Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you? Why why? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that nulture? Yes? Goodness, let's
Speaker 1: ding dong Los Caltista's calling. If you give reaching out
Speaker 1: now give, if you got, I'm okay with But if
Speaker 1: you leave the light on, you the light on? Well,
Speaker 1: what a crazy twist that we started the episode with
Speaker 1: a song. What what compelled you to sing? Maggie? I
Speaker 1: just bought tickets to see her. You did great. I'm
Speaker 1: going in September. I think I'm going on September in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and Los Angeles at the Greek Theater, which
Speaker 1: is my favorite space, The Greek Theater up in the mountain,
Speaker 1: open up high in the mountains. I electric scootered a
Speaker 1: couple about a month ago to the Image and Heap
Speaker 1: concert a Greek Theater. I'm sorry, and you lived to
Speaker 1: tell the tale. The tale actually a thing I do.
Speaker 1: Electric scooter. You gotta be careful. You have to be
Speaker 1: so careful. Four. You gotta be careful. Electric scooter. Was
Speaker 1: it a bird? It was I have bird and lime? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you know about this? Yeah? So I think last
Speaker 1: year I went to l A. I think they had
Speaker 1: just I was in Santa Monica. And decided to take
Speaker 1: a bird all the way down to the pier and
Speaker 1: almost died. And I was like, never again. And you know,
Speaker 1: you know, my my family history with um bye bye wheeled,
Speaker 1: don't know about this. My grandpa got hit by a
Speaker 1: bus while riding a bike in China and almost died.
Speaker 1: And my mom, his daughter got hit by a bus
Speaker 1: and almost died on a bicycle. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's truly the transitive property that you have in your
Speaker 1: death experience. Yeah, it's inherited trauma two wheeled. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I Yeah, exactly, So I don't I don't trust
Speaker 1: myself with no electric scooter. But that's that's beautiful for you,
Speaker 1: that you that this is your thing, is that you
Speaker 1: elect excuted to concerts. That's my really my thing now
Speaker 1: to these to these woo woo ethereal um, you know
Speaker 1: pop stars. Yeah, And honestly, what would you call Maggie
Speaker 1: She loves tweeting about astrology that Maggie, Well, I do
Speaker 1: love that for her. Yeah, yeah, um, you know. Famously,
Speaker 1: I had an out of body experience when we went
Speaker 1: upstate and I looked at the moon and listened to
Speaker 1: light on for the first time. I so, I so,
Speaker 1: I had a spiritual experience at that same trip, and
Speaker 1: I went outside at one point by myself, and I
Speaker 1: listened to um deep cut Maggie Early, Maggie Rodgers, UM, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was wonderful. Do you know it was on
Speaker 1: this pod that we literally found out about my goddess
Speaker 1: that a is Maggie. When Mike Helton was like, when
Speaker 1: we did yes honey instead of I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: he said yes honey, Maggie. And then Maggie listened to
Speaker 1: that episode, she tweeted at us, I'm sorry, We're just
Speaker 1: we're just name dropping. Well Bowen, is I am? Well
Speaker 1: you well? I am? Um anyway? Uh and I like
Speaker 1: I stand Maggie. Yes, of course. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: see her. And I've been on a concert kick, as
Speaker 1: have you. She's opening up for Casey that date. I
Speaker 1: think I might. I think that's it. I think that's
Speaker 1: the t Wait, what what do you mean? What to
Speaker 1: so Casey is doing another leg, is doing another leg
Speaker 1: of her tour. She's not open, not today that I'm
Speaker 1: going She's open, magg He's doing her own show. He's
Speaker 1: doing her own show. Okay, great, then I believe you.
Speaker 1: I believe women. Um, why would he tell me that?
Speaker 1: I was like, as if I wouldn't wouldn't know that.
Speaker 1: I'm turning into our guests now because it's really ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I know what, look hold on one second. One you
Speaker 1: looked intellectually superior, intellectually severian, Bow's gotta go. Can we
Speaker 1: talk about this? Yeah, we can talk about it. I
Speaker 1: think it's my first pointedly negative targeted review, first targeted
Speaker 1: negative review. And I gotta say it's it sucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel good? Does it doesn't feel good? And
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. And now we have a shared experience. Truly,
Speaker 1: someone well this is someone said, Bow's gotta go. I
Speaker 1: was gotta go. Replace Boone with Joel or SUITI. I'm
Speaker 1: he's utterly joyless and I'm sick of him. Painful to
Speaker 1: He's painful to listen to, and it's painful to listen
Speaker 1: to him. Intellectual superior And you know, I'll cop to
Speaker 1: some you don't have to come to that. It's a
Speaker 1: hater control and as but actually so you can do
Speaker 1: this thing on on iTunes where you click on their handle.
Speaker 1: It takes you all the reviews they've posted for other stuff. Wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. And so then this person. First of all,
Speaker 1: their handle was you feel that way, which isn't which
Speaker 1: is an homage to Matt. So the clear this person
Speaker 1: hates me and loves you, which is I love um.
Speaker 1: But then they endorsed this strip. They endorsed, they endorsed
Speaker 1: this stripper, and then I clicked on their handle to
Speaker 1: see their other reviews. And the other review was for
Speaker 1: another Forever Dog podcast, Nicole's Grace's Anatomy Fabulous. I was
Speaker 1: on the first episode. This person reviewed the first left
Speaker 1: to review after the first episode, and it was saying
Speaker 1: how great the podcast is, which is which it is,
Speaker 1: and they end it with also Bowen is bay well,
Speaker 1: so the obviously there was some turn, some inflection point there.
Speaker 1: I am so curious to see this might be a
Speaker 1: Dylan Marin, which I was gonna say, we should have
Speaker 1: a Dylan Marin moment and bring you feel that way
Speaker 1: on the pot and confront them about what makes them hateful?
Speaker 1: Makes them hateful? Do you know what makes me joyful?
Speaker 1: I remember meeting our guests, and you know I always
Speaker 1: remember the important meetings in my life. Yes, and this
Speaker 1: you count this as one of them. Well, I was.
Speaker 1: I met this person in a car. You two were
Speaker 1: the same class at GFL. We were, and we got
Speaker 1: put in the same car actually was a very gay car.
Speaker 1: It was me our guest and Sam j oh, that's
Speaker 1: a gay car, and we were driven to Montreal, and um,
Speaker 1: it was a joyful experience getting to know this person.
Speaker 1: And I have to say, what's been even better has
Speaker 1: been over the past couple of years, games to know
Speaker 1: him a little bit better and perform her friends we
Speaker 1: can call her friend. I really really really smart bitch,
Speaker 1: funny bit the smartest bitch, talk about intellectually superior, talk
Speaker 1: about intellectually superior. That you feel that way, would not
Speaker 1: feel such a good way about George, not at all,
Speaker 1: So I mean, tune out you feel that way. I
Speaker 1: truly think our gy is so great. I love really
Speaker 1: and I've been anticipating this. I've been anticipating this a lot.
Speaker 1: I my first meeting with him, I I really built
Speaker 1: him up myself. Why did you do that? Because I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, he's he's so smart, so funny. And
Speaker 1: we met and it was lovely, and I realized he's
Speaker 1: just flesh and blood like the rest of it. But no,
Speaker 1: but he's not. He truly transcends, you know, transcends to
Speaker 1: human flesh. Human flesh. Wow, oh my god, a frontrunner
Speaker 1: for title of that. He transcends the human flesh. I
Speaker 1: just really really like him a lot. And you should
Speaker 1: please welcome into your ears. Stupid sid I did your
Speaker 1: I did kind of waffed in as a cloud and
Speaker 1: then the particles kind of came together into human. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. You were gaseous and then you
Speaker 1: were a solid, which is how that goes. I'm one
Speaker 1: of the only people that can kind of transition between Yeah,
Speaker 1: what would that make him? Transition between matter? You're like, smack, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Alex Mack, that's culture. That's culture. Alex Mack is a
Speaker 1: blind spot. That's what I came to talk about. Did
Speaker 1: you hear him that a blind spot? There was? Was
Speaker 1: there an Alex mac apop star for a second? Gosh wait,
Speaker 1: I don't know that. But anyway, Alex mac The Secret
Speaker 1: Life of Alex mac Larissa. I feel like Alex Mack.
Speaker 1: I never chose to watch it, but it was always on.
Speaker 1: You never choose, But sometimes she's just like, it's like
Speaker 1: early kind of c G I where remember it's just
Speaker 1: like it's like this glittery goo that then turns into
Speaker 1: a person. Yeah, you would love it, Bone because it's
Speaker 1: one of those shows that's like in the in the
Speaker 1: opening credits, they like very quickly wrapped, they very quickly
Speaker 1: recap like what happens in the pilot that makes her
Speaker 1: magical Google, and then the whole show is just she's
Speaker 1: a girl who solves crime and she can turn into
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't even remember that shelved crime. She
Speaker 1: she I believe she solved crime like in like a
Speaker 1: like a very much like going into Peron Brockovich type situations.
Speaker 1: She was constantly turning into sludge and getting in hard
Speaker 1: to get places. Wait, I'm sorry she she would always
Speaker 1: get into PG and e Eron Brockovich situations. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like basically the whole thing was
Speaker 1: like there's nefarious ship going on with the chemical company
Speaker 1: that like right, am I making this up? I honestly
Speaker 1: have no idea. Okay, George, this is something, this is
Speaker 1: something that I'm so curious to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: As someone who you know, moved around a lot. Probably
Speaker 1: I want to say and like I was raised in
Speaker 1: like a non English speaking household right in a way, no,
Speaker 1: in a in a big way. Okay, So I'm always like,
Speaker 1: I'm learning to forgive myself as of late for your
Speaker 1: blind spot, for my blind spots, because I was just like,
Speaker 1: just I've spent I've spent a lot of time with
Speaker 1: people who were like, you haven't seen that, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: whoa wa. So this is something I think about all
Speaker 1: the time. It's because not only did I I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: I grew up in a non English speaking household and
Speaker 1: I was the oldest, so I didn't have older siblings
Speaker 1: explain things to me. But then the other thing was
Speaker 1: that we moved back to different places at random time.
Speaker 1: So it's like I sent my early childhood in Greece,
Speaker 1: then I lived in in the States from like second
Speaker 1: grade to eighth grade, and then we moved back to Greece.
Speaker 1: So there are so my blind spots don't even make
Speaker 1: sense because it's like there could be something that's like
Speaker 1: from seventh grade when I lived in New Jersey, that's
Speaker 1: like an American pop culture thing that I know really well.
Speaker 1: But then I have like I like never read The
Speaker 1: Great Gaps because I was like a high school book
Speaker 1: and I went to a Greek speaking high school and
Speaker 1: we and that was never that was not that so
Speaker 1: it's or or just like moving like I remember the
Speaker 1: year we moved back to Greece, I was so overwhelmed
Speaker 1: with like I mean, I was at like a second
Speaker 1: grade reading level in Greek and I had to suddenly
Speaker 1: be in high school in a Greek speaking school, so
Speaker 1: like it was I had like a tutor, and then
Speaker 1: it's it wasn't even just the language. It was like
Speaker 1: learning Greek terms for like science, and that's because everything
Speaker 1: was in great so basically that I literally consumed no culture.
Speaker 1: And I just think, remember that was that your Brokeback
Speaker 1: Mountain came out and I didn't hear about it until
Speaker 1: like over a year later, where it's just like you
Speaker 1: would just you would just like have like blacked out spots.
Speaker 1: There's like that year, which was I guess two thousand
Speaker 1: five or so, I literally consumed nothing nothing that's so today.
Speaker 1: And then I became and then it's like obviously in
Speaker 1: Greek culture, I had so many blind spots because I
Speaker 1: had not grown up there. So it's like aside from
Speaker 1: being like people were at the time because it was
Speaker 1: Bush era, extremely obviously anti American abroad, so like already
Speaker 1: people were like did not like me, But then I
Speaker 1: also just like wouldn't know basic things. Fox, you had
Speaker 1: like nothing, so you were you were you were in
Speaker 1: a way in their eyes, you were proving them right
Speaker 1: like you were stupid. Well not just that, but then
Speaker 1: in my mind I was like, because stupid American. Yes.
Speaker 1: But then in my mind, because I had grown up
Speaker 1: with immigrant parents here, I thought it was like my
Speaker 1: big homecoming going back to Greece, and I was like,
Speaker 1: well here people will like because it's like when I
Speaker 1: was in America. I was like, what's locross, you know?
Speaker 1: And then then I would like go back and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is like where my people are.
