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Speaker 1: This is a headgun podcast. Celebrity book Club. Who's that

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Speaker 1: knocking at the door. It's all your friends, your filthy horse,

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Speaker 1: your husband's gone, and we've got books and a bottle

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Speaker 1: of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm shook. It's memoirs, Marteenie clebrit Book Club can read

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Speaker 1: it while it's hot. Celebrity Book Club, Tell your secrets.

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Speaker 1: We won't talk celebrity books. No boys are Alloud. Celebrit

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Speaker 1: Book Club Say it Loud and Cloud Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 1: Buzz Man. I brought the Queer Voe Hey best friend

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Speaker 1: are am I God, Lily, Stephen Phillips Horse, He's talking Rod.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see you. I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: been months since we left recording and now, oh, I

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Speaker 1: know it always feels this way where it's like we

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Speaker 1: did this last week and I'm just like, but have

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Speaker 1: I seen you? So much has happened just in terms

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Speaker 1: of the world. Oh my god, yeah, sort of mask

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Speaker 1: mandates coming down. I'm going to the gym now sans

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Speaker 1: mask and it's so liberating. Wait, really it was so

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Speaker 1: but literally my first day at the gym without a mask,

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Speaker 1: I got recognized stop yes by just like a guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he was a good and I'm not

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Speaker 1: just missing. He was a fan and he was like

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Speaker 1: he came up to he was just like are you Stephen?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, he was like, well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: he said this weird thing. He was like, I used

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Speaker 1: to follow you online and I was like, who you

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Speaker 1: used to? No people do that like I had. I

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Speaker 1: feel like girl come up to me at the Honey's

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Speaker 1: Holiday Fair not to name drop an amazing local business,

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Speaker 1: and she was like, oh my god, you're so funny.

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Speaker 1: Someone once showed me your Instagram and then I never

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Speaker 1: followed you. She told you she didn't follow you, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that it was funny when someone showed it to me.

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Speaker 1: It's that's like he said that he was this big

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Speaker 1: fan and he would show his friends on my videos.

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Speaker 1: With this whole story, I think maybe he was implying

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Speaker 1: that he had like wasn't on social media anymore. Something

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Speaker 1: totally kind. This is no pity party here. Whatever literally

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Speaker 1: gave your life unplug go to an ashram. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's been a crazy week and I think what we're

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Speaker 1: trying to say, but we should probably. I was so

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Speaker 1: happy for you, Yes, thank you, and I'm happy that

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Speaker 1: you got to hear that story. And I just think

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Speaker 1: like one of the reasons this week has been craziest

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Speaker 1: because we read a really psychotically amazing epic Sauce Cuckoo

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Speaker 1: book that is a saga of New York City and

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Speaker 1: I think really speaks to California, Syracuse. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: places that we all have real connections. Also, it's an

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Speaker 1: Italian American book, and I am a proud, proud Italian Americans. Yes,

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Speaker 1: everyone knows that you are extremely proud. But we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: shoot our guest. Yes, So we decided to bring on

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Speaker 1: someone for this very special episode who also intersects with

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Speaker 1: a lot of these worlds that we're talking about. Fashion,

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Speaker 1: pr downtown, New York City, et cetera. Actress, jew actress,

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Speaker 1: the two thousands, the two thousand and tens, the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty clothing. Um, Okay, she's coming out from behind the curtain,

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Speaker 1: even though she's not supposed to yet because we haven't

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Speaker 1: opened debt and her name is Ladies and gentlemen none

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Speaker 1: other than know her from from the podcast Red Scare.

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Speaker 1: You know her from soon you will know her from

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Speaker 1: the HBO show Succession, which Steve and I famously fought about.

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Speaker 1: And I have to eat your ship because I'm still

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Speaker 1: not going to admit that I watch it. You don't

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Speaker 1: watch I literally don't watch it, and I watch. And

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Speaker 1: now she can add director, filmmaker, writer to her resume.

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Speaker 1: She is a very good urban horror flick called The

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Speaker 1: Scary of sixty first Ladies and Gentlemen. We are talking,

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Speaker 1: of course, about Dasha Nescarova. Wait. I said that completely

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Speaker 1: you wrong, Necrosova. Sorry, Okay, I went silent because I

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Speaker 1: it just left my brain. It's you think it's too foreign, Necrosova.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's because I deliberated changing it when

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Speaker 1: I was entering Ellis Island when the entertainment Wait, so

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Speaker 1: like you know, like Carry Grant is actually like Carrie whatever,

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Speaker 1: just like Shapira. Yeah no, you will not change yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well what were you going to change it? Too? Well?

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Speaker 1: My parents also like softly disowned me in my mid

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Speaker 1: was going to change it to Dasha Bugdanovich. And then

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Speaker 1: when people would ask me if, like Peter Bugdanovich was

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about my family, sorry, people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who I'm thinking of? Rob more Chicago heads over here?

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Speaker 1: He is he equally like Mired and scandal this person. No,

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Speaker 1: he's a filmmaker, Okay, yeah, Oh so it's a little

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Speaker 1: more like fuck you mom and dad. Like I'm actually

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Speaker 1: like this, like I'm the wayward child of like Jim

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Speaker 1: Jarmusch or whatever is it that steven seventies. He's known

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Speaker 1: directed Cameron Diaz, not as far as this is why

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Speaker 1: I don't know who he is. I became a Sibyl

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Speaker 1: head from the L Word, and then I started watching

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Speaker 1: this year her sitcom Sibyl. Oh, I haven't, I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen it. It's about her being an actress, you might

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Speaker 1: and it's all of her ex husbands are like coming

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Speaker 1: in and out, which is very that's so fun. The

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Speaker 1: author of our book, the book that we read this

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Speaker 1: week that our guests has also read three times, is

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Speaker 1: by Kelly Katrone pr Maven, fashion publicist rock Star. You

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Speaker 1: know her from the show Cow on Earth, which was

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Speaker 1: eight episodes Mama Wolf. She was also on the City

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Speaker 1: for the Hills and the Hills and her book is

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Speaker 1: called If you have to Cry, Go Outside and Other

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Speaker 1: Things your Mother Never Told You, which is basically the

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Speaker 1: same title formation as the Barbara Corcorne book we read,

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Speaker 1: and Judge Judy's book, which we haven't done, which is

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Speaker 1: if you're pissing on my leg, don't tell me it's raining.

