1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast, 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartMedia, Tenderfoot TV, or 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: their employees. This podcast also contains subject matter which may 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: It was a beautiful day in June nineteen ninety five 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: in the East of Belgium. Eight year old Julie Lejeane 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: arrived at her classmate Melissa's house at around three pm 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: to practice their end of school year dance routine. The 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: girls were best of friends and excited about the upcoming 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: summer break and beautiful weather. After practice, they convinced Melissa's 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: mom to let them walk to the overpass just down 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: the street to wave at the cars below. It sounds 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: like a strange activity for eight year olds, but Melissa 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: was used to doing this with her brother. She must 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: have been excited to show her best friend Julie how 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: fun it was to get honks and waved from the 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: cars racing by below. But something evil was lurking near 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: the bridge that day. Julie and Melissa crossed its path 20 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: and then disappeared. It was as if they simply vanished 21 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: in broad daylight from one minute to the next, from 22 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: the time they were last seen by witnesses near the 23 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: bridge to the moment Melissa's mother started looking for them, 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: they were only unaccounted for for about fifteen minutes. Unfortunately, 25 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: in that small window of time, they were taken from 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: that beautiful day into a very dark place. 27 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: A psychopath is somebody who understands emotions. 28 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: And I told them it is a very exceptional that 29 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 4: somebody abducts two children at the same time. 30 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: Should have been the. 31 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 5: Yell of it in nineteen eighty six, but my god, 32 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 5: it was just a beginning. 33 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days. 34 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to La monstre. I'm your host, Matt Graves. In 35 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: the summer of nineteen ninety five, I moved to Belgium 36 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: and I've lived here ever since. I'll never forget the 37 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: fear and chaos unleashed that summer, and repercussions and questions 38 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: that still reverberate to this day. It all started right 39 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: here on this bridge. On June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five, 40 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: a local man explains that eight year olds Julie Lejehn 41 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: and Melissa Russo lived less than five hundred meters away. 42 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: This bridge is ground zero for one of the darkest 43 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: chapters in the history of this country. Over twenty five 44 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: years ago, our story began. A story of abomination, incompetence, 45 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: and conspiracy that led to the demise of the entire 46 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: institution of Belgian Federal Police and rattled the foundations of 47 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: its government. A story about a man whose accomplices, both 48 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: known and unknown, are walking freely in the world today, 49 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: a man so wicked that he simply become known as 50 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: La Monstre. Shortly after Julie Lejehn and Melissa Rousseau went missing, 51 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: Melissa's mother, Karine Russeau, explained the disappearance in an interview. 52 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: It's in French, so these are her words, read in 53 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: English by an interpreter. 54 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 6: I got on my bike and decided to go meet 55 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 6: them so we could finish the walk altogether. And I 56 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 6: rode down to the bridge and back and didn't see them, 57 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 6: And then took the same route back and forth three times, 58 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 6: and I still didn't see them. 59 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: Around this time, Julie's mother arrived to pick up her daughter. 60 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 7: I arrived around six o'clock by car with my son. 61 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 7: When I got there, missus Strussel was on the lawn 62 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 7: getting over her bike. 63 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: She came straight over and explained she. 64 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 7: Had let the girls take us twelve for thirty minutes, 65 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 7: but she couldn't find them. She had already made their 66 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 7: wrong trip to the bridge three times looking for Julian Melissa, 67 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 7: and she was worried because she couldn't find them, So 68 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 7: we decided to go looking for them by car. We 69 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 7: searched the route they were supposed to take, as well 70 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 7: as other three. It's near where other friends lived, just 71 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 7: in case the last track of time. 72 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: At this point, both mothers were getting worried, so they 73 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: decided to call the police and ask for help. Melissa's 74 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: mother explained. 75 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 6: It was about six forty five and the girls were 76 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 6: only forty five minutes late, but we were already very worried, 77 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 6: worried enough to call the police. I'd say the police 78 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 6: arrived within about fifteen minutes. They asked us some basic questions. 79 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 6: I'm not sure how long that lasted. 80 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: Julie's mother chimed. 