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Speaker 1: timber Like, okay, okay, it just like is embarrassing themselves, right,

424
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Speaker 1: And I hate that and I feel bad saying that.

425
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Speaker 1: But and this is controversial, but that's kind of how

426
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Speaker 1: I felt about like MoMA Mio one with Meryl Streets

427
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Speaker 1: just like her jumping on the bed, and I was

428
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Speaker 1: just like, see now I don't have that problem without

429
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Speaker 1: a MIA because it's like for me, it's like how

430
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Speaker 1: else would you do this? And like and like I

431
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: don't feel mad at Merrill for saying yes to that movie.

432
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Speaker 1: I feel a mad at Kate Winslet for saying yes

433
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Speaker 1: to it, and b I watch it and I'm like

434
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Speaker 1: for you to say yes to this and this also

435
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Speaker 1: be this bad like this scene with Kate Winslet and sorry,

436
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake, I will say sorry before I say his

437
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: name for the rest of the podcast. It's just like

438
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: these are two people who aren't speaking to each other,

439
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: and it's like it just goes to show, like wow,

440
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: if we didn't cancel Woody Allen for being like disgusting,

441
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: then we should definitely cancel him for being like completely

442
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Speaker 1: wrote and just like it's just so repetitive. Well it's

443
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Speaker 1: it's also I mean again putting all the growth stuff aside.

444
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Speaker 1: Just as a filmography, he has always been inconsistent, like

445
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Speaker 1: it has always been like one good movie, one bad movie,

446
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Speaker 1: one good movie, when like so prolific. Yeah, I mean

447
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: there are a movie there was a movie that he

448
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Speaker 1: did with like Jason Biggs and Christina Ricci and it

449
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: is terrible. You either hear about them because they fucking

450
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Speaker 1: kill at the awards at the end of the year,

451
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: like Blue Jasmine or something. He either like fucking nails

452
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: it or it's ter and you never hear about it,

453
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: or like Scoop do you remember Scoop? Oh, I remember

454
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Speaker 1: Scarlet Johnson. Johnson was not Hugh Jackman, who I don't

455
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Speaker 1: remember but whatever doesn't matter. But um, yeah, another just completely.

456
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Speaker 1: I remember watching it and like forgetting it as it

457
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Speaker 1: was happening. This is like right before you got canceled

458
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Speaker 1: for good. But um that he's not he's working. I mean,

459
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Speaker 1: this is this is a whole other thing, which is

460
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: just like they always say, like, you know, don't get

461
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: mad at the actress, is like they're just trying to work.

462
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Speaker 1: It's like, I have a huge problem with that because

463
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet is not just trying to work in quotes,

464
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Speaker 1: She's an Academy Award winning actress with many options and choices.

465
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Speaker 1: And I do feel upset that she said yes to

466
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Speaker 1: that movie, and I do think that she should answer

467
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Speaker 1: for that. I think sorry I think that these people

468
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Speaker 1: exist in a different media environment than you. You know

469
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Speaker 1: what I'm think you don't think that she weighed on

470
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Speaker 1: her mind, like it might be problematic if I do this,

471
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Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't. You know, they they have. But I again,

472
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: like I think we constantly underestimated how people are not

473
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Speaker 1: part of like mainstream conversations that we think are like

474
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Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere. Yeah, like once you're up there like the

475
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Speaker 1: focal point, and also like the relativity of the ethical quandries.

476
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Speaker 1: It's like it's the equivalent of like me deciding whether

477
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Speaker 1: or not I want to use like a plastic shower

478
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Speaker 1: or paper show. It's like sometimes I'll make the right decision,

479
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll make it's all okay, Like that's it's like

480
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Speaker 1: for her, it's like maybe she made some decisions she

481
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Speaker 1: was proud of and something she was less proud of,

482
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Speaker 1: but she's not going to like derail her whole. I

483
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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not saying I'm not saying I don't

484
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Speaker 1: agree with you. I think like if if everyone was

485
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Speaker 1: on the same page, then I think you're absolutely right.

