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Speaker 1: Welcome to popp and Packs. The segment where I opened

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Speaker 1: an old pack of basketball cards with a person from

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Speaker 1: the NBA industry.

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is Nate Jones.

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Speaker 1: Nate grew up in Los Angeles in the eighties and

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Speaker 1: nineties and was a huge Lakers fan, but now as

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Speaker 1: a professional, he spends his time representing players such as

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Speaker 1: Damian Lillard and Jalen Brown. Sit back and enjoy as

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Speaker 1: we open a pack of ninety five ninety six fleers.

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Speaker 1: Here it comes, connecting, connecting, connecting.

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Speaker 2: There he is Nate Jones.

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Speaker 3: What up? How a man going on? How you doing good?

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Speaker 2: Good? Thanks for joining me today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on. I like the sheds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, thank you man.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to try to be stylish out here in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: you know how it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: N I'm glad you joined me, especially for this one

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Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong, But you grew up

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and you were a Lakers fan as

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Speaker 1: a kid, Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Diehard Lakers fan.

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Speaker 5: Shick her and Magic Johnson or what got me into

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Speaker 5: the sport and the love of the sport and between

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Speaker 5: his calls and Magic's electricity playing That's what got me

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Speaker 5: hyped on it. And being a basketball junkie watching the game,

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Speaker 5: playing the game, and now working in the business of

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Speaker 5: the sport at all is derived from that seed.

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Speaker 1: So were you still I mean, you know, a die

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Speaker 1: had Lakers fan, would you call yourself?

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Speaker 5: I honestly, I had to give that up. I'll give

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Speaker 5: you a short story two thousand. I want to say

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Speaker 5: this is two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine

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Speaker 5: season when I first started this job. Our largest client

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Speaker 5: was Dwight Howard back when he was a big time superstar.

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Speaker 5: Gets to the finals versus the Lakers. I mean, at

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Speaker 5: that point, where's my fandom going. Yeah, So that was

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Speaker 5: the first conflict.

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Speaker 3: And then the next.

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Speaker 5: Year they played the Thunder in the first round and we, uh,

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Speaker 5: we represented Kevin Durant, so I'm obviously pulling for the

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Speaker 5: Thunder in that moment. And then they got to the

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Speaker 5: finals and they played the Celtics and we represented Nate Robinson,

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Speaker 5: who had a couple of big games in that series. So,

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Speaker 5: like my all of my allegiance that two years just

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Speaker 5: had to kind of woke me up to the idea

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Speaker 5: that it's gonna be impossible to care what happened with

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Speaker 5: the Lakers with my business conflicts.

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Speaker 3: You know that that must.

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Speaker 1: Be tough because I know Jaylen brown Is is one

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Speaker 1: of your guys.

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Speaker 2: Right now as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Celtics, you know, I mean they go

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Speaker 1: thick by the hate.

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Speaker 2: But if it was the Celtics and the Lakes in

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Speaker 2: the final.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm pulling for the Celtics in that I'm

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Speaker 5: pulling for I'm pulling for for Jalen, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Dame played the Lakers in the first round.

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Speaker 5: You know, Lakers Lakers fans don't a lot of a

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Speaker 5: lot of them on Twitter don't realize my background and

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Speaker 5: that I was probably a bigger fan than most of

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Speaker 5: them and know more about the team and the history

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Speaker 5: and all of that than most of them.

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Speaker 3: But it is what it is. You have to You

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Speaker 3: have to have your allegiances when you become an adult,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, things change now.

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Speaker 1: Now I've got to ask your question, putting aside all

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Speaker 1: of your work connections and biases here right. I had

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Speaker 1: James Worthy on this a few weeks ago, and I

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Speaker 1: asked him this question. If it was the Clippers versus

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Speaker 1: the Celtics in the finals. Being an LA Lakers fan

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Speaker 1: growing up Clippers and the Celtics, who would you chieve

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Speaker 1: for if that was the finals.

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Speaker 5: Clippers versus Celtics. You know, honestly, I would just want

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Speaker 5: to see a good series. I don't have any allegiance

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Speaker 5: anyone that grew up in LA for There are LA

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Speaker 5: Clippers fans that have been, you know, tied into the Lakers,

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Speaker 5: excuse me, tied into the Lakers their whole lives. I

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Speaker 5: really can't understand why that way, given the way the

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Speaker 5: organization was prior to Steve Bomber acquiring the team.

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Speaker 3: But LA natives, the Lakers are the thread that holds.

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Speaker 5: The city together, right and you know, obviously the tragedy

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Speaker 3: Us all hard because he's He's that connector.

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Speaker 4: The Lakers are that connector, and.

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Speaker 5: The Clippers have never been that They just they just haven't.

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Speaker 5: And I think that they fall into a business because

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Speaker 5: they're in Los Angeles as and metropolis and they have

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Speaker 5: access to you know, it's not hard to get twenty

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Speaker 5: five or twenty to sixteen thousand people to fall into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, when you're when you're in a metropolis.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, right, Well, so, so what happens is, I've got

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Speaker 1: a pack of cars from the ninety five ninety six

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Speaker 1: Fleet season. Okay, that should be right up your alley way,

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Speaker 1: oh man, because because I know you, I know you

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Speaker 1: know nineties basketball inside and out.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I'm hoping hopefully, I'm hopefully my mind

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Speaker 5: is revved up.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, well, we'll see, We'll see how you go here? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: do pretty well. I've got a feeling you do pretty well. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this first guy, we've got eleven cars. By the way,

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Speaker 2: this first guy, so.

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Speaker 1: Ninety five ninety six, I guess he was probably he

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Speaker 1: his second season, and I remember him. He's playing for

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Speaker 1: he's playing for the Sacramento Kings here, but I remember

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Speaker 1: him more on the Portland tild Lizes and the Miami hate.

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Speaker 1: Oh Brian Grant, you go, wow, that's too easy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, of course, of course, of course, Brian Grant.

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Speaker 4: Uh you know that that.

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Speaker 5: Was in the that was he was one of the

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Speaker 5: guys in the first time the Kings busted out those

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Speaker 3: They went from the blue, they went from the blue

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Speaker 1: I think he was actually involved in the shock traite

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Speaker 1: to Miami to Actually wasn't he?

