1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome to a Combine conversation here on the Colts 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Audio Network. I'm Matt Taylor. The twenty twenty five NFL Combine. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: It's in full swing and here at colts dot Com 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: with the Colts Audio Network, We've already talks with a 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: slew of guests here on Radio Row, NFL draft insiders, 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: NFL analysts, and we'll continue to do so all week 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: long here at the Combine in Town for the thirty 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: eighth year. The Combine runs through the weekend, and we're 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: giving you some of the best conversations here that we've 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: had with football guests around the NFL. And today a 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: visit with NFL Network's lead Draft analyst, Daniel Jeremiah, who 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: will talk about the top prospects in the upcoming draft 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: and what he thinks about the Colts and what they 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: might be up to with the fourteenth overall pick coming 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: up in late April. We're also going to visit with 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: NFL ESPN insider Dan Graziano. He sat down with us 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: here at the Combine to discuss the current state of 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: the Colts and Anthony Richardson here in this offseason, and 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: some big NFL items around the league. And what he's 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: here about the future of the combine in Indianapolis. So 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: we begin with JJ Stangovitz chatting with Daniel Jeremiah, one 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: of the most authoritative voices on the draft here at 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: the Combine. 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 2: I'm jjstakov It's here at the NFL Combine with Daniel 25 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: Jeremiah from NFL dot Com, NFL Network and the Move 26 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: the Sticks Podcast. Daniel, Thanks for taking the time here. 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: Let's jump right into it. 28 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 3: Let's come. 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: You put out your top fifty prospects recently. You had 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: your mock draft two point zero. In that mock draft, 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: you had the Colts taking Missouri offensive lineman armand Membu 32 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: with the fourteenth overall pick, without kind of getting into 33 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: in the specifics of why you had the Colts taking him. 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: How do you view mock drafts like right now in 35 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: the calendar where it's still pre free agency, teams are 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: still kind of cross checking their information. So are they 37 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: more of like a thought exercise or a hey, I 38 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: think this is going to happen in April? 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: Now I think this is exactly what's going to happen, 40 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 4: you know, thirty two for thirty two before we have 41 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 4: free agency, before we know who you lost and who 42 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: you signed. 43 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 5: I just find tremendous value. 44 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: No, look, it's to me, it's just you, and it's 45 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 4: a thought exercise, and it's you know, Okay, if this 46 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: goes down this road, then what are the you know, 47 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: dominoes that could fall after that? And you know, I 48 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 4: think there's there's there's I believe there's value in it. 49 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 4: As we get through free agency and you're you're a team, 50 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 4: you know, you can look what's in front of you 51 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 4: and say, okay, these are some of the needs they have. 52 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: If we were to you know, want to target a 53 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 4: specific player and they have a glaring need, now we 54 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 4: know we need to move or there's you know, this 55 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 4: is our need. We know there's nobody right behind us. 56 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 4: It's going to be you know, going in that direction, 57 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 4: we can slide back. So I think there's value in 58 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: understanding what teams are looking for and who they could 59 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 4: identify to fill those needs. I think there's value at 60 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 4: that point in time, the pre free agency stuff. And 61 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: it's a fun exercise. 62 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 63 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: Well, if you put your GM head on and you're 64 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: thinking about this Colts team and what this team needs 65 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: to take that next step in twenty twenty five to 66 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: try to win the division for the first time since 67 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. What's maybe the most important thing do you 68 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: think this Colts team has to accomplish over the next 69 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: two months. 70 00:02:59,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 5: Wow? 71 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: I think help the quarterback, you know, would probably be 72 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: up there towards the top. I know, defensively there's holes 73 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: and you know, impact that needs to be had and 74 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 4: upgrading some pieces there, particularly in the secondary. But look, 75 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: this Colts team is going to go as far as 76 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: the quarterback play is going to take him. So that's 77 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 4: trying to find ways to help him out. Whether that's 78 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: what the offensive line. I love the idea of, you know, 79 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 4: a big time tight end to throw into the mix 80 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: there with them, give them a little difference maker to 81 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: compliment some of the other pieces that they have. But 82 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 4: that's especially you know in the AFC and that conference, 83 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: with all these quarterbacks and these offenses that you have 84 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: to go through, you've got to find a way to 85 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: get your your quarterback playing at a higher level. 