81 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 7: In fifteen or twenty minutes. I think they asked us 82 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 7: for pictures of the girls and we gave them the 83 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 7: ones we had at the time. I admit that at 84 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 7: one point at night I had some very bad thoughts 85 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 7: that maybe they'd been picked up by a bad person 86 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 7: would kill them, and that would find them somewhere nearby. 87 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: Everyone in the neighborhood was shocked about the disappearance. A 88 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: neighbor saw them that day from her window. She explained 89 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: that she saw them walking in the direction of the bridge, 90 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 2: and that they seemed calm and normal. A young couple 91 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: walking back from that bridge were the last people to 92 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: see them prior to their abduction. 93 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 8: Was it. 94 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: They explained that they had passed by two girls who 95 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: were walking in the direction of the bridge. The girl 96 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: said hello and were smiling. The couple said hello back 97 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: and kept walking. Julie and Melissa's parents did everything right 98 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: when their girls disappeared, just like every kidnapping story you've 99 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: ever heard. The police didn't immediately file a missing person's report, 100 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: but the parents knew that time was of the essence, 101 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: and they immediately contacted an association that helps locate missing children. 102 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: Things moved quickly, and a massive missing person's poster campaign 103 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: got underway. I distinctly remember these posters on the left 104 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: was a smiling Melissa in a red jumper, her soft 105 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: features and big brown eyes, smiling and acute grin. Julie's 106 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: also smiling, with her hair pulled back by a headband, 107 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: surely to show off her new little stud earrings. These 108 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: pictures are burned into the brains of almost anyone who 109 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: lived through these times in Belgium. When I first saw them, 110 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: I was in my mid twenties, far removed from the 111 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: worries of parenthood. When I look at them now, as 112 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: a middle aged man with two girls of my own, 113 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking. If I try to put myself in the 114 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: parent's shoes, the feeling is unbearable. The rush of anxiety 115 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: is so dark and deep that I can't stand to 116 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: hold the thought more than a few seconds. I can't 117 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: imagine living with that feeling day after day without being 118 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: able to escape it. I think it's something that only 119 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: the parents of a missing child can really understand. Shortly 120 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: after the abduction, Melissa's mother appeared on the news with 121 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: a message for her. 122 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: Daughter, Melissa. 123 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 6: I'm here for you. Everyone's here for you at home. 124 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 6: I don't know if there's something you can do to 125 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 6: come home, whether you can do something or not. I 126 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 6: don't know, but we're here, my love, waiting for you. 127 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 6: We're doing everything everything we can do to find you. 128 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: The tireless work of Julian Melissa's family started to generate publicity, 129 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: and national news channels cover the disappearance. Several volunteers helped 130 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: them search all of the field nearby and anywhere else 131 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: the girls could have possibly gone. When no trace was found, 132 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: the parents became convinced they'd been kidnapped. On one hand, 133 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: they were happy not to have found their bodies, but 134 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: a sinking sense of dread began to set in. They 135 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: were absolutely convinced that Julie and Melissa were alive, and 136 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: they refused to give up searching. 137 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 8: This is a message to the kidnappers. We are still 138 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 8: without any news of our girls, Julie and Melissa, for 139 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 8: two weeks now. We've been waiting in anxiety. We can 140 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 8: no longer take this situation. Whoever you are and wherever 141 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 8: you are, we beg you for the return of our children. 142 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 8: Please send us proof that they are alive and okay. 143 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: Telephone lea. 144 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 2: Investigators in Liege received their first interesting tip. Seventy one 145 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: year old Mary Louise Henrote lived close to the bridge 146 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: where Julian Melissa disappeared. Marie Louise lived a quiet, elderly 147 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: existence and didn't read newspapers or watch TV. She was 148 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: a creature of habit who followed the same routine every day. 149 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: June twenty fourth was a beautiful day for her usual routine. 150 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: She climbed the stairs to her room at around four 151 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: pm before going to bed. At around six pm. She 152 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: liked to sit by the window for an hour or so, 153 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: taking in the end of her day. From the window, 154 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: Marie Louise can see the highway as well as the 155 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: side roads in an open field. At around five pm, 156 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: she said she saw two girls walking along a small 157 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: access road leading to the bridge. Apart from the cars 158 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 2: racing down the highway, there's not much to see, so 159 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: she watched the girls as they walked by, going towards 160 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: the bridge. As she sat up to close the curtains, 161 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: she noticed a dark colored car pulled over on the 162 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: right hand side of the road next to the girls. 