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: He was involved in that.

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Speaker 3: He he was Hold on one second, I'm gonna close this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: sorry about that.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want I didn't want to be all that.

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Speaker 3: Noise coming in.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, uh, in terms of the shock in in

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Speaker 5: Miami trade, yeah, he was. He was a part of

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Speaker 5: the deal because he was he was on a large

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Speaker 5: contract in Miami at that time. So they got Lamar

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Speaker 5: I think they got Lamar odom Koran Butler a first

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He was a big, big, good rebound with Brian Grant,

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Speaker 1: like a big tough almost like an old school guy

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, And I believe he's a.

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Speaker 3: I forget which disease he's battling.

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Speaker 5: But he does a lot of uh fundraising for that

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Speaker 5: and a lot of good community work in.

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Speaker 3: The Portland area as well.

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Speaker 4: I know he's still involved with the team heavily.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this next guy when when people talk about a

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Speaker 1: player who kind of surprised and made one All Star

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Speaker 1: name comes up a lot. I think he made it

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Speaker 1: when he was on the Golden State Warriors, but he

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Speaker 1: his career. Uh wow, Yeah, a bit of a bit

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Speaker 1: of a sort of swingman guy. He rocked the headband

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if you're saying he's I don't think

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Speaker 5: he made it when he was on goal And see,

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Speaker 5: what are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Chris Gadling.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about Chris Gatling. That's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Gatling made it when he was on the

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Speaker 3: Dallas Mavericks.

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Speaker 2: Ah, there you go. Yeah, See that's why I had one.

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Speaker 3: You can add to it.

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Speaker 1: I remember he started his career with the Warriors, but

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Speaker 1: obviously went to the Mavericks and made an All Star game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that his All Star year was

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Speaker 3: with the Mavericks. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: Someone's gonna I'm sure they'll check me and let me know.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety seven, I'm pretty sure was his was the

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Speaker 1: game that he made it anyway, so wherever he was in.

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Speaker 1: All right, this next guy, you definitely should get this

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Speaker 1: one because he's a Laker and he was. He was

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Speaker 1: kind of the point guard for the for the New

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Speaker 2: I think he was drafted in ninety three.

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Speaker 3: I think he and the Nick van Xull.

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Speaker 1: No, no, not Nick van Exll actually then no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: there's another lefty, another lefty like Nick man Exell. But

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Speaker 1: he went to Minnesota. I think he spent a lot

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Speaker 5: Okay, you said you said point guard, so I was

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Speaker 5: so I so I assumed it was one of it

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Speaker 4: But it's Anthony Peeler.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Peeler, that is correct.

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Speaker 5: Shoot shooting, shooting guard. Shick used to refer to him

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Speaker 5: as mister fourth quarter. Yeah, and he had a nice

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Speaker 3: Once Eddie Jones and Nick vanx.

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Speaker 5: Were established in the backcourt, Shack always you know, but

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Speaker 5: you never can tell what Shack is being honest about

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Speaker 5: or not. But he says, oh, man, I had no

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Speaker 5: idea that me taking a little bit extra money caused

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Speaker 5: him to trade Anthony Peeler.

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Speaker 3: I would have taken less if he could have kept

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Speaker 4: That was like the story.

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Speaker 5: That was like the story of the first two seasons

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Speaker 5: he was in l A like I wish I would

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Speaker 5: have known they were they were.

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Speaker 4: Gonna get get rid of Anthony Peeler, but he would

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Speaker 4: have helped the time.

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Speaker 1: He was a pretty solid player in the end. Anthony Peeler.

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Speaker 1: I thought his career like.

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Speaker 2: You know, not not.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he had no star game, but he

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Speaker 1: was a pretty consistent, pretty consistent player for most of it.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, from he was he was.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't ever an all star level player, but but

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Speaker 5: he was.

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Speaker 4: He was a solid career guy.

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Speaker 1: We're we're getting someone telling us here that it was

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Speaker 1: as a Maverick by the way, Chris Gatling.

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Speaker 2: So good call on that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, sir, yes sir.

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Speaker 2: But we got the year right and we got the

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Speaker 2: team right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this next guy was I think he actually became

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Speaker 1: a Lakers assistant probably I don't know, five seven years

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Speaker 2: But this guy was a loudmouth.

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Speaker 1: Sharpshooter, power or small forward, mainly mainly for the Indiana Paces,

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Speaker 1: but then he bounced around a bit as well, went

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Speaker 1: He that series, man, that's honestly one of my favorite

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Larry Bird hit that. Larry Bird hit his chin

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right, because they got killed in

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Speaker 2: But that that sort of really bought into.

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Speaker 5: But ma'am, yeah, I remember Chuck Person celebrating him and

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Speaker 3: I mean that. But that's half. That's half the battle

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Speaker 5: In the past and today. It's that mentality. You know,

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Speaker 5: And I like this format what you're doing because you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is this guy.

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Speaker 1: like a French sounding name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It'svanoid Benjamin. Right.

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Speaker 5: He went, he went from the he went from the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so did you ever call him ben Wir Benjamin?

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 5: I had an advantage because he played in La twice,

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Speaker 5: He was mainly talked about somebody. He was mainly talked

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Speaker 5: he was talked about negatively as someone that had all

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Speaker 5: you hear about big men that are yeah, you're seven

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's kind of like you feel sorry

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Speaker 5: Those guys, those are the ones that usually have a

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Speaker 4: Just a means to an end to make money.

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Speaker 1: I know you like to play bull, but I mean,

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Speaker 2: When was the last time you played pick up?

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Speaker 3: Honestly? Man, I know we played pick up with each other.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy because out here in Atlanta, I mean they

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Speaker 3: The house, for the backyard, just to shooter. It's just

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Speaker 5: Mental release too, Like I really like to go play

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Speaker 4: I'm really like, for.

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Speaker 3: People, everything else. And it's just a place to let loose.

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Speaker 5: At this stat it's this point. I mean, I think

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Speaker 5: That's really when I knew I got hurt when I

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Speaker 3: Don't score, I'm fine.

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Speaker 5: But as long as I've I've given them a tough time,

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Speaker 3: And that last that last run, I was like, Okay.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, when when you when you're playing in like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what.

