1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome back to 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Noel. Our colleague Matt is 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: on adventures but will be returning soon. They called me Ben. 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: to know. We're coming in hot one, despite the fact 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: that calendars are arbitrary part in the accidental rhyme. Uh no, 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: you know this is this is something that you and 13 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: Matt and Paul and uh Doc Holiday and I have 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: talked about at length off air population, you know, for 15 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. You know, we can we 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: can start with a kind of microcosmic question. Is it 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: crowded where you live? If you're like most of the 18 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: people on the planet, The answer is yes, Like right now, Uh, 19 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: you are in New York City, famously pretty crowded place, 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: right yeah, man, you know it's funny. I actually just 21 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: started hanging out more in Brooklyn in the last handful 22 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: of years. I don't know what I was missing. I 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: didn't know what I was missing. It's just so much 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: more chill, if not still somewhat crowded. But the difference 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: between Brooklyn and uh, some of the outer boroughs to 26 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: to Manhattan is like night and day. Um, you take 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: the train to Manhattan and all of a sudden, it's 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: just like a crush. Um. And uh, it's not super 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: pleasant all the time, especially in this age of paranoia 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: concerning viruses and and other you know, pandemic related things. Um, 31 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: people are still sometimes wearing masks, but nine of the 32 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: time it's kind of not a thing anymore. So I 33 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I heard there was a new variant that 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: was potentially about to sweep through the land. So we'll 35 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: see how that goes. I don't know. Sometimes population takes 36 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: care of itself though, a little bit, with these things, 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, the new variant is, 38 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: as Will Farrell would say, and several as our coworker 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Will Farrell would say, and several uh, several things. Uh, 40 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: the new variants so hot right now, and it really is. 41 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: So be safe out there, folks. As we roll into 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Earth's human population, wealthy and poor alike, 43 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: every imaginable demographic wrestles with a terrifying question. What happens 44 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: when this planet cannot sustain the amount of people living 45 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: on it? Is it too late to do anything? Is 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: there someone already working to lower the human population by 47 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: hook or by crook in secret? So here are the facts. Look, 48 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: you don't need to be you don't need to be 49 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: in Singapore, you don't need to be in Brooklyn, you 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: don't need to be in Bangkok or uh, what's in 51 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: the very crowded place Mumbai to know that they are 52 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: just a ton of people on the planet. And this 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: has been something that we've always thought about in terms 54 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: of great corrections. This is a teaser for what's called 55 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: the great reset. But humanity has gotten big for its 56 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: bridges and gotten it's it's knuckles wrapped a couple of times. 57 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Remember those stories that we're hitting, like in the midst 58 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: of COVID about how the dolphins have returned to the 59 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: bays and uh, you know the rainforests are starting to 60 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: regrow themselves and all that. It turns out a bit 61 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: of hyperbole involved in that kind of reporting. Um, you know, 62 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: the airic quality is so much better because no one's 63 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: driving anymore, because everyone's locked down. Um. You know, things 64 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: like that maybe over a long enough timeline would maybe happen. 65 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: But I think there was a good bit of pie 66 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: in the sky reporting there. But uh, you know what 67 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier is the idea of the population kind 68 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: of taking care of itself. That coup's back back back, 69 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, to the beginning of time. Um, these corrections 70 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: have occurred, But let's start with something you may have 71 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: heard of. A little thing called the Black Death or 72 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: the Bubonic plague, a pandemic that absolutely ravaged Western Eurasia 73 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: and North Africa in multiple ways from thirteen forty six 74 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: to thirteen fifty three. It was an absolute nightmare. Yeah, yeah, 75 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: it's horrific. Honestly, this one event remains the most fatal 76 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: pandemic in all of recorded human history. We're talking big numbers. 77 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: Somewhere between seventy five the two hundred million people died. 78 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: That's thirty to sixty percent of literally everyone in Europe 79 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: and about people in the Middle East. This single disease, 80 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: this single thing carried by fleas on on Rudent's fundamentally 81 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: altered the course of civilization. Humanity took it on the chin. 82 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: But the weird news is, and it looked like very 83 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: positive news for a few centuries after. The human population 84 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: has been growing leaps and bounds ever since. It's the 85 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: hottest thing. Yeah, sometimes you gotta trim back the hedge 86 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: to encourage new growth. Right there, it is maybe I 87 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: don't know. And man, you gotta imagine a lot of 88 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: these folks that lived through that period COVID shmoved. They 89 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: would say, you call that a pandemic. This is a pandemic. 90 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's crocodile Dundee reference. Um, But you're right. 91 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: You know, there has been massive growth in the human 92 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: population ever since, for better or for worse. Things really 93 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: started to take off around a night teen fifty to 94 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. Six population pretty much doubled from two point 95 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: five actually doubled from two point five to five billion 96 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: people in just under forty years. Uh. And this wasn't 97 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: due to mutations, you know, things that would cause folks 98 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: to be maybe more resilient or resistance to say, disease. 99 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: Everyone was still working with the same exact biological hardware. Instead, 100 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: there were breakthroughs and things like agriculture, which allowed people 101 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: to be more nourished, medicine which allowed people to fight 102 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: off said diseases or infections, allowed them to actually live longer. 