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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it is Between the Truth Rantine and you

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Speaker 1: are listening Eyes up here with Driantine on iHeartRadio or

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Speaker 1: wherever you get the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Today, as every day, I am enjoyed by vices. Hello,

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Speaker 2: Chad Spur, how are you?

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Speaker 3: What's up? Queen of Extreme.

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to be back with you once again inside

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Speaker 4: the Kingdom of Extreme.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, nice a little it's a nice.

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Speaker 4: Little ring to it hides up here studio, Kingdom of Extreme.

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Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? You know what?

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Speaker 2: They are all the same to me. We're recording today

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Speaker 2: and I came up with a brilliant idea for an

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Speaker 2: episode or two. We're gonna see how far we can get.

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Speaker 2: It's probably going to be a two parter, just to

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Speaker 2: let you guys know, but Vince McMahon has been in

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Speaker 2: the news a lot recently, and you guys seem to

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Speaker 2: like when we talk about Vince and we talk about scandal.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to put the two together, and they're

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Speaker 2: no strangers to each other really, but we went down

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Speaker 2: the rabbit hole on this episode and we are going

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Speaker 2: to talk about some of the allegations against Vince McMahon

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Speaker 4: That there's plenty of them, so this will not be

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Speaker 4: a part of your eventual WWE Hall of Fame speech.

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Speaker 2: My speech isn't getting cut shorter and shorter every broadcast,

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Speaker 2: but I do, and I'm okay with that because you know,

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Speaker 2: I hold new punches. I speak my truth and I

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Speaker 2: tell it how I feel, you know, And that's just me.

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Speaker 2: That's what makes me me. Stuff you don't like it,

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Speaker 2: get the hell out of here.

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Speaker 3: That's nice, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's a pretty extensive history, yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: But whether you started watching wrestling in the seventies, the

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Speaker 4: eighties and nineties to two thousands, the twenty tens, or

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Speaker 4: the twenty twenties, Vince McMahon was always a constant. But

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Speaker 4: you always heard stuff about Vince throughout that time, no

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Speaker 4: matter when you started watching, because of his constant presence.

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Speaker 4: There's always been stuff about Vince period. But when you

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Speaker 4: dig deep and you find out more and more and

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Speaker 4: more and more, some people really opened your eyes, but

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Speaker 4: for others it just gives you extra detail.

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Speaker 2: If you're a casual wrestling fan and you just happen

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Speaker 2: to turn on TV and you see you know, WWFWWE

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Speaker 2: And back then, I mean, the the Internet was out,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't like social media and all this stuff

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Speaker 2: to find dirt out unless you know, you read the sheets,

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Speaker 2: which you know how I feel about the sheets. They're

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Speaker 2: not my best friend. But it's funny how the name

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Speaker 2: Vince McMahon just seems to be a magnet to scandals.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna go on the record right now and

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Speaker 2: say everything that we're going to talk about is allegedly

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Speaker 2: true or allegedly out. It's out there, it's been reported on.

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Speaker 2: We're not the first to break the news. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're going back the first story we have his nineteen,

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Speaker 2: so we're going back years and years and years.

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Speaker 4: So even before that one is from eighty six, but

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Speaker 2: Two, ninety two, right right, But I'm just saying when

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Speaker 2: it came to light. But you know, we're this isn't

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Speaker 2: breaking news. We're just giving our opinion on things that

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Speaker 2: we found while dagging for dirt, because that's the kind

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Speaker 2: of reporters we are, and we're going to comment on them,

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Speaker 2: and you know, whether they're true or not, I don't know. Again,

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Speaker 2: I always say this, I was not there. I'm not

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Speaker 2: prepvy to insider information. The opinions that Chad and I

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Speaker 2: that in mind. And Vince, if you're listening, just commenting

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Speaker 2: on what others are saying, that's all.

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Speaker 3: That's you know what.

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Speaker 4: That's a great little, you know, choice of words there

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Speaker 4: at the end, because we've all heard the Vince has

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Speaker 4: people listening. Back when Vince was in power, I've been

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Speaker 4: I've been a victim of it many times in my

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Speaker 4: podcasting career of being on the receiving end of Vince

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Speaker 4: pric Man's not happy with things that you had on

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Speaker 4: your podcast. But I wonder if that's still the case.

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Speaker 4: Does Vince still have people? Does Vince still have a

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Speaker 4: team of people kind of sifting through the loads and

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Speaker 4: loads of podcasts talking about him now because it's outside

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Speaker 4: the wrestling world, it's no longer just our little bubble

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Speaker 4: a great Did you ever think about that, Like, does

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes, But how many people have commented

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Speaker 2: on the stories. It would take years to go through

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Speaker 2: every single podcast, YouTube, video, news article, I mean every

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Speaker 2: I mean. Vince McMahon is probably the biggest name that

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Speaker 2: he's done it all in the business. You can't take

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Speaker 2: away what he's done for wrestling. Okay, let me just

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Speaker 2: make that clear. He is a juggernaut in this sport.

