WEBVTT - Pride and Prejudice (2005) 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.560 On the bechdodcast, the questions asked if movies have women 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.960 and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:13.080 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy Zephyn Beast start 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.960 changing with the Bechdelcast. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.439 Hello listeners, here we are, here we are, and what 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:21.080 are we doing? 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:21.480 Well? 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.840 We are unlocking a Matreon episode. Ever heard of it? 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:26.680 I think? So? 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.920 Okay, great on the movie Pride and Prejudice two thousand 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:32.280 and five. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.920 I'm so excited we're doing this. We don't unlock Matreon 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.080 episodes very often. If you're new to the show, we 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.800 have a Patreon aka Matreon where we do two bonus 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.600 episodes every month. Feel free to join if you enjoy 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.199 this episode. But the reason we're unlocking this specific episode 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.760 from a couple of years ago now is it's the 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.880 two thousand and five Pride and Prejudice. It is one 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.280 of the only even though we are a famously book 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.880 hating podcast, we read the damn book oh this time, 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.160 which I mean, you know, really, the return on investment 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.360 is extraordinary in this one. But the reason we decided 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.679 to release it now is because it is a very 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.720 popular request on the main feed and it is being 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.720 re released into theaters to celebrate the twentieth anniversary of 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.959 the film. So we thought, you know, why not now 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.200 and it is. You know, it is a movie near 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.800 and dear to my heart, and we really hope you 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:27.759 enjoy the episode. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.320 Indeed, we released this originally as a part of a 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:37.320 Matreon theme called Jane Arykay a austin August, in which 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.360 we covered two movie adaptations of Jane Austen books, this 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.759 one Pride and Prejudice, as well as Emma Period from 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:51.880 twenty twenty yep. So yeah, we're unlocking this one. One 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:56.280 last thing I'd like to plug is I am doing 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.880 a stand up show a little you know, an evening 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:05.080 with Caitlin Derante and friends in State College, Pennsylvania. Ever 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.600 heard of it? It's where I went. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.440 Usually say that with very famous cities and not to 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.000 dispar as State College. But I was like, some people 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:13.680 might say no. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.520 Some people might say no, Well, it's the home of 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.079 penn State University's main campus, which is where I went 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.120 to school the first time. I rarely talk about it 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.280 because it has nothing to do with my master's degree 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.560 from Boston University. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:27.320 For sure. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.280 But I'm doing a stand up show there as well 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:35.400 as I'm teaching a stand up workshop a couple days later. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:41.640 So this is all on the weekend of April eleventh. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.800 So the show is on April eleventh, the workshop that 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:49.680 I'm teaching is on April thirteenth. Tickets for those things 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.040 are on our link tree, as well as the description 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.520 of this episode. And I'd love for you to come 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.840 out if you're in the central Pennsylvania area or wherever, 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.160 do a little road trip. Check out ten States Campus. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.679 It's pretty, it is very pretty, and then come see 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:07.440 me do comedy. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.440 You can't see me that weekend, I'll get my cousin's wedding, 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.440 And as far as I know, tickets aren't john sale 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.480 to the wedding, So go to Caitlyn show. Yeah, I 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.399 don't know. Maybe she'll fit it out later. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:18.560 Oh damn hopefully. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:19.000 Yeah. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.560 Also jumping in here separately recording a voice memo because 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:27.239 I just confirmed another show on April fifteenth. I'm going 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.079 to be in New York City doing a show called 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.240 A Night to Remember with Caitlin Dorante. Because April fifteenth, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.560 in addition to being the date of this show, is 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.400 also the date Titanic sank so of course, I'm doing 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:44.200 a Titanic themed stand up show about it at Union 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.840 Hall in Brooklyn with a really great lineup that includes 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.080 a lot of past Bechdel Cast guests, and I'm donating 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:55.200 proceeds from ticket sales to the Palestinian Children's Relief Fund. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.640 So please, please please come to this show. It's going 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.160 to be a really fun time again. Tickets to all 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.440 of these events can be found at link Tree slash 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.960 Bechtel Cast. Scoot over there, grab your tickets, have the 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.280 best time, Come say hi after the show's and without 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:17.000 much further ado, here is our unlocked episode on Pride 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:18.640 and Prejudice. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:23.320 And now Tom wamscans as mister Darcy the Bedel Cast. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:29.560 Jamie, you have bewitched me body and soul. Oh I 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.120 love I love you. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.960 I like, I was getting so emotional. It's really beautiful. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:43.680 It's really beautiful. Yeah, sorry, I know, I know, but 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.000 also like I kind of don't know. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.480 I'm like, wow, I don't know either. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:53.000 I truly like it's not there's no perfect love story, 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.240 but this is like, oh my god. Okay, welcome to 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.440 the Pride and Prejudice episode. First of all, I think 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.920 we should just acknowledge at the top we were wrong 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.039 to avoid this for so long, yeah, because we're like, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.680 I mean, it was a lot of prep. We'll get there. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.960 But I think that like as far as like effectively 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.359 told love stories about the complexities of love and getting 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.600 to know each other and like learning one another over 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.840 time and having empathy and compassion. And I was just like, 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.440 it's so good. I kept crying, like Darcy's ultimately he's 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.240 an act like that. I still wouldn't have ultimately gone 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:33.719 for Darcy. No, but I'm lying, well, okay, that's the thing. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.919 Full of shit. Can watch this movie and be like, wow, 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:43.200 this tugs at my heart strings, and especially as someone 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:48.520 who is deeply cynical and is just much like Lizzie 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.839 thinks she's going to be an old maid, I think 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:55.200 that about myself. So I'm just like love. But then 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.400 I watched this movie and I'm like, maybe love Israel. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.479 I don't know. But then also there's a lot of 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.320 things about the romance in this movie where I'm like, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.839 I don't know about this. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.680 But then then it's like also in the historical context, 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:08.200 you're like. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.640 Right, the like well, but then the other half of 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.400 my briend is like I don't care because love nobody. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.080 I know I got being, like nobody's perfect. After all, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.960 all you can hope for is growth, and they both 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:27.440 grew so much it makes me cry. And also, I 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.640 know you still don't watch Succession, But to all of 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.159 the matrons who do watch Succession, this is just a 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.520 little chat but tween me and you, because what a 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.640 fun rewatch this is after you've seen I know I've 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.080 like described this to a million times Kitlin, But mister 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:48.600 Darcy on Succession plays the most cowardly man from the 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.080 Midwest that you've ever seen in your life. Like he's 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.560 just like a total Like it's hard to but he 0:06:55.600 --> 0:07:00.240 plays a character named like Tom womscans and Okay, you 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.479 just have to see how different he is to fully 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.360 and this is a feminist podcast, and I'm like, Matthew 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.200 mcfattyan is the most talented actor in the world, but 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.600 like he's pretty amazing. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.720 Is that how you say his name McFadyen. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.160 Yes, okay, which I only know because I watch all 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:22.080 his Succession interviews because I'm a dork. He's so good 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.280 and looks so different and it's also like whatever, fifteen 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.480 years later, as Tom womscans that I didn't realize, for 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.880 like the first season of Succession, that he was mister Darcy. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:32.960 Whoa. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.880 Okay, I'm done praising men. But I love Matthew mcfaddyan, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.040 so pride and prejudice. Okay. We finally did it, and 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:45.000 and we read the book. Read we read the book book, 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.880 and we liked. Did you like? Did you I like? 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.240 I don't like the book, which I'm sure is like heresy, 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.680 it's blasphemy. I find it. 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:55.480 Books are boring. 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:57.800 Books are boring. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.360 No, I don't even think that's a controversial take point 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.480 in society. Its books are famously boring. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:08.520 It is written in language that is old enough that 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.000 I don't fucking understand a single word of it. There 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.440 are too many characters, there's a lot of just like 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.280 meandery story that doesn't really serve much of a function. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.840 We're not literary critics, okay. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.960 But I think the movie is a great example of 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.560 like an adaptation that very effectively takes a book that 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.600 I know is beloved, and I know it's great. I 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.480 just didn't understand. I didn't enjoy myself when I was 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.280 reading it. I found it confusing, and I don't know 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.400 who any of the characters are. But I think the 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.960 movie does a really good job of streamlining the story 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:50.640 and like condensing things and like really focusing the narrative 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.600 into a movie that wonder I've watched four times now. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.880 Weak it's so like, we'll get there. 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.840 I will say that the reason a lot of the 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.000 reason that the book is kind of feels like it's 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.800 repeating itself constantly and like introducing random people is because 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.160 it was released in three volumes. Oh yeah, that was 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.240 like a regency novel thing where you would get the 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.400 book in three chunks. So that's why I feel like 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.800 at some points it's either repeating yourself or like characters 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.040 that are in one section kind of disappear because you're like, well, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.800 it's kind of like the second volume of Pride and Prejudice, 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.200 So these characters are here for now and then they're gone. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.320 I did enjoy listen. I mean we both listened to 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.640 the Rosamond Pike Rosamond Pike, Rosamund Pike. I don't know 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.200 Rosamond Pike audio book, which is a delight. It was 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.840 really I was if matrons. If I'm sounding loopy today, 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.680 it's because I am. I was just in Florida for 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:47.040 a week. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:47.840 You're doing great. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.120 But I was in as in a hotel room in 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:55.120 Tallahassee last weekend, listening to listening to the Pride and 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.160 Prejudice audio book on like my portable speaker, and someone 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.000 like banged on the wall and was like, turn it 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:07.160 down because Rosmund Pike was just wailing. She was wailing 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.360 about you know, I didn't realize that the walls were 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.440 that thin, but it was a super it. So what 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:12.000 can you do? 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.600 I mean, and she's doing different voices. She's so versatile 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:16.679 in her performance. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.280 I love that she loved being in Pride and Prejudice 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.440 so much that she was like, yeah, one hundred percent, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.240 Like hmm, what a fun way to be, just like 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.320 Jane Austen Cannon. Yeah, anyways, as you were saying, I 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.320 think that this, yeah, this book, this movie. Sorry, because 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.560 it was also adapted as a British mini series that 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.760 I know people love. Uh that I was like, I 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.160 thought I considered watching him, Like I already read a book. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.199 This is so damn long. 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.320 I did watch the first half of the first episode 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.120 and I do intend to finish it, but it is 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.400 it is very long. Yeah, and I didn't have the 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.840 patience for it, and then time ran out. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.719 We know what happens in the movie. Okay, like we 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.839 know what happens in the story. But this is the 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:06.800 Joe Wright two thousand and five adaptation starring I would 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.400 say this is the millennial Pride in Prejudice. The mini 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.240 series is the gen X Pride and Prejudice. Sure, sure, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.319 this is the millennial Pride and Prejudice. It's Kieran Knightley, 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:20.280 it's Tom from Succession, It's Donald Sutherland, it's I kind 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.480 of and it was kind of fun. I hadn't seen 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.880 this movie, and well, okay, what's your history with it? 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:31.000 I loved Pride and Prejudice in middle school. I loved 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.360 Jane Austen in middle school. This was early into my 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.839 you know, look, I'm not like other girls. And I 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.400 was really, do you like books? Because I like book 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.199 and reading, and so I was kind of cultivating. I 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.960 was hacking away at that persona while. I was wearing 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.480 a back brace because I really needed something else to 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.880 be my thing. So, and I will say, if there's 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.680 any twelve year olds looking for something to be their 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.000 thing when they're wearing a back brace, I wouldn't recommen 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:05.080 and books. It's not much cooler. Books in the opo 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.679 are not going to make you more popular at school. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.760 I don't know what I was thinking, you know, but 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.199 but I was really into trying to I mean it's 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.000 I was really into it. That's like why Lolita podcast exists. 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.880 I was really into like trying to read books that 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.320 were a little out of my depth, but I just 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.960 wanted to feel like I could read a big old book. Sure, 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.559 so I read Jane Austen novels and I sort of 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.280 understood them. And there are also so many this like 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.760 this Pride and Prejudice came out right around the time 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.800 I would have been trying to read it by myself, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.080 to the point that I have a really nice memory 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:45.040 with my dad around this movie because this movie came 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.400 out when I was in like sixth or seventh grade, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:52.200 and it was not how fun it was. Oh, I 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.640 guess it was very financially successful. It made one hundred 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.120 and twenty one million dollars, well. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.320 Off of a twenty eight million dollar budget. Yeah, that's 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:58.760 really good. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.400 But uh, it wasn't playing in my area at like 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.040 the big amc Like, it wasn't playing at the big theaters. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.240 You had to like drive forty five minutes to like 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.840 an independent movie theater to go see it. And I 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.520 really wanted to see it, and I thought my dad 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.160 was like, oh, I'll take you to like the local 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:17.880 movie theater and we'll go. And then we looked it 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.280 up and it wasn't playing, and originally he was like, sorry, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:22.600 I guess you'll just have to wait for it to 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:26.440 come out on DVD. And I was like okay, And 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.200 then the next day he like woke me up and 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.079 he was like, I've changed my mind. We're gonna drive 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.000 forty five minutes to see the movie, and so he like, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.440 I know, it was really nice. We went to this 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.120 I need to remember what the name of it was 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.199 in case any of the matrons live in Hangham, Massachusetts. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.000 But it was like this old. I'd never been to 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.079 a movie theater like it before. It was like this. 