86 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: So who among that group then it's kind of a 87 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: broad thing about how can. 88 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 5: You support the quarterback? 89 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: Who among that group should Colts fans have their eye 90 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: on this week during the NFL combine during the stuff 91 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: that we get to see. 92 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 5: In terms of the testing, well, I think. 93 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: You start those two tight ends, you know, in the 94 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 4: first round with Warren, I think you're going to see 95 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: him if provided he tests, I think it's gonna be 96 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: better than people think. He's so big and almost kind 97 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: of lumbering that I think people mistake that for saying, oh, 98 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: he can't run, when in fact you watch he's gobbling 99 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: up to five yards every two strides. He can just 100 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 4: stride it out. He's running away from people. You see 101 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 4: him carry the football. What he does in that regard 102 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: shows you what kind of athlete he is. So him 103 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: with Colston Lovlin, who's a little more you know, polish 104 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: as a route runner, you know, more in and out stuff, 105 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 4: you know, pivot routes and option routes, those things you'll 106 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 4: see him working if he again, fingers crossed that we 107 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: see these guys go out there and work out. 108 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 5: Those would be two to two fun guys to follow. 109 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: Tight Ends have kind of gotten a little smaller over 110 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: the years where offenses are kind of emphasizing speed and passing. 111 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: But this year, with the NFL starting to maybe lurch 112 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: back toward he got to be able to run the football. 113 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: Is that why tight end, which I believe Tyler Warren 114 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: would fit that bill, is that becoming a little bit 115 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: more important then It's always been important, but maybe just 116 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: taking a little added importance in how teams are constructing 117 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: their rosters. 118 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great question. 119 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 4: But if you look at defensively, you know kind of 120 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 4: the shell coverage everybody's playing, let's limit explosives. It started 121 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 4: with the Chiefs offense with Tyreek Hill in those years 122 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 4: and how dynamic they were, and people say, well, well, well 123 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 4: we can't sudden death is not the way to go. Well, 124 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 4: you've got to have a slow bleed here. So we're 125 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 4: gonna play these two high safeties. We're gonna play shell coverage, 126 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: keep the ball in front of you, limit explosives. And 127 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 4: so now teams have combatd that with Okay, we're gonna 128 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 4: beef up, we're gonna get some more size, and we're 129 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: gonna hammer you with the run game because you're one. 130 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 5: Light in the box. So having a wide tight end. 131 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 4: I always joke that every tight end is popular in 132 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: either the quarterbacks room or the running backs room. When 133 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 4: you find one who can be popular and well loved 134 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 4: in both of those rooms, you've got something. And to me, 135 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 4: that's like Warren at a Penn State. He's somebody Your 136 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: running back's going to love running behind him because he 137 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: can maul people on the edge, and your quarterback is 138 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: going to like the fact that he's got a roving 139 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: billboard going down the seam. 140 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: The impact of NIL in the transfer portal, I kind 141 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 2: of want to get your thoughts on this because I 142 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: get the precipitous drop off of underclassmen declaring. I think 143 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: it was the lowest number was ninety nine in the 144 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: four years before NIL became a thing, and then this 145 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: year I think it was at seventy three underclassmen declared. 146 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: Are how is that impacting the draft and the readiness 147 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: of prospects to hop into the NFL immediately. If you're 148 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: getting more experienced players entering the draft, I. 149 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 5: Think it's great. I think it helps. 150 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of twenty four to twenty 151 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 4: five year olds in this draft, and as there has 152 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: been the last few years, and people can you know, 153 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 4: people can nitpick and say, okay, well yeah, but on 154 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 4: the second contract, and I'm like, dude, you don't know 155 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: how general managers think. General managers are worried about next 156 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 4: year and the year after and trying to get a 157 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: contract extension for themselves to kind of keep this train moving. 158 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: If I get four or five, you know, quality years 159 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: out of a draft pick. 160 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 5: That's a good pick. 161 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 4: And these guys you can't develop in the NFL with 162 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 4: with the limits on practice time and time on the field. Man, 163 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: you can have the best coaches in the world, you 164 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 4: don't have the time to develop them. So those guys 165 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 4: getting those quality reps and getting developed in college and 166 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 4: arriving ready to roll, I think is a good thing 167 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: and good for the players too because you now have options. 