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for Vince McMahon, a lot of these

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Speaker 2: He's a legend. He's brilliant. I'll put him over for that.

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Speaker 2: Behind the scenes is you know from everything that we've read,

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Speaker 2: it's a completely different story, different person. Now. Some people

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Speaker 2: have said he lives his character twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 2: You know, you live the gimmick, is what we like

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Speaker 2: to say. In the world of professional wrestling. Some people

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Speaker 2: can't differentiate your character from your real life person. People

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Speaker 2: have told me that Vince McMahon is Vince McMahon twenty

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Speaker 2: four to seven. I didn't know him well enough to

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Speaker 2: see if there was a difference, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: never worked with him in the ring, So I don't know,

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Speaker 2: just going off by what the boys tell me. And

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Speaker 2: I'd say about ninety percent of the population that I've

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Speaker 2: is on twenty four to seven, which you know, to me,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of like that's that? Is that a power trip?

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Speaker 2: Is that an ego thing?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but when you use your fame and

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Speaker 2: to comment on it. And so your question, do I

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Speaker 2: think there's people out there? I know WWE has people

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Speaker 2: do these you know, do they go to hunter? Like

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Speaker 2: is there a specific person specifically, like is that their

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Speaker 2: my god, their head would explode. Everybody was talking about

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Speaker 2: Vince McMahon a month ago. Everybody knew Janelle Grant's name.

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Speaker 2: It's inevitable. How could you not if you are a

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Speaker 2: reporter in the world of professional wrestling, how could you

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Speaker 2: not talk about it? Right? So, do I think there's stooges? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do. Maybe Vince is now that he has more

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Speaker 2: time on his hands, Maybe he's the one rolling through

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Speaker 2: everything writing notes down, you know. Maybe he has a

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Speaker 2: voodoo doll with a pig you he's.

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Speaker 4: Like, I remember her, God, damn it, I remember her.

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Speaker 4: She was from that extremely crappy wrestling.

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Speaker 2: You have so much power in this game. You have people,

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Speaker 2: and he probably still has people out there, you know,

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Speaker 2: but to pinpoint a specific person for what they said,

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Speaker 2: My god, you know, there's a million people out there commenting.

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Speaker 2: It's going to take him until he's one hundred years

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Speaker 2: old to go through everything, to listen to every single podcast,

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Speaker 2: read every single art.

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Speaker 4: Come on, Yeah, no, I agree with that, right, But

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Speaker 4: I just wondered if he did still have somebody or

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Speaker 4: to say, hey, Vince, this is what so and so.

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Speaker 3: Because I will say this, you know, I thought at

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Speaker 3: first it was only going.

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Speaker 4: To be a matter of time before the floodgates open,

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Speaker 4: and then you'd hear ex superstar comments on vincick Man

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Speaker 4: But I have to say it wasn't as extensive a

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Speaker 4: a good number of people, but I still think people

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Speaker 4: they still think there's that chance that you never know,

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Speaker 4: he might be back in power and I might need

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Speaker 4: to be brought back for you know something. At some point,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some kind of team. But again, like

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what Vince is doing these days.

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Speaker 2: So is it just to know who hates them, who

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Speaker 2: knowing who said what? Anymore? If you're not involved in

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Speaker 3: True?

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Speaker 4: And he's good with the phone. We know that he

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Speaker 4: likes to use his phone, so he text messages ass

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Speaker 4: If he's on his phone, click that subscribe button. Vince

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Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio. We would love to have you, and you

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Speaker 4: know my email is available if you'd like to come

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Speaker 4: on and defend yourself at some.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sure, I'm sure your phone will.

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Speaker 4: Be just one more thing before we get into our list.

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Speaker 4: Do you think and this is just a just a

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Speaker 4: and the board of directors now and who's in charge

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Speaker 4: at WWE, do you think they're looking at who's commenting

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Speaker 2: No one knows how you get that call, how you

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, well said.

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Speaker 4: Look, there's no perfect way to put that, and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no one knows, but I regardless, I hope they

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Speaker 4: What absolutely, and it was because it was in the past,

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Speaker 2: It's in the past, but you know, I'm sure it

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Speaker 4: All right, moving on to this guy. Hang on, I

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Speaker 2: Ninety percent of talent hears those words. But actually it's

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Speaker 2: Vince McMahon. The year is nineteen ninety two, and he

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Speaker 3: It was a little bit of everything. It was about I.

