1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horden. Thanks for downloading the 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast the OOO the Yes addition, as we 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: discussed the upcoming season and a remarkable life in football 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: with team president Mike Brown. The Bengals Booth Podcast is 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: brought to you by pay Corps, Proud to be the 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: Bengals official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber, future proof 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business and community 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: to a new level, and by Kettering Health the best 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: care for the best fans. Kettering Health is the official 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: healthcare provider of the Bengals. Now here's a quick reminder 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: that you can have the latest edition of this podcast 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: clear laundry detergent cups. I did laundry last night and 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: was reminded of a major pet peeve. A few times 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: I've purchased detergent, the measuring cup that screws on to 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: the top has not been see through. Our current one 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: is red, so when you pour the detergent in, it's 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: hard to see the measuring lines. What gives clear cup, easy, 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: dark cup difficult. So if my clothes appear dirty or 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: smell a little stinky, blame it on the engineering genius 22 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: who messed with a good thing. Now, let's get to football. 23 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: The Bengals held their annual pre training camp media day 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: on Monday, and the highlight for me is always the 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to visit with Mike Brown. After Mike discusses Bengals 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: business with local reporters, he always sits down for a 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: separate interview with me, where we typically discuss Bengal's history. 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Mike will be ninety years old in a few weeks, 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: and he's still sharp as attack. Here's player personnel director 30 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Duke Tobin on his boss's involvement. 31 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: Mike's the first one in the building every day in 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: the offseason, the only one in on the weekends. So 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: he's here. He's all football, all the time. It's his life, 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: it's his passion. He wants to be involved, he wants 35 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: to know what's going on. I think he's willing to 36 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: listen and understand others and delegate responsibilities as he's gotten older, 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: but he's certainly fun to be around because his passion 38 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: for what we do in the NFL and football in 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: general is high level, and it's really cool to see 40 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: his routine continue, and his routine is football. 41 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: According to ESPN BET, there are only five teams this 42 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: year with better Super Bowl odds than the Bengals. Duke 43 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: Tobin calls it a championship caliber team, but it's not 44 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: in Mike's nature to say the same thing. 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 3: Well, we have to prove it. And I grew up 46 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: in a coach's family, and my dad, who was a coach, 47 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: spent all his time not trying to raise expectations. That 48 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: was dangerous to do that, and I was taught that 49 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: that's how you ought to behave when this question is presented, 50 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: not declare victory before you've assembled to start the training camp. 51 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: I think we have good players, so does Baltimore, Sodaes, Pittsburgh, 52 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: and so does Cleveland. We have to prove that we're 53 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: better than they are. We're going to try. In my heart, 54 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: I like to think we can do that, but I 55 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: know how difficult it is. And that's about all I'm 56 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: going to say on it. 57 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: How much involvedment do you still have on personnel decisions? 58 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: Well, when we well a lot, I stay involved. I've 59 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: tried to shift responsibility as the years have piled on, 60 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: and I've pretty well done that. In the play. I 61 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: don't coach the team. I don't necessarily pick the players. 62 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: I have a voice, but it is a noise. The 63 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 3: guy I would pick might be someone different. It's the 64 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: proper that I accept that. But I do have a voice, though, 65 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: and I do enjoy that part of it. It's fun 66 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: for me. I really like seeing the new guys when 67 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 3: they show up, and I get all excited inside. Try 68 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: not to show it, but I really really interested in 69 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: how they're going to do. I think we have some 70 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: good wines this year, and we obviously have one more 71 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: to figure out, but we'll get it done. I think 72 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: at some point. 73 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: The one more to figure out is obviously first round 74 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: draft pick Shamar Stuart, who remains unsigned as I record this. 75 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: The Bengals are trying to insert language into the contract 76 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: that would void future guarantees if Stuart gets into serious trouble. 77 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: It's language that's common with other NFL teams, but since 78 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: the Bengals last few first round draft picks haven't had 79 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: that language in their contracts, Shamar remains unsigned. Again. Here 80 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: are Duke Tobin and Mike Brown. 