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Speaker 2: coming out there in a little bit, Plus Chris Felika

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Speaker 2: football this weekend. Who next hour we'll have we'll discuss

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Speaker 2: the Browns Titans. Uh which could be the Toilet Bowl, right,

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Speaker 2: the toilet Bowl if it's bowl game in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: or it's Shadoor versus cam Ward. Daniel Jeremiah will join

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Speaker 2: us next hour. We'll get his thoughts on how Shador played. Uh,

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Speaker 2: And we'll also get you ready for this NFL weekend,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get a little Herbie update, Little Justin Herbert

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Speaker 2: what if I told you? What if I told you

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Speaker 2: that I was going to compare the Dallas Cowboys with

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Speaker 2: my Green Bay Phoenix, Like, Okay, that's a stretch. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it's it's not really. Uh, there's a an NFL game

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Speaker 2: night in a college basketball game night, and I kind

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Speaker 2: of think I kind of think there's some similarities there.

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Speaker 2: Jay Stu, you like to pick holes in these things.

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Speaker 2: You are in search of the opposite of whatever BS is, right,

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Speaker 2: that's you know you love content. I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 2: some content. You'd tell me if it's too much of

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Speaker 2: its armstrong. Tonight, the Dallas Cowboys take out the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 2: Dallas coming off big win on Thanksgiving Day and proving

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Speaker 2: many myself included, who thought they would they were playing

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Speaker 2: for a draft pick next year, wrong, that they're actually

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Speaker 2: pretty good. Now, are they great? No, I don't think

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Speaker 2: anybody would argue otherwise. But they're way better then I

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Speaker 2: would say any of us non Cowboy fans thought possible.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a very easy like there's grandiose statements

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Speaker 2: as much as I could say they're way better than

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Speaker 2: anyone would have thought, there's plenty of Dallas Cowboy fans

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Speaker 2: who think every year like, oh, win super Bowl. So

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Speaker 2: when I say they're way better, I mean they're way

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Speaker 2: Cowboy fans, if you ask yourself honestly, when they trade

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Speaker 2: be bad this year, bad bad, And they've been pretty good.

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Speaker 2: But coming off of that win, the key to being

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Speaker 2: the Darling of the NFL the past couple of years,

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Speaker 2: like we could do an entire show on the Lions

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, where people poach your coordinators and

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Speaker 2: they haven't. They've they've proven the doubters wrong in terms

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Speaker 2: or they're mediocre their average. You win tonight and you're like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: well that's different, right, that's different. You beat the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: and again the Chiefs are not the Chiefs of old,

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Speaker 2: but you did beat the Chiefs in the most watched

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Speaker 2: They've lost most of their team from last year, but

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Speaker 2: a win and it's just you're not terrible. We can't

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Speaker 2: same with the Green Bay Phoenix. Jase, do, how am

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Speaker 4: No, I think the analogy face value is accurate. I

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Speaker 4: The Cowboys can switch out all fifty three players this

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Speaker 4: year as you did, you know, stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but but in fairness, like we lost Anthony Roy,

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Speaker 2: last ye year, right, and they trade away Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 2: I didn't trade again. There are some very loose parallels,

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Speaker 2: but the point is that's what I feel like tonight's

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott's been really good for the most part this year,

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Speaker 2: not the whole not the whole season. I've never been

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Speaker 2: and considering what he's dealing with in terms of the

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Speaker 2: he's done really well. George Pickens, who was a complete

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Speaker 2: There's also the lion's side to it, which is I

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Speaker 2: what I see in Dan Campbell is what uh I

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Speaker 2: think there's there's it's just interesting and that there's nothing

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Speaker 2: There's not a we're doing this to come back and

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like if you watch the Browns on

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Speaker 2: the play action. We score a touchdown. I think Campbell's

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Speaker 2: done before. Again, I can see part of myself in

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Speaker 2: I've seen people tell him say he should have been

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Speaker 2: then keep your hands off fit because that's what's worked

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Speaker 2: for them. But this is an interesting Thursday night football game.