Speaker 1: And then they were all like you're American. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: have has there been enough distance now for you to
Speaker 1: be able to pinpoint what you're coping mechanism was for that?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, it's also hard because and this is
Speaker 1: something I'm only recently like thinking about. It perfectly coincided
Speaker 1: with me realizing I was getting in a way where
Speaker 1: it's almost like it's like written by like jump ALAHERI. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you will also know what I mean. It's like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's all a metaphor for transition, but literally it's like
Speaker 1: I moved across, you know too, across the across the
Speaker 1: pond um like the summer where I was like coming
Speaker 1: to terms with that. So it's all a complete blur
Speaker 1: because I feel like I had to have all these
Speaker 1: mechanisms are just like kind of exist in it, which
Speaker 1: I don't want to over dramatize it them very I
Speaker 1: grew up privilege. But like it's really a shame that
Speaker 1: you didn't see broke Back Mountain. That is, do you
Speaker 1: know what happens? And I can tell you. I can
Speaker 1: tell you what happens. So in Brokeback Mountain there's like
Speaker 1: two men. First of all, they're both men, and there's
Speaker 1: Heath and there's Jake. And so Jake is like the
Speaker 1: one who you know, he let's just say, makes the
Speaker 1: advances on Heath, and Heath was very much like a
Speaker 1: second grade reading level sexually, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he was like very whipped up in his body. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they have sex and realized that they're gay, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, hi Jinks and Hijks. Now I famously kind
Speaker 1: of a comedy of manners. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, and it
Speaker 1: ends hilarious, hilarious. I feel like there, yes, I I
Speaker 1: appreciate you not wanting to over aramatized, but I feel
Speaker 1: like there's it's rife with drama. It is, it is right,
Speaker 1: and like to realize you're gay in Greece, come on,
Speaker 1: but that had to suck because like then you have
Speaker 1: to realize you're gay and be closet. Are on the
Speaker 1: most beautiful men in the world. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think they grow into their beauty show some shade against
Speaker 1: the Greeks. I always forget that you are Greek Greek,
Speaker 1: Greek Greek because I am. I'm Greek. My mom's made
Speaker 1: her name is Claritas. I had no That's how we
Speaker 1: got this browse Georgia's jaws on the floor. We also
Speaker 1: have similar coloring. General. I know that you mentioned my
Speaker 1: hand very very quickly because of the I had no idea. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: my mom's made made. Her name is Claritas. What was
Speaker 1: my big fat Greek wedding? Like, yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1: In fact, I went on, um, you've done? Have you
Speaker 1: both done Jamie's podcast? Really? How does it do? On
Speaker 1: the best definitely passes. Oh totally. Yeah, you don't have
Speaker 1: to pick a movie that doesn't pass it, just like
Speaker 1: talk about like representation. In fact, I was so like
Speaker 1: defensive of it that I listening back to the episode,
Speaker 1: I was kind of being really defensive with Caitlin Durante,
Speaker 1: who kept being like, well, maybe it's not great, but
Speaker 1: like ultimately she finds empowerment through a man, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, you don't get it, Like, well she
Speaker 1: didn't get it. Yeah, I was like, we did it,
Speaker 1: but I was like, you don't. It's like difficult to
Speaker 1: like find a midway point between like American culture and
Speaker 1: like the different culture, and like what that movie portrays
Speaker 1: so beautifully is one way to do that. And I
Speaker 1: think it's very kind of simplistic to view it through
Speaker 1: that lens of like, oh, she just gets married at
Speaker 1: the end, that's so whatever, because the conflict is the culture,
Speaker 1: you know. And also it's like she it's a win
Speaker 1: for the character because she marries for love and she
Speaker 1: and she wants to get married well and all the power,
Speaker 1: all the like influential characters in that movie are women.
Speaker 1: It's like the mom Andrew Martin, you know, the obviously
Speaker 1: new over dollars. I'm literally getting chillsen. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: Andrew Martin in that movie is Laney, Yeah No, that
Speaker 1: movie was huge. We that was like I remember there
Speaker 1: was a time when I could recite it from beginning
Speaker 1: to end my party trick in middle school amongst like
Speaker 1: the girls who got it and like there was another
Speaker 1: gay people. Um was just to quote the Andrew Martin
Speaker 1: um twin all my life exactly all my life I
Speaker 1: had I was, I would do the accident and I
Speaker 1: would just quote it to people at parties and then
Speaker 1: girls like would laugh that my allies. Um, I believe that.
Speaker 1: Silver Brook just posted it her second mention on this
Speaker 1: podcast and the Tide groundbreaking. Um. She was like, this
Speaker 1: is one of the best community monologues we've been in
Speaker 1: a long time. I mean that movie. I was about
Speaker 1: to say it's like underrated, which is false. It's literally
Speaker 1: like the highest cursing romantic comedy or something. But I
Speaker 1: do think when people like I would say, let's say,
Speaker 1: like a buzz feed or something, where to put where
Speaker 1: to do like top ten romantic comedies, there's a good
Speaker 1: chance they would miss that one. But it is a
Speaker 1: romantic comedy just because it doesn't have a Julia Roberts
Speaker 1: or of Sandra Bullock in the lead role. I think
Speaker 1: that's why I get skipped over. And I also think
Speaker 1: she was a non traditional choice for the lead of
Speaker 1: those kinds of movies, which also makes it so powerful.
Speaker 1: But hello, she got nominated for the fucking Oscar for
Speaker 1: the saying like that screenplays Oh my god, and it's
Speaker 1: I'm now like gonna We're gonna have the same conversation
Speaker 1: Jamie and Caitlin, So we can't. We need to nip
Speaker 1: in the bed. But no, I refuse. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a duplicate. But but it's like it was an
Speaker 1: unknown Yeah, women in her forties, writing, producing and starring
Speaker 1: in a romantic comedy in the mid two thousands and
Speaker 1: super independent, like no, truly, not a lot of money
Speaker 1: at all. Do you guys know who the producers? Because
Speaker 1: he the story goes that he saw her one woman
Speaker 1: show because she was friends with Rita Wilson. Well, so
Speaker 1: Rita is Greek, yes, and right, that's actually culture number seven. Yes,
Speaker 1: the fact that Rita Wilson is Greek is like a
Speaker 1: big It's huge. It's a huge. I wonder what her
Speaker 1: maiden name is? Do we know this? Um? Well, she
Speaker 1: might be like she might be she might not have
Speaker 1: it might be like half Greek and it's like her.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well we might not be able to find Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do know that. First of all, I saw
Speaker 1: her recently because um, oh my god. Last year at
Speaker 1: my so my sister went to college with their son,
Speaker 1: their youngest son, I believe, and so I saw them
Speaker 1: at the graduation. They were both very cute. Um, do
Speaker 1: we have intel coming in? Yes? Okay, so wow, all right,
Speaker 1: so this is insane? What her real name is? Margharita
Speaker 1: ibrahf ibrahm ha, Yeah, this is Did anyone know that
Speaker 1: Rita Wilson's real name is Margarita? Did you know what is? Okay?
Speaker 1: Pop quiz, what is Tina Fey's first name? Saa Elizabeth?
Speaker 1: Stas Elizabeth? That's real? And then this is Zenobia's in
Speaker 1: there or something? I just Stamata is such so great?
Speaker 1: This says her mother. Dorothea was agreed that this doesn't
Speaker 1: say her maiden name. What's with that whitewashing, Rita? I
Speaker 1: think we got to take her to tak her father
Speaker 1: Hassan HOLLI love it brought it brought him off. Was
Speaker 1: a pal mock Bulgarian Muslim born in Breshton, Greece, close
Speaker 1: to the border with Bulgaria. Do we can we believe
Speaker 1: this that? I think Rita Wilson, Margarite, Margharita, Margarita, thank you,
Speaker 1: hp A. There has to be I mean, beyond the
Speaker 1: meganos of it all, there has to be some fun,
Speaker 1: little queer moment for you too to go back to
Speaker 1: Greece and do something. I think it's a rom com stort,
Speaker 1: like can't we go to make an else? You can't
Speaker 1: see me in George and making Absolutely we'll all going
Speaker 1: to make an nose together. I'm saying there's there's something.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's there's a meek, there's a
Speaker 1: making noose, rob Colm, that you will are destined to
Speaker 1: write someday. And I think for George there's like there's
Speaker 1: like a there's like a more sort of smart prestige.
Speaker 1: You acting at intellectuy superior, No actually are Okay, let's
Speaker 1: break this down, Let's unpack that. Let's break this Let's
Speaker 1: break this down. I literally had the thought today on
Speaker 1: the subway, I go Matt Rodgers is one of the
Speaker 1: smartest people on this planet. Shut up his responses to
Speaker 1: things as they happen. Where does he have his mind?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand how this is. This is
Speaker 1: about George to Darris and his incredibly smart screenplay He's
Speaker 1: going to write, and George is going to write something
Speaker 1: a little bit, something prestige but dark, but ultimately has
Speaker 1: a tragic ending. How do you feel about being described
Speaker 1: as artistically prestige the tragic ending, a tragic ending? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: are you willing to respond to that? I'm and I
Speaker 1: really why. I want to know why you think it
Speaker 1: would have a tragic ending. I take that back. I'm
Speaker 1: saying not trunge, but I'm saying it's like end of
Speaker 1: Fleaback season two, there's a moment of like there's a
Speaker 1: moment of like, like just complete closure for this character
Speaker 1: that would be based on you, but you will have
Speaker 1: been there, your scar tissue will be very fresh. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I think that's the highest compliment. Think the only
Speaker 1: reason is um uh, what were your thoughts? But the
Speaker 1: only thing I was gonna say is that, So I
Speaker 1: it's like, as a as a consumer of media, I
Speaker 1: love things like exactly what you're describing, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I because I'm so like joke oriented. When I
Speaker 1: sit down and write something, I can only write a joke.
Speaker 1: I can only write jokes and actually like that I
Speaker 1: had written something at some point and like one of
Speaker 1: the criticisms was that it feels like it's written by
Speaker 1: a stand up comedian. It's just like all I do
Speaker 1: is like dialogue, like a series of dialogues that have
Speaker 1: that are just like a joke joke, And I really
Speaker 1: and I feel like it stems from like an insecurity
Speaker 1: of like being like vulnerable on the page, and do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So it's like I do
Speaker 1: think it's a common because that means that maybe someday
Speaker 1: I will be able to attempt something like it's like
Speaker 1: I have confidence in Matt. I think you agree with me.
Speaker 1: I think George is a very sort of a tory
Speaker 1: tourish future. You know something I am identifying with this
Speaker 1: because a criticism I used to get a lot was
Speaker 1: all the characters sound the same. And I think that
Speaker 1: means that you're writing in a strong voice. So you
Speaker 1: know you've seen successful writers that have that, I mean,
Speaker 1: especially earlier in her career. Her characters out at the
Speaker 1: same Yeah, like she was just like everyone sounded like
Speaker 1: Juno in that movie, except maybe Jennifer Garner. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I there's there's certain writers that like if I threw
Speaker 1: that and it was like a gross like a chili
Speaker 1: like but now, yeah, he meant he was trying to
Speaker 1: give us chills? Did he give you chills when he
Speaker 1: said he didn't strike hearing? You know? I felt nothing,
Speaker 1: you know when I saw two seconds of the other Day,
Speaker 1: which looked like hot garbage wonder Wheel. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake, like there was a scene between them like
Speaker 1: they've just fucked, I guess, And there's a scene with
Speaker 1: her getting dressed and he's laying in the bed. Have
Speaker 1: you seen this? No? But I just like when you
Speaker 1: watch the trailer, it's one of those And I hate
Speaker 1: when this happens, when you feel like an actor that
Speaker 1: you respect. In this case, obviously I'm referring to just
Speaker 1: timber Like, okay, okay, it just like is embarrassing themselves, right,
Speaker 1: And I hate that and I feel bad saying that.
Speaker 1: But and this is controversial, but that's kind of how
Speaker 1: I felt about like MoMA Mio one with Meryl Streets
Speaker 1: just like her jumping on the bed, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, see now I don't have that problem without
Speaker 1: a MIA because it's like for me, it's like how
Speaker 1: else would you do this? And like and like I
Speaker 1: don't feel mad at Merrill for saying yes to that movie.
Speaker 1: I feel a mad at Kate Winslet for saying yes
Speaker 1: to it, and b I watch it and I'm like
Speaker 1: for you to say yes to this and this also
Speaker 1: be this bad like this scene with Kate Winslet and sorry,
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake, I will say sorry before I say his
Speaker 1: name for the rest of the podcast. It's just like
Speaker 1: these are two people who aren't speaking to each other,
Speaker 1: and it's like it just goes to show, like wow,
Speaker 1: if we didn't cancel Woody Allen for being like disgusting,
Speaker 1: then we should definitely cancel him for being like completely
Speaker 1: wrote and just like it's just so repetitive. Well it's
Speaker 1: it's also I mean again putting all the growth stuff aside.
