like, what are you even satirizing

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:08.959
<v Speaker 3>because they're not doing like the Seven, They're not doing

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Justice League parodies anymore because those are kind.

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Of already outdated.

0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 3>So then they also lose the target and it becomes

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.399
<v Speaker 3>much more political, much more real life, and much more

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 3>about less about the trappings of superhero entertainment, which I

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:25.360
<v Speaker 3>think is also why it loses a little bit of

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 3>that like yeah, freshness.

0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 2>But it's also again that's that's not their that's not

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:30.439
<v Speaker 2>their fault.

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.600
<v Speaker 3>That's a situational issue because that is about how the

0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 3>blockbuster landscape changed. About COVID. I mean, also, this is

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:38.760
<v Speaker 3>a show that survived COVID.

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 1>That's true.

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty crazy.

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.319
<v Speaker 1>It's true. I will miss The Boys, I I you know,

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 1>for as much as I shit on it when it

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 1>was bad. When it was good, it was it was

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 1>great and like nothing else, you know, I think now

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<v Speaker 1>there is you know, we'll see what happens with Rising,

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<v Speaker 1>which I feel like will be necessarily a different tone

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.759
<v Speaker 1>of show somehow. You know, we're talking about set in

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<v Speaker 1>a different world, a different era of the world. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see how that goes. But I think we're missing that,

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<v Speaker 1>like satirizing superheroes.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, And what does that? What does that look

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<v Speaker 3>like in Rising? Like are we satirizing?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I'll tell you this, this is my pitch that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm suddenly seeing that could be interesting if you wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to continue a satirical look at The Boys, you could

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<v Speaker 3>look at how in the forties the thirties and forties,

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<v Speaker 3>the rise of superhero comic books was really directly tied

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<v Speaker 3>to anti Nazi propaganda and trying to create these like

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<v Speaker 3>patriotic figures like Captain America punching Hitler and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>There is gonna be an interesting way that they could

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<v Speaker 3>explore like superheroes and iconography as white supremacist propaganda or

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<v Speaker 3>as American propaganda. I would be very interested to see that,

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<v Speaker 3>but obviously very complicated because the American side of that

0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 3>comics history is very Jewish and was actively anti fascist,

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<v Speaker 3>so it feels strange to do that through the lens

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<v Speaker 3>of vot riising. But I'm interested to see where they

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<v Speaker 3>go because that I just I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just still don't get it, and I just think

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<v Speaker 3>it's I just think it's gonna have to be like

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<v Speaker 3>a Watchman level like surprise for it to do something

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't feel like it shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be hard to do, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be hard to do for the reasons that sequels

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<v Speaker 1>are structurally more difficult, because, like you know how it

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<v Speaker 1>ends to a certain degree, like I understand that Soldier

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<v Speaker 1>Boy will not die at any point during vault Riising.

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I understand that Stormfront will not die at any point.

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<v Speaker 2>Right because we know because we know where it's going.

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I understand that bomb Site will not die at any

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>port point during vault Riising. So it's like, how do

0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you how do you solve for that? I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a good way to solve for that other

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:57.279
<v Speaker 1>than to find some other essential story. And Watchman is

0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>a great comp But what Watchmen did is basically make

0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 1>the most important parts of the emotional core of the

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 1>story start in the prequel and end in the modern

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.319
<v Speaker 1>part of the story. Right, How interesting is that? And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they can and they can't do that

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<v Speaker 1>with with volt Riising. So we'll see. I'm I'm I

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.799
<v Speaker 1>will watch, of course, but I am concerned about I

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.880
<v Speaker 1>have my concerns about vaut Riising. One on it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from the very basic level of it not being that

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<v Speaker 1>good and being you know, just a harder degree of

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:35.480
<v Speaker 1>difficulty to make good. And two the risk of it

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>not being as good as sharp, as thoughtful. You know,

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy to be like yeah, show in which like

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 1>a guy rocks, you know, it was a thoughtful show

0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:52.080
<v Speaker 1>about the terrible things that it was depicting, and to

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 1>try to be as thoughtful as it could be. So

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<v Speaker 1>I do worry about I worry about Vought from that, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I guess I didn't know that they're going for

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 3>the class Me and Jay said are big proponents of this.