168 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 4: You're not just I got to go to the NFL 169 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: so I can make some money. Even though you're going 170 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 4: to be a fourth round pick. Well, you might make 171 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: more money staying in college, which is going to help 172 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 4: you in the short term. You're also going to get 173 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: the development and the reps that you need to get better. 174 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: Going back to the Colts and you're talking about, Okay, 175 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: you got to build around the quarterback. And Anthony Richardson 176 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: being that guy going into year three. He is a 177 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: guy who didn't have a lot of experience in college. 178 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: He's only thrown. He hasn't thrown four hundred passes yet 179 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: in the NFL. Where do you see his knowing what 180 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: you knew about him as a prospect, and then following 181 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: along what he's done the last two years, Where do 182 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: you see an area of growth that he needs to 183 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: make in twenty twenty five to establish himself as that 184 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: guy the starting quarterback of the Colts in the NFL. 185 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: Just do the easy things, you know, take the easy layups, 186 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: take the easy wins. You know you want to be 187 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: dynamic if you want to be explosive, but at this 188 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 4: point in your development, just the things that are given 189 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: to you and make those consistently. 190 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 5: And that's why I let the tight end, because. 191 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: He's going to give you so many those easy completions 192 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: right over the middle of the field, big targets, first downs, 193 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 4: not touchdowns. Just just take what the defense is presenting 194 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: to you and not try and do too much. We 195 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: can we can grow once you get that level established. 196 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 4: Now we can get creative and do some of the 197 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: other things we want to do. But he hasn't got 198 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: to that point yet. 199 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: How do you look at when you evaluate guys and 200 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: then they enter the NFL and after their rookie year. 201 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: How do you do you look back and do you 202 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: look at Okay, I evaluated this guy in this way 203 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 2: and he went out and did that. And this is 204 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: a specific question about layout tou Lot too. Yeah, he 205 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 2: had four sacks last year. Maybe he wasn't where Jared 206 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: Verse was or Trop Robinson was. But do you how 207 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: do you evaluate like a defensive end after one year 208 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: in the NFL, knowing what you knew about them in 209 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: college and knowing maybe the development curve of that position. 210 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there is patients there. 211 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 4: You know, pass rushers, what you win with in college 212 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: is so different than what you within the NFL. And 213 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 4: to me, I think there is a process of learning 214 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: how you know, how you're gonna how they're gonna play you, 215 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: what they're gonna take away, and then how you can win. 216 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 5: And in the NFL it's. 217 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: A lot more crush, you know, rush where you've got 218 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: to be able to get through someone getting If you're 219 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 4: going to take high side rushes the whole time they're 220 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: gonna climb up and get away from you, the ball 221 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 4: is going to be gone. You've got to find a 222 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: way to win with power through them. You got to 223 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 4: find a way to win on that inside shoulder. So 224 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 4: he's got all the feel for it, he's got all 225 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: the all the ability to do that. I think it's 226 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: just getting a chance to get out there and rep 227 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: it and see it and then know, Okay, this works 228 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: in college, just doesn't work in the NFL. And I 229 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,599 Speaker 4: do think that the realignment in college, you're going to 230 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 4: see the effect of that, you know, two three years 231 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 4: from now, Whereas at his time, for the majority of 232 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 4: his time, he didn't see high quality tackles. 233 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 5: Now when you. 234 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: Look at it at you at usc U, c l A, 235 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 4: those programs getting a chance to play in the Big 236 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 4: ten and seeing more NFL offensive lineman not just one year, 237 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 4: but playing three years of going up against NFL lineman, 238 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 4: you know, okay, this do work against them. 239 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 5: And he got a chance to kind of figure that 240 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 5: out last year. 241 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: That's a really interesting point about the realignment too, where 242 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: we talked about nil and the portal, but also realignment 243 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: where you've got this bloated SEC that bloated Big ten. 244 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: But that helps evaluation to these. 245 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 4: Guns, right, and I would look at realignment in the 246 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: expanded playoff. I don't think that's given enough credit. But 247 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: you want to watch players versus as many quality opponents 248 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: as you can possibly see, especially for offense and defensive linemen. 