Speaker 1: Just as a filmography, he has always been inconsistent, like
Speaker 1: it has always been like one good movie, one bad movie,
Speaker 1: one good movie, when like so prolific. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there are a movie there was a movie that he
Speaker 1: did with like Jason Biggs and Christina Ricci and it
Speaker 1: is terrible. You either hear about them because they fucking
Speaker 1: kill at the awards at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: like Blue Jasmine or something. He either like fucking nails
Speaker 1: it or it's ter and you never hear about it,
Speaker 1: or like Scoop do you remember Scoop? Oh, I remember
Speaker 1: Scarlet Johnson. Johnson was not Hugh Jackman, who I don't
Speaker 1: remember but whatever doesn't matter. But um, yeah, another just completely.
Speaker 1: I remember watching it and like forgetting it as it
Speaker 1: was happening. This is like right before you got canceled
Speaker 1: for good. But um that he's not he's working. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is a whole other thing, which is
Speaker 1: just like they always say, like, you know, don't get
Speaker 1: mad at the actress, is like they're just trying to work.
Speaker 1: It's like, I have a huge problem with that because
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet is not just trying to work in quotes,
Speaker 1: She's an Academy Award winning actress with many options and choices.
Speaker 1: And I do feel upset that she said yes to
Speaker 1: that movie, and I do think that she should answer
Speaker 1: for that. I think sorry I think that these people
Speaker 1: exist in a different media environment than you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm think you don't think that she weighed on
Speaker 1: her mind, like it might be problematic if I do this,
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't. You know, they they have. But I again,
Speaker 1: like I think we constantly underestimated how people are not
Speaker 1: part of like mainstream conversations that we think are like
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere. Yeah, like once you're up there like the
Speaker 1: focal point, and also like the relativity of the ethical quandries.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the equivalent of like me deciding whether
Speaker 1: or not I want to use like a plastic shower
Speaker 1: or paper show. It's like sometimes I'll make the right decision,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll make it's all okay, Like that's it's like
Speaker 1: for her, it's like maybe she made some decisions she
Speaker 1: was proud of and something she was less proud of,
Speaker 1: but she's not going to like derail her whole. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not saying I'm not saying I don't
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think like if if everyone was
Speaker 1: on the same page, then I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: But I I mean, it's like I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: this with a SCARLETTR. Hands and stuff to him, like
Speaker 1: what kind of things must she read? Like, yeah, she
Speaker 1: must be exactly exactly, Yeah, she's she's out of touch
Speaker 1: to say that, I mean, no matter what. But like
Speaker 1: what to what degree is she to for her to
Speaker 1: be able to say that in the first place, sort
Speaker 1: of feel like she should, yeah, Or it's like I
Speaker 1: wonder if she even knows something that she's saying will
Speaker 1: be controversial, or if she thinks she's like speaking some
Speaker 1: big truth like anyway, odd time for her to do
Speaker 1: that too, right before the announcement that like black Wood, Like,
Speaker 1: it's so like that could have been such I mean,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know really where everyone's
Speaker 1: at with Scarlett Johanson. I've always been a huge fan
Speaker 1: of hers, and when she messes up like this, it's
Speaker 1: really frustrating because I think she's so good and I
Speaker 1: just want to see her like get there, like in
Speaker 1: terms of these conversations. But with Bo, with the black
Speaker 1: Widow of it all, it's like, I wonder if that
Speaker 1: would have been a more prominent part of that big
Speaker 1: Marvel announcement had she not just had this this whole
Speaker 1: thing go down, Because it feels like everyone like that
Speaker 1: big Marvel announcement, which was like crazy, all that stuff
Speaker 1: that was announced. I feel like, you know rightfully, So
Speaker 1: like the conversations that I'm seeing online in my bubble
Speaker 1: anyway is like about Blade and about like you know,
Speaker 1: um which is and yes, and all the how diverse
Speaker 1: the roster is, and like you know, Tessa Thompson is
Speaker 1: going to have a queer love interest in Thor, and
Speaker 1: Natalie Portman is going to be female. The only thing
Speaker 1: I know is that Natalie Portman is going to be
Speaker 1: female and Natalie is gonna be fucking female Thor, which
Speaker 1: I don't really know how that makes sense. In the cannon,
Speaker 1: it's multiverse stuff, so they're opening up the multiverse where
Speaker 1: like there's a different world in which she is, or
Speaker 1: so Jane Foster her character from the movies, or well
Speaker 1: that is literally true. So it has been announced that
Speaker 1: Jane Foster becomes Thor. Great fun. And it's also like
Speaker 1: we're trying to rationalize the Marvel movies, which I have
Speaker 1: to say, after having seen all of them. Yes, I
Speaker 1: get that Endgame was good, and I get that some
Speaker 1: of the movies are good. I can't understand a thing
Speaker 1: that is happening, don't care at thank you? And can
Speaker 1: you believe there's gonna be I cried drinking because I
Speaker 1: was stoned out of my mind, and I was like
Speaker 1: Joel and like we were just I've learned to be
Speaker 1: accepting of like I think it's so boring to be
Speaker 1: one of these people that's like adults watching comics. But
Speaker 1: then it's like part of me is thinking that. But
Speaker 1: then also I'm just like it's also boring anything you
Speaker 1: can say about them, if you like them or if
Speaker 1: you don't like them. I just like, I wish we
Speaker 1: could stop it. Yeah, I totally as their military propaganda
Speaker 1: is it really is all true, Like the whole thing
Speaker 1: of like um sort of like um, what's it like
Speaker 1: a glorifying like nest or whatever, like whatever it's called,
Speaker 1: Like the whole like the whole recruiting process of it
Speaker 1: all a little I saw a wonder Woman on a
Speaker 1: plane and I was like, this is the most abhorrent
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. Like I think, no offense to
Speaker 1: Patty Jenkins. I think Patty Jenkins is wonderful, but she
Speaker 1: didn't write the movie. She drive to the movie's gal Gadote,
Speaker 1: not a good actress anyway, I mean, how could she
Speaker 1: be good? I think superhero the concept of superheroes is
Speaker 1: like there is some like propaganda, there is some proselytizing
Speaker 1: thing about like joining the militant, Like literally, um, did
Speaker 1: you see Spider Man Far from Home? You don't? All right?
Speaker 1: I've heard it's good. I fell asleep numerous Wow did
Speaker 1: you see that interview with Kirston duns For She was
Speaker 1: asked about the new Spider Man movies and she was like, well,
Speaker 1: we did it best, so I don't know why they
Speaker 1: keep doing it right, And I fucking love her. We've
Speaker 1: I think we've discussed she is. And I'm not the
Speaker 1: first game Man to say this, like the lack of
Speaker 1: respect that Kirsten Dunst gets not only as an actress
Speaker 1: but as a cultural figure and someone who is knowledgeable
Speaker 1: about film and knowledgeable about art and knowledgeable about film
Speaker 1: history and talk about I mean making choices about what
Speaker 1: projects are participants Dunst. I mean the thing she chooses
Speaker 1: all could be taught in like film schools like it's
Speaker 1: and even the She's like, Okay, I'm gonna do Eternal Sunshine.
Speaker 1: I have a small role, but that is going to
Speaker 1: be a movie that people talk about for that. She
Speaker 1: should have been nominated for an Oscar for that. That's
Speaker 1: the diff definition of a great sight. There was like
Speaker 1: she's the character that the movie doesn't work without that character,
Speaker 1: not at all. Yeah, I mean she's in that new
Speaker 1: show which looks very good, which I know you on
Speaker 1: on becoming a God in Central Party. And then it
Speaker 1: was like it was introducing the cast and it was
Speaker 1: like Emmy and Golden Globe Nominique Cus Duns and I
Speaker 1: was like, are you fucking kids? I've never been up
Speaker 1: there saying thank you, Like are you kidding me? It's
Speaker 1: crazy because I was literally just explaining so that we
Speaker 1: do this. There's this thing called you You You're Coven,
Speaker 1: which is like the five actresses who like, like, she's
Speaker 1: in my coven for sure, And so I say, all
Speaker 1: throughout my life literally from the beginning, she has been
Speaker 1: in like the defining movies of like I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: like if you could start from the beginning, I wasn't
Speaker 1: like cognizant of it during the interview with the vampire,
Speaker 1: but that's in a stunning that's a stunning performance. And
Speaker 1: then you know from Jumanji even to like bring it on, bitch,
Speaker 1: dropped a gorgeous to um Eternal Sunshine to even the
Speaker 1: more adult stuff that she's done recently, Mellian Colia and
Speaker 1: um uh Bachelorette. Bachelorette is genius and the movie with
Speaker 1: the the oh yeah, yes, oh wait, oh god, this
Speaker 1: is so embarrassing. Wait Marie not Marie Tourette. But what
Speaker 1: wait funk? What the hell is um? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Yes the god we saw movie theaters again. Another performance
Speaker 1: that like I thought should have been in a conversation.
Speaker 1: She was the best one in the movie absolutely, and
Speaker 1: the most difficult part. You know, I forgot about I mean,
Speaker 1: as a movie it's like fine, but her, I think
Speaker 1: she transcends the script like her. I think that's I
Speaker 1: agree that it was one of the best performances that year. Also,
Speaker 1: I loved her and Hidden Figures absolutely because she is
Speaker 1: the part. Yes, she's she commits. You know what's interesting.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about Natale Apartment. I feel like
Speaker 1: they've had very similar trajectories except they like they like
Speaker 1: diverged in a Wood explained this like child actors and
Speaker 1: their prestige films, who like sort of and early nerd
Speaker 1: culture stuff and didn't even mentioned Spider Man obviously huge.
Speaker 1: And then like, but Natalie wasn't really into the rom
Speaker 1: coms until later on, maybe like she she like tingently,
Speaker 1: like she was getting her checks revisited every now and then.
Speaker 1: But like, but now, but I feel like Kirsten stuck
Speaker 1: to her art house guns a little bit more and
Speaker 1: a little bit longer. And yeah, she doesn't get the
Speaker 1: respect she deserves well, I mean, and then also like
Speaker 1: we haven't even mentioned her incredible performance in Fargo, which
Speaker 1: I actually haven't, so she's unbelievable in that. And I
Speaker 1: think it just got lost in the fact that there's
Speaker 1: just so much gold happening with addresses on television right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's I think I think there's enough of
Speaker 1: a ground swell happening with there's always but she's all.
Speaker 1: She hasn't there's no comeback narrati because she hasn't been gone.
Speaker 1: But it's like I think, I think, I think everyone.
Speaker 1: I think there's a moment it's imminent with her in
Speaker 1: the next few years. I think it's cool that she
Speaker 1: has this show. I wonder if you never know, I
Speaker 1: wonder if it will be like her moment because you
Speaker 1: never know because the field is so crowded. It's like
Speaker 1: Christina Applegate gave such an amazing performance and dead to me,
Speaker 1: she's not going to literally watch three episodes of it
Speaker 1: today not believe how good she. I haven't seen it because, um,
Speaker 1: a guy used to date it loves it, and I'm like, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fair to watch. Wait, I wanted to go back,
Speaker 1: but when you need to watch Bachelor and and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's Leslie Hedland who did and and like
Speaker 1: she's a playwright by training or not by like she
Speaker 1: was a playwright for many years. And it's very much
Speaker 1: I think it's based on whatever plays and it's very
Speaker 1: much written like a play, which is like I always
Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't like that, Like people
Speaker 1: love that, don't like you know, doubt or you know,
Speaker 1: like movies like that. I kind of enjoy I love them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the Three Billboards you liked oh um, because I
Speaker 1: feel like that's like I guess that as a play,
Speaker 1: I know it's controver never mad don't answer, I would
Speaker 1: say I didn't. I didn't hate it. I didn't not
Speaker 1: like it because of the place. I didn't like it
Speaker 1: for other reasons, right, Yeah, that that came out so
Speaker 1: loud and I didn't mean. You're right that that is
Speaker 1: the quintessential example. You know what else is a really
Speaker 1: good example of this closer of course, things that were
Speaker 1: literally plays. Yeah, I know, but some of them translates,
Speaker 1: they don't make sure sure, But Bachelotte succeeds on sticking
Speaker 1: to its play. Yeah, I think so. Also, Bachelorette includes
Speaker 1: James Marsden, who is also in debt to me, who
Speaker 1: is truly fine wine, Adam Scott, Adam Scott, and Adam Scott.