81 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: The difference is minute, and it's just a clarification of 82 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: what is already agreed it means, and we're probably the 83 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: last team to put it in, so we're not at 84 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: the front end of this evolution. Maybe we're catching. But 85 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: the contracts also evolve in signing bonus and guaranteed percentage 86 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: and how many people in the draft get guarantees, so 87 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: they evolve in positive ways for both, and we're just 88 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: coming in line with what the rest of the league 89 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: is doing. If I thought we were being unfair, I 90 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: probably would hesitate, but I don't believe that, and I 91 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: don't certainly don't think that's the case. There's not much 92 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 2: to negotiate. You've got to look really hard to find 93 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: something to get mad about. And sometimes that's what we've 94 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: gotten caught up in, is somebody trying to prove their 95 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: worth by getting mad about something that doesn't matter. And 96 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: the rookie contracts are normally not very difficult. They're pretty slotted, 97 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: and so it's a little unusual. This is where it is. 98 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: I can't say I understand it, and I can't say 99 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: I blamed Shamar for it, because Schamar's just listening to 100 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: the advice he's paid for and I don't understand it, 101 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: but I'm not the one paying for that advice. 102 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: This one is surprising. I hesitate to get into the detail, 103 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: but basically it turns on whether out years are guaranteed 104 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: if he gets involved in conduct detrimental to football. Well, 105 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: what does that mean? Detrimental to football in recent years 106 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: has been violence to women. That's about the one that 107 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: comes to mine. There are others, probably, but that's the 108 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: one that I think. Well, if we get a player 109 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: who gets involved in something like that or does something 110 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: that is just unacceptable, guess what, I don't want to 111 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: pay him. I really don't. If he's sitting in jail, 112 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: I don't think I ought to be paying him. And 113 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: so we say that if he got involved in conduct detrimental, 114 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: we'd have the right to terminate the guaranteed part for 115 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: the back years. He says, or his agent says, oh no, 116 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: you can terminate the guaranteed part only for the remaining 117 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: part of the year in which the event occurs. Oddly, 118 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: something like this has never occurred in my memory with us. 119 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to occur. So we're sitting 120 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: here arguing over something that I think is pretty remote, 121 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: and I ask myself sometimes why the hell we're doing it, 122 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: But we are, and he's doing it too, And at 123 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: some point we got to put this stuff behind and 124 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: just get him signed and get him up here and 125 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 3: get him so he can be a contributor. He needs 126 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 3: to get underw soon. It doesn't help him or us 127 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 3: to have this strung out. 128 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: He is going to be a fantastic NFL football player. 129 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: He really is, because he's fierce, he's determined, he's strong, 130 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: he's fast, and nothing but high level respect for his ability. 131 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: And I think he's an excellent person and I'm looking 132 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: forward to having them here and having them around our 133 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: football team. Earlier is better with most things, and this 134 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: one would fall into that category. 135 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: Then there's Trey Hendrickson, who is under contract, wants a raise, 136 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: had an extension. 137 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: Well, we're working at it. It came over here and 138 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: we have people back in our office who are sharpening 139 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: their pencils and trying to figure that out as I speak. 140 00:09:51,320 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: Here has been a long negotiation. Trey Henderson is a 141 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: fine player, he's a good guy. We want him here. 142 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: Dealing with him is sometimes not so easy. That's all right. 143 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: He's got the right to argue his case. We'll try 144 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: to make sense of it from our perspective. We'll see 145 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: I'm not persuaded that it isn't going to get done. 146 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better. 147 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: Trays an important part of our football team, and it's 148 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: been a very good player for us. I have a 149 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: ton of respect for him. He is part of our 150 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: football team. He's under contract, and like I said in 151 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: the past, he's earned a raise, he's earned an extension. 152 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: We're trying to do that and hopefully we'll be able 153 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: to do something that makes him happy and that we 154 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: can work with. It's not a bad thing having a 155 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: ton of good players, and a lot with good players 156 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: come very big contracts, and we've got that. That's what 157 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: makes our team good because we have dynamic, first rate players, 158 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: and so it's a good problem to have. But we're 159 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 2: working through it and hopefully something can come together. Right now, 160 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: he's a part of our football team. We expect him 161 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: to be here. 162 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: The Bengals are obviously not the only team with contract issues, 163 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: but whenever they have one, some members of the national 164 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: media label them as cheap. That's despite the massive deals 165 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: given to Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins over 166 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: the last two years. 