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Speaker 2: Most of them are not most of them are not

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Speaker 2: You can't make that case because both of these teams

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Speaker 2: That does not mean that the product will be as

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Speaker 2: the playoff, the Cowboys are trying to sneak into the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys are trying to do more than just earn

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Speaker 2: everybody's respect. They're trying to prove that they're good. And

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Speaker 6: So what I think is interesting tonight is if you

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Speaker 5: You mentioned Brian Schottenheimer.

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Speaker 6: There was a point that Dallas had Kellen Moore as

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Speaker 6: we can't let Kellen Moore go because look at what

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Speaker 6: he's doing with this Dallas offense. Well, Kellen Moore was

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Speaker 6: Well he maybe it was his offense after all. Well,

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Speaker 6: ultimately McCarthy doesn't return on his contract and Brian Schottenheimer

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Speaker 6: To your point about the expectations, my question is this,

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Speaker 6: is there going to become a point in Detroit where

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Speaker 6: they wish they had Ben Johnson instead of Dan Campbell. Yes,

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Speaker 6: And I think that's probably the case as well. And

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Speaker 6: I think like tonight is an opportunity for Dan Campbell

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Speaker 6: to show and the Lions to show that even down

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Speaker 6: that they still have that pride, that grit and everything

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Speaker 6: that came with it. And I think that the reason

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Speaker 6: for the long term, maybe that would have been your move.

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Speaker 6: But I'm wondering if we're seeing two ships passing in

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Speaker 6: the night tonight, maybe Cowboys ascending, Lions descending. But I

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Speaker 6: think now we're going to start to have those conversations

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Speaker 6: considering how well things have gone for the Bears in

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Speaker 6: year one with Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 4: In their history for this right that we've seen this

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Speaker 4: movie before, Right, wasn't didn't wasn't Dick Vermeal convinced to

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Speaker 4: What was is Steve Bolotti convinced to step down or

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Speaker 4: move aside for Chip Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Steve, his brother Steve was also in within the

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Speaker 2: I don't care on here, but it is interesting. The

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Speaker 2: So he is he is. He's a Tomlin type. He

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Speaker 2: I just thought there was some parallels there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I agree with you that that will

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Speaker 2: The Bears was the one he had his eye on,

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Speaker 2: But I also don't think there's any reality where they

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Tanner Angstrom two left with Aaron Glenn to go

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Speaker 5: So there was more.

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Speaker 6: You know, they've lost more on that offensive coaching staff

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Speaker 7: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 7: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on

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Speaker 2: It's a Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: Chase do Doug. It's Horizon League twenty twenty five, twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six. It begins tonight. You are going up against

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Speaker 7: There's a question that needs an answer, and the answer

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Speaker 2: No, I'm the head coach.

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Speaker 5: I get to set the schedule.

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Speaker 4: Hold on, let's ask the coach before I asked my question.

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Speaker 4: I do want to say I'm very proud of Veto

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Speaker 4: there coming back from the Caribbean, you know, and you've

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Speaker 2: Well, we played our last two games without our leading score.

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Speaker 2: The guys really struggled with confidence. I mean, one, we

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Speaker 2: And I thought that is a huge takeaway that the

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Speaker 2: And that's what I chose to do, which so I

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Speaker 2: good point and that has happened.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the coach Sam Kinsley from the Tumwa is It

435
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Speaker 8: Dispatch Union Tribune. I see your your slight favorite in

436
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Speaker 8: this game? Is this the first time as you coach

437
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Speaker 8: at UW Green Bay? You guys have been a favorite.

438
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Speaker 8: How does that feel? What do you tell your players?

439
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Speaker 2: I don't even know.

440
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Speaker 8: Oh, I just I just poisoned the well.

441
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Speaker 4: I don't think you. To be honest, I might see

442
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 4: it's not true.

443
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: It's not not true. That feel good?

444
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Speaker 5: But how do you keep that in? Coaches know, they

445
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Speaker 5: just may not say that. They don't.

446
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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, Coach Sutton used to it never worked in

447
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: our favor. Whatever the line was right, like if we

448
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Speaker 2: were we're getting ready to play Oklahoma where a six

449
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: point Vegas thinks you're a six point They don't know

450
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Speaker 2: you are terrible. You they don't know anything about this?