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Speaker 2: Started with some uh steroid abuse. Uh. They say the

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Speaker 2: head of wrestling operations, Terry Garvin, who was Pat Patterson's

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so allegedly Patterson and Garvin had a casting couch

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable that. Like I I knew of Pat Patterson being

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Speaker 3: Card, and it is where down, down, down the card.

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Speaker 4: So where this started to really come to light was

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Speaker 4: In I believe, you know, like Billboard magazine or Rolling

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Speaker 2: All right, So what's disturbing to me about all this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole situation is messed up, but the

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Wait, you know, and being like, you know, I guess

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Speaker 4: And for those of us that are old school fans

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Speaker 3: Was like the b announcer, right.

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Speaker 4: He would be the ring announcer on the house shows

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Speaker 4: So then Terry no, no, it was part of an angle,

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Speaker 3: He would beat up for anything. So that that's mel Phillips. Okay.

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Speaker 4: What they would do was, and this is pulled from

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Tom Cole would then speak out during this scandal against

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Speaker 4: Okay they were not just fifteen or sixteen, they could

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Speaker 4: we'll go to you know, we'll go from Allentown to Scranton,

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Speaker 4: telling in the interview. But how do you know how

435
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 4: is that they go to the They go to the

436
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 4: inner city of the of the.

437
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: The Okay, you go to the inner city. What do

438
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: you knock on somebody's door and say, hey, you have

439
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: a twelve year old? Hey are you married? Are you single?

440
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 6: Oh?

441
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you're one one parent household? Okay, are you poor?

442
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: Well do you want me to take your kid on

443
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 4: the n lette?

444
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: How do they know that these children are underprivileged? I mean,

445
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: I understand you going like I imagine when I hear

446
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: the story. I imagine them pulling up in a car

447
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: and going to like a basketball court and seeing all

448
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: these little kids play basketball, and approaching the child and saying, hey,

449
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: do you know who Brett Hart is? Do you want

450
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: to meet Bret Hart? I can get your job there.

451
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's basically what they did.

452
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go talk to your mom and dad. Oh

453
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: you only have a mom there? Oh okay, well let's

454
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: go talk to your mom then. Yeah, and then them

455
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: going to the parents and promising them the world if

456
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: we can basically take your child from you. Like, that's

457
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: the way I envision it, you know what I mean.

458
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 2: But again, like that takes a lot of effort, doesn't it.

459
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let me read you the quote.

460
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: This is a quote from Tom Cole in an interview

461
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: with A Wrestling Perspective back in the late nineties. Nineteen

462
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: ninety nine, Mel had a black book with names of

463
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: kids from all over the country that he would call

464
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 4: up if he would be in a specific town, and

465
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 4: he would ask these kids if they would want to

466
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: go to shows.

467
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: You'd meet kids from every state.

468
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: I'd go from New York to Philly and he'd have

469
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: young kids waiting for him, boys at the shows, and

470
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 4: he'd had he'd get five, six and seven kids. They'd

471
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 4: go to Boston and it would be the same thing,

472
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: and maybe one of two of those kids would come

473
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: with us, and they'd drive with us. It was the

474
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 4: same motif. If he had the same motif you had

475
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 4: with me, he'd call parents. They were always kids from

476
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: broken homes. Once in a blue moon you'd hear like

477
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 4: a kid who came from a so called stable environment.

478
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: Most of it was kids from a broken home with

479
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: no father, just a mother, drunk mother, alcoholic, drug addict, whatever.

480
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: That's pretty much the type of kid that Mel was

481
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: geared was geared toward. Man, he is a predator.

482
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he's a predator.

483
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's heavy s. I mean, I just, you know,

484
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: in a similar fashion. I just watched that Nick document documentary.

485
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I want to see it.

486
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: I forget what it's called. But you know, those people

487
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: were on set with these kids, so it was easy,

488
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: I mean easier to be a predator because they were

489
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: they were in charge of the children. Here they're scouting.

490
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: They're going to these cities and scouting young boys. That's

491
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: crazy to me. Yeah, yeah, like, oh my god, and

492
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: the parents would let them go on the road.

493
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

494
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: As a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old kid, like, oh

495
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: my god, never, I would never ever let my children.

496
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: I Ugh, I can't wrap my head around this logic.

497
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

498
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 4: And I grew up, you know, thinking the ring crew

499
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: was the referees and some of the stage hands, you know,

500
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: and guys that were just at the arena, you know,

501
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: for the show. Well, it initially was right.

502
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: And here it is.

503
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 4: He's got this little van full of kids that are going, wow,

504
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: I'll get to go to a wrestling show. And I'd say,

505
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: they're going out, and where do I find this van?