249 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 4: Because in years past, you're in the Pac twelve, you're 250 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 4: an offensive tackle, you might see two NFL high quality 251 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: edgeressers the whole year. Now you look at the realignment, 252 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 4: you might see four or five during the regular season 253 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 4: in your conference, and if your team's good enough to 254 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: go to the playoffs, you might get two, three, four 255 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: more cracks at seeing equality players. 256 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: All right, Well, last one for you here, Daniel, give 257 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: me one player on the col to you you scouted, 258 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: you evaluated, maybe over the last two three years, who 259 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: you are very interested and very excited to see what 260 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: they can do. Maybe in year two, year three in 261 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: the NFL. 262 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 5: Oh, that's a good question. At Na Mitchell would be 263 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 5: the one. 264 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: Why just because the tools are so loud, like they're 265 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: so impressive, the raw tools, And now I want to 266 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 4: see canadall you know, canadall materialized? 267 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 5: Can it all come together? 268 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: But there's not many guys who have his combination of size, speed, athleticism, 269 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: like he. 270 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 5: Has a lot in his body. 271 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, Daniel Jeremiah from NFL dot Com NFL 272 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: Network and the Move the Sticks Podcast. Thanks for joining us. 273 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 6: For sure it we're here at the twenty twenty five 274 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 6: NFL Combine here in Indianapolis. Joining us now from ESPN. 275 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 6: Dan Grasiano just an outsider looking in. 276 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 5: Dan. 277 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 6: We know the quarterback position with this club, the Colts. Oh, 278 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 6: with Anthony Richardson going into this draft, you're Shane Steike 279 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 6: and you're Chris Ballard. They talked about competition. Do they 280 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 6: address that position early in the NFL Draft? 281 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 7: In your opinion, If you're talking about competition right for 282 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson at this point in his career, I think 283 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 7: you're talking about a veteran from the outside most likely, right, 284 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 7: because if you bring in somebody from the draft, you're 285 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 7: almost sort of pivoting that way, and then that signals 286 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 7: maybe you're given up on Anthony richards And I'm not sure. 287 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 7: Maybe you know differently, I'm not sure they're quite to 288 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 7: that point where they want to give up on him, 289 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 7: So I think they're they're probably talking more about somebody 290 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 7: from the outside in the draft. I mean, you know, 291 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 7: there's so much work that the Colts can do on 292 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 7: the offensive line is going to need reinforcements here over 293 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 7: the next couple of years, obviously on the defensive side. 294 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 7: So yeah, I think I'd be surprised to see them 295 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 7: go quarterback in the draft because that would tell me 296 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 7: something about Anthony Richardson that I don't think is currently 297 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 7: part of their mindset. 298 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 6: And you covered this league a long time, you know 299 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 6: the likes of lou Anarumo, what he did in Cincinnati, 300 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 6: the new defensive coordinator. 301 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 8: Here, what do you like about him? 302 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 7: Well, I think what lou Anarumo showed in Cincinnati, especially 303 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 7: at a high level in some of the biggest games, 304 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 7: is an ability to identify what the opposing offense was 305 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 7: trying to do and kind of adjust to that as 306 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 7: the game went on. And we saw it again in 307 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 7: AFC championship games against the Chiefs. So I think last 308 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 7: year in Cincinnati is unfortunate for lou that. I think 309 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 7: personnel wise, they really fell apart. I mean, Trey Hendrickson 310 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 7: and the bunch of guys that you know probably weren't 311 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 7: good enough to do what he wanted to do. So 312 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 7: I think, you know, if you give him the right personnel, 313 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 7: I don't think he's the kind of coach that needs 314 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 7: like I'm going to find my specific guys and run 315 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 7: my specific skime. I think he has some concepts that 316 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 7: he likes, obviously, but he's also going to be the 317 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 7: guy that identifies what the strengths and weaknesses are of 318 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 7: his players and works around that. 319 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: So I think I think he got a good one there. 320 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, Dan doubling back to Anthony Richardson this offseason, 321 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: he's working out a lot in Jacksonville. He's working with 322 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: Chris hess who's the same guy that worked out with 323 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: Josh Allen when he had his big jump from year 324 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: two to year number three. The Colts are hoping for 325 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: the best in that regard, But what's your level of 326 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: optimism that Richardson can show enough improvement next year to be, 327 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, at a level where he can be the 328 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: starter for this team and take it to a new direction. 