451
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Speaker 2: How good? The Sooners are, and then if you were

452
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Speaker 2: an underdog, he would say, even Vegas doesn't think you're

453
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Speaker 2: any good. It never worked to our favorite. So Coach

454
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Speaker 2: Sutton alwaysknew the lines. I generally do know the lines,

455
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Speaker 2: and I you know, it's hard, but like when you're

456
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: constantly a massive underdog, you sit there and go like, hey,

457
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: we're a fricking underdog. Man, We're way better than this,

458
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Speaker 2: But you can't say anything, and I don't know. So

459
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: what does it mean? Again? It means that Vegas doesn't

460
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: know anything because most of us don't know. We don't

461
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Speaker 2: know what team we have until we get into conference play,

462
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Speaker 2: and even then we have these three conference games, then

463
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Speaker 2: we play a couple out of conference games. I guess

464
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Speaker 2: we'll we'll find out. But you don't really know what

465
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Speaker 2: team you have until you get back from Christmas, and

466
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Speaker 2: even then sometimes it evolved. So what does it mean.

467
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Speaker 2: It just means that we played a couple of good

468
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Speaker 2: games in the Virgin Islands and that people are trying

469
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Speaker 2: to figure out home road what everybody has working.

470
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Speaker 8: And Coach one last thing, I noticed the Minnesota Golden

471
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Speaker 8: Gophers beat ranked Indiana last night, and you took them

472
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Speaker 8: to overtime a few weeks ago about that.

473
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Speaker 2: Let's let's let's not do transitive property, right, Let's not

474
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Speaker 2: do transit.

475
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Speaker 4: Let's let's not poison well.

476
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Speaker 2: Saint Thomas lost last night and they they they housed us.

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Speaker 2: It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and

478
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: we get the Bear Chris Felika Bear Bets podcast. Of course,

479
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: you see him on Big neon Kickoff and he joins

480
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Speaker 2: us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,

481
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Speaker 2: we got Friday and Saturday games galore, and they're all

482
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Speaker 2: important ones. Let's start with Troy James Madison as JMU

483
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Speaker 2: is going to lose their coach to UCLA, but not

484
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Speaker 2: before they play for a sun Belt Championship. The Fun

485
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Speaker 2: Belt champions is the Dukes of JMU. They're a twenty

486
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Speaker 2: three and a half point favorite and the total is

487
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Speaker 2: only forty seven and a half. Who do you like, Chris?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a this is a game that I

489
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Speaker 3: can see getting out of hand very quickly. It seems

490
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Speaker 3: like JMU and they're going to bet everything all the

491
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Speaker 3: right way in handling the coaching transition and letting Chesney

492
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Speaker 3: coach Troy is not the second best team in the Sunbelt.

493
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Speaker 3: Though they're their only conference, it still has divisions. Old

494
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: again is the second best team in that league. Oldaminion

495
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: beat Troy by thirty some more points earlier this year.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be a bubble out. I can't see

497
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Speaker 3: Troy keeping this close. Everything that my colleague Sammy p

498
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Speaker 3: if Barbett says he's got some in there at JMU,

499
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Speaker 3: and he tells me that this is this is a

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Speaker 3: lay in the laugh type of game. So I'm going

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Speaker 3: at trust Sammy Pee and pick the duke's here.

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Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, Let's get to North Texas two lane.

503
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Speaker 2: Both schools are losing their coaches. North Texas to Miles

504
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Speaker 2: Mounter Oaklam the State tu Lane to Florida. The Mean

505
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: Green are two and a half point favorites. The total

506
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Speaker 2: is sixty seven and a half. This is the American

507
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Speaker 2: Athletic Conference, which has been rated by the Big Boys

508
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Speaker 2: for their coaches. Again, North Texas two and a half

509
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Speaker 2: point favorite. Who do you like?

510
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Speaker 3: I can see I was a little surprised actually that

511
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Speaker 3: Tulane was a home underdog here two and a half.