163 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: A man got out of the car and opened one 164 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: of the back doors. The girls got into the car. 165 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: There didn't appear to be a struggle, and she assumed 166 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: the girls knew the driver. He was a normal looking 167 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: man with thick dark hair wearing black pants. She wasn't 168 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 2: a car buff but settled on it possibly being at 169 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 2: push O two to five when inspectors helped her narrow 170 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: down the possibilities. Other leads trickled in about different sightings. 171 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: A man reported seeing two girls on the bridge as 172 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: he drove under them on his motorcycle on June twenty fourth, 173 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: after five pm. He also recalled seeing a red car 174 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: stopped in the emergency lane near the bridge. He remembered 175 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: it because he was in the right lane and had 176 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: swerved leftward to keep a safe distance. Four other separate 177 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: witnesses reported seeing a red car stopped on the side 178 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: of the highway near the bridge on June twenty fourth. 179 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: Some of them thought it was a Ford Fiesta. Two 180 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: of these witnesses also reported seeing a van further along 181 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: in the emergency lane. One of them was a doctor 182 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: from Liege who sent a letter to police saying he'd 183 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: seen a red car and a van stopped in the 184 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: emergency lane near the bridge. He had slowed down for 185 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: safety and noticed the van had French license plates and 186 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: the red car had Belgian plates. And even remembered the 187 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: first three letters of the Belgian license plate as n 188 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: k V or envy K. Finally, a woman in Liege 189 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: who lived roughly six miles from where Julian Melissa disappeared, 190 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: reported an attempted kidnapping of her daughter and friend, ages 191 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 2: seven and eight earlier. On the same day that Julian 192 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: Melissa disappeared. She contacted police and reported that at approximately 193 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: twelve fifteen p m. On June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five, 194 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: a man dressed in a blue and green striped shirt 195 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: and dark trousers tried to tempt the girls into his 196 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: car with candy. One of the girls testified that he 197 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: had one hand on the steering wheel and in the 198 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: other hand he held a handkerchief that seemed to be 199 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: moist and gave off a weird smell. Luckily, the mother 200 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: spotted what was going on and ran over to intervene. 201 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: When the man saw her, he hit the gas and 202 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: his tires screeched as he accelerated away. She formally identified 203 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: the vehicle as a red Ford Fiesta. She reported this 204 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: to police two days later on the following Monday. Here's 205 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: what she said in an affidavit these are her words, 206 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: not her voice. 207 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 9: Earlier in the year, in both March and May, a 208 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 9: man driving a red car offered to take the girls 209 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 9: for a ride. On June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five, 210 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 9: at noon, the girls were playing outside. I saw my 211 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 9: daughter moving away from the car. It was a red 212 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 9: Ford fiesta. I saw that my daughter was afraid. I 213 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 9: got closer and saw that my daughter's friend, Diana, was 214 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 9: sitting in the passenger seat of the car. I literally 215 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 9: ripped her out of the car. The driver tried to 216 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 9: keep her from getting out, and then took off. I 217 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 9: got a good look at he looked to be around 218 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 9: one meter seventy tall, five foot eight, thin, with short, 219 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 9: dark hair parted on the right, brown eyes, wearing a 220 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 9: blue and green striped shirt with dark trousers. 221 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: I tried to reach the woman who made this statement, 222 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: but couldn't find her. I did, however, track down one 223 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: of the girls, Diana. She didn't want to speak with 224 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: me directly, but we had a series of texts and 225 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: she confirmed that this actually did happen. Overall, six separate 226 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: leads came in about the day that Julian Melissa disappeared. 227 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: There was an elderly woman who claimed that she saw 228 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: the girls get into what looked like a dark colored 229 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: Pugeau on the access road next to the highway. Four 230 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: different witnesses reported seeing a red car parked in the 231 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: emergency lane on the side of the highway around the 232 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: time of the disappearance, and another woman claimed that a 233 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: man in a red car on two occasions tried to 234 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: abduct her, her daughter, and her daughter's friend just six 235 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: miles away from the bridge where the girls went missing. 