103 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: We know that in you know, the age of the 104 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: bubonic plague, life expectancy was already pretty bad, you know, 105 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: in terms of it was low, right, Yeah, yeah, you know, 106 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: for most of human history you could get any number 107 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: of diseases that would spell death for you a matter 108 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: of weeks, months, years maybe. But now, just like you said, 109 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: it's not that people are reproducing more often. Everybody is 110 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: always still trying to have some amorous moments. It's that 111 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: people are less likely to die the way they would 112 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: have in the past. And that's why as of November two, 113 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: the global population of human beings on the planet Earth 114 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: hit eight billion. It is above eight billion now, so 115 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: I suggest Nole Michigan Trol that we check the current 116 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: world population. It is eight billion, nine million, five thousand 117 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: and going back and forth between nine twenty and nine 118 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: one as we record this. What does this fluctuation indicate, 119 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: like births and deaths? Yeah, I love that very cool website. 120 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: You know, there's this immediately makes me think of of course, 121 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: the Georgia Guidestones, which is what it's call to maintain 122 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: humanity at five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature. Uh. 123 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: And and you know, we know one of the controversies 124 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: around that thing is that without the correct context, perhaps 125 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: what correct might not even be the right word. Without 126 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: whatever context you choose to give it, um, this could 127 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: potentially look like a call to to call a massive 128 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: portion of the population, you know, to bring about some 129 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: sort of plague level or you know, population dramatic population 130 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: reducing event to get to from eight billion? How's that 131 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: going to happen? But then, of course the other interpretation 132 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: is that it's more like in the event that there 133 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: were some the stand level you know, pandemic. Uh, maybe 134 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: we think a little smarter about how many people, you know, 135 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: we allow to come into the world. But even that 136 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: comes with it some issues. Who do we allow to reproduce? 137 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: Who do we forbid to reproduce? It is a human 138 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: whether you say right, or is a biological process that 139 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: humans are capable of doing. So you are literally kind 140 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: of telling people to do with their bodies at a 141 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: certain point. And people don't like that. No, No, people 142 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: don't like being told what to do with their bodies, 143 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: especially when you get to this thing um where where 144 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about overpopulation. That's that's today's episode. Than what 145 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: you see is that a lot of people will agree 146 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: in the abstract there shall be fewer people. There should be, 147 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: but I should be But I'm fine, don't put me 148 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: on the on the blacklist. So it's no surprise that 149 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people have historically had a problem with 150 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: the idea of the human population. For not centuries, millennia, scientists, philosophers, 151 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: and usually cartoonishly wealthy people have said, well, how many 152 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: people is too many? What should be done about that? 153 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: It goes so far. Confucius noted the danger of population 154 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: increases as early as the fifth century b c our Boys, 155 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Plato and Aristotle also talked about this, and they were 156 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: some of the first ones in the Western world to 157 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: nail them, to nail the potential danger between the amount 158 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: of people who need resources and the amount of resources 159 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: that exist. That's right, And you found this fabulous quote 160 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: from a philosopher from Carthage from the second century CE. 161 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: Uh fellow. I wasn't familiar with Tertullian, who had a 162 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: very pithy little hot take on this whole quandary we're 163 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: talking about here. I'll give that to you right now. 164 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Um our numbers are burdensome to the world, which can 165 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: hardly support us. In very deed, pestilence and faminine wars 166 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: and earthquakes have to be regarded as a remedy for nations, 167 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: as the means of pruning the luxuriance of the human race. Wow, 168 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: then that is a jim I mean, it's everything that 169 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: we've been talking about, you know, kind of written large, 170 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but he also is putting it in 171 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: pretty blunt terms. He noted. No, he's saying he's saying, look, okay, 172 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: things are sad. You know, war is terrible. Family, you know, 173 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: he's silver lighted for the survivors at least. Yeah. We 174 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: fast forward a few centuries. We got to introduce one 175 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: of the most infamous guys in this conversation, Thomas Malthus. 176 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: In sevent he writes this thing he calls an essay 177 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: on the principle of population, and you know, no, he 178 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: argues that humanity is I don't know, it's not quite 179 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme, but he's talking about exponential growth and 180 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: he says that The problem is, all things being equal, 181 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: humanity can reproduce at this enormous scale, but resources cannot 182 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: grow at the same frequency. You'll still have the same 183 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: amount of water in the system, right, the same ability 184 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: to grow food. And so he says, no matter what happens, 185 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: no matter what you believe, there is a breaking point, 186 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: there is a systemic flaw. More and more people will 187 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: produce more and more people, and the massive people will 188 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: struggle to survive off these dwindling resources until they die. 189 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: And this is something that you do see in u 190 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: non human populations. One of the biggest arguments for hunting 191 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: certain animals like deer or rabbits is that vascally webbits 192 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: is that if they if their populations are not called, 193 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: they will eventually die slower deaths due to starvation. And 194 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: it has to do with like their habitat, you