167 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 3: Oh, it's just the form of foolish and sweat. We 168 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: deal with the media, and the media says things. A 169 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: lot of what they say is really on point and helpful, 170 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: and sometimes what they say is invalid, not true, just 171 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: the opinion of someone who isn't informed. That pretty well 172 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: falls into that question you ask, in my opinion, fall 173 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: into the ladder department. Because we operate under a cap system. 174 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: We pay out the last couple of years more than 175 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: the cap, so that reduces what we can pay in 176 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: the future. But that isn't being cheap. It's just trying 177 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: to make the system operate the way we can. Sometimes 178 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: we paid out so much in the cap system that 179 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: it makes it hard to form up a contract for someone. 180 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: At the end of the negotiating period, the money's already 181 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: been paid to others. That influences what we can pay. 182 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: But it isn't the question of being cheap. We will 183 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: pay out the full cap and go forward. As far 184 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: as the stadium is concerned. Our deal is within the 185 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: generality of what other deals are for NFL teams and 186 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: markets similar to ours that have stadiums similar to ours. 187 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: We pay out as much as the other teams do. 188 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: It's just talk by people that really don't understand the 189 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 3: system or us, and I don't pay much attention to it. 190 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: That doesn't bother me much. 191 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: Instead of listening to praise or criticism, Mike focuses on 192 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: his football team. Chances are he'll be sitting on his 193 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: golf cart for every minute of training camp. 194 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 3: I do it because I like doing it. I've done 195 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: it all my life. This is a football business and 196 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: that appeals to me. It's what I want to be 197 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: involved and I want to see our players. I want 198 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 3: to watch how they're coach. I get pleasure out of 199 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: doing that. It's one of the benefits that I have 200 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: that is most important to me, and I enjoy it. 201 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: I like being in this business. I don't apologize for 202 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: doing it because I can do it, and it's something 203 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: that I have the right to do if I choose 204 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: to do it anyway. It's fun for me. It might 205 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: not be fun for everybody. I don't suppose it would be, 206 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: but for me, it's fun. I enjoy it. 207 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: Coming up next, my one on one conversation with Mike. 208 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: As we look back at some significant anniversaries. But first, 209 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: here's a quick reminder that the Bengals Booth podcast is 210 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: brought to you by Pai Core, Proud to be the 211 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: Bengals official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future Proof 212 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: Fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business and community 213 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: to a new level, and by Kettering Health the best 214 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: care for the best fans. Kettering Health is the official 215 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: healthcare provider of the Bengals. Now here's my latest visit 216 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: with Mike Brown. Mike, I want to start with an anniversary. 217 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: This is the seventieth anniversary of your father's seventh and 218 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: final Pro football championship team, the nineteen fifty five Cleveland Browns. 219 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: Between the ages of ten and twenty, your dad's team 220 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: played for a league championship every year as a young man. 221 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: Did you take it for granted? 222 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: Oh not really. I remember when I was in high school. 223 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: So that's a sophomore in high school and what's make 224 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: me fifteen? We lost to the Rams, and when I 225 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: got there, the high school coach said to me that 226 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: this sun will come up tomorrow. Of course I knew 227 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: that I resented him saying that because I didn't want 228 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: to be thought of as so stupid that I would 229 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: be unable to handle what happened. And he had great teams, 230 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: a lot of great players. The other day I looked, 231 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: and I think I came up with eight who were 232 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. I think it's actually beyond 233 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: that because it was over seventeen years in Cleveland, but 234 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: in the first a few years they had eight, and 235 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: they were mainly offensive players. It was a fun time, 236 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: it was. I just took it as the way the 237 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: world was. In the high school kids would would go 238 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: up to a football game that was a night that 239 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: we weren't playing whatever nearby with my buddies and sitting 240 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: in the crowd, and one of them always liked to 241 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: start saying that Paul Brown, he's a dumbest solb and 242 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: then the people around would react, and it always delighted 243 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: him when they reacted in a way that was supposed 244 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: to make me angry, but of course it didn't. But 245 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: it was a memory I had of those times. 