1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full 8 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: that time George Jones met Porter Wagner in the bathroom 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: in Murdered Great art, in some amazing album cover Easter eggs, 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: plus your voicemails, text emails, comments, dms, and as always, 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. This is the pot cast 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: know that the best history is the history that gets buried. 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Disgrace Lands where I tell the stories they didn't want told, 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: disc goes, let's get into it, all right. Welcome into 20 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: the after Party, everybody, I was in Boston this past weekend. 21 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: It was a fantastic time to be there. World Cup 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: was in town at Gillette out in Foxboro, but the 23 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: city was just filled with people who were there for 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: that event, and it was this beautiful weather. People are 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: outside rolling around. Everybody was in a good mood. It 26 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: was great, had an awesome time, ran into some old 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: friends on the street. Took my son to some great 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: music shops, music stores, record stores, and I visited one 29 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: of the last great record stores in the city, maybe 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: in the world actually this past weekend when I was 31 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: there in Boston, Looney Tunes on Harvard Ave in Allston, Massachusetts. 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: Looney Tunes used to be a mass ave between Harvard 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: and Central Squares. Anyways, it's type of record store. It's dark, 34 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: dingy affair. You know, you might sprain your ankle on 35 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: your descent down the stairs into this place, and once 36 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: you're inside, you're gonna find yourself completely overwhelmed by records, 37 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: like they're just everywhere. Everywhere. That's all there is. I 38 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: don't know. There might have been CDs. There was some 39 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: pat The guy who owns that he had some instruments 40 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: in the back that he, you know, kind of fiddles 41 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: with while he's while he's there at the store. I 42 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: don't know if there were cassettes, but they're just records everywhere, 43 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: everywhere in super knowledgeable owner obviously, and with knowledge on 44 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: all kinds of music from all types of genres. And there's, 45 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: like I said, just again, music in records, vinyl just 46 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: it's it's like it's eating you. And you walk into 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: this place and Pat the owner has knowledge that most 48 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: of us don't have when it comes to music. So 49 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: it's a very great, very cool experience, especially for my son. Now, 50 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: when I was there, I couldn't decide even more to look, 51 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: never mind what I wanted to buy, if I wanted 52 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: to buy anything at all, I couldn't decide between a 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: Porter Wagoner album nineteen sixty eight's Carrol County Accident and 54 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: a very cool looking Misfits reissue seven inch. It's like 55 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: a record store day thing that I'd never seen before. 56 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: I went with the Porter Wagoner album because Porter is 57 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: on my mind a bunch lately. He's one of the 58 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: more fascinating characters from country music history. Blonde, tall dude, 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: blonde pompador, just striking image. He wore these like Ryanstone 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: nudy suits, tremendous singer, massive star, one of those celebrities 61 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: who stardom and fame has eroded over over time, and 62 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: we just don't understand how big and popular and famous 63 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: this guy was. And that happens to a number of 64 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: celebrities over time. Anyways, Porter Wagoner is the villain in 65 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: the Dolly Parton's story, the story that we just put 66 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: together for you guys. It's coming out soon in a 67 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Porter introduced Dolly Parton to the world 68 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: on his TV show back in the nineteen sixties, and 69 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna hear again. You can hear all about that 70 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: in the Dolly Parton episode that we got coming your way. 71 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: But Porter Wagoner shows up in the George Jones story 72 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: as well. Not in our episode with George that we 73 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: just released this week, but in the bathroom with George 74 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: back in the early nineteen seventies at the Ryman Auditorium 75 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: in Nashville during a live televised broadcast of The Grand 76 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: Old Aubrey Now. Porter was in the restroom relieving himself 77 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: between televised segments. George Jones followed him into the restroom, 78 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: snuck up behind Porter George came up behind again, this 79 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: just dashing, tall, blonde Ryan Stone clad Porter Wagoner and 80 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: George Jones is drunk high on diet pills, and he 81 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: comes up behind Porter Wagoner, who again is standing at 82 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:28,559 Speaker 1: the urinal, and George very aggressively grabs Porter by his junk, 83 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: squeezes and twists. Porter howls and pain in. George Jones 84 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: howls right back with those golden pipes and he shouts, 85 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: I want to see what Tammy's so proud of. George 86 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Jones was referring to his wife, Tammy Wynette, and to 87 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: the affair that he believed that Tammy Wynette was having 88 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: with Porter Wagoner. Porter Wagoner was rumored to be very 89 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: well endowed. There was a lot of stories about Porter 90 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: Wagoner in Nashville when it came to women, but there 91 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: was no affair according to the research I've done. I 92 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe there was, who knows, but it looks 93 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: like there actually was no affair here. It was just 94 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: George's jealousy getting the best of him, but there was. 95 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Porter Wagoner now covered his nuty suit, covered as pants anyways, 96 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: covered in urine. He's going to go on television in 97 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes here, so he misses the next 98 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: segment and Ernest Tubb has to sit in for him. 99 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how George Jones spent the rest of 100 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: his night. This is a story that was that George 101 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: tells in his book. He's talked about it in interviews 102 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: in the past. I can't believe some of these interviews 103 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: with George Jones. They're completely unhinged. They would never happen today. 