know, 195 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: and making sure that they're not over overly consuming, you know, 196 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the parts of the habitat that we could potentially cause 197 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: problems with with growth, you know. And that's why fish 198 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: and game you know, departments or wildlife whatever have seasons 199 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: for hunting certain animals because it's all kind of mapped 200 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: to a cycle, you know, to make sure that everything 201 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: UH is in its right place, in its right time. Yeah, 202 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: and if we want to be very crude about what 203 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: we do, what what Malthus has saying and what malenthusiasts 204 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: his followers are saying. Can you say malenthusian that word? 205 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: I love it. It just sounds villainous, doesn't it sound 206 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: a little villainous? It sounds like an evil UH, an 207 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: evil group in the Star Trek universe. But Malenthusians are 208 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: essentially arguing that if literally nothing else goes wrong, humanity 209 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: is still going to get raw dogged by the math. 210 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: That's just exactly that's put very bluntly. But for a time, 211 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: this was just for quite a long time, this was 212 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: a frightening conversation that the powerful people of the world 213 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: would have with each other. Right think about it. To 214 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: know about this and to speak about this, you would 215 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: have to be able to be literate one which a 216 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: lot of people are not. You would also have to 217 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: have the luxury of sitting around and digesting abstract concepts 218 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: in your free time. As a result, these powerful classes 219 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: usually took this argument as a way to rationalize further 220 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: oppression of people less powerful than them. But something changed 221 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: in the West in the nineteen sixties were still fast 222 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: forwarding centuries. There's a guy named Professor Paul R. Erlike, 223 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: and he writes a book in called The Population Bomb. 224 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: His predictions are kind of neo Malthusian thing. He says, 225 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: there's going to be mass starvation, environmental catastrophe, civilization, as you, 226 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: dear reader know, it will plummet, just like the Stephen 227 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: King book The Stand. And interestingly enough, in the original 228 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: publication of the book, Old Doc Earli predicts this happening 229 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. Later predictions later editions of the 230 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: book would move that up a decade to the nine eighties. 231 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: But this created a genre of conspiracy, not just one, 232 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: but many. It continues today. And the question all boils 233 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: down to this, is there some cabal of the world's 234 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: most powerful people working in secret to murder billions of 235 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: human beings in the name of some greater good, heavy 236 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: stuff deep water. I think we should pause for a 237 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor for the cause. Indeed, here's where 238 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: it gets pretty yeah. I mean, look, these these kinds 239 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: of things are always able to be hyperbolized to the 240 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,359 Speaker 1: nth degree. You know, um, we do know real horrific 241 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: tales of of forced sterilization programs. Um, you know, the 242 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: idea of picking out people that are so you know, 243 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: feeble minded, I think was one of the term Oh 244 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: there's this whole you know, just cash of offensive dated 245 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: Bizarro terms used in these in this era to refer 246 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: to people that were seen as less than And it's 247 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: much closer to our current time line that we live 248 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: in than many people realize or would like to believe. 249 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: You're talking about India, right, Yeah, but even in the 250 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: United States, you know, I mean there there were they 251 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: were like the idea of people being slow or you know, um, 252 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: there were there were four sterilization programs. Yeah, exactly in India. 253 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: For instance, six point two million male residents of India 254 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: were forcibly sterilized in nineteen seventy five, just one year, 255 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: and this happened multiple years. And then to to your point, 256 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: between nineteen oh seven and nineteen sixty three, something like 257 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: sixty four thousand people that we know of were sterilized 258 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: in the United States, which really you know, the Nazis 259 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: in World War two, uh took eugenics to the era 260 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: of genocides, but they learned it from the United States 261 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: in a very real a way which history textbooks ignored. Uh. 262 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: And then you know, like to your point about how 263 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: recent this is an ongoing think about the Leakers in 264 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: Western China. Think about or you know, the forced dissimilation 265 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: where they have to marry Han Chinese. Think about not 266 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: just the cultural erasure, but think about that government's one 267 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: child policy. The consequences are coming to bear even now. Yeah, 268 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is. It's I mean, let's just 269 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: call it what it is. It's ethnic cleansing, you know, 270 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: in the same way of what the Nazis are doing 271 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: was just a much more overt and brazen form of 272 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing. You know, the idea of calling um an 273 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: entire population due to racial connections seem to be less 274 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: than or potentially a threat to some sort of agenda, right, Yeah, 275 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: And in all of these examples that we've named across 276 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: the world. Peru also practiced for sterilization, and all of 277 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: these examples what we see our power structures attempting to 278 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: address some perceived problem by stopping the creation of new 279 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: human beings rather than outright systemized murder. But that definitely 280 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: occurred as well throughout history. You know, you see horror 281 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: shows like Pilgrims, things like the Holocaust, genocides and Rwandan 282 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: armenia in those cases, in those mass murder cases. Overpopulation 283 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: is just one of like a mix tape of rationalizations 284 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: people in power use to justify their monstrous deeds. And 285 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: what we get from all of this is one undeniable fact. 286 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Conspiracies about overpopulation and population control, they don't generating a vacuum. 