486
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Speaker 1: But I I mean, it's like I've been thinking about

487
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Speaker 1: this with a SCARLETTR. Hands and stuff to him, like

488
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Speaker 1: what kind of things must she read? Like, yeah, she

489
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Speaker 1: must be exactly exactly, Yeah, she's she's out of touch

490
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Speaker 1: to say that, I mean, no matter what. But like

491
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Speaker 1: what to what degree is she to for her to

492
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Speaker 1: be able to say that in the first place, sort

493
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Speaker 1: of feel like she should, yeah, Or it's like I

494
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: wonder if she even knows something that she's saying will

495
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: be controversial, or if she thinks she's like speaking some

496
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: big truth like anyway, odd time for her to do

497
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: that too, right before the announcement that like black Wood, Like,

498
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Speaker 1: it's so like that could have been such I mean,

499
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Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know really where everyone's

500
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: at with Scarlett Johanson. I've always been a huge fan

501
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: of hers, and when she messes up like this, it's

502
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: really frustrating because I think she's so good and I

503
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: just want to see her like get there, like in

504
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: terms of these conversations. But with Bo, with the black

505
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: Widow of it all, it's like, I wonder if that

506
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Speaker 1: would have been a more prominent part of that big

507
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: Marvel announcement had she not just had this this whole

508
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Speaker 1: thing go down, Because it feels like everyone like that

509
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Speaker 1: big Marvel announcement, which was like crazy, all that stuff

510
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: that was announced. I feel like, you know rightfully, So

511
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Speaker 1: like the conversations that I'm seeing online in my bubble

512
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: anyway is like about Blade and about like you know,

513
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Speaker 1: um which is and yes, and all the how diverse

514
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: the roster is, and like you know, Tessa Thompson is

515
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: going to have a queer love interest in Thor, and

516
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: Natalie Portman is going to be female. The only thing

517
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Speaker 1: I know is that Natalie Portman is going to be

518
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Speaker 1: female and Natalie is gonna be fucking female Thor, which

519
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: I don't really know how that makes sense. In the cannon,

520
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: it's multiverse stuff, so they're opening up the multiverse where

521
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: like there's a different world in which she is, or

522
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: so Jane Foster her character from the movies, or well

523
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: that is literally true. So it has been announced that

524
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: Jane Foster becomes Thor. Great fun. And it's also like

525
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: we're trying to rationalize the Marvel movies, which I have

526
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: to say, after having seen all of them. Yes, I

527
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Speaker 1: get that Endgame was good, and I get that some

528
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: of the movies are good. I can't understand a thing

529
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: that is happening, don't care at thank you? And can

530
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Speaker 1: you believe there's gonna be I cried drinking because I

531
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: was stoned out of my mind, and I was like

532
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: Joel and like we were just I've learned to be

533
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: accepting of like I think it's so boring to be

534
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: one of these people that's like adults watching comics. But

535
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: then it's like part of me is thinking that. But

536
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: then also I'm just like it's also boring anything you

537
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: can say about them, if you like them or if

538
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: you don't like them. I just like, I wish we

539
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: could stop it. Yeah, I totally as their military propaganda

540
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: is it really is all true, Like the whole thing

541
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: of like um sort of like um, what's it like

542
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: a glorifying like nest or whatever, like whatever it's called,

543
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: Like the whole like the whole recruiting process of it

544
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: all a little I saw a wonder Woman on a

545
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: plane and I was like, this is the most abhorrent

546
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Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. Like I think, no offense to

547
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: Patty Jenkins. I think Patty Jenkins is wonderful, but she

548
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: didn't write the movie. She drive to the movie's gal Gadote,

549
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: not a good actress anyway, I mean, how could she

550
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: be good? I think superhero the concept of superheroes is

551
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: like there is some like propaganda, there is some proselytizing

552
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: thing about like joining the militant, Like literally, um, did

553
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: you see Spider Man Far from Home? You don't? All right?

554
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I've heard it's good. I fell asleep numerous Wow did

555
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: you see that interview with Kirston duns For She was

556
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: asked about the new Spider Man movies and she was like, well,

557
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 1: we did it best, so I don't know why they

558
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: keep doing it right, And I fucking love her. We've

559
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: I think we've discussed she is. And I'm not the

560
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: first game Man to say this, like the lack of

561
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Speaker 1: respect that Kirsten Dunst gets not only as an actress

562
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Speaker 1: but as a cultural figure and someone who is knowledgeable

563
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: about film and knowledgeable about art and knowledgeable about film

564
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: history and talk about I mean making choices about what

565
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: projects are participants Dunst. I mean the thing she chooses

566
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: all could be taught in like film schools like it's

567
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: and even the She's like, Okay, I'm gonna do Eternal Sunshine.