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Speaker 3: Over the years.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you become a crafty bet, become aropt.

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Speaker 3: The bet I got I got.

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Speaker 4: I got my guy.

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Speaker 5: Alan from over here, and he got a little old

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Speaker 5: I got Paul Pierce game. Yeah that's he. He's like

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Speaker 3: To give him a little work. So I'm glad you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pol piece is a funny one because because I

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Speaker 2: Know, his ability to hit game winns.

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Speaker 2: But uh, I just didn't like it.

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Speaker 1: You know, you just you know, the some players you

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Speaker 2: So uh that's where.

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Speaker 3: I like that. I love.

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Speaker 5: I loved Paul Pierce as a player. I thought he's

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Speaker 5: he just showed you that.

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Speaker 3: I mean they called the Paul Pierce Series.

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Speaker 5: When he's at that bo he's he's at the free

450
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Speaker 5: throw line extended, oh.

451
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's just jab step pull up, you.

452
00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,880
Speaker 5: Know, like everything is out of that that triple threat

453
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,560
Speaker 5: jab step and he's got a million different moves to

454
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,639
Speaker 5: kill you, and you're like, he doesn't even look that fast. Yeah,

455
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,120
Speaker 5: he just has a mastery of all the all all

456
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,040
Speaker 5: the fundamentals.

457
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,560
Speaker 3: But I wish he would just stop being a hater

458
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:54,320
Speaker 3: in media.

459
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,400
Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know.

460
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,399
Speaker 3: That were I know that we're in the uh, I

461
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 3: know that we're in the age of the troll and

462
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 3: and you know, he he's got to take his side

463
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 3: and everything. But man, like you can tell he's he's

464
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,920
Speaker 3: mad that that Lebron and those guys come together and

465
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,480
Speaker 3: uh yeah.

466
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,159
Speaker 5: And took away his took away his potential to win

467
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 5: another championship. Yeah, because they probably would have made the

468
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,960
Speaker 5: finals again if Bron and those.

469
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 3: Guys didn't get together.

470
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Speaker 4: And then yeah, anything that.

471
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 5: Is Miami heat Lebron James related, he's he's feeling a sort.

472
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Speaker 3: Of way about it.

473
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be back with more of popping packs with

474
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 1: Nate Jones right after this.

475
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 2: All right, okay, this next guy.

476
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Speaker 1: So we you know, when you think of trios in

477
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,359
Speaker 1: the early nineties, everyone sort of first thing to run TMC,

478
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 1: but this other team had a trio, but it was

479
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 1: it sort of more started around the mid nineties, so

480
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 1: that this guy, I believe was probably the most hyped

481
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Speaker 1: up and probably the most talented when he when he

482
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Speaker 1: was out.

483
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Speaker 2: I think he was there first too, But he didn't

484
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 2: really state.

485
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 4: He's talking about that.

486
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Speaker 5: He's talking about the Dallas Mavericks. Yes, which which one?

487
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 5: Which one of the three js?

488
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

489
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I said I think he was the

490
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Speaker 1: most the first.

491
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the first of the most talented.

492
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 2: Well, I think he was.

493
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Speaker 1: I think he was there first because he was drafted

494
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Speaker 1: in ninety two.

495
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Speaker 5: I believe, so the first out of the three JS

496
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 5: was Jimmy Jackson.

497
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Speaker 1: That's the one that's set.

498
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Speaker 3: I disagree with you that he was the most talented, though.

499
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Speaker 2: What was he the most hyped up?

500
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 5: Though? Do you think, oh, no, no way, Jason Kidd

501
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 5: was way hyped up. Jason Kidd was in college, was

502
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 5: the man.

503
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, But and.

504
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Speaker 5: I think I think he was the third most talented,

505
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 5: even though I respect his game, I think if he

506
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 5: would have got on a good team and been like

507
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 5: fourth fifth guy, he would have been well, way more

508
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,479
Speaker 5: well known throughout his career. By the time he got

509
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 5: to the Lakers. I think he was a little washed

510
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 5: up at that point. But yeah, no, Jimmy Jackson, Jimmy Jackson,

511
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 5: Jamal Mashburn, and Jason Kidd.

512
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 3: I have it on good I have it on good.

513
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 5: Sources that the rumor of them fighting with each other

514
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 5: over Tony Braxton is false.

515
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: Don't but you know, it's a good story. It's a

516
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 3: good urban rumor, now urban urban legend.

517
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 4: Excuse me.

518
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Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those what could have been though, really, yeah,

519
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: because obviously you know kids in well I was in

520
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame already.

521
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 5: I think he is, uh Ja kids in the Hall

522
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,719
Speaker 5: of Fame. The other two won't make the hall.

523
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Jamal Mashburn was was awesome as well.

524
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, just one of those things that just didn't

525
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: quite work out for those guys. But I remember the

526
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: hype around them anyway, like the three Js, they're gonna

527
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna sort of run the nineties.

528
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Speaker 3: Maybe they could have.

529
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Speaker 4: They could have, they could have.

530
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Speaker 5: I think they were a little early because it's difficult

531
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Speaker 5: to win in that era, especially because it was about

532
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 5: the bigs at that point. You Jordans stood out, but

533
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you had out outside

534
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 5: of the Bulls. I mean, the Bulls had Horace Grant,

535
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 5: and then they had three headed monster. At one point

536
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 5: they had Rodman rebounding and being an enforcer and playing

537
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 5: bigger than he actually was. But outside of them, everything

538
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 5: was about Biggs. If you didn't have a center, if

539
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 5: you didn't have a center or a power forward that

540
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 5: was basically a center, you weren't gonna win. You see,

541
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 5: the teams like the Pacers either or the Knicks and

542
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 5: you had Patrick Ewing, or you were Spurs and you

543
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 5: had David Robinson, or you know, the Rockets with the

544
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 5: La Juan Alonzo, or you were or you were like

545
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 5: the Pacers that had.

546
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Speaker 3: They had Derek McKee was a.

547
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Speaker 5: Six tenths, six tens six eleven small forward who definitely

548
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 5: would have played power forward.

549
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 4: And maybe some center today.

550
00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 5: They had Rick Smith's you know, they had both Antonio

551
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 5: and and Del Davis, so they were they just had

552
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: basically four seven footers, which is which is wild.