236 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: Shortly after the disappearance, a criminologist named Karine houts About 237 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: created a description of the profile of the suspect she 238 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: believed Plice should be looking for. Karine studied victimology and 239 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: psychopathology in Paris and at the Washington College of Law 240 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: in DC, and she participated in the profiling program at 241 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: FBI headquarters in Quantico. She's a criminal profiling expert who 242 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: works directly with victims, judicial authorities, and perpetrators all over 243 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: the world. My co producer Thomas and I drove to 244 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: her house on the outskirts of Ghent to meet her. 245 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: So we're walking to Korene's house and this is a 246 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: really cute little place. It's kind of a medieval cobblestone village, 247 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: barely even fit a car in this road. The roughly 248 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: one hour drive from Brussels, we arrive at a charming 249 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: little village where Karine works. She's got a moat. Wow, 250 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: so we're crossing a little moat bridge. It's a peaceful 251 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: little haven nestled into the Flemish countryside. It looks like 252 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 2: something you'd see in a Brugal or Rembrandt painting. This 253 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: is beautiful. Hello, Hello, KARMI. 254 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: Nice to meet you. Meet. 255 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: Karine is warm and welcoming, but underneath that warmth you 256 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: can sense a warrior. She spent her life fighting for 257 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: the rights of abused and confronting dangerous predators head on. 258 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: After some pleasant small talk, we settled into a quaint 259 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: room with a wood burning furnace and I asked her 260 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: some questions about the disappearances of Julie and Melissa. 261 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: It was June nineteen ninety five. 262 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 4: I was in the United States at that moment in Washington, 263 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: DC because I had practice placement at the FBI National 264 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 4: Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Now, while I was there, 265 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: I started having faxes. 266 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: At the time, it wear faxes. 267 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 4: We're talking about twenty five years ago asking my help 268 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 4: because two little girls disappeared in Grassolonna in Belgium. 269 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: You'll hear the name Grassolonia quite a bit in the story. 270 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: It's the name of the municipality in Liege where the 271 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: girls disappeared. 272 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 4: It were Julie and Melissa. There was the twenty fourth 273 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 4: of June. Then I think it was somewhere in July. 274 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 4: I was back in Belgium and I was approached by 275 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: a detective, which in the United States is quite normal 276 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 4: to have a private detective, which in Europe is really 277 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 4: They find this ridiculous. 278 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: He said, well, listen, you have to help these parents. 279 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 4: It is two weeks now, the children are missing and 280 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 4: nothing is happening. 281 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: Private detectives are rarely a welcome site for police investigators. 282 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: In the nineties in Europe, they were nowhere near as 283 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: common as they are today. So when Karin and a 284 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: detective showed up in Barcelonia to investigate the crime scene, 285 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 2: police were less than thrilled to see them. They started 286 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: by going to the bridge and then Karen asked the 287 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: detective to bring her to the closest exit. 288 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 4: I then asked him, okay, if he comes from there 289 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 4: he saw the children. Where can he get off the highway? 290 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 4: So we searched for that first, and it was very nearby. 291 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 4: And then he could come back, pick up the children 292 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 4: and drive again, you know, by the bridge going over 293 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 4: the highway. He could just take them away. It could 294 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: go easily. Then I saw that the weeds were cut, which. 295 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: Was not the case. 296 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: She's talking about wheat fields around the area. By the 297 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: time she visited the scene in mid July, the wheat 298 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: was cut, but she surmised that it wouldn't have yet 299 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: been cut on the twenty fourth of June, making it 300 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: hard to see two small girls from one of the 301 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: side roads. 302 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 4: But from there you could not see these children because 303 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: the wheats were too high. So I said, okay, he 304 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 4: saund them from the highway. And on a highway you're 305 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: not on foot or. 306 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: With your bicycle. So he has a car. 307 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 4: If he has a car, he has more tendency to 308 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 4: a methodical type. 309 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: Karine explained that there are two types of kidnapper profiles, 310 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: the methodical type, someone who premeditates his crimes, versus the 311 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: impulsive type, who acts on the spur of the moment. 