287 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: They came from real world events are based on Oh 288 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: I understand. I do just want to add um. You 289 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: know we're talking talked about talking about feeble mindedness. This idea, 290 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: it was a way of um turning people into subhumans, 291 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: you know, conceptually. UM. There was a Canadian physician and 292 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: eugenicist named Helen McMurchy or mcmurkey who issued these reports 293 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: on feeble mindedness between nineteen o seven and nineteen eighteen, 294 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: and published a study in nineteen twenty called the Almost 295 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: a Study of Feeble minded a Study of the Feeble 296 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: minded UM. And the idea was that feeble mindedness was 297 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: this really dangerous high class of mental defectiveness UH, people 298 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: that could on first glance passed as normal, but were 299 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: therefore an even greater threat to society and had to 300 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: be stopped. Every mental defective is a potential criminal. She wrote, 301 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: This is again nineteen hundreds, early early nineteen hundreds. It's 302 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: so it's so recent, and it's it's continued, right, it 303 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: continues in some way today. Also, we uh, we would 304 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: be remiss if we didn't note that a lot of 305 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: these programs, a lot of this binality of evil, to 306 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: quote Hannah Arrants are they're based in preconceptions or prejudices 307 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: about what the people in power considered race, right, about 308 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: what they considered class. You know, there's there's never been 309 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: a wide scale program to eliminate the wealthy. Uh, you know, 310 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: there have been revolutions, but those were revolutions that were 311 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: meant to overthrow a system, not to prevent overpopulation. It's 312 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: more of like a slogan than a real thing that happens, 313 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The rich are usually pretty 314 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: well insulated, you know what I mean? Yeah, and probably 315 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: don't taste great now that I think about it. Fat 316 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: Who's who's the wig? Who's the wig of the billionaire class? 317 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: Who is the one that would be the most tasty? 318 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: Let us know, obviously the prize cow of the billionaire 319 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: class at all. I'm just saying he's, you know, he's, 320 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: he's I don't know, he's he seems like he'd be tasty. 321 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: I wonder where he tastes like, Yeah, uh, there are 322 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: these real world examples, So it's not a big leap 323 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: to imagine that people in power today, power structures today 324 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: might have the motivation as well as the means to 325 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: put something even bigger into play. With that, we're going 326 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: to walk through some of the more prevalent conspiracy theories, 327 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna end at a twist that might 328 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: surprise some folks. We got to talk about Agenda twenty thirty. 329 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: Agenda twenty thirty, population control. It's a big one, man. 330 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: It's recent. Turns out a surprising number of people believe 331 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: that Bill Gates, I think, co creators of Microsoft, is 332 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: on a mission to wipe out the human species through 333 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: forced injections, disguised his vaccines that will block fertility, control 334 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: the mind, and uh tag everybody with microchips and poison 335 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: them with various uh long acting substances. This is something 336 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: we talked about our our recent book that came out 337 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: last year. Correct some folks even believe that the COVID 338 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: nineteen pandemic was in fact deliberately engineered by Mr Bill 339 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: Gates or or his foundation. They definitely have a lot 340 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: of initiatives and experience involving infectious disease, but it's you know, 341 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: largely the prevention of such. And there is I think 342 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: a ted talk that the Gates did where he sort 343 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: of talks about the fact that we are as a 344 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: country were not prepared for something like what happened with 345 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, and he was right. So it's almost like 346 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: you know that retro I guess proactive I told you so, 347 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: caused some people to maybe create this scenario where and 348 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: wherein Bill Gates was giving us a taste of our 349 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: own medicine or whatever, doing it to just you know, 350 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: enrich the rich further. I think it's it's nonsense. Um, 351 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: but that's just me. Well, there's you know, you could 352 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: see where people would think about that, right, Like most 353 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: people in the world have never met Bill Gates. Actually 354 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: most people have never met most people. That's just the math. Uh. 355 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: And also it is not as if Bill Gates or 356 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: people in Bill Gates class financially have ever gone hungry, 357 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: right have ever gone without some basic resource. This is 358 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: the idea of the Great Reset, and the belief in 359 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: this concept is pretty widespread, at least in the United States. 360 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: There was this pull back in that found about one 361 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: fifth of people in the United States believed that Bill 362 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: Gates and billionaires were purposely trying to kill the poor. 363 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: And the weird thing is Gates in specific has spoken 364 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: multiple times on record at length about ways to reduce 365 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: the population. He has never said, let's kill a few 366 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: billion people, you know, the types of people won't miss. 367 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: But he, like many others, has put a lot of 368 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: time and effort into thinking through ways to reduce the 369 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: rate of not the current population but population growth a 370 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: k a. Getting people to have fewer children basically. And 371 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: there's a we pulled a quote from a place called 372 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: pop matters dot org that talks about their approach, which 373 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: again is not kill all the poor, but it is 374 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: definitely get the poor to have fewer children. I mean, right, 375 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: and and and the whole the poor idea of that 376 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: is is debatable. Perhaps it's that's the part that kind 377 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: of gets turned into sort of like an act to 378 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: grind against these riches and their foundation you know, but 379 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: like here's sort of their