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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of The Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: My friend Jordan Shacktel joins. Now you've got to check

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Speaker 2: out his substack. It is Dossier dot today on substack,

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Speaker 2: The Dossier. I'm a subscriber. You should be a subscriber,

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Speaker 2: and Jordan appreciate you being here with me or friend.

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Speaker 2: How's everything going.

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Speaker 1: Everything's good, you know, fella Floridian can't complain.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, Buck, You.

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Speaker 2: Know it's pretty good. It's pretty good. I see in

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Speaker 2: your substack. That's why I reached out to you. You

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Speaker 2: have one recently speaking of Florida and dealing with reality

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Speaker 2: now and everyone I think who's capable of seeing reality

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Speaker 2: finally being in a place where they can say it

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Speaker 2: out loud. Your piece is titled there was No Pandemic

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Speaker 2: The Lesson of the Pandemic. Do not trust the government?

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Speaker 2: Walk me through this one. I mean, obviously I agree

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Speaker 2: in the broad strokes here, tell me what you mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is in the context of an ongoing

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Speaker 1: debate that you're seeing in the media lablik versus.

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Speaker 3: No lablique what happened in Wuhan.

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Speaker 1: We have Congress running all over this, we have the

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Speaker 1: White House, we have the intelligence community, all this anonymously

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Speaker 1: sourced stuff.

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Speaker 3: They want to hit China for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 3: I think that's great.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a big fan of the CCP,

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Speaker 1: but it seems to me that a lot of these

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Speaker 1: lawmakers and pundits and doctors and so called experts, what

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Speaker 1: they really seem to be doing is I think, justifying

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Speaker 1: their advocacy for specifically lockdowns, all these mandates, the money printing,

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Speaker 1: and I think the hardest pill to swallow is recognizing

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Speaker 1: that perhaps, I mean, I'm not accusing you of doing so,

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Speaker 1: because you were on the right side of things basically

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Speaker 1: this entire time. I think so many people got bamboozled

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Speaker 1: government had never raised awareness, the Chinese government had never

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Speaker 1: raised awareness about this issue, I don't think that we

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Speaker 1: ever would have known there was a so called pandemic

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Speaker 1: because you know, we have the final stats on the

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Speaker 1: lethality and the complications caused by coronavirus disease, and like

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Speaker 1: we just totally blew it out of proportion. You know,

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Speaker 1: every year in this over the course of human history,

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Speaker 1: continues every single year. It's not as if in previous

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Speaker 1: and other respiratory complications from like a rhinovirus or something

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Speaker 1: like that. To me, I think that's the important perspective

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Speaker 1: is that this was basically just another series of years,

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Speaker 1: you know, you call it coronavirus, called whatever you want,

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Speaker 1: people tragically dying, but nothing that was so out of

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Speaker 2: Now I've been seeing some analysis some people are putting

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Speaker 2: the list, all of these public health officials. And for me,

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Speaker 2: And yet I'm hearing Jordan that there is an effort

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Speaker 1: That's my biggest problem with the lab league stuff is that, yes,

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Speaker 1: And I think that specifically our government is entirely missing

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Speaker 1: all this coronavirus stuff and all the ghostifiser moderna. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that the science really, you know, the more

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here and I almost, I almost can't believe this.

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Speaker 2: This is NBC Connecticut Jordan masking protocol change at state

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Speaker 2: from May thirtieth, twenty twenty three. This is less than

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Speaker 2: everything wrong, everything wrong, wrong on masks, wrong on lockdowns,

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Speaker 2: What moron believed this? I mean that was for me.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the the.

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Speaker 4: I mean a month ago they're doing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you see this weird stuff on social media where

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Speaker 1: there's still people dedicated to like taping around the surface

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Speaker 1: like because if you remember the era of double masking,

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Speaker 1: triple masking. Oh yeah, Basically, what they were advocating is

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Speaker 3: And it was so obvious that, like, you know, these.

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Speaker 1: Masks aren't gonna stop a virus because of the size

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Speaker 1: But they didn't tell us that. They told us that,

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Speaker 3: All these devices. All of these devices.

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Speaker 1: interestingly enough, But yeah, I think that that's why it's

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Speaker 1: to expect there to be a killer virus that wipes

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Speaker 1: So the whole science is just junk and contradictory.

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Speaker 1: People should really, especially people with credentials, should really put

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Speaker 4: It's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you also look into the

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Speaker 2: who had co I mean, everybody got everybody got COVID.

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Speaker 2: This is the part of it that someone were saying

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Speaker 2: from the very beginning there was no stopping it. Everyone

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Speaker 2: got it. There's no oh, I'm just going to be

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Speaker 2: the person who doesn't get COVID. It's everyone got it,

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Speaker 2: and everyone got in the first year. It's another part

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Speaker 2: of this too, you know, the first twelve month cycle,

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Speaker 2: and that any of these things, any of these interventions,

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Speaker 2: did anything, is complete lunacy. At this point, it did

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Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. But I want to come and talk to

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Speaker 2: you because about the debate issue. Joe Rogan wants to

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Speaker 2: get one of the most COVID maximalist lunatics, this guy

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Speaker 2: Junior and talk about that debate, which I don't think

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Speaker 2: Jordan RFK Junior, So you, you and I have something

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so so it sounds like you think that RFK

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Speaker 1: Then you've got to do the seasonal or yearly one too.

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Speaker 2: I just see this and I'm like, huh, here's my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of this.

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Speaker 1: It's an impossible task, requires basically a full time job

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Speaker 1: I think, more than anything, hold this credentials class, hold

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Speaker 1: That's much more rare occasion, but at least like from

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Speaker 1: people like Jay Bodicharia are saying, who works at Stanford University,

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Speaker 1: And there's so many others who have been really brave

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Speaker 1: and you know, chart their own course forward without being

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Speaker 1: But it's difficult in a society where the incentive structure

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Speaker 1: you'll get like a nice, sweet chairmanship at some university

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Speaker 1: these awards every single day, and he's you know, despicable tyrant.

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Speaker 1: So I think the incentives need to change too.

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Speaker 2: Sollally agree. Check out Jordan Chachtel's Substack. Go subscribe today.

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Speaker 2: I'm a subscriber, Like I said the dossier on Substack,

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Speaker 2: Jordan chack Tel, my man, always appreciate you being here,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging out.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Buck good as always