312 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: In this case, she was convinced they were dealing with 313 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: a methodical profile. 314 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 4: And then we went to the parents and there Geen 315 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 4: Darmerie was already waiting for me inside, very very hostile. 316 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: You know, I can't believe the I mean, so when 317 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: you showed up. 318 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 2: You showed up at Julian Melissa's yes of Melissa. 319 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 4: Melissa and the mother of Julie was there, and Gino 320 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 4: Rissau was there too. 321 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: He was very very nervous. 322 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: Gino Rousseau is Melissa's father. 323 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: He was really upset. 324 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 4: And I said to these two policemen, I said, I 325 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 4: saw people going in and out the room of Melissa, 326 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 4: and I said, did you preserve DNA from Melissa? 327 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: They hadn't preserved the DNA. It had been more than 328 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: two weeks since the disappearance, and parents were getting frustrated 329 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: by the lack of urgency from the Jean Dear Marie, 330 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: which is the name of the Belgian Federal police. Karin 331 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: tried to offer the police some advice. 332 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 4: I said, you need to take some hair from a 333 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 4: hair brush, or you know, a swimming suit or something. 334 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 4: And then I said you have to look for somebody 335 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 4: who has been in prison for abduction. 336 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: Torture and sequestration. 337 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: And this policeman told me listen to missus Hutzbel. We 338 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 4: are not in the United States here, you know. Then 339 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 4: I said, okay, I'm going. So I wanted to leave. 340 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 4: I've had it with these people. 341 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: The situation was getting tense at the Rousseau house. Melissa's father, Gino, 342 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: was becoming increasingly angry with police. 343 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: And then Gino he threw his car piece on the 344 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: table and he said get out, get out, and he 345 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 4: throwed the two policemen out. 346 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: Gino Rousseau later testified that police had warned him that 347 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: Karen Whot's about was some sort of quote witch in 348 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: training and that he shouldn't listen to her. 349 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: And I could understand this disarrayed these people, two little 350 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 4: girls of eight years of age, and they were doing 351 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: nothing at all, So I understand them. I calmed them 352 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 4: down and I told them it is very exceptional that 353 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: somebody abducts two children at the same time. Eighty seven 354 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 4: percent of this kind of crimes are pre planned because 355 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 4: this is a methodical type, and methodical types organized on beforehand. 356 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 4: Where are they going to get rid of the children? 357 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 4: They're victims? And if you don't find the killer, you 358 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: won't find the victims. 359 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: After the police left, Karen stayed with the parents. She 360 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: had some advice. She said that they should appeal to 361 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: the Ministry of Justice and ask that a multidisciplinary team 362 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: of crime experts be put on the case. The parents 363 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 2: followed up and the ministry agreed. At the time, the 364 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: Minister of Justice was Stefan de Clerk. He agreed to 365 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 2: assign an investigation unit to the case, what Karen refers 366 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: to in this interview as a cell. 367 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 4: The cleric sent me two officers of the Gendarmerie Major 368 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 4: de Krana, and I helped them for two days to 369 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: put together a cell to help these investigations. Now he's 370 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 4: afraid of me because he knows what I'm saying is right. 371 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 4: He was the most stupid man I've ever seen in 372 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 4: my life, and he's the head of the cell. Right 373 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 4: And later on when the case explode that I heard 374 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 4: that there were five people in this cell structure, from 375 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 4: whom three were. 376 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 3: Not even aware they were in it. 377 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: Okay, so they made they made they made a missing 378 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: child unit to help find the disappeared girls and other cases. 379 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: But they didn't really know what they were doing. It 380 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: sounds like and the guy who was heading it up 381 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: wasn't You didn't think it was very. 382 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: No, and it was not it that is desert thing. 383 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 4: After years you realize that they didn't have the intention 384 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 4: to look for children. It just took peace the population. 385 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 4: But we have all That was the argument I had 386 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: with my husband all the time. We paid the police 387 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 4: to do that, okay, but they don't do it. 388 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: I already had the child uh Gevre Kavas in eighty six. 389 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: She's referring to a case in the mid eighties where 390 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: a young boy disappeared in broad daylight on his way 391 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: to play soccer with his brother. The boys family and victims' 392 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 2: advocates were highly critical of the lack of follow up 393 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 2: from police. 