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.000 It wasn't like a multiplex cinema. It had like a 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.439 balcony and I remember like, I'd never seen a movie 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.640 theater with a balcony. And it was old and it 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.080 was Pride and Prejudice, and Pride and Prejudice is old, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.800 and it it was like one of my favorite memory. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.800 I've like wrote about it in my journal. Its like 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.920 top moments of two thousand and five, going to Fride 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:13.200 and Prejudice with Dad sat in balcony like it was. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.400 It's just such a lovely memory. And I loved the movie. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.920 I used to own it on DVD when I was 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.160 a kid, but I haven't seen it in a long time, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.720 like paying attention, and I was so relieved because nothing 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.800 that you saw when you were twelve holds up. And 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.320 I really loved watching this movie and I feel like 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.440 I appreciated it even more because now I know a 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.160 lot more about the filmmakers and the actors, and I 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.400 can appreciate like the economy of storyteller, Like that's what 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.440 I say, Yeah, this like but on all fronts, like 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.040 the screenplay trims out characters that you don't like Miss 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.200 like I kind of, and I really like the characters 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.720 that they choose to scale back to, Like Miss Bingley 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.120 is scaled way back from in the book where you 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.840 get the idea where yeah, she's a snob, that's kind 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.760 of all you need to know. She's a snob and 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.440 she's and she's finagling and bageling the couples, right, and 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.320 that's all you need to know. Yeah, the aunt and 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:13.360 uncle they're nice, that's all you need to know. Really, Wickham, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.840 he's a snake. That's all you need to know. You 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.200 don't need to spend all this time with Wickham. And 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.880 then on top of that, I kind of forgot how 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:26.160 much I really loved Joe Wright movies when I was 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.200 like a teenager, because like Kia Knightley was his muse. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.280 She was in Anna Karanaa, which was okay, but like 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.640 a teammate atonement. This movie confirmed to me that I'm 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:37.880 gonna go see Sierra. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:39.680 I'm going to it. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.720 I'm gonna I was gonna see it before, but now 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.640 I'm super gonna see it because he like he in 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.880 the in the DP, like they tell so much about 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.320 the characters in just like one shot, like all the 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.320 shots of the house where you get to know the 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.080 characters in like one line of dialect, or like the 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.080 shots of the parties where you like see these incredibly 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.720 choreographed shots where it's like you learn about ten characters 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.120 in the course of one shot, and it's just like beautiful. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.320 And that's cinema. As per Richard gear In, Chicago, and 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.640 that's Chicago, and that's cinema. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.360 It's genuinely so good. And then the fact that it's 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.160 like they cut out like I feel like every time 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:24.280 and we talk about adaptations, it's about oh, and then 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.960 they really inflated this random guy character from the book 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.280 and now he's like a main character. But this movie 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.480 does the opposite. It scales back random guys and gives 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.720 you more sisters. It's still I would say. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:41.480 Gives you too much dad, But and I think that 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.720 that is like I think my only major criticism of 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.920 the movie is I feel like, based on what I 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.280 was picking up from the book and then I like 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.240 kind of verified this in a couple of essays, the 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:59.240 Bennett parents are well intentioned, they love their children. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.040 But they're not amazing parents. They're very flawed parents, sure, 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.600 and I feel like this movie makes that clear. But 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:12.440 it gives Donald Sutherland Daddy a redemption arc at the end, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.080 and you're still supposed to think that the mom is 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.560 like pretty silly and pretty like yeah, And I feel 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.800 like in the book that arc, that arc didn't happen 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.000 because you get that whole Donald Sutherland speech where he 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.639 were and I mean, I was crying because it was 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.960 really nice. But you know that doesn't happen in the book. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.679 He doesn't go like, I love my daughter so much 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.240 and whatever you want is the right thing. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.520 Go off, queen, Like there's that a whole scene, right, 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.119 which I wouldn't have minded if Missus Bennett got a 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.720 similar kind of two thousand and five treatment. But I 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.720 felt like Donald Sutherland daddy got this, like got this 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.520 little this little flourish at. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.040 The end that he doesn't get in the book. And 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:55.800 it's like, well, do both or do none? 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.480 Right? I definitely have some thoughts about the parents and 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.600 their relationship to each other and their relationship to their daughters. Yeah, 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.240 so we can we'll get into. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:12.760 But Jenna Malone is in this movie Sprinkling of Americans 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:17.879 Sprinkling because I was like, jennam alone, Donald's otherland, Canadian, 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:19.840 Jenna alone American? 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.000 Right, Well that thing happened where I was like, wait, 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.280 has Jenna Malone secretly been English this whole time? And 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.080 we just didn't know? But she just does a convincing 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.880 English accent, So good for her. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.080 I think the first time I watched this movie, I 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:38.840 did not know who Carrie Mulligan or Rosamund Pike were. 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.479 I think I knew who Jennam Malone was because she 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.520 was a child star who was in this movie called 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.800 Stepmom starring Susan Sara. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.840 Oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen it. I think I think 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.760 early I know about it. Who knows. My brain is 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:53.680 full of too many movies. I don't know what I've 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.879 seen and what I haven't. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.359 So I like knew who she but like most of 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.160 the everyone in this movie is famous, like. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:06.760 Everyone except for Mary, although maybe I'll bite my tongue. 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.639 She was on West World. Oh she was on West World. 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.960 Okay, yeah, she's not as famous. I have a whole 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.040 like justice for Mary Bennett segment of my notes. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.919 But I see I liked because I felt like and 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:25.159 maybe and again, books are long, and I will be 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.800 the first to admit that between Mary, Kitty and Lydia 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.320 like basically the sisters who aren't Jane and Elizabeth, sometimes 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.520 I'd be like, wait, which one is which personality? Like 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.480 it's kind of easy to lose track. But I felt 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.119 like Mary was very visually distinct in the movie. I 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.520 wish that she had more Yes, I wish we just 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.719 knew what happened to her. But that's also kind of like, 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.879 does Jane Austen tell us what happens to Mary? No? 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.439 And I think that the book cares less about the 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.440 Mary character than the movie does. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.000 What I loved about movie Mary is they kind of 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.879 like style it Stickley speaking in two thousand and five terms. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.080 They kind of like hot topiced her. They were like, 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.120 she's gone with our goth she's literally because she's kind 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.720 of she reminds me of Lydia from Beetlejuice. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.120 Well, there's a scene where they're all at the Bingley 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.240 estate and it's Missus Bennett and then the three youngest 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.200 daughters all on a couch together, and the and Missus 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:27.760 Bennett and Kitty and Lydia are all wearing pastels, you know, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.200 a lavender of pink, a light green. And then Mary's God, 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.120 she's like in black and dark browns. 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:35.200 I love her. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:36.600 She's the goth sister. 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.760 And I also loved that, Like I don't know, like 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.040 I just all of the characters in the book, but 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.440 like especially in them. I've just been like triply impressed 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.560 with how it's done in the movie because it's like 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.399 less time and less baggage, but you still get I 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.760 feel like an even clearer idea of who the characters are. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.520 I like that. It's like, even though Mary like comes 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.959 off as very like standoffish and solemn and like alone 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.439 her and she literally is like playing the piano all 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.560 the time. I'm like, oh my god, hot topic, sister, 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:09.560 but she also like you get to see her express emotion. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.520 Like she there's that moment in one of those amazing 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:18.280 shots where she like starts crying and Donald Sutherland, because 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.479 he's like not an emotionally intelligent dad, It's like, oh no, 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.960 I made my daughter cry And this all happens in 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.879 the background of a shot. It's like so amazing. I 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:30.679 love this movie. 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:34.760 Yeah, we check in on her, and yeah, to certain people, 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:38.359 she might seem you know, standoffish or aloof or whatever. 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:42.400 But it's just because like she's socially awkward. She's misunderstood, 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:46.080 much like mister Darcy, I guess, except that he's also 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:46.720 an asshole. 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.000 Mister I mean, mister Darcy. Does he display growth? Yes? 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.480 Does he display enough growth that I would have married him? 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:59.520 In that moment, I want to say no. I want 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.199 to say no, right, but also I want Elizabeth to 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:07.240 be so happy it makes me cry. Like I love 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:12.280 It's it's I feel like Elizabeth Bennett and like Joe March, 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.200 like they're just like just characters that you're just like, Okay, 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.280 I don't necessarily agree. I mean, I I like mister 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:23.560 Darcy better than random guy that Joe Joe March ends 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.160 up with random professor. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:25.960 Yeah. 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.720 Yeah, but but you know you're like, Okay, maybe I 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.199 wouldn't have done the same thing, but you seem happy, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.840 and you've been through so much, and I want you 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.840 to be happy. I just want Elizabeth Bennett to be happy, busy. 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:44.280 Oh my god, she loves she loves her tall, awkward bangs. Husband. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.560 The bangs are a lot. The bangs are a lot. 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:50.199 Wait on mister Darcy. 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.320 On mister Darcy. Yeah, his hair, his hair. 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:54.920 His head, his head. 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.880 It's it makes me laugh because it is like there 0:22:57.920 --> 0:22:59.880 are I feel like for the most part, I mean, Joe, 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.480 that's kind of like Joe Wright's thing. He creates these 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:07.320 very engrossing, visually appealing period pieces. But you can still 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.840 I feel like the one tell that it's two thousand 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.280 and five or the two tells is that Kuran Nightley 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:16.719 is the lead and mister Darcy's hair is flat ironed 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.000 the whole movie. What is that? Why is his hair 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.639 is straightened into bangs the way that a hot topic 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:25.919 sister would do. I mean maybe that was also happening 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.199 during the regency era, but I was like, this is 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.280 what scene boys were doing at my middle school. Why 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.360 is why' is sister Darcy doing it? 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:36.800 I mean, some people's hair just lays like that. 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.760 I don't know, I don't know. We'll have to take 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:43.439 it up with mcfaddyen. But okay, what's your history with 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:44.480 Pride and Prejudice? 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.560 I had seen it right around when it came out, 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:52.320 just that one time, didn't ever read the book, did 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.000 watch Bridget Jones's diary, and I had forgotten that it 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.800 is a very loose adaptation of Pride Prejudice. So when 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:02.520 I started reading the book, I was like, And then 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:06.159 to clarify that I have a copy of the book, 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:11.560 I listened to the Rosamund Pike. Basically I let her 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.120 read it to me as I read along in the book, 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.280 which is how I'm gonna read books from now on. 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.800 Like I never I like, don't know why, I never thought, 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:20.679 oh my God, to do that before? 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:21.320 Please? 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:23.080 And then like, but it's so much easier. 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.399 You use the library a lot, get audiobooks from the library. 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.360 That's literally how I do. Like, I wouldn't be able 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:33.160 to do any research if I couldn't listen to audiobooks. Period. 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.399 Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking before. So 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.840 that's how I'm gonna I'm just gonna like read along 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:44.480 as some person reads at me. Also, So anyway, that's 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.960 how I consumed the book. And then as I as 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.200 I was consuming it, I was like, oh, wait a minute, 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:51.879 this sounds this seems very familiar and sort of like 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.320 what happens in Bridget Jones's diary. And then I was like, right, 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.800 that is an adaptation of that. Okay, So I had 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.320 seen the movie only once. I remembered two scenes from 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.040 it and nothing else. I remember the scene where Darcy 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:10.320 and Bingley are approaching the house for the first time. 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.720 A frenzy ensues because they're like, oh my god, we 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.800 have to make ourselves look presentable, and then they like 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.040 pinch their cheeks a little bit to like, yeah, basically 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.879 like give themselves some rouge. I distinctly remember that. And 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:24.879 then the other scene I remember, which is one of 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.760 my favorite scenes in the movie, and this also happens 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:32.159 in the book where mister Collins has proposed to Elizabeth. 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.520 She has said no, Missus Bennett is like, Lizzie, what 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:38.280 the hell are you doing? You gotta say yes to 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:40.320 this guy. I will never speak to you again if 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.000 you don't marry him. And then mister Bennett is like, well, 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.600 that's what your mom says. She'll never see you again 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:48.840 if you don't marry him, and I'll never see you 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.080 again if you do. And I was like, Bam, I. 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.840 Mean cool, it's a good moment. And it's like that's 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.040 straight from the book baby, Like mm hmm, that's a 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:04.000 really effectively done scene. And yeah, I love Lizzie God. 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.800 I just like and then, especially like with the historical 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:11.560 context of like just how I don't know whatever, we'll 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:14.480 talk about like women in general, I mean, and I 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:19.680 love that this movie focuses on relationships between women quite 0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:22.160 a bit. Yeah, quite a bit. I mean, the book 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:24.080 obviously does as well, but it also kind of goes 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.520 off on these tangents. I feel like there's like I 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.399 was getting so sick of Wickham because it's like you 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:31.520 find out he's a snake and then he's just still 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.480 around and you're like, who cares, We're done with him, 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:39.440 he's a scammer. But the fact that it's like it's 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:43.199 hard to reject anybody, but also like it wasn't just 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:46.520 a rejection she was doing. It was like there were 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.679 ties to her future, and there's ties to her like 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:58.159 security physically, mentally, emotionally, and financially, financially, her family is 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:00.840 all tied up in it as well, Like the stakes 0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:06.159 were so high, but she acted to her values. She's like, 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:10.399 I'm not gonna marry this fucking asshole who I Also, 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.479 I think that they added and I thought this was 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.359 like a smart choice. I'm pretty sure in the book, 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.440 does mister Collins say like, oh, I want to marry 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.119 Jane and then they're like, oh, you can't, but you 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.960 can marry Lizy. And then he's like, oh, okay, does 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:25.879 he say that? I mean, I feel like he definitely 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.200 like proposes to her. She says no, but I didn't 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:29.760 think that there was a moment where he was like, 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:31.879 Jane's my pick and they're like, sorry. 