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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton, saren you know what's ridiculous I do? Do

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Speaker 1: all have a's in their names. Done, that's ridiculous. Um,

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Speaker 1: did remind me of my favorite Yahoo answers of all time.

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Speaker 1: someone calling themselves Hennessy the best answer chosen by voters

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Speaker 1: If you suspect that your baby is pregnant, try not

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Speaker 1: like an infinite loop. So that's kind of what goes

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Speaker 1: all ridiculous. Oh that is uncut ridiculous and Hennessy, thank

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Speaker 1: just gonna ask you. Imagine that you're twenty years old, okay.

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Speaker 1: Now you live in Florida, okay, and you decide it

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Speaker 1: a Colombian cartel connected gangster. Right, and this man is

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Speaker 1: also your father. Oh wow, this is ridiculous. Crime A

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Speaker 1: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's

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Speaker 1: always murder free and Elizabeth ridiculous. Okay, I promised you

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Speaker 1: Exactly now, Elizabeth, this also was the birth ye or

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Speaker 1: David Hampton Butler Senior. He is a you know drug

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Speaker 1: don't really want to get out of the car. You're like,

421
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: what the do I do? You know what I do?

422
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: What do you do? I grab a bag of cat

423
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: every plane starts, I really quietly get out of the

424
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: car and I tiptoe around the back and they break

425
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: in the back of the church suctuary, yes, the church

426
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: in the wild, and then I hide from him. This church,

427
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: it turns up, belongs to the Mikosuki and Seminole tribes

428
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: who live in the area. It's of super rural. This

429
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: is like there's nobody around there, but they have a

430
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: little community. Right. So this church, as all churches are

431
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: most churches are, is open. You're like hoping that maybe,

432
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, I could spend the night here, right, You're like, huh.

433
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: But right as you're kicking over all these plants in

434
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: your head, you see the driver screaming into the phone,

435
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: go where go where? I'm not going out into the

436
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: swamp in the middle of night. You have to be

437
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: kidding me. You're like, I don't know what's going on here.

438
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: Silence told the silence again, he listens. Then all of

439
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: a sudden, more shouting, yes, I have a cash Do

440
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: you have my son? You're like, oh, snap, you're at

441
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: a ransom exchange. You don't know what to do. Then

442
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: you hear the driver shouting to the phone. Well, then

443
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: you can't keep him and he hangs up like, oh

444
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: I didn't go well. So he slammed the car door shut,

445
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: gets back in with you. You call me, turn everything okay,

446
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm going home. You need a ride.

447
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: You're like, ah, you look at him, You look at

448
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: the church. You look at him, You look at the church, like,

449
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll stay here. So you get out of

450
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: the car, you walk over the church. Luckily you're right,

451
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: the doors are open. You spend the night in the church,

452
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: and Mercedy pulls away and you're like that was one

453
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: of the weirdest nights of my life. I've got a

454
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,239
Speaker 1: great story going forward that, Oh totally. You're gonna have

455
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: one hell of a TikTok to tell. All Right, So

456
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,239
Speaker 1: as you're sitting there in the church, you spend the night,

457
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: you sleep in a pew, you wake up in the morning,

458
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: you go outside, the sun is there to greet you.

459
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: And you walk out and there's a cop car. You're like,

460
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: what the And it's a look a sucky seminal tribal

461
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: police officer. It's like out a cruiser and in the

462
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: back is this kid, a white kid, sweaty face, mosquito

463
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: bites all over. He looks like he slept in a

464
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: swamp because he did. You're like, I bet that's the kid. Yeah,

465
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: and you are right David Hampton Butler Jr. David Junea.

466
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: So it turns out you just saw David Hampton Butler Jr.

467
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: Right at the moment when he gets rescued from his

468
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: botch self kidnapping. Uh wait, he was actually at this

469
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: whole So on Friday he kidnapped himself. Here's okay. What

470
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: had happened was he spent the weekend driving around town

471
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: with his jazzer size instructor girl from They like, you know,

472
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: they're calling Joe Hicky, you got the new ransom note ready,

473
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: We're ready to go. Type it. They go to community

474
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: college type it up. They're doing their bit right. Everything's

475
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: going like a bad Team movie starting, I don't know,

476
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: like a pre fame Nicholas Cage. And this bad Team

477
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: movie comes to its culmination on Monday when they decide, okay,

478
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: it's time to get paid now. Joe Hicky is looking

479
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: at about a thirty grand score that's his cut of this,

480
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: and he's willing to do all this stuff two million

481
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: and he's only doing thirty grant right. So he picks

482
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: the church. He's like, I know this roll out of

483
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: the way spot. He lines up everything. He drives David

484
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: Hampton Butler Jr. Out To the church, goes get out,

485
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 1: drops him off in the swamp and says, we'll get

486
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: your father to come out here. When you see him

487
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: drop off the money, walk out of the swamp and

488
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: greet him like, Dad, it's me bet. So he makes

489
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: him hang out in the swamp there for twenty six hours.