246 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: How did those great years influence your desire to make 247 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: this your life's work? 248 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 3: Well, I liked the football part of it, This part 249 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: of it that I've been in all my life, was 250 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: not what I set out to do, but he did 251 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: not want me to be a football coach, and I 252 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: can understand why. It's a hard life in a lot 253 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: of ways. So I went to law school and I 254 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: ended up here. The fun of it's in the coaching area, 255 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 3: not so much the administrative area. 256 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: Did you watch game films with him or sit in 257 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: on any coaches meet? 258 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: I did. I was allowed to just roam around as 259 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 3: though I was a speck on the wall, and I 260 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: watched how they did things and how he did things. 261 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: And I even remember one time we were looking at 262 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: the film in the basement of the house and he 263 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: got called to the phone, and I'm sitting there and 264 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: they began to talk about him and their grievances as though, 265 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: you know, I guess I wasn't gonna know or respond. 266 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 3: But it was a very fun way to grow up, 267 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: and I'm grateful for it. 268 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: Seven years after that nineteen fifty five championship season, he 269 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: got forced out in Cleveland, and you had to deal 270 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: with Art Modell for decades as he owned the Browns 271 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: and the Ravens. Was that difficult for you personally? 272 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: Well, it was for our family. It really did impact 273 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: my father. It was something that he quite honestly, never 274 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: thought could happen, and it did. So he was out 275 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 3: of football for five years, and it was during that 276 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 3: time that we pursued the franchise that became the Bengals. 277 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: Except for him, there wouldn't be a franchise in Cincinnati. 278 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: It's just that cut and drying, and I think that's 279 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: something that pleases me. I don't go around talking about it, 280 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: but it's always something that I take pride in. 281 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: We're visiting the Bengals President Mike Brown. Let's move to 282 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: another anniversary. This is the fiftieth anniversary of the nineteen 283 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: seventy five Bengals, a team that went eleven and three, 284 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: the franchise record for best winning percentage in a season. Unfortunately, 285 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: two of the three regular season losses were to the Steelers, 286 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: who went on to win the Super Bowl. The other 287 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: loss that year was to the Browns, who were zero 288 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: to nine at the time. They were coached by Forrest Gregg. 289 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: Did that game have any impact on your decision and 290 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: your father's decision as well to hire Forrest a few 291 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: years later? 292 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: I think my father was impressed with how Forrest coached, 293 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: and I think that it didn't hurt that Forrest got 294 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: fired by Art Model two. They had something in common. 295 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: Forest became a dear friend of mine when he was 296 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: done here because we weren't so different in age, and we 297 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: would go out every Friday night with Forrest and his 298 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: wife and me and my wife, and Jack Schiff and 299 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: his wife, and we just were a group of couples 300 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 3: that would go out and have a nice time together. 301 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: I have a high opinion of for Us as a person, 302 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: and he was different. I think it was good that 303 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: he was different because I came to understand how some 304 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: of that worked too. He was a wonderful guy. 305 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: That seventy five team lost by three in the playoffs 306 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: on the road at Oakland, and then four days after 307 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: the season, your father announced he was stepping down his 308 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: head coach. He was sixty seven at the time. Pete 309 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: Carroll's going to be seventy four this year. Bill Belichick 310 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: is moving on to a college job at the age 311 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: of seventy three. If your father had kept coaching after 312 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: that eleven and three final season, would history have been 313 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: significantly different for the Bengals. 