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Speaker 1: I like the way that you sort of rephrase that

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Speaker 1: raining kind of made it present tense, like its present

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Speaker 1: doing like to like changing the present tense to make

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Speaker 1: Israel like not culpable for its crimes. When people start

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Speaker 1: canceling people for grammar online, I'm like topping out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're like sorry, is this I'm not a Grammary. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Dasha, will you tell us how many times you've

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Speaker 1: read this book three times? Which is not I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty short book. And the first time I

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Speaker 1: it because I play a publicist on succession, which Stephen

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Speaker 1: she's on the show because she didn't make the show.

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Speaker 1: Icon that she's on the show. Okay, true, but it

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Speaker 1: and then I had been listening to your podcast, big fan,

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Speaker 1: and so I texted Stephen and suggested that you talk

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Speaker 1: about it, and then he invited me on. He said,

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Speaker 1: because the song's three minutes and commitment. In the second

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed that this is the book that's you're rereading book,

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Speaker 1: you were saying, like you use it at different times

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Speaker 1: It was recommended to me, and I actually had it

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Speaker 1: it's like what's the word? And my diniverse and boss whatever? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: makes sense. So she's a very you know, she has

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Speaker 1: amongst punk rockers, artists, junkies. So she moves to the

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Speaker 1: where she's like, I still can't believe the elevator opens

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Speaker 1: like she's still the opposite of Bethany. Bethie is like

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Speaker 1: it's very stressful to yeah, bags and bags and bags

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Speaker 1: and bags stuff that the interns have to reorganize constantly.

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Speaker 1: The interns are really like a lot more. They're more

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Speaker 1: was again interns Revolt that was I'm sorry, I will

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Speaker 1: not intern nine hours a day like that is okay,

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Speaker 1: internships go. What were yours? I worked at a contemporary

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Speaker 1: you were an intern for an La Arte Extra? Wow? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I had to climb up ladders to get like

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Speaker 1: old back issues and stuff, and sometimes I would fantasize

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Speaker 1: about like falling and getting hurt, really getting getting Workmen's

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Speaker 1: apparel that Christmas, that it helped her out those thigh

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Speaker 1: her new PR company on her like second career poster

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Speaker 1: meth in la movie People's Revolution, People's Revolution, which is

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Speaker 1: still exists, by the way. Well, she says, I named

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Speaker 1: my company People's Revolution not because I'm a communist a

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Speaker 1: I happen to believe that the world will change all

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Speaker 1: new me change ourselves, and that starts with finding ourselves,

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Speaker 1: and that starts with listening to ourselves. What the ideas

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Speaker 1: the world only changes when you do PR for Steve Madden,

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Speaker 1: it's like what, it's so crazy because the companies that

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Speaker 1: she represents are all these super changes. They're all these

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Speaker 1: like mid market level brands, Like you're a communist, She's

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Speaker 1: like she's she's a publicist for Jeremy Scott and she says,

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's very the brand. The episode I

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Speaker 1: so many fires to put up because the Genetic Denim

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Speaker 1: out of denim and it was just like in this

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Speaker 1: the most like two thousand and nine to twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: by a straight guy. Like this was also such a

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Speaker 1: like Diesel Jean. It was Diesel. It was Diesel used aftermaths.

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Speaker 1: They weren't even that whiskered though. They were just kind

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Speaker 1: were very in at that time, Like torsos have never

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Speaker 1: been longer than twenty ten. When like Nikki Hilton would

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Speaker 1: wear like a wife beater, that was just like well yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's like the hottest thing you could do was

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Speaker 1: show that bit of skin. Did you ever do that

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Speaker 1: where it's like the tank it's hard to kind of

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Speaker 1: toward listeners. But even that's strip that's like right here,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you're showing just a little above crotch

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Speaker 1: and a little below belly button. I'd also just like

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Speaker 1: to point out that I did wear all black. Wait,

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Speaker 1: like Kelly Trump, yeah, oh you black? Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 1: I going to wear the podcast? I was like, I'll

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Speaker 1: wear all black, of course, because it's an event, of course.

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Speaker 1: And she makes all her girls were all black at

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Speaker 1: she says is because she doesn't look good in color,

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Speaker 1: but can't be true. Well, she is also beautiful Italian woman.

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Speaker 1: The end also, but it gets so just like the

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's just like and the cannolis

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Speaker 1: like it gets like so just like full Mob Wives

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Speaker 1: where she's like, my father looks like a baked brand

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Speaker 1: that I want to discuss where she talks about being

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Speaker 1: a mamawa. It won't surprise you that when we order

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Speaker 1: catering during fashion week to sustain us through the long

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Speaker 1: nights we spend in the office seating shows and putting

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Speaker 1: out fires, Robin, Emilie and I always eat before the

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Speaker 1: mid level team, which eats before the assistants who aren't

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Speaker 1: allowed to touch the food until the rest of us

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Speaker 1: have taken what we want. The senior team brings in

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Speaker 1: the clients after all, and the clients pay for the food.

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Speaker 1: Like wolves, we share our kill with our children. Oh my,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's very Mead Springer, because I would deliver

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Speaker 1: deep dish pizza and McDonald's to the guests and the producers.