506
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: I guess they're promised all this stuff. And you know,

507
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: little kids loving wrestling, being fans, they would jump at

508
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: the chance. But you know, being in the business, I

509
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: know our ring crew was the same guys. We never

510
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: had underage kids in the building. And if the guys

511
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: came for a tryout, maybe they would help out. But

512
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: these were a grown men. They were always like eighteen

513
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: and over that you know, will come for tryouts. I've

514
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: never seen a child, uh you know, be ring crew,

515
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: not in E CW. We never had that. To me,

516
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: this is blowing my mind. But again, you hit the

517
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: nail on the head. That's what predators do. But to

518
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: keep a blind eye to it, that's disgusting.

519
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know mel Phillips also in the revelations

520
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: of this whole thing, you know, was revealed to have

521
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: a have a foot fetish, and he would prey on

522
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: these kids. And you know this was a thing for many,

523
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: many years. So mel Phillips immediately fired. Gone during the

524
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: ring boys gone, you know, so and so was Patterson

525
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: and Garvin, but the mel Phillips one was the longest standing.

526
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: You never returned to wrestling.

527
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 2: Gone just good, he didn't be gone. But now with Patterson,

528
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: you know this was going on.

529
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: Well, you know, you'd got you'd have to think they

530
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 4: saw the boys. You know when I've heard of wrestlers

531
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: that have said they saw boys around, but they just

532
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 4: didn't know to the extent of what what are this?

533
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: You know, despicable actions they were happening. But again, you know,

534
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: if you're a kid and you're offered, especially during that

535
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: And this is another interesting little nugget to go along

536
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: with it. This is nineteen ninety two. Okay, this is

537
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: the beginning of the drop of the WWF. So up

538
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: to ninety two, they are printing money, right, they are

539
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 4: just everything they touched is turning to gold. And in

540
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: ninety it starts to go down a little bit. That's

541
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 4: when the Ultimate Warrior becomes a champ and that people

542
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: are starting to turn away.

543
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: And then in.

544
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: Ninety one that's when they start here and now, well,

545
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: the Haults are starting to finally get booed. Maybe they're

546
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: starting to turn their back on this thing we've been

547
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: doing all these years. And by ninety two that's where

548
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: the falloff happens and this hits. So they probably thought

549
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: the world was crashing down around them, but with Patterson,

550
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: So they get rid of Patterson, but they bring him

551
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 4: back eventually. He's a he's a quick yeah fire, but

552
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: he's also a quick return. But with Murray Hodgson. I

553
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: have a clip that we can play where there's confrontation

554
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: between Vince and Hodgson on the Donahue Show.

555
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Sure before you play that, though, Were there any of

556
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: these the children's families that sued when they found out

557
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: what was going on? Did any of that ever happen

558
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: with all these boys that were involved. Do we know

559
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: of any families that actually sued the w w F.

560
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: I've never heard of anything having to do Only one

561
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 4: was Tom Cole because Hall.

562
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: As an adult, right, how many kids did this happen to. Yeah,

563
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: it could be hundreds upon hundreds of children. That's that's trafficking.

564
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, But that's what I said when they

565
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: all started. If you recall when this all started, I said,

566
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: how has this not come to light all.

567
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: These years later?

568
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: I don't know how they got away with this, Even

569
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: over the steroid scandal and then and the payoffs and

570
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: all the things we'll talk.

571
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: About, this is the one.

572
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: I don't know how they they they were able to

573
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: kind of get around all these years. And where are

574
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: all these kids that this happened to?

575
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what happened? And were they such did they

576
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: not talk? Were they such closed lips that they never

577
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, were they threatened? Don't speak of this?

578
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

579
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: Because they were too scared. But you would think one

580
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: out of hundreds of children would have opened their mouths

581
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: and said something. And and the adults that were a

582
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: part of this, Like I always say to myself, I

583
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: have children. I would never want my kids to go

584
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: through this. Do they have kids? Do they realize like

585
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: they're child? I mean, I know a lot of them

586
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: are homosexual, but maybe they could adopt or I don't know.

587
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, if you have a child in

588
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: your life that you care about, how can you do

589
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: this to other people's children. Yeah, it's it's so disgusting,

590
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: so sad. Oh I'm so fired up right now. That's terrible,

591
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: absolutely terrible. All right, player clip, well.

592
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 4: Let me just mention too. And then Terry Garvin was

593
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 4: another you know, another executive working with Pat Patterson.

594
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 3: Like I said, you know they called the right hand man.

595
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: He was also you know, involved with soliciting guys for

596
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 4: sexual favors or you know, the liaisons. And Tom Cole

597
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: again was the only guy who really came forward with this.