104 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: These interviews that he did later in life in the 105 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, they would never happen today, and they're just 106 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: out there now. If you look at George Jones again, 107 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: the subject of our episode this week, that story I 108 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: just told you about Porter Wagoner and George Jones is 109 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: not intereps. So that's what I wanted to give it 110 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: to you here. But if you look at George Jones, 111 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: he's a very clean cut looking dude, even in the 112 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: later years. I mean, his hair is a little bit 113 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: longer by country standards, for sure, but it's still this 114 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: sort of like hard shell pompadour. And back in the 115 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: early days when he was more of a rockabilly guy. 116 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: For a brief minute there it was like a wasn't 117 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: even a pompa door. It's like a crew cut, like 118 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: a high and tight crew cut. When you look at 119 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: the image, you know, you listen to George Jones's pristine voice, 120 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: you look at the images of him, there's little in 121 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: common with that image, between the image and the behavior, 122 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: the crazed behavior. It's the same for most country artists. 123 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: Most appear to be clean cut and conservative, at least 124 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: by rock and roll and punk rock and heavy metal standards, 125 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: the rock and roll and punk and heavy metal standards 126 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: of my youth anyway. But beneath the clean cut image, 127 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: country artists were, as we now know, as wild and 128 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: transgressive as the punks, the metal heads, and the rock 129 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: and rollers. And I have to have met, and I 130 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: have to admit this is what attracted me to country 131 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: music in when I was a kid, not a kid 132 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: when I was I don't know, eh, nineteen twenty twenty one, 133 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: In that I can't remember when I first took a 134 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: real interest in country music, but it was early adulthood, 135 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: and it was because of this reason. It was because 136 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: learning that Hank Williams, the guy who sang my Bucket's 137 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Got a Hole in It, the song that I'd heard 138 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: as a kid that I thought was beyond dumb, that 139 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: dude was a raving lunatic hold On who he was 140 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: committed to an asylum before drinking himself to death in 141 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: the backseat of a Cadillac. You know, I learned that. 142 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: I learned that Johnny Cash, the old looking dude who 143 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: hung out with Willie Nelson, the other old looking dude, 144 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: that Johnny Cash got blitz on pills one day and 145 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: set fire to a national park, and it was an 146 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: accident that wiped out nearly an entire population of an 147 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: endangered species. It was the stories about country music. It 148 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: was the stories that got me the music. It was 149 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: the stories that first interested me. The story about the 150 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: Spade Cooley murder string being Merle Haggard in prison, shotgun, 151 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, Farren Young Graham, Parson, Steve Earle. It made 152 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: the music that much more interesting to me. There was 153 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: contrast tension between the image of these artists and their behavior. 154 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: You know, how could dudes who sounded so straight live 155 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: so dangerous, so crooked? And you know, I was onto 156 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: country music, classic country music, I should say, at a 157 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: fairly early age, to the great annoyance of my hardcore 158 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: bandmates and friends. But I didn't care, and soon it 159 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: wasn't just about the artists making the music and their crimes. 160 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: It was about the crimes inside, the stories that these 161 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: artists were telling in the songs that they were singing. 162 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: The murder of the Knoxville Girl, the hanging from the 163 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: long black veil, the redheaded stranger night the lights went 164 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: out in Georgia, Johnny Cash and his cocaine blues, George 165 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: Jones still doing time in the fatal crash affair and 166 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: cover up at the center of Porter Wagoner's Carroll County accident. 167 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: A great fucking song. By the way, this song is 168 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: this It's a true crime podcast series in and of itself, 169 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: the Carroll County accident, which leads me to the hear 170 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: and now, okay up to this weekend where you know, 171 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm purchasing that Porter Wagoner album in Looney Tunes in Boston. 