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.080 Well, here's the thing about books is that I don't 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.400 remember them, even though I read this one a week ago, 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:38.840 So I have no fucking idea. 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.920 I'm pretty sure, I mean, and feel free and briden 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.400 prejudice had feel free to sound off in the comments, 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.720 but I'm pretty sure that that doesn't happen. But again, 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.679 it's like it's that's a really effective story point for 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.240 the movie to make it clear that it's like, yeah, 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:58.240 she should not marry this fucking guy. 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:12.200 Yeah he sucks. Mm hmm. Should I do the recap? 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:16.640 Yeah? Okay, I love this story me too. 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:22.639 Okay. We are in the late eighteenth century, which is 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:25.680 a slight deviation from the book because the book takes 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:27.920 place I think in like eighteen twelve. 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:30.520 Yeah, like at the time it was like the book 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.040 was released or like, right, this is a modern book. 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.000 Eighteen thirteen something when it came out is when it 0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:39.960 was published. Yeah, the movie, and this is like based 0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:44.520 on some choices from Joe Wright, the director. He said 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.240 it back, I want to say, like maybe twenty or 0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:51.200 thirty years so it's like late seventeen hundred's rural England. 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.680 We meet Elizabeth Bennett that's Karen Knightley of course, and 0:28:56.280 --> 0:29:01.440 her family, her elder sister Jane that's Rosamond, and her 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:07.040 younger sister's kitty, Carrie. Mulligan, Lydia is Jennam alone and 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:11.760 Mary who I didn't write down that actor because I'm 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:12.400 a rude bit. 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.440 Wow, I love her. You're like, she's the only one 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:15.480 who's not famous. 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:16.560 Justice for Mary. 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:17.760 I don't know what her name is. 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:18.560 I don't recognize her. 0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:23.640 Riley, thank you so much. She was in West World. Okay. 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:27.520 Anyways, so they are all eves dropping on their mother, 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:34.160 Missus Bennett played by Brenda Blethin, telling their father, mister 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.280 Bennett played by Donald Sutherland. 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:41.920 Mister Bennett, she's the most British person that's ever lived. 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:47.920 Yes, so she's telling her husband, her husband that a 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:53.000 rich young man and mister Bingley, mister Bingley has bought 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:58.000 a nearby estate and also he's single, and they're all 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:01.880 anticipating that one of the Bennett girls will marry mister Bingley, 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:06.120 who will be coming to a ball that's being thrown. 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.640 I don't know the following evening or sometime soon. 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.880 I will say, of all the men in the story, 0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.600 if I had to get married to one of them, 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.800 one hundred percent, mister Bingley, what a sweetie, so sweetye, 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.440 a pushover, not the maybe not the brightest crayon in 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:26.480 the box, but like, but what a sweetie. The way 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.600 he looks at Jane, He's like, I love her so much. 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.520 But then mister Darcy's like, don't marry her, and he's 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.800 like okay, Like you're like, okay, come on. 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.280 The part where he's like, I'm not a very good reader. 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.720 I can read, and I'm not suggesting you can't read. 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.120 Outside He's so cute. 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:48.719 I loved mister Bingley. Also, he kind of disappeared too. 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.040 I don't know what happened to him. Oh my gosh, wait, 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.640 this is weat Sorry, I'm just on his Wikipedia page. 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:57.200 The actor Simon Woods. Hmm. So he's a writer now, 0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.760 but he he dated Rosamond Pike for two thousand to 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.400 two thousand and two, so not when this came out. 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.880 Oh yes. And then now he's married to a man 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:12.400 named Christopher Bailey who is like a fashion ceo. Okay, 0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.000 and he has two daughters and now he writes plays. 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.719 But I was like, that's so bizarre that, like he 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:21.600 dated Rosamund Pike and then they played lovers like three 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:22.760 years after they broke up. 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:24.160 Love that they're. 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:28.840 Still cute together. I love mister Bingley. Yeah, he's so 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.000 I would have such a crush on mister Bingley. You're like, 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:33.800 it's okay, I believe you can read. 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:39.920 Right, Okay. So at the ball, everyone is dancing, they're 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:44.360 having a merry time. Then this mister Bingley shows up 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:49.120 along with his sister Caroline and his friend mister Darcy. 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.360 That's Matthew mcfadian. Is that how you say it? Fadien 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:59.200 Fati mcfadian, who is very rich, even richer than Bingley, 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:04.720 and who Elizabeth thinks looks miserable and unpleasant, and he does, 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.680 and he does. He is thought to be too proud 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:09.600 and prejudiced. 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:15.240 He's so emo. He's like everyone's like hi, mister Jarcy. 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:19.240 He's like l no, No, I'm like, dude, you're twenty eight, 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.520 Like he can you just say hello? 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:22.560 Right? 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.080 But then I'm like, maybe he's got social anxiety. Maybe 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:26.960 he's got. 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.480 Well he says he has social anxiety, right, yeah, yeah, 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.600 I mean obviously not a discussion back then, but like 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.560 he but I feel like it's implied that it's like 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.440 he has social anxiety and then deals with it by 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.040 acting like he's too good for everyone, and that's like 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.560 his cope. Because there's that scene where it's like he 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.280 basically tells Elizabeth like I have a hard time talking 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.240 to new people, right, and then she's kind of like, fuck, 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.240 you leave me alone, And I'm like, well, given the 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.200 fat how he's treated her, I get it. But also 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.440 he is yeah, he like totally cops to being socially 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:03.600 anxious for sure. 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:09.160 Yeah, But then I'm like, is he neurodivergent? Possibly? We 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.720 don't know. They didn't understand these things back then, right, 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.400 maybe something's going on as someone who especially like earlier 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:20.000 in my life, people would make snap judgments about me 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.400 because I was like socially anxious or uncomfortable, and I 0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.800 was like, sure, no, I'm actually nice. So I just 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.200 found all that relatable. But then also like he insults 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.400 her as he's proposing to her, So I'm like, actually, 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:31.840 maybe he's an asshole. 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:33.760 But also like many things, and I feel like that's 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.560 a lot of the take like we can't say obviously, 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.560 but like in this story, I feel like the fact 0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.400 that we can even have that conversation about a two 0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:46.680 hundred year old story is really cool because this is 0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:50.520 a story where two things can be true all the time, 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:54.880 where it's like, yes, mister Darcy obviously has a level 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.800 of social anxiety that he admits to in the book 0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:02.320 and the movie, but he also acts behind people's backs 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.640 and is a total jerk in ways that is completely 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.480 unrelated to his social anxiety and has everything to do 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:13.319 with his like class bullshit. So this is just like, 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:15.360 I don't know, I just think it's really cool that 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.840 it's like we can have that discussion and then also 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:21.120 be like but there were also moments in this story 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:25.160 where he was straight up being an elitist jerk, which 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.080 he later admitted and was like, and now I have 0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:35.520 to make things right because growth. Oh, mister Darcy, Yes, okay. 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:37.839 So he shows up at the ball and he and 0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:42.480 Elizabeth share a look, but then Elizabeth overhears mister Darcy 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:46.839 say about her that she's tolerable but not pretty enough 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.239 to tempt him, which then she uses as ammunition in 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.799 a little like mic drop comment to him later on. 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.520 This is the beginning of the like will they won't 0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.560 they romantic tension between them. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.120 I love that shot, where like after Lizzie, which is 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.040 this is like most of her mic dropped moments, not all, 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.080 but like a lot of them are added in for 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.680 the movie, and so she kind of Mic drops him, 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.240 she repeats back the thing that she overheard him saying 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.719 about her, and then there's like this long shot of 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.360 her walking away and you almost like I just almost 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:24.280 wanted like a music cue there of like ahh may moment, 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:28.080 like she's like strutting away, like there's music playing, but 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.080 it's like it's still a fucking harpist chord. 0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:36.440 Right right. I did find those moments very cathartic. 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:38.920 They're fun, yeah, And I feel like it didn't like 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:42.399 in the way that some when some older stories have 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.680 like those like modern flourishes added, they really stick out 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:49.520 because you're like, this doesn't feel consistent. But like with Lizzie, 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.400 that's so who she is in the book, that like 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.320 adding those moments feels very consistent with who. 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:59.719 She is, right, yes, Okay. So then meanwhile, Elizabeth's sister 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.760 j and mister Bingley seemed to be taking a liking 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.319 to each other. Then Jane is invited to dine at 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.960 mister Bingley's estate, where she has to stay for a 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.879 few days after developing a cold on the way there, 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:18.080 which missus Bennett basically orchestrates. 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.640 I was like, that's evil, genius. She's like, no, you 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.759 have to ride a horse, so you get sick, so 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:28.240 you fall in love. You're like, mom, that's evil. 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:32.640 Which mister Bennett, He's like, your skills for matchmaking are 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:33.920 a cult. 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.759 Missus Bennett. I mean, there's a lot to be said 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:37.880 about her. I know, we'll get to it, but there 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.279 are very few moments in the story where you get 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.600 to be like, all right, I guess she pulled that 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.480 one off, and like that was one of the few 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:49.239 moments where it's unconventional what she does. But does it 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:52.040 not work out for the best, you know? And then 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.320 she's like, no one dies of a cult. That's fine. 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.839 You're like Jesus. 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:01.640 Right, right. So Elizabeth also goes to the estate to 0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:07.040 look after Jane while she's ill, and there she and 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:12.719 mister Darcy interact. They are mostly nagging each other and 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.240 they seem to hate each other, but also they seem 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:16.600 to secretly love each other. 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.880 Maybe mister Darcy keeps smirking and you're just like, he 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.320 just keeps looking at her, like he ha ha ha. 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:25.640 I'm like, do you know you love her yet? 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:26.160 Do you? 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:28.840 He does? He does, He totally does. 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:32.080 Because like when she leaves, he like helps her into 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:35.680 the carriage and like there's you know, just a spark 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.480 when they touch hands. It's a whole thing. 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:38.120 Oh. 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:42.279 So then Elizabeth and Jane return home, and when they do, 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.000 the Bennetts get news of a cousin, mister Collins, coming 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:50.040 to visit. He is to inherit their estate after mister 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:55.360 Bennett dies, since they only had daughters and women can't 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.800 own property during this time, or there are certain circumstances 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.640 in which you can, maybe, but it doesn't apply to 0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:05.320 them them. I don't really understand. 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.160 I honestly, we didn't do. I mean, we already read 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.200 a book, so don't yell at us like I appreciate 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:15.840 how like Jane Austen, she doesn't like Russian novel style layout, 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.839 like and here are the rules for forty pages of 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:21.719 like what this actually meant? Because it seems like there 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.920 are circumstances in which women can own property, but this 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.799 isn't one of them, right for whatever reason. All you 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.520 need to know is, like this is not one of 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.640 Like mister Collins is getting it right for reason. 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.720 For reasons because Lady Catherine de Bergh owns her estate, 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:37.520 I think, but she's girl boss. 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:40.719 But maybe that's because all the men died like it's possible, Yeah, 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.680 because she's rich. It could because like all the guys 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:45.719 who used to own it died Like we just don't know, 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:49.319 simply don't know. But either way, the Bennett's sisters are 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.400 shit out of luck and they have to give it 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:52.800 to their rude cousin. 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:57.759 Yes, and mister Collins intends on marrying one of the 0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:02.480 Bennett daughters because cousins be marrying each other in the 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:07.960 olden dates, not in this case, thank goodness. Elizabeth seems 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:12.920 like the best option for him. Meanwhile, the military is 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:17.400 stationed in town and a lieutenant or a lieutenant Wickham 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.839 also takes a liking to Elizabeth. They have some fun 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:22.400 banter about ribbons. 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:23.160 Oh my god. 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:27.800 We learn that Wickham has an unpleasant history with mister Darcy, 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.640 where Wickham tells Elizabeth that he and mister Darcy grew 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:36.320 up together, that Darcy denied an inheritance that was promised 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.239 to him because Darcy was jealous that his father loved 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:40.919 Wickham more than his own son. 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:45.040 Two things. This is such a I think, like on 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:49.520 Jane Austen's part, such a like insightful dynamic that I 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:52.440 feel like you don't see very often of like but 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.719 something that like I've definitely experienced. They feel like it's 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:58.160 a pretty common experience of like being so taken in 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:02.600 by a very charismatic person who's talking shit that it 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.040 isn't until you are like forced to take a step 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:09.200 out of their like charisma to be like, wait a second, 0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.920 this person's full of shit, Like right, it's so and 0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:16.440 like Wickham is such a classic example of that. Also, 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.680 my dad when we saw that movie, I got mad 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:25.200 at him in the theater because he made fun of 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.479 that ribbon scene in the theater and I got really 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:32.160 embarrassed because he was like joking about how they were, 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.759 like there's that shot where like Karen Knightley is like 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:39.760 peeking from behind the ribbons and he's like, oh, come hither, 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.320 but don't, but come hither but don't. 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:47.000 And I was like, Dad, stop, Mike, don't make fun. 0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:55.399 Karen Knightley's awesome, Okay. So Wickham tells Elizabeth this, So 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.880 now Elizabeth thinks that mister Darcy is even more awful 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:02.360 than she thought he was before. Then the Bennett Ladies 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:06.280 go to another ball at mister Bingley's estate, where Elizabeth 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:09.400 hopes to see mister Wickham, but he is nowhere to 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:14.040 be found. Who is there is the dreadful mister Collins, 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:19.719 who wants to dance with Elizabeth, and so does mister Darcy. 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.400 So they dance and she confronts him about being awful 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:26.640 and he's like, you don't even know me. 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:28.520 I love them. 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:35.360 A short time later, mister Collins proposes to Elizabeth, which 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.040 she force fully declines, and this is the scene where 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.040 her mother is like, I'll never talk to you again 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.200 if you don't accept his proposal, and her father is like, 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:46.200 I'll never talk to you again if you do. 