Speaker 1: Fucking So have you watched any of Big littalizes this season? Okay,
Speaker 1: so I've watched all of it except I want to say,
Speaker 1: two episodes. And the reason is because basically I this,
Speaker 1: I'm not a reality TV person out and when I
Speaker 1: tell you I have, I physically I'm unable to press
Speaker 1: plan anything else in a way where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: will sit on my couch and me like, I want
Speaker 1: to watch a big Little Eyes so I can catch up.
Speaker 1: But I and I'm not able to watch anything other
Speaker 1: than that. And I've watched three seasons in two weeks.
Speaker 1: You have been tweeting about Yeah, I liked. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is embarrassing, I like deleted. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: part of the culture. It's I And I'm also so
Speaker 1: late to it, like I just started it recently, did
Speaker 1: I did? And I really enjoy it really, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's the one thing on Bravo I can't get into
Speaker 1: and I haven't tried at all. It's like, but the
Speaker 1: thing is, like I used to say this about Housewives,
Speaker 1: I was like, never getting into that, and now I'm
Speaker 1: like so into it. It's um, it's it's it's such
Speaker 1: a trolly show. It trolls even harder than the Housewives.
Speaker 1: And I watched a few episodes yesterday and I smoked
Speaker 1: a bowl and I was like, this is the best thing.
Speaker 1: Only I'm still only in season one, but even from
Speaker 1: season I feel like once you get into I feel
Speaker 1: like once you get past like maybe the first episode
Speaker 1: and just like know the characters, I was on board. Um,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. I want to talk about this more. I
Speaker 1: Sudy sent me in mant of text yesterday saying, you
Speaker 1: guys have to start getting into Long Island. And I
Speaker 1: watched the first the first four episodes of season five.
Speaker 1: The current season in the UK, and it's truly phenomenal
Speaker 1: and I love it. And it's so they have real
Speaker 1: sex on it. I haven't seen any of the sex yet,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean there they all sleep in the
Speaker 1: same room, and and they and and they and so
Speaker 1: every round is a different iteration of the couples. So
Speaker 1: and then you know it's it's the it's the last
Speaker 1: couple to make it to the end wins like fifty
Speaker 1: thou pounds or something. But um, the interactions are so
Speaker 1: interesting to watch and you end up getting lost in
Speaker 1: these narratives that like are unfolding and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't go with that person. You're what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be with that. Like it really is literally what
Speaker 1: what reality television does, expertly crafted nonsense that makes you care. Literally.
Speaker 1: I watched one episode of the new season of The
Speaker 1: Bachelor of the other night with my sister and now
Speaker 1: I'm invested. Yes, yes, yes, these people are good at
Speaker 1: what they do. It's truly transcends all Like transcends to me,
Speaker 1: at least in my sort of narrow minded view of
Speaker 1: the world. Is like it transcends like racing class and
Speaker 1: every like. It truly it's like, well, that was what
Speaker 1: the real world was, remember, it was like it was
Speaker 1: like people talking about race and class and sexuality and
Speaker 1: like blah blah. It's like and it kind of works,
Speaker 1: It kind of works, but it's also like, what's it's
Speaker 1: also like a terrible ill society that's sort of gotten
Speaker 1: us into this horrible It works until the people in
Speaker 1: charge realize they can make more money by just heightening
Speaker 1: it to be trash. And that is why I think
Speaker 1: The Bachelor every season gets more and more trash, and
Speaker 1: what they're willing to condemn is less and less. Like,
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, Bachelor in parative should be
Speaker 1: fully canceled after there was a sexual harassment situation, but
Speaker 1: they realized that it gets a conversation going, and so
Speaker 1: they just makes them money. But this is what I
Speaker 1: this is what I like about vander Pump is that
Speaker 1: it starts out trash, but not just that I don't
Speaker 1: feel bad for anyone because and I was like explaining
Speaker 1: this to someone recently, um like a psychopath. It's like
Speaker 1: I feel like with most reality shows, either you are
Speaker 1: basically like gawking at poor people or gawking at rich people.
Speaker 1: A right man and in Vanderpump, it's like, these are
Speaker 1: people that are like in their twenties and thirties that
Speaker 1: are struggling actors in Los Angeles who do want to
Speaker 1: be on TVs, are hot, able bodied, privileged in the
Speaker 1: general sense, and that they are like, you know, straightforward
Speaker 1: the middle class, and you're just like, I feel okay
Speaker 1: being invested in their like cheating scandals and stuff, and
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm like, you know, exploiting someone
Speaker 1: who like shouldn't be on TV. You And it actually
Speaker 1: occasionally will happen when when a character comes in and
Speaker 1: I do feel bad for them or they're like clearly unstable,
Speaker 1: and then I'll really not like that because it takes
Speaker 1: me out of it. But that I think that because
Speaker 1: I can't watch the bad show. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I could get into it. I'm not above it, but
Speaker 1: like that is for me why I kind of stopped
Speaker 1: watching reality TV for literally like seven years. And then
Speaker 1: this was like the first thing that there was a
Speaker 1: point with after reality TV was born. It was like
Speaker 1: this we talked about Joe Millionaire the other like there
Speaker 1: was like Joe Millionaire, there was Survivor, there was American Idol,
Speaker 1: and then you saw all those things kind of succeed,
Speaker 1: and The Bachelor was a part of that too, and
Speaker 1: then all of those things I think got pushed to limits.
Speaker 1: Like like when American Idol was mean, it was truly,
Speaker 1: like dangerously mean, two people with like William Hung who
Speaker 1: had something going on developmentally, like what you could say.
Speaker 1: Also like the way the way they would do the
Speaker 1: eliminations was purely just cruel and it was just like
Speaker 1: I think reality TV in that in that moment where
Speaker 1: you stopped watching it, it got pushed so far back.
Speaker 1: Now it then got pulled back and now I think
Speaker 1: it is getting to the point where like we're almost
Speaker 1: there again where it's like, guys, it's rule of culture.
Speaker 1: Number of guys. Wait, I have a point that is
Speaker 1: very slippery and might be wrong. Here we go. I
Speaker 1: feel like good reality TV is gay camp and bad
Speaker 1: reality TV is straight camp. And I think straight camp
Speaker 1: embraces cruelty in a way that gay camp does not. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a great example. And we brought this example up
Speaker 1: before um Io Debris episode. Um were talked about Amro said,
Speaker 1: length this is the day that she got fired. Um
Speaker 1: Celebrity Apprentice, her, her and Pierce Morgan screaming in the
Speaker 1: back of a minivans um like Pierce Margan saying some
Speaker 1: racist at her and Rosa being like, well, you're you're
Speaker 1: in the closet and you're and you're gay and you
Speaker 1: haven't come out yet to your family and your wife
Speaker 1: hates you, and like it's that is straight camp and
Speaker 1: it's and Trump has the whole pall over that show too.
Speaker 1: It's just like gave birth to Trump. Let's just say that.
Speaker 1: So it's just like you look at that and you're like,
Speaker 1: that's dark and bad and there's nothing good that can
Speaker 1: come of this, whereas Bander Premproles, it's like, oh, Stosse
Speaker 1: is upset at jocks for cheating and this is pure
Speaker 1: season one stuff and behind Stacy's mantic jacks for getting
Speaker 1: a porn star pargnet in Vegas, Like that's fun. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. It's either fun. It's either fun
Speaker 1: or it's sucking dangerous. And I mean Trump is now dangerous,
Speaker 1: but I don't think so, Honey later actually has to
Speaker 1: do with politics. But the but the thing is like
Speaker 1: it's we see, like what the worst of this has
Speaker 1: literally given birth to and it's not funny. And and
Speaker 1: here's the thing, people who people who are trying to
Speaker 1: equate Marian Williamson with Trump. It's like, no, gay camp
Speaker 1: Trump is straight cap. That is absolutely true that Mary
Speaker 1: and Williamson is gay camp. Trump is straight cap. George
Speaker 1: is regretting this. No, sorry, I'm like replaying the moment
Speaker 1: earlier when where you I was like the real world,
Speaker 1: like talked about racing class and it really worked. And
Speaker 1: I just want to take that back because this is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, no, no, no, but George, it did.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is like they created something that was
Speaker 1: good for the world, and then when they realized it
Speaker 1: was more pause at it for them financially to push
Speaker 1: it to be let's put racists in here with people
Speaker 1: of color. They did that so we can't have nice things.
Speaker 1: But that that literally, that show was good for the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, Pedro, I mean the whole HIV like like narrative,
Speaker 1: and that's what I was kind of thinking when exactly so,
Speaker 1: I think the point does stand, which is like these things,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like it gets to an excess where
Speaker 1: you're like, guys, I just want to say for now.
Speaker 1: In um Love Island is very much day camp, even
Speaker 1: though it's they've only had hetero couples, but it's gay
Speaker 1: camp outside. Kay. So my sister watches um or watches
Speaker 1: the whole Bachelor thing. She's Bachelor Nation and she says
Speaker 1: that Bachelor and she goes to me, Bachelor in Paradise
Speaker 1: is having their first same sex couple. I said, let
Speaker 1: me guess, it's two women, she said, I said, let
Speaker 1: me guess. Um it was literally, they're both not contestants.
Speaker 1: One of them is a contestant, and they brought someone
Speaker 1: from off the show. She's like, yeah, So basically I
Speaker 1: was like, so they co opted like a real thing
Speaker 1: in the world and brought it in just so they
Speaker 1: could say, at us, same sex couple, and and they
Speaker 1: don't dare tip their toe into anything male male nose
Speaker 1: sodomy related at all, Like it's something being in a butt,
Speaker 1: just because I feel like Real world had so many
Speaker 1: gay men, right, but it's like Bachelor real World, yes,
Speaker 1: but because real world is like still niche like Reality
Speaker 1: and TV and Gendora. I mean it's awful. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is like like people were like, we need
Speaker 1: the gay Bachelor it's like, there will absolutely a percent
Speaker 1: be a lesbian bachelor red before there's a gay bachelor,
Speaker 1: because we talked about the setline on our Scott Thompson episode,
Speaker 1: but there is such a fear and disgust when it
Speaker 1: comes to anal sex, but sex between men. It's like,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I'm shocked we're seeing a
Speaker 1: mainstream presidential candidate that is gay before we're seeing a
Speaker 1: lesbian presidential candidate because I like you've seen even in media,
Speaker 1: like you've seen like like so many presidents that are
Speaker 1: women have like the powerful energy and like Cherry Jones
Speaker 1: played the president on twenty four and I feel like
Speaker 1: these kind of things that are accepted, like the kind
Speaker 1: of energy that a president has, Like if you had
Speaker 1: an effeminine male president, well it's you could never see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's because femininity is perceived right, and and that's
Speaker 1: that's that that's the whole problematic thing about it. And
Speaker 1: also like the straight men that like run the world
Speaker 1: can see through the male gaze if they're seeing like
Speaker 1: I don't when there's lesbians on television, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I get her because she likes women like me. Because
Speaker 1: women are hot, and actually I'm deciding this is hot. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: where it's like two men, they're like gross gross dud um.
Speaker 1: You ever you ever get into house lives. You never
Speaker 1: got into houseves. I got. I watched the first maybe
Speaker 1: two or three seasons of Beverly Hills, which is why
Speaker 1: I had some context. Really City Underpond and then dark Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: so that's the and that's why I stopped watching because
Speaker 1: I just like didn't like what it was doing to
Speaker 1: my psyche. But I will say when I think of
Speaker 1: and I've missed so much at this point that I
Speaker 1: just can't jump back in. But when I think of
Speaker 1: like the episode with the dinner party where there was
Speaker 1: like that woman who's a medium with the vape, like that,
Speaker 1: to me is one of the best episodes of telling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's delivered. Some of the best episodes.
Speaker 1: Is that episode is vander pump esque because it's just
Speaker 1: like the stakes are just high enough. Anyway, I was
Speaker 1: talking to I think I was talking to Ira Madison,
Speaker 1: Ray Sonny and Sambrasement about this. Like we were on
Speaker 1: like a little group chat called brav Hose because we
Speaker 1: all watched Bravo and they were saying that Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: used to be about like the cracks in the China,
Speaker 1: Like it was like the kind of it was really
Speaker 1: about Beverly Hills is really about like what we're hiding
Speaker 1: underneath the surface and what happens when those things really break,
Speaker 1: and that those are the people that think like the
Speaker 1: height of it was actually that those really dark times.