172 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: It's all crime in music. It's always been crime in music. 173 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: Crime in music is the most interesting combination, and you 174 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: probably get more of it in country music than you 175 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: do in punk, in rock or in metal. And from 176 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: an extremely authentic point of view as well. When George 177 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: Jones wrote about stabbing and killing a friend in Life 178 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: to Go. It's believable when you hear it. When Porter 179 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: Wagoner sings about the affair in the Carroll County Accident 180 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: or in any number of songs on his excellent album 181 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: Cold Heart Facts of Life, you believe them because Porter 182 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: Wagoner kind of looks like a dude who knows a 183 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: thing or two about an affair or two. That violence, 184 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: that infidelity. It's spilled out into real life in the 185 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: bathroom in the Ryman Auditorium back in the early seventies 186 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: there with these two guys, and it's one of the 187 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: many stories just like it from country music's wild history. 188 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: And it's a history that we've barely scratched the surface 189 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: of here in Disgraceland incredibly. I mean, we've got episodes 190 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: on Johnny Paycheck and Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and Merle 191 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: Haggard and now George Jones. But there's so much more 192 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: to tell. Anyways, check out the George Jones episode Brace 193 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: Yourselves for the Dolly Parton episode that's coming. It's gonna 194 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: be a doozy, all right, Dolly Parton, Isn't isn't coming 195 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: up for a couple weeks in the meantime, you got 196 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: George Jones in your feed, Like I said, then in 197 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: the rewind slot. Coming up right after this here after 198 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: party is our episode on Jennifer Hudson and Jennifer Hudson's story, 199 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: the tragedy there, the triple homicide that and of itself 200 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: could have been a country song, just brutal, brutal. Anyways, 201 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: that's going to be in your feed right after this 202 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: after Party, and then next week our brand spanking new 203 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: episode on Sonic Youth, on Kim and Thurston, on one 204 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: of the coolest bands of all time, and on the 205 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: true crime at the center of one of the coolest 206 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: album covers of all time, Sonic Youse Goo. That's right, 207 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: you know the cover. It's the one with that illustration 208 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: of the couple with the woman smoking the rimmon pedobone 209 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: illustration the two the pair. They look like a couple 210 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: of kids who could be on a hanging out with 211 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: Velvet Underground or something. Who was that couple in the illustration? 212 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to know on that album cover 213 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: on Goo and what was up with that incredible quote 214 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: next to their image? I stole my sister's boyfriend. It 215 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: was all whirlwind, heat and flash. Within a week, we 216 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: killed my parents and hit the road. What the hell 217 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: was that all about? Well, it's about one of the 218 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: most gruesome and unjust true crimes in history, and one 219 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: that features a real rock and roll hero. We're gonna 220 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: tell you that story and the story of Sonic Youth 221 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: and try to really drill down into what made Kim 222 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: Gordon so damn cool. You'll get that, like I said, 223 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: next week, and when you're listening to this episode, which 224 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: is like I said, very much about the cover of Goo, 225 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: be thinking about what's the coolest album cover that you've 226 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: ever seen? Does it get cooler than Goo? Okay? What 227 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: album just held you transfixed? What album just captured your 228 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: imagination arrested you? Just you're sitting there, You're I don't know, 229 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: you're fifteen years old, sixteen years old. You're in your bedroom. 230 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: You know, you're just you got your stereo there. It's 231 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: one of those solid state one pieces with the record 232 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: player and the CD player and the double cassette player 233 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: and the receiver all in one. It's like the small 234 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: little black box connects right to the speakers, and you 235 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: got this album in your hand, and you just can't 236 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: stop looking at it, you can't stop listening to it. 237 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: All right, what is that album? What's the coolest album 238 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: cover that you can think of? Let us know, all right, 239 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna be the question of the week next week. 240 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six, six six three eight. 