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.960 Another great Across the boyd Lizzie scene where and I 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:53.680 feel like this is like a feminist hero moment that's 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:57.719 built into the book where you know, like there's this 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:00.680 dynamic at this time where some times you would get 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.880 denied once and it just meant, oh, I have to 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.520 try hard, or I have to keep pushing, pushing, pushing 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:08.560 no means yes, but also like this is a game, 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:12.200 this is a dance and Lizzie in the book, and 0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:15.560 then also I thought Curinate is so good in that scene. 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.920 She's like I'm not fucking around, Like yeah, no, I 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.000 don't want to marry you. I would be miserable. You 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:26.000 would be miserable, Like I'm not doing it, and don't 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.520 tell me that no means yes, and don't not take 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.080 me seriously. I just I love that scene. 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:36.400 There are some things that I'm realizing upon like reading 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.719 the book that like, and I mean, who knows when 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.840 the mentality started of I think no actually means yes 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.560 and if you say no, you're just being coy and 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.960 flirty and playing hard to get. But I was surprised 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.759 that something that I perceive as a modern bit of 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:59.440 misogyny is not just a modern thing and it was 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:00.520 happening for two. 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.200 Hundred years ago, right right, and like Lizzie, and it's 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.359 like it's I CA have to keep reminding myself as 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.000 I'm like listening to the book of like that's an 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:12.960 impressive thing to do right now. And the fact that 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:16.080 Lizzy was doing it in eighteen twelve when it was like, 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.920 I mean, just like the decision is like fifty times 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.120 as big and she still stands her ground and is like, no, 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.800 I said I don't want to marry you. I don't 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.239 want to marry you, right, and then she has to 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:32.200 do that a second time. Did mister Darcy I was like, 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:35.759 oh god, I just love Lizzie so much. I love her. 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:37.120 She's an icon. 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.640 That scene in the Rain, We'll get there, but that 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:45.279 scene in the rain, oh the music, Oh yeah, that 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.759 scene is though. That's what stuck with me. The first 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:49.720 time I saw the movie was like, the first rejection 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:51.399 scene is so good. 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:56.120 Yeah, I love it. So mister Bingley and mister Darcy 0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:01.880 then leave I think mister Bingley's estate without mister Bingley 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.800 proposing to Jane, which comes as a surprise to everyone, 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:10.880 and Elizabeth thinks that mister Bingley's sister, Caroline is trying 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:16.360 to persuade him to not marry her and to I 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:20.279 think marry mister Darcy's sister instead. Is that the thing? 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.520 Yeah, yeah, Like they're this this whole like the Bingley 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:25.960 Darcy thing. It seems like, oh, we're gonna marry each 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.160 other's sisters. Is this quote unquote smartest thing to do 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.680 to keep rich people with rich people? Because miss miss 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:36.600 Bingley is you know, I mean, this feels like an 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:41.120 aggressive statement, but she's throwing herself at mister Darcy and clearly, 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.319 I mean at the beginning of the movie and the book, 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.120 you're like, oh, they kind of deserve each other. They're 0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.960 both fucking miserable people who have all these prejudice, who 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:53.240 have all these like rude, evil class. 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.200 All these prides and prejudices. 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.000 I was gonna, yeah, like they have all these I'm like, 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.440 you know what, fine, get married, miserable and rich, see 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:04.680 if I care, right, But then mister Darcy grows and 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:07.440 then the book Miss Bingley, it's like implied in the 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:11.440 space of two sentences, eventually grows a little bit at 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:11.799 the end. 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:13.479 I forgot about that part too. 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:16.359 Anyway, Yeah, they're like and eventually she kind of grew 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.839 up and that was nice. You're like, all right, good 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:19.160 for her. 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:23.920 So yeah, Elizabeth's friend Charlotte, who we've seen in the 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.400 movie before, but she is just not showing up in 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:27.040 my recap. 0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:27.640 I love her. 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.880 Charlotte ends up marrying mister Collins and Elizabeth goes to 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:37.320 visit them, where Elizabeth meets Lady Catherine de Bergh aka 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:38.960 Dame Judy. 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.879 Dench oh and she is making a meal of her 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:42.640 three scenes. 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:48.919 So the director Joe Wright convinced Judy Dench to play 0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:52.920 this character by writing her a letter that said, quote, 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.000 I love it when you play a bitch, please come 0:45:56.080 --> 0:46:00.560 and be a bitch for me. End of letter, and 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.839 Judi Dench was like, sold, I'm there. 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:08.279 I love that. That makes me so happy. Oh yeah, 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:09.600 I'm smiling. I'm smiling. 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:14.759 That rocks. So Elizabeth meets Lady Catherine de Bergh as 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:18.239 well as her daughter and her nephew who is guess who, 0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:22.840 mister Darcy. Oh, and we get to know Lady Catherine 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.920 a little bit. She is very emphasis on the prejudice 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:31.239 part of pride and prejudice because she's extremely rich and 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:33.320 elitist and classist. 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.360 Yeah, they wanted her to play a bit Caitlyn, and 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:37.600 she did, and. 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:41.200 She did it. So then mister Darcy and Elizabeth have 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:46.960 a few awkward encounters. Again, it's clear that he loves her, 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.000 and he seems to want to tell her something or 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:52.160 maybe ask her something. But then she finds out that 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:55.800 he quote unquote saved his friend mister Bingley from getting 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.759 married to the wrong person because she came from an 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:04.000 unsuitable family. And he is talking about mister Bingley not 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.880 proposing to Jane and the Bennett family being unsuitable. So 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:13.520 now Elizabeth hates mister Darcy even more. But then Darcy 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:18.640 professes his love for Elizabeth, despite his better judgment, despite 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:25.080 his family's expectations, and rain the rain. It's happening in 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:25.479 the rain. 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:30.120 It's a big deal, and it's happening despite his family's expectations, 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:34.399 despite the inferiority of her birth, despite his rank and circumstance. 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:39.200 He asks her to marry him, and she's like, what 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.239 the hell? What about how you separated my sister from 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.120 the man she loves. What about how you think I'm 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:48.560 gross and poor and that my family is rude and improper? 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:55.880 What about how you ruin mister Wickham's life. I love Lizzie. 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:58.800 And he's like, well, yes, some of that is true, 0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:01.520 except some of it isn't and you don't know what 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.080 you're talking about. Bye, and then he leaves. 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.919 He literally is like Facebook two thousand and eight. It's complicated, 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:13.000 like he's it's uh, Lizzy is doing things that I 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:18.160 can't do in relationships right now, like she is. Just 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:21.640 that scene is so satisfied, like and it's so well 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:25.000 acted between both of them because you can you can 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:28.120 see mister Darcy go in with his pride and pride, 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:31.000 I mean he goes in vulnerable to begin with, but 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:35.879 then when he's shot down like McFadyen, I mean, he's 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:39.600 killing it, like he's so he's like surprised, and then 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:43.680 he's like so hurt because he really loves her, but 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:48.520 she's right, and like, how dare he come at her? Like, hey, 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:52.480 I've it, you know, against all odds, I want to 0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.280 marry you. And she's like, well fuck you, Like I'm 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:57.479 I'm awesome, Like I just. 0:48:58.160 --> 0:48:59.480 I love her, she's great. 0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:02.880 That scene fucked me up, Oh my god. And the 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:06.080 fact that like I feel like that's just Joe Wright 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:08.839 magic where he's like, and we're gonna just gonna put 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:11.080 it in the rain just for because I don't I mean, 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:12.880 I don't remember if that's I think that scene was 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.160 inside Yeah, yeah, you're sure, Oh put it in the 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.239 fucking rain. And then at the end of that scene, 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:21.759 you're like, are they gonna kiss? Right? 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.399 They like kind of move there, they like move toward 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.000 each other as if to be like, well, I know 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:31.880 we just screamed at each other, but should we kiss? 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.040 But then they don't. They don't know, and they, i mean, 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:36.960 they really make you wait for the kiss. The way 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.200 that this movie ends is not how the book ends, right. 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.000 The way that this movie ends. You know, this movie 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:46.399 came out almost seventeen years ago, and I think about it, 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:51.560 m miss Dascy. Oh anyways, sorry. Continue. 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:56.720 So he leaves after getting his proposal rejected, and shortly 0:49:56.760 --> 0:50:00.040 thereafter he gives Elizabeth a letter in which Darcy he 0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:05.760 explains that Wickham is actually a degenerate gambler, and Darcy 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.120 only did what he did with Bingley and Jane because 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.960 he thought he was looking out for a friend, because 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:15.680 he perceived Jane to be indifferent towards Bingley, because no 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:19.879 one understands who anyone actually is, because people just make 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:22.040 snack judgments in this movie, in this book. 0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:25.640 No, And he was so like and again you can 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.880 see it on his face. When Elizabeth's like she's shy. 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:30.960 Yeah that it cuts back to Darcy and he's like 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:33.680 like oh, because you can see him register like, oh 0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.120 I'm shy. Oh I shouldn't. 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.120 I should have seen this, I should have understood. 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:42.399 Oh I intimately understand what she was doing, and yet 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:46.520 I judged her anyways, like oh this it's a great story. 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:51.080 Yeah, okay, So now Elizabeth has all these second thoughts, 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:53.879 maybe Darcy is not that bad of a guy. After all, 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.760 and then her sister Jane comes back home from London. 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:03.600 Her sister Lydia goes to Brighton with the Forster family, 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.360 who I guess are people that we're supposed to know 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:06.799 who they are. 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:08.960 I don't think we need I think I think that 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:11.280 this movie is just like they're like, she's away, Yeah, yeah, 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:11.760 she's away. 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.560 So then Elizabeth goes with her aunt and uncle to 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:18.240 Darcy's estate because it's open to visitors, which is wild 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:18.480 to me. 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:23.400 I know, it's like rich people houses are literally just museums. 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:24.879 But I get. 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.280 I mean, I guess that's true if some places still, 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.480 but I feel like the rich people don't actually live 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:31.760 there anymore, Like they wouldn't just be like, oh, whoops, 0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:33.680 I didn't realize you were hanging today. 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:36.680 They must be so rich in their house, so big 0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.440 that they can just have an entirely separate part of 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.280 their house where they actually live in, and then another 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:44.879 part where it's like, yeah, you can come and look 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:48.440 at my fancy couch and statues. Fine. 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.799 That was one of my favorite shots in the whole movie, though, 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:56.719 when when Elizabeth, I mean spoiler, you're about to hit 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.000 it in the recap where she's like walking around, walking around, 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.120 and then it turns out Darcy is there, and then 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:06.600 there's like this Hitchcock zoom on her where she's like ooh, 0:52:06.960 --> 0:52:08.759 and it like zooms in on her, and then she 0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:13.040 runs away. And I just love how many different sides 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:15.319 of Lizzy's personality you see, because I feel like so 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:19.360 often with these like feminist hero characters, which Lizzy Bennett 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:24.520 is like in the fucking Mount Rushmore of feminist hero characters, 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.760 but you also get to see these like moments where 0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:31.839 she's like vulnerable and she's kind of like that whole 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.400 sequence in the book. And then also I feel like 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:37.839 it kind of telegraphs clearly in the movie, like yes, 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:40.120 she's like gonna stick to her guns no matter what. 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:44.400 Her values are very clear and very strong. But also 0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.000 she's like, I don't know. I like that she like 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.799 still has like an imagination and is like, but what 0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:51.879 if what would it what would it be like if 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:55.080 I like lived here? And right entertains the thought and 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:59.400 you get like that intimate moment of someone alone that 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.600 I feel like with most like feminist characters and most heroes, 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:05.719 you only see the side of them that is like 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.319 very like, these are my values and I don't. 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:14.319 I don't need no love and support in my life. 0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:17.879 Right right, that's like I'm literally a superhero. And it's 0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:22.719 like Lizzy Bennett could be by herself and sustain and 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.239 be fine, and we know that, but it's also it's 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:28.680 also I don't know, just like it's so cool and 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:32.240 refreshing to see I mean, fucking two hundred year old story, 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:36.360 but like to see her have those like moments alone 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.680 of like, well, what would it be Like It's not 0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.680 like she's saying I'm going to do this, but just 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.680 to see her kind of like process and consider what 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:46.799 that life would be like for her and then to 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:49.560 be taken off guard by him and then be like 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:52.440 ool and like just have a moment of like, oh shit, 0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:55.120 I'm sorry, I didn't I thought your house was a museum. 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:59.799 And so like I love that scene where she's she 0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.880 is just like fully panicking and it's like I just 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:05.239 didn't think you would be at your house and he's like, 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:11.239 well house, So like it's I just love it. 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:14.080 Yeah, that's a great scene. They're both so awkward. Okay, 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.719 So yeah, we're about to get there where Elizabeth goes 0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:20.239 to Darcy's estate and Darcy doesn't appear to be there, 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.560 or she doesn't think he's there, but he's returned a 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:25.359 day early from where he was and she runs into 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.239 him and it's really awkward, but they seem to be 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:30.520 getting along a little bit better than usual, or at 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.440 least they're just like, you know, propriety is getting the 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:34.040 better of them. 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:38.320 He's so happy to see her, Yes, he's so happy 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:40.080 to see her. He's like, wait a second, you're at 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:41.240 my freaking house. 0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:46.160 And he's being like, so are you staying nearby? And 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:50.120 she's like, yes, I'm at this exact tavern or whatever, 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.920 and he's like cool, cool, cool, good to know. And 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.480 then he does show up there later, but just to 0:54:55.520 --> 0:55:00.120 invite Elizabeth and her aunt uncle to dinner the next day. 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:03.160 I didn't feel like of I mean, there are things 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:05.000 to talk about with the relationship, but I didn't ever 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:09.239 feel like he was like stockery creepy, right he was. 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.440 I feel like he was very respectful and when she 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:16.279 set boundaries, he would like really take the note to 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:17.680 the point where it's like at the end he's like, 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.799 if you say no, I'll walk away right, Oh you'll 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:24.759 never see me again. Yeah, no worries like, of all 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:26.680 the men in the story, I feel like Darcy has 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:32.200 the best understanding of boundaries because Collins is like, yeah, sure, no, right, 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:33.480 of course you would have married me. 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:37.120 Yeah no means yes actually yeah. 