512
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Speaker 3: I know they got blown out by Ole Miss earlier

513
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Speaker 3: in the year, but they didn't beat Duke, and I

514
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Speaker 3: think we can maybe see Tulane get the home win

515
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Speaker 3: here a little little minor upset. You've seen these short

516
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: dogs in conference championship weekend the last couple of years.

517
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Speaker 3: A lot of them have won outright, I think the

518
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Speaker 3: last the last five years or so, like under conference

519
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: co championship game underdogs three points or fewer, or like

520
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: eleven and three outright, it's something ridiculous like that. I

521
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Speaker 3: have the note in my bare Bets column that's going

522
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Speaker 3: to be posting. But I think if you look at

523
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Speaker 3: what Tulane did a few weeks back in a road

524
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Speaker 3: game at Memphis, a good offense. They play really a

525
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Speaker 3: lot of complimentary football, a lot of Jake Rutz left running,

526
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: a lot of quarterback run, a lot of short passes

527
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Speaker 3: just to keep the opponent off the field. They can

528
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Speaker 3: employ a game plan like that. I think they have

529
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Speaker 3: an excellent chance to win, and I like it. I

530
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Speaker 3: like the way that the twent administration and John summerl

531
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Speaker 3: basically come together for the best to benefit of the

532
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Speaker 3: program and kind of say go go finish what you started.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, give me Twain pull the small home upset here.

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Speaker 2: Stug Ottleab show here on Fox Sports Radio. Chris Felika

535
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: joins US Bear Bets podcast as his podcast course. You

536
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: can see him on Big nowon Kickoff. Let's get to

537
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Speaker 2: the Big Twelve Championship. Tech welcomes in BYU clients Hockey

538
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: will stay Texas team that you know, whoever wins, is

539
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 2: going to be in the College Fotball playoff. If Tech loses,

540
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: still probably in the College Fball playoff. So this is

541
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Speaker 2: for two Big twelve teams to get in Techa twelve

542
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: and a half point favorite forty nine and a half

543
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Speaker 2: is the total. Who do you like?

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Speaker 3: I just can't see any reason to think that the

545
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Speaker 3: result from the first meeting this year is going to

546
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Speaker 3: reverse itself. Yeah, it was twenty nine to seven at

547
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 3: very easily could have been much worse than that. Texas

548
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: Tech left a lot of points on the board with

549
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: a couple of installed drives in the red zone. And

550
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Speaker 3: I don't know if Chase roberts BYU's best wide receiver

551
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: is going to play. He got hurt in Cincinnati game

552
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: with the hamstring injury, didn't play it last week, so

553
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: I don't know the status of him and Without him,

554
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: they're going to have a massive problem to move the

555
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: ball and score points. I'd be shocked if Texas Tech

556
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: let this one get through their fingers and blow a

557
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: great opportunity to win the Big twelve wild get to

558
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: the coul Turball playoffs.

559
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: Georgia Albama for the SEC Championship. George is a two

560
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: and a half point favorite totals forty eight and a half.

561
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Speaker 3: I like the first half under in this game. That's

562
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: the side I like anytime again. Anytime you see those

563
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: favorites under a field goal, I get a little wheezy

564
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: and concerned about wanting to lay points. But if you

565
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: look at the way Alabama has been playing offensively lately,

566
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: ty Simpson has been very sloppy with the football and

567
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: sacked a lot. They have had trouble finishing off drives

568
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: at scoring points. Second half of that first game in

569
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: the season this year against Georgia, really Georgia defense really

570
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: a really good job of figuring them out and slowed

571
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Speaker 3: them down and shut them down completely. In the second half.

572
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: George defense has gotten better, And on the flip side,

573
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: I wonder about Georgia offensive league. They lost their starting

574
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: center Drew Bobo last week really struggled. I think they

575
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: had joudred and fifty yards last week against the Georgia

576
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: Tech defense that teams were lighting up left and right.