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Speaker 1: Sorry with the producers eat first and then the mid

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Speaker 1: like the mid level associate pro It was more about

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Speaker 1: me delivering food to all the like scary guests and

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Speaker 1: I'm been living them like Sacks and McDonald's. But then

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Speaker 1: also the entire staff also ate the McDonald's. No one

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Speaker 1: was like salad. For me. It was like McDonald's deep

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Speaker 1: dish pizza, and I would deliver it and then while

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Speaker 1: running through the rooms, I would like take my deep

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Speaker 1: dish like that secretly and just at the BMI of

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Speaker 1: the Springer staff. We oh, I mean it was a

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Speaker 1: hot staff. I was like horny for all of them.

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Speaker 1: They were like hot, cheesy cheesy one of I mean,

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Speaker 1: CNN was all full of the cheesiest cheeka. TV is

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Speaker 1: a lot of like straight girls with knockers and like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean I think because the guy who's

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Speaker 1: the executive prinstar of Spring was like fully like the

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Speaker 1: most disgusting Ron who's the famous print star Ron Jeremy

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Um. Anyway, I actually lost ten pounds working Spring

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Speaker 1: because I was running so much, which is very your

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Speaker 1: theory calorising colors out Yes, McDonald's, but I was running

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Speaker 1: around true caloris. I mean, it's so much a theory

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Speaker 1: as it is just like how the body works. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's like actually talk about pr girls for a second. No,

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Speaker 1: let's cut the shucking cut this shit, as fucking Kelly

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Speaker 1: Cotron would do. And I have insights into publicity because

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Speaker 1: I play a publicist on succession one of the best.

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Speaker 1: What are your what are your insights? Here's okay, let

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Speaker 1: me person our publicist and maybe bleep out her name

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Speaker 1: or whatever, because I feel like she doesn't want people

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Speaker 1: to know that she's a publicist. But she is incredibly talented.

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Speaker 1: She's really good, and eventually I do want to hire

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Speaker 1: her as my hopeless I just have not yet, and

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for her her memoir, which obviously will have

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Speaker 1: She's a maven. Yeah, she's a maven. It'll happen and

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Speaker 1: it'll be Kate on Earth. But what she does, though,

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Speaker 1: which is I think what Kelly does when she's actually

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Speaker 1: being a publicist, is you are pitching press. You are

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Speaker 1: calling it reporters that you have her an existing relationship,

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Speaker 1: and you were saying this person is interesting for X

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Speaker 1: y Z reasons, and you need to write about them,

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Speaker 1: and you need to do it fucking now because they're

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Speaker 1: hot shit. And it's like, that is a real job,

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Speaker 1: that is a real skill set to have. It requires

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Speaker 1: fucking balls of steel and requires like shamelessness, and it

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Speaker 1: requires a confidence and you also kind of have to

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Speaker 1: make a name around yourself, which you also does so

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Speaker 1: people like actually take your word to be legitimate. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a very like Kelly Catrone method of doing, because

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Speaker 1: lots of PR girls who I have met are very

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Speaker 1: like demure and kind of like subdued and a little

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Speaker 1: like maybe in their professional lives they are more ball zy,

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Speaker 1: but they're not doing the Caitlin and you know, and

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Speaker 1: those are the girls who are emailing and not calling.

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Speaker 1: And Okay, if I reveal that I am dating a publicist,

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Speaker 1: you're dating a publicist. You're dating to publicist. It's very published. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's very different than Kelen Narth. She's a publicist for books.

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Speaker 1: There is also another breed of girl who is on

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Speaker 1: the city a lot and is in this city, New

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Speaker 1: York go on, who is not a publicist, who does

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Speaker 1: not call reporters and pitch things, who is basically a

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Speaker 1: glorified door girl. And these girls have some power visa

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Speaker 1: VI events and they work at event planning, but they

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Speaker 1: like do not have you know, seven brain cells to

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Speaker 1: rub together, other than the ability to just like use

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Speaker 1: power when they have it, yeah, and like use it

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Speaker 1: over people and hold an iPad at a door and

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Speaker 1: like have a guest list or respond to guest list whatever.

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Speaker 1: I just I think that that is a narrower slice,

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Speaker 1: and like with Cotrone is weird about it. There's like

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Speaker 1: her business is both event production and pr and that's

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's actually not really how it works usually. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a mix because but like we know

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Speaker 1: someone who does fashion production who produces all of Ecasladas shows.

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Speaker 1: She's not also called emailing the Vogue being like oh no, right,

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Speaker 1: it's like separate. And I used to briefly to the

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Speaker 1: guy who does tell far As shows. He's not sending

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Speaker 1: a bag of like, well, I jeans to like some random,

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Speaker 1: very different world. So, like my girlfriend does like publicity

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Speaker 1: for like comics, So she does comic con stuff, and

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Speaker 1: so she's doing the cults whatever. She's on the phone

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Speaker 1: with like Entertainment Tonight being like Marvel blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But then she's also like raining in nerds at comic

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Speaker 1: con being she's doing event work. Yeah, she doing event work,

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Speaker 1: being like no, you actually have to wait here before

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Speaker 1: you like attack the Stephen universe whatever or something like that.

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Speaker 1: So I think it depends the last thing I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about before we get into Segments is her

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Speaker 1: amazing gallery show she puts on in the early nineties

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Speaker 1: during the height of the culture War. What would that

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Speaker 1: be like to be at a culture war. I'm desperately

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Speaker 1: always trying to like reignite the culture wars. I feel

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Speaker 1: like you are too like you, you know you we're

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Speaker 1: in the culture are we are currently in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: like conservative Republicans were like, we're like batting down the

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Speaker 1: doors of like the art galleries and like the museums,

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Speaker 1: and like there was such an insane war and like

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Speaker 1: I will not listen to this public enemy. Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: Like Joe Lieberman was just like video games destroying our community.