553
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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I still remember that two thousand finals,

554
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: the Lakers and the Paces and Dale Davis, you know,

555
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: like his shoulders and his traps were just so big,

556
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: and he basically, I mean he basically jumped all over

557
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: Shack as often as it could. But you know that

558
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: Shaq was in his physical prime then and just guys

559
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: just bounced off him. And you know, it's incredible when

560
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: you look at those teams, how many big guys they

561
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: threw at Shack. But it just didn't matter in the end,

562
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, good, good, solid, tough guys just

563
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: playing in the wrong era in that sense, you know.

564
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: But that's that's the way it goes if you play

565
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: it those times. And you know, like when you think

566
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: about Shaq, just the beating that he took and again

567
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: just completely dominated those guys inside that that series against

568
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Speaker 1: Indiana is is a crazy series.

569
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Speaker 3: It was a yeah, it was competitive.

570
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 4: It was competitive. It for sure was a competitive You had.

571
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Speaker 5: Some Glenn Rice drama in the middle of the series,

572
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Speaker 5: him complaining about not getting touches. I think I think

573
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Speaker 5: his wife. I think his wife at the time became

574
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 5: a news story because she was complaining publicly about it

575
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 5: as well.

576
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Speaker 2: Because he got traded after that season.

577
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Speaker 5: I think the need, yeah he got he was a

578
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 5: part of He was a part of the infamous Patrick

579
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 5: Ewing Horace Grant uh trade that I think it was

580
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 5: a three way deal.

581
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: So you had you had.

582
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: Patrick Ewing go to Seattle.

583
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Horace Grant go from Seattle to the Lakers, and

584
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 5: you had you had, excuse me, you had Glenn.

585
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: Rice go to the go to the Knicks.

586
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

587
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: But Glenn Ross was the third leading score on that

588
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: Lakers team too, I believe.

589
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was. And the funny thing is the

590
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: Lakers had an opportunity. I think.

591
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Speaker 5: I think if Phil Jackson had remained the coach, they

592
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 5: never would have excuse me, not remained the coach, but

593
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 5: had been a coach a year earlier.

594
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Speaker 3: They never would have traded Eddie Jones.

595
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 4: But you know, they couldn't figure it out at that time.

596
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 5: But he would they you know, they wouldn't have needed

597
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: a traditional point guard under his system.

598
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: They would have run.

599
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 5: They would have had Kobe and and Eddie Jones as

600
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Speaker 5: their starting backcourt, which would have been crazy.

601
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: And then they would have filled in at the at.

602
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 5: The small forward spot, and they could have played defense

603
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 5: in the stylity he liked to play. Rice wasn't a

604
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: Phil Jackson player to me because he he wasn't going

605
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 5: to be able to play the versatile defense. He wasn't

606
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 5: really known as a defender. He's a score post guy.

607
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 5: And they made that trade because Shaq was always wanting

608
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 5: someone to play off of him and hit three pointers

609
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 5: off the off of the double team, and Rice at that.

610
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: Point was incredible. I think they got him right right when.

611
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 5: He was reached, right when he was in his prime.

612
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 5: And then after that they decided to move on Jerry Buss.

613
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 5: Jerry Buss didn't want didn't want to acquire, didn't want

614
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 5: to keep contracts on for a long time. I think

615
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 5: they had a chance to get Scottie Pippen too, and

616
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 5: Phil Jackson was, uh, excuse me, he was passionate about

617
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 5: having that happen, and Jerry Buss passed on it too,

618
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 5: just because of the financial aspect of it.

619
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Speaker 1: So yeah, well that's why he just signed that big

620
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: deal after the after the ninety eight Championship, I guess.

621
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Speaker 4: So, yeah, he.

622
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Speaker 5: Went to the right, He went to the Rockets. Yeah,

623
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 5: didn't work out with them, so he was ready to

624
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 5: get traded, and the Blazers got him instead of the Lakers.

625
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: I was really upset.

626
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: About Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well funny this next guy,

627
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: because you just talked about him. I think he started

628
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: his career wearing number twenty five, but then he went

629
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Speaker 1: to number six, Eddie Jones. He was kind of cozy

630
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: for Kobe really, I mean in terms of the highlight

631
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: reels and the you know, the athleticism and the you know,

632
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: like a star for the Lakers. But yeah, ultimately him

633
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: and Kobe thought if I was a lacked a little.

634
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: Bit too, yeah, I would.

635
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 5: I would say Number one, I think he was Kobe's

636
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 5: best friend on the team to start, Like remember an

637
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 5: Inside Stuff episode with ABD and those guys hanging out

638
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 5: and and them going through their routines and all that stuff.

639
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

640
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 5: And then number two, I think that people outside of

641
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 5: Los Angeles don't realize how popular he was. He was

642
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 5: more popular than Kobe when he when Kobe first came

643
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 5: to the Lakers, so.

644
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 3: They chanted the guy's name throughout the game.

645
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 5: It was, you know that the Eddie chance was a thing.

646
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 5: Every time he made it, it made a big play.

647
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 5: He was He was really loved here. He came up

648
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 5: short a couple times in the playoffs and they ended

649
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 5: up they ended up moving him with Elden Campbell for

650
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 5: for Glenn Rice. But man, I could I always wonder

651
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: what that Laker team would have been like if they

652
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 5: could have kept Eddie, especially because Phil's philosophy was different.

653
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 5: If they could have kept Eddie Jones and and Uh

654
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 5: be together.

655
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Speaker 1: He was really popular everywhere he played from what I remember,

656
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, Miami they loved him down there, Charlotte they

657
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: loved him. Even Memphis at the end of his career

658
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: they kind of loved him there too. So you know,

659
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: from what you're saying, just you know, one of those

660
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: fan favorites everywhere he went.

661
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he made I mean highlight plays, and then he

662
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 5: made effort on defense, Like fans really love guys that

663
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 5: that goal balls out on defense, and he was one

664
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 5: of those guys. So you're you're you're gonna, you're gonna

665
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 5: have love when you have hustle plays.

666
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Speaker 3: You know.