their position, right. The Billy 380 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: Millinda Gates Foundation is long supportive reproductive health and rights 381 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: and developing countries, including family planning services. Foundation has also 382 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: pledged billions in support of vaccination programs. Bill Gates has 383 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: publicly spoken out about the benefits of slowing population growth 384 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: through improved healthcare several times. For example, in a TED 385 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: talk on ways to reduce climate emissions, the Wealthy Entrepreneur 386 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: acknowledge the population factor and stated, we could reduce this 387 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, 388 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: reproductive health services. Because let's also just point out some 389 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: people aren't having kids like on purpose. They just don't 390 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: have access to contraception, they don't have access to birth control. Uh, 391 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: perhaps there are religious reasons behind I mean, you know, 392 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's mainly the first things. But you know, 393 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: the idea that every time you have intercourse you have 394 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: to have you know, a potential baby is a religious 395 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: kind of tenant. You know, for certain old school Catholics 396 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: for example. You know, I don't know that they're necessarily 397 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: the problem here, but there really is an issue in 398 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: other countries that maybe don't have the same kind of 399 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: healthcare that we have, which sucks, by the way, in 400 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: this country, and access to it, but it can you 401 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: imagine it being even worse and with even less access. 402 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: That's a big part of the problem. So I don't 403 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: I don't look at this as like him saying poor 404 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: people stop having children. It's like, let us help you 405 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: get in a situation where you can like have sex 406 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: for fun. Well, yeah, there's the other thing here. There's 407 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: tremendous social pressure on people who could have children to 408 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: have right, It's like it's supposed to be a part 409 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: of your identity. It's also it's also something where you 410 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: would say, well, this person is telling me not to 411 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: have kids, but they're having kids, So why is this 412 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: a do what I say, not what I do? Situation? 413 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: That's inherently unfair then, and that's a good point. And 414 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: then there's also the point that there is a clear 415 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: correlation between increasing women's rights and access to education and 416 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: decreasing the amount of children a household will have in 417 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: countries where those opportunities are present. But for a lot 418 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: of us, let's stay along at home. It might sound 419 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: weird to hear vaccines put in that argument, and that 420 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: can wondering about that. I wanted to see if you 421 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: can shed a little light on that. I get it 422 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: sort of, but also it's a little bit of a 423 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: head scratcher. So here's the idea, right of course, it's 424 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: how it sounds weird at first. Don't vaccine save lives 425 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: if they work the way they are supposed to work. 426 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: Billy's logic we can call him Billy for this, uh 427 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: is as the following old Billy g says that improving 428 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: access to vaccines one reduces child mortality, and then research 429 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: suggests that if more children are living to adulthood, then 430 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: their parents are going to have fewer children because you know, 431 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: if you know that the two point one you have 432 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: are all going to make it, then you don't need 433 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: to have three point four as a margin of error 434 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: or something. Uh. And this this, uh, this is basically 435 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: arguing that if you don't have to worry about losing 436 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: your kids to preventable diseases, then you don't feel like 437 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: you need to have more of them. You can read 438 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: a letter that Gates wrote in fourteen where he makes 439 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: this argument. And it's just a little it could seem 440 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: a little round about for some folks you don't have 441 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: to agree to the logic, but a lot of people, 442 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: a lot of experts and folks in the world of 443 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: academia and social science, have found this to be the case. 444 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: I just yeah, I'm just trying to put myself in 445 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: the position of someone who loses a child and as 446 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: the immediate impulse to have another one to replace it. 447 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: I know, you wouldn't think about it like that. That's 448 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: that's very callous. You wouldn't certainly be like, I have 449 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: to replace my my my child, who who I've lost, 450 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: who we've lost. But it's not, no, it's not. I 451 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: just feel like I feel like some people would maybe 452 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: not want to do that. I feel like the reaction 453 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: would maybe be the opposite, that they don't ever want 454 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: to have to grieve like that again, right, yeah, agreed 455 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: and and aggrieved. So what what we see is that 456 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: for a lot of observers this might feel like a 457 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: bait and switch. And that's why you find a lot 458 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: of people, especially folks who are against reproductive rights for women. Uh, 459 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: You'll see a lot of people saying this idea of 460 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: reproductive health services is just a sneaky way to promote abortions. 