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:40.759 Right, And Darcy's like, he's like almost extreme. He's like, 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:44.279 I can't be your friend. There's no in between. You 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:46.160 will never see me again and it will. 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:50.920 Be like I died, you know, right, right right, yeah, okay, 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:55.279 So he introduces Elizabeth to his sister Georgiana, but then 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.720 Elizabeth receives a letter from Jane saying that their sister 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:03.680 Lydia has run off with mister Wickham, that son of 0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:04.120 a gun. 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:11.200 Lydia. Yeah, Lydia drives me up a wall, but also 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:15.000 she's young. I feel, Okay, this is something that every 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:19.480 time there is like a parenting issue brought up with 0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:22.080 the Bennetts. And I don't mean to like it's hard. 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:24.160 I mean and it speaks to the strength of the 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:28.160 story that this is hard, because everyone in this story 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.120 is very complicated and has like multiple things going on. 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.200 But I do feel like, you know, missus Bennett is 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.680 so made to look so silly by the story, and 0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:41.080 she is like not kind to her children, I don't 0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.240 mean to say that she's a perfect mother in disguise, 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:45.839 like she's not. But I feel like a lot of 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:48.719 where her anxiety comes from, or where some of her 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:52.040 anxiety comes from, is anytime people talk about like, oh, 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:55.640 the Bennett sisters are being reared so poorly, the onus 0:56:55.719 --> 0:57:00.680 is put very much on her versus mister Bennett, and 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:04.000 so like when Lydia runs off, I feel like missus 0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:07.600 Bennett always has an outsized reaction to when one of 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.479 the daughters is being harshly judged. But I do feel 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:13.560 like that's also connected to when whenever you hear like 0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:16.920 one of the richer characters, especially like Lady Catherine is 0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:20.080 the person who does that the most in that really 0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:23.920 aggressive dinner conversation. Mister Bennett doesn't even come up in 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:27.920 those conversations. It's like, oh, your mother fucked up, like 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:31.480 your mother failed, and like that's where it's not like 0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:36.000 it's not conceivable in this class at this time that 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.360 it's like, if you have five daughters, they're all going 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:43.240 to be very different, which clearly Jane Austen knows because 0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:45.640 she had wrote five daughters, and she wrote them to 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:49.760 all have very different personalities. But like in the eyes 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.720 of this like class and this story, it's like, oh, 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:57.760 if any daughter does anything wrong, it's like a failure 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:01.040 of the mother. And so it's like missus Bennett very 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:03.200 much has a victim complex, and I feel like she 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:06.480 doesn't take accountability for when she does fuck up. But 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:09.320 also I was trying to like stay cognizant of the 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:12.840 fact that like mister Bennett is so dismissive of stuff 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.120 in a lot of cases. But it's also like because 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:18.320 he doesn't carry the blame for most of it like 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:19.400 his wife does. 0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:23.680 Right, Yeah, I have complicated feelings about missus Bennett in particular. Well, 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:27.120 I guess both parents, but like, sure, she is such 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:31.760 a product of her environment. Yeah, totally, and again which 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:37.200 is a like such a rigid patriarchal structure, and which 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:39.520 gets commented on here and there in the movie, Like 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.160 there's a scene where she's you know, talking about one 0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:44.160 of I forget which one, but it's like one of 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.040 the daughters getting married, and Elizabeth is like, is that 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:49.400 all you think about or is that all you talk about, 0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:51.280 like us getting married? And she's like, well, when you 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:54.280 have five daughters, like come back to me. And then 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:58.640 you'll understand, like you'll you'll understand because of the circumstances 0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:03.360 of like back in this time, women needed, like literally 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:07.720 needed a marriage in most cases to secure any stability 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:10.680 in their life financially or else because because again, women 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:15.520 were considered property. They couldn't own anything, like, they had 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:20.880 no opportunities for making their own way in the world 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:24.240 because of how few rights women had back then. So 0:59:24.680 --> 0:59:26.840 that's like where her concern comes from. 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.120 But then it's also like at the expense of her 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:34.919 daughter's personalities and desires and wants, and so it's like, yeah, 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:38.200 it's it's so uh, like the story is so good. 0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:40.720 It's so complicated because you can like put yourself in 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:42.680 her head and be like, I understand why she's doing 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:45.840 what she's doing, but like, obviously this is not the 0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:48.320 way to do it. But then also I don't think 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:51.000 that she I have like more issues with mister Bennett 0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:53.040 than I was expecting to, because I also don't think 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:58.000 that like mister Bennett is so disinterested in how his 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:01.120 wife is processing things where he kind of like he 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:06.080 loves her, but he like tolerates her like a joke, right, 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:09.640 Like he's he's like, oh, you do this, this is you, 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:12.200 and it's like, but do you ever think of like 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:14.040 like like you were saying, she's such a product of 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:17.440 her environment, and I feel like she like if they 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:21.440 were working more as a team, then she may not 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:26.080 be so you know, inclined to be pushy with her 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:28.240 kids because it's like, well, if they were working as 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:32.439 a as a team, then you know, like unfortunately, because 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:35.040 of the gender dynamics at this time, mister Bennett could 1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:38.120 act in his daughter's best interest. And like they just 1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:41.080 act like it's a rough marriage. I mean, I just 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:43.800 get the feeling that that's a rough marriage. And it's 1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:47.960 like it's not. It's not loveless. Marriage is complicated. Relationships 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:49.960 are complicated. Like it's not like I do believe that 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.800 they love each other, they care about each other, but 1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:57.200 their dynamic is like not beneficial to their kids at all. 1:00:57.440 --> 1:01:00.720 And I think that mister Bennett is like like I 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:04.560 feel like negligent is maybe an overstatement, but like he's 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:08.440 just just dismissed a lot. He's checked out. Yeah, like 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:11.800 he's like, oh I'm I'm reading, so I can't I 1:01:11.840 --> 1:01:14.160 can't think about anyone's feelings. And it's like, well, that 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:16.960 puts a lot on your wife. And also that means 1:01:17.040 --> 1:01:20.520 that like that not only puts a lot on your wife, 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:24.920 it also you know, because of how the society is structured, 1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:28.280 if things don't work out, he's not going to bear 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:30.960 the brunt of the criticism like she will. And so 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:35.040 I feel like it's inconsiderate of him to his spouse 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:38.800 to be so checked out because it's like she's gonna 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:41.640 have to take the shit. And then he's also like, oh, 1:01:41.760 --> 1:01:45.840 you're so silly, You're so like and she is, but 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:49.160 like I feel like she's like it's it's a combination. 1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:51.040 But like I feel like part of the reason why 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:57.840 she acts so silly, quote unquote is because she's acting alone, 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:01.760 Like she's acting basically like a single parent right to 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:04.520 help her kids out, and like it's coming from this 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:07.760 place of anxiety and in partially a selfish way for 1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:11.240 sure of like, what's going to happen to our family 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:15.440 if this fucking random guy who is obsessed with Judy 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:19.560 Dench can just take our property at any time? And 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.040 I feel like that is like referenced in the movie 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:25.480 and the book, but like it's implied that Collins can 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:29.360 just take the house whenever he wants, and so I 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:34.600 understand through the time why missus Bennett would be like, 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:38.160 we have to secure something better than mister Collins in 1:02:38.240 --> 1:02:41.560 this family at some point. Otherwise mister Collins can just 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:45.080 like displace us from our home and we would be 1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:49.800 without a home, which mister Bennett seems I would say 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:55.080 weirdly indifferent about. Yeah. I was like, well, you would 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:56.680 also be displaced. 1:02:56.920 --> 1:03:00.720 Well, no, because he would be dead. Oh, it's my understanding. 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:02.840 And again I don't understand all of the nuances of 1:03:02.880 --> 1:03:05.600 this era in terms of like who inherits what and 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:08.120 when and who can and cannot own property, blah blah blah. 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:10.480 But I think the movie pretty clearly lays out that 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:17.240 when mister Bennett dies, that's when mister Collins will inherit. Okay, Okay, 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:20.920 so they have to secure marriages for the daughters prior 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:22.320 to mister Bennett dying. 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:25.440 Wait I didn't even ca yeah, because they keep referencing 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:27.040 oh my god. Okay, so that makes. 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:31.240 Him even worse. Like I don't know, right, I am. 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:34.800 Not like, I don't think either of them are amazing parents, 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:38.200 but I do think that mister Bennett is worse because 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:41.880 I'm like, if I'm mister Bennett, and I have five 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:46.760 children and a spouse who, by the rules of the time, 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:52.640 will be displaced if I die. Before I die, I'm 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:55.800 gonna want to make sure they're good, right, I know, 1:03:56.160 --> 1:03:59.040 But he's the opposite. And then and so I that's 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:01.560 part of the reason why I know we're still in 1:04:01.600 --> 1:04:04.200 the recap, but also we're kind of doing we're kind 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:06.120 of doing the whole episode right now. Yeah, but like 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:09.880 that's part of the reason why I got kind of 1:04:09.920 --> 1:04:14.520 annoyed that the movie and this felt kind of studio notes, ye, 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:18.520 and it kind of felt like my guess is, like, well, 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:21.160 Donald Sutherland took the role, don't make him look mean. 1:04:21.480 --> 1:04:26.000 And the reason I guess that was because Donald Sutherland 1:04:26.320 --> 1:04:30.200 was in a stage adaptation of Lolita in which he 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:34.520 played Humbert Humbert, and he demanded that Humbert Humbard be 1:04:34.600 --> 1:04:39.520 more sympathetic because he didn't want to appear unsympathetic in public. 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:43.880 So this is a thing for like Donald Sutherland specifically 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:48.400 where he will accept a role of I mean, obviously, 1:04:48.440 --> 1:04:51.320 like mister Bennett isn't Humbert Humbert, but like not the 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:55.160 most sympathetic character in the world, sure, and then demand 1:04:55.400 --> 1:05:00.240 that the character be retrofitted to be more sympathetic. I 1:05:00.320 --> 1:05:02.120 just like, I know that this is a thing with 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:04.440 Donald Sutherland, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:06.760 a studio it's thing, but I feel like it's it's 1:05:06.800 --> 1:05:12.240 actually like pretty fucking selfish of mister Bennett too, Yeah, 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:15.280 to be so checked out and then then but then 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:18.600 to get that like little flourish of like and I 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:22.640 love my daughter so much, like at the end, it's like, well, 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:26.480 that's interesting because two months ago you were willing to 1:05:27.040 --> 1:05:31.960 have your entire family be possibly displaced if one fucking 1:05:32.160 --> 1:05:35.600 random guy gets in a bad mood one day and 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:39.800 you're not accountable for that, Like, fuck you. Sorry, I'm 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:41.200 anti mister Bennett. 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:46.480 My thought is, and I completely agree with you, and 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:49.600 we are able to like see these things about him 1:05:49.680 --> 1:05:55.680 and his choices and behavior and identify them as awful. However, 1:05:55.840 --> 1:06:01.200 I think that this type of thing was so normalized 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:04.760 in this era that no one even sure batted an 1:06:04.760 --> 1:06:07.680 eyelash about it. Everyone's just like, well, yeah, this is 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:10.720 a woman's role in society to be a mother and 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:14.200 to be the primary caregiver for her children, especially in 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:18.480 terms of emotional support and worrying about their future and 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:23.320 teaching daughters how to be quote unquote proper women and 1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:27.600 how to find husbands. That's what women and mothers do, 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:32.760 and because of rigid gender roles, men weren't expected to 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:35.360 have to deal with anything like that. Yeah, and then 1:06:35.520 --> 1:06:39.640 just the way society was structured, the way that the 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:45.840 patriarchy was such a crushing presence. No one thought to 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:49.200 criticize that or question it or think it was weird 1:06:49.480 --> 1:06:53.360 or to expect anything else. Yeah, well not no one, 1:06:53.400 --> 1:06:55.960 but like most people, I would say, it was just 1:06:56.000 --> 1:06:58.720 like such the norm. So again, like we're looking at 1:06:58.720 --> 1:07:01.840 this stuff with our like twenty two and I'm not 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:03.960 like this is not in defense of like mister Bennett 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:06.120 or anything like that, but like, no, I think that 1:07:06.360 --> 1:07:10.120 the movie portrays it this way because like that was 1:07:10.800 --> 1:07:13.760 realistic for the time, and that was just like the 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:15.840 norm and expectation of the time. 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:18.800 I totally agree with you, you know, I God, I'm 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:21.760 so glad. God I love pride and prejudice. Like, I'm 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:25.160 so happy we're like having these discussions because I totally 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:28.400 agree with you. And then I feel like it does 1:07:28.520 --> 1:07:32.440 in a way that Jane Austen seemed uniquely aware of 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:38.720 right in a way that like possibly Joe Wright and 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:44.640 Deborah Mogok or possibly studio knows, you don't know whatever 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:49.240 Donald Sutherland's agents, possibly, but in a way that even 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:52.200 in two thousand and five wasn't totally clear, where they 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:56.920 like turn up the sympathy knob for mister Bennett in 1:07:56.960 --> 1:07:59.200 a way that I mean, at least for me as 1:07:59.280 --> 1:08:03.120 a as a twelve year old viewer, I was like, oh, 1:08:03.320 --> 1:08:05.160 dads are like and this is something that we talk 1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:07.320 about on the show all the time, and it's it's 1:08:07.360 --> 1:08:09.600 complicated by the fact that it's such an old story, 1:08:09.640 --> 1:08:14.480 but like, the dads are more sympathetic than mom's trope 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:17.639 that comes up all the time, you know, without any 1:08:17.680 --> 1:08:22.960 context of like why a father's role may be considered 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:28.519 considerably easier and less complicated than a mother's role because 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:31.719 of the systemic forces being pushed against a mother. Right, 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:34.639 And I feel like this du like it almost felt 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:37.800 like Jane Austen for me in the way that the 1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:41.280 final draft of the movie, however that happened. I felt 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:47.400 like Jane Austen had it more right than the movie 1:08:47.439 --> 1:08:49.920 and that in a way that I think the movie 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:54.759 mostly gets everything and like kind of trims the fat 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:57.439 and like really just makes it a good two hour 1:08:57.640 --> 1:09:01.799 experience right right, And this movie didn't feel too long. Weirdly, 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:05.400 I know, it was like, oh, two hours and that 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:06.080 was all I. 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:08.720 Needed, unlike every movie in theaters right now, because they're 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:11.040 all two and a half hours and I'm just sitting 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:12.880 there being like, you could have cut this, you could 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:14.760 have cut that. Why is this shot so long? But 1:09:15.080 --> 1:09:18.000 like this, I have no patience these days. 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:20.800 This movie is like kind of perfect. But like one 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:24.200 of the ways that I didn't I the addition of 1:09:24.320 --> 1:09:27.400 the sympathetic dad. I felt like Jane Austen was more 1:09:27.479 --> 1:09:30.040 on the nose where she didn't offer that kind of 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:35.320 absolution to either parent. But what I thought was interesting 1:09:35.439 --> 1:09:38.320 was like in the movie there is like this element 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:43.280 of Lizzy specifically. And this also feels like just because 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:46.200 we're doing an Emma episode next and I've been listening 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:49.679 to the Emma audiobook and Emma's my favorite Jane Austen 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:55.280 novel and it's also clueless, So like all I have 1:09:55.400 --> 1:10:00.479 to say, like Jane Austen heroins will often, you know, 1:10:00.600 --> 1:10:04.120 take on other people's problems to avoid dealing with their own, 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:08.559 a problem that you know persists for people to this day, 1:10:09.400 --> 1:10:12.880 but I did think it was like a recognizable thing 1:10:12.920 --> 1:10:15.680 that like in the movie and in the book, Elizabeth 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:20.280 is very often taking on the problems of her relatives 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:27.200 for like very urgent reasons, but also to avoid confronting 1:10:27.240 --> 1:10:31.000 her own feelings. She's like, well, I'm busy because Jane 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:34.720 and Bangley, or like I'm busy because my mom is 1:10:34.760 --> 1:10:38.720 embarrassing us, or I'm busy because my dad is completely 1:10:38.800 --> 1:10:41.519 checked out, and we do at least like you do 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:44.439 get to see that scene where Lizzie goes to her 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:47.519 dad and is like, are you looking out for Lydia 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:52.679 at all? Like, and I think that, like there's us 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:56.519 five years ago maybe wouldn't have understood this completely, but like, 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:58.960 you know, she goes to her dad and she's like, 1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:02.519 Lydia is like ruining the reputation of the family by 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:06.520 just like kind of running wild, which is an inherently 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:11.679 sexist statement, but in the context of the time, Lizzie 1:11:11.720 --> 1:11:14.800 is trying to look out for Lydia and her sisters 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:19.120 and the entire family and is like, I felt like, 1:11:19.280 --> 1:11:22.479 at her core like criticizing her father for being like, 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:26.320 why are you doing nothing? Why are you so indifferent 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:30.519 every day of your life? Right? And it literally is 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:32.880 just because it's like you're saying, like he's like, well, 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:36.400 when I die, who gives a shit? And it's like, well, okay, 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:39.759 so you just like keep telegraphing to the whole family 1:11:40.160 --> 1:11:43.479 that you don't give a shit about them because your 1:11:43.520 --> 1:11:47.240 whole family is women, and because of the time and 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:52.000 place that you live, they will be endangered and displaced 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:54.240 if you spend this time doing nothing. And I feel 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:57.880 like that's what Lizzie is trying to say, and she 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:00.280 can't quite get through to him, and it's like so, 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:03.599 but but like, yeah, I don't know whatever she's parenting 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:05.879 her parents and then which. 