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Speaker 1: Now we just have Megan McCann being like my great

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Speaker 1: great father figure. Joe Lieberman was an amazing friend of

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Speaker 1: my late great father. I also love my gay hairstyle. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's like the culture was are much more narrow nowadays,

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Speaker 1: and they're not on the grand scale. They're not as

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Speaker 1: affecting as many people like they seem like pitched, but

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Speaker 1: it's only because like everything is pitched, because we're our

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Speaker 1: fucking founds. Okay, she's whipping up a meal for her

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Speaker 1: war whole husband, her first husband, Ronnie Cotrone, And she

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Speaker 1: was the hardest. I mentioned this art being so annoying,

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Speaker 1: definitely so annoyed, like pre art bro and whatever that means. Um,

635
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's like has a gallery in Hudson. Now,

636
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: no offense war producer lives where any of our listeners. Um.

637
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: So it's totally a real vibrant com Again for the

638
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Albert fans out there, the gallery show sounded so provocations, provocations.

639
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: So she did this show. Oh, she also was like

640
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: this is an example of her doing pr for herself.

641
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: But it was like literally just for herself. She was

642
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: like for her first she was just like, so I

643
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: decided to do a gallery show at a gallery in Soho,

644
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: New York City, show the show of the year. It

645
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: was the show to let It was very also sex

646
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: in the city. They're like, this is event we're all

647
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: going to. She gets three couples to lgbt Q interactional,

648
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: different genders, different, gets them to all make out naked

649
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: in this gallery with the American flag waving, and she like,

650
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, printed out the press place was two so

651
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: like back then you were facing a press release to

652
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: like Oprah dream and yever else, and she gets her

653
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: name in the in the New York Post. The next day,

654
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: she gets all this press. She like does get an

655
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: y one five thousand people come to the opening. They

656
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: line up, they're streaming through soho to get in to

657
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: see this crazy show where naked people and she makes

658
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: her kissing. Yeah, they're kissing. I think it's like a couple,

659
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: a gay couple, and like it's you know what it is.

660
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: It's also very crossing and aguilarra beautiful video, yes, which

661
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: I was tittling for the Madonna American Life video. I

662
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: imagine it very okay, but that was more like fuck

663
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: Bush with like grenades and stuff. Yes, but they're naked.

664
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: They're naked, which is shocking, and this was American fight.

665
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: It was free. It was originally that your browns, your whites,

666
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: you're blacks. Like they're all kissing. They're all kissing, and

667
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: like everyone's shocked because there's nothing more shocking than an

668
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: interracial kiss. I'm not even sure if the kisses were interracial.

669
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: There just may have been a black couple. Yeah, I

670
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: could see. No, she seems so literacial mess. Yeah, did

671
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: you okay? The video I sent you last night. Yeah,

672
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: where she's shocking with the director of like Genetic Gem

673
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: about who they're going to cast on the genetic ches.

674
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: I always want to be a tribal girl or something

675
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: insane that she was like, these two girls, they're sisters.

676
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: They look really sisters, Like they've got long hair, they've

677
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: got they were gonna be wearing all black. It's tribal.

678
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: And then Collector's like, yeah, I always have wanted to

679
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: do a tribal look my whole life. And it's like,

680
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: we know, babe, You're like, so there's like seventeen black

681
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: and white photos of Europe. So her use of the

682
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: word yoga is very loosely. She's like pay in the

683
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: book that she mentioned doing yoga doesn't actually do it.

684
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: She's just a yogi. She's a yogic person. Yeah, we

685
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: were doing pr yoga. Yeah. Me doing this event for

686
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: the Red Hot Chili Peppers was basically like a yoga event.

687
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: And you're like, do you actually know what yoga is? Yeah? Right, yo,

688
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: yoga is anything fine, Young Cannibal. She mentions the fun

689
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: Young Cannibal's non stock. You guys are musiccounts, like, you know,

690
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, so you know, you know,

691
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: but you can't. I get the video. But yeah, so

692
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: she does this show at the height of the Culture

693
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: Wars and it gets and I love saying the height

694
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: of the culture Wars if you can't tell, and it

695
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: gets her in the pages the New York Post. One

696
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: thing I thought was interesting about this though, and kind

697
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: of maybe sad, was she had put on the show

698
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: with her husband at the time, ron Yeah, Ronnie, and

699
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: she was like, it was this great moment where the

700
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: person who you're romantically partner with is also your creative

701
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: partner and you have this like symbiosis and the like,

702
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: and I've never had that again. Didn't that make you

703
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: so sad? I know? And she was like, that's what

704
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: true love is. But then I do think not to

705
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: be so whatever her teachings, it was like I feel

706
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: like her alternative family lifestyle where she's like, yeah, some nights,

707
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: maybe I'm working and my intern is taking a shower

708
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: and my ex husband is playing checkers with my current

709
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: lover and they're teaching my daughter and checkers. Yeah, She's like,

710
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: there's a male model on the couch and like he

711
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: was like playing fake swords with my daughter and her

712
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: husband and like his dad. She's kind of being very

713
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: lesbian about it, just being so like all my exes

714
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: are here and they're playing check Badness. Yes, you know

715
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: it is sad because she's like, I know it's cool.

716
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: I like don't need to, Like she does a lot

717
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: in the book, do this thing where she's like, yeah,

718
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: and maybe I don't need a partner and yeah, maybe

719
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: if I find someone who's like totally and that would

720
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: be great, but like I don't have that, and that's fine,

721
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: and that's okay for me because I'm a mama and

722
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing is totally fine. If the perfect guy came along,

723
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: he had a huge stick and he was my husband anyway,

724
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: he didn't mind that I have like my own career

725
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: and I'm doing any thing, like why would I want

726
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: to like go to a movie at night, or if

727
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: a guy came home like oh yeah, like actually I

728
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: wort two am and I said with my bupberry, so

729
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: like I don't need some guy to be like, hey,

730
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: let's go to dinner point five Jundre and blah blah.