490
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: And remember you saw the dad drive away. The dad

491
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: was like no, I ain't going into I'm not following

492
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: these instructions anymore that five percent. I don't believe you

493
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: don't really have my son or you are my son.

494
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm out of here. So, after he

495
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: realizes his dad is not coming to save him, he

496
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: has to walk out of the swamp. He walks out

497
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: of the swamp all like mosquito, bitten and sweaty and

498
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: and barely surviving all the venomous creatures that live in

499
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: the swamp, and the first thing he sees is a

500
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: cop who pulls them over and they go, hey, what

501
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: are you doing out here because there's nobody out there,

502
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: and oh, yeah, I got grabbed by these Spanish speaking gentlemen.

503
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: The cops are like, now their their native cops, so

504
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: they don't go for the racist lies, like we don't

505
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: believe your son, So they keep questioning for three hours.

506
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, he's Spanish speaking gentleman who took me

507
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: in there? Like okay, well what did they say? And

508
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, I don't know Spanish and so

509
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: I don't speak that, you know, So they don't buy it.

510
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: They keep after him. Eventually he's like okay, I did

511
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: it myself. I could have myself. He totally comes clean.

512
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: He admits to the cops that he his girlfriend Joe Hikey,

513
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: they all got together and they were trying to extort

514
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: his dad, but it didn't happen, so it's fine, no crime.

515
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: The cops are like, no, that's a crime, So we're

516
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: going to call the FBI because that's kid. Not think

517
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: you can have yourself. That's still kidding. So they always

518
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: that's boss, which is embarrassing to say the least. Can

519
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: you imagine if your mom worked with the FBI and

520
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: she got that call, Like, hey, by the way, So

521
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: David Hampton Butler Jr. Uh, Well, before we get back

522
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: to David Hampton Butler Junior having to come correct with

523
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: his father once he figures this out. When you were

524
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: a kid, do you ever have to wait for your

525
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: parents and like they didn't come and like you're sitting yeah,

526
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: my grandma your grandma house. Well, she was supposed to

527
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: pick us up from school, and a lot of times

528
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: she would get distracted doing stuff and like one time,

529
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: like sometimes would be like she was just in the

530
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: supermarket for she loved going to the supermarket and staying

531
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: for like three hours. She loved going she did. That

532
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: was her jam. And then one time we were there

533
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: and I like to remember it where it was raining,

534
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it really was raining, but

535
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: in my memory it was, yeah, my brother and I

536
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: were sitting there all rain soaked, and she didn't show up.

537
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: And in my like, I'm like it was like, what

538
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: eight o'clock. I was probably you know, like she was

539
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: probably like an hour late. I'm like six hours late. Um.

540
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: And it turned out that she got stuck in a

541
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: parking lot of a store because there was a car

542
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: accident blocking the exit, so she was just stuck there

543
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: and she didn't have a cell probably just went back

544
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: into the store like something. Do I know that? And

545
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: this is this is hitting a little close to home, sah.

546
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: And also I think you may need to amplify that

547
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: to like buy a thousand percent because like, imagine if

548
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: you kidnapped yourself and your dad's like, I don't know,

549
00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: keep them. It's worse than sitting in the the Florida cops,

550
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: as they told you, they call the FBI, and the

551
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: FBI sends out agent David Boner to work the case.

552
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Agent David Boner because there's how many. They're just going alphabetically.

553
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: Anderson's busy Boner, Dave Anderson, No, Dave Boner, gut go on.

554
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: So doesn't take long for the agents to break the case.