667
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the NBA officially accompt but

668
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: on YouTube there is a like a five minute compilation

669
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: of Eddie Jones. Maybe it's Tousel Highlight someone like that,

670
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: who Yeah, and it is one of the best compilations,

671
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, because of the athleticism and the dunks and

672
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: he dunks over Sean Bradley.

673
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: I think he's at one point.

674
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: I still remember that. I still remember.

675
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 5: Watching that game live and yeah, losing his mind him

676
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 5: and Seu Lance. They just they loved Eddie and they

677
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: were going crazy. And then Shack's first year he did

678
00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: the same thing.

679
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: And Milwaukee, I think he took it like he took.

680
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 5: Off almost from the free throw line and on someone

681
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 5: and Ship like we almost lost ship.

682
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: There, like she was so excited about it.

683
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that.

684
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: He was definitely a staple that we all loved in

685
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 5: l A.

686
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: All right.

687
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: This next guy is another guy who I think only

688
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: made one All Star Game, and I think it was

689
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: actually probably ninety seven as well. He was a point

690
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: guard out of Cleveland. The injuries kind of ended his

691
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: career though a bit early. Good playoff. Yeah, actually he's

692
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: numbers one as big as I remember. But uh yeah,

693
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: another just the one time All Star.

694
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean if if you're talking about he was

695
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 5: a good player point guard, played.

696
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: For Cleveland, he probably played for Minnesota.

697
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 5: He probably played for I forget what the other Milwaukee.

698
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, Terrell.

699
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: And he's from Portland, Terrell Brandon.

700
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: Oh there you Gotterrell Brandon.

701
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

702
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 5: Believe he still has a popular barbershop in Portland.

703
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe maybe I'm wrong about that.

704
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good good play, very athletic, very quick, but

705
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: injuries kind of ended up pretty quickly for him, I think, really,

706
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly from being a star player anyway. You know,

707
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: it happens to a lot of guys. But yeah, he

708
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: was pretty electric in his early days.

709
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the sad thing about I mean, and we'll

710
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 5: probably be saying the same thing about our generation or

711
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 5: the current generation in the future. But the sad thing

712
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 5: about guys that played in the nineties. I think if

713
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 5: we had some of the technology and philosophy around volume maintenance.

714
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: And health and wellness.

715
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 5: And sleep and everything else that they try to do

716
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 5: with these guys now, they would have lasted a lot longer.

717
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: But you know, it's what it is, that's right.

718
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: Okay, This next guy, now, this guy is famous because

719
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: he never made an All Star Game, but he's one

720
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: of those guys that people first talk about who should

721
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 1: have made an All Star Game. I think he led

722
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: the league and in assists one year. Started his career.

723
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: Where did he started his creating New York and then

724
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: he went to San Antonio. He's playing for the Blazers here.

725
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Six he played for the Washington Bullets as well.

726
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, it's this.

727
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 5: This is a very easy one as former Kentucky assistant

728
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 5: coach Rod Strickland.

729
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: Make him jump like Rod Strickland. Yeah, godfather is yes, sir, yes, sir.

730
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean when you want that's that's That's funny

731
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 5: that you bring that up though, too, because I've made

732
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 5: that point a few times. When you watch Kyrie and

733
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 5: the way he is around the basket.

734
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: It's a lot like Rod.

735
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

736
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: I don't think Rod had the handles and moves with

737
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 5: the off the bounce that Kyrie has today, but all

738
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 5: those moves around the basket, all those creative layups that

739
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 5: he has left hand, right hand, totally remind me of

740
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 5: Rod Strickland.

741
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

742
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So I didn't really notice that someone, you know,

743
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: someone brought it up. And then you look back at

744
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: old Rod Strickland highlights and yeah, you see those kisses

745
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: off the glass and Kyrie does, and I'm sure he

746
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: watched him and tried to mimic him as well.

747
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this.

748
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: One of the first times Rodd Strickland was really brought

749
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: into the spotlight was the nineteen ninety Western Conference Finals,

750
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: I think it was Game seven, and he does the

751
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: pass over the back of his head looking for Sean

752
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: Elliott I think it is, and they miss it, and

753
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: basically the Blazers go on to win the go to

754
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: the finals from there, and d rd's kind of given that,

755
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, being it was called like the the scapegoat

756
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: almost because he made this crazy pass and it didn't

757
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: come off and his team lost.

758
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that year you're talking ninety.

759
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: Two, I think it was ninety ninety I think, wasn't

760
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: it the first No?

761
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 5: No, I was trying to think of the two years

762
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 5: of the Blazer made the finals, So you're talking about

763
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: ninety and ninety two.

764
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: Ye, so yeah, so they.

765
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 5: Probably I think that the Blazers player the Sons in

766
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 5: the conference finals.

767
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: So that was probably the second round.

768
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 5: Right, because he got Matt Matt Johnson and the Lakers

769
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 5: got their they had the best record in the league.

770
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 5: They got their ass kicked by the by kJ. They

771
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 5: couldn't handle the pick and roll second round and then

772
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 5: and then uh what's my guy? Uh kJ and those guys.

773
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: They thought the Sons were going to go to the

774
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: finals and they beat the BA and the Blazers beat them. Yeah,

775
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: so I'm assuming that that was the second round.

776
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: I don't remember off the top of my head like that, so.

777
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might must be right actually that yet.

778
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, that that was a crazy series for

779
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: the Lakers because they had such a good season. That

780
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: series got swept, but they won. I think they won

781
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: game two of that series against the Sons. I think, Okay, okay,

782
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it went to five games because they

783
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: got killed in game one and then they killed them

784
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: in game two.

785
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 5: But then, yeah, they definitely they definitely got beat. It

786
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 5: was they were they had the best record in the league.

787
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

788
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 5: And this what's always funny to me though, too, is

789
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 5: like people talk about like the Lakers, like they just

790
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 5: fell off off when Kareem retired.

791
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: And I'm of.

792
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 5: The belief that if nothing happens to Magic that they'll

793
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 5: they'll continue on being in the mix for the I

794
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 5: don't think anyone who's beating the bulls, but they at

795
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 5: least would have been in the mix for the title

796
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 5: runs for years to come. And I totally believe that

797
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 5: Charles Barkley would.

798
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: Have ended up on the Lakers and Magic didn't retire.

799
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, didn't Charles say that he thought he was

800
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: stright at that he was kind of like he.