731
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: When wash the sheets, when I'm putting out fires for

732
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: the Steve Madden Show, I don't need a husband texting

733
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: me pick up the kids. But if a man were

734
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: there and we're supporting me, maybe that would be doing

735
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: gallery show like mama wolf life. Honestly, I mean question

736
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: for you guys one, do you feel like you have

737
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: a tribal counsel too? Do you identify as a mama

738
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: wolf orre you still more like warrior and not a

739
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: mama wolf yet? If this is too personal, I'll leave

740
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 1: the podcast. I don't think I'm a mama wolf yet.

741
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not a mama wolf yet. Last my check,

742
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't have many kids. I have like a yeah,

743
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I love my I love my friends. I

744
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: agree with tribal counsel. Do you feel like an obligation

745
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: to like younger folk who like message you and ask

746
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: for like advice or whatever the face you just made.

747
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that I have an audience of young people,

748
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: because when I was young and like trying to find

749
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: my way in the world, I distinctly remember having this

750
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: feeling of like, wow, there's like no women that I

751
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: like admire, look up to, or like can kind of

752
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: like aspire to be like. And so to have an

753
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: audience that feels some kind of way you were like,

754
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: d I mean, Lucy Low at age twenty two, you're

755
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: an artist or an actress or all of the above,

756
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: but you were reading this book many many times. So yeah,

757
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 1: I mean well I thought, yeah, you're not a Mama

758
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: Wolf at all. Maybe I say you're a older sister Wolf.

759
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm an aspiring Mama Wolf. Okay for sure, Yeah older sister.

760
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: That sounds even older than Mama Wolf. It's so great Auntia,

761
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: great aunt Wolf. I'm very happy to have had any

762
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: kind of like influence in the lives of like young

763
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: people whatever. That's so fab Yeah, it's beautiful. But at

764
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: the same time, sometimes the requests you're like, Okay, why

765
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: don't you simmer down. Well, I'm not directly responded. I'm

766
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: having an ambient I am happy to have the support,

767
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: but like every time I m I'm not let someone

768
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: live in my apartment, you know. I mean sometimes like

769
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: I got a message their day that was just like

770
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm in Senegal and I'm persecuted from a sexuality, and

771
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a beautiful story. Yeah, but that's crazy.

772
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: Sorry from my bisexuality. Oh shout out towards Senegal. These

773
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: bis segment boots. What does she eat, what does she wear?

774
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: Does she live? Okay, what does she eat? What does

775
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: she aw? Yeah? What she mentions having that spiritual moment

776
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: outside of Rawan. I'm outside of a health food store

777
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: in La called A. She's definitely eating health foods. She's

778
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: taking a lot of supplement to. I mean, she's obsessed

779
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: with being on office Chica, which means eating quickly, running around,

780
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: sending the intern to get your cards. She's very pree Jordan.

781
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: I feel like she's so bike messenger in this very

782
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: oh nine way. But Lily, do you feel like she

783
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: ever does kind of like a spaghetti like look hall yet?

784
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: I think I think when she's in Syracuse with family,

785
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm not gonna hold back, like I'm not

786
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: gonna be rude, Like I think I'm gonna eat the

787
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: chicken palm. She never cooks whatever. Her daughter, No, she's

788
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: so Bethany. I think her and Bethany are both being like,

789
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: what do you want honey like, and they're on gold

790
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: belly like getting like. I think I think she's she's

791
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: and then baking it at home. Yeah, yes, I think

792
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: she's stirred in Annie's once. Maybe yeah, and it was

793
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: the gluten free Annies. But I think when right, when

794
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: she's in Syracuse, she's like because now she's like close

795
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: to their parents. I feel like she's like and when

796
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: the peppermonies and the cannolis come, she'll do one day

797
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: of like the big palm, yeah, and the cannolies. But

798
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: when she goes back to the city, I forget about it.

799
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: It's sweet green all the way. I mean, I think

800
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: she's going to a dinner at her Bone for sure. Yeah.

801
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I feel like also it could be she's ordering. She's like,

802
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: she's not eating. Yeah, No, she's really coveting. Then I'm

803
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: she talks about how she was like so thin and small,

804
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: and she count her twenties. I love. Oh wait, hold

805
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: on die, she says, could find She goes on her

806
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: whole fucking we're hand about the eating square farmer's market,

807
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: like she's the only person who's ever been there. She's like,

808
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: uh yeah, grocery stores be gone. Anyway. I think she's

809
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: fucking random, and she's not eating, doesn't care and cooking,

810
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: never cooking. She's she's buying. She's a un square farmers market.

811
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: She eats to live. She doesn't live to eat exactly.

812
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: She's buying apples. She's getting like a gluten free apple crumb,

813
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: saying for avon giving it to her like this delicious

814
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: is awful. Take it away from me, yes, because she's like, oh,

815
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: they have those sick turkeys and cages. Oh, and we're

816
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: supposed to fucking celebrate. Wait, wasn't Thanksgiving? She does do

817
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: any vegan signaling so that you know, eat like whatever? Yeah?

818
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: Was it not? Was in another book where she was like,

819
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: go online and look up what they do to chickens

820
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: or something that wasn't this book. Okay, sorry, listen, a

821
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: lot of these ladies are okay, but I think the

822
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: interns right are whipping up the Annie's for Eva and

823
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: they're ordering. And then she brags about going to the

824
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: farmer's market, but I'm sure it's you know. Once. She

825
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: also does something once and then says it's a lifestyle,

826
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: like she will go and be like everyone should go.

827
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: It's amazing. There's vegetables everywhere. She gave muffins to homeless

828
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: people want and then and then she's just like and

829
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: I'd often be found through Tompkins Square Park handing out muffins.