329 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 7: I think that's that is a two pronged answer, because 330 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 7: first part, you have to address health. He hasn't been 331 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 7: able to keep himself on the field, and that's I 332 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 7: think that's limited obviously his development, and I think it's 333 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 7: limited your ability to get a real evaluation of it. 334 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 7: So how do you formulate a level of optimism when 335 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 7: you really haven't seen the samples in terms of you know, 336 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 7: football plays and games that you want to see from 337 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 7: him at this point. So I think when you go 338 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 7: back a couple of years to when he was drafted, 339 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 7: the team felt like he's got a play and then 340 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 7: unfortunately he has the injury early in his rookie season, 341 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 7: and I think that that set him back a lot. 342 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 7: So I think you can maintain whatever level of optimism 343 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 7: you may have ever had based on his talent, based 344 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 7: on his ability, based on you know, what we know 345 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 7: about his character and all that, but it's time to 346 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 7: see it, right, Like, it's not what you need this 347 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 7: year is to start to see some consistent performance that 348 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 7: justifies your optimism. And I think if you don't see 349 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 7: that this year, then you have to start thinking about, well, 350 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 7: is this the right answer is this? 351 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: Do we need to think about something different? 352 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: That's Dan Grasiano speaking of seeing things. I mean, as 353 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, guys that are drafted in the first round 354 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: year number three. After that you can do fifth year options. 355 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: It's the first off season in which you have to 356 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: make financial decisions on guys, especially at that position. So 357 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a make or break year for 358 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. But it feels very very important in terms 359 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: of what you need to see based on what you 360 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: need to know to make decisions. 361 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: Going forward, one hundred percent. You need more data. 362 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 7: I mean, you need to see more performance from Anthony 363 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 7: Richardson before you make those kinds of decisions. This time 364 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 7: next year, he'll be eligible for an extension. They'll have 365 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 7: to be deciding on a fifth year option, as you mentioned, 366 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 7: so pivotal point in a quarterback's career and in a 367 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 7: franchise is life. To be able to make those decisions. 368 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 7: We've seen it go both ways, you know. I go 369 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 7: back a couple of years when the Giants declined Daniel 370 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 7: Jones fifth year option after his third year, and then 371 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 7: they ended up giving him a big contract because year 372 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 7: four went well and that wasn't necessarily the way to go. 373 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 7: So yeah, I think you need you need Anthony Richardson 374 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 7: to be on the field performing at a consistent level 375 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 7: where you can get an evaluation of who he really 376 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 7: is and what he is going forward. I know Chris 377 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 7: Ballard and we've heard him talk about it, you know, 378 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 7: how he's you know Anthony Richardson, you know kind of 379 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 7: comes from almost like a non traditional background in terms 380 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 7: of some of these other high end quarterbacks that go 381 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 7: high in the draft, and how you know, maybe comes 382 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 7: in as a more raw prospect than some of them. 383 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 7: But you know that's all well and good, but you know, 384 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 7: you don't have an unlimited amount of time just based 385 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 7: on as you mentioned, the way these contracts work. 386 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 6: Dan Graziano from ESPN kind of an off combine question. 387 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 8: But you've talked with a lot of head coaches through 388 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 8: the years. 389 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 6: We see the new faces back for able Pete Carroll 390 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 6: this year, Dan, what, in your opinion, professional opinion, what's 391 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 6: that common denominator that the good ones have that are 392 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 6: successful here? 393 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 8: And I'm also going to bring in like a guy 394 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 8: like Siriani. 395 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been doing it for four years, he's got 396 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 6: two Super Bowl appearances one one of them. 397 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 8: So what is that thing that makes a good head 398 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 8: coach in this league? 399 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 7: Which you saw this cycle right when you saw Pete 400 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 7: Carroll come back in, Mike Rabil come back in. You 401 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 7: see I think you know, people always say it's a 402 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 7: copycat league. So for years it's like everybody wants to 403 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 7: hire the hot offensive coordinator, figure out ways to score points. 404 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 7: But I think when you looked at what happened this 405 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 7: year in the league, you look at Detroit and what 406 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 7: Dan Campbell has put together, you look at Washington and 407 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 7: what Dan Quinn did in a very short period of time, 408 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 7: Teams are looking for these culture setter, tone setter, head 409 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 7: coach types. 410 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: Not necessarily. 