Speaker 1: And then they were saying, I think it was Ray
Speaker 1: that said Lisa Rinna broke Real Housewives of Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: because she came in with her like loud energy and
Speaker 1: confrontational style and it was no longer about like I
Speaker 1: don't agree with this. I think Ranna is Cannon and
Speaker 1: I'm Ranna. But um, I think that there was a
Speaker 1: moment where and maybe it was Renna coming on that
Speaker 1: made Beverly Hills less about what we hied and more
Speaker 1: about how we stitch it out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that New York is about
Speaker 1: joining the face of darkness because that's why I love
Speaker 1: New York. Well, that's an interest. Do you watch the
Speaker 1: classes in New York? It's something that you need to do.
Speaker 1: I know. No, that's what Tyler codes was saying that.
Speaker 1: He was like, you have to just watch all the
Speaker 1: reunions to catch up and then you can That's actually
Speaker 1: a really good way to do. That's a really smart
Speaker 1: way to catch up on the Housewives. He's a genius.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Tyler almost a shout out to Tyler
Speaker 1: Coats a genius, a genius. Um, there's been some there's
Speaker 1: been some really good reunion happenings lately. I loved I
Speaker 1: loved this. I'm caught up on the reunions. By the way,
Speaker 1: did you did you? Did you like, were you like
Speaker 1: a person that watched dramatic television or would you a
Speaker 1: reality TV kid? And then how to stop? Um, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. Let me think, Yeah, like in high
Speaker 1: school you mean, um, I mean it is the blind
Speaker 1: spots because we didn't get we didn't get the American
Speaker 1: reality shows. And I'm trying to think of like I
Speaker 1: would say, in college, I would occasionally watch like Kardashians.
Speaker 1: Was that college that they've been around for? Ye crazy,
Speaker 1: I've definitely like when people do you remember that moment
Speaker 1: where everyone was like the Kardashians are actually smart, just
Speaker 1: like Kim Kardashian is like during that time when I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe there's something to this like that, I
Speaker 1: would like watch Kardashians and and then oh you know what, Okay,
Speaker 1: So the one channel we would get in Greece was Eyes,
Speaker 1: which I love that channel, not that as in the
Speaker 1: one channel that had like reality so and which I
Speaker 1: think that's what Kardashians are on, right, so like so
Speaker 1: then I also would watch like things not like Denise
Speaker 1: Richards it's complicated or like things like that that were
Speaker 1: like because that is the only because we didn't get
Speaker 1: Bravo or what are the like VH one or so
Speaker 1: it was the only reality shows I watched other than
Speaker 1: like the Greek ones which also existed, were the e ones.
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch Nicole? No waed Anna? Nicole was
Speaker 1: a reality show that you'll never see again on television.
Speaker 1: Actually literally that is an example of it getting pushed on,
Speaker 1: And I do remember that, and that that was actually
Speaker 1: that I was still living in the States when that
Speaker 1: was on. I remember, um, yeah, I was. We were
Speaker 1: like yeah, she was like one of the earliest kind
Speaker 1: of pop culture figures. I remember just like kind of
Speaker 1: being obsessed with she was iconic. She was iconic. But
Speaker 1: now we know it's because it was for all the
Speaker 1: wrong reasons, but you and the way people treated I mean,
Speaker 1: just like anyway, um, I oh my god, wait never mind,
Speaker 1: sorry what are you looking at thinking? Because ray Sanny
Speaker 1: brought up something about um but it was but now
Speaker 1: I'm remembering that franchise was not on it it was
Speaker 1: on H one. What are you talking about? Um? The
Speaker 1: Flavor of Love Universe? Do you ever watch favor I'm
Speaker 1: familiar with and like I feel like I've watched things
Speaker 1: those people have been on or something like they also
Speaker 1: I remember like the roast of flavor Flavor yes, yes,
Speaker 1: m and like this is all yeah, this is also.
Speaker 1: This is actually what I wanted to talk about, was
Speaker 1: I think that we we have to establish like a
Speaker 1: code of conduct when it comes to someone being like
Speaker 1: to someone having a blind spot, because I've had just
Speaker 1: so many reactions to things that are like you haven't
Speaker 1: seen what, and like there needs to be like that
Speaker 1: needs to kick off like a protocol with like Okay,
Speaker 1: so when someone hasn't seen something that you are so
Speaker 1: like emphatically in love with or like that is so
Speaker 1: meaningful to you, what do you say? You go Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: you should watch it, and you should and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: convince you to watch it, like, like what do you do? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not going to change saying, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you need to watch this if it's a
Speaker 1: protocol thing in my and something that I need to
Speaker 1: know my behavior, and I'm not saying that's inherently a
Speaker 1: bad thing to do, but like, what, like what do
Speaker 1: we do beyond that to like I think we take
Speaker 1: them to a home with a television, We sit down
Speaker 1: and hold their hands. Well, what I would do with
Speaker 1: George is I would take him to my home. I
Speaker 1: would say you wait right here. I would go and
Speaker 1: get out the savinyond block. I would pour us both
Speaker 1: a glass and I'd say you can say whatever you want,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna sit over here on my bed. And
Speaker 1: then I would sit on my bed and he I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it would take him a while
Speaker 1: to get this is getting very hot. This is horny. Um. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: this actually reminds me of a time where I did
Speaker 1: have someone to come over my apartment and then I
Speaker 1: thought we were going to hook up. We ended up
Speaker 1: watching TV and I sat in the bed and they
Speaker 1: sat him in the and I was like, no, you
Speaker 1: didn't even sit next to each other. No, And it
Speaker 1: was it was just like it ended up being an
Speaker 1: it's fun time watching television, which is fine, which is fine,
Speaker 1: which is fine. That's okay, it's okay. What's your boy
Speaker 1: situation right now? Um? Wait, it's crazy that you asked
Speaker 1: me that because last or yesterday, which was famously my birthday,
Speaker 1: literally happy birthday. I also because of that, I'm in
Speaker 1: a very self reflective mood. Very good. What age did? Wow?
Speaker 1: You are young, aren't you? Guys? Literally my age? I'm
Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine? Okay, wow, but I can't believe you
Speaker 1: were twenties. Don't know you were young. I'm it's fucking cool.
Speaker 1: I don't mean a lot of people that are younger
Speaker 1: than me. O. Um what what's what's the self? Um wait? Noo?
Speaker 1: Boys don't I have? Like no, but no. The only
Speaker 1: the thing I was going to say is that my
Speaker 1: ex was at my birthday wearing the exact shirt Bowen
Speaker 1: is currently wearing, which I love, which is what the robin,
Speaker 1: which is the robin and the black or the white?
Speaker 1: It was the white. I bought it in the white
Speaker 1: almost about it in the white is what? So wait, okay,
Speaker 1: I this is not interesting, but I um was recently
Speaker 1: in London and I saw her in London, so it
Speaker 1: was incredible. And it was because so I think all
Speaker 1: the days she did in New York were at like
Speaker 1: it was no, no, no, no no, no, it was at
Speaker 1: some ballroom, was like at some smaller venue than Barclay's. Right,
Speaker 1: I thought it was Barclay's. I thought you did MSG
Speaker 1: a while ago and then came back to Barkley. We
Speaker 1: literally just right, but before these these shows that we saw,
Speaker 1: it was yes, yes, So the place so where I
Speaker 1: went to in London was a g A only venue,
Speaker 1: so it was perfect because I literally paid much less
Speaker 1: than anyone paid, you know, to see her, and I
Speaker 1: was like it like it was like people standing. I
Speaker 1: was like and I was like right in the middle,
Speaker 1: and it was like a just like probably one of
Speaker 1: the best trends on the concert going experience in my life.
Speaker 1: And it was also just like cool to see her
Speaker 1: in like a different country, like it for something really
Speaker 1: and it was my best friend lives in London, so
Speaker 1: it was like perfect, like I was visiting her anyway,
Speaker 1: but you were interned National right into your national fest.
Speaker 1: She's American, she's just married a British guy. She I like,
Speaker 1: she's a college friend. She married a British guy. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. He has a college friend who was American
Speaker 1: married a British man and he was raised in Greece. Hello,
Speaker 1: did you consider yourself a traveler? Um? Honestly no, because
Speaker 1: it's okay in this weird, counterintuitive way. I feel like
Speaker 1: I actually travel less than if I didn't have like
Speaker 1: non American parents, because the traveling I do is to
Speaker 1: visit my family family, and you can't really your options
Speaker 1: are limited. Yeah, Like I have a weird I was
Speaker 1: thinking of this today, Like I have such a weird
Speaker 1: guilt about all of us going to Fire Island this
Speaker 1: year because I don't actually take a lot of vacations
Speaker 1: that are not that I can't somehow combine with visiting
Speaker 1: family because everyone I see right now. So I have
Speaker 1: two younger sisters, so I'm very close to. One of
Speaker 1: them lives in California, one of them lives in Munich
Speaker 1: in Germany, and my parents are in um Luxembourg because
Speaker 1: they left grace like God, and so that's what everything
Speaker 1: is planned around. My life is so difficulty though. Wait, um,
Speaker 1: so how are you feeling emotional? Cut that out? What
Speaker 1: I already came. I made myself come with my own mode. Oh, readers,
Speaker 1: lets tell me what you think about this. Readers, here's mine,
Speaker 1: Here's mine. I don't like that. I was like, you
Speaker 1: smelled a beautiful pie. I'm not participating. Don't you want
Speaker 1: to have sex? If you want to have sex, you
Speaker 1: have to do sex. You have to send out the pheromones. Okay, America,
Speaker 1: as we've discussed as not ready for anal Yeah, to
Speaker 1: get them ready. We never had sex. Speaking of international fish,
Speaker 1: Little Max, Wait, hold on, I just want to really
Speaker 1: quickly put out there what Ray Sonny said and scholarly
Speaker 1: take on love Ray and she knows she has the
Speaker 1: scarly takes here. Here we go. She says, we would
Speaker 1: probably still be living in the Flavor of Love universe
Speaker 1: and wouldn't have love and hip hop if the psycho
Speaker 1: who made final three on Megan Wants a Millionaire didn't
Speaker 1: kill his girlfriend and himself. That's insane. Yeah, we might
Speaker 1: not have had Cardi B if it weren't for that
Speaker 1: man who murdered his girlfriend and interesting Ray famously, someone
Speaker 1: who told me she was coming to my birthday party
Speaker 1: and did not. Oh's you, guys, The only Matt of
Speaker 1: everyone that's been mentioned today is the only person who
Speaker 1: sent me a very nice message saying I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: can't I can't make it. And I was, but I
Speaker 1: did also said. I said, we're going to celebrate tomorrow. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I was saving my load. Fucking we're going to spend
Speaker 1: days together. Now, he's going to come all over you
Speaker 1: in the house. He was saving. We're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: be sitting on a on a wooden dock just watching
Speaker 1: the sunset. Are you excited about rock Hard? Are you
Speaker 1: excited about Fire Island? Okay, something I've never been. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be so you're gonna have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna like it's really what you may
Speaker 1: give it. I think we we're going at the good
Speaker 1: people that are our group. That's what I was. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like very safe and comfortable with everyone in
Speaker 1: our house. It's fun to go down to what is
Speaker 1: it called high TI or low TI. And I also
Speaker 1: feel like I don't feel since I you guys have
Speaker 1: been so many times and I've never been. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like embarrassed or insecure about not knowing, like I
Speaker 1: feel like with all of you, I can be like
Speaker 1: tell me what should I do to like what are
Speaker 1: we doing today? And just like follow along and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be posted up by the pool laying in the sun.
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking. I love that, my, my, my, already.
Speaker 1: My favorite part of the trip is sunsets, sunset on
Speaker 1: the on the dock and just dangling your legs over
Speaker 1: the water with your friends and taking a picture in
Speaker 1: Golden hour. Um, wait, okay, this, I hope this is funny.
Speaker 1: But my hope this is funny. When I was and
Speaker 1: I can't believe I keep bring him up, but when
Speaker 1: I was dating my ex, his dad had this thing
Speaker 1: with sunsets where he was so intense about everyone's eyes
Speaker 1: being at the sun right at the moment when it
Speaker 1: goes to the point where it became like a traumatic.
Speaker 1: It's like then everyone in his family actually like associated
Speaker 1: sunsets with stress because they would think of his dad
Speaker 1: just being like, don't take your eyes up the sunset.
Speaker 1: Don't take your eyes up the sunset like that. That's
Speaker 1: really that's literally straight camp. You have to stare up
Speaker 1: the sunset. Don't tell me he's a very sweet man.
Speaker 1: But no, I just found that very funny. I don't
Speaker 1: think he sounds sweet at all. He's canceled and you
Speaker 1: have you The way you have put portrayed him on
Speaker 1: this podcast is not so sweet. I don't think I
Speaker 1: like you talking about this X Yeah, I will stop.
Speaker 1: I I am. I need to talk about my extent.