830
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: So the homeless folk. There they go, there she goes again,

831
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: the muffin Lady. It's happen once. I also, I'm sure

832
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: she's fucking going to that Whole Foods on Houston. I

833
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: do not believe that, Like every single day she's at

834
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: that Union Square Farmers market list. I was there the

835
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: other day. I bought busy. Yeah, busy, she's doing the buffet.

836
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: She's gonna you know, yeah, okay, what does she wear?

837
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: Obviously black teas out black. She's also into like very

838
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: forgiving things, tunics. She's very into Indian and yoga, garb throngs,

839
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: big like punches and tunics. And I mean when she's pregnant,

840
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: she has the whole section where she's like, my friend

841
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: told me to go buy like I couldn't wear, like

842
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: I couldn't wear maternity clothes. Oh, she buys like these

843
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: awesome sauce as like yeah, like Ashram gear or whatever. Yeah,

844
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: and I guess and not to be look cist or whatever,

845
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, I do feel like on the show like

846
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: she is mad greasy. Well yeah, thing is her thing

847
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: is not wearing makeup because she's honest and other and

848
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: busy and busy. She's honest and busy, and she's honest

849
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: about busy she is, but she could wear a little

850
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: more make people are I don't know. But like the

851
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: first question in the little Like Q and a portion

852
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: of the book is like, do you brush her hair?

853
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: And she's like, I brush it once and I get

854
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: to work and I whatever, like I put in a ponytawel.

855
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't. And it's like but always, always, always

856
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: it looks so stringy and greasy, like I don't know

857
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: her string we ultimo. I mean she's also a rocker.

858
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: I would. But at some point in the book she

859
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: alludes to wearing wigs. Yes, at the height of the

860
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: culture wars and why not wigs? It was wearing wigs

861
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: all the time, And at that opening she was wearing

862
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: a wig. Why not a wig? Then when she's well,

863
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: because I think she found then why every time we

864
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: see her she had so greasy okay, because she had

865
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: not yet decided that part of her brand was being honest.

866
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: Because the only about PRS she calls people on the

867
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: phone and she's like, listen, I'm gonna level you with you.

868
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: Not good, but this rocker, someone you want to write about,

869
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: He's going to be the next biggest things, like she

870
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: is the only honest pr woman in all of New York.

871
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: An order to make that brand consistent, she has to

872
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: on her reality show not wear makeup and have greasy hair. Well,

873
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: she says. So there's a chapter about building your brand,

874
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: and in it she says, I describe my brand today

875
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: as renegade, strategically, kookie, ballsy, bohemian, intuitive, ruthless, and loving.

876
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: So those are the adjectives that she's been really positive

877
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: towards herself. She's not using oily. I have to know

878
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: a nice you know, Hamish, she says, Amish witch at

879
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: some point, and she constantly says when they're either witches

880
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: or cunts. All throughout history, all they know how to

881
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: do is say that we're witches, are cuts and any

882
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: other country, if you were black, you're a witch, You're

883
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: a cunt. Not in New York City, baby, Like, it's

884
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: always witches and cunts. When she like takes her daughter

885
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: to Salem every year because she loves she loves that.

886
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: They say that yeah, which actually means woman in total

887
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: control of her So, yeah, she wants to impart that

888
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: lesson on to her daughter. I do because ava is

889
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: what in Kellen her seven, So I want to know

890
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: what Eva's up to. Her has a aspiring modeling career.

891
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: From looking at her, I follow Kelly on. Okay, so

892
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: it's daughter vibe. Now that Ava's like coming of age,

893
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: she's really like angling for her to be Can I

894
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: ask what the tits situation is of Ava? Yeah, I

895
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I think normal, like not okay, I don't know. No,

896
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: she's not incredibly bust. Well that's good if she wants

897
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: to be. Well, I was going to say, because I

898
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: was like, she's Italiana, so I actually was thinking that

899
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: she might be the last here rock and Stock. She's nineteen.

900
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: She did a photo shoot for Vogue recently, and oh,

901
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: very beautiful. I'm not seeing that. I mean, it's just hard.

902
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: It's talents not transmittable. No, well, I mean it's not

903
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: like Kelly Coudrom was a model. So I don't know why.

904
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: But even with like Kate Moss's daughter, you know, it's

905
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: like we're like all like entertaining and being like ha

906
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: ha yeah, like open me and you're like, what are

907
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: you thinking of these ka I think charmless, none of them.

908
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: I said this on Twitter the old day. I'll repeat myself.

909
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: None of the new girls have an ounce of compelling

910
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: attitude at all. They don't do anything. And when you

911
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: look at the way that models, who's supposed and you

912
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: look at these old pictures of Jana, she was like

913
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: having fun and being crazy and making different expressions and

914
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: moving her body in different ways. And I'm sorry, Kaya Bella,

915
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: Gigi Kendall, this girl Lila Moss like, okay, sorry, they're

916
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: a daughter looks like a slightly hotter than this viral

917
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: makeup artist that we love, Michaela the Boston Boston Bass

918
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: like Mua, yeah, like she was like a less crazy

919
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: looking Michaela. Oh, she looks like a Pittsburgh based Moa.

920
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it. She's got it's that thing where

921
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: to get your mom's in fashion? I don't know, it's

922
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: like I want her to. I mean, she's nineteen, she

923
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: needs to obviously go on her journey. But I think

924
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: these girls who's stopp being models, And you know that

925
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm very open about my issue with allahm Off. I'm

926
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: just kind of just like, if your mom is famous,

927
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: you should be like think that that's not cool, Like

928
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: you should be like, yeah, it's fucking embarrassing their mom

929
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: is like famous, Like I'm actually interested in other stuff.

930
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: You should not be like courting media attention, Like that's horrifying. No,

931
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: that's she's not punk. Yeah, she should be, like in

932
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Kelly Kat should no better. At least I

933
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: claims her daughter is fucking Willow. And she says she's

934
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: such a punk who wears all black and like dated

935
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: that punk eye in Syracuse or whatever, and like the

936
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: Ramones and loves Fanny what they called the dead the

937
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: full metal Jackets. What were you guys saying that band? Fine?