461 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: But you know again, if if you look at any 462 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: any credible study, what you will find is that improving 463 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: access two planned parenthood to prophylactics, which is the fancy 464 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: name for stuff like condoms, if you improve access to that, 465 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: you're actually going to see fewer abortions occur because when 466 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: women are empowered to use contraception, their risk of unwanted 467 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: pregnancy is hugely reduced. Which leads to a bigger question 468 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: if you are if you consider yourself this might ruffle 469 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: some feathers, and I have no problem with that. If 470 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: you consider yourself pro life, right, then how how long 471 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: are you pro life? Because one of the issues, one 472 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: of the intellectual fallacies that's occurring in some situations is 473 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: you'll see people in power banning abortions, banning contraception, but 474 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 1: then not continuing to be pro life when that child 475 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: enters into early education or when that child needs basic things. Right, So, 476 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: if someone makes a pro life argument, then the natural 477 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: logical conclusion is that they should continue to be pro life. 478 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: You should be supportive of that child when that child 479 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: needs food, medicine, water, and shelter all the way to 480 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: the end of their lives. And unfortunately that doesn't seem 481 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: to be the case in a lot of places. Um. 482 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: Just to add a little levity here, I saw really 483 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,479 Speaker 1: funny meme with Pope Emeritus Benedict, who passed away recently 484 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: at the age of and has said says he's pro 485 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: life and then dies. Yeah. I think that that format 486 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: has been used before, but it always gives me a 487 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: little chuckle in the face of a very serious, you know, 488 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: conversation and uh and and debate. Um. I just think 489 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: the term pro life is so loaded because we also 490 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: know that, you know, when when folks, especially with all 491 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: these noum rigidness towards incest and rape victims and all 492 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: of that stuff, that part is you know absolutely Uh. 493 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: I mind been mind boggling how they won't you know, 494 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: make those concessions. It's such an agenda. It really blows 495 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: my mind. But um, the idea that when you know 496 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: you are forced to carry every pregnancy to turn no 497 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: matter what, um, because it's you know, God's beautiful child 498 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. But then we're done with you at 499 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: that point, you know what I mean, It's like, well, well, yeah, 500 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna make you have his baby. Um, you're criminal 501 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: if you do anything to prevent it. But and we're 502 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: not going to help your baby get education, We're not 503 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: going to help you with with health care, you know, 504 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: to make sure that baby is nourished and and fed well, 505 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: or or you the mother. Um, So it really is 506 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: just kind of this agenda that that really is very 507 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: callous and very self serving for a particular political bent. 508 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: You know, at least at the very least, the numbers 509 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: show that it's either shortsighted or purposely misleading. And these 510 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: are just the facts here. Uh, they are crazy facts, 511 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: but they are true. Uh. The thing is if regardless 512 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: of where you find yourself on that debate, the thing is, 513 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: if you don't trust billionaires in general, and honestly, not 514 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: trusting billionaires is the only logical stance to take. Uh, 515 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: You're you're going to be skeptical about their proposed solutions 516 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: and you're gonna say, hey, you're probably pitching something that 517 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: works for you, Well what about everybody else? If don't 518 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: trust Billy g in particular, you can easily see how 519 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: these proposals sound like smoke and mirrors, a little bit 520 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: of a trojan horse of pr spin, hiding something dangerous 521 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: beneath and the weirdest thing about it. Man, agenda is 522 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: a real thing. It's not It's not just some made 523 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: up stuff on Reddit. It's a genuine thing from the 524 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: United Nations. Yeah, the United Nations launched this initiative in 525 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: to solve um hunger crisis, the hunger crisis plaguing the 526 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: world like humanity. UM. The idea is to hopefully get 527 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: rid of hunger by twenty UM, in addition to things 528 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: like gender inequality UH and poverty UM and also halting 529 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: climate change and biodiversity loss is is built in there. 530 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: So these are all kind of points on this this 531 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: multi part kind of agenda, but ending hunger is a 532 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,479 Speaker 1: big one. UM. The idea is to get this done 533 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: through seventeen sustainable development goals AK things that sound great 534 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: on paper, so they're so tight. Were so stoked about 535 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: these points, the sustainable development goals, and we have acronyms 536 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: and everything. So this also wasn't the first version of 537 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: that from our buddies at the U n In earlier 538 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: version was called Agenda one, which came about ninety How 539 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: we do there, you know, we fixed the world. We're good, well, 540 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: good hustle. We could say, uh, nice idea, you know 541 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: what it looked great on paper two and so, and 542 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we already know the answer to 543 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: that question because of agenda. You know, it's like it's 544 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: called kicking the can down the road, you know, with 545 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: these big agendas, these big you know, resolutions that ultimately, 546 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they're well meaning, but ultimately toothless, because we 547 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: know the United Nations doesn't really have any enforcement power, 548 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, in the global the world of global politics 549 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: or global policy. So what can they really do besides 550 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: gift wrap these delightful you know, kind of wish fulfillment 551 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: kind of things, you know. And their their intentions are 552 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: likely good, you know, they're they're not seeing themselves as 553 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: supervillains of one sort or another. They see themselves as 554 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,479 Speaker 1: like the Justice superheroes assembled, you know, and they're they're 555 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: what is it, the solitude of the fortress of solid 556 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: whatever they're they're like headquarters the whole of the justice. 557 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: Thank you. And and the agenda says the following. The 558 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: growth of world population and production, combined with unsustainable consumption practices, 559 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: pointing out the resource problem, places increasingly severe stress on 560 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: the life supporting capacities of our planet. But Agenda one 561 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: doesn't propose population control action and still like at this 562 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: point we got to go back to the author of 563 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: the population bomb we mentioned earlier, Professor Paul Erlike, he 564 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: has spoken at length about the relationship between population numbers 565 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: and the amount of resources available for people to consume. 