241 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: Give me a call, let me know your answer. You 242 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: can leave me a voicemail, you can send me a 243 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: text again at six one seven nine oh six six 244 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: six three eight. You might hear your answer on next 245 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: week's after party. Before that, though, in this episode, we're 246 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: gonna get you all primed up for the Sonic Youth 247 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: Goose story that we've got coming your way. Next week, 248 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: Zeth and I are gonna be talking about hidden Easter 249 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: eggs on album covers, Beastie Boys, Grateful Dead, Iron Maiden, 250 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: Harry Nilson, and more that's coming up in the exclusive 251 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: section of this after party. Go to disgracelandpod dot com 252 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: sign up to become a Disgracelant All Access member and 253 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: unlock exclusive content like this plus ad free listening. All right, 254 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and we'll get back 255 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: in just a moment with your voicemails, text emails and more. 256 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: All right, guys, I am back. It's super early. You 257 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: could probably tell from the sound of my voice. This 258 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: coffee you ain't doing what it's supposed to be doing. Man, 259 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what's up. You're ever going to make 260 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: a coffee in the morning, put the beans in, get 261 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: it all ready to grind. You drink your coffee. You 262 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: drink your second coffee, your third coffee, fourth coffee. Suddenly 263 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: it's lunchtime and you're starving, and you eat, and then 264 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: you know it's one o'clock, two o'clock, whatever it is 265 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: after that, and you're just exhausted and you have a 266 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: blazing headache, and you're like, what the hell is going on? 267 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: And you realize you haven't had any caffeine that day, 268 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: even though you've had like three cups of corn. But 269 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: you are an idiot if you're like me. And you 270 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: went and you ground up decaf coffee beans and you've 271 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: been drinking decalf all morning, and now you're exhausted and 272 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: you got a headache and you're in a bad mood. 273 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: Can't tell you how many times I've done that. Not 274 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: the sharpest tool in the shed. Sometimes it's early morning 275 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: you're fumbling about trying to get it going. Anyways, I 276 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: got the high test stuff this morning, but I'm just 277 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: I had some intense, quick travel, quick turn around to 278 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: Boston and back this weekend. A little little dragon coffee 279 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: will do its thing, though, I'm confident. Anyways, I'm in 280 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: the phone booth. It's the one across the hall, hanging 281 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: on the telephone with you. Guys. You know where I'm at. 282 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: Last week's question of the week, we're talking about which 283 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: singer just arrested you just stops you in your tracks, 284 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: just grabs you by the neck and makes you listen. 285 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: The sound of their voice is just so compelling. George 286 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: Jones does that to me? This one from I hope 287 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying this correctly. Betto and where are you? You're 288 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: in the two one three? 289 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: Hey Jake, this is Betto from La responding to your 290 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: question about what singers stopped me in my tracks. I 291 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: have to say Marisa Franklin, Donnie Hathaway and internationally and 292 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: Salis Kita. That's what's up. 293 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: That is what's up. Thank you, Betto. I was I'm 294 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about Donny Hathaway here in particular because 295 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: it most directly addresses the part of this question that 296 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: I can't quite articulate the right way, which is just 297 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: that thing you know, you know, when you hear you're 298 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: just arrested. I said that before. You just hear the 299 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: voice and it just stops you. It literally happened to 300 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: me with Donny Hathaway the other day. I was getting 301 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: my haircut. I was in the barber's chair, and you know, 302 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: Juan at El said, he's you know, he's doing his 303 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: thing and we're talking and and it's just Donny Hathaways 304 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: sing and jealous guy, and it was just one of 305 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: those things I just I just had to be like, 306 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: hold up, listen to that. God, this guy can sing 307 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: just fucking incredible. It was the live version from seventy 308 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: two Donnie Hathaway's live album, and I got to admit, 309 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: for a guy whose voice I find to be completely compelling, 310 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: I do not listen to Donnie Hathaway enough. I just forget. 311 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: I just forget so better. I'm gonna take your voicemail 312 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: as a reminder, Thank you, buddy. I'm gonna be pumping 313 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: out the Donnie Hathaway today. All right, let's check out 314 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: the three six so chee chi. 315 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: Wow, this podcast is amazing. I have learned so many 316 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: things in the last week. I'm calling to answer your 317 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 3: question of the week quotes that one person with the 318 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 3: voice that just takes me there and for me, it's 319 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 3: got to be Mego Case. We're going to present I 320 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: Feel the Void every time. She really likes loose and 321 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 3: I actually wanted to answer an old question who is 322 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 3: not punk but is punk? And for me that is 323 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: the band The Knife. If you haven't highly recommend, just 324 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: just giveralism. It's pretty cool. 325 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, I love you. 326 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay three six so oh yes, Nico Case 327 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: one thousand percent deep red Bells, fantastic, just everything's kind 328 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: of fantastic. And speaking of murder ballads and the whole 329 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: kind of like creepy country thing, She's a great modern 330 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: version of that. Not a psychopath like George Jones, so 331 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: and someone I have a ton of respect for. Great 332 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: artist and yes, great singer. Who'd you mentioned the Knife? 