1:12:05.640 --> 1:12:09.000 We all end up doing at some point as adults, I. 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:12.040 Know, but Lizzie's twenty. I'm like, oh my god, could 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:15.240 she like live for two seconds. 1:12:14.320 --> 1:12:19.720 She's middle aged by eighteenth or nineteenth century standards. 1:12:19.680 --> 1:12:24.920 She's forty five basically Okay, sorry, we haven't finished the recap, 1:12:25.280 --> 1:12:27.560 but I feel like we've had a lot of parent discussions. 1:12:27.600 --> 1:12:31.920 So that's good, that's true. Yes, indeed, so Elizabeth receives 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:35.200 the letter from Jane saying that their sister has run 1:12:35.240 --> 1:12:40.519 off with mister Wickham. Elizabeth is devastated. Elizabeth returns home, 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:44.360 where her mother is crying about their family being ruined 1:12:44.400 --> 1:12:46.680 because a young woman running away with a man that 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:49.920 she's not married to is very improper and could ruin 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:53.320 the reputation of the entire family. But then the family 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:56.439 gets news that Lydia has been found and that she 1:12:56.680 --> 1:13:00.160 and mister Wickham are married, and it seems that their 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:04.559 uncle found them and squared everything away. But Elizabeth learns 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:08.200 that it was actually mister Darcy who paid for the 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:11.120 wedding and fixed the whole situation, and then he. 1:13:11.120 --> 1:13:15.040 Goes, I hope you know it's all for you, And 1:13:15.080 --> 1:13:17.360 then I wrote it down to my notes that mister 1:13:17.439 --> 1:13:21.639 Darcy's love language is acts of service. It literally, I mean, 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:24.800 which is I mean? Honestly, I wouldn't even hand it 1:13:24.800 --> 1:13:28.639 to him on that one, because every rich guy's love 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:33.200 language is acts of service. That's the least effort love language, right, 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:34.759 give me a fucking break. 1:13:34.960 --> 1:13:37.479 Sorry, No, it's true anyways, Okay, yeah. 1:13:37.800 --> 1:13:38.679 Guys are awesome. 1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:43.400 Then the family learns that mister Bingley is returning to 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:47.920 town he and Darcy pay a visit to the Bennetts. 1:13:48.400 --> 1:13:51.320 Bingley is clearly working up the nerve to propose to Jane, 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:53.479 but he can't go it through with it, and then 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:56.080 he leaves, but then he comes back and finally follows 1:13:56.080 --> 1:13:58.880 through on the proposal. Jane says, he. 1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:05.000 Goes yes, yes, a thousand times, a thousand times, and 1:14:05.080 --> 1:14:05.799 she's so happy. 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:09.080 And this is yet another thing that Darcy seems to 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:14.240 have fixed, which he fucked up before and which Elizabeth 1:14:14.280 --> 1:14:19.200 confronted him about. Then Lady Catherine de Bergh pays Elizabeth 1:14:19.280 --> 1:14:22.040 a visit. She seems to think that Elizabeth and Darcy 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:25.719 are engaged, and she will not hear of it because 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:29.879 she thinks that Elizabeth sucks and is undeserving of Darcy. 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:33.320 And Elizabeth is like, actually, you're the one who sucks. 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:37.120 Now get out what very ball or move love? 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:38.600 It very exciting. 1:14:39.040 --> 1:14:41.040 Then Darcy shows up and he's like. 1:14:41.520 --> 1:14:44.599 You have bewitched me body and soul, and I still 1:14:44.600 --> 1:14:45.000 love you? 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:47.360 Is there any chance that really like me? 1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:52.000 You're sorry, you're just like really doing a great job. 1:14:52.920 --> 1:14:54.440 His I mean his delivery. 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:57.360 You have bewitched me body and soul, and you're like. 1:14:57.400 --> 1:15:00.840 Oh, maaty and you're like, oh, oh my god, give 1:15:00.840 --> 1:15:06.280 me a just give me one kiss. See what happens 1:15:06.320 --> 1:15:07.439 if you give me just one. 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:09.880 So he's like, I understand if you still hate me, 1:15:09.960 --> 1:15:13.080 but is there any chance that now you might like me? 1:15:13.640 --> 1:15:17.360 And she's like, actually, yes, I love you. Let's nuzzle 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:17.800 each other. 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:22.400 They do nosies. It's they do noses and like a 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:25.920 perfectly choreographed shot in the sunlight, and you're just like, 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:31.760 I am gonna die. It's so sweet, and it's like 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:35.599 it's so rare that like an enemy is to lover's 1:15:35.680 --> 1:15:39.080 story feels I feel like, I mean, I feel like, 1:15:39.120 --> 1:15:41.160 you know, with any enemy as a lover story, there's 1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:45.000 always gonna be a few hitches, sure, but this is 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:48.519 in the upper percentile. It is like as close to 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:53.320 earned as you can get, because it's like it's time, 1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:58.080 it's growth. I still think that like Darcy doesn't fully 1:15:58.120 --> 1:16:00.559 deserve her. I like to think that he's spends the 1:16:00.600 --> 1:16:03.759 rest of his life working towards deserving her more. 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:07.080 Yes, but which I think it ends on a note 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:08.559 that that seems very likely. 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:11.960 Yeah, oh damn, I'm gonna cry. 1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:15.200 I just okay. So they're nuzzling each other, and then 1:16:15.240 --> 1:16:18.479 they get their blessing to marry each other from mister Bennett, 1:16:18.600 --> 1:16:21.960 and then Elizabeth and Darcy get married off screen, and 1:16:22.000 --> 1:16:25.759 the movie ends with them enjoying a romantic evening together 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:29.360 and like deciding which pet names they should have, and. 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:31.720 Then he gives her a little kiss. Oh they love 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:39.040 little tiny faith kisses. Missus Darcy's missus, Darsy's dosy Like, 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:42.519 it's just oh my god, that I mean, twelve years 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:46.000 old Backbraize, never been kissed in my life. I was like, 1:16:46.280 --> 1:16:50.839 I'm looking forward to this. I guess what, it doesn't happen. 1:16:51.000 --> 1:17:06.240 It didn't happen. Yeah, well, no, that's life. Okay, that's 1:17:06.240 --> 1:17:08.639 so what have we not already covered? 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:11.080 Oh? Boy? I feel like we kind of covered the 1:17:11.120 --> 1:17:12.080 parents at this point. 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:13.840 Yeah, and we've talked. 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:16.400 A lot about Lizzie and Dark, but I guess, let's like, 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:19.120 put a bow on Lizzia and Darcy. Is there other 1:17:19.160 --> 1:17:22.439 stuff that you wanted to talk about with Lizzie and Darcy. 1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:27.000 I just felt like we're so accustomed to seeing stories 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:33.080 where men never apologize, never acknowledged that they were wrong 1:17:33.560 --> 1:17:38.840 to do something, and this dynamic because of who Lizzie 1:17:38.880 --> 1:17:43.360 is demands like she will not engage with him until 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:48.479 he acknowledges like I disrespected you, I disrespected your family, 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:52.759 And I genuinely was like I have to take notes 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:56.080 from her, Like she disconnects from him for long periods 1:17:56.080 --> 1:17:58.599 of time because she's like, well, you know, like it's 1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:01.960 clear that she there's something going on there. But she's 1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:04.519 just like, but if you're not being respectful to the 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:08.240 most important people in my life, my sister, specifically her 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:11.920 relationship with Jane, and like judging my family and being 1:18:12.000 --> 1:18:15.200 a classiest asshole, and it's like, it doesn't matter if 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:18.400 there's like an attraction between us, it's never gonna happen. 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:21.479 Like they're are just like her boundaries are so firm 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:25.800 with the people that she loves, and I just I 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:28.840 just love that, Like I just that's amazing in any 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:31.879 era and I and I and I love that, Darcy, 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:36.840 does you know her? Her being so firm and who 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:40.680 she is in some ways kind of pushes him to 1:18:40.840 --> 1:18:43.719 have to grow because he's like, oh, well, I really 1:18:43.720 --> 1:18:45.559 want to be in this woman's life, but she's not 1:18:45.600 --> 1:18:48.720 going to interact with me unless I like look at 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:53.920 the darkest parts of myself basically, but then he does, 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:56.160 I mean, and it's like it's he's not one hundred 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:59.040 percent by the end of the story. But I just 1:18:59.040 --> 1:19:02.439 feel like that's a rare dynamic to see portrayed in 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:07.240 any story of like a woman really holding her own 1:19:07.640 --> 1:19:10.760 in what her values are and a man and this 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:13.719 is you know, obviously this is a very heterosexual story 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:19.080 in heterosexual time in terms of popular storytelling, right, But 1:19:19.160 --> 1:19:25.439 like he is forced to look at himself and improve 1:19:25.520 --> 1:19:29.200 and do better and like and then actually like is 1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:32.000 on the way to that by the end of the story. Like, 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:36.200 I just it's, yeah, it's shocking for twenty twenty two. 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:40.920 I know most men won't do that, you know, And 1:19:41.000 --> 1:19:44.800 he was true. This is another thing I have complicated 1:19:44.800 --> 1:19:48.080 feelings about because on one hand, I mean, I love 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:53.040 Elizabeth Bennett. She's smart, she's funny, she's got a quick wit, 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:56.000 she isn't afraid to speak her mind. In a time 1:19:56.040 --> 1:19:59.640 period and in a culture where these things were not 1:19:59.680 --> 1:20:01.200 really valued of women. 1:20:01.160 --> 1:20:03.639 Dangerous to speak your mind in this time if you're well, 1:20:03.680 --> 1:20:05.400 you could be fucked for life. 1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:09.439 Right, And despite those things, like she still has strong 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:14.360 convictions and strong opinions, and she voices them, and she's 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:17.040 so good at comebacks to a point where I'm like, 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:21.120 I gotta take notes about that, because her comeback game 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:25.120 is amazing. She's like not really sold on the idea 1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:28.680 of not necessarily romantic love, because she says at one 1:20:28.680 --> 1:20:31.920 point like only the deepest, strongest love would drive me 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:35.679 to matrimony, and therefore I think I'll end up an 1:20:35.720 --> 1:20:42.200 old maid because men are humorless poppy cocks slash men 1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:46.000 are either eaten up with arrogance or stupidity. If they 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:48.640 are amiable, they are so easily led they have no 1:20:48.720 --> 1:20:50.920 minds of their own whatsoever. So she does not have 1:20:50.960 --> 1:20:55.280 a very high opinion of men in general. Mister Darcy 1:20:55.320 --> 1:21:00.960 comes along. He seems like just like all the other boys, 1:21:01.040 --> 1:21:05.920 like too proud, and you know he's prejudiced to prejudice. 1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:09.800 He seems miserable. She notices it right away, or at 1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:13.520 least that's her perception of him, that's her first impression. 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:16.960 Then then there's a scene where he talks about how 1:21:16.960 --> 1:21:21.160 he hardly knows any accomplished women because by his standards, 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:24.320 a woman has to have a thorough knowledge of you know, 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:28.559 music and drawing and dancing in languages and she has 1:21:28.680 --> 1:21:33.120 to improve her mind by extensive reading, which Elizabeth does do. 1:21:33.320 --> 1:21:36.000 She loves books, and I wonder if Jane Austen was 1:21:36.040 --> 1:21:39.040 kind of the first sort of perpetrators of the trope. 1:21:39.920 --> 1:21:42.200 Girl is not like the other girls because she likes 1:21:42.600 --> 1:21:46.960 books anyway, So he's like kind of carrying on about 1:21:47.240 --> 1:21:49.680 you know, I would only consider a woman who has 1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:52.639 all these qualities, and she's like, how do you even 1:21:52.760 --> 1:21:55.880 know any women like that? And he's like, okay, I 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:59.000 guess you hate women. And then she's like, no, you 1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:02.519 just have ridiculous high standards, which she doesn't actually really say, 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:05.960 but I feel like that's what's implied in that conversation. 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:09.280 So like we learn about his just kind of I 1:22:09.320 --> 1:22:13.360 guess prejudice against women, his like standards that are too high. 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:15.800 But meanwhile he's like falling in love with her, so 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:17.040 you know, he's confused. 1:22:17.080 --> 1:22:20.599 But also I feel like he's doing the thing that like, 1:22:21.280 --> 1:22:23.559 I mean, and again it's like I feel like it's 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:26.439 rewarded in the context that he's doing it, where it's like, oh, 1:22:26.439 --> 1:22:28.400 his standards are very high, but he's doing the thing 1:22:28.439 --> 1:22:31.960 that people do of all genders, where they set standards 1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:34.880 so high that they're unattainable and they never need to 1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:37.960 emotionally engage with someone because they're like, well, no one's 1:22:38.000 --> 1:22:40.080 going to be good enough for me, so I guess 1:22:40.120 --> 1:22:42.640 I'm just going to be alone forever. And it's like, well, no, 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:43.799 you're actually just scared. 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:46.479 Wow, it's true. 1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:49.479 He's he's scared. He's scared, but it's like because of 1:22:49.520 --> 1:22:53.120 his class and his gender, he's rewarded as like, oh, 1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:56.160 you're being but if you put that attitude into so 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:59.719 many other people of that era, it would be received 1:22:59.760 --> 1:23:00.360 so didly. 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:01.000 Right. 1:23:01.479 --> 1:23:07.719 Yes, So there's that conversation, and then after she calls 1:23:07.760 --> 1:23:12.280 him out several times for being unpleasant and too proud 1:23:12.360 --> 1:23:16.080 and all of this and too prejudice, he like seems 1:23:16.160 --> 1:23:18.599 to start to see the error of his ways, and 1:23:18.760 --> 1:23:22.840 she is like maybe not intentionally on her part, but 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:26.920 like he does seem to be displaying growth and he's 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:31.160 doing some self reflecting and being like wow, maybe. 1:23:30.800 --> 1:23:33.440 And it's like active, it's not accidental. 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:36.600 But then the like the midpoint rolls around of the 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:40.519 movie where he proposes, and in his proposal he's like, wow, 1:23:41.280 --> 1:23:43.599 everything's telling me that I shouldn't be in love with you. 1:23:43.720 --> 1:23:47.880 Because I am so proud and prejudiced, but I love 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:50.200 you anyway. And she's like, Okay, well that was the 1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:53.640 worst proposal I've ever heard. You were so mean to 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:56.719 me and my family just then, and you also ruined 1:23:56.760 --> 1:24:02.719 my sister's life and you're mean. And he's like, well, 1:24:03.120 --> 1:24:06.720 I guess I have more growing to do. So then 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:07.840 he goes and grows some more. 1:24:08.600 --> 1:24:13.040 I just I really like, I love it. I love it. 1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:15.160 Elizabeth is amazing. 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:20.720 Yes, what I admire about this is her behavior. I'm 1:24:20.760 --> 1:24:23.840 still not very sold on, like and I don't think 1:24:23.840 --> 1:24:28.120 you are either, but like Darcy being completely deserving of 1:24:28.560 --> 1:24:32.639 kind of the redemption that he gets in Elizabeth's eyes, No, 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:37.040 I agree, but also like a redemption by like whatever, 1:24:37.240 --> 1:24:42.000 like eighteen hundreds or late seventeen hundred's standards probably didn't 1:24:42.000 --> 1:24:46.360 have to be that significant because the bar for men's 1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:49.160 behavior was low. 1:24:49.560 --> 1:24:52.880 And I also think it's like a lesson in I 1:24:52.920 --> 1:24:56.120 don't know, I mean, I felt like, let me know 1:24:56.160 --> 1:24:58.720 how you feel about this. I felt like, I don't 1:24:58.760 --> 1:25:03.200 even think Elizabeth was saying at the end of the story, like, 1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:07.479 I think Darcy is exactly where he needs to be. 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:11.800 He's a fully formed person. I think that her conditions 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:16.320 for being to marry him was like that she believed 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:19.840 that he could get there and was like, like he 1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:23.040 had displayed that, like I am willing to do the 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:26.360 work and the self introspection and the like questioning my 1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:31.640 prides and prejudices to be a better person, which I 1:25:31.640 --> 1:25:34.840 think is like, you know, and obviously this isn't like 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:37.640 a blanket statement, but in a serious relationship, I think 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:41.040 that that's the thing is like, very often it's like, 1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:44.640 you know, if you're waiting for someone to arrive at 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:47.120 you fully formed, you could be waiting for a very 1:25:47.160 --> 1:25:50.040 long time, and that's fine. But I think for a 1:25:50.040 --> 1:25:54.880 lot of people it is often enough for it to 1:25:54.920 --> 1:25:58.040 be like, Okay, no, you're not fully formed, but you 1:25:58.200 --> 1:26:02.760 know that, and you're willing to continue working, and it's 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:06.280 not like my burden to get you to where you 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:08.360 need to be. You're a work in progress and you're 1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:10.080 getting to where you need to. And it seems like 1:26:10.880 --> 1:26:13.559 that's sort of where they both are, and like part 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:17.320 of the reason why they connect is because like, and 1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:19.200 I feel like it's made more explicit in the in 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:22.400 the movie, in that scene that makes me cry, even 1:26:22.439 --> 1:26:25.320 though I have issues with mister Bennett. But the way 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:27.479 that Lizzie talks in that scene where she's just like, 1:26:28.240 --> 1:26:32.080 we're so similar, like we which I feel like is 1:26:32.120 --> 1:26:34.719 her way of acknowledging like we're both works in progress. 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:38.160 I do think that the way that they're they are similar. 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:43.600 The context is different because like Darcy's prides and prejudices 1:26:43.720 --> 1:26:47.080 are more impactful because of the time they're living in 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:52.160 and less sympathetic than Lizzie's because Lizzie's prides and prejudices 1:26:52.240 --> 1:26:55.519 are against the rich, so it's kind of easier to 1:26:55.560 --> 1:26:59.040 get on her side totally. Darcy's prides and prejudices are 1:26:59.040 --> 1:27:02.479 against the poorest. So they're similar impulses, but they're you know, 1:27:02.600 --> 1:27:07.479 weaponized very differently with very different results. So yeah, I 1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:10.559 feel like, maybe, you know, that's not fully examined, But 1:27:10.680 --> 1:27:15.640 I do believe that Lizzie thinks, and I want to 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:19.080 believe it based on his behavior that it's like he's 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:22.920 not perfect, but he's demonstrated a lot of growth, and 1:27:23.000 --> 1:27:26.679 I think that he's willing to continue working to deserve 1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:29.880 being with me, and I think that that is like 1:27:29.960 --> 1:27:35.639 a very beautiful, empathetic thing. I don't know, I agree, 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:36.880 that's just how I feel today. 