801
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 5: Did after Magic retired and then it kind of fell through.

802
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 5: But I think the Lakers would have been more willing

803
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 5: to throw in a lot more to pairills two together.

804
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 5: Now you're talking, I mean, this is you know, obviously

805
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 5: it's major hypothetical, but now you're talking Magic and Box,

806
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: Sir Charles maybe having one or two finals against against

807
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. I mean, I think those

808
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 5: would have been classics or even the conference finals with

809
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 5: the Lasers that you know, if it would have came

810
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 5: back the next year, we got Blazers and and Blazers

811
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 5: and Lakers for a rematch.

812
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: You know, there was a ton of things.

813
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 5: It's also interesting before the Barkley trade, I remember after

814
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 5: the Suns beat they beat the Lakers in nineteen ninety

815
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: and I got back when Sporting News was a thing. Yeah,

816
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 5: I got I got a Sporting News preview.

817
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: As a kid, and they had the Sons as the

818
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: team of the nineties. They were predicting the Suns before.

819
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 5: They had Barkley, like they were just like Tom Chambers,

820
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 5: kJ Xavier mcdah like all these guys they had back

821
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 5: then that they were they were going to be the

822
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 5: team of the nineties and Hornersck. I forgot about Horners.

823
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 5: Sheck was on the team, Marley, all those guys, they

824
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 5: were gonna be the team of the nineties. And then

825
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 5: the next year the Lakers get to the finals and

826
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 5: beat the Blazers, and then the next year the Blazers

827
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 5: get to the finals. So until the Barkley trade, they

828
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 5: were kind of underachieving in that regard.

829
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: Well, and I almost blew it completely ninety three too.

830
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they made the finals, but they were down

831
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: two Oho at home to the Lakers, the one versus

832
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: eight seed, and that, Yeah, that would have just been

833
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: one of the biggest upsets of all time if that

834
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: had happened, because I think James Worthy, now you probably

835
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: know this better than me, But was James Worthy coming

836
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: off the bench at that point?

837
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah? He was.

838
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: He was coming off the bench at that point because

839
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: they had they had let's see for ninety three to

840
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: DAE three.

841
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, but trying to think ac definitely started. I don't remember,

842
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 5: if we're I'm pretty sure Worthy came off the bench

843
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 5: in that series layout they train and it's Worthy had

844
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 5: one of the fastest drop offs ever, Like he was

845
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 5: he was an All Star in ninety two, the first

846
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 5: year they had Magic missed, and then ninety three it

847
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: was like he had his vent roll or you know,

848
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 5: part time starter, part time benrol, and then ninety four

849
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 5: excuse me, yeah, ninety four.

850
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: He barely played.

851
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then he came back for the ninety five

852
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 5: training camp and was like I can't go.

853
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like that was his thirteenth year. Yeah.

854
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 5: That's what I talk about with players, you know, with

855
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 5: the medical staff and travel and everything else, versus now,

856
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 5: like a guy like him plays twenty years.

857
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

858
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Well, I think I guess one thing with that, though,

859
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: is I guess he played finals a lot. Yeah, like

860
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: seven times in those thirteenth seasons, you know, and.

861
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: Then other times he made the conference finals.

862
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: You know, So thirteen seasons doesn't sound all that many,

863
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: but he probably ended up playing the equivalent of sixteen

864
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: or seventeen, you know, with just all those playoff games

865
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: as well.

866
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 5: Which is incredible about when you think about Magic and

867
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 5: him taking five years off between the HIV.

868
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: Diagnosis and.

869
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 5: Coming back in ninety six and still being like at

870
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 5: thirty six years old after five years and still being good.

871
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it.

872
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 5: Wasn't one of the best players in the league, but

873
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: he was. He was still really good. Like at that

874
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 5: point you would just think like there's no way. Yeah,

875
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 5: and Kareem as well, you know, like Kareem played twenty

876
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: years and how many finals did he go? And you

877
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 5: know Magic went to nine and twelve years? I think

878
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 5: Kareem ended up with eight over that over that period.

879
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: It was basically like eight and ten years. So that's

880
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: that's a lot. That's a lot of basketball.

881
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: Man, someone he's telling us that that light is starting lineup.

882
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it. From ninety three was Nick van Exel.

883
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: A lot of Lynch okay, got you, got you?

884
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Doug Christy, Anthony Pla.

885
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

886
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: So and that was Randy Fund I think was the

887
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: coach too at the time.

888
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 5: Because yeah, Randy, Randy fun was the ninety three coach. Yeah,

889
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 5: and then he and then he lasted another half season

890
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 5: and Magic Johnson took over.

891
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: And then yeah, uh yeah so but yeah, but Nick

892
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: wasn't on that ninety Well, Nick wasn't on that ninety two.

893
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: To ninety three team. Man, you're thinking of you're.

894
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: Thinking of ninety three, ninety four. This Nick was drafted.

895
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 3: Yeahde was the start, Cdel.

896
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: Was the starter.

897
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: It was just a matter of if. And Lynch was

898
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 5: the first round pick in ninety three, ninety four, excuse

899
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: me for the nineties for ninety three, but Christy and

900
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 5: Peeler were on the team for sure.

901
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 3: They were on the bench.

902
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: They kept I.

903
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: Remember that series, they kept fist founding each other on

904
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 5: the sideline.

905
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah.

906
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was crazy.

907
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: And because Paul west Ball, of course is the one

908
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: who says we're gonna win this series, you know, I mean,

909
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: of course he's gonna say that, like he's not gonna

910
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: say we're gonna lose it. But then they do come back,

911
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: first team ever to come back after losing first two

912
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: at home anyway and get in the best of five series.

913
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the next season the the.

914
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: Sonics had the same thing happened to them.

915
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like you might see a little bit

916
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 5: more of that if we had basically with the seven

917
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 5: game series, you feel like the best team always wins,

918
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 5: unless there's some major injury or whatever.

919
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: With a five game series, there's that chance that, uh,

920
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: you know, an upset can happen.

921
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: And we saw a lot of that in in uh

922
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 5: that time period.