555
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: David Hampton Butler Junior confesses to it all. He gives

556
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: up everyone, and then they of course they turn them

557
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: loose on the justice system and the prosecutors for the

558
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: federal courts. They go after him, They confront him, He

559
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: agrees to a pleadio and basically gives up everybody. His

560
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: girlfriend does the same thing. So these eighteen year old

561
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: jazzercise instructor Karmen, she confesses to typing up the ransom

562
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: letters and her parents have to put up their house

563
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 1: to bail. He speaking of the ransom letters. So can

564
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: I just tell you that I am positive that the

565
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: FBI seizing the typewriters at the community college is like

566
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: the most exciting thing that's ever happened there, and they

567
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: still talk about it. They came in Dan their jackets

568
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: is the Blues and two's coming in. So David Butler Jr.

569
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Because he you know, makes a plea deal. He quickly

570
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: goes to arrangement. And I want you to picture this

571
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: just lightly his arraignment hearing. He goes and their judges

572
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: there on the bench and he tells the judge, yes, well,

573
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, I have to understand are I'm a businessman

574
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: and uh very important kai and I don't know that

575
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: little nonsense about fake kidnapping. It was a more of

576
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: a deal, I don't. Judges like, excuse me, you're a businessman.

577
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: How was this a Business's like, well, you know, I've

578
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: recently invested dollars in a pasta and gelato factory. Just like,

579
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: excuse me what now He's like, I'm not a businessman.

580
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm a businessman man. So the guys like the judges

581
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, did you say you have an Italian

582
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: ice cream factory? And he's like that is your right,

583
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: your honor. And the judges like, well, where did you

584
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: get this thirty thousand dollars you invested? And David Butler Jr.

585
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: He quickly confers with his lawyer and then he goes

586
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: back to the judge. He says, well, I'd like to

587
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: not enter that question at this moment. You're on now

588
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: what's ill gotten gains for a gelato factory? And he's

589
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: wearing by the way, for his arrayment. Hearing he's wearing

590
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: a T shirt and the T shirt says, trust me,

591
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: what in the what? Yeah? Now as she was wearing

592
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: one of those tuxedo T shirts that would be amazing

593
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: now his partner cried, Joe Hikey a judge. He tries

594
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: to fight the case and he decides to go on trial.

595
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: He's like, I was taking to trial. I know how

596
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: to beat the system. But he doesn't count on boyfriend

597
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: and girlfriend David Hampton Butler Jr. And Carmen Karin. No.

598
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: They both agree to testify and they say it was

599
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: his idea was double cross junction over here where they're

600
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get you're not getting a big cut.

601
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: And keep in mind they're all facing twenty five years

602
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: to life for this. This is sure they're going to

603
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: so they of course, you know, they roll over the Yeah,

604
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: he was his idea. He worded the ransom letters. Karmens

605
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: like I just typed. I don't even know this is

606
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: you know that. The David him to fathers like, yeah,

607
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: he picked the exchange side. He dropped me off and

608
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't it was all him And everyone's like, oh now,

609
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Joe Hicky's like you, mother, but he sits there, grins

610
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: and bears it. And after the after everything, he's tried

611
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: and he's convicted. So both Butler Junior and Hicky, though,

612
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: get lucky and they are only sentenced to one year

613
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: in federal prison. If you can believe it, this is

614
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: not the end of this story. Back after these, I'd

615
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: like to tell you the other side of the story.

616
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: David Hampton Butler, Senior. Side of the story. Elizabeth. Last

617
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: week left agent David Bohner was trying to get to

618
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: the bottom of the case. We then went to trial.

619
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: Joe Hicky made the regrettable decision to take it to trial.

620
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: Then David Hampton Butler Jr. And Carmen Cranda flipped on

621
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: him and everybody ended up going to jail. What fourth

622
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: grader wrote this screenplay and Hickey and then the Hubbub aerobics.

623
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: It was a twelve year old fever dreams like I'm

624
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna kidnap myself on a two million dollars from my

625
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: dad and my Jagger sized girlfriend and I We're gonna

626
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: go take that money to Sonic and my my friend

627
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Joe Hicky, said Dave Hampton Butler Jr. When he decided

628
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: to kidnap himself. This was August. Meanwhile, his dad, David

629
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: Hampton Butler Senior, he had his own legal troubles because

630
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: on March two three, his father got busted moving pounds

631
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: of cocaine. Wait so earlier that year, that same year,

632
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: months earlier, he it was coked at. His bosses at

633
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: the FBI knew nothing about oops and his dad was

634
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: facing a coke bus when his son decided to fake

635
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: his own kidnapping. So he had real legal problems. He's

636
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: moonlighting and this is why he you get that he

637
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: believed the kidnapping is that he was combust and he's

638
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: an informant, So he's figuring that the cartel has figured

639
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: this out and they're just trying to get back at

640
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: him that Thus it took him a while to go,

641
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: you know what this is? This is hanky. Now. The

642
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: deal was from two to nineteen eighty four, David Hampton

643
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: Butler Sr. Worked for the FBI as an undercover informant.