598
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: Was another guy, another victim of the advances of Terry Garvin,

599
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 4: and he said, Terry Garvin basically, you know, had had

600
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 4: a wife and I believe you have kids that when

601
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: they were out of town for the weekend, wanted Tom

602
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: Cole to come to his house and hey, and advanced

603
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: on him, and Tom Cole to it. No, no, I'm

604
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: not I'm not into.

605
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 2: This was Tom Cole of legal age at that point.

606
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 3: Tom Cale was nineteen.

607
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so this is a gentleman who apparently was bisexual, right,

608
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: liked women, liked men, has children of his own, Would

609
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: he want his kids to go through this bullshit? Probably not,

610
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: because no one wants to see their kids in a

611
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: compromising position. So how on earth with good conscience can

612
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: he do it to somebody else's child? You know what

613
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, oh my god.

614
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 4: Barry Orton, Randy Orton's uncle, also accused Terry Garvin of

615
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 4: advances while they were driving on a trip, you know,

616
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 4: from town to town, saying, you know, while you're driving,

617
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: I'll take care of business for you if you'd like.

618
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 4: He just said, you know, I'm not that kind of guy.

619
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 4: You know, no, thank you. But Barry Orton then cut

620
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 4: off from ww F booking after that.

621
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: Well, didn't Paul Roma just give an interview and say

622
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: he got fired like two days later or something.

623
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: Well, Paul Roma. So Paul Roma's partner, Jim Powers was

624
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: the one that really didn't. Jim Powers he denied the

625
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: advances of Pat Patterson and never survived.

626
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 3: And I think he quit. No, I think he quit

627
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: because they they wanted.

628
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: Him for years, because Jim Powers was there from about

629
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: eighty five to ninety one ninety two ish.

630
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 3: But just he, I guess, was harassed for years.

631
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: What did Paul Roma that that was fired Paul Roma.

632
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 4: To be blunt. What they said was Hercules said to

633
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: Paul Roma that if my partner just fucked Pat Patterson

634
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: or let Pat Patterson, then I'm just being blown.

635
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: This is what Paul said.

636
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 4: If he had let him do that, then maybe we

637
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 4: get a push.

638
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 5: Ah.

639
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: So, but he was fired quickly. Correct.

640
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 4: I don't think it was in relation to that. No,

641
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 4: Paul Roman just had a bad attitude. That's why I

642
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: did he want a job to anybody. That's why Paul

643
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 4: Roman was let go. But no, Jim Powers quit because

644
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: they harassed Jim Powers.

645
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: They just wouldn't stop.

646
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: And some powers so pretty.

647
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: But somebody, you.

648
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: Know, somebody mentioned to me over time.

649
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: You know that Jim Powers just like would.

650
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 4: Not would not be let let alone and that couldn't

651
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: take it anymore. Yeah, and Jim Powers. You were talking

652
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: to Jim Powers. He is just your typical Jersey dude,

653
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: gruff voice. He ain't taking that ship like he's you know,

654
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 4: it's it's interesting. But let me play you this clip

655
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: of uh Vince and Murray Hodgson. The clips a little longer,

656
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 4: so we'll have we'll edit where we can. I just

657
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 4: want you to see the clip.

658
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because at the rate we're going, we're only

659
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: going to get to still.

660
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll edit around what I want you to see. Okay,

661
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: Classic Phil Donahue Show. If nobody's ever seen this episode,

662
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: this is one of the greatest pieces of wrestling outside

663
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: of wrestling television talk show setting. This is one of

664
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: the best hours in the history of outside of wrestling TV.

665
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 4: So this is you see vincick Man sitting to the right,

666
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: and this is Murray Hodgson here to the left.

667
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 6: The sexual harassment exists in your workplace?

668
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 7: I believe that there is a possibility of sexual harassment

669
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 7: existing everywhere.

670
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: And I asked directly if it was my organization.

671
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: I don't want I'd like to reiterate the question.

672
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 5: Do you believe there is sexual harassment amongst the wrestlers

673
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 5: or employees the World Wrestling Federation to day?

674
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 7: There is a possibility of that. That's why I have

675
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 7: the independent investigators to come in and who are an

676
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 7: independent investigator Facts Group Limited. And I would like you

677
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 7: to hear what you have to say, and everyone has

678
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 7: to say. I want to get to the bottom moment.

679
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 6: Would you therefore believe that because of all these allegations

680
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 6: coming forward, and more and more corroborating evidence proving that

681
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 6: there's no doubt sexual harassment is running rampant in the

682
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 6: World Wrestling Federation, that you are definitely going to come

683
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 6: public and do something about it.