Speaker 1: Not only did I talked about him twice in this podcast,
Speaker 1: I talked about him before we started recording with your producer.
Speaker 1: I just looked down on my phone and I had
Speaker 1: a text from my act I love that. So this
Speaker 1: is the point um in the in the show George,
Speaker 1: where we asked the question what was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you? And we've discussed
Speaker 1: a lot of your formative culture or lack thereof, but
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear what you what you think looking
Speaker 1: back on yourself, was this culture that made you say
Speaker 1: maybe culture? Wait? Okay, I have a really good answer
Speaker 1: for Oh, no one ever really said lead with that
Speaker 1: because I was first of all, I was I'm so,
Speaker 1: I was so unprepared for this. I was like walking
Speaker 1: here and I was like, wait, funk I have to
Speaker 1: do and I don't think so, but then it just
Speaker 1: like came to me, So I'll just say what it is. Um,
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with the Olympics growing up, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't right, yes, so this is what. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: as a surprise to no one. It's not the sporting
Speaker 1: events that really got me, but it's like the pageant
Speaker 1: and the kind of like anyway, So so my thing
Speaker 1: is that in two thousand four they were in Athens
Speaker 1: and it was the first time they were back in
Speaker 1: Greece since the first modern Olympics. And I went to
Speaker 1: the opening ceremony. Wow. And so that to me and okay,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if you literally I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: I still occasionally watch it on YouTube. The Athens opening
Speaker 1: cerements describe it. So it is basically a very like
Speaker 1: What I love about it is that it is obviously
Speaker 1: pure spectacle. I mean, it is an opening ceremony of
Speaker 1: the Olympics, but it is the most kind of and
Speaker 1: I hate to use the word tasteful because it kind
Speaker 1: of has like weird cultural connotations, which but it's like
Speaker 1: the most minimalist version of a spectacle in a way.
Speaker 1: That's like both meant for Greek people watching and meant
Speaker 1: to kind of export certain cultural elements outward into the world,
Speaker 1: which is what it shouldn't be. And basically it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it starts with all this kind of gorgeous imagery, like
Speaker 1: you go, you went into the stadium and the bottom
Speaker 1: was filled with water kind of, And so it starts
Speaker 1: with this giant paper like oregony is not the right word,
Speaker 1: but like a you know, a folded paper sailboat. So
Speaker 1: it's like this giant paper sail but which is a
Speaker 1: very Greek thing. It's like a thing that like Greek
Speaker 1: grandfathers will like make out of a napkin or something
Speaker 1: and give us like and there's like a Japanese people
Speaker 1: invented foldings. Um. I was the other day I was
Speaker 1: thinking about when we were at somewhere was that Max's party,
Speaker 1: and at someone I was just like, I want to
Speaker 1: tattoo of an origami sailboat. And then everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Oh I do remember you saying
Speaker 1: that anyway, because I would love that, thank you. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so it starts with that, and what I meant was
Speaker 1: that kind of and so it's and then there's like
Speaker 1: a little Greek kid waving a Greek flag, and then
Speaker 1: there's like this other thing where like these this giant
Speaker 1: statue here is out of nowhere, and then it breaks
Speaker 1: into a like seven pieces, and then inside it is
Speaker 1: a statue of like the next iteration of Greek statues.
Speaker 1: So it starts with like a minimalist kind of like face.
Speaker 1: Then it's like the like a body with like the
Speaker 1: limbs missing kind of like Middle period or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then it's like something more complex, so it's like the
Speaker 1: history of like Greek sculpture. And so then the main
Speaker 1: event is that there was basically almost like a parade
Speaker 1: with floats kind of of Greek art starting with like
Speaker 1: the earliest Greek art all the way to like present
Speaker 1: day and it you know, there were there were like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of shirtless men painted like gray that
Speaker 1: had like that looked like you know, Greek statues or whatever.
Speaker 1: Then there was like famously, the first person to appear
Speaker 1: was this woman who was kind of like a goddess
Speaker 1: of fertility type and she had like her boobs out,
Speaker 1: but they were painted like like completely white with like
Speaker 1: black nipples, so it looked very kind of surreal um
Speaker 1: and and it was just I mean, think of the
Speaker 1: simplest thing is just literally like a collection like a parade,
Speaker 1: a floats. So it's so simple, but it just says
Speaker 1: so it's it tells like the entire history of like
Speaker 1: the Greek civilization. Um. And So the other thing is
Speaker 1: that I realized much later that it is directed by
Speaker 1: this Greek choreographer who is queer and so and it
Speaker 1: kind of like clicked, and I was like, all of
Speaker 1: this is so queer. It is the most queer possible.
Speaker 1: First of all, Greek culture itself is so gay in
Speaker 1: a way that's like so obvious, and there's such a
Speaker 1: sense of denial about it in any kind of like
Speaker 1: mainstream Greek like conversations about it, which is so frustrating,
Speaker 1: like all the famous like Greek artists, Greek poets. It's
Speaker 1: like there's so much queerness in that stuff and no
Speaker 1: one addressed it anyway. That's a whole other topic. But
Speaker 1: but the guy that anyway, So yeah, so this guy
Speaker 1: uh is queer. And another person who was on the
Speaker 1: creative team of the production was Yogos Lankimos, so crazy
Speaker 1: like as a young he was probably like in his
Speaker 1: I don't know, thirties twenties, you and I have so interesting,
Speaker 1: um so, and another one is this, oh god, I
Speaker 1: even forgetting her name. Athena something, who's another who then
Speaker 1: went on to become a famous Greek director as well
Speaker 1: and did a lot of kind of like movies that
Speaker 1: were that are in this um have you seen dog Tooth?
Speaker 1: It's Alms. It's like Lanthimos is first movie that was
Speaker 1: nominated for the Foreign Film Oscar, so he kind of
Speaker 1: exists in the same vein as her. Of like it
Speaker 1: was called the Greek weird Wave, and it was like
Speaker 1: a series of movies and kind of like basically during
Speaker 1: the beginning of the Greek financial crisis that we're dealing
Speaker 1: with it from a very like um kind of like
Speaker 1: crazy surrealist perspective. Just I mean it's like dog Tooth,
Speaker 1: it's like, um just very just like strange and fucked
Speaker 1: up story rights as a way to deal with like
Speaker 1: the procarity of the financial crisis. I'm not articulating this well,
Speaker 1: but like that's basically what it was anyway. So she
Speaker 1: was on the creative team as well, and it just
Speaker 1: like obviously I didn't understand a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: as a however old I was, But it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that you responded to. Why I didn't say
Speaker 1: what the best part was? Are you ready for this?
Speaker 1: It all builds up to b York. Yes, I remember
Speaker 1: this getting and you know, getting in there, and then
Speaker 1: she's in the red she know she was, and then
Speaker 1: unfolding address that covers the entire stadium that what that is?
Speaker 1: I do not remember? Oh my god, yeah I remember,
Speaker 1: Sorry I read things something different? Um, yes, because I
Speaker 1: was like there's there's like there's isn't there something with
Speaker 1: cloth or something that was? And then connection that she
Speaker 1: had to Greece. It was I think it was just
Speaker 1: that the people organizing this just really good taste, just
Speaker 1: like this. And she sang a song that was called
Speaker 1: like Oceania, which is from I can't remember which elements from,
Speaker 1: but but it's obviously a song about the ocean. So
Speaker 1: it's like in like whatever, um, but but I mean
Speaker 1: for it to end with that, just like do we
Speaker 1: remember was that a Phelps moment? That was his first?
Speaker 1: It might have been it might have been his first.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, was he in Sydney? He was not in Sydney.
Speaker 1: I think Athens was his first. Beijing was like like
Speaker 1: Beijing in London, where like Peak, I want to say, yes,
Speaker 1: I feel like every was like the beginning. Every Summer
Speaker 1: Olympics is like divine defined by a specific hot swimmer, right,
Speaker 1: like there was Ian Thorpe from Australia and then there
Speaker 1: was like Ryan ry of it all was something we
Speaker 1: tried to get behind so hard and then we all
Speaker 1: had to be like, no fail, there was was there
Speaker 1: like a hot swimmer for for Brazil that like, yeah
Speaker 1: it was it was Ryan Locktey because remember he got
Speaker 1: in all that trouble, like that wasn't his. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like a star is born. Like they truly tried to
Speaker 1: make it. They tried to make it his moment because
Speaker 1: it was like kind of no longer Ryan, I mean
Speaker 1: Michael felt but then when he turned out to be
Speaker 1: such a true idiot. Yeah, like we all had to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, never mind me not only a national
Speaker 1: embarrassment and I'll never forget the iconic culture that is
Speaker 1: Al Roker being like on the Today's Show. I think
Speaker 1: it was like fully Matt Lower being like you know,
Speaker 1: give him, give him a break, and Roker was literally
Speaker 1: like no, yeah, yeah, we're not going to give him
Speaker 1: a break. Fucked up. And then him on third year
Speaker 1: was that after London was that after that was? That
Speaker 1: was when he had goodwill and he was like in
Speaker 1: on the joke and it made you like him for
Speaker 1: him to be like to be called the sex Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Um. I actually think his reality show may
Speaker 1: have been on the Roers Ryan I was still on
Speaker 1: the Yes, Ryan Lafty did, and I believe he was
Speaker 1: also on some reality show that was like watch them
Speaker 1: fuck sort of right, just watch them like literally anything
Speaker 1: anything with like dealist celebrity is in a house where
Speaker 1: they're all like hot and barely famous. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a watch them, this is a show. We're
Speaker 1: gonna like watch two of them like sort of flirt
Speaker 1: for a little while and then we're going to be
Speaker 1: like Moon date book. And this is the intelligence that
Speaker 1: Bone was talking about, is that you just I'm serious
Speaker 1: And this is what I love about your sense of
Speaker 1: humor is that that is such a mad thing to
Speaker 1: say that you just summed up all of that with
Speaker 1: that's so watching them, Well, I accept that. There you go.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's great. To know that I
Speaker 1: have a voice. Huh, it's actually really culture number eleven.
Speaker 1: It's great to know that I have a voice. Uh, George,
Speaker 1: I relate to you watching the opening ceremonies on YouTube
Speaker 1: very hard because I do that for Beijing all the time.
Speaker 1: I did not have the privilege of being there like
Speaker 1: you were, but oh my god, you were there that
Speaker 1: it was like I mean, I would say to this day,
Speaker 1: like you know, when I think of any kind of
Speaker 1: live performance, like it was also like a lot of
Speaker 1: first I mean it's literally that was the first live
Speaker 1: musical performance, like the first quote unquote concert. So the
Speaker 1: idea that like, as a you know, eleven twelve year old,
Speaker 1: the first person I ever saw live was York It's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, street cred for yourself so silly
Speaker 1: because I did not have like I was not um
Speaker 1: like in the middle one high school, someone who was
Speaker 1: like Indian head sophisticated taste like at all like I
Speaker 1: had I was. I mean, obviously I had all these
Speaker 1: blind spots was one reason. But I also just like
Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't that deep a thinker? The sure sure
Speaker 1: who was the first live concert you saw? Finally, finally,
Speaker 1: enough Imagine and Heat. Was it really paramount theater in Denver?
Speaker 1: I mean, I like my parents didn't really let me
Speaker 1: go to I beg every year to go to see
Speaker 1: Blank Oneitdo or something. Parents to be like no um.
Speaker 1: And then Image and Heat. I went with a bunch
Speaker 1: of a bunch of friends from high school and loved it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's great, It's great, it's great live. Yeah. My first
Speaker 1: concert was Maria right that and I this reads for
Speaker 1: all of us in a deep way. I just want
Speaker 1: to say, sure this you seeing b York, thank you
Speaker 1: and me Mariah Carey love that. I love how that
Speaker 1: reads for all that. I love you know. Which opening
Speaker 1: ceremony I I rewatch a lot is London because I'm
Speaker 1: so that they made Spice such a huge part of it. Well,
Speaker 1: that was closing ceremonies, was it, Spices were closing ceremonies.
Speaker 1: Clothing is always like more fun like because I also
Speaker 1: went to the closing ceremony Nethans and that was like
Speaker 1: also super enjoyable because they brought out like all the
Speaker 1: basically like all of the famous Greek musicians and pop
Speaker 1: stars and they were exactly they were all the and
Speaker 1: like my favorite there's a Greek pop star named on
Speaker 1: a VC. She's kind of like the Madonna of Greece.
Speaker 1: And actually Theta ham Will also really loves um and
Speaker 1: we've bonded over but um so they brought her out
Speaker 1: and they were all these kind of like older women,
Speaker 1: kind of like sophisticated women that were like they made
Speaker 1: a mockery of like how they brought out pop stars.