411 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 7: I mean, great, if you can call the offense and 412 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 7: call plays and all, if you're a play calling genius, awesome, 413 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 7: But I think what teams really look at around the 414 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 7: league right now is like, we need somebody who can 415 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 7: kind of establish and articulate and maintain the vision for 416 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 7: the organization, get the players to buy in, get the 417 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 7: fans to buy it, and you know what I mean, 418 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 7: like the whole almost like a CEO type. And I 419 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 7: think that's what brings back Pete Carroll after a year 420 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 7: off because people see that and go, oh, yeah, he's 421 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 7: a head coach. I don't have to guess, like I 422 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 7: don't you know, Ben Johnson might be a great head coach. 423 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 7: Nobody knows, right, So you know, Mike Rabel was a 424 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 7: successful head coach in Tennessee. So the Patriots feel good 425 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 7: about that as opposed to taking a shot on somebody. 426 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: So I think that's what happened. 427 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 7: You see a couple of these situations around the league 428 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 7: where teams are thriving with that kind of coach in place. 429 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 7: You know, Dan Campbell was not like an offensive court right, Like, 430 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 7: he's a head coach and he's kind of a culture 431 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 7: setter type. So I think teams are trying to find 432 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 7: a piece of that. 433 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: It's Dan Graziano with us from ESPN ESPN dot com. 434 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: Going back to this draft, the Giants kind of seemed 435 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: to be the team that is a domino. 436 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 8: What are they going to do a quarterback? 437 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: They're sitting there third overall, how do you see how 438 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: they're assessing their franchise quarterback now that they moved on 439 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: from Daniel Jones. 440 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 7: I think they're, you know, based on everything we're hearing, 441 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 7: they're a team that's that's in the mix if the 442 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 7: Rams and Matthew Stafford can't get something figured out, right, So, 443 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 7: if you're the Giants and you feel that way, and 444 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 7: if you've had the opportunity to talk to Stafford and 445 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 7: his agent and you know what it would take and 446 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 7: all that kind of stuff, you're kind of waiting for 447 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 7: resolution on that situation. If that doesn't go your way, 448 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 7: you're picking third. Do you like one of these quarterbacks? 449 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 7: Do you have to move up a spot or two 450 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 7: to get the one you like? If not, what are 451 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 7: your veteran options? 452 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: You know? 453 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 3: Do you look at is Atlantic gonna. 454 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 7: End up cutting Kirk Cousins and does that makes sense 455 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 7: for you as a team that's you know, people are like, well, 456 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 7: the Giants aren't ready to win now, like, why would 457 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 7: they go get a veteran? They need to win something 458 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 7: like they need to win more than three games, right, 459 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 7: Like people are going to start getting fired over there. 460 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 7: So I think that that you're looking at, you know, 461 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 7: a team that is not would they love to find 462 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 7: their quarterback of the future, and this year's draft, one 463 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 7: hundred percent who wouldn't. But I think if that's not there, 464 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 7: or if they're not sure it's there, they feel like 465 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 7: we need somebody who can elevate us to a level 466 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 7: of competitiveness, a level of respectability that we haven't attained 467 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 7: here in recent years. So I think that's why you 468 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 7: see them poking around on some of these veterans. 469 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: You know, another New York quarterback or in this case, 470 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: a former New York quarterback, and Aaron Rodgers is his 471 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: career over? 472 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 473 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 7: I think there's gonna be opportunities for him. I just 474 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 7: don't know you know clearly where those emerge, right, Like, 475 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 7: is he you know, would would the Colts? Like, is 476 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 7: that a veteran that you would bring in if you're 477 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 7: trying to win games now and you're not sure about 478 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson? 479 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: And if you do that, what is that? 480 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 7: What is that gonna Is that gonna offer you the 481 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 7: opportunity to see Anthony Richardson this year? You know, are 482 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 7: the Titans picking first? Like are they not sold on 483 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 7: these guys or do they need to win games? And 484 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 7: can they build around, you know, a veteran quarterback in 485 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 7: the short term and then you know, pivot to a 486 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 7: younger guy a longer term answer. So if the Rams 487 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 7: move Stafford, does he make sense there? So I think 488 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 7: he's a guy that needs to let the market kind 489 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 7: of sort itself out a little bit first and see 490 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 7: where his landing spots are, because I'm not sure he's 491 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 7: I'm not sure at age forty one and coming off 492 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 7: the two years he had with the Jets that anyone 493 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 7: is like, that's our plan a right so I think 494 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 7: he needs to be patient and again, and we also 495 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 7: need to say we don't know for a fact he 496 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 7: wants to keep playing. 