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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you, a production of iHeartRadio. And welcome

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Speaker 1: to another sub sub sub segment of fictional women around

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Speaker 1: the world where we are continuing our Star Wars celebration

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Speaker 1: in honor of the fortieth anniversary I Returned the Jeddi

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Speaker 1: and the forty fifth anniversary of a New Hope. And

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Speaker 1: this is kind of like as this comes out, kind

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Speaker 1: came out. So it feels like a very Star Wars

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Speaker 1: time to me. Holly friend of the show, a huge

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Speaker 1: Star Wars fan. Her birthdays around this time, and I

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Speaker 1: always think of her, and so I'm just in a

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Speaker 1: Star Wars state of mind, which is, you know, like

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Speaker 1: my usual but whatever. Still, Also, I always appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: Samantha going on for this ride. You already heard me

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Speaker 1: get a little worked up. Oh I this time before.

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Speaker 2: You'd be like, okay, let's record this, because.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I will say there are spoilers.

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Speaker 1: I'll say massive spoilers for Mandalorian season three if you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I have not seen it, but I've

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Speaker 1: already been spoiled. On it. I was spoiled on it

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Speaker 1: before we decided to do this, so I'm not mad

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Speaker 1: about it, but just know there are going to be

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Speaker 1: I did leave some things out, but you're going to

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Speaker 1: be pretty spoiled. Okay, okay, Yes, you can also see

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Speaker 1: our Stine Kreese episode, and our Sabine Rim episode which

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Speaker 1: we just had as a classic, and our Ahsoka episode

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Speaker 1: because the character we're talking about today, Boca Tan Kreese,

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Speaker 1: that out. I guess you could also see the one

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Speaker 1: I did about toxicity in Mandalorian culture. I guess you

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Speaker 1: could check that out too, Okay. A lot of stuff,

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. This character is so fascinating to

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Speaker 1: me because she's both she's like well loved and well

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Speaker 3: seen thus far, and again that's not including the rabbit.

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Speaker 1: Little attack of the Clay Clawns and yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: going to go through history, and it is a bumpy history.

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Speaker 1: But I've just always found that kind of interesting is

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Speaker 1: Katie Sakoff, has an interview that's kind of gone viral,

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Speaker 1: at least in my circle. It probably hasn't, but like

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Speaker 1: the Star Wars circle, it's kind of gone viral where

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Speaker 1: she kind of breaks down the percentage of like seventy

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Speaker 1: I found out when I visited my mom on Mother's Day.

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Speaker 1: She is in her Star Wars era. She has seen

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Speaker 1: more than me. She has seen Mandalorians.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean she hasn't seen some of the cartoons,

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Speaker 1: but she's seen like a lot of stuff that I

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Speaker 1: She uses my Disney Plus account and she was worried

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Speaker 1: Fix it. It was very very It's not lost. She

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Speaker 1: Kind of know what happens. But she was in it, man,

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Speaker 1: about like some really obscure Star Wars stuff.

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Speaker 1: Of course she her watching the Holiday Special was one

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Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of Star Wars stuff happening

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Speaker 1: This is like shame to my name, like what I did,

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so Keen is Bokatan's sister. So

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Speaker 1: there they play big rolls on. They're kind of opposites

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Speaker 1: But she first appeared in the fourteenth episode of the

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, at this point he has so many

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Speaker 3: already dedicated, so might as welcome for the pets now right.

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Speaker 1: I do love kind of the contrast of Setene Bokatar

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Speaker 1: name wise, Yes, so Bokaton Kreze is voiced and played

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Speaker 1: in live action by Katie Sackoff. It was a big

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Speaker 1: Their relationship is complicated in the source of a lot

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Speaker 1: just funny.

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Speaker 2: Just because no, no, no, no, that makes more sense.

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Speaker 1: No, it's more because it's sort of Mandalorian history is

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Speaker 1: like it's all, it's all.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have three different versions of the original movement.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And then I did want to end with this

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Speaker 1: She's very she's very She's a compelling character. Yeah, she

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Speaker 1: she is very conflicted, and she did make these huge

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Speaker 1: I would say I accurately did help bring the end

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Speaker 1: especially like her sister died in part because of like

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Speaker 1: she's got a lot going on, and I'm sure she's

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Speaker 1: I've heard rumors that she might. Okay, so we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. And I could go on and on about

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Speaker 1: her too, but for now. That's it. For now, That

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