566 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: This is math, This is mrs math. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 567 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: lay it out for us. Oh, I'm just saying, like, 568 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: this is not uh imaginary. You know, there there are 569 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: finite amounts of of of physical things that are consumable. Um. So, 570 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: according to him, the optimum population of Earth that would 571 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: guarantee the very bare minimum of of these ingredients that 572 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: would lead to living a decent life. Again, that's sort 573 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 1: of in quotation fingers um to everyone with some amount 574 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: of equality was one point five to two billion people 575 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: rather than the you know, seven billion or more than 576 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: seven billion we're alive today, or the nine billion that 577 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: we're expected to see by um. He had a very 578 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: candid conversation with The Guardian and where he actually did 579 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: propose something of a of a solution, not killing the 580 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: poor as as we've heard kind of that's the boogeyman 581 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: in this exactly. Uh. Instead he had this to say, Ben, 582 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: you want to you want to give it to us that? Yeah, yeah, 583 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: here he's going to the problem with consumption. He says, 584 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: we have too much consumption among the rich and too 585 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: little among the poor. We're gonna have to somehow redistribute 586 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: access to resources away from the rich to the poor. 587 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,919 Speaker 1: That sounds like communism, socialism. Like that, move on, next, 588 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: next option? Exactly, let's go back to let's kill the 589 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: nut candor. And then someone's like, so that's all the 590 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: ten percent of the popular show. Does that kill the 591 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: poor option? Again? Yeah? What was that? Let that do? 592 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: Check out that mental and web sketch kill the poor. 593 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: But the he's raising a good point regards Look, most 594 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: people don't agree with the Relich, by the way, but 595 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: he's raising a good point when we talk about consumption. 596 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: So if you have paid attention to this problem, folks, 597 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,479 Speaker 1: then you realize that the places in the world where 598 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: population is growing at the at the fastest rate, there 599 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: are also places that are relatively impoverished, like Nigeria, for instance, 600 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: or parts of India, and those populations are growing, but 601 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: per person, they're already consuming much less than an individual 602 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: in a developed country. So if the problem is consumption 603 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: rather than procreation. Then you have to ask serious questions 604 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: about consumption, which is what this guy is doing, and 605 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: people don't want to hear it. Again. It's the same 606 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: old problem, like, yes, this is good and abstract until 607 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: it affects me. Uh. He also says, He also says again, uh, 608 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: this is this guy dot us. He says, the US 609 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: trend is strongly moving in uh, in a redistribution model. 610 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: But it's redistrict. It's taking value from the poor right 611 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: from and giving more to the tem percent. But that's 612 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: just capitalism in it, you know. I mean, that's just 613 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: how it worked. There's no checks and balances on capitalism. 614 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to sound like that soapboxy guy, 615 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: but I really do feel like, you know, that is 616 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: the biggest issue in our country anyway, is that there's 617 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: there is no you know, way of keeping that in balance. 618 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: There's nothing in place, no system in place. You know, 619 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: if if you you know, pull yourself up by your 620 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: bootstraps whatever, But I mean, if you, you know, become 621 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: a giant gazillionaire, why shouldn't you be able to have 622 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: all that and do with it what you will? And 623 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be required to give any of it back, 624 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: and in fact, maybe we won't even make you pay 625 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: taxes because we're just so grateful to you for your 626 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,240 Speaker 1: contribution to the economy that will give you a pass. 627 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: And it's okay, the poor people will take care of that, 628 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: you know. Well, yeah, it's like it's a it's a 629 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: similar question to say, uh, well, if I can buy 630 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: a tiger, why can't I eat the tiger? It's my tiger, 631 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And consequences, consequences be damned. 632 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: But with all this that we've given about this conspiracy, 633 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: we do have to give you one twist that will 634 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: end on. We'll be back in a second, and uh, 635 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: it might surprise you. It surprised me, and we're back. Um, 636 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, Ben, it doesn't exactly surprise me. You 637 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: you you the twist you alluded to, because we sort 638 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: of alluded to it a little bit at the top, 639 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: the idea of kind of course correction, you know, not 640 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: not necessarily needing to be meeted out by unseen conspirator 641 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: or you know, cabal or whatever. Um. The idea that 642 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: perhaps the population might actually take care of itself and 643 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: be declining on its very own. Yeah. Sorry, Malthusians, starting 644 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,479 Speaker 1: back in the eighteen hundreds in Britain and reaching most 645 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: of the world. By the end of the nineteen hundreds 646 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: or so, birthrates actually plummeted overall, most notably due to 647 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: uh greater access to education, greater access to contraception, not 648 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: Draconean laws about population. It's known it's proven that in 649 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: wealthy societies where women have opportunities outside of traditional home requirements, 650 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: right the average family size is small. It's below what's 651 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: called replacement level, which means that on average, you got 652 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: two parents, if they get together, they have kids, but 653 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: they have less than two kids. Over time, over decades, 654 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: the population shrinks. This is called the demographic transition. And 655 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: there's a lot of debates still about how this all 656 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 1: is gonna play out. Researchers are gonna disagree on whether 657 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: global populations are actually on track to decline, and they 658 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: disagree for some notable and honestly very valid reasons. First off, 659 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to have a exact estimate of how 660 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: many people are living and dying because countries some countries 661 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: can't report it very well. And it's even more difficult 662 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: to prognosticate the trends. But in terms of the overpopulation 663 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: fears from centuries back, we can look at this in 664 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: terms of four phases. There's malenthusianism, too many people, the 665 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: world is doomed, the end is NYE. There is eugenics. 