568
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: I have a small role, but that is going to

569
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Speaker 1: be a movie that people talk about for that. She

570
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: should have been nominated for an Oscar for that. That's

571
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: the diff definition of a great sight. There was like

572
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: she's the character that the movie doesn't work without that character,

573
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: not at all. Yeah, I mean she's in that new

574
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: show which looks very good, which I know you on

575
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: on becoming a God in Central Party. And then it

576
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: was like it was introducing the cast and it was

577
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: like Emmy and Golden Globe Nominique Cus Duns and I

578
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: was like, are you fucking kids? I've never been up

579
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: there saying thank you, Like are you kidding me? It's

580
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: crazy because I was literally just explaining so that we

581
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Speaker 1: do this. There's this thing called you You You're Coven,

582
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: which is like the five actresses who like, like, she's

583
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Speaker 1: in my coven for sure, And so I say, all

584
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: throughout my life literally from the beginning, she has been

585
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: in like the defining movies of like I'm telling you,

586
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: like if you could start from the beginning, I wasn't

587
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: like cognizant of it during the interview with the vampire,

588
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: but that's in a stunning that's a stunning performance. And

589
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: then you know from Jumanji even to like bring it on, bitch,

590
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: dropped a gorgeous to um Eternal Sunshine to even the

591
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: more adult stuff that she's done recently, Mellian Colia and

592
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: um uh Bachelorette. Bachelorette is genius and the movie with

593
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: the the oh yeah, yes, oh wait, oh god, this

594
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: is so embarrassing. Wait Marie not Marie Tourette. But what

595
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: wait funk? What the hell is um? Oh my god?

596
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: Yes the god we saw movie theaters again. Another performance

597
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: that like I thought should have been in a conversation.

598
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: She was the best one in the movie absolutely, and

599
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: the most difficult part. You know, I forgot about I mean,

600
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: as a movie it's like fine, but her, I think

601
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: she transcends the script like her. I think that's I

602
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: agree that it was one of the best performances that year. Also,

603
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: I loved her and Hidden Figures absolutely because she is

604
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Speaker 1: the part. Yes, she's she commits. You know what's interesting.

605
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: And we were talking about Natale Apartment. I feel like

606
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: they've had very similar trajectories except they like they like

607
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: diverged in a Wood explained this like child actors and

608
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: their prestige films, who like sort of and early nerd

609
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: culture stuff and didn't even mentioned Spider Man obviously huge.

610
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: And then like, but Natalie wasn't really into the rom

611
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: coms until later on, maybe like she she like tingently,

612
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: like she was getting her checks revisited every now and then.

613
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: But like, but now, but I feel like Kirsten stuck

614
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: to her art house guns a little bit more and

615
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: a little bit longer. And yeah, she doesn't get the

616
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 1: respect she deserves well, I mean, and then also like

617
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: we haven't even mentioned her incredible performance in Fargo, which

618
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: I actually haven't, so she's unbelievable in that. And I

619
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: think it just got lost in the fact that there's

620
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: just so much gold happening with addresses on television right now.

621
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, she's I think I think there's enough of

622
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: a ground swell happening with there's always but she's all.

623
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: She hasn't there's no comeback narrati because she hasn't been gone.

624
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: But it's like I think, I think, I think everyone.

625
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: I think there's a moment it's imminent with her in

626
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: the next few years. I think it's cool that she

627
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: has this show. I wonder if you never know, I

628
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: wonder if it will be like her moment because you

629
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: never know because the field is so crowded. It's like

630
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Speaker 1: Christina Applegate gave such an amazing performance and dead to me,

631
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Speaker 1: she's not going to literally watch three episodes of it

632
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: today not believe how good she. I haven't seen it because, um,

633
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: a guy used to date it loves it, and I'm like, no, yeah,

634
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Speaker 1: it's fair to watch. Wait, I wanted to go back,

635
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: but when you need to watch Bachelor and and it's like,

636
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Speaker 1: you know, it's Leslie Hedland who did and and like

637
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Speaker 1: she's a playwright by training or not by like she

638
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: was a playwright for many years. And it's very much

639
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Speaker 1: I think it's based on whatever plays and it's very

640
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Speaker 1: much written like a play, which is like I always

641
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't like that, Like people

642
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Speaker 1: love that, don't like you know, doubt or you know,

643
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: like movies like that. I kind of enjoy I love them. Yeah,

644
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Speaker 1: like the Three Billboards you liked oh um, because I

645
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Speaker 1: feel like that's like I guess that as a play,

646
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Speaker 1: I know it's controver never mad don't answer, I would

647
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: say I didn't. I didn't hate it. I didn't not

648
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: like it because of the place. I didn't like it

649
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: for other reasons, right, Yeah, that that came out so

650
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Speaker 1: loud and I didn't mean. You're right that that is

651
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Speaker 1: the quintessential example. You know what else is a really

652
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: good example of this closer of course, things that were

653
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: literally plays. Yeah, I know, but some of them translates,

654
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Speaker 1: they don't make sure sure, But Bachelotte succeeds on sticking

655
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Speaker 1: to its play. Yeah, I think so. Also, Bachelorette includes

656
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Speaker 1: James Marsden, who is also in debt to me, who

657
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: is truly fine wine, Adam Scott, Adam Scott, and Adam Scott.