923
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: I had George Kyle on this, you know, saying, you know,

924
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: two months ago or something like that, and talked to

925
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: him about it, and he's got a sense of humor

926
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: about it now. But uh, I think they won sixty

927
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: four games that season, and he's like, man to kem

928
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: Bay was too good, he said Robert Pack I think

929
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: it was in game five won that game for them too,

930
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: coming off the bench, which is something that he just

931
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: you know likes. Yeah, the guy just has a hot

932
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: game and he's playing well. It's like sometimes there's not

933
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: much you can do about it, so you know, yeah.

934
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's interesting, it's a it's a it's

935
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: definitely was a deep.

936
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 5: Team, but it's another of those examples of the nineties

937
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: where if you didn't have a center, except for the Bulls.

938
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 5: The Bulls were kind of exception because they had MJ.

939
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 5: But if you didn't have a center, you weren't employ

940
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 5: you weren't you weren't.

941
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: Really in play.

942
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 5: Like the Sonics ran into to Ken Bay and they

943
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 5: had nobody that can combat him.

944
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: Sean Kemp was.

945
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 5: You know, uh, power forward, but he wasn't really he

946
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 5: wasn't really a rim protector, traditional rim protector. Big it's

947
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: going to get every single rebound, block, every shot, all

948
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 5: of that. That was so important in the nineties. And

949
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 5: and uh, Denver had that. They had a lot of

950
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 5: size and a lot of versatility.

951
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 4: And yeah, man, that was a fun.

952
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: Series to watch. I was mad though, because then.

953
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: I didn't enjoy I didn't enjoy Utah versus Denver, And

954
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 5: I didn't enjoy the Rockets versus Utah. I would have

955
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 5: I would have rather had Seattle, you know, go through

956
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 5: yeah beat, you know, the Jazz versus the Sonics would

957
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 5: have been an incredible series. And I'm pretty sure ha

958
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 5: keeen would have destroyed the Rockets. But still, I mean,

959
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 5: excuse me, destroyed the Sonics. But still would have been

960
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 5: good to see that series.

961
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more of pupping packs with night

962
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: Jones right after this. All right, this next one, Now,

963
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: this guy was a big college playoff and he was

964
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: actually so one of the most famous upsets of all

965
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: time happened in nineteen ninety two, but it was a

966
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: game that didn't really happen because it happened out in Monaco.

967
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: And this guy, this guy was the point guard for

968
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: the team that upset the Dream Team, the only time

969
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: the Dream Team ever lost, and this guy was no.

970
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: Hang on, did it happen in Monico? Where did it happen?

971
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember, But anyway, it's famous because there's the

972
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: only you know, the only time the Dream Team, the

973
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: original Dream Team lost was the very first game. I

974
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: think they played against a bunch of college kids, and

975
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: this guy was the point guard for that team.

976
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: He was a big, big college player out of Duke.

977
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,479
Speaker 1: He didn't really have a big, strong NBA career, which

978
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: wasn't a shocked because he was.

979
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 5: I'm assuming it's I'm assuming it's Bobby Hurley.

980
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: There you go, Yeah, Bob, Bobby Hurley.

981
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 5: I think didn't he get in a car accident his

982
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: rookie year or second year that kind of threw off

983
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 5: his NBA career a little bit?

984
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 2: Not sure? Not sure.

985
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: I'm pretty telling you look it up. Look it up.

986
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that's what happened to him.

987
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, he But yeah, that that uh, that famous loss.

988
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: You know, Bobby Hilly and Chris Webber.

989
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: I think it was who basically just gave it to

990
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: the Dream Team, whether or not it was Chuck Daily

991
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: throwing that game or not. But but he's kind of

992
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's a it's a badge of

993
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: honor for him anyway, you know, to be uh, to

994
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: be on that team.

995
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, that's part of the that's part

996
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: of the lore of the team. I think they getting

997
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 5: those getting that competitive juice is going, you know, getting

998
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 5: that fire going in and uh, they did a great job.

999
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 5: I think Chuck Day did a great job with that Dream.

1000
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: Team was awesome.

1001
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I.

1002
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: Wish that it would have happened a little bit earlier

1003
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: so we could.

1004
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 4: Have seen.

1005
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: Larry Bird at that point, you know, really be Larry Bird.

1006
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: But you know, it's still was. It still was fun

1007
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: to see.

1008
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 5: I think seeing that Michael have to fight Magic for

1009
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 5: the best player in the world crown, I think that

1010
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 5: was as well worth it. A lot of people don't

1011
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 5: realize how good Magic Johnson was because he was he was.

1012
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 5: I mean, he played one year under NBA on NBC.

1013
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 5: But so we really missed this. He missed that he

1014
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 5: was the reason basketball exploded and got to the point

1015
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 5: that MJ could take it.

1016
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 4: To the next stratosphere, right like, but.

1017
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: We don't really people don't hear how good.

1018
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: He actually was.

1019
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: You know, they think about him as, oh, yeah, he

1020
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: was an assist guy. You know, the guys hit so

1021
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 5: many big game shots, big game game winners. He could

1022
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 5: do everything, but it's just it's just not really talked about.

1023
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 5: So I try to give every every opportunity that I

1024
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 5: have highlight him favorite player ever, the reason I love basketball,

1025
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 5: I've I always I think Steph is not in terms

1026
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 5: of my favorite player, but in terms of that the

1027
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 5: joy that he plays with, that feeling, that electricity.

1028
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: Like Michael was great, but he was a cagous as

1029
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: a killer. You know that.

1030
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 5: The ad ad industry did a good job building that

1031
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan persona. Yeah, but Magic actually had that like

1032
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 5: he was killing you and smiling and and and hooking

1033
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 5: everybody else up on the team to kill you.

1034
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: You know, Like he didn't have to score, He didn't

1035
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: have to score twenty in order to to.

1036
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: Uh to do that.

1037
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: So, I mean, if you were to, if you were

1038
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: to make a movie about the Showtime Lakers, you know

1039
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: you would you would cast the character like Magic Johnson.

1040
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: He's got the name, he's got the pizaz, he's got

1041
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: the you know, the highlights. He was built for the

1042
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: Los Angeles life man.

1043
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: He was the perfect ambassador for the league.

1044
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 5: I honestly, like I said, I wish we would have

1045
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 5: got a few more years of him with under NBA

1046
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 5: on NBC and Dick ever Saw and everything else in

1047
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 5: terms of that.