Speaker 1: This is Athens, like this is the Olympic Games, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's gotta
Speaker 1: be fun for everyone. And I think that's like part
Speaker 1: of why they brought the Spice Girls out at those ceremonies,
Speaker 1: because it's truly, like, it's so funny to me that,
Speaker 1: like the United Kingdom, it was like, okay, we have
Speaker 1: like only so much to do, we have and we're
Speaker 1: going to give the Spice Girls ten minutes. And they
Speaker 1: came out and rode around on top of cars and
Speaker 1: they were like, get up out of your check. Was
Speaker 1: it all five of them? It was all five of them.
Speaker 1: I hate when it's not all it's literally it's not
Speaker 1: all five honestly, just like punched me in the face.
Speaker 1: It's never going to be all five of them never again, obviously.
Speaker 1: But the thing is like, and I get it, like
Speaker 1: her reason for not wanting to do it is like, literally,
Speaker 1: if you could boil it down to one sentences, you guys,
Speaker 1: I can't sing. It's just she doesn't want to do
Speaker 1: it anymore after doing it for that long. Like I
Speaker 1: get that she's busy with other stuff, but it's like
Speaker 1: she knows she's bad at it. Well she also so
Speaker 1: it's not just I mean, yes, it's literal singing, but
Speaker 1: it's also like I don't think she likes performing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think she likes being on a stage and
Speaker 1: entertaining people. When I was watching the performance, which i've
Speaker 1: I've actually watched it a bunch lately because they are
Speaker 1: a gag to me, like the Spice Girls. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's just so funny to watch Posh execute choreo because
Speaker 1: she's doing it, but she's obviously so on autopilot. And
Speaker 1: I realized, like when you look back at the Spice Girls,
Speaker 1: which I believe we talked about this on our episode
Speaker 1: with Korean and Christina, but my favorite thing about Posh
Speaker 1: always is how over it she was and how little
Speaker 1: she did. Like there's that iconic scene in Spice World
Speaker 1: where they're doing the obstacle course and the reveal that
Speaker 1: she's just just walking around the side, Like I love that.
Speaker 1: I think it is so funny, just like the like
Speaker 1: couldn't be bothered nous of it, Like I love that
Speaker 1: about her, And so now for her to be like
Speaker 1: I'm actually not coming, it's almost like, yeah, her home. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: it's so funny that we're talking about the Space Girls
Speaker 1: because literally my second choice of what I was going
Speaker 1: to bring up as my thing, but I was like,
Speaker 1: people have done that and it actually we've actually only
Speaker 1: talked about it once and for some reason cosmically, I
Speaker 1: think probably because this happened in astrology. Um, I have
Speaker 1: been watching a lot of Spice Girls media on YouTube lately,
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of re obsessed with the whole Jerry, Like,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy to me that she just up and
Speaker 1: did that, and now they're still they will still all
Speaker 1: gladly sit down and do long interviews about it, like
Speaker 1: and now the reveal that like Scary Spice Melby and
Speaker 1: Ginger Spice story how Abell hooked up, Like do you
Speaker 1: believe that? Yeah? I believe Okay, wait, I think they
Speaker 1: ate each other's and think that's what they did. I
Speaker 1: think they ate each other's pussy, and then they were like, hi,
Speaker 1: see yeah, I think they went. I think they went, hi,
Speaker 1: see you keep smelling that damn pie, dam bird. We
Speaker 1: should say on the pod. My mom texted me and
Speaker 1: she said, this is this is separate, this is mom culture.
Speaker 1: Could Christina, I mean, oh my god, Christie, that's my
Speaker 1: aunt Trina Claritas Rogers texted me and said, I was
Speaker 1: on the beach eating a sandwich and a bird came
Speaker 1: and snatched up myself. A single came and snatched up
Speaker 1: my sandwich. Damn period no no no space exclamation point
Speaker 1: space space, damn bird smelled d A m M. So
Speaker 1: now whenever we we are never me and Bowen are
Speaker 1: just never there's too much silence, will just turned to
Speaker 1: each other and go, dam bird. I think it goes
Speaker 1: on a shirt. I think it goes I think it
Speaker 1: goes on it's it's it's merch da bird. Wow. I
Speaker 1: think it's time. Is it time? It's time? It might
Speaker 1: be time for I don't think so, honey. So you
Speaker 1: did not come prepared, but do you have something now?
Speaker 1: I thought I thought of sunning. But it's just not
Speaker 1: gonna be. I mean, listen, I've done two of these before,
Speaker 1: and if I do say so myself, did you always
Speaker 1: do an amazing job and in fact, as the kids say, you,
Speaker 1: in fact slay and go off queen queen. But it
Speaker 1: will be kind of a more rough, a rough one.
Speaker 1: But all right, So I have mine and I classically
Speaker 1: do go first. I have mine, and but classically macus first.
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey, George Conway,
Speaker 1: leave your fucking wife. She is a troublodyte broom thank
Speaker 1: you Bowen Yang, who is literally aiding in the betting
Speaker 1: and helping at all costs to her soul the president
Speaker 1: of the United States. And I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: You getting on your fucking Twitter and being like Trump
Speaker 1: this Trump that fuck Trump Trump. You know how you
Speaker 1: send a message leave your fucking wife, who is a monster.
Speaker 1: I cannot take you seriously at all. And I really
Speaker 1: fucking hate this public battle that you're having with your wife.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Fucking work it out at
Speaker 1: home or fucking send a message that you don't support
Speaker 1: this by walking out on her because she is at
Speaker 1: all all costs trying to keep him in office and
Speaker 1: she hurts people. You are a fucking weak person, and
Speaker 1: don't think that we're respecting you for getting on your
Speaker 1: Twitter and then being like low key, we don't talk
Speaker 1: about it at all. Fuck you leave Kelly and Conway,
Speaker 1: who is viciously evil. I don't think that's one minute.
Speaker 1: So um, that's that's that's You're going after both of them.
Speaker 1: But you're telling me I don't. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: even appropriate to do. I don't think it's only Kelly
Speaker 1: and Conway because it's such evil and it's such it's
Speaker 1: such like racist trash. But this guy action is for
Speaker 1: George to leave. Yeah. Hello, It's like you're telling me
Speaker 1: you can respect her. You're telling me you can go
Speaker 1: home with her every day. You guys raised children together.
Speaker 1: What is going on? It's disgusting. And when she asked
Speaker 1: that reporter, what's your ethnicity? If that's what we're at
Speaker 1: in this country, which it obviously is, and you can
Speaker 1: go home every day with your fucking dignity, get out
Speaker 1: of that. It's the fact that she has a significant
Speaker 1: spouse who is in the public figure who is so
Speaker 1: against the administrat Like that's that's what's bumping, and that
Speaker 1: is the reality television that I am not signing up
Speaker 1: for because it's not a fucking joke like any any
Speaker 1: any other any other you know, person on his staff
Speaker 1: like like like their significant others are like fine, like
Speaker 1: as long as they're on the same I'm bublically hashing
Speaker 1: this out. I assume that they're all kind of like
Speaker 1: co signing it and as long as like and like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like it goes beyond Like we don't
Speaker 1: talk about politics at home. It's like we're beyond that
Speaker 1: at this point, Like it is personal. And I'm so
Speaker 1: tired of going on Twitter and seeing his seeing his
Speaker 1: stuff retweeted. It's like that's her husband, you guys, Like no,
Speaker 1: and honestly, yeah, like I guess I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess some people take their fucking vows pretty seriously. That's
Speaker 1: a little too serious for me. Okay, wow, Wow, I
Speaker 1: have nothing to add if you did us something that
Speaker 1: do you know what? As we were talking about an
Speaker 1: email that was like I'm doing this. I won't say
Speaker 1: what show it is, but I'm doing some show where
Speaker 1: like there's like a producer and an assistant and whatever
Speaker 1: and it's like a whole fucking thing and they're and
Speaker 1: they're like it's sold out. We're so excited and it's
Speaker 1: like a big And I just got an email from
Speaker 1: the head person that was like, if anyone has a camera,
Speaker 1: we can borrow to film the show, like let us know,
Speaker 1: asking the comedian. Comedian. So just like your job is
Speaker 1: nothing is real, Like it's just like nothing is actually serious. No,
Speaker 1: well this, well politics is serious, and our national situation
Speaker 1: actually is very serious. Okay, that's why I do my
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. So now it's time and
Speaker 1: his time will as a matter of fact, and it
Speaker 1: will start right now. I don't think so. Any Snapple facts,
Speaker 1: which it's the information age, and you are not pulling
Speaker 1: your weight, honey. I don't need to know that snails
Speaker 1: don't sleep. I'm just making them up. I mean, any
Speaker 1: any little tidbit, little bite of copy that's on like
Speaker 1: a rapper or a cap I don't you know what
Speaker 1: someone gets paid to do that, and that there's that
Speaker 1: should not be a job anymore. And there's there's no
Speaker 1: use for me to read off a Dove chocolate wrapper
Speaker 1: of some positive affirmation. For someone to walk away from
Speaker 1: one of these caps or rappers and think that they've
Speaker 1: that their day has been improved, that they've they've walked
Speaker 1: away with some earned extra knowledge or something that then
Speaker 1: they leave, they lead an unfulfilled life. And I think
Speaker 1: they have to find the other fifteen of knowledge of
Speaker 1: insight in books. We have to return to books. And
Speaker 1: until you can print a whole book on a Snapple
Speaker 1: cap or a Dove chocolate rapper, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: those little copywriter people just typing away and getting a paycheck.
Speaker 1: My problem is they're not all facts. They're not necessarily
Speaker 1: all true. And this is and I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come from my own culture. Fortune cookies, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: What are you doing? It's not all fortunes? Okay? What
Speaker 1: about Chipotle cups? Cups? I love it because sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: sometimes it'll be by George Saunders, or sometimes it'll be
Speaker 1: by you know, fucking some you know Sarah vowel right
Speaker 1: of the paragraph on a Chipotle cup and will be like, yes, work, Sarah,
Speaker 1: get that check. See the thing is like you never
Speaker 1: know when you open a fortune cookie whether you're getting
Speaker 1: a fortune or something. That's a little kind of adage. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Anyway, if that, if my
Speaker 1: reference of George Saunders and Sara Vow was a intelluxtory superior,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to you feel that way, but um, you
Speaker 1: know that's that's just like George. There's two Georges. Meant
Speaker 1: George Conway and George Spectrum. When I started my I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, and said I don't think so, honey, George,
Speaker 1: And before I said the last name, were you nervous? Yes,
Speaker 1: I thought, well not nervous. I mean I thought we
Speaker 1: were gonna make a joke about something I said during
Speaker 1: the episode, and I was like, no, what did I
Speaker 1: say that? What you think? What do you think people
Speaker 1: would do? And I don't think so, honey, George, Sara's
Speaker 1: about oh um, roast yourself. Well, I mean, let's see,
Speaker 1: I really thinking about it. No, I am, because there's
Speaker 1: an obvious one and I don't want to say it.
Speaker 1: And the obvious one is that I've spent a year
Speaker 1: talking about a breakup and I know, I know. But
Speaker 1: then the other thing is I feel like I talk
Speaker 1: about everything I talked in this episode, Like I talked
Speaker 1: about being Greek a lot, so what I talk about.
Speaker 1: People also get mad when I'm like, this is my
Speaker 1: friend from grad school. And then they're like, okay, grad school,
Speaker 1: that's a problem. That's a problem with them. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you suppled to say that's my friend
Speaker 1: not from grad school? It's happening to me yesterday anyway, whatever,
Speaker 1: but who was? Fuck everyone else? It's actually full of
Speaker 1: culture number two, Fuck everyone else. Sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: say things with an extra flavor. Come on with the
Speaker 1: flavor and George, are you ready whatever? Yes, I'm ready, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is yeah, let's we'll see how it goes. We'll
Speaker 1: see how goes. This is George. I think so many
Speaker 1: time starts. Now, I don't think so, honey. People who
Speaker 1: call their own opinions unpopular, okay, you have an unpopular opinion.
Speaker 1: How some verses how grave? Okay, let's call it the
Speaker 1: New York Review of Books. Someone has to write an
Speaker 1: op ed about their controversial favorite ice cream flavor. Shall
Speaker 1: we get a fireside chat going at the New School
Speaker 1: with Masha guess seconds um And while we're at it,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People who say, what's your
Speaker 1: hottest take about x Y? What is your hottest take
Speaker 1: about queer video game characters? Bitch kill you? Um, that's
Speaker 1: all I have to say. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: People who call their own opinions unpopular. It's true. It's
Speaker 1: like they're it's like this ing of like when people
Speaker 1: step forward and say I'm a singer, it's like I'll
Speaker 1: judge that, Oh yeah, you better sing first, and then
Speaker 1: we'll say, if you're a singer, unpopular opinion, Oh you
Speaker 1: know after I hear it. But um, and this is
Speaker 1: I was gonna say how popular it is with me?