497 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 3: He hasn't come out and said that. Indications seem to be. 498 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 7: But I'm sure he'll appear on McAfee at some point 499 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 7: in the coming weeks and let us all know. So 500 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 7: once he does that, then I think we'll have a 501 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 7: better sense of who's interested and at what level. 502 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 6: NFL Insider from ESPN Dan grausiown, finally, Dan, Travis Hunter 503 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 6: tell me, is he gonna be catching passes this year 504 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 6: or defending passes this year? 505 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 3: I think, okay, fair enough. 506 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 7: I think teams probably see him as a full time 507 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 7: defensive back that they can probably mix in at wide 508 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 7: receiver in certain spots. And that's maybe that's not all 509 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 7: thirty two teams, but that seems to be the sense 510 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 7: of it. I just think the more you talk to 511 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 7: people about Travis Hunter, the more you hear like just 512 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 7: one of the best football players we've ever seen coming 513 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 7: out in the Like people are very excited about this player. 514 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 7: And I think if you're a smart organization, yes, you 515 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 7: have an idea what you want him to do when 516 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 7: you draft him, but you're also open to maybe maybe 517 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 7: he's a little better at XYZ than we thought he was. 518 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: Let's let's pivot that way a little. 519 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 8: Bit, no doubt about that. 520 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: Final one from me, Dan again Dan Graziano from ESPN 521 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: with us you love coming to Indianapolis. I know you 522 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of affinity for the city and this event. 523 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: The combine, I think we can all agree Indianapolis does 524 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: it pretty well because of how the city is mapped 525 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: out geographically. What is the future of this event from 526 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: a business standpoint? What's the future of this event in 527 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: terms of how the NFL could potentially monetize it more 528 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: by potentially moving it to a different location. 529 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 530 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 7: I think first of all, there's the La possibility because 531 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 7: the NFL has, you know, a lot of it's headquarters 532 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 7: out there now with the network and then the Rams 533 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 7: and Charger Stadium, So I think that's been talked about 534 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 7: a lot. We've all heard that. And then there's also 535 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 7: the possibility they do what they do with the Draft, 536 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 7: where they kind of move it around, right and different 537 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 7: cities get to be involved and put it on and 538 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 7: kind of bid for it. 539 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 3: I think on some level of the league would like 540 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: to do that. 541 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 7: But to their credit, they've listened to the pushback from 542 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 7: their football people, right the coaches and the medical people 543 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 7: and everybody that the hey, it's this is the right 544 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 7: place to have it. 545 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: I don't know how long. 546 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 7: They'll be able to hold that off, but I hope 547 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 7: that they do, because you're you're absolutely right. For me, 548 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 7: it's it's just a gold mine of just you know, 549 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 7: running into all kinds of people all week at all 550 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 7: these different places in town. And if they moved it 551 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 7: to Los Angeles like then for me personally, as somebody 552 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 7: who's not here just to evaluate the draft prospects, but 553 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 7: to kind of engage in the annual convention, you'd have 554 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 7: to think about is it worth going? So yeah, I 555 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 7: think I think I'm hoping it holds on for a while. 556 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 8: Dan Graziano from ESPN, We're lucky to have you. Thank you, sir, 557 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 8: I appreciate it. 558 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. 559 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: That's Dan Grasiano from ESPN and ESPN dot Com here 560 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: at the Combine. Thanks to him and also NFL Draft 561 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: Insider from the NFL Network Daniel Jeremiah. Check him out 562 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: on the Move the Sticks podcast as well and on 563 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: X at Move the Sticks We've got conversations and plenty 564 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: coming up here here at the Combine all week long. 565 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: We're scheduled to talk with folks like Mark Ross and 566 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: Charles Davis, Cynthia Freeland, Lance Zerline from the NFL Network, 567 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: Eric at Holme from NFL dot Com is. 568 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: Scheduled to join us. 569 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: Matt Miller, draft analyst from ESPN. We'll sit down with us, 570 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: Jordan Reid as well from ESPN, Solomon Wilcotts, Jim Miller 571 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: from Sirius X sim Our scheduled to hot buy as well. 572 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: So we are loaded, and we will have AFC South 573 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: roundtable discussions from the Combine as well with some voices 574 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: around the division. And that's it for this first installment 575 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: of the Combine Conversations. 576 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: I'm Matt Taylor. 577 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on the Colts 578 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: Audio Network.