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:44.760 Sure right, ask me again tomorrow. Elizabeth being prejudice in 1:27:44.800 --> 1:27:47.439 a cool way where she's like, fuck the rich, eat 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:50.599 the rich, right, I do find and again this might 1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:55.160 just be demonstrative of my lack of understanding of culture 1:27:55.360 --> 1:27:59.000 at the time. I'm not a history scholar, believe it 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:01.040 or not. Listener of the Bechdel cast. 1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:04.000 Brave of you to admit, thank you so much. 1:28:05.560 --> 1:28:07.760 So they're always talking about how poor they are, the 1:28:07.800 --> 1:28:11.120 Bennett family, but then they live in a huge mansion 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:12.440 and have a bunch of servants. 1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:16.599 So that was a So that's something that comes up 1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:20.840 a lot because I was also like, explain this to me, 1:28:21.680 --> 1:28:24.960 uh yeah, like I don't fully have an understanding of that. 1:28:25.040 --> 1:28:27.840 I do know that, it's like that also seemed to 1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:32.080 be based on my slight research because I didn't I mean, 1:28:32.120 --> 1:28:35.479 and we're I fully intend to do more Jane Austen 1:28:35.560 --> 1:28:37.880 research before I am a episode, but I just did 1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:39.519 not have time before this episode. 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:40.240 That's okay. 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:43.639 But my understanding, just have a brief Jane Austen overview, 1:28:43.680 --> 1:28:46.439 is that Jane Austen very much presented herself as like 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:50.559 an underdog, like I'm poor, but like, and I feel 1:28:50.600 --> 1:28:52.479 like people people still do this all the time today. 1:28:52.520 --> 1:28:55.920 They're like, I'm poor, and then you're like, you're like 1:28:56.560 --> 1:28:59.719 a really famous person's daughter, Like what are you talking about? 1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:03.320 You know, like they're like, I'm so relatable, like and 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:06.400 I'm thinking of five people. But I you know, I 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:08.360 respect women, so I'm not gonna say that. But like, 1:29:09.000 --> 1:29:13.880 you know, my understanding is that the class difference that's 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:17.120 being examined here that isn't like fully made clear in 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:20.720 either the book or the movie, partially because of where 1:29:20.800 --> 1:29:23.840 Jane Austen was coming from, being like I'm poor, which 1:29:23.880 --> 1:29:26.280 was her way of saying I'm upper middle class and 1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:28.839 everyone else around me is fabulously wealthy. 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:30.080 That is what. 1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:34.880 There's a class difference, but it's like not because it's 1:29:34.880 --> 1:29:38.880 like in the whole book, you meet one working class 1:29:39.000 --> 1:29:44.479 character and it's Darcy's head servant, and she all she 1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:46.559 can talk about is how much she loves Darcy. Like 1:29:46.600 --> 1:29:48.920 this is not a working class story at all. And 1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:51.479 I feel like the Bennetts, You're totally like, I agree, 1:29:51.640 --> 1:29:54.400 Like the Bennetts are presented as like we're so poor, 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:57.400 but this is a story between like the middle to 1:29:57.479 --> 1:30:00.720 upper middle class versus fucking. 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:04.680 Elon the welse, you know, right, yeah, yeah, So the 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:09.400 information I've gathered is that Darcy earns ten thousand dollars 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:13.080 a year or ten thousand pounds, sorry, ten thousand pounds 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:18.400 a year, which is the equivalent of somewhere million between. Well, 1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:21.799 it's between. It's between six hundred and seven hundred thousand 1:30:21.840 --> 1:30:24.839 pounds per year, which is a significant income. 1:30:25.240 --> 1:30:27.280 That's a lot of money, for. 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:30.519 Sure, But I don't think they're like billionaire status, or 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:32.080 if anyone even was back then. 1:30:32.439 --> 1:30:35.799 Yeah, actually fuck him. 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:39.720 The Bennett family according to my research, and maybe this 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:42.160 was mentioned in the book, but I think they bring 1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:45.920 in an income of two thousand pounds a year, which 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:49.120 is slightly less than half of what Bingley brings in, 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:51.519 which is five thousand pounds a year. So yeah, based 1:30:51.520 --> 1:30:56.360 on that, they seem middle class, I would say the Bennetts. 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:59.280 Which like fine, I yeah, I feel like that's almost 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:01.840 like a Jane Austin an issue too, because like. 1:31:02.120 --> 1:31:05.080 But then, but again, according to my research, Jane Austen 1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:10.439 was fairly poor her entire life and didn't become famous 1:31:10.520 --> 1:31:13.639 until after her death, which was at like age forty 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:15.880 one or something like that. She died quite young and 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:20.640 wasn't famous or wealthy, and I think was like I 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:23.959 think again, according to some some of the resources I consulted, 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:27.479 was living below the poverty line her entire life. 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:31.479 I totally, I mean I didn't do the Jane Austen 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:35.320 life prep, so I totally, yeah, you're right, thank. 1:31:35.120 --> 1:31:37.360 You so much. That's so I am a scholar after all. 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:41.000 Wow, that's so interesting because it's like most of her 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:45.680 stories are so of the upper class, and it's like 1:31:45.760 --> 1:31:49.439 not even really a criticism of her, because it's also like, 1:31:49.720 --> 1:31:52.360 I mean, it's funny, like we were talking about Succession 1:31:52.400 --> 1:31:56.679 at the beginning of this episode, where like forever and 1:31:57.080 --> 1:31:59.080 there's a lot of criticism on it, and like there 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:02.599 are I still believe there's not enough like stories about 1:32:02.600 --> 1:32:06.200 the working class, and particularly like fun and engaging stories 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:08.400 about the working class, where it's so often you get 1:32:08.400 --> 1:32:11.639 working class stories that are just trauma porn and everyone's like, well, 1:32:11.680 --> 1:32:14.200 we're bummed out, and it's like, well, yeah, no shit, 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:17.240 Like rich people are having all the fun in movies too, 1:32:17.479 --> 1:32:19.280 like fuck you. 1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:20.920 You know, but except for that scene in Titanic when 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:23.599 they're the poor people are having fun dancing below deck 1:32:23.640 --> 1:32:24.719 and the rich people are hopping. 1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:28.280 They all died two days later. They're all like we 1:32:28.320 --> 1:32:30.599 all we like, you can't have that scene without having 1:32:30.640 --> 1:32:33.479 to watch all of those characters individually drowned. So like 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:35.719 it's it, it cancels out. 1:32:36.640 --> 1:32:37.200 Fair point. 1:32:37.320 --> 1:32:41.520 Yeah, But but but I'll have to say, like Succession, 1:32:41.720 --> 1:32:45.320 that's the current show about like rich people fucking around 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:48.840 and having complicated interpersonal relationships that. 1:32:48.760 --> 1:32:52.760 Matthew mcfatdy and is also in that, like people across 1:32:52.920 --> 1:32:57.120 class lines really enjoy because that has been so much 1:32:57.160 --> 1:33:00.160 of how the history of storytelling has been. It's like, 1:33:00.200 --> 1:33:02.880 you know, kings and queens and rich people like that's 1:33:02.920 --> 1:33:05.559 been so many of the famous story and that's like 1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:09.479 something that I think is like up for examination of, 1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:12.240 like why can't we have more working class heroes without 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:16.120 it being tragedy poor? And I think that's like something 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:19.719 that I hope is you know, there there are stories 1:33:19.760 --> 1:33:22.640 where that's the case, but it's still a lot of 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:23.680 rich people, you know. 1:33:23.960 --> 1:33:24.360 Yeah. 1:33:24.479 --> 1:33:26.360 I just wish it was like maybe made a little 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:29.200 clearer in the book as well, because they they're always 1:33:29.360 --> 1:33:32.719 because I do like get how upper middle class people 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:36.200 are often saying I'm poor when they're around rich people 1:33:36.240 --> 1:33:39.120 all the time. But it's also like you're an author 1:33:39.520 --> 1:33:42.800 or you're a filmmaker, you can contextualize that and not 1:33:42.920 --> 1:33:45.639 just have the only working class person in the entire 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:48.559 movie talk about how much you love rich people. And 1:33:48.600 --> 1:33:50.719 I've never I've never. 1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:54.600 Seen oh Downton Abby. 1:33:54.800 --> 1:33:58.400 Yes, but that that's something that does that well, right, 1:33:58.479 --> 1:33:59.920 like that that is. 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:02.559 Really well, it's been a few years since I've seen it, 1:34:02.600 --> 1:34:06.360 but yeah, it basically pays equal attention and equal screen 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:09.320 time and characterization and all of that stuff to the 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:15.120 upper class you know, aristocracy people and the working class 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:17.880 servants who work for the rich people. 1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:20.120 Hell yeah, so okay. 1:34:19.920 --> 1:34:24.000 Whereas in this movie and like you know, this this story, 1:34:24.120 --> 1:34:27.320 it is really only concerned about the lives and affairs 1:34:27.439 --> 1:34:31.160 of people of like, you know, these higher economic classes 1:34:31.520 --> 1:34:35.760 and anyone of significantly lower class, like the servants who 1:34:35.800 --> 1:34:40.040 we see like working in the Bennett house. Uh, they're 1:34:40.080 --> 1:34:42.120 given no characterization. 1:34:41.680 --> 1:34:44.760 Like who are they? Yeah, yeah, they're I mean, they're 1:34:44.800 --> 1:34:47.720 basically viewed as like status and property, which is like 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:52.000 again complicated when you consider the fact that like a 1:34:52.040 --> 1:34:56.919 lot of what the Bennetts are the Bennett's sisters in particular, 1:34:57.000 --> 1:34:58.880 are pushing up against is like I don't want to 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:02.280 be viewed as property. But then there's also you're in 1:35:02.360 --> 1:35:06.000 the middle class, so you do view other people as property, 1:35:06.280 --> 1:35:09.559 but you resent being considered as property by people above you, 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:13.000 Like where's your empathy for the people below you? And 1:35:13.080 --> 1:35:18.519 I don't have have like read I think like how 1:35:18.560 --> 1:35:21.519 many Jane Okay, wait, let me pull up Okay, I've 1:35:21.520 --> 1:35:25.639 read one, two, three, four out of like seven Jane 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:29.000 Austen novels, I don't really remember, Like if there is 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:33.800 one particular Jane Austen book that tackles this particularly, that's 1:35:33.800 --> 1:35:36.160 really interesting that she she would have had an intimate 1:35:36.240 --> 1:35:40.439 understanding of the poorer classes. But I also think that 1:35:40.479 --> 1:35:43.679 there's something to be said for like in this time, 1:35:44.080 --> 1:35:47.160 especially because she had to write under pseudonyms. Right, did 1:35:47.240 --> 1:35:50.240 stories about poor people sell in the eighteen hundreds? 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:56.600 Maybe not Oliver Twist Oliver Twist Poor, but that was 1:35:56.640 --> 1:35:59.200 written by a man, So you know, it's like it's 1:35:59.840 --> 1:36:03.799 we clearly don't have enough knowledge to make any definiteness statement. 1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:07.439 I guess where the more effective class discussion comes in 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:13.840 for this story is the recognition on Jane Austen's part 1:36:14.200 --> 1:36:19.080 that in this society, women had so few options and 1:36:19.400 --> 1:36:23.200 so few rights and opportunities that one of the only 1:36:23.240 --> 1:36:27.200 ways that they could secure any hope for survival was 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:32.639 to marry a man, and therefore the goal for many 1:36:32.720 --> 1:36:37.320 women becomes find the man with the highest income. Because 1:36:37.360 --> 1:36:39.080 part of me is like, wow, this is a movie 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:43.080 almost entirely about women talking about who should I marry, 1:36:43.160 --> 1:36:45.280 who can I marry? Who was the richest guy? Did? 1:36:45.280 --> 1:36:48.479 Like so much of that where like just coming at 1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:51.439 it from like a very surface level, like Bechdel test 1:36:51.640 --> 1:36:54.040 point of view, is like, oh, that doesn't feel great, 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:58.360 but considering the historical context and you know, just the 1:36:58.479 --> 1:37:02.960 nuances of well, yeah, but women were considered lesser than 1:37:03.040 --> 1:37:09.160 men and living in this very oppressive structure and had 1:37:09.560 --> 1:37:14.559 very few options, and the most realistic one and the 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:20.439 most feasible one for most women was to try to marry. Well, 1:37:20.720 --> 1:37:23.919 so you can't fault them for that because that's literally 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:25.240 just survival. 1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:28.760 And yeah, that's that's sort of like that's something that 1:37:28.800 --> 1:37:34.719 I feel like is growth moment in terms of how 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:41.280 we have taken the approach to this show over the years, 1:37:41.320 --> 1:37:43.600 Like I feel like there was a time in the 1:37:43.640 --> 1:37:45.519 show where we'd be like, they're talking about marriage the 1:37:45.560 --> 1:37:48.280 whole time, but it's like in this time and in 1:37:48.320 --> 1:37:51.479 this story, when they're talking about marriage, the subtext is 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:54.840 they're talking about survival, right, and they're talking about like 1:37:55.080 --> 1:37:58.760 there are no you know, Like it's very I don't know, 1:37:58.880 --> 1:38:01.760 I don't know why. I'm just like twenty seventeen, Like 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:04.000 it's very twenty seventeen to be like, well, why didn't 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:05.960 they start a small business? 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:10.559 It's like, yeah, they should have become girl bosses, right, right, 1:38:10.640 --> 1:38:14.720 like in extraordinary circumstances, like obviously, like there there are 1:38:14.760 --> 1:38:17.760 always women in every time Jane Austen. 1:38:17.400 --> 1:38:21.720 Included, who were able to have careers independently, but that 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:24.479 came at such significant cost. It was not the norm. 1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:27.400 It's an unreasonable expectation for women of this time to 1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:31.640 not be thinking of marriage as inherently connected to survival, 1:38:31.800 --> 1:38:35.759 especially if your family is all women and the one 1:38:35.840 --> 1:38:38.799 man in the family they've a shit, massive and shitty, 1:38:39.280 --> 1:38:41.960 like I get it. 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:44.720 So that comes through in like, yeah, a lot of 1:38:44.960 --> 1:38:48.799 missus Bennett's behavior, right, And there's a there's a scene 1:38:49.520 --> 1:38:53.000 with Lizzie's friend Charlotte where she comes to tell Lizzie 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:57.320 that she's married mister Collins because it offered her a 1:38:57.360 --> 1:39:00.400 secure future and like Lizzie's like, but he's ridiculou and 1:39:00.439 --> 1:39:03.280 she's like, look, I'm twenty seven years old, which like, 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:06.240 for the time was sixteen years old. I was considered 1:39:06.280 --> 1:39:08.559 like an old maid. Basically, she's like, I have no 1:39:08.640 --> 1:39:11.920 money and no prospects. I'm a burden to my parents. 1:39:12.280 --> 1:39:15.120 I'm frightened, So don't you dare judge me? And it's like, 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:18.040 oh shit, like I see where you're coming from. 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:23.120 Charlotte such an effectively written scene that was like condensed 1:39:23.200 --> 1:39:24.960 for the movie, but I just thought it was so 1:39:25.040 --> 1:39:28.160 well done. Yeah, yeah, that whole I mean that whole friendship, 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:31.720 and I really I think that's like a cool and 1:39:31.760 --> 1:39:34.760 it does come through clearly in the book as well, 1:39:34.800 --> 1:39:38.000 where that's like I think that her storyline was Charlotte 1:39:38.080 --> 1:39:40.920 might be like one of the first prides and prejudices 1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:46.160 that Lizzie works through in the story where obviously everyone 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:51.679 knows that mister Collins is not great and Lizzie rejects 1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:54.920 him and it's amazing and it's very exciting. And then 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:58.639 when Charlotte contextualizes her situation where she's like, Okay, you're 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:02.000 twenty and you're from a your family than I am. 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:06.240 And and because women were so this is something we 1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:09.840 haven't really talked about yet, like women were so aggressively 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:14.639 judged for how they looked and beauty standards. I feel 1:40:14.640 --> 1:40:16.920 like it's kind of interesting because two thousand and five 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:19.719 beauty standards are being pumped in, whereas like the beauty 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:22.160 standards of the eighteen hundreds would have been different. I 1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:24.400 think that if this was a true period piece, the 1:40:24.439 --> 1:40:28.439 women in the story would look different. But all that 1:40:28.520 --> 1:40:32.000 to say, like even with the two thousand and five 1:40:32.120 --> 1:40:35.880 beauty standards put in to this story, it's like, you 1:40:36.160 --> 1:40:41.160 are the beauty, so you are our ticket into financial security. 1:40:41.800 --> 1:40:45.320 You are not quote unquote the beauty in the traditional 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:51.040 Western beauty standards sense, and therefore you will be neglected. 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:54.760 And like it's mentioned, I mean it's said, and this 1:40:54.880 --> 1:40:56.960 is like one of the places where you're like, fuck 1:40:57.040 --> 1:41:00.559 Missus Bennett, where Missus Bennett just like mascot, Like I 1:41:00.600 --> 1:41:03.599 don't think she's hot, and so I'm not interested in 1:41:03.680 --> 1:41:07.559 talking about her. And Lizzie like never does that, never 1:41:07.640 --> 1:41:10.559 judges anyone based on how they look because she like 1:41:10.920 --> 1:41:15.560 knows it's bullshit because she's Lizzie Bennett. And yeah, I 1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:17.599 mean there's that scene at the beginning where like missus 1:41:17.600 --> 1:41:21.840 Bennett is criticizing how Charlotte looks, and like, this is 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:25.240 clearly feedback that Charlotte has been getting for a long time. 1:41:25.320 --> 1:41:28.400 It's clearly feedback that Mary has been getting. It's clearly 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:32.000 feedback that Lady Catherine's daughter whose name escapes me at 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:35.320 this moment, has been getting. And it's like there are 1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:37.840 multiple and I think that's like really strong writing on 1:41:38.160 --> 1:41:44.400 Jane Austen's part and ooh, screenwriter Deborah Mogoq's part. Mogok 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:49.280 don't know, sorry, mogotch could be anything, but I think 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:51.599 that's really strong on their part, that it's like this 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:53.840 is this is something that has been thrown in their 1:41:53.880 --> 1:41:56.439 face their entire lives, and they've been made to feel 1:41:56.479 --> 1:41:59.760 small by it, and it's clearly affected them and that's 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:03.680 to be expected. And it's like, I think given the 1:42:03.720 --> 1:42:06.160 circumstance that Charlotte has been in where she's been called 1:42:06.280 --> 1:42:10.559 unattractive her whole life, which is not even true, and 1:42:10.800 --> 1:42:13.439 the fact that she's twenty seven years old. Oh no, 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:17.800 we're both literally dead in this situation. But like, you know, 1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:21.120 the time whatever, right, And I still think that, Like 1:42:21.200 --> 1:42:24.200 she ends up, she stands up to Lizzie and is like, look, 1:42:24.400 --> 1:42:27.360 what would you fucking do in my situation? And then 1:42:27.400 --> 1:42:30.479 on top of that is like, I'm not sentimental like you. 1:42:30.720 --> 1:42:33.400 I want to survive, right, So like what do you 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:36.880 want from me? And Lucy has to like it's still 1:42:36.920 --> 1:42:38.840 not how she's going to live her life. And part 1:42:38.840 --> 1:42:41.960 of that is because of her own privilege, both physically 1:42:42.200 --> 1:42:46.000 and financially, right, And so she is privileged to be 1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:48.200 able to take the stands that she does and not 1:42:48.280 --> 1:42:50.840 have her whole life fall apart as a result, even 1:42:50.880 --> 1:42:53.600 though it still could, but like less likely, you know. 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:56.840 Yeah, she's got you know, like youth privilege, youth privilege, 1:42:57.080 --> 1:43:01.480 cure Knightley hot privilege where she can down mister Collins, 1:43:01.600 --> 1:43:06.240 she can turn down mister Darcy has for his first proposal. Yeah, 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:10.280 she she's turning down people, even though mister Collins is like, yeah, 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:13.360 there's no guarantee that you'll ever get another marriage proposal, 1:43:13.400 --> 1:43:16.720 and it's like sir, Okay, do you know who you're 1:43:16.720 --> 1:43:21.320 talking to you're talking to Kiera Knightly like, which also 1:43:21.360 --> 1:43:24.760 makes the scene at the beginning when mister Darcy's like, yeah, 1:43:25.000 --> 1:43:28.080 she's tolerable but not handsome enough to tempt me, and 1:43:28.120 --> 1:43:30.879 it's like, you're talking about Kia Nightly. 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:35.080 Well great, we're all fun because you just called Kiara 1:43:35.160 --> 1:43:42.120 Knightly ugly, Like what are you talking about? Anyways? I agree, 1:43:43.040 --> 1:43:46.240 but I think that, like in the text, Lizzy is 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:50.400 forced to examine that and like is able to get 1:43:50.439 --> 1:43:53.880 past it and continues, like because it's said in the book. 1:43:53.920 --> 1:43:56.360 I think at the like Lizzy's like, oh, now we're 1:43:56.400 --> 1:43:59.080 never gonna see each other again, We're not gonna be friends. 