1048
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: So, yeah, all right, last one.

1049
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: He know, you've done pretty well.

1050
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: You should be able to get this one too, because

1051
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: this guy was a big hyped up draft pick out

1052
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: of Syracuse and he kind of was the one who I.

1053
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: Have a feeling before you even.

1054
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 5: Get to it if he's hyped up, you're talking about

1055
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: you're talking about Derek Coleman.

1056
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: Oh No, not Derek, Derek, this guy, this guy was.

1057
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: He was. He basically the reason the run team s

1058
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: guy split up. The Don Nelson wanted a bigger guy

1059
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: out there, the Mitch Richmond.

1060
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking about Billy Owens.

1061
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, big Billy Owens.

1062
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Billy Owens. Yeah, that's that's that's interesting. Billy Owens was.

1063
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: He was a better player than this, but he almost

1064
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: was like and of course it involves Nelly again, but

1065
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: he almost was like the Anthony Randolph of his time

1066
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: in terms of the way that that Nelly was thinking

1067
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: about him, right, like yeah, like he he just was

1068
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 3: that guy that like could be the point forward.

1069
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 5: But Nelly loved those guys guys, I mean, and he

1070
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 5: had the same issue in New York because he fell

1071
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 5: in love with Anthony David excuse me, Anthony Mason.

1072
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.

1073
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 5: And Nelly Nelly tried to put the ball in Anthony

1074
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 5: Mason's hands and Ewing was still there and that wasn't

1075
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 5: at work.

1076
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: So that's how we ended up with with Jeff Van

1077
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 3: Gundy as the uh as the coach.

1078
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 5: Sorry, I have a little puppy here, that's all right,

1079
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 5: trying to take over.

1080
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, making her live stream debut.

1081
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: What's the name?

1082
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: Her name is Cashew aka Cash.

1083
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: She's the color of the cash for sure.

1084
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1085
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1086
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: My other dog, the other dog is named Peanuts. So

1087
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: we had to keep it, keep it, keep it, keep

1088
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: it in that family.

1089
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: Hey, pretty good pack you had that night.

1090
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: We had Billy Bobby, Dolly Strickland, Terrell Brandon, Eddie Jones,

1091
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: Jim Jackson, Deanoy, Benjamin Chuck Purson, Peeler, Chris Gatling.

1092
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: And h and Brian Grant. So trip down memory lane

1093
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 2: for you anyway for these guys.

1094
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, I love as you know, I love basketball.

1095
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: I wish that we could when we got to get.

1096
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 5: This show bought on on uh you know, a bigger

1097
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 5: like platform outside of outside of IG Live. I'll come

1098
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 5: on there and I'll challenge when it comes to nineties stuff,

1099
00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 5: stump Nate Jones.

1100
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. What's that the Uh.

1101
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's something other other sports I'm not going to

1102
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 5: be able to know, but it comes to nineties basketball, Yeah.

1103
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I know every I know everybody.

1104
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get you an Ariel Hawani on

1105
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: and and have some sort of a trivia show because Ariel.

1106
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: When I did this with Ariel back in again a

1107
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, he had so much fun.

1108
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: He's like, give me another pack, give me another pack,

1109
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: two packs.

1110
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Speaker 1: He's a big BIGS fan, and uh man, he's he knew.

1111
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: Like some crazy stuff.

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00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's a basketball guy, but that's

1113
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: his sort of secondary career there. But he knows so

1114
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: much about the leagus. So you and him would have

1115
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: a great battle. We'll try to we'll try to figure

1116
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: something now and trying to get that out.

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Speaker 3: I'm about to hit him up and see if he

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00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: wants to start a basketball podcast, Let's do it.

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00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with it.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, he would he get to that for sure, But.

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00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I would do the same in terms of

1122
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: opening another pack if I didn't have a two o'clock call.

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00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: So uh, no worries to two pm West Coast call.

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Speaker 4: But I appreciate you, my man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on night. This is a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of fun and I'll get you one again at some point.

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00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: And it was great talking to you. And likewise, man,

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Speaker 2: do you think the lake is wrapping up tomorrow or

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Speaker 2: tomorrow night?

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Speaker 5: I think the odds are in favor of that. But

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00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 5: you know, Jimmy Butler is you know, a different a

1132
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 5: different beast.

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00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: He's not going to just go out easily.

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00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 5: But you know the combination of Lebron and Anthony Davis

1135
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 5: is so so tough. Lebron is still incredible at his

1136
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 5: at his age and experience, and really surprising. Honestly, I

1137
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 5: thought he he'd be falling off a little bit by

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00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 5: this point. It'll be interesting to see if we ever

1139
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 5: see a real drop off from him. Is he gonna play?

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Speaker 5: Is he gonna play twenty years with.

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00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: No drop off? That's just like absolutely insane, right, like

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Speaker 3: to think about and.

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00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 5: Then Anthony Davis, who we knew was an incredible player

1144
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 5: and now he's got the best playmaker in the league

1145
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 5: setting him up like that's that's incredible. And then Anthony

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Speaker 5: Davis on the other end has woke Lebron up on defense,

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Speaker 5: you know, like he made Lebron between I think Anthony

1148
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 5: Davis and their head coaches approach to playing to playing defense,

1149
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 5: it's trickled down to everyone, including Lebron, and they're all

1150
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 5: locked in defensively even if they don't even if they

1151
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 5: don't play well offensively, they always have a shot to

1152
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 5: win just because they're committed to defense from from the

1153
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 5: jump and it's it's it's nice to see.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Miami probably just needs they need another player.

1155
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: They're they're player away.

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Speaker 3: But that I think they have a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of flexibility to be able to to really build.

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00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 5: So I think the East, the East is the East

1159
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 5: is going to be a beast for a while. I

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Speaker 5: think the I think the n b A.

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Speaker 3: Is is in good hands.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I agree. I think this.

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00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: Uh again, the Celtics are another good team. Uh you know,

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00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: and not get surprised. I mean this, this this and this,

1165
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: some things that just made one or two little tweaks

1166
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: here and they a little bit of lock, and uh

1167
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: could be him in the finals, you know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, Napell, thanks again for your time.

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Speaker 3: Man, Thanks my man. Have a good one.