333 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned the Knife. I was just thinking 334 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: of the Knife. I heard some song on some dumb 335 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: TV show and I was like, this song sucks, but 336 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: it reminds me of something good. What is it that 337 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: it's reminded and it was heartbeats by by the Knifehere 338 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: we talking about the same artists here, I think we are. 339 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: I think we are. Anyways, I appreciate you three six 340 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: to soho, thanks for calling. Call back anytime six one 341 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight. You guys 342 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: want to hit me up, that's how to do it, 343 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: voicemail and text. Let's do some texts here. Let's go 344 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: to the three one seven here. Hey, this is Flow 345 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: from the three one seven. You said to your son's 346 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: a huge Killers fan, seeing as we spent adequate time 347 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: discussing great covers, and as I mentioned, I'm a massive 348 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: Marssi fan. Here you go, can't have the Killers without 349 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: Morrissey And Flow sends in the Killers version of why 350 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: don't you find out for yourself the Morrissey song? You know, 351 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't think about this song that much, and it's 352 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't think about the correlation between The Killers and 353 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: marsseye and I should. It's an obvious one, and uh, 354 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: it just doesn't. I don't know, it doesn't register for me. 355 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: You know, I was talking to the Killers the other 356 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: day with my wife talking. I said, talking to the Killers. 357 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: Talking about The Killers with my wife the other day. 358 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: And the Killers are interesting because their first album, in 359 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: our opinion, is their best. Not that their other albums 360 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: aren't really good, they are second one in particular. But 361 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: which artists legit like their first not not albums where 362 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: they come out and their first album is great and 363 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: then they just kind of fade away. That happens a lot, 364 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: but they come out with their first album is just 365 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: the best. It's the best. You can't fuck with it. 366 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: It's it's like kind of like the Strokes, like they 367 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: never really they made great albums afterward. For sure, they're 368 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: still making great music, but that first album is the 369 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: best album. And this isn't a thing where I'm like, oh, yeah, 370 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: have you heard their early shit. That's not what I'm 371 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: doing here at all. I just legitimately think that when 372 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: it comes to the Killers and when it comes to 373 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: the Strokes, that their first albums are the best. And 374 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: that's a good question. Which other artists, you know, first 375 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: album was their best? I don't know. Made me think 376 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: of you guys. I was like, oh, that's a question 377 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: of the week. Hubba from the three one four right said, Hey, 378 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: end of the world mixed Tall Dark Stranger by Buck Owens. 379 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: Is that a Harlin Howard song? Two of five Metallica 380 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: Queens Wright, January fourteenth, nineteen eighty nine, BJCC Arena, Birmingham, Alabama. 381 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: I was in a massive people waiting to enter, and 382 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: for some reason they were late opening the arena entrances 383 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: and the section we were waiting in had walls that 384 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: funneled people towards the set of doors, and the crowds 385 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: started getting frustrated, and people at the door started chanting angrily. One, two, three, four, 386 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: opened up the fucking door of five, six, seven eight, 387 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: opened up the fucking gate. A couple of employees almost 388 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: opened the doors, and the peoples at the back started 389 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: pressing forward, crushing us all together against the arena. None 390 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: of the groans of pain of people yelling did anything 391 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: to back off. We were crushed that way for more 392 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: than ten minutes before the venue finally opened. A few 393 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: of the doors spaced apart, and I was crushed by 394 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: the surgeon crowd into one of the closed doors next 395 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: to an open one. My buddy was at the edge 396 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: of the open door. We had to work together to 397 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: drag my body to the open door. Oh damn, this 398 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: sounds freaking harrowing and fall into the doorway, finally escaping 399 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: the press of the crowd. I hadn't thought about that 400 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: part of that night for years, but all the pain 401 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: and sounds came back while hearing the story of those 402 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: poor Liverpool fans rushing forward Patrick at the two oh five, Patrick, 403 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: thank you for your text. That sounds horrifying. Patrick, guys 404 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: is referencing the Hillsborough disaster episode that we did in 405 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: Because we're here in World Cup week, World Cup weeks months? 