644
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: Right now, He did all sorts of drug deals. They

645
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: had him traveling internationally and the FBI is only supposed

646
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: to be domestic. The CIA Islanda's international Yeah, I go

647
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: down to Columbia, go down to whatever you need, move

648
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: them go. Yeah, you're going to Jamaica. We'll get you

649
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: the tickets, get your hair braided, have fun. Good. Well,

650
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: we'll put a sandal. You'll love it. Elizabeth recommends it

651
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: to everyone. So he's and we're talking to the Bahamas,

652
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: South America, everywhere. He's going, right, but he's also working domestically.

653
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: They haven't flying out to Arkansas for drug deals to

654
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: fabulous Arkansas. And uh so the FBI has got him,

655
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, turned out drugs everywhere. Right, He's got this

656
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: Miami supervisor who's super pleased with him because, according to

657
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: his supervisor, who testifies that to this David Butler Senior

658
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: quote helped the FBI recover more than eighty million worth

659
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: of drugs, boats, vehicles, and planes eighty million dollars in

660
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: nineteen eight three. So that's some serious coin, right. Yeah.

661
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: Now supervisor would also testify that quote, David Butler was

662
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: no doubt the top informant the FBI had operating in

663
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: South Florida during the early part of that's a big statement, exactly.

664
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: You know, this is Tokayne Cowboy era. So what's a

665
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: little light drug smuggling on the side. Exactly, what's twenty

666
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: two pounds of cocaine here there between friends? Now, just

667
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: to kind of put some of these numbers in perspective

668
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: of what he was moving, I want to tell you

669
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: about there was a thousand pound pot bust that he

670
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: was in charge of that coincidentally was a load seased

671
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: in Arkansas. He was moving pounds the right. They seized

672
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: this load and then he flew it in on a

673
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: small private plane. The FBI sees is that they then

674
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: make him the hero of the moment. He's done this

675
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: huge thousand pound pot bust, right, So this is amazing

676
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: FBI agent rustled dugger, he says in his court testimony.

677
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: Quote Adler set the load up, he renegotiated with the

678
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: smugglers involved, and it actually flew the load in for

679
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: the government. Right, So he's like a drug smuggler for

680
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: the US government. Now, Elizabeth, I'd like to go to

681
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: close your eyes for a rare second picture it. Okay,

682
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: you're in Arkansas. Sorry about that, don't apologize. I love Arkansas. Actually,

683
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: so you're in the middle of remember we love everywhere. Yeah, well, no,

684
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: we've been in Arkansas. Remember together. We were in that

685
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: town where they put us off the forty Palestine, Arkansas. Yeah,

686
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: we were driving an across country. There was an accident.

687
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: Google Maps rerouted us. Yeah, and we've got to hang

688
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: out in that very interesting town of Palestine and there

689
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: well yeah, and it was like all the people in town,

690
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: they brought up lounge chairs to watch the traffic, watch

691
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: the traffic through There was that the red headed boy

692
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: with a bull whip. Yeah, just like showing off for everything.

693
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: He's ripping the tree. People got a crowd. Hey, mom,

694
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: I gotta cross. It was so harmony. Karn, Oh my god.

695
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: Yeah you Murer took a picture of him and he's

696
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: turned and stared right at us, and there's no way

697
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: he could have heard the click because the windows were up,

698
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: and was like that kid's got it. So that place

699
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, your standing looks to be

700
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: an enormous grass field. A landing strip has been mowed down.

701
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: This makeshift airstrip is filled with road flares, because I

702
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: know you love road flares. This small plane approach of

703
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: the landing strip, descending from the nights Guy. The pilot

704
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: is a young man, a friend of David Hampton. Butler Senior.

705
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: A total pro pilot who puts the plane down on

706
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: the grass field airstrip like he's a combat air veteran

707
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: or better yet, a drug smuggling pilot. And this pilot

708
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: who David Hampton Butler Seniors worked with numerous times is

709
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: now officially a drug smuggler thanks to him because he's

710
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: doing his first big load for the government, so they

711
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: now know who he is. He'll show up later on

712
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: in the stories, but for now, he's this pilot and

713
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: David Hampton Butler Sr. He's waiting at a truck and

714
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: with him are two undercover FBI agents, but you can't

715
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: tell that from where you are standing in the field.