658
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Speaker 1: Fucking So have you watched any of Big littalizes this season? Okay,

659
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: so I've watched all of it except I want to say,

660
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: two episodes. And the reason is because basically I this,

661
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Speaker 1: I'm not a reality TV person out and when I

662
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: tell you I have, I physically I'm unable to press

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00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: plan anything else in a way where I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: will sit on my couch and me like, I want

665
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: to watch a big Little Eyes so I can catch up.

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00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: But I and I'm not able to watch anything other

667
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: than that. And I've watched three seasons in two weeks.

668
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: You have been tweeting about Yeah, I liked. I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is embarrassing, I like deleted. I mean, it's a

670
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: part of the culture. It's I And I'm also so

671
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: late to it, like I just started it recently, did

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00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: I did? And I really enjoy it really, Oh my god.

673
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: It's the one thing on Bravo I can't get into

674
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: and I haven't tried at all. It's like, but the

675
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: thing is, like I used to say this about Housewives,

676
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I was like, never getting into that, and now I'm

677
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: like so into it. It's um, it's it's it's such

678
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: a trolly show. It trolls even harder than the Housewives.

679
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: And I watched a few episodes yesterday and I smoked

680
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: a bowl and I was like, this is the best thing.

681
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: Only I'm still only in season one, but even from

682
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: season I feel like once you get into I feel

683
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: like once you get past like maybe the first episode

684
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: and just like know the characters, I was on board. Um,

685
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. I want to talk about this more. I

686
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: Sudy sent me in mant of text yesterday saying, you

687
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: guys have to start getting into Long Island. And I

688
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: watched the first the first four episodes of season five.

689
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: The current season in the UK, and it's truly phenomenal

690
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: and I love it. And it's so they have real

691
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: sex on it. I haven't seen any of the sex yet,

692
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean there they all sleep in the

693
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: same room, and and they and and they and so

694
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: every round is a different iteration of the couples. So

695
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: and then you know it's it's the it's the last

696
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: couple to make it to the end wins like fifty

697
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: thou pounds or something. But um, the interactions are so

698
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: interesting to watch and you end up getting lost in

699
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: these narratives that like are unfolding and you're like, no,

700
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: you can't go with that person. You're what you're supposed

701
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: to be with that. Like it really is literally what

702
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: what reality television does, expertly crafted nonsense that makes you care. Literally.

703
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: I watched one episode of the new season of The

704
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: Bachelor of the other night with my sister and now

705
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: I'm invested. Yes, yes, yes, these people are good at

706
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: what they do. It's truly transcends all Like transcends to me,

707
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: at least in my sort of narrow minded view of

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: the world. Is like it transcends like racing class and

709
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: every like. It truly it's like, well, that was what

710
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: the real world was, remember, it was like it was

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00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: like people talking about race and class and sexuality and

712
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: like blah blah. It's like and it kind of works,

713
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: It kind of works, but it's also like, what's it's

714
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 1: also like a terrible ill society that's sort of gotten

715
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: us into this horrible It works until the people in

716
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: charge realize they can make more money by just heightening

717
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: it to be trash. And that is why I think

718
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: The Bachelor every season gets more and more trash, and

719
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: what they're willing to condemn is less and less. Like,

720
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, Bachelor in parative should be

721
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: fully canceled after there was a sexual harassment situation, but

722
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: they realized that it gets a conversation going, and so

723
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: they just makes them money. But this is what I

724
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: this is what I like about vander Pump is that

725
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: it starts out trash, but not just that I don't

726
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: feel bad for anyone because and I was like explaining

727
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: this to someone recently, um like a psychopath. It's like

728
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: I feel like with most reality shows, either you are

729
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: basically like gawking at poor people or gawking at rich people.

730
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: A right man and in Vanderpump, it's like, these are

731
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: people that are like in their twenties and thirties that

732
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: are struggling actors in Los Angