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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJM, Bucky

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Speaker 1: with you, Buck? What's going on? Man? Man? I'm good.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? You had to anchor a lot

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Speaker 1: of the coverage, a lot of talking. Yeah, you're doing

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Speaker 1: the same thing and you can do the pre show

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Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, it's it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: talking about it is fun. Man. I do want to

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Speaker 1: heard in in Annapolis after a week at the Combine.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, I do want to get

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Speaker 1: your take on the value of it still, your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the participation level from both the players standpoint as

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Speaker 1: well as from a you know, a team attendance standpoint,

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Speaker 1: but just your your overall takeaway where things are right

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Speaker 1: now with the Combine. I think it still has great value.

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Speaker 2: I think what we've seen are guys who participate in

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Speaker 2: it are more prepared than ever.

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Speaker 1: We could go and reckon and.

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Speaker 2: Say this was the most explosive athletic class that we've

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Speaker 2: seen based on those who participated.

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Speaker 1: So there's certainly value in being able to see that.

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Speaker 1: And let's be real.

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Speaker 2: The fact that several of the top guys performed, and

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Speaker 2: particularly on defense, several of them performed back to back

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Speaker 2: to back. It allowed you to make good compare and

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Speaker 1: So I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love to Jeremiah Love participated as a top AAC,

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Speaker 2: I liked all of that. Now, when it comes to

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Speaker 2: James Glastone, Liam Cohen, Tony bi Selling not being there.

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Speaker 2: But I can tell you all their scouts were there.

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Speaker 2: And some of that was to wipe away what we've

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was talking to some position coaches and I

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Speaker 1: We make the pick. Yeah, and then again last thing

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Speaker 2: And here's what I say, like and I think Toy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of different things there. So I had

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Speaker 1: you know, fits of like where does he make sense?

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Speaker 1: And the one that does make the most sense when

437
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: we said on the air, was Arizona. But not not

438
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Speaker 1: picking up there in the top ten. To me, it's

439
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Speaker 1: the second round. If you wanted to trade back into

440
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the first Okay, I could you know

441
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: conceivably see that. I think there's more value there for

442
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: him in the second round and the other team that

443
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: he fits. It's not clean because of their situation, but

444
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 1: offensively he does fit what KOC does in Minnesota. And

445
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: I know they've got I know they've got JJ there,

446
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: and it's he has barely played and he's young, and gosh,

447
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: you hate to be given up on someone. But I

448
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: don't get the sense, at least you know, around the combine,

449
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: not talking to anybody from Minnesota, but just kind of

450
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: the general sense you get around the league. He's like,

451
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna work, so and I

452
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 1: don't think they would do it at eighteen. So it's

453
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: like do you try and get extra picks and try

454
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 1: and play that whole game? But those are the two

455
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 1: teams that kind of made sense. And the last thing

456
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Speaker 1: I'll say, Buck is when I went through just as

457
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Speaker 1: the next sis, I'm like, I'm going to go through

458
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Speaker 1: Tisco leaders in the NFL at quarterback position, and I'm

459
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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna keep going until I get to somebody

460
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Speaker 1: who I think is you know that has similar kind

461
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Speaker 1: of maybe a lack of size and a lack of

462
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Speaker 1: like just pure top end top shelf arm strength. Like

463
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Speaker 1: I went down ironically to the two Alabama guys. I

464
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: got to I got to Tua, and I got to Bryce,

465
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: and those guys are very I mean, I think we

466
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Speaker 1: would have you know, you tell I don't want to

467
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Speaker 1: put words them mouth, but those guys to me, are

468
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: very very scheme and they're very dependent on their environment.

469
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Speaker 1: You got to have all the right pieces in there

470
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Speaker 1: for them. And I feel the same way about Tie.

471
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Speaker 1: He goes into the right offense, the right situation, the

472
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: right supporting cast. I think he can be successful, but

473
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Speaker 1: he's with those other Alabama quarterbacks to me, and that

474
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Speaker 1: has to be in place.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think like and I know people

476
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Speaker 2: talk about, oh, well he was on the team for

477
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 2: a long time. Any practice, but there's nothing like game reps.

478
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: And we've seen and it's been documented. You think about

479
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: bo Knicks coming with sixty plus stars in the transition

480
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: that he made into the league successful. You think about

481
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: Brock Purdy being mister Irrelevant having forty plus stars when

482
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 2: he entered the league, in the success that he had.

483
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: I mean, we just don't have a long list of

484
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Speaker 2: names of guys who have fifteen or fewer stars who've

485
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: had success. It's just a hard road to travel.

486
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Speaker 1: That's it.

487
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Speaker 2: You talk about scheme fits, and I noticed you talked

488
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Speaker 2: about KOC you mentioned Arizona. Whether if we're going to

489
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Speaker 2: throw those families into it, I'm like, well, the Rams,

490
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: and I think the Rams ideally would be.

491
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Speaker 1: A perfect fit.

492
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Speaker 2: Just because Matthew Savage dead, they have a starting quarterback,

493
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: there's not a rush to get them on the field.

494
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Speaker 2: I feel strongly about Sean McVay and Company's ability to

495
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Speaker 2: develop quarterbacks. Pretty Much everyone who has played there has worked.

496
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Speaker 2: And to me and my notes, when I looked at

497
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: Todd Simpson, I wrote down brock Predy and Baker Mayfield.

498
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: We saw what that offense looked like.

499
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Speaker 2: With Baker Mayfield when he had to jump in for

500
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Speaker 2: the Rams, And even though the arm talent isn't the same,

501
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Speaker 2: it does give you a vision for how Sean McVay

502
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Speaker 2: would utilize him and those things.

503
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Speaker 1: That's it.

504
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the first pick that the Rams

505
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Speaker 2: are talking about. I'm talking about the bottom of the

506
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Speaker 2: second round, bottom of the first round, where you're like, Okay,

507
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: here's the perfect spot, because this is closer to where

508
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: the value matches the projection. I would be okay at

509
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: the bottom of the first, but hearing what I'm hearing

510
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: about him and people talking about top six, I was like, no,

511
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't sign up for that one.

512
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: No, I can't either. And the problem with the Rams

513
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 1: thing is, yes, he fits that offense perfectly. He could.

514
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Speaker 1: You know, Sean McVay has had this type of quarterback.

515
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Speaker 1: The problem is he had Jared Goff and realized Jared

516
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Goff he didn't feel like was good enough. He wanted

517
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: he wanted more, more, He wanted more, wanted more, So

518
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: he moves on for him and go get Matthew Stafford.

519
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: Now Stafford is the MVP of the league. But I

520
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: don't think this is a five year, one runway they

521
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: have there. They're this close to winning a super Bowl,

522
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: and there's everybody expects that whenever Stafford moves on, there's

523
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: a decent chance that Sean McVay moves on. So this

524
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: is their time right now. And I have a hard

525
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: time wrapping my brain around the fact that you're going

526
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Speaker 1: to use a precious resource that could be the difference.

527
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: They are a drop punt away from going to the

528
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Speaker 1: super Bowl last year. Buck like you could get a

529
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: player at either of those first round picks could be

530
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Speaker 1: the difference of you hoisting a Lombardi troph you're not.

531
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Speaker 1: I can't wrap my brain around Sean McVay stamping that

532
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: and saying, yeah, let's get a quarterback for the future. Oh,

533
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: by the way, he's not going to be anywhere close

534
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Speaker 1: to his talented as stafford, and I might not even

535
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Speaker 1: be here to coach him because I might be going

536
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: in doing television at that point in time. I can't

537
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Speaker 1: get my head there. I can't well that.

538
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Speaker 2: As you said, the staff they had the perfect analogy.

539
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: We're going to use our own David Singer. So, flying

540
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: back from the combine, the booking staff convinced Singer to

541
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Speaker 2: upgrade and sit in first class. Yeah, and we said single,

542
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: once she starts sitting the first class, it's gonna be

543
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: a game change.

544
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: It's can be hard to go back behind the curtain.

545
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: And so as you're talking about with Sean McVay, after

546
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: he's played with an MVP, a guy who has tremendous,

547
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: exceptional A plus arm talent is going to be hard

548
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: to go back to a non prototypical guy say yes,

549
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: sign me up for this for the next decade.

550
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Speaker 1: That was a good point that you made yeah, because

551
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Speaker 1: I'm yeah. The other two it's a great analogy. The

552
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: other two things I would say real quick is Baker

553
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: Mayfield played a ton of football, built like a wrestler,

554
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: strong arm. Rock Perdy played a ton of football. He

555
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: lost all that weight. Remember he'd lost like fifteen pounds

556
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: to get to get down because he had gotten so

557
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: muscled up and strong and thick, and now look arms

558
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: strength wise, I think Perdy and Tire there's more similarities there,

559
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: but they had just played so much more football. I

560
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: like him. I like Tysimson. I think he's got a

561
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: chance to be a starter and have a chance to

562
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: be successful. But you got to the right fit. Arizona

563
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: makes them by far to me, the most sense of

564
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: any of the options. But then it's where does that land?

565
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: So I know it's just kind of a topic everybody's

566
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: hitting on. But that's uh, I think we kind of

567
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: handled all areas of that whole thing.

568
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, look that that's the topic that

569
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: everyone is hitting on. I want to get you on

570
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: the running backs, and uh, it was funny because you

571
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: may mention not a lot of running backs worked out

572
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: like it was a small collection. But at the top

573
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: of the charge Jeremiah. I love working out. Look, man,

574
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Speaker 2: I knew he was really good and I could tell

575
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: in watching the clips not only don't tape, but like

576
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: to practice stuff him going through the bags and stuff.

577
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: They're like he has some juice.

578
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: I did not know he was the athlete that he

579
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Speaker 2: displayed in Indianapolis.

580
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: That was really present. Workout. Yeah, that was phenomenal. I

581
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: mean I I toyed with the idea of he's my

582
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: second player. There's only one more spot for him to go,

583
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, would be to put him in the number

584
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: one position. But I mean I probably just stick with

585
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: the quarterback at this point in time with Mendoza. But

586
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: he can I'm not you know, with anybody that says

587
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: he's the best player in the draft. It's all you know,

588
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: it's all right there. He can do everything. I thought.

589
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: Jadari and Price had a really good workout. Ran in

590
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: the high four fours. He did a nice job. The

591
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: you know Washington junior from Arkansas. He's you know, either

592
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: the third or the fourth guy, however you want to

593
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: look at it. To me, and I know the Nebraska

594
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: kid had a good workout as well. So I mean

595
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: that those are those are those are the four guys

596
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: For me, I think that's to me clearly the top four.

597
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: However you want to stack it, however you want to

598
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: order it, those are the four guys one for sure

599
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: in round one. I think the other three all go

600
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: on stay two. Yeah.

601
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Speaker 2: No, it's interesting in terms of because you've talked about this,

602
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: because you had a chance to see him up clost

603
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: and personal at the Senior Bow, and that's Mike Washington.

604
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: I just dj what we do know in this league,

605
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: like people can choose to make their back by committee

606
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: situation one of a few different ways. One you can

607
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: have the number one back, you have a change of

608
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: pace back as number two, and the third back is

609
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: more like the number one back, So the number two

610
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: guy never has his role change. When I look at

611
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: Washington and I think about that RB situation that most

612
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: teams operate, I mean, you just don't find guys that

613
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: are a big, fast and physical man. I'm talking about

614
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: a big man that's four to three to three thirty

615
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: nine is vertical, which speaks to his explosiveness. You saw

616
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: him down to the Senior Bowl where he quitted himself

617
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: really well, yeah, you're talking about someone we win the

618
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: day two category. If we're looking at backs, he's in

619
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: that conversation and it's one of those steady climbs up

620
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: to chart throughout this process. But I would say, like,

621
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: even though he just to afford into jumps, really impressed

622
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: seeing a big man run like that.

623
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's big and runs hard and he ran over

624
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: the Texas safety taff. Oh my gosh, that was nasty.

625
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: But anyways, those are the those are kind of top

626
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: guys there. I do like the Wake Forest kids, a

627
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: change of pace guy. He's one hundred and eighty eight pounds,

628
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: but he's likely. Yeah, he ran four seven and the

629
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: problem with him he's got eight drops. So just as

630
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: a runner, I like him as an undersized angel pace, juicy,

631
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: bursty back. We's got to catch the ball better if

632
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, have more of a role at

633
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: the next level at that size receiver position. Buck, Is

634
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: there one or one or two guys that stood out

635
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: to you with what they did?

636
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: Bras are running the time was impressive, like four three seven.

637
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: I kind of felt like he was the vertical stretch guy.

638
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: The comparisons people have made to Christian Wison to me

639
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: come to light when you see him run that kind

640
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: of time. I would say the take the forties and

641
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: stuff aside, I would say on field, I think to me,

642
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: we've talked about like the on field the craftsman. I

643
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: think Makay Lemon showed up will even though like he's

644
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: gotten like a lot of flag for podium approach, interviews

645
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: and those things.

646
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: I think when we get to the ballpart, that's where

647
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: he shines.

648
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: He in his his buddyt Jakobe like they kind of

649
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: showed up and did their thing. So I was impressed

650
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: with that. But overall, Man, just the speed of the

651
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: group kind of stood out to me.

652
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's some good names. I'll give you two more.

653
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: Casey conception. I thought he did a really nice job

654
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: out of A and M. He caught the ball, well,

655
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: that was going to be the thing because of the drops.

656
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: He had seven drops, so how does he catch it?

657
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: Thought he did a really nice job there. Overall, Man

658
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: ted Hurst running as well as he did out of

659
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: Georgia State running four four to two was good to see.

660
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: Jeremy Bernard is going to be a really really good player.

661
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: I talked about JSN Light when I watched him, not

662
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: in terms of the size, but just as the player,

663
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: like just a little lesser version of that. But I

664
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: think he's going to go. I think he's got a

665
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: really good shot of going in the second round book.

666
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: You know, Look when I wrote him up, man, I

667
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: wrote him up as a second round all day, and

668
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: to me, he was in easy evail just because of

669
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: how smooth and fluid he was. Look, he had a

670
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: step in everyplace Ryan Williams. Because Ryan Williams was struggling

671
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: with the drops and all the other stuff.

672
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: He came in.

673
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: It kind of became their most dependable receiver, had a

674
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: lot of production route runner chain over to me over

675
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: the middle, I wrote down in my notes ideal number

676
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: two receiver. I think he confirmed that because he's even

677
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: faster than maybe I thought. I had given him a

678
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: day two grade, and I think he just kind of

679
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: slidifies himself as the middle of the second round type

680
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: of prospect.

681
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: No doubt the tight end. Sadik not a surprise ran

682
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: four three nine, did not do the field workout, didn't

683
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: get a chance to see Max Claire do anything. So

684
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing him, you know, at the pro

685
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: day and see what he runs. Eli Stowers ran four

686
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: or five one jumped out of the you know, broke

687
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: all the jump records. He was excellent. I like Martin Klein,

688
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: Marlin Klein from Michigan to potentially be a better pro

689
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: than he was in college. A couple guys, a couple

690
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: of big guys, didn't run. I was shocked. I don't

691
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: know where he's at from a health standpoint. I have

692
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: to go check. But Michael Trigg is super, super athletic

693
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: and explosive, but didn't get a chance to see him

694
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: do anything. And then Royer from Cincinnati didn't get a

695
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: chance to see him do anything. So those guys I

696
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: thought would test well work out well, but I haven't

697
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: seen it yet. Yeah no. And Dylan Bentley from Utah

698
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: is a guy. He surprised me with how he moved around.

699
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like and look at I f only love the

700
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: game even though he only has one year production. The

701
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: way they move him around, slid out wide and empty,

702
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: just really patient as a round runner, but moving around

703
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: showing the explosiveness that he just played. This is a

704
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: really good tight end class to me. I think we've

705
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: seen the last couple of years man, these mid round

706
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: tight ends that have immediately impacted the team.

707
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I think we'll continue to see that with his twenty

708
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: twenty six class. Yeah, Bentley's gonna be a little bit older.

709
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna be twenty five years old. But forty eight catches,

710
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: no drops, They move him around. I thought he was

711
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: fast enough. Turns out at four six two, he's plenty

712
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: fast enough, but he can adjust plug catch the ball.

713
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: He's got some size two hundred fifty three pounds over

714
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: sixty four, so he was one. I thought Buck bucks

715
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: a little higher on him than I am. I'm not.

716
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm I'm digging him. And then

717
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: I watched him go through the workout. I think a

718
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: Bucky Bucky. This realed one in the boat right there,

719
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: got one on that one, on that one, So I

720
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: gotta do a little more work on him. But he

721
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: looked good. And then let's just finish up the offense,

722
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: Buck and we'll save the defense for the next podcast

723
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: later in the week. So if we're just looking at

724
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: those offensive linemen, you kind of clump them up together.

725
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: But what did you see, well, one man, just the

726
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: way these guys move DJ like, it's it's crazy.

727
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: Right.

728
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: We talked about the tackles and how they move and

729
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: I thought the differentiation between the right tackles and the

730
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: left tackles and how they flowed, I can go anywhere

731
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: in there, I think.

732
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: And looking at Lemieux, I knew he was gonna test

733
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: like that.

734
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: Klem I knew he was going to test and do

735
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: that his buddy, uh specifinal like.

736
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Testing like that. Both of those guys, I kind of

737
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: expected what I saw.

738
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: I would just say, Blake Miller, Monroe freeling all those guys,

739
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: like everybody can't go in the first round, but man,

740
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: fifty DJ features a lot of guys that man, you're

741
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: gonna pick and you can drop them right into the

742
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: starting lineup and have a lot of success on the

743
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: front line.

744
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: So I have seven tackles I think could go in

745
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: the first round, and then after that, I think there's

746
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: a drop off. I think you might not see anybody.

747
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: You might see a full round gap after those seven.