314 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. It is something that nobody knows, but 315 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: that team, we had a good team. We lost Oakland 316 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 3: in a playoff game at Oakland, and the reason we 317 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: lost was we were in position to win the game. 318 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 3: It looked like we were going to win the game. 319 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: We were within field goal range, and then we didn't 320 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 3: block one of their rushers who was a good player, 321 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 3: and that determined the game. I remember sitting on the 322 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 3: bus afterwards and the old Kentucky quarterback that played forever, 323 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: the kicker. Maybe you can remember George George. George walked 324 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: out and he saw me sitting there and he said, Oh, 325 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 3: don't be so desponded, that your time will come. And 326 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: I don't know what that was supposed to do for me. 327 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 3: It was not much solace at the time. 328 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about another anniversary. This is the twentieth anniversary 329 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: of the two thousand and five season that was the 330 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: first of Marvin Lewis's four AFC North titles. It's one 331 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: of my favorite seasons as a Bengals fan. Carson Palmer 332 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: emerged as one of the NFL's best young quarterbacks. Chad 333 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: Johnson became a national sensation. Odell Thurman might have had 334 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: the best year by a rookie defensive player you've ever had. 335 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: Do you have a fondness for that two thousand and 336 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: five team. 337 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 3: They have a fondness for the individual players. Carson was 338 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 3: a great passer. He could really throw the ball just 339 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: about as well as you would ever see. And Thurman 340 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 3: had exceptional quickness. We've had some great full Perdon mess, 341 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: some great middle linebackers, and he was one of them. 342 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: Really a good player. And who is the other one 343 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: that you Chad? Chad? Of course was Chad. He the quickness, 344 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 3: he could get separation, and he was fearless until he 345 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 3: wasn't later in his career, but at that stage he was. 346 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 3: That was a good group of talented players. And some 347 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: of these things hang by a here. You just look 348 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: back and wonder why they didn't get over the hump. 349 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: They're so close. And we were good enough to have 350 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: done it with that team. We were good enough to 351 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: have done. 352 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: It, and unfortunately we know what happened in the playoffs. 353 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: On your first offensive snap against the Steelers, Carson tours 354 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: ACL and Pittsburgh not only won the game, but went 355 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: on to win the Super Bowl. He lost Greg Cook 356 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: after a brilliant rookie year, kajohn A Carter tore his 357 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: ACL in his first preseason game. Tim Krumery broke his 358 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: leg in multiple places in Super Bowl twenty three. Football 359 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: injuries happened, But do you think the Bengals have had 360 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: unusually bad life. 361 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: Of whatever our luck has been, if that's what it was, 362 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: was in the cards, And I don't really think of 363 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: it in that since we've had some times when guys 364 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: got hurt. Probably there were times when the other teams 365 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: felt the same way. But the players that you just 366 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 3: mentioned were really good players, and when they got hurt 367 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 3: that would have affected us. Over the years, there been 368 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: so many really outstanding players. I do think that it 369 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: is the case that our top players get less notice 370 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: or media attention than some do in the larger markets. 371 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: And the other thing that is just the fact if 372 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: you're going to be considered special in this business, you 373 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: better win the Super Bowl, and we haven't. And that's 374 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: the thing that puts a cap on the attention we get. 375 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: I have one more anniversary and unfortunately one more injury. 376 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: This is the tenth anniversary of the twenty fifteen team 377 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: that started eight to oh. They had a ten and 378 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: two record when Andy Dalton broke his thumb. Denver went 379 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: on to win the Super Bowl with an injury hampered Peyton, 380 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: Manning leading the way before he retired at full strength 381 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: that year. Did you feel like you had the AFC's 382 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: best team. 383 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: I always feel like we have the It was a 384 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: good team, and he was a fine player, very steady 385 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: and very accurate. When I say steady, he wasn't upset 386 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: by things that could discombobulate a quarterback. He just worked 387 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 3: right through them, and he was a special player for us. 388 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: We've had other top quarterbacks, I think more than our share, 389 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 3: but we've had them, and we've had a lot of 390 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 3: good teams because of them. We're sort of offensively oriented 391 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: as a general rule, and that requires the top quarterback, 392 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: and we've managed to have those guys. But you don't 393 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 3: have them every year. It is just the way the 394 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 3: league works. Right now, we have one that's pretty special 395 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 3: and I have hopes. I guess because of that. 396 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: We are having this conversation just before the start of 397 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: training camp. Did you take a vacation in the off 398 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: season where you didn't come into the office. 