684
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 7: Why wouldn't I, if in fact that is the case.

685
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 7: Why wouldn't I do something about it? Why would I

686
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 7: risk what.

687
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 6: We have because you haven't done anything about it until

688
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 6: it became.

689
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 7: Public because you thought it because I no knowledge of it.

690
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 6: I made knowledge of it to you when I was fired,

691
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 6: and you just blew it off and let me go.

692
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 5: I retained a lawyers.

693
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 7: You were not very good. You were not a very

694
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 7: good announcer. You could not It's the only reason why

695
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 7: you were fired. You could not make the transition from

696
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 7: radio to television. That is the only reason why.

697
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 5: You were fired. I would like to remind you, sir,

698
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: that I have a two year contract too.

699
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 7: You also have a clause in your contract that states,

700
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 7: and as you know, you we hired on a trial basis.

701
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 5: I was not hired on a trial basis. Do you don't

702
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 5: have a concert mcman? I have a two year deal

703
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 5: with your cot.

704
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 7: You will note had a clause it states very clearly,

705
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 7: and I have it outlined for all to see here

706
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 7: today that you can be fired almost at WILM if

707
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 7: in fact you're not doing a good job.

708
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 5: You did a horrible job. That's the only reason why

709
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 5: you were fired. That's it. Maybe I should point out

710
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 5: first and foremost that might be your inability to pick

711
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 5: good talent. Could you had a national talent search instance,

712
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 5: you advertised in Billboard magazine and across many different media

713
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 5: sources searching for one man that could be the new

714
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 5: face and voice of the World Wrestling Federation. You flew

715
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 5: me in back and forth four and five different times

716
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 5: from Detroit, and you chose over the course of one

717
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 5: year of negotiations that I would be the man for

718
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 5: that job. I didn't sleep with your vice president. Two

719
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: weeks later, I'm fired. I also want to point out

720
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 5: one very important fact from your office. Came a letter

721
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 5: to my landlord to verify my employment. From that letter,

722
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 5: I must bring this point up. It says Murray Hodson

723
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 5: has a very secure job with Titan Sports and is

724
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 5: a positive and productive employee. From your office, just because

725
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 5: I don't sleep with your vice president, that qualifies to

726
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 5: blow me out of a two year deal. I don't

727
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 5: buy it.

728
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, Holy moly, I've never seen that in my life.

729
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: That is unbelievable. I am shocked that Vince agreed to

730
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: go on the show. Did he know that this was

731
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: going to happen?

732
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 3: He knew who was going to be there?

733
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: Wow? And what was Vince's answer to that? Oh?

734
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: Now you know what?

735
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: Just no, no, no, I want to sit down and

736
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: watch that off air.

737
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 4: I believe he doubles down. It just repeats what he said.

738
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: I think he just doubled.

739
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is mind blowing. I need to

740
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: Can you send me the LinkedIn?

741
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: I will, I will, I'll send you a whole hour

742
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 4: if you want. I mean, it's a great hour.

743
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: Joe, I want to see I've never seen it before.

744
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's but that goes to show you that

745
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: the cover ups went that far that a guy who

746
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 4: left his place of business in Detroit moved from Detroit

747
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: to Connecticut. You know that's what they do with those announcers.

748
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: Ye denied in advance from it was alleged to be

749
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: Pat Patterson was fired and there was his two year

750
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 4: contract ripped up. Oh there's a clause, you're gone. But

751
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 4: he also did fire Pat Patterson. I think that's what

752
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 4: he says next. He said, I did fire the executive.

753
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 4: I think that's what he does say next.

754
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: But it's just like he's.

755
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: Claiming he was fired because he sucks. Yes, so then.

756
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: Why did you fire Pat Patterson?

757
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's strange. He spoke eloquently. That man

758
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: has a wonderful voice. I can't imagine him being a

759
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: sucking ring announcer. I mean I've never I probably heard

760
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: him if I watched Old Clif, but he sounds wonderful

761
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: to me.

762
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: He did like the event centers, you know, like the

763
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: coming to you know, the Madison Square Garden, you know

764
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 4: Hall COVID yep, yep.

765
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Wow. That's yeah. I want to definitely see

766
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: that and to go one national television and be like,

767
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: oh is there. I don't know, I'll get to the

768
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: bottom of it, come on.

769
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, could not come off good.

770
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 4: See that's where and he was by himself. He didn't

771
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: have any legal representations sitting next to him. He was

772
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 4: on his own. And he would do that. He'd go

773
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: on Larry King by himself. You know, he would go

774
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 4: in other media, you'd go on Howard Stern and take

775
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: questions like he had the ability to take those one

776
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: on one situations. He was out numbered like fifteen to

777
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 4: one on that show.