406 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: How long is the World Cup? It's like three weeks, right, 407 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: something like that sounds scary as hell? Three h two right, 408 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: saying Hey, very excited to inform you that I just 409 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: turned on a new listener. As I was walking my 410 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: dog in the park and wearing my Disgraceland T shirt, 411 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: a guy came up and commented on it. Turns out 412 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: he's a rock fan and I was able to recommend 413 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: to your podcast. As he was walking away, he took 414 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: out his phone to look it up on Spotify, and 415 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: as I was passing and again, he told me he 416 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: was starting with the Anthony Bourdain episode. So I just 417 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 1: want to say hi there, friend, friend, in Delaware who 418 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: just got turned on to Disgraceland. I hope you're really 419 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: enjoying it. I am three to zero two. Thank you. 420 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Very cool of you to be extending 421 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: the sort of Disgraceland community here. Love that eight six 422 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: so rights in. Hey, Jake, it's trip from the eight 423 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: six to oh. I sent a text about a month 424 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: ago concerning the upcoming Jim Morrison Doors episode. But I 425 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: had surgery two days before, so I don't know how 426 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: can so I don't know how coherent it was. I 427 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: commented on Robbie from the Doors this recent book and why, 428 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: in my opinion, it was the best Doors book. Robbie 429 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 1: separated the myth from the band and from Jim in 430 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: general in a way that hasn't been done before. He 431 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: talked about Jim possibly dying from heroin and explains about 432 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: his own smack addiction in the nineteen eighties. Anyway, looking 433 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: forward to the Doors episode, Peace from the Northeast eight 434 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: six oh. Appreciate you, man. Yeah, I don't spoil it here, 435 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: but I will tell you that Robbie's some of Robbie's 436 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: information from that book makes it into the episode and 437 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: makes the argument that I'm making that much more compelling. 438 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: I'll say that. Okay, six one seven nine oh six 439 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: six six three. You guys want to hit me up 440 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: talk about anything, voicemail and text, that's how you do it. 441 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: Can also email me Disgrace lamppod at gmail dot com. 442 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna do that on the other side of this break. 443 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: Talk to you in a second. All right, guys, we 444 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: are back. Disgrace lamppod at gmail dot com. I appreciate 445 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: the thoughtful emails. I appreciate talking to you guys, connecting 446 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: with you guys every week. This one comes from Rob McDonald, 447 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: subject Hillsborough message. Hey, Jake, just wanted to say congratulations 448 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: on your episode covering the Hillsborough disaster. It's a difficult 449 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: subject matter and you handled it with real care, clarity 450 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: and respect. As a Liverpool fan, I really appreciate the 451 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: tone and the way you gave space to both the 452 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: human impact and the wider context. A great song about 453 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: the wider issue is Billy Bragg's Scousers. Never by the 454 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: Sun is a skouser or schoozer. I always pronounce it incorrectly. 455 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: I apologize it means a Liverpool thing, right, Yeah, however, 456 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: happy I made you with the Hillsboro episode. I'm upsetting 457 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: you now, Rob, I am sure of it, and I apologize. Anyways, 458 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: Rob was on to say, hey, he released it after 459 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: the phone hacking scandal investigations into NewsCorp in twenty eleven 460 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: of protest against the broader issues around tabloid media. Thanks 461 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: again for your thoughtful episode. You got it, Rob, Thank 462 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: you for the email. Appreciate you. I don't know this 463 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: Billy Bragg song. Billy Bragg a lot like what I 464 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: was saying with Donnie Hathaway, someone who I absolutely love 465 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: and somebody who I just do not listen to enough. 466 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: I never think to listen to him. I wish I 467 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: had a little mental note in my head that I 468 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: could just you know, I open up the Spotify app 469 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: or whatever, I go to my my shelves to pull 470 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: a record, and what do I want to listen to? 471 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we're all the same, we all end 472 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: up going back to the same shit. I got Billy 473 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: Bragg albums in my collection, Donnie Hathaway, and I just 474 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: don't listen to him enough, and I need to, and 475 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate the recommendation. Rob, Thank you very much. Disgrace 476 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: Lampod at gmail dot com. You guys want to send 477 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: me an email about anything recommendations. You want to hear 478 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: recommendations from me, music recommendations, you can get that in 479 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Land feed over in the Rap Party episodes 480 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: that Zeth does. I'm in there every week giving you 481 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: music recommendations alongside Zeth's movie recommendations. See how that works 482 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: at Disgrace Lampot. On the socials, you want to hit 483 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: me up on Instagram, Facebook, even X once in a while. 484 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: Once in a while I'll open the X app. I'm 485 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: making a habit of it because I'd like my sanity. 