716
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: They just look like two guys. Now, the truck meets

717
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: the small plane that pulls onto the landing strip and

718
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: you watch the offload bales of pot onto this truck

719
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: and they loaded and it takes them a little while

720
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: because it's a it's like probably about a thousand pounds

721
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: of pot. Right, you walk out in the field and

722
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: you ask them, hey, do you mind if I catch

723
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: your ride? Was like, what are you doing in this field?

724
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: The agents are totally thrown but David Ampton Butler Sr.

725
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: He recognizes you and he's like, yeah, cool whatever, man,

726
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: come on, because I got a pull with Yeah. And

727
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: also he had so much fun with you last time,

728
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: and you're really chill when he had the whole thing

729
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: with his son. So David Ampton brother seen. He tells

730
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: you hopping back with the pot and you're like cool.

731
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: Beats you hop in the background and you the pot bales.

732
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: David Ampton brother seen. You're in the two Undercabry FBI agents.

733
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: You all drive across multiple states until you reach a

734
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: toll and fuel plaza located on the floor to turnpipe.

735
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: Am I in the back of the truck pickup truck?

736
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: It's dusty? Do I have at least like a band? Damn?

737
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: You got like one of the Mexican blankets is on

738
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: the side of the road and keeping your warm. You're

739
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: like doing like the real American like drug. It's so good. Yeah,

740
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: it's awesome. It's cross country drug. You're doing. You're doing great.

741
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: By the way, Thank you so much. So you're back

742
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: in Florida and you thank them for the ride. You

743
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: kept the pot bails from blowing out, not that they would. Yeah,

744
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: did I have to lay flat on top of them?

745
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: And they go over a bump and we all fly

746
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 1: up and then land. You have to grab the blue

747
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: tarp again pull it back down. So you tell him, look,

748
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: I'll find a new ride from here. I'm good, I'm

749
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: almost home. They're like, all right, cool David Hampton Butler

750
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Seniors like points at you. I'm stuck because I'm still

751
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: imagining like green bales of hay or they're in like that,

752
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: like um coffee sack, damned pot pre duby Colombian pot.

753
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: So as you're standing there and you're geting ready to

754
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: say goodbye to your man David Hampton Butler Senior, and

755
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, it's been at such time. I can't

756
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: believe we're back in Florida together. This is so wild.

757
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, maybe next time and we'll call me.

758
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: These two people walk up. They can tell from their

759
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: accents they're not necessary the English speakers. Turns out that

760
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: they're a Cuban and a Colombian, which you very quickly

761
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: part from the accents and they're like hey, and they

762
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: know David Hampton, but they're senior. You're like, oh, I

763
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: will leave you to do with a quickness for bags

764
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: of cash like a swirl of dust where I was standing.

765
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: So and now as you are, you know, walking across

766
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: the toll and fuel plaza, you watch the Cuban and

767
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: Colombia and they briefly talk with the undercover FBI agents.

768
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: They get out of the truck, The Colombian and the

769
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: Cuban get in the truck and they drive away. You're like,

770
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of odd. But what you don't know is

771
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: that the FBI has rigged the truck. They put in

772
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: a kill switch so that the truck's engine will suddenly

773
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: cut out whenever they had a button. So the agents

774
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: go get in their car. They follow from a discrete

775
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: distance miles down the road, not in a place that

776
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: you can see. They hit the kill switch, the truck dies,

777
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: engine fades away. The car pulls off on the side

778
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: of the road, on the side of the highway in

779
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: the last floor to the highway, patrol pulls up because

780
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: they've been told this is going to happen. They swoop in,

781
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: but they act like, oh, sir, are you having trouble

782
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: with your vehicle? What is this in the back? Is

783
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: this hey? And they're like no, no, no, say so

784
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: it turns out not hey. They Florida Highway Patrol. They

785
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: quickly figured this out. They arrest the guys and all

786
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: of this is done, This whole theater of arrest, the

787
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: multiple state lines being crossed. All that was to throw

788
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: off the scent of the FBI stitch David Hampton Butler

789
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: because he's so good. They don't want to lose their

790
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: number one informant. This is just one example from the

791
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: mini tales of David Hampton Butler Sr. And his work

792
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: for the FBI. And once wanted you to keep that

793
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: in mind because he was doing this and each time

794
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: he did these things, he was putting his life at risks.