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 2>They did Redell season one, they did it in True

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Blood season one. It's a classic genre trope.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's gonna be a murder mystery about the

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 3>origins of Vought in the fifties, So maybe it's gonna

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 3>be revealed about, like I know, human testing, but all

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.080
<v Speaker 3>that shit we know, Like I just I just don't

0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:19.319
<v Speaker 3>see a way to make it valuable though, I say.

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.040
<v Speaker 3>I guess I forgot that they're doing a spin off

0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:24.920
<v Speaker 3>The Boys Mexico, and that's like a real thing that

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 3>is actually still happening.

0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.240
<v Speaker 2>So I suppose they're trying to both sides us like Disney.

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 2>That's how I feel right now. I feel like I'm

0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 2>getting both sides at all times.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, like, if either DC or Marvel wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to enter like the partying Superheroes space, I think that

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:47.280
<v Speaker 1>there's like this is not your favorite creator, but superior

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>foes of Spider Man, for instance, as a way like,

0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, if you take like smaller scale villains, I

0:53:55.920 --> 0:54:03.719
<v Speaker 1>think you're right, or like Avengers right and make right.

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a great way to satirize superheroes. You know,

0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously it would not have the kind of cutting edge

0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and the gross out factor of the Boys, but I

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:18.319
<v Speaker 1>still think that it's a that kind of satirical take.

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:24.279
<v Speaker 1>The critical take on the superhero dynamic is necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually because look, and again I was going to say,

0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:29.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm about to bring up another book by a guy

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:32.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't love, but like the authority, right, That's why

0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:37.320
<v Speaker 3>the authority great sight, But about the notion of James

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:39.799
<v Speaker 3>guns DC, because they were like, wait, this man's going

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 3>to adapt shit that's never been done before. I mean,

0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:45.480
<v Speaker 3>he's going to adapt stuff that could be violent, that

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:47.840
<v Speaker 3>could be crazy. I mean, we are getting that rated

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Clayface movie. I think if that hits, maybe we will

0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 3>be in this space where these companies can start satirizing themselves.

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 3>And that's actually the best stuff they do. Look at

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.200
<v Speaker 3>how great Wonder Man was. It's because it was and

0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:04.240
<v Speaker 3>knowing satire, a studio type satire of the Hollywood industry.

0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:07.359
<v Speaker 3>Of the MCU, of the way that Superhero contracts are,

0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:10.080
<v Speaker 3>of the way that crew is treated on set, like

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 3>it was so interesting and specific.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there is a space.

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<v Speaker 3>Now obviously there's gonna be a certain suspension of disbelief,

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 3>but everything we enjoy is own by five people, now, guys,

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.640
<v Speaker 3>so get with it, Like there's gonna be a suspension

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 3>of disbelief. All Disney satirizing Disney, but hey, and was

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.879
<v Speaker 3>one of the greatest anti fascist shows of all time,

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:30.520
<v Speaker 3>and it was made by Disney, like we take what.

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:31.440
<v Speaker 2>We can get, you know.

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:35.200
<v Speaker 3>And I think that there is a space where whoever

0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:38.319
<v Speaker 3>gets to that first Jason and does some kind of.

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Like niche creating its own.

0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:44.320
<v Speaker 3>World, but with a little bit more of that bite,

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more of that kind of satirical edge,

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more of that edge lordiness, honestly, like

0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:51.840
<v Speaker 3>it's not there's good versions of being an edgeload and

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 3>bad versions of it, and sometimes it hits. And The

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 3>Boys is an edgelord fucking show, and they managed to

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:58.360
<v Speaker 3>do it in a way that wasn't horrific. And I

0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:02.360
<v Speaker 3>think that Disney, and you know, Disney just made punishing

0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.520
<v Speaker 3>one last kill they're not afraid to put some violent

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.320
<v Speaker 3>ass shit on there. So now give me the R

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 3>rated Daughters of the Dragon where they go around and

0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 3>fuck up like creepy rapists in their neighborhood or whatever.

0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 3>Like if we can do it for Frank Castle and

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:20.200
<v Speaker 3>his you know PTSD treatment of just shooting one hundred people,

0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:21.760
<v Speaker 3>then I think we can do it for other people.

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<v Speaker 2>So I actually love that, Paul Jason.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is a little place where they could

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 3>get an unexpected boost while the Boys is off.

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<v Speaker 2>Between these shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next episodes of X ray Vision, we're diving into

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<v Speaker 1>the Marendalorian and grogu plus news. That's it for this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening. X ray Vision is hosted by Jason

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