486 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: I could say the same about all the platforms. Oh, 487 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: it's a love hate relationship. No, it's not love, and 488 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't like to hate anything, but you know it's 489 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: tough anyways. In response to our Marilyn Manson episode e 490 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: dot showsted on Disgrace Centrites, Hey, I saw Marilyn Manson 491 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: at a Dave and Busters a few years ago. That's 492 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: why I wanted to read this. Just the idea of 493 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson at a Dave and Busters is hysterical to me. 494 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: And he looked like he was over his own gimmick 495 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago to be in your mid fifties, 496 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: but role playing nineteen ninety nine forever too much even 497 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: for him, Which brings me to this thing. I've been 498 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: thinking about how some artists just get they get stuck 499 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: in that caricature of themselves that they created years ago. 500 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: I was watching this last Minelli documentary over the weekend, 501 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: and it is she talked about it, where she was 502 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: the Sequin girl. She had to be that girl whenever 503 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: she was out in public, even socially with people who 504 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: were not just extremely close with her, but even like acquaintances. 505 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: That's who she had to be. And you know, I 506 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: think she transcended that in a lot of ways. But 507 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: it must suck for people. Well, actually I don't give 508 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: a shit about Marilyn Man, said Brian Warner, but you 509 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, it just must suck as 510 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: an artist to be stuck in that thing forever. And 511 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: I think certain artists find ways to transcend it and 512 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: move beyond it and to grow and to not get stuck. 513 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know the trick. I 514 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: don't know what the trick is. I don't know how 515 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: they do it. I haven't really thought about it enough, 516 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: but it's interesting and I know it's applicable to some 517 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: of the stories we're telling here, so I'll probably get 518 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: into this concept a little bit more. More artists spotted 519 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: out in the public. In response to our Jim Sullivan 520 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: disappearance story that we had on Instagram, Jay underscore Shnobi writes, Hey, 521 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: just seeing him yesterday at Walgreens. That's interesting, man. I 522 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: go to Walgreens all the time. I've never seen missing 523 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: folk artists roaming the aisles, but I'll take your word 524 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: for it. Mark Burnwer was sent to a message on 525 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: Instagram about Tommy James, about how he's an underrated singer, 526 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: how the Sean Dell's were an underrated band. And you know, 527 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: Mark is not wrong about either of those things. And 528 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: if you want to hear exactly what I'm talking about. 529 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: Plus the mafia connection to Tommy James, which is the 530 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: Tommy James mob story, might be the greatest mob story 531 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: in music history. And that is saying something because it 532 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Frank Sinatra, it has nothing 533 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: to do with a bunch of the other sort of 534 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: cliche mob music industry stories that you've heard it's its 535 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: own thing. The fact that this is not a Martin 536 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: Scorsese movie is it's shocking to me. Actually, it's incredible, 537 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: and I love the episode that we put together on 538 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: Tommy James. It's one of my favorites. Check that out. 539 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: Melissa gay Hayden writes in Hey Jake, I've been wanting 540 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: to share this with you for some time, and I 541 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: have no excuse because no one is busier than you. 542 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: That's not true anyway. This profile belongs to Andy Speer, 543 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: and Melissa sends this Instagram profile on Andrew Spear. She says, 544 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know him well, but we did graduate high 545 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: school together, and as you could see, Andy is an 546 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: extremely talented artist specializing in murals, but he's also a 547 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: music head and has done work for several hard rock locations. 548 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: And I got to say Andy's stuff is pretty great. 549 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: Check out Spear Life Andrew Spear via Melissa gay Hayden 550 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: on Instagram. You won't be disappointed. Benjamin Nelson writes in Hey, 551 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: big fan of the show, have you ever considered doing 552 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: an episode on Fishbone? That's been crazy shit going on, cults, 553 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: kidnappings and the like. Stay cool, that's Ben Nelson seventy 554 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: two on Instagram. I have considered a Fishbone episode. I've 555 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: seen Fishbone a couple times back in the day. I 556 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: love Truth and Soul that album. It's incredible and I 557 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: really regret not buying the vinyl version of it when 558 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: I was what record store was at. I was in 559 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: the West Village about three years ago, and it wasn't 560 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: even that expensive. It was maybe I don't know, it 561 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: wasn't cheap, but it wasn't that expensive. I just didn't 562 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: want to carry back on the plane and I regret it. 563 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: I should have done it. I should have done it. Yeah, 564 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: we're going to do an episode on Fishbone at some point. 