778
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 3: And that's what's happened.

779
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mind's blown on that because I've never you know,

780
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: I didn't become a fan till like the early nineties,

781
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: so all this this stuff earlier, I didn't know anything about,

782
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And I wasn't a hardcore

783
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: fan that I would know the insider info. So to

784
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: see this it blows my mind. And it's amazing because

785
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: you don't see too many people stand up to Vince McMahon,

786
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: and this guy wasn't backing down. And that's very, very,

787
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: very attractive in a person. I like that, So good

788
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: on him.

789
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, and then this, I, like I said,

790
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 4: I think that this really was a part of that

791
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 4: downfall that the company had, because then as you go

792
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: into the ninety ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, the

793
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: Doldrum years, just the business itself was just on a.

794
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: Wow, completely.

795
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: Amazing. Okay, Well, unfortunately we spent a lot of time

796
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: one story. We really don't have time to get in

797
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 2: to the next one because it'll it'll be too long.

798
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 4: So well we can continue, I mean a little bit

799
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: more with the Ring Boys because in the New York Post,

800
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 4: and I can give you a little bit more detail

801
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 4: on that. This is where vincick Man began his just

802
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: torrid feud with Phil Mushnick of the New York Post.

803
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: Which look, when I was in high school and I

804
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 4: was just a tried and true Vince mick Mann apologist

805
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: and defender. I did a whole report about my hatred

806
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: for Phil Mushnick. But Phil Mushnick just went all in

807
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 4: against the WWF and he quoted vincick Man as when

808
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: he when he questioned about the Ring Boy scandal, as

809
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: Vince saying that they found mel Phillips to have a peculiar,

810
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: peculiar and unnatural relationship with children. I think that's the

811
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: quote from Vince wick Man.

812
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: Okay, so you.

813
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: Know Mushnick again just he had the just microscope and

814
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: magnifying glass on top of the WWF and Vince and

815
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 4: would report on this stuff for years and would keep

816
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 4: the narrative alive that what he would say is basically

817
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 4: he would accuse Vince of being a child abuser, a

818
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 4: child molest a homosexual, a rapist, a miscreant, and these

819
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: are things that he would continue to call him for

820
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: years based off of these scandals that broke in ninety two.

821
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: So apparently the FBI in twenty twenty one revealed that

822
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: there was a videotape of Phillips yes molesting a boy

823
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: in the ring before a WWF show and also doing

824
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: it the exact way the accusers had described. So they

825
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: came forth the accusers and said this happened, and then

826
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: there was a video to prove that it happened.

827
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: And I'm guessing, yeah, I'm guessing that's the foot fetish stuff.

828
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 4: So that's that's that is incredible that there's video footage

829
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: of that. And I don't know whether that's from the

830
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: WWF master hardcam footage that they recorded every show, or

831
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: if that's from somebody grabbing you know, rogue early house

832
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 4: show footage where they snuck in the giant tape recorder

833
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 4: inside their their locker room bag.

834
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, everybody, if it.

835
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: Was ww F film, they would have burned it. There's

836
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: no way that those they would have got rid of it.

837
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: Don't you think maybe they didn't notice it. Maybe it

838
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: was just one of those hardcams recording. Maybe they said

839
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 4: we have to subpoena you know, X number of hours

840
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: of footage from this time to this time, and somebody

841
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: had literally combed through it.

842
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: The person that is responsible for the video footage probably

843
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: got fired as well for not getting rod of it.

844
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 4: Or yeah, or somebody just said or it was the

845
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 4: opposite of somebody had, you know, bootleg illegal footage where

846
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: they said, you know, one day they were going through there, hey,

847
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 4: Boston Garden nineteen eighty eight, you know house show footage

848
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 4: that they brought in a smuggled in VHS recorder and

849
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: so what the hell's that going on in the ring?

850
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: And then this this Phillips guy was an indie promoter.

851
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I never knew that because I mean I

852
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: had the Internet back then, and I don't remember ever

853
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 4: hearing anything about that.

854
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: So that's don't remember that at all.

855
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: That's that's that is an odd one. I don't remember

856
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: that unless that was super duper local. I don't know

857
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 4: anything about that.