795
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: And what he didn't know is he's also, if he

796
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: was honest with himself, he's putting his family's life at risk.

797
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: That's also true, and that's something that they don't seem

798
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: to think about. Well, that's why he was so worried

799
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: about his son being kidnapped. But you don't really think

800
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: about it until his son was gone. Once he got

801
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, everything became real for him.

802
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: And then it's like he's not moving hey, he's moving hey,

803
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: And is it worth it? He has to ask himself. Well, also,

804
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: I haven't told you this, but but David Hampton Butler Senior,

805
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't just moving drugs. He wasn't just a drug trafficker.

806
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: He was also working in organized crime and he was

807
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: working international terrorism. So the FBI had him working the fields,

808
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: all places where people will kill you for what you know.

809
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: So he's in South America, he's in Columbia, and he

810
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: works out that there is this intersection between drug trafficking

811
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: and international terrorist funding. And so this is the early eighties.

812
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: He stumbles upon a round contra on his own. He's like,

813
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: the guys, I guess he gave us quote significant information

814
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: in this regard. So I'm thinking about how many people

815
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: may want this guy to be killed. So this is

816
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: all the stuff that the Bureau is not helping him with.

817
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: But you can see why they may be a little

818
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: guilty about, Oh, your son got grabbed, can help get

819
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: him back right. So the other thing the FBI doesn't

820
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: know is that David Hampton Butler Senior has a whole

821
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: other identity, a whole person like Chris Gaines. Yeah, his

822
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: name is John Craig Beazy of HIC Cargo, Illinois. Busy Hey, busy. Yeah,

823
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: So John Craig Busy. He has a driver's license, a

824
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: social Security card, he has a birth certificate, he has

825
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: the complete alias. Right, you have another family, okay, but

826
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: he uses this for when he travels internationally. So on

827
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: March two three, he decides, I'm gonna try this domestically.

828
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: So he goes out and he is John Craig Busy

829
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: of Chicago, Illinois for a twenty two pound cocaine deal.

830
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 1: It doesn't go well for J. C. Deuzy. The six

831
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: million dollar deal goes south and that's about its eighteen

832
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: million dollars today, so some big money. The question is

833
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: was David Hampton Butt the senior working with the FBI

834
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: at the time of the twenty two pound cocaine deal

835
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: or not? Was this a freelance gig? Was this professional?

836
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: Where did this fall in? Right? So the night he

837
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: gets busted, he's in Greenville, South Carolina, and the city

838
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: cops happened to arrest the people he gave the drugs too.

839
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: They catch them and guys like, oh no, we got

840
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: this from these guys at Howard Johnson. They tell him

841
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: the room number. So the cops drive out to Howard

842
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: Johnson's and they find like knock on the door. David's like, oh,

843
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: is it my macaroni and cheese? He opens it up

844
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: and it is not room service. It is the local

845
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: cops and then they arrest him for being a cocaine smuggler.

846
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: So what does he do? He tells the cops, Hey, man,

847
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: it's cool. I'm with the FBI. So they're like, oh, really,

848
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: do you have any identification? He's like yeah, here you go.

849
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: John Craig Busy Like okay, John Craig Busy. So they

850
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: call up the FBI in Miami, Florida. They're like, hey,

851
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: we got this guy here, John Craig Bausy. They're like who.

852
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: He's like David Hampton, but they're senior like oh yeah, yeah,

853
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: we know him. They're like, okay, well we just busted

854
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: him on a twenty two pound cocaine deal here in

855
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: South Carolina. And the FBI in Miami's like, he did

856
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: whatnot with with the cocaine? You say? They're like yeah yeah.

857
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: The supervisor gets on the phone, he's like, what is

858
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: he doing in South Carolina with a cocaine deal? Miami?

859
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: FBI they have no answers for wise. They're supervisors, like

860
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I did tell him, I don't have anything on my schedule.

861
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: This is news to me, right. So David Hampton but

862
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: Their Senior, he gets charged for the cocaine distribution possession.

863
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: He's now looking at a new twenty five years behind bars,

864
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: so lucky for him. In July, his trial gets postponed

865
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: because the FBI needs to figure out is this legit?

866
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: Is this not legit? So they're going to try to

867
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: figure out anybody give this guy the cover on this. Now.

868
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: The next month, David Hampton Butler Jr. Decides to kidnap himself.