577
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Speaker 3: I can see this being a very slow starting offensive

578
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: type games until both offensive strength figure things out in

579
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Speaker 3: the second half. So I'm going to go up first

580
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: half under here and it would not surprise me either

581
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: way a winner here. And what I am curious about

582
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: is Alabama. If they win, do they go all the

583
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: way up to potentially number four to get a first

584
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Speaker 3: round playoff by and if they lose, they become nine

585
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Speaker 3: to three. And I know you don't want to fault

586
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: a conference championship game a loser, but third loss might

587
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: that break that Florida State loss into the play into

588
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: the fray end of the conversation room for a colleg

589
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Speaker 3: football at large pers But a lot of storylines here

590
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: in that SEC.

591
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Speaker 2: Game Duke Virginia, the Wahoo's are a four point favorite.

592
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: Total is a high number fifty seven and a half.

593
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: Well, I have joked about this and I don't have

594
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: a play on this game. Duke has been a team

595
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: that I have been unable to figure out properly all

596
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: year long. I've joked about Manny Diaz's phone number being

597
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: caller ID blocked in a race from my memory, So

598
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: Virginia won and dominated the first meeting of the year.

599
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: Be great story Virginia Tony Ella ready to run him

600
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: out of town a couple of years ago if they

601
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: could go on here win and to the COAF Football playoffs.

602
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: Okay, the Big One on Fox Indiana Ohio State Big

603
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Ten Championship game at Lucas Oil number one versus number two,

604
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: although I don't I don't think if you pulled most

605
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: people they think Indiana's the second best team in the country.

606
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: But with a win, it becomes hard to argue. Right

607
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: to win at Oregon and a win against Ohio State

608
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis, and they would be the number one seed

609
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: head in the College fall Playoff. Ohio State's a four

610
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: point favorite, the totals forty seven and a half.

611
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: You hit on something right there that I think is

612
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: important in this game, Like if you're Indiana, you are

613
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: never going to get another opportunity to go thirteen to zero,

614
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: win the Big Ten, be the number one seed in

615
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Speaker 3: the College Football Playoff, and be number one of the

616
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: AP Paul like it is arguably the biggest game in

617
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Speaker 3: Indiana football history if they can pull the small upset here,

618
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: and I think it's a good spot for them psychologically

619
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Speaker 3: to be able to do it because you're Ohio State,

620
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: you haven't beaten Michigan in forever. The emotional baggage that

621
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: got that game carried, and you finally get the win

622
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: in Ann Arbor last week. You have the weight of

623
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Speaker 3: the world off your shoulders. Now you have the college

624
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 3: football playoffs coming up to defending national champion. That's what

625
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: you're getting ready for. And here you have kind of

626
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: Indiana okay whatever, Big Ten championship. Not not saying they don't care,

627
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: but it's like this is like a game that you

628
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: could easily see them letting up on. But I don't

629
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: know if the leadership of players like downs and such

630
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: or is going to allow that to happen. I think

631
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Speaker 3: Indiana if you look at the way they've run the

632
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: ball against some of the better teams this year, Penn State, Oregon,

633
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: there was another game in there too that they struggled

634
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: really running the ball, and I don't know if they're

635
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: going to be able to move it against the highest stake.

636
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: He thinks it hasn't allowed more than sixteen points all year.

637
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: I'd lay three and a half a couple of weeks

638
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: ago on the look aheadline with the buck Eyes, and

639
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: I would continue. I'd lay the four here with Ohio State.

640
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: I do think that they are the better team. I

641
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: think they'll get the win.

642
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Speaker 2: Chris, You've had a great year. You've really helped us

643
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: out here in radio. I encourage everybody to download the

644
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: Bare Beets podcast because it doesn't stop now right, We've

645
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: got more football games, more things to bet on. But

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Speaker 2: I just want to thank you for joining us and

647
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Speaker 2: look forward to seeing you this weekend. Thanks for being

648
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Speaker 2: our guest.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Who are the

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Speaker 2: most famous assistant coaches in history? We'll draft him next.

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Speaker 2: Dan Byer for a game.

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Speaker 7: This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 5: All right, Doug, the game on this Thursday.

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Speaker 7: Is I feel a draft?

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Speaker 5: No, I was gonna make.