938
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: Young can find she was a publicistan for them. Whatever.

939
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: She thinks she's so cool to be punk, and yet

940
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: she's letting her daughter like that's not punk. No, she

941
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: should be I don't know, more like her conservative Italian

942
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: father who's just being like your mom was in New

943
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: York City. He has a two thousand dollars check and

944
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: you don't ever ask me for anything else, you know,

945
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: And it's like yeah no, because it's like I want

946
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: to see this hard lessons teach the daughter lessons please, Okay,

947
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: how does she live? I don't know? Again, massive boots,

948
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: how much? Just say it? One two, three, Buddha, like

949
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: she's so Buddha. She's yeah, she's so much more boot

950
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: It's like we've said Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, but it's like

951
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: every other page of this book. Well, okay, do you

952
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: think she lives in LA or New York? Truly? I

953
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: know she's by Costal. I think she lives in New York.

954
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: I kind of I think Gosh is right. I don't.

955
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: I think that she's LA now. I think that I

956
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: think she likes the like spacious caravan and like she's

957
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: because people in New York would call her on her

958
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: bullshit too much, so she has to be in LA.

959
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: She was like working as pr for like Michael Jackson's

960
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: only in the early nineties. She's only come down the

961
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: ladder since the nineties. So at a certain point, you

962
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: can't be still living in New York and have like

963
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: used to represent Steve Madden ten years ago. It's kind

964
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: of just like but in LA, no one's going to

965
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: judge you for that, and it's fine. You don't feel

966
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: the need to be like as with it and contemporary.

967
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean, and the Hills is a lot, right. I

968
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: think she says New York, but I feel like she

969
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: just has more cachet. People's revolution. It's the most as

970
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: a brands more like Los Angeles. La is more. You

971
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: guys are fully right. And I'm gonna rescind what I said.

972
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: And I think when I'm um, I think it's like

973
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: she's so La and it's like you guys are so

974
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: right and just every second she can in La, she

975
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: references like living on the avenue see yes Yes. Speaking

976
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: of bocab, Kelly Kittron was the first person who, in

977
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: my initial reading of her book, was the first person

978
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: I ever heard used the word bookoo. Wait what is

979
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: boo in the thirties less? She says, when you're in

980
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: your thirties living in bookoo money boko boko, You're the

981
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: French word. It means a lot in French. Bookoo sounds

982
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: like it's a bookoo money tonight. Are you at a restaurant? Like, yeah,

983
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: boo tonight you get that. I learned that from Kelly

984
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: good Trout, and I've been saying bookoo. The check clears,

985
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: you're like, oh we I'm like, oh my god, I'm

986
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: making bookoo money Okay, but boku got it real bookoo hours?

987
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: Who up? Boku? I guess her. I guess. Okay, the

988
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: other just only reason I will defend my answer why

989
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: I said, you're already resonded. I did restond. But I've

990
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: also seen her in Pickepsie and COVID vote mask. Yeah,

991
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: she's dead, no question. She had a vote mask and

992
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: then she threw it into a landfill. She gave it

993
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: to a homeless person and Talking Square Park, she handed

994
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: out vote masks she bought. She went to RBG dot

995
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: com order the pack of twelves and started just giving

996
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: them about homeless people. Okay, who are you in the

997
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: book Cast of Honor Josha. I mean, so you're studying

998
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: to be Kelly ConTroll my because my character is not

999
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: Kelly Cotron. She's not like a high power publicists. She's

1000
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: like a middling assistant girl. Oh okay, um. But also

1001
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm the intern who wrote the blog post

1002
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: oh my detail fired. Yeah, yeah, I'm the I'm the

1003
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: internro wrote the blog post about how terrible it was

1004
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: to work for People's revolution. That then the phone inside

1005
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: you signed an NDA. I'm gonna sit you violated the NDA.

1006
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm the bitch who violated the NDA. Yeah that's I

1007
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: love that you know. I mean, because you're known for

1008
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: your mouth. That controversial bitch. She'll let anything fall out

1009
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: of those lips. Gets so it gets so many Yeah, blogger,

1010
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: you like you make up bail and see about my

1011
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: time with Callie, Like, well, you're incredibly low level interactions.

1012
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: But exactly, I'm like, I met, I saw Callie today.

1013
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: She fell down in her product boot Like I'm yeah,

1014
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: that's definitely your friend is leaving wasteland. Hey, Dasha, have

1015
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: you seen the blocks You're blowing up? But you're like, wait,

1016
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm just making up Like wait what open that? Like?

1017
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: He like, I get that call, I get the call.

1018
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see your whole family, And I'm like, oh

1019
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: my god, I better take it down real quick. I

1020
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: love what she says. I'm gonna sue your whole family.

1021
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: That's Italian. No, that's so shoue. All of a sudden

1022
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: the end of the book, it gets like full mob wobs.

1023
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: She's like that's Italian, and that's Talian and that's Italian.

1024
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, pies on um. Stephen, you one

1025
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: of the interbles who was like making out in the

1026
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: gallery and then your okay, Steven, I think you're the

1027
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: gay partner becomes the heart. Oh yeah, who Then she

1028
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: sells the company, Yeah, Ken or whatever we call like

1029
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: mix something. I'm so spying the company. She was like,

1030
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm super stressed. Will you buy this for

1031
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: me for forty five thousand dollars? Oh? Let me look

1032
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: my wallet, actually a forty five thousand dollars sparing cash.

1033
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: I can actually do that today. Weird, okay, but yeah,

1034
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: I am that gay and I also picture that gay.