666 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: Let's be racist, or let's be discriminatory and cut out 667 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: the parts of the of the human hedge that we 668 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: don't like. There's the population bomb, it's too late, everything's doomed. 669 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: And now there's the current stage reproductive rights. And when 670 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 1: we talk about for now, that's where we ended because 671 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: nobody outside of a few scientists can reasonably predict the future. 672 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: So we can say good news. We're gonna say good news, 673 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: and then we're going to ruin it. For now the 674 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: world there it is right right, So for now, the 675 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: world's producing more food than it ever has, but also 676 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: probably wasting more food than it ever has. Also that 677 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: there's nothing that grinds me up more than seeing like 678 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: food waste, you know. And then also places that like 679 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 1: for forbid, dumpster diving, like put locks on their dumpsters 680 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: and they're throwing away like perfectly edible you know, pay 681 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: streets or donuts or I've even seen catering, big catering trays. 682 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's big you know, um aluminum ones just 683 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: dumped on the street, trashed, you know, or like or 684 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: like the times I got to taint for trying to 685 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: give away food. Uh yeah, So for now, we can 686 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: also say the population of multiple developed countries is in decline. 687 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: We can also say, for now, access to education and 688 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: reproductive rights seem to reliably reduce population growth. But there's 689 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: the thing, No, this is all just the case for now, 690 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: because there's another villain on the horizon. Arable land is 691 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,760 Speaker 1: becoming less reliable due to widespread pollution due to climate change, 692 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: things that the ordinary individual cannot fix within their lifetime. Uh, 693 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: there's less access to potable water. The next World war 694 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,839 Speaker 1: may honestly be about climate and water access. We've talked 695 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: about that numerous times, you know, like the mad maxification 696 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,760 Speaker 1: of the world. And I don't know that we're gonna 697 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: necessarily see that hit its peak in our lifetime. That 698 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: we can sure see the writing on the wall. Even 699 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: with water disputes, you know along borders and uh and 700 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: and you know, certain municipalities may be taking more than 701 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: their share or diverting resources things like that. These are 702 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: real problems and that is a thing that you need. 703 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 1: And if if people are deprived of what they need 704 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: and they see someone depriving them of it, they're gonna 705 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: kill those people. Yeah, take it, and they have. And 706 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: we can't be uh collectively putting our heads in the 707 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: sand on this. There are very difficult choices ahead, There 708 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,319 Speaker 1: are turning points, and you can't you know, even if 709 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: you think someone sounds like a kop for talking about 710 00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: overpopulation conspiracies, you can't dismiss those feet years. If you 711 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: are being truly rational and skeptical, then you have to 712 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 1: understand there's some as salt to the idea. There there 713 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: is a solid logical grounding for the concern that the 714 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: wealthy of the world may do something drastic. There are 715 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: right now multiple groups trying to address population growth through 716 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: non sinister means, positive stuff. But the question is what 717 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: happens when we're no longer in this for now situation? 718 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: What kind of approaches with these powerful groups consider if 719 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: we get past the don't panic stage and into a 720 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: world where brutal solutions seem increasingly viable. It's heavy stuff 721 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: to think about, and that's where we need your help. 722 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: What do you think. Let us know, we hope you're 723 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 1: having a great time in three, and you know what, 724 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: we hope you're having a great time in thirty thirty three. 725 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: But this is an episode we'll have to revisit and 726 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: let's not forget, you know, take stock. Yeah, things are 727 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: scary and there's you know, impending doom at all time, 728 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: but they're always has been. And did you have a 729 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: good year personally? You know, maybe you you hit some 730 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,800 Speaker 1: personal milestones, or you had like a creative spurt or 731 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. I mean, everything's all relative. So 732 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: it's like, I think it's important we certainly have to 733 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: take this advice ourselves not to get caught up in 734 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: the negative and sure be aware of it and and 735 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: try to do what you can to not be part 736 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: of the problem. But also like life can still be 737 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: good even when they are scary things on the horizon. 738 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: Just just to put that out there, not to talk 739 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,800 Speaker 1: down or or man mansplain life to anybody, but I 740 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: just I try personally to keep that balanced as best 741 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 1: I can. And I had a good year all in all, 742 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,319 Speaker 1: despite all the crazy things that happened and crazy things 743 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: personally that happened. You know, Yeah, the world is ending 744 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: for someone somewhere every day, and you know, collectively we 745 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: can do our best to make the world a little 746 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 1: less terrible for ourselves and everyone around us. We want 747 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts, folks. Any this conversation touches on 748 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: a lot of things, So uh, come in hot, come 749 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 1: in punchy. It's right so let us know. 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