565 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: Too crazy of a story, not too at disgracelam Pod 566 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: on the socials. You guys want to hit us up, 567 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: Disgrace Lampod at gmail dot com on the email machine 568 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight 569 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: voicemail and text. You want my recommendations on music and 570 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: the like, you can get those in the Hollywood Land 571 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: feed where I'm talking to Zeth and the Rap Party 572 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: bonus episodes every week. You can also get our classic 573 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: archive stories from Hollywood in true Crime. You get a 574 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: subscribe to Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, 575 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. If you want even 576 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: more music content, you can cop the video podcasts Eth 577 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: and I produce every month called this film Should be 578 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: Played Loud. Our new episode on Dazed and Confused. That's 579 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: what we got for you in June. Go to disgraysampod 580 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: dot com to sign up so you can watch that, 581 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: and you can also check out our episodes on the 582 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: Royal Tenantbaums Goodfellas. I'm reading right now, Wise Guy, by 583 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: the way, Nicholas Polegi's book that inspired Goodfellas, or that 584 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: Goodfellas is based on, I should say, and it's pretty incredible. 585 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. I was like, I've seen Goodfellas so 586 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: many damn times, there's no reason I should read this book. 587 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: But you know what, it doesn't matter how many times 588 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: you've seen Goodfellas. You should read this book. It gives 589 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: you context that you're just like every book compared to 590 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: the movie, You're gonna get this context that is completely 591 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: just so much deeper and richer, and it's going to 592 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: make you appreciate this movie even more than you probably 593 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: already did. I've actually already read a book about the 594 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: making of Goodfellas. I just never read the book that 595 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: Goodfellas was based on, and I gotta say I'm enjoying 596 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: the shit out of it. But for more movie talk 597 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: music in movie talk, I should say, got to check 598 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: out this film should be played loud with Zeth and I. 599 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: Go to disgray sampod dot com to becoming all access member. 600 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna get content like that, Plus you're gonna get 601 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: ad free content. Plus you're gonna get the conversation that 602 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: Zeth and I have coming up right now in the 603 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: exclusive section of this after party bonus episode, where we're 604 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: discussing some of the crazier, more interesting Easter eggs from 605 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: album art from music histories past. That's coming up right now. 606 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: Go to disgracelandpod dot com to sign up if you 607 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: haven't already. All right, we are back. Let's recap. We 608 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: mentioned Donnie Hathaway in this episode. Yeah, there you go. 609 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: Also Tommy James, two great episodes from the Disgraceland archive, 610 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: a bunch of other artists as well. But Matt's gonna 611 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: pull the information on those two stories and he'll put 612 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: that info in the show notes section of this after party, 613 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: so that you can easily find your way to either 614 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: the Tommy James episode or the Donnie Hathaway episode of 615 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: Disgraceland in our massive archive. All right, shall wey this 616 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: week number one? Number one? This week George Jones available 617 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: in your feed. Rewind episode coming up right after this 618 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: after party. We've got our episode on Jennifer Hudson. Then 619 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: next week our episode, our brand new episode. I should 620 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: say on Sonic Youth. Number four is that that's going 621 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the 622 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: hollywood Land feed. So make sure that you are subscribed 623 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: to Hollywoodland. Wherever you get your podcasts, You're going to 624 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: get my music recommendations over in the Wrap Party in 625 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Land feed as well. Number five, this film 626 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: should be played loud our video podcast, our newest one 627 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: on Dazed and Confused. That is I don't know is 628 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 1: that available right now? I think it is? 629 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: Is it? 630 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's coming up. End of the month, 631 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: end of June six one seven nine oh six six 632 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: six three eight. Your voice keeps us sticking into the 633 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting 634 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: with your answers to this week's question of the week, 635 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: or to whatever else you want to talk about. Number Seve, 636 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: don't forget disc goes. This isn't just content. It's a community, 637 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: a community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, 638 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: records in the crime and grime that ties them all together, 639 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right. 640 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: George Jones died on April twenty six, twenty thirteen. And 641 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: that night I drove into my driveway in Arlington, Massachusetts, 642 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: my headlights shown on you got it apossum right there 643 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: in my driveway. I shit you not the same night. 644 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: George Jones died April twenty six, twenty thirteen. This is 645 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: what America was listening to on that day, according to 646 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: the Billboard Charts. Number one Just Give Me Your Reason, 647 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: Pink featuring Nate Bruce, last week three, peak position one 648 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: weeks on chart nine. Number two Thrift Shop, Malcolmore and 649 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: Ryan Lewis featuring Wayne's last week two, peak position one 650 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: weeks on chart twenty eight. Number three When I Was 651 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: Your Man Bruno Mars last week one, peak position one 652 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: weeks on chart five. Number four Staying featuring Mickey pick 653 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: Out last Week, four positions a year, three jokes on. 654 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 4: Sure, Number five Stars Chap Joke, quit talking and start mixing. 655 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 4: Cult It