1035
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: Like so this is partly because I'm watching Bethanese show,

1036
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: but there's a gay on Bethanese show who unfortunately identify with,

1037
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: who has like the most just like you know, shaped eyebrows,

1038
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: and like is wearing like so like wearing like makeup

1039
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: for men in that way that like make men now

1040
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: do where they're wearing like just enough concealer. It's like

1041
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: a spread on concealer. Um, I mean. And he writes Bethany,

1042
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: that's really obscene queus letter because she fires him, and

1043
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: then he's just like, I admire you and I love

1044
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: you so much, and I think you're an incredible entrepreneur

1045
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: and I want the chance to work for you again.

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Speaker 1: And she rehires him. You are that, but you're also

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Speaker 1: what you said you. Kelly Catrone is working door, one

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: of her girls are working door, and you are you

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Speaker 1: who gets like into the exclusive random mercer party. Could

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Speaker 1: Weinberg and associate Weinberg. I've been craving a partner who

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Speaker 1: could have len professional support and fetch with me over

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Speaker 1: the insane people in situations that filled my day. Jason

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01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: was Jewish, gay, charming and dashing, and what we lacked

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01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: in knowledge me more than made up for an attitude

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: the way that that's the way that so many girls

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Speaker 1: have described me as Jewish and dashing. Ironically, even though

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Speaker 1: it was all you Jewish, I was so. I was

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: called anti Semitic today by someone who was trying to

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01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: cancel me post by this person just la. But most

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Speaker 1: people think I'm Jewish, yea many most of my close

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01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: friend I don't. But I would say thank you with

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01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: that would sound anti sematic. But I grew up in

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Speaker 1: Jewish now. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I

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01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: was a very familiar culture quit now, but I could

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Speaker 1: I would imagine that a Kelly Cotrone like person would

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, another gay Joe, who I can great. Yeah, yeah,

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01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: he's got a little like leather bound folio with Well,

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01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You have a satchel and she you know,

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: she takes no shit and she talks crazy and that's

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01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: the thing that's like, and you don't mind talking crazy

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01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: to her. That's something going. I can give it. I

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01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: can dish it like I can take it. Yeah, who

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01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: am I? In the book? Who are you? Um? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll say it. It's not in the let's just say

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01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: she doesn't like know oh wait, she like doesn't know

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01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: any lesbians, but she referenced references that one lesbian couple

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Speaker 1: who thinks it's her competition to get into a prot's

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01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: a private school. She's like, and that's your worst enemy

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01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: in interracial as being a couple for a private school.

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01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: Who I don't. I don't think I am. I think

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Speaker 1: my former cleaning company that I used to work for.

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: I think they're sending me to Kelly Catrone's People's Revolution

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: Loft office. And she's saying very nervous about price, do

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01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: details do this? I'm going once and Kelly Cotrone is

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01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: complaining about me so so much, and she's like, this

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01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: person is disgusting. Um, they missed the bathroom, they missed

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01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: the corner, and then she's still rehiring you. Yeah, and

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01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm going back and I have to and they're like,

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01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: and I'm going back randomly for free to clean my mistakes,

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01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: and then maybe a third time and then but then

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Speaker 1: Kelly is taking you to like the muffin place. Maybe

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: she's gotten me. I'm giving my homeless maid here. You

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: got here, here's your muffin and this is your lesson

1094
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: and you're going to conquer the world and email and

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: you're not really cut out for this, but I see

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01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: something melts in you. Well, I think we nailed at Yeah, y'all.

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01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: I give us a freaking ten out of ten. I'm

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01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, as as our guests has noted, it's the

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01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of book you can read three people four times,

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01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: just revisited over and over over the course of your life.

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01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: And like pay potentially advice that Kelly has to give

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01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: you because it's taken me really hard, like succession, and

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01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: ultimately you're on succession. Like and I do think you

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01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: know one of her main things is like, go do

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01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: that thing you think you might want to do. Like

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: I feel like she has something I feel some cut off.

1107
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: She's like, until you're like thirty five or whatever. Yeah, yeah, which,

1108
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's true. It's really a book for people

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01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 1: like in their twenties early thirties, our loss and that's

1110
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: when I read it and look at me. Now, that's

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01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: very much the age of us and the age of

1112
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: our listeners. And I think that like, pack it up

1113
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: if you have any even scant idea in your head

1114
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I want to record a reggae album

1115
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: in Vancouver. I want to marry like a musclely Greek guy.

1116
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: I want to be in a thruple and sell polo.

1117
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: Like do those things now and figure out if you

1118
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: like them or not, because she says the more you

1119
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: find out actually that that thing doesn't work for you,

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01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: then the clothes you get to the thing that doesn't

1121
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: want It's like great, So you actually don't like fixing

1122
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,959
Speaker 1: muscle cars. Now you know you're not going to wonder

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01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: till you're ag Yeah. Wow, okay, Well go to sell polo.

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Speaker 1: As Megan McCain says, buy the ticket, take the ride,

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Speaker 1: Hall yeah, Hall yes, horns up. Megan. I would like

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Speaker 1: to thank our guests so much for joining. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming' happy to be here. I love

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Speaker 1: the pod. It's really the only pot I listened to. Okay, huge, Wow.

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Speaker 1: Do you even listen to your own? No? Yeah, same,

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01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't listen to my pody either. My boyfriend's from

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01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: Boston's there's like something for everyone. Oh wait, get out,

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: get out? No, sir, does he listen? Yeah? Yeah, I

1133
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: listened to it with my friend when we like drive places.

1134
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: See that's so hot when your boyfriend has a car

1135
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 1: and drive. We just listened to it and we laugh

1136
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: a lot and we have a good time. Yeah, I'm

1137
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: not so cute. Okay, that's the cutest thing I've ever

1138
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: heard of, a couple where one person is from Boston

1139
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: and they listen because I'm a friendly. Can I get

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Speaker 1: your contract? Infoe? I would love to put you in

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Speaker 1: a gallery show I'm thinking of. Yeah, listen to us

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Speaker 1: doing this bright new now, um and we will see

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