869
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: This is the last thing we need, darn it, Dave. So,

870
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: after his son's fake kidnapping and gets sorted out and

871
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: his son gets arrested, David Hampton Butler Senior goes back

872
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: on trial for his cocaine bust. So now the trial

873
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: gets kicked back up and we kick over to the

874
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: spring and he goes back to Greenville, South Carolina. He's

875
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: in a courtroom and during his trial, David Hampton Butler

876
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: Senior attempts to portray himself as this undercover FBI informant.

877
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: He goes over all the bus he's done the traveling internationally.

878
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: He has different agents coming through his supervisor, gifts testimony

879
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: this guy is amazing, And the prosecution meanwhile focuses on

880
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: the fact that the Miami FBI never asked him to

881
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: fly to South Carolina, did not know he was there,

882
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: and this is apparently a freelance night move regards what

883
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: he had done this and one in particular, and so

884
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: the jury is like following along with this, And then

885
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: there is the damning witness who testifies that David Hampton

886
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: Butler Senior hadn't just been the pilot looking to make

887
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: a few hundred bucks on this deal. He'd been there

888
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: when the Colombians met with their contacts in Florida to

889
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: arrange the whole deal. So he's like, oh, yeah, there's

890
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: that right. So the pilot who he had had hired

891
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: to fly in Darkansas, this pilot was involved in this one.

892
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: He eventually flips on him. He's like, yeah, yeah, he

893
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: brought me in on this. It's not legit. So he

894
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: goes down right between all of this and the handlers

895
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: and at my mb FBI. He has nobody to cover

896
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: his back. So what does David Hampton Butler Senior do

897
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: once he has found guilty, Well, he sent his five

898
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: years for cocaine possession. He's got he's looking at fifteen

899
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: years for conspiracy charges. And what did his son say?

900
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Does he flip on somebody? And well, his son warned

901
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: him when he kidnapped himself, none of your old tricks.

902
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: So David Hampton Butler Senior immediately to his book of

903
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: tricks and starts looking for a way out. So on

904
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: April second five, now the US Court of Appeals affirms

905
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: his conviction after he appeals it. So he here, he

906
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: tries his first trick. I'll appeal it. That doesn't work.

907
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: April two, they're like, yeah, man, you're going to prison.

908
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: He's like, damn it. Now at this point he's out

909
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: on bail. The bail amount is, he's out on seven

910
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond. So that's normally enough

911
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: to keep a person in homebound. Not David Ampton got

912
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: two million floating around and fly planes. He likes to

913
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: get international with it. So when the U. S. Marshalls

914
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: show up at the Butler home, there is no David

915
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: Hampton Butler Senior there. Now Junior is like going, hey,

916
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm about to go to prison myself. So you guys,

917
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: you guys looking for me. They're like, no, no, no, yeah.

918
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: So David Ampton Butler senior is gone. He has kidnapped

919
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: himself now, but he left no ransom notes. It's just gone,

920
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: all right. So the seven years on the bench that

921
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: the judge William Kato Jr. Another junior, had been on,

922
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: he had never once seen a single person do anything

923
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: like this. So he's stunned and he basically tells the

924
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: bail bondsman, I don't care. This is on you man.

925
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: You're out seven dollars unless you can find this guy

926
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: you got until he basically goes until I reconvene court

927
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: til like Thursday, right, and the guys like, what are

928
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: you talking about? So federal court gets reconvened. No David,

929
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: but their senior, the bail bondsman shows up and he's like,

930
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: I goes in bad news for your judge. Are you

931
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: for real? Right now? He really didn't show up. He's like, well,

932
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: he called me. He's like, what do you mean he

933
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: called me? He called me last night and he said, hey, man,

934
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about what's going down, and he promised me, Look,

935
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: I'm out of the country right now, but I will

936
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: come back as soon as I can, just gonna make

937
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: a little money, just like you are you telling me

938
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: this is really what he did? Like I swear to

939
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: gud he called me last night. He's like, okay, man,

940
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: you're out your money. So sends out the U. S. Marshals.

941
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: They scour the no Nation, They call up the Royal

942
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: Canadian Mounted Police. They checked the Great White North. Everybody's

943
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: looking in the US, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, the Bahama

944
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: is anybody who could possibly be looking under US law

945
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: or Alliance agreement is looking for this dude. Nothing. Nine

946
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: hours of U. S. Marshall deputies time is spent, absolutely nothing.