394 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: Six years old disappears in the middle of Brussels, is 395 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: still missing. And I had a friend who was at 396 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 4: the jam DARMERI and I asked him, what are you 397 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: doing to find this child back? 398 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: And he said, we are waiting. 399 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 4: I said, waiting for what stop the world from turning? 400 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 4: You have to find a job where we're waiting for 401 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 4: people who give us some clues. A six year old 402 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: little boy. I couldn't stand, so, you know, I thought, 403 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 4: this is another empty box. Now after twenty five years, 404 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: you can see that it's all trembling down. And what 405 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 4: I said twenty five to thirty years ago is true. 406 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 4: They give us the impression it's so there. They have 407 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 4: no training, they are not interested, they don't give a shit. 408 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 4: Excuse me the expression if your child is gone. 409 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: Karine is seething at the memories of this time. She's 410 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: a fierce woman who says exactly what she thinks right 411 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: to your face. The Belgian Federal Police or Jean Darmerie, 412 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: was founded in eighteen thirty, but it wasn't until nineteen 413 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 2: ninety two that they had their first female officer. They 414 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: wore special uniforms and carried themselves with an air of authority. 415 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure these officers didn't appreciate Karne's second guessing their 416 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: work without pulling any punches. In the end, the profile 417 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: established for the possible kidnapper was quite detailed. It said 418 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: that they should be looking for a white French speaking 419 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: male between the age of thirty five and forty five, 420 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: with a rap sheet of sexual offenses on miners, having 421 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: already spent time in prison, with a history of violent behavior, 422 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 2: with a psychiatric file, probably married with children, and of 423 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: above average intelligence. Belgium is a small country that had 424 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: a total population of around ten million people at the time. 425 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: You can roughly cut that by about sixty percent if 426 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: you're focusing on French speaking suspects, as the majority of 427 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: the country is Flemish speaking, So if you think about it, 428 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: we're talking about a pool roughly the size of a 429 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: large US city like Houston or Chicago. When you start 430 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 2: to further narrow it down by gender, age, and previous 431 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: convictions for sexual offenses on miners, it narrowed very quickly. 432 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: With this relatively small suspect pool, Locating the kidnapper of 433 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: Julian Melissa shouldn't have been an impossible task unless something 434 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 2: else was at play. No one knew it at the time, 435 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: but the disappearances of Julie Lejehanne and Melissa Russo marked 436 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: the beginning of a series of disappearances that would completely 437 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: upend the country. This season on the Monstra with the 438 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: investigation plagued by accusations of incompetence, high level corruption and 439 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: cover ups, thousands would pour into the streets from massive 440 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: protests across the country, demanding answers from a government that 441 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: failed to protect its most vulnerable. 442 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 9: This basement and the crimes committed here have made this 443 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 9: house notorious. Every Belgium knows about Mark the True's Chamber 444 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 9: of horrors. 445 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 5: He was a guy, known criminal who's been convicted of 446 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 5: raping and kidnapping children, and he somehow gets sort of 447 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 5: prison early. What happened after he got out of prison 448 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 5: is just beyond belief. 449 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: We'll hear from key players from the center of the 450 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: investigation who agreed to be interviewed. 451 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 5: I still remember driving home every evening and asking myself 452 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 5: are we followed or not? 453 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: But still I slept with my gun on my pillow 454 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: every night. 455 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 5: Really, could you ask the witness if maybe he is 456 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 5: scared of somebody? 457 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: Is he maybe afraid of making statement? Because this gentleman 458 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: is watching what he is. 459 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: A and an astonishing witness who have ended the investigation. 460 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: I remember it like it's a film in my head. 461 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 4: I can close my eyes and see every little details 462 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: of that house. 463 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: Where she was murdered. 464 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: And we'll hear from people who didn't want to speak. 465 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: Explicated gues. 466 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: To join us on this journey. Take a second right 467 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: now to follow or subscribe in your podcast app to 468 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: get the latest updates and new episodes. 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