399 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 3: Well, I like coming into the office, so this is 400 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 3: a little niche for me to go pad around in 401 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 3: and I have a lot of books down here that 402 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: I can read if I have time. It's probably the 403 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 3: case that my wife is glad that I go out 404 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: of the house for most of the day, and anyway, 405 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: I don't think of vacationing. It's a mistake I made 406 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: when I was younger, not to take vacations with the 407 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: family like I should have. I did a couple of times, 408 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 3: but not enough. I always encourage our guys to do that. 409 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: I've lived my life on this schedule. When my father 410 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: was coaching, I used to be the one that was 411 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: handed the keys when he went off in the wintertime 412 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: to Florida or later California, and then my job was 413 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: to make sure the place didn't blow up, which of 414 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 3: course it wasn't going to do. But it is a 415 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: nice life. I am lucky to have had a good run, 416 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: and I think the powers that being. 417 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: We recently learned that Dave Lapham and Lamar Parrish are 418 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: going into the Bengals Ring of Honor. What immediately comes 419 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: to mind when you think of those two great former Bengals. 420 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: Well with Lamar, he was truly a great player. He 421 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: was the best cornerback I've ever seen. He was what 422 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: they call a shutdown cornerback. Every team talks as though 423 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: they might have one, but you don't really see very many. 424 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 3: Lamar was the quickest guy we ever had. He was 425 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: a great returner, great punt returner. I think he still 426 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 3: holds a record here for longest average punt return over 427 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: the course of a season, something like seventeen point five 428 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: yards or whatever it is. Eight Well, good for you, 429 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: good for him, Yes, that's right, and he deserves this. 430 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 3: Dave is a special guy. First saw him at the 431 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 3: North South game back when he was in his senior 432 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: year of college of getting ready for the draft, and 433 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 3: I went into the locker room down there at Old 434 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 3: Stadium downtown in Birmingham. Dave was a big, impressive guy. 435 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: He was just sitting on the training table and I 436 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: walked by and I thought, geez, that guy he built right, 437 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: what's wrong with him? And anyway, he caught my eye. 438 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: Then afted him as I remember in the third round. 439 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 3: He played for a long long time. He could play 440 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: every single position. Very smart guy. He just does not 441 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: the one that shows off how intelligent he is. He 442 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: makes a point of not being noticed that way. But 443 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: I've always respected him. He's done a great job for us. 444 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 3: After his football career as well as during his career, 445 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: and I think of him as an integral part of 446 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: our organization. He's a very special man. I like him 447 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 3: a lot. 448 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. Training camp gets underway on Wednesday. 449 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: Are the butterflies and the excitement level as great as ever. 450 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: After being around pro football training camps for more than 451 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: seventy years now. 452 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 3: I always look forward to this. It's something that probably 453 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 3: isn't made for everybody, but for me, it's what I know, 454 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: what I've done all my life, and when the football 455 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 3: starts up, it's like the band coming down the street 456 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 3: and the parade. I just feel it in my bones 457 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: and want to get out and see I like looking 458 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 3: at the new players, and that's it's fun to see 459 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 3: what they look like and think about how they might fit, 460 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 3: what they might do to improve it. That'll be in 461 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: the next day or two that I get out there 462 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: and do that. Now look forward to it. It is 463 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 3: true that we have them during the off season anymore, 464 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 3: but you don't do enough in those workouts to get 465 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 3: the feel for a player that you do during training 466 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: camp when they are actually playing the game some and 467 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: you get to see how they can handle things, so yes, 468 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 3: this is one of the best times of the year 469 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: for me sort of. My dad used to say, is 470 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 3: a Christmas when they had the draft. Well, this is 471 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: Christmas after you've opened the presence, I guess, which is 472 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 3: not a bad thing. 473 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: I always enjoy our trips down memory Lane. I know 474 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: the fans enjoyed as well. Thanks so much for your time, Mike. 475 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. 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