Speaker 1: Unpopular opinion is another way of saying Devil's advocate. And
Speaker 1: I was going to say Devil's advocate. Is it just
Speaker 1: a way? A little bit? It's self awareness to be like,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm about to say is like not great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna turn some heads with this. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also like you know, um, defining what you think
Speaker 1: in terms of what other people think, which is already
Speaker 1: is actually a week position to take. Like it's just
Speaker 1: like I don't respect your intellectual project because it doesn't
Speaker 1: stem from an actual belief. It stems from you wanting
Speaker 1: to be contrarian. But let's say we're sitting in a circle,
Speaker 1: we're just cracking jokes, and you know, one of us says,
Speaker 1: bad joke or bad pitch blah blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and I hate you hate that. I hate
Speaker 1: this is a bad blank but I really don't like
Speaker 1: it because because it's like, now I'm ready for this
Speaker 1: bad thing. Yes, but it's also it's also sort of
Speaker 1: a defensive, a defensive thing for the person saying it
Speaker 1: to be like, I understand that this is not my
Speaker 1: best right, but I mean, I guess, I guess. Then
Speaker 1: I don't like the atmosphere that allows that, because I
Speaker 1: think that we should just understand that all things are pitches,
Speaker 1: and I think we should we should not just like
Speaker 1: demands an atmosphere where everything comes in perfect, because literally
Speaker 1: nothing ever is. I always say, which is am I
Speaker 1: getting read? I'm always like what? No, I'm just like
Speaker 1: this is something that really bothers me, Like this this
Speaker 1: idea that like we're not in a room that's supposed
Speaker 1: to be creative together, like we're all supposed to get
Speaker 1: here and like already know exactly like you don't know?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah, now I am. I do that all
Speaker 1: the time, and I hate it in myself and it's
Speaker 1: like and I would I always say it would just
Speaker 1: so awful is I'll be like, let's say we're like
Speaker 1: brainstorming title for you know, this podcast, and I'm like
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, um, what about okay, not this?
Speaker 1: But and then I'll say something because I want to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, in this direction, but I haven't
Speaker 1: actually thought of like, well, I kind of like not this,
Speaker 1: but because it's like it's saying I'm pitching an area
Speaker 1: for us to go, not well, this is really bad
Speaker 1: and I'm not even sorry for saying it, but like
Speaker 1: it's like, no, this is like you been too many words,
Speaker 1: so I was, so you don't hate it when people
Speaker 1: say that you hate the it's it's as you said before,
Speaker 1: just you don't like the environment that encourages that. I
Speaker 1: hate these sort of like self indulgent thing of like
Speaker 1: so this is gonna be really bad, but I don't
Speaker 1: like that. And I also think that is a The
Speaker 1: reason that exists is because someone are scared and there's
Speaker 1: been an impression that like you better come with the
Speaker 1: perfect thing, right, and I think, like, not this, But
Speaker 1: there is a difference there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like putting saying not this, but is putting clay
Speaker 1: on the table and then you're gonna mold it into
Speaker 1: something that's gonna be good. Exactly, exactly exactly. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: all comes down to I guess how creative environment are run. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: now I really really is. If you can tell by
Speaker 1: my little moans my phone eating got really horny this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I think that. Well, the good news is we
Speaker 1: are literally leaving for a fire island and three days
Speaker 1: it's going to come everywhere sexually active? Do you guys
Speaker 1: want to be very I actually have not decided like
Speaker 1: or not just that, but like I haven't decided what
Speaker 1: kind of experience I'm trying to manifest. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I want to fall in love. I
Speaker 1: don't know either, Georgia laughs, I don't know either. But
Speaker 1: what else can I reveal? I'm seeing someone since when?
Speaker 1: Since recently? Okay? But then is this and I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want a couple people literally kicking your legs.
Speaker 1: If I haven't seen this, is this a recent development
Speaker 1: that was there a conversation that was recently had there
Speaker 1: was like a little tiny thing said that I'm just
Speaker 1: saying in my own brain like, well, I guess what,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to that, man, I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 1: I even had plans tonight to see someone else and
Speaker 1: I think I have TEX and be like, actually, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's not I'm not interested in that. That's crazy. That's
Speaker 1: so cool. I feel bad for that person a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I mean, yeah, but the thing is like he
Speaker 1: has to bite the bullet for the greater good of
Speaker 1: the world, which which yes, and the greater good for
Speaker 1: the world and you being with someone in to an
Speaker 1: exclusive level precludes But the thing is it's not even
Speaker 1: exclusive because we haven't discussed it being exclusive. I'm just
Speaker 1: deciding for myself. I'm actually cool. I actually don't need it,
Speaker 1: and I think that's actually going to make Fire Island
Speaker 1: way more pleasant and taking it off the table helps
Speaker 1: me so much. What you're describing is so that is
Speaker 1: exactly what I would like. That is such a me thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just being like we don't have to excuse to not
Speaker 1: have the anxiety, and honestly, once you take that anxiety
Speaker 1: off the table. You actually, I'm going to say, are
Speaker 1: free because and I honestly think I wish that it
Speaker 1: didn't have to be. Well, I'm sort of seeing someone
Speaker 1: now to to do that, because I honestly think, I
Speaker 1: honestly think I have been more comfortable in spaces where
Speaker 1: sex was on the table, or like dating was on
Speaker 1: the table. When I've literally said I don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you got to throw the deuce is up
Speaker 1: in the air and say I actually don't care. And
Speaker 1: it is cosmic. It is a cosmic thing. Your energy
Speaker 1: is more inviting then when you're like tens Mortimer, Hello,
Speaker 1: do you sorry? How do you um? I'll read? I
Speaker 1: want to just really swerve the narrative back in my direction.
Speaker 1: Come on, take it, bitch. I want to fall in love. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can, you do, and you should and you deserve.
Speaker 1: I just had this, you know where I'm at, where
Speaker 1: I just had this this really intense thing recently in
Speaker 1: the last couple of days that I'm just like I
Speaker 1: just want to like sort of like wash, you don't
Speaker 1: want it. I don't think I want it? Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: How what are like, how do you go about like
Speaker 1: when we're all there together, are there opportunities? Yes? Like
Speaker 1: well absolutely yes, Just like what would what would an
Speaker 1: ideal uh narrative look like for you? Of like, where
Speaker 1: would you want to meet someone? How do you want
Speaker 1: it to happen? Be anywhere? Literally describe your dream date
Speaker 1: scenario at Fire Island? Okay, go, um, you know maybe
Speaker 1: we're sharing a substance and something to tell your grandkids. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and then we talk and we go for what. I
Speaker 1: literally don't. I don't have any sort of parameters on this.
Speaker 1: I just want to fall no, you know what. And
Speaker 1: here's what I think happen at any moment, especially real
Speaker 1: culture number twelve, happen at any moment. Well, I'm just
Speaker 1: like I for some reason, I'm divorcing the love part
Speaker 1: from the sex part. I don't think I need to
Speaker 1: have sex with anybody because I get you don't because
Speaker 1: I've done it on fire. It's that was awful and
Speaker 1: I did not get anything out of that. There's this like, um,
Speaker 1: what's the shape of a chart I'm thinking of when
Speaker 1: it's like when there are Yeah, it's like, well, it's
Speaker 1: like when there are when there are two, there's like
Speaker 1: a sweet spot of like just enough kind of a
Speaker 1: horny game in around me where I am then also
Speaker 1: horny and then are different. But that's that's absolutely not
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. You talk from the Greek parabolus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then when there are then when I'm like in
Speaker 1: a giant party of all like sweaty bodies, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm a sexual. There's there's nothing less horny to me
Speaker 1: than bags of meat blopping around to music. Was like thereoo,
Speaker 1: it's like void of anything. And also all I need.
Speaker 1: If I see one person that's like too drunker, too high,
Speaker 1: who has just like kind of a debt in the eyes,
Speaker 1: look that immediately, I'm just like, oh god, this is
Speaker 1: like a scene from Skins. Yes, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: from Euphoria. From Euphoria have watched I've watched the pilot
Speaker 1: and I want to keep watching. I've heard that it
Speaker 1: is stunning and apparently Zendia is the real you know
Speaker 1: what I was gonna. I saw you. I'm sorry you
Speaker 1: tweet about this, and and what was it that you?
Speaker 1: I said, we have no choice, but I said, I said,
Speaker 1: interesting development that we may have no choice, and it
Speaker 1: is I didn't see it coming because she was a punchline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but she was. She was not even in
Speaker 1: a mean way, but just kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: the kind of like trying to make Zendea happen like
Speaker 1: greatest Showman. Like it was just like, oh, God, get
Speaker 1: her again, and she is really good in this. I
Speaker 1: also think you always have to take someone with a
Speaker 1: grain of sqult when they come at you from a
Speaker 1: very early age with one name. It's so very that
Speaker 1: it's like so clearly you think you're an icon, that
Speaker 1: you think this is going to be a one name thing.
Speaker 1: Because her last name is what Coleman? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I did not know that. I think she's got like
Speaker 1: a normal ass last name. H p A. Do you
Speaker 1: know we're on it that um? But I think her
Speaker 1: last name is something straight up from down the block.
Speaker 1: Dia Coleman also is like a good name. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could easily be a celebrity with that name. You can
Speaker 1: easily be a celebrity with that names Undia Coleman is
Speaker 1: actually a really coaching number fifty. You can easily. But
Speaker 1: she chose to have one name, and that is sort
Speaker 1: of a red flag. And then you slay the pilot
Speaker 1: of Euphoria. I've gotten so many texts being like, you
Speaker 1: need to watch Euphoria Hunter Shaffer. It really I was
Speaker 1: about to say, she has really kind of been breaking
Speaker 1: out and is very smart. Area an interview with her recently.
Speaker 1: Also mad Apatow is in it. Yes, in it. She
Speaker 1: wasn't in the pilot. She wasn't the pilot deferred. She was.
Speaker 1: She was the friend who when the day and goes
Speaker 1: to her friend's house. She's a friend new creature at
Speaker 1: the door. Um, anyway, I have might no, Actually, can
Speaker 1: I say? This is exactly what you say? It say it.
Speaker 1: This is the scene that needs to happen for me
Speaker 1: to fall in love on Fire Island. Ready, I have
Speaker 1: to be sitting on the dock next to this person
Speaker 1: while the sun sets. I have to tell them, look,
Speaker 1: look at the sunset. Look at the sunset right now,
Speaker 1: look at it right now. You can't look away, you
Speaker 1: can't look away. So, so, George, I'm sorry that you're
Speaker 1: out of the running and your your friend. Actually, so
Speaker 1: it'll be with him. What's his name? Full name? Okay,
Speaker 1: do you want hath crazy? It rhymes with Zendia. I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding. Was he swear to god, I'm not kidding's
Speaker 1: really Oh my god. Maybe the title of this episode
Speaker 1: is rhymes with zendeia I think the time. I think
Speaker 1: that's good. I love that that found the title. I
Speaker 1: love this episode. This is a great episode because it
Speaker 1: served the culture. It's honestly, it served the I mean,
Speaker 1: Greece was the first culture. I remember when we made
Speaker 1: the list of the top ten cities of culture and
Speaker 1: actually Athens snuck in there and London, London, which was
Speaker 1: controversial in the moment. Yeah, yeah, so thank you for
Speaker 1: bringing Athens. Had such a great time enjoy I'm so
Speaker 1: excited we get to spend a week together. I know
Speaker 1: that'll be really fine, and I'll be very much I'm
Speaker 1: in a different house, but I'll be very much the
Speaker 1: Kimmy Gilbler slash Steve step and arcle of the house.
Speaker 1: I will kind of come over. Yeah, we're also still
Speaker 1: going to fill one room in our house spots when
Speaker 1: this comes out in August. Just know that three weeks
Speaker 1: prior we really straveled to fill out in that house.
Speaker 1: And um, I'll keep you posted if I fall. I
Speaker 1: know we're gonna hear updates. I wanted to be real
Speaker 1: with the listeners. I know, I know, I know. Um,
Speaker 1: here we go. Let's let's close it the song as
Speaker 1: we always do. That is who well was being fun
Speaker 1: your dog and convince. I am the same. But if
Speaker 1: you give it up, maybe let each other. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: look at the sunset, look at don't look. I don't look.
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