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Speaker 6: This just NFL, but I'm like, why not do it

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Speaker 6: in all sports at all levels, favorite or famous assistant coaches.

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Speaker 6: This kind of coming off of our discussion at the

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Speaker 6: top of the show. Doug, you are the first pick.

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Speaker 6: I'll take the second pick, Samus third, Jason is fourth,

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Speaker 6: and we will snake it back the other way around.

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Speaker 6: All right, Doug, favorite famous assistant coaches. They could have

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Speaker 6: gone on to bigger and better things, but I want

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Speaker 6: you to mention when they were an assistant coach.

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Speaker 2: Maurice Frederick Winter. Maurice Frederick Winter, his nickname was techs

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Speaker 2: text Winner Okay, was head coach for a long time

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Speaker 2: in college basketball. My dad was an assistant long beach

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Speaker 2: famously assistant head coach at Kansas State when they went

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Speaker 2: to the Final four. But Maurice Frederick tex Winner famously

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Speaker 2: implemented the triangle offense for Phil Jackson in both Chicago

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Speaker 2: and with the LA Lakers eleven championships later. Maurice Frederick

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Speaker 2: Winter tech Winter is my answer.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm up at number two, and I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: say this. I know he was.

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Speaker 6: I felt like this is where the coaching tree really

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Speaker 6: kind of started. I'm going Mike Holmgren offensive coordinator to

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Speaker 6: Bill Walsh with the forty nine ers, because I think

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Speaker 6: that's when we really started to look at coaching trees,

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Speaker 6: and then Holmgren's coaching tree was enormous. So give me

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Speaker 6: Mike Holmgren when he was a member of the forty

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Speaker 6: nine ers At number two, Sam, I'm.

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Speaker 8: Going to go with former Iowa quarterback Tom Moore, who

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Speaker 8: went on, who's still working at eighty seven. He's a

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Speaker 8: consultant with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He won four Super

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Speaker 8: Bowls as an assistant coach in the NFL. Tom Moore

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Speaker 8: still worked at eighty seven. Coached Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 2: Great quarterback coach. Yep, no question.

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Speaker 4: I think we're being very loose with the term famous.

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Speaker 4: To be honest, this is how I took this, uh

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Speaker 4: this game today. People who are famous, who were assistant coaches.

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Speaker 4: That's a totally different draft. So I've been thinking of

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Speaker 4: the wrong thing. Uh this more gentleman that Sam just

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Speaker 4: said it was the opposite of famous.

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Speaker 8: Now probably win football.

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Speaker 2: He's a yeah in football.

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Speaker 4: In football circles, he's very famous. I thought, Yeah, famous

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Speaker 4: worldwide is where I got Anyway, what assistants are famous worldwide.

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Speaker 2: It's like that's like somebody's French dip is world famous,

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Speaker 2: but it's not really world famous anyway, Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say Mark McGuire because he was famous, famously,

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Speaker 4: notorious and an assistant coach. But I'll redo it. I'll

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Speaker 4: redo my draft. Bill Belichick and Nick Saban. Who are

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Speaker 4: those guys? Oh, just just the two people that won

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Speaker 4: the most games in their respective sports.

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Speaker 2: Right, they weren't famous as assistant coaches. I'll give you

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Speaker 2: another one. I'll give you my other pictures run at

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Speaker 2: that time, Buddy Ryan, Buddy Ryan became a head coach,

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Speaker 2: but Buddy Ryan was famous for the four six defense

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Speaker 2: with the Bears.

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Speaker 6: Buddy right, I was gonna say when Kevin Gilbride because

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Speaker 6: Buddy Ryan bunched him on the sideline in Houston.

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Speaker 5: Remember, did you have another one? Sam Well? This is

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Speaker 5: a Homer pick.

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Speaker 8: Joe Philbin won a Super Bowl with the Packers and

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Speaker 8: was offn coach.

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Speaker 4: That's game time, game.

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Speaker 7: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 2: Uh, don't come and throw back Thursday. The year is

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 5: It's next.

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Speaker 2: Doug Gotleib show