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:02.960 This so blah blah blah. But then they do remain friends, 1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:10.320 and Lizzie gets past her prides and prejudices Charlotte I still, 1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:12.479 I mean, it's like I want better for Charlotte, I 1:44:12.520 --> 1:44:15.800 want better for Mary. I want them to, you know, 1:44:15.960 --> 1:44:19.439 live in a society that doesn't make them feel like 1:44:19.640 --> 1:44:23.400 shit against stuff that isn't even true. But then it's 1:44:23.439 --> 1:44:26.720 also like I just really thought that it was a 1:44:26.920 --> 1:44:30.320 nice thing in this story and in this time that 1:44:30.520 --> 1:44:34.599 like these two women prioritize their friendship and their love 1:44:34.640 --> 1:44:38.400 for each other, and because this is how things had 1:44:38.400 --> 1:44:41.280 to play out for Charlotte to survive in a way 1:44:41.320 --> 1:44:45.040 that she was comfortable with that Lizzie's like, Okay, I 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:48.559 hear you, and we can still be friends. I just 1:44:48.600 --> 1:44:52.640 think it's really it's not. Nothing is ideal in the 1:44:52.680 --> 1:44:54.960 way that stories work out between women and the story 1:44:55.000 --> 1:44:57.080 for the most part. But I do think that it's 1:44:57.160 --> 1:45:01.559 nice that they like Lizzie prioritizes how Charlotte's feeling, and 1:45:01.600 --> 1:45:05.800 that's why she's able to remain friends. And Charlotte is 1:45:05.840 --> 1:45:10.439 also very sensitive to like whatever. Charlotte's like empathetic to like, yeah, 1:45:10.439 --> 1:45:13.640 I get why you didn't want to marry mister Collins, 1:45:13.960 --> 1:45:17.599 but I'm doing it so to like be friends. 1:45:17.680 --> 1:45:20.280 Yeah, and I've got this room that I can escape 1:45:20.280 --> 1:45:21.600 to where he won't bother me. 1:45:21.760 --> 1:45:25.120 And isn't that she has her She has her like 1:45:25.760 --> 1:45:31.320 woman cave where she's like no Collins is allowed. 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:34.000 Yeah. 1:45:34.240 --> 1:45:37.280 I think one of the big strengths of this adaptation 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:43.200 is that even though many many characters were eliminated or 1:45:43.360 --> 1:45:46.720 scaled back in the movie, but the movie chooses to 1:45:47.720 --> 1:45:51.600 keep a lot of the relationships between women, notably Elizabeth 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:56.280 and her sisters and mother, and Elizabeth and her friend Charlotte. 1:45:56.600 --> 1:45:59.920 Those are still present in the movie, and they're given 1:46:01.040 --> 1:46:03.559 I thought, a good amount of focus because even though 1:46:03.560 --> 1:46:09.120 the driving vehicle for this story is the romance between 1:46:09.560 --> 1:46:15.320 Elizabeth and Darcy, screen time dedicated to her relationships with women, 1:46:15.920 --> 1:46:19.240 they don't like dwindle those down at the expense of 1:46:19.280 --> 1:46:21.600 this relationship, this romantic relationship. 1:46:21.840 --> 1:46:24.920 I agree, I agree, Yeah, and I like that you 1:46:25.000 --> 1:46:29.200 still get the relationship between Lizzie and Jane. I would 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:31.680 have liked. And again, this is and we have to 1:46:31.720 --> 1:46:32.880 I mean, we've been recording for. 1:46:32.800 --> 1:46:35.320 A while, so hours, it's. 1:46:35.160 --> 1:46:37.840 Almost been two hours, so we do need to wrap up. 1:46:37.840 --> 1:46:41.120 But like I do like that Lizzie and Jane like 1:46:41.280 --> 1:46:43.479 they're again. It was like giving like a little bit 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:47.240 of little women of like the eldest has is a 1:46:47.280 --> 1:46:49.880 little more shy, a little more reserved. It was giving 1:46:49.920 --> 1:46:53.720 me some meg March energy of like, sure, I want 1:46:53.800 --> 1:46:58.479 a more traditional life and Lizzie is that's not who 1:46:58.520 --> 1:47:01.200 she is at all. But they have such a strong 1:47:01.240 --> 1:47:03.679 love for each other. They would do anything for each other, 1:47:04.400 --> 1:47:07.480 and they are able to like navigate each other's personalities 1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:12.719 and the way that like true friendships and love does 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:17.240 I love their relationship same? I love and I have 1:47:17.320 --> 1:47:19.400 like such a soft spot for Jane, even though sometimes 1:47:19.439 --> 1:47:21.479 I'm like, Jane, speak up for yourself. But like I 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:23.080 like Jane is like more of. 1:47:23.080 --> 1:47:25.360 She's shy and modice shine. 1:47:26.080 --> 1:47:30.000 Yeah, like she's a sweetie. And Lydia, I mean I 1:47:30.000 --> 1:47:34.160 also think that like with with Lydia and and Kid Kiddy, 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:38.439 it's they're so young that it's like you can't really 1:47:38.560 --> 1:47:43.360 justdge Like I understand that sixteen is thirty in this world, 1:47:43.880 --> 1:47:47.759 but like they're so young and that like you can't 1:47:47.800 --> 1:47:50.760 really judge them on anything like where I know, like 1:47:50.880 --> 1:47:51.240 and the. 1:47:51.160 --> 1:47:52.920 Story and the story. 1:47:52.600 --> 1:47:56.720 Acknowledges that, like they're very very young, and it's like, yeah, 1:47:57.160 --> 1:47:59.439 there are two teenage girls that are really excited that 1:47:59.479 --> 1:48:04.000 there's a lot of cute boys around, Like right, they're fifteen, 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:08.120 like they're seventeen, Like yeah, give them a break. And 1:48:08.200 --> 1:48:10.519 I do feel like maybe that both stories could have 1:48:10.520 --> 1:48:14.920 given them more empathy and reminders that it's like these 1:48:14.960 --> 1:48:17.720 are kids right to like chill out, you know. 1:48:17.720 --> 1:48:22.400 And even though adult men married fifteen year olds during 1:48:22.439 --> 1:48:25.040 this time, yikes. 1:48:24.560 --> 1:48:25.799 They're still kids. 1:48:25.960 --> 1:48:28.920 They're teen girls doing teen girl shit, and everyone's just 1:48:29.000 --> 1:48:31.639 like you were so silly and ridiculous, and it's like, no. 1:48:31.960 --> 1:48:35.840 You're brilliating the family. It's like, oh god, I'm glad 1:48:35.880 --> 1:48:38.000 the steaks weren't like that when I was a teenager, 1:48:38.080 --> 1:48:40.040 because I was, I mean I was. I was like 1:48:40.240 --> 1:48:42.400 every teenage girl is like, if that's the steaks for 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:47.720 every teenager in general, your family's fucked. Like teenagers are embarrassing, 1:48:47.960 --> 1:48:51.519 Like that's what you're supposed to be embarrassing. It's literally 1:48:51.560 --> 1:48:54.080 your one job is to do the most embarrassing thing 1:48:54.120 --> 1:48:54.760 you can think of. 1:48:55.080 --> 1:49:01.240 Truly. Yeah, okay, So just a couple last till things. 1:49:01.560 --> 1:49:05.439 Fun fact, I learned from our favorite scholarly journal Wikipedia 1:49:05.680 --> 1:49:10.120 that apparently a person from Chili watched this movie two 1:49:10.240 --> 1:49:14.120 hundred and seventy eight times during a single year. So 1:49:14.240 --> 1:49:16.280 oh yeah, an icon. Good for her. 1:49:17.400 --> 1:49:19.000 Oh that's the end of the story. 1:49:19.040 --> 1:49:19.760 What did I learned? 1:49:19.920 --> 1:49:21.920 They're like, nope, I just watched it. 1:49:21.600 --> 1:49:24.880 It was a fifty one year old woman who declared 1:49:24.920 --> 1:49:28.839 herself as obsessed with the film and she saw Elizabeth 1:49:28.880 --> 1:49:31.639 Bennett as a feminist icon. 1:49:32.280 --> 1:49:35.560 Okay, she's right, and that's literally gonna be me somedays, 1:49:35.520 --> 1:49:37.920 so I can't even criticize. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna 1:49:37.960 --> 1:49:39.759 do something two hundred and seventy eight times. 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:43.240 I mean I watched Titanic basically two hundred and seventy 1:49:43.320 --> 1:49:47.360 times a year. So yes, just a couple things I 1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:49.880 really enjoyed about the movie. I loved the scene where 1:49:49.920 --> 1:49:53.320 Elizabeth is dancing at the ball at Bingley's estate and 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:58.200 she's carrying on several different conversations, one with mister Collins 1:49:58.280 --> 1:50:00.400 and then I think one with Jane. And because of 1:50:00.400 --> 1:50:03.000 like how dancing was back then, you could only talk 1:50:03.040 --> 1:50:05.640 to someone for like three seconds before you then like 1:50:05.960 --> 1:50:07.000 stepped away from them. 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:07.960 Yeah, I just like. 1:50:08.040 --> 1:50:10.799 Loved the choreography and like loved the dialogue in that scene. 1:50:11.479 --> 1:50:14.800 The choreography of this movie is amazing, the camera choreography, 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:18.799 the physical court Like it's also I'm gonna see Sarah 1:50:18.840 --> 1:50:20.920 noh god damn it. I'm excited. 1:50:21.880 --> 1:50:22.000 Uh. 1:50:22.439 --> 1:50:26.519 Kiera Knightley is doing really good face acting. Her facial 1:50:26.560 --> 1:50:29.360 expressions are doing so much work in the movie. I 1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:31.960 love it. I love the scene where the women are 1:50:32.000 --> 1:50:35.160 all like lounging around the house very just like leisurely 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:38.160 kind of sloppy missus Bennett has like a half eaten 1:50:38.200 --> 1:50:40.280 plate of food on her lap, and then they see 1:50:40.320 --> 1:50:42.320 Bingley and Darcy walking up, so they have this like 1:50:42.479 --> 1:50:45.920 mad scramble and then cut to them like very poised 1:50:46.360 --> 1:50:50.680 and proper to receive guests. But I just like love 1:50:50.720 --> 1:50:53.640 that because it's like, wow, women back then were just 1:50:53.680 --> 1:50:54.160 like us. 1:50:55.400 --> 1:50:57.719 And I also love that, like this is a rare 1:50:58.120 --> 1:51:00.160 I mean, this is maybe like a weird thing to 1:51:00.200 --> 1:51:02.840 make notice, But like Kiera Knightley is the age of 1:51:02.840 --> 1:51:05.840 the character in this week, Oh yeah, she like Lizzie. 1:51:05.880 --> 1:51:08.360 I feel like that's a very rare dig good movies. 1:51:08.400 --> 1:51:11.200 And I always use the example of like CW teenagers, 1:51:11.240 --> 1:51:14.640 where like I could play a CW teenager and I 1:51:14.720 --> 1:51:18.559 am almost thirty so and that's been like the case forever. 1:51:19.240 --> 1:51:22.160 But like Kiera Knightley is, like I think most people 1:51:22.240 --> 1:51:25.479 are like cast pretty age appropriate in this uh in 1:51:25.520 --> 1:51:28.400 this movie. And so you do feel like, especially when 1:51:28.439 --> 1:51:32.479 it's like Jenna Alone, you're like, yeah, genial alone. I 1:51:32.520 --> 1:51:35.360 mean actually jenaal Alone is older than Kiera Knightley. Believe 1:51:35.360 --> 1:51:37.960 it or not, what I think, let me double check. 1:51:38.120 --> 1:51:40.240 I think that Kura Nightley may be the youngest and 1:51:40.360 --> 1:51:42.560 the cast question. 1:51:42.320 --> 1:51:44.320 Mark, well even younger than Kerrie Mulligan. 1:51:44.680 --> 1:51:47.960 She and Kerry Mulligan are the exact same age. Whoa 1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:50.760 and then Rasamund Pike. How old is Rasmund Pike? Yeah, 1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:54.400 Rasamund Pike is older than them, it doesn't matter. Sorry, 1:51:54.479 --> 1:51:56.639 continue it, but yeah, like I just thought it was Yeah, 1:51:56.680 --> 1:52:00.599 she married like Kiera Knightley to Lulailey and Harry Mulligan. 1:52:00.600 --> 1:52:03.080 We're all the same age even though they're different ages. 1:52:03.160 --> 1:52:07.880 Well, speaking of Mary and my Justice for Mary Bennett section, again, 1:52:08.240 --> 1:52:11.280 the book mostly ignores her to the point where as 1:52:11.280 --> 1:52:14.200 I was reading it, I was like, who's Mary? And 1:52:14.240 --> 1:52:17.040 then I thought that there were only four Bennett sisters 1:52:17.080 --> 1:52:19.600 for a large chunk of it. But I feel like 1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:22.920 in the movie she's like given a little bit more 1:52:23.600 --> 1:52:26.720 time and attention. I love the scene where she's like, 1:52:27.040 --> 1:52:31.240 bells are silly. If we're gonna get acquainted to each other, 1:52:31.880 --> 1:52:34.360 how would anyone do that by dancing? Shouldn't you talk 1:52:34.400 --> 1:52:36.759 to a person to get to know them? And everyone's 1:52:36.840 --> 1:52:41.519 just like, shut up, Mary, But she's right. I just 1:52:41.640 --> 1:52:44.439 like her a lot, and I wish her all the best. 1:52:44.640 --> 1:52:47.320 I think she's great, and I feel like the movie, 1:52:47.479 --> 1:52:50.599 even more so than the book, knows that she's great 1:52:50.720 --> 1:52:52.840 and her character is like fleshed out a little more. 1:52:53.000 --> 1:52:55.400 I like to think down the line that like Mary 1:52:55.479 --> 1:52:58.920 really found someone, whether it was in marriage or friendship, 1:52:58.960 --> 1:53:01.679 who like got her. Yeah, I hope she did, because 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:03.880 it seemed like there wasn't anyone in her family who 1:53:03.960 --> 1:53:06.759 like in the way that like Lizzie and Jane really 1:53:06.840 --> 1:53:08.840 got each other, and the way that like Lydia and 1:53:08.920 --> 1:53:11.120 Kitty for a lot of their relationship really got each other. 1:53:11.160 --> 1:53:13.120 I feel like Mary was the album out. I hope 1:53:13.160 --> 1:53:16.880 she found someone that really understood her. She deserved that. 1:53:17.120 --> 1:53:19.920 Yeah, but uh yeah, that's really all I had. Did 1:53:19.920 --> 1:53:20.679 you have anything else? 1:53:21.400 --> 1:53:24.360 No, that's basically all I had. I just I truly, 1:53:24.439 --> 1:53:27.360 I mean I without getting personal. I feel like this 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:32.280 this story. I rediscovered this story at a very nice time, 1:53:32.520 --> 1:53:36.840 and that, like Lizzie, no matter when you're coming back 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:40.559 to her, there's lessons to be learned from the Gospel 1:53:40.600 --> 1:53:45.160 of Lizzie Bennett. She is incredible and I really like 1:53:45.280 --> 1:53:50.040 that she and Jane and the story very happy like 1:53:50.760 --> 1:53:54.000 and with you know, and it is in the conventional way, 1:53:54.200 --> 1:53:56.679 but I feel like the way that Jane Austen writes, 1:53:56.720 --> 1:53:59.679 in the way that this story in the adaptation plays out, 1:54:00.080 --> 1:54:02.880 it feels earned and you want these characters to find 1:54:03.520 --> 1:54:06.519 their bliss in the way that they could in this time, 1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:08.680 and it seems like they do and that. 1:54:08.680 --> 1:54:11.599 Makes me happy in a way that again that like 1:54:11.920 --> 1:54:15.760 enemies to lovers trope never really works for me. And 1:54:15.840 --> 1:54:19.160 as yeah, you know Nora Efron or no was it 1:54:19.200 --> 1:54:22.920 her sister pointed out, like that never happens in real life, 1:54:22.960 --> 1:54:25.000 where people start out hating each other and then they 1:54:25.000 --> 1:54:27.719 fall in love, but that is a big movie thing. 1:54:28.320 --> 1:54:32.360 I feel like this is maybe the one narrative where 1:54:32.440 --> 1:54:35.760 I can get behind that because it certainly didn't work 1:54:35.800 --> 1:54:40.400 for me. And You've Got Mail or I mean a similar. 1:54:40.160 --> 1:54:42.600 Thing for most of the time, right because yeah, like 1:54:42.600 --> 1:54:45.120 we were saying, it's unrealistic, but like in this one, 1:54:45.200 --> 1:54:48.520 it's so it starts with the broad trope, but it 1:54:49.400 --> 1:54:52.960 attacks the broad trope with such subtlety. And also just 1:54:53.040 --> 1:54:55.840 like time, like, I feel like a part of the 1:54:55.880 --> 1:54:59.040 reason that You've Got Male doesn't work. There's a lot 1:54:59.040 --> 1:55:01.480 of reasons, but like one of the reasons it doesn't 1:55:01.480 --> 1:55:04.560 work is because it all happened so quickly, and like 1:55:05.080 --> 1:55:08.440 pride and prejudice, It's like Darcy and Elizabeth don't talk 1:55:08.480 --> 1:55:12.240 for months at a time as they continue to work 1:55:12.280 --> 1:55:15.480 on themselves, which I feel like is honestly like kind 1:55:15.520 --> 1:55:18.320 of harder for modern stories where it's so easy to 1:55:18.400 --> 1:55:21.200 keep tabs on each other, and like the idea of 1:55:21.280 --> 1:55:23.920 like truly not knowing what someone else is up to 1:55:24.000 --> 1:55:27.560 for months is kind of inconceivable if you're remotely interested 1:55:27.600 --> 1:55:30.400 in who they are or what they do. But like 1:55:30.560 --> 1:55:33.240 this was a time where it's like, yeah, Lizzie didn't 1:55:33.280 --> 1:55:35.680 know what Darcy was up to while she continued to 1:55:35.800 --> 1:55:40.280 experience life and like overcome her pride, prides and prejudices 1:55:41.200 --> 1:55:44.720 independent of him, and vice versa. And then it would 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:48.760 be like they would reconnect every several months and be like, oh, 1:55:48.800 --> 1:55:51.680 I'm growing, but it's still not time. And then they 1:55:51.720 --> 1:55:56.080 would reconnect. I'd be like, oh, you've improved, I've improved. Interesting, 1:55:56.240 --> 1:55:59.120 and like, I don't know, I feel like that's for me. 1:55:59.240 --> 1:56:02.360 That's why it works. It's because it is like gradual, 1:56:03.040 --> 1:56:05.960 and the issues that they have outside of their lives 1:56:06.080 --> 1:56:08.440 is interconnected because of the circles they run in but 1:56:08.520 --> 1:56:12.880 it's like they're both on their own sort of stories. 1:56:12.920 --> 1:56:15.520 They're both dealing with their own shit, and it's when 1:56:15.560 --> 1:56:18.160 they reconnect and kind of regroup and they're like, Okay, 1:56:18.280 --> 1:56:21.000 I've improved in this way, but I still suck in 1:56:21.040 --> 1:56:23.160 this way. And then the other person's like, okay, well 1:56:23.520 --> 1:56:25.960 I still have this pride in this prejudice, but I 1:56:26.000 --> 1:56:28.640 got rid of this pride and this prejudice. And they're like, okay, 1:56:28.720 --> 1:56:32.240 let's regroup in September or like whatever, you know. I 1:56:32.360 --> 1:56:36.080 just it feels very true to like, I just okay. 1:56:36.840 --> 1:56:36.960 Uh. 1:56:37.440 --> 1:56:38.920 Does this pass the Bectel test? Yes? 1:56:39.080 --> 1:56:43.240 Yes. Although so much of the movie is women, Actually, 1:56:43.280 --> 1:56:47.240 when are there conversations that past? Because so many of 1:56:47.240 --> 1:56:50.800 the conversations between women where women do interact a lot 1:56:51.320 --> 1:56:54.080 in the movie, but it seems like they're always talking 1:56:54.080 --> 1:56:58.120 about men, if not directly, like that's the subtext of 1:56:58.200 --> 1:56:58.880 the conversation. 1:56:59.600 --> 1:57:04.720 I was getting exchanges, not full conversations, but exchanges do pass. 1:57:04.840 --> 1:57:08.919 Okay, As far as our nipple scales, your to five nipples. 1:57:08.920 --> 1:57:14.320 Based on how the movie affairs from an intersectional feminist lens, 1:57:15.440 --> 1:57:20.920 I'll give this four nipples. It's a nice story. I 1:57:20.960 --> 1:57:22.720 really liked this movie. I was not expecting to like 1:57:22.760 --> 1:57:25.440 this movie as much as I did, especially because. 1:57:25.280 --> 1:57:27.280 Like so happy when I found out you liked it, 1:57:27.280 --> 1:57:29.680 because I was like, there's hope. If Caitlin likes it, 1:57:29.760 --> 1:57:31.760 I'm gonna love rewatching it. 1:57:32.160 --> 1:57:35.520 I think it's a really well made movie. I get 1:57:35.520 --> 1:57:37.960 why people love it so much. It does make me 1:57:37.960 --> 1:57:41.600 want to see Sarah No. Yeah, Yeah, let's do it. 1:57:41.840 --> 1:57:44.560 Let's see Sarah No together. Oh. I would be so 1:57:44.600 --> 1:57:47.000 excited to see Sarah No with you. Let's do it, 1:57:47.080 --> 1:57:48.640 Dane Glitch dang. 1:57:49.880 --> 1:57:53.040 And it makes me want to watch the BBC mini 1:57:53.120 --> 1:57:58.480 series anyway for Nipples, because even though I think mister 1:57:58.560 --> 1:58:00.480 Darcy still has a lot of work to do on 1:58:00.600 --> 1:58:05.120 himself with all of his prides and prejudices. I love 1:58:05.240 --> 1:58:08.000 Elizabeth Bennett as a character. I do think she's a 1:58:08.000 --> 1:58:11.000 feminist icon. I think it's cool that you can call 1:58:11.160 --> 1:58:13.960 a character from a book that's over two hundred years 1:58:13.960 --> 1:58:18.120 old a feminist icon. And I think this adaptation leans 1:58:18.160 --> 1:58:22.640 into that aspect of her character in really satisfying ways. 1:58:23.400 --> 1:58:26.960 And yes, it is a very nineteenth century version of 1:58:27.720 --> 1:58:32.080 feminism that's very white and very hetero and very middle 1:58:32.120 --> 1:58:38.200 class and maybe four nipples is too high, but damn it, 1:58:38.200 --> 1:58:43.080 it's just a really good movie, so it gets some 1:58:43.200 --> 1:58:44.400 extra love. 1:58:45.040 --> 1:58:46.360 Who are you giving your nipples too? 1:58:46.520 --> 1:58:50.640 Oh? One nipple to Lizzie Bennett. I'm gonna give one 1:58:51.160 --> 1:58:58.360 to Mary Bennett. One to the servant woman who I 1:58:58.360 --> 1:59:00.240 think is given a name, but I for I to 1:59:00.240 --> 1:59:03.160 write it down, and she does have a name, Betsy 1:59:03.320 --> 1:59:05.320 or something like that, And I'm going to give my 1:59:05.360 --> 1:59:09.400 final nipple to Around the nineteen minute mark, there is 1:59:09.440 --> 1:59:14.840 a very weird shot of a pig's testicles. 1:59:15.120 --> 1:59:17.240 Yes, I was wondering if that was going to come back, 1:59:17.240 --> 1:59:19.520 but it's just missus Bennett looking at the pigs testicle 1:59:19.600 --> 1:59:22.720 and then she kind of smiles, and they were like, what. 1:59:22.640 --> 1:59:23.880 Why is this in the movie? 1:59:24.080 --> 1:59:27.800 Is that symbolism? And like, is my brain not making 1:59:27.840 --> 1:59:31.160 the connection that I'm like, fertility. I'm like, what is it? 1:59:31.160 --> 1:59:33.840 What are you trying to tell me? I don't know. 1:59:34.800 --> 1:59:38.760 Anyway, So I love the very gratuitous random shot of 1:59:38.960 --> 1:59:41.320 a pig's giant ballsack. 1:59:41.960 --> 1:59:44.520 Femina's icon pigs ballsack, got it. 1:59:44.440 --> 1:59:48.200 And that's what gets my fourth and final nipple. Jamie's 1:59:48.320 --> 1:59:48.960 how about. 1:59:48.680 --> 1:59:52.000 You, I'll meet you at four For many of the 1:59:52.040 --> 1:59:56.160 same reasons. I think that this movie is so well done. 1:59:56.440 --> 1:59:58.600 I love like I feel like it's so rare that 1:59:58.600 --> 2:00:04.560 you're like, this adaptation makes the story both faithful to 2:00:04.760 --> 2:00:08.280 the source material and more accessible in a way that 2:00:08.680 --> 2:00:11.120 certainly hit for me when I was twelve, where I 2:00:11.280 --> 2:00:12.920 had tried to read the book and I was like, 2:00:12.960 --> 2:00:14.840 I totally get it. And then I remember going to 2:00:14.840 --> 2:00:16.960 see the movie and being like, oh, now I actually 2:00:16.960 --> 2:00:19.720 get it because it's laid out so clearly and it 2:00:19.760 --> 2:00:22.800 but also in a way that doesn't sacrifice the themes 2:00:22.880 --> 2:00:25.400 or the characters. It just like pulls it into focus. 2:00:25.440 --> 2:00:28.920 It makes it more streamlined and beautiful, Like Joe wright 2:00:29.040 --> 2:00:33.840 movies are so beautiful. And I also just want to 2:00:34.480 --> 2:00:37.880 acknowledge the behind the scenes stuff here, you know, huge 2:00:38.000 --> 2:00:42.720 ups to screenwriter Deborah Mogok who started as a novelist. 2:00:42.840 --> 2:00:45.240 This was her first screenplay. It was nominated for a 2:00:45.280 --> 2:00:48.040 bath to huge stuff. I mean, there's still it is 2:00:48.160 --> 2:00:50.960 still mostly white guys behind the scenes. We've got Joe 2:00:50.960 --> 2:00:55.280 Wright directing, all male producers, male cinematographer. So I do 2:00:55.360 --> 2:00:59.360 want to like specifically focus on the screenwriter who was 2:00:59.360 --> 2:01:00.480 a first time Green writer. 2:01:00.800 --> 2:01:04.760 Also, Emma Thompson helped with some of the story development 2:01:04.920 --> 2:01:07.400 and dialogue, but is uncredited. 2:01:07.560 --> 2:01:10.120 Emma Thompson is not given enough credit for the fact 2:01:10.160 --> 2:01:13.160 that she's also a very accomplished writer. I know enough 2:01:13.280 --> 2:01:19.080 she is. And also in terms of the writer Deborah Mogux, 2:01:19.120 --> 2:01:21.480 she's also I mean, she just like has a cool 2:01:21.760 --> 2:01:26.080 life in general. She's been a huge advocate for changing 2:01:26.120 --> 2:01:29.800 the law in dignity and death and assisted suicide and 2:01:29.880 --> 2:01:34.120 just like all of this really complicated, like cool advocacy work. 2:01:34.200 --> 2:01:36.680 Like she's just a really cool person. So I wanted 2:01:36.680 --> 2:01:40.760 to shout her out. And Lizzie Bennett, I mean, I 2:01:40.800 --> 2:01:44.080 truly like, there are few there's so I mean, thankfully, 2:01:44.160 --> 2:01:46.880 in the interceding two hundred years, there's been a lot 2:01:46.880 --> 2:01:49.800 of great feminist characters who's been writing, but like Lizzie 2:01:49.800 --> 2:01:53.400 Bennett endures for a reason. She's fucking awesome. There's, like 2:01:53.400 --> 2:01:55.400 we were talking about, there's still things that Lizzie Bennett's 2:01:55.440 --> 2:01:57.960 able to do and advocating for herself and her family 2:01:58.000 --> 2:02:00.640 and her loved ones that like it's hard for me 2:02:00.720 --> 2:02:03.200 to do in the day to day and it's a 2:02:03.240 --> 2:02:08.280 struggle out there. It's really like life affirming to be like, 2:02:08.400 --> 2:02:11.360 well it worked off for a Lizzie right like. Anyways, 2:02:12.160 --> 2:02:14.360 I love this story, I love this movie. I was 2:02:14.440 --> 2:02:18.120 so refreshed and relieved to revisit it and find it 2:02:18.160 --> 2:02:21.760 to have just as many moments that really stuck with 2:02:21.800 --> 2:02:23.880 me as it did when I saw it when I 2:02:23.920 --> 2:02:27.280 was twelve. So I'll give it four nipples. I'm gonna 2:02:27.280 --> 2:02:29.560 give one to Lizzie. 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