947
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: The bail bondsman has to show back up and he's like, um,

948
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: your honor, who's really hurting. He's like, look, man, I

949
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: don't know to tell you. So the bail montsmen, he's like,

950
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: puts out a reward of his own fifty for any

951
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: information leading to his rest. Nothing. This dude has kidnapped

952
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: himself in a way that his son should have paid attention. Now,

953
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: it turns out in January, though he makes one little mistake.

954
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: He gets arrested in Vancouver by some Canadian cops on

955
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: some nonsense. The local cops are about to release him

956
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: when they run his identity and it turns out he's

957
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: not going by Craig Beazy at the time, so the

958
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: US Assistant attorney, who happens to be scanning the reports

959
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: for the North American like justice system, sees this name

960
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: go by. He then spent sixteen hours on the phone

961
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: over his weekend trying to get the Canadian cops not

962
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: to release this guy before he can get U. S.

963
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: Marshals there. The Canadian cops are like, oh, man, really,

964
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: okay at lunch we're gonna release him. They're like, no, no,

965
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: a little longer, okay, dead nerve because then we got

966
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: a new shift and I don't wanted to tell Bob

967
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: about this, and they're like, could you just hold him

968
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: till the U. S. Marshals get there? Okay, Man, but

969
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: if tea time he's using their jeers or oh no,

970
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't using busy. He's going by David Hampton Butler.

971
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: That's why popped right and comes through and then so

972
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: go Brad like you know, the fax machines or whatever.

973
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: So David Hampton Butler's juniors tricks finally fail him and

974
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: he is caught and returned to justice, handed over to

975
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: the U. S. Marshals and uh boom, he's going to

976
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: have to now spend twenty five years in prison. His

977
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: son must have finally been pleased to see his dad

978
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: face justice right now. During his ne'er do well friend

979
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: Joe Hickey's doomed trial, his son actually did speak to

980
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: his relationship with his father, and David Hampton Butler Jr.

981
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: Spoke very candidly, and I quote he said, he has

982
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: never really been the kind of father I wanted. I

983
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 1: had suspicions about his business, but he would never really

984
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: tell me about it. I couldn't understand why he was

985
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: doing what he was doing and endangering his family. So

986
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: there's more confuse kid, right, So that's why he decided,

987
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to start him for two

988
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: million dollars because he doesn't pay enough attention. So anyway,

989
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: did use his dad a lesson. He does this and

990
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: they both learned lessons, and after one year he's free,

991
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: and after twenty five years dad looks to be free. Now,

992
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: this whole story, as you pointed out, is basically like

993
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: a Disney Channel movie written by Harmony Corn and directed

994
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: by Don't of the Safty Brothers. It's pretty much an

995
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: insane family tale that would only happen in Florida. It's

996
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: time gems meet spring breakers. So Elizabeth, what's our ridiculous

997
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: take away? Oh, heavens, I'm taking away a lot today,

998
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: taken away. The bags are loaded. I see that. I

999
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: thought you were just packed and ready to go, and

1000
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: I am I have a bale of green head. Get

1001
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: the scissors into all the magazine letters. Okay, a little typewriter.

1002
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: My takeaway is that, you know, go get family counseling.

1003
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: Don't do this self abductions, right. I mean, it's just

1004
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: doomed from the get go, because honestly, he gets two

1005
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: million from his dad. Let's say it all went off.

1006
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: Then what he goes back and he's still dating the

1007
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: gals and two million hanging around. Now, well, I imagine

1008
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: they were going to probably go somewhere else, open a

1009
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: nice gelato business in the Bahamas or whatever. You know,

1010
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: they had plants, dreams, studio and gelatto factory. I don't

1011
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: think they thought every buying them put their dreams together.

1012
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: For me, Elizabeth, and thank you for asking, I don't

1013
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: want to know. I think the ridiculous takeaway is that

1014
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm a Zarain Walter Burnett the Third. I understand what

1015
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: it's like to be named after your father, and it

1016
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: can be weird trying to create your own identity. But

1017
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: I think the point is to focus on not that

1018
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: and actually focus on the other part, which is you

1019
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: never fully know anyone. That's fair, right, Like not even

1020
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,839
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1021
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,560
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1022
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,040
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1023
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,200
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1024
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: FBI informant. You know that you don't know what the

1025
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: secret kind of huge. But my point is is leave

1026
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: some room for the unexpected. Just like you know, there's

1027
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,279
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1028
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: The not knowing is pretty cool. Yeah, we love that.

1029
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: Who knows what? I know nothing, So it's awesome. But

1030
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,120
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Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Radio. For more podcasts my

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.