858
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: Let me say something there, and I know this because

859
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: there are videos on it on YouTube. I'm a big,

860
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 2: a big fan of your Mom's House with the comedians

861
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: Tom and Christine Christina, and they do a lot of

862
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: curations off a tic talk and all this kind of stuff,

863
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: and they show fetishes where like you can go to

864
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: places and you can pretend you're a baby, or you

865
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: can be dominated men can be dominated by females and

866
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: all this kind of like fetish stuff. Right, if you

867
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 2: are into that kind of stuff, do it on your

868
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: own time, don't bring it to the workplace. Make work

869
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: a safe environment for all that are involved, and then

870
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: shit like this would not happen. I don't begrudge anyone

871
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 2: except for the young boys. That's disgusting and it should

872
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: be off the table. But you know, if somebody's like gay,

873
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: or if somebody's in defeat or you're into something weird,

874
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 2: who cares. We all have our fetishes, right, but he's

875
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: into something out there. Do it on your own time.

876
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: Don't do it at work, even if you're attracted to

877
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: somebody at work. Keep it professional, you know what I mean,

878
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: Like it's it's such the environment is toxic, and you

879
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: wonder why people don't want to work in certain places.

880
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: You wonder why there's all these stories coming out about

881
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: certain things. Keep your fetishes outside of the freaking workplace

882
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: and you'll be fine. And again I'm not advocating the

883
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: young boy stuff that is wrong. That is disgusting one

884
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: hundred percent, you know, disgusted by that. I'm not talking

885
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: about that. I'm talking about all these fetishes. He liked feet. Okay,

886
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: go look at somebody's feet outside of work when you

887
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: get off at nine o'clock, nine point thirty, go to

888
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: the foot fetish stord. You know what I'm trying to say, Like,

889
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: get it outside of the workplace. Don't make these people

890
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable. We should be hired for our talent in

891
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: the ring, what we can do as athletes, as individuals,

892
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: how we cut promos, how we carry ourselves. We should

893
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: not be judged on whether we sleep with somebody, or

894
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: get on our knees for somebody, or take my shoes

895
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: off and stick my foot in somebody's mouth. That's not

896
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: what we should be judged on. We should be judged

897
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 2: on our talent. And the more stories that come out,

898
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: the more sick I get because a little tiny portion

899
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: of that happened to me, and very very tiny, and

900
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: I got out unscathed, and I'm fine. But to the

901
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: men and women who had to suffer because of this bullshit.

902
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: It's just oh, it makes me so angry. It should

903
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: just be based on your talent and not what you

904
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: do behind the scenes that goes for wrestling, that goes

905
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: for acting, that goes for singing, that goes for life,

906
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: life in general. That's the way I feel.

907
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: With that.

908
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 4: To be continued, I am fired up. This is uh yeah,

909
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 4: you know, you know, I'm very long. I'm sorry Pandora's Box.

910
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 4: I mean, how can we not? How can we not?

911
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 4: You know you said this could be a five part series,

912
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: this would be a twenty five part series.

913
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, do you agree with me?

914
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: Yes?

915
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: I just man, it sucks because there're so many guys

916
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 2: and girls who were talented and got fired and never

917
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: got to show what they are capable of doing because

918
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: they didn't want to succumb to you know, backstage politics

919
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: or sexual advancement or what mind you get out of here.

920
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm so tired of it, so tired of it. It's ridiculous.

921
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: And that's why I always say there's life after WWE.

922
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 2: There really is. You know, the money might not be there,

923
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: but everything else is, and you could look yourself in

924
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: the mirror and be proud of what you see, so

925
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say.

926
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: That's and that's the ticket.

927
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, well I know, well we might do eighty

928
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: seven more parts. If you like this one, leave us

929
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: a comment. If you haven't followed us on iHeartRadio yet,

930
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: please follow us or subscribe to us wherever you get

931
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: your podcasts on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you're listening. We

932
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Tell your friends if you see me

933
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: on x or Instagram posting, please retweet it and or

934
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: repost it whatever they're calling it these days, and help

935
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: spread the word because this is a passionate project of

936
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: mine and we want to see this channel grow, so

937
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: appreciate this important.

938
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 4: Look at the last month divon Chris Chetty, Perry Saturn,

939
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 4: Scottie Riggs. I mean, how could you not get into

940
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 4: just this last month worth the show.

941
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: It's been an epic ride.

942
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: So absolutely, and we're just getting started. Yeah, you know,

943
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: we we have we have some time left. It's only

944
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: been four months here on iHeart and we have a

945
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: lot of times to go. So we we just want

946
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: to make the show bigger and better. If you have

947
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: any suggestions anyone you'd like to see, let us know.

948
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: And again we appreciate the input, so thank you.

949
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 3: Man.

950
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 4: All right, well at Chad E and b on X, Twitter,

951
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 4: whatever and the eyes up here on YouTube.

952
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: If you want to follow me on social media across

953
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: the board, you can find me at ECW DVA Francine,

954
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: I hope you are staying safe. I hope you were

955
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: staying healthy, and most of all, I hope you're staying extreme.

956
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: A bird by bird