748
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: So whatever happens when we have that Clumpbut they all

749
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: go yeah, all yeah. If they don't get one of

750
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: the seven, you're not getting somebody that you feel great

751
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: about coming in and starting year one. Then you're getting

752
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: into more of the project guys, and that's more the

753
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: third round where those guys typically go. But so when

754
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: I got to whenever we do the next mock draft,

755
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at going, Okay, now I know what's going. Fano,

756
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: who you know has his shorter arms but literally worked

757
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: out at center, can play any of the five spots,

758
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: is a really good player. He's going to go in

759
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: the first round. Blake Miller is almost six foot seven,

760
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventeen pounds, ran five h four fifty

761
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: four stars high school wrestler. You know, did over thirty

762
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: reps in the bench like he's check. Yeah, I mean

763
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: we called him the thirty thirty thirty guys. I don't

764
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: know what his wonderlick is, but he used to be

765
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: if you could bench jump and have over a thirty

766
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: wonderlick an offensive lineman, like, it's hard to ever fail

767
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: with those guys. Monroe Freeling hadn't played a lot. He

768
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: is just kind of a one year guy. There's not

769
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps, but he's six seven and changed

770
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: threehundred fifteen pounds and four nine three. You know, he

771
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: can really really move. He can bend the mom The

772
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: yoga instructor I think helps with that. He's going He's

773
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: probably gonna go. In the first half of the first round,

774
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: Proctor ran you know, worked out well at three hundred

775
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: and fifty two pounds, which is actually the light for him,

776
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: which was good. Low Moo's going from Utah who you referenced,

777
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: and then so then that's the six of them. So

778
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: then to me, it's I am not sure from Asu

779
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: is next in that mix. He's my thirty fourth guy.

780
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: He's the seventh tackle. But if you have a need

781
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: at the tackle position, well, guess what. They don't get

782
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: the free agency because those guys never gets You're not

783
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: getting one that you're gonna love there. Then you don't

784
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: take him, you're not getting one. So I think those

785
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: guys are all going to go. Not to mention, you've

786
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: got Yowani, the guard from Penn State's gonna go. And

787
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: there's a couple other interior guys that you know pregnant.

788
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: I think maybe early second. But these linemen are going

789
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: to go, is all I'm getting. At The receivers are

790
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: going to fall. Some of these other guys are gonna fall.

791
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: With the offensive lineman. If you don't take one, you

792
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: don't get one.

793
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: Yes, applying them in and that is going to be

794
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: really a parent when it comes to the front line.

795
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: In the early in the mock drafting phase, we always

796
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: tend to put the wide receivers update at the bottom

797
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: of the first round, anticipating your run.

798
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: You're right there, canna be more of the.

799
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: Bigs to go because the supply and demand of the

800
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: bigs there is a tremendous drop off after you get

801
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: to number seven, and if.

802
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: You don't get it early, ain't gonna be around late

803
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: when you come back around. No. Now, I love the

804
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: interior Day two group. You want an interior linement. I

805
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: think free agency has a better group of interior guys

806
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: than tackles this year because you can get those in

807
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: free agency. The tackles don't ever get to the market. Well,

808
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: that's the you know. In this draft class, I thought

809
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: the combine kind of did show there's some guys here

810
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: when you look at I talked about Joanna from Penn State.

811
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: Asantis is a day nice. He's got the little, short,

812
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: little arms, but he has got incredible feet, He's got

813
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: incredible power. Three hundred and fifteen pounds Rutlets from Georgia

814
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: Tech's going to go on Day two. Dunker from Iowa

815
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: is going to go on day two pregnant again. These

816
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: guys are all going in there. Logan Jones, the center

817
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: from Iowa, had a phenomenal workout, maybe three slash four,

818
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: But like that's a that's a that's a lot of guys,

819
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 1: you know for the interior. Yeah, a lot of guys.

820
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm even curious about uh Patant's teammate read Alums, just

821
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: because he's so big.

822
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: And the balloon is another one.

823
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, you just have so

824
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: many guys that can play. And I know people will

825
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: talk about maybe the lack of pizzazz in his class,

826
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: but this is a mean potatoes draft to me.

827
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: This is one where you can find the solid.

828
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: Players, the key role players that you need to have

829
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: win a championship caliber squad.

830
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a good group there.

831
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: Man.

832
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Well this was this was fun kind of rolling through

833
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: these offensive guys and we'll say the defense for next time.

834
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: But a fun week at the combine. Man, great job,

835
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: I use great to catch up with you. Great to

836
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: see everybody out there. And uh, now we get free

837
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: agency coming and uh and things all get shaken up here.

838
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: Looking forward to it. It should be a lot of fun.

839
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: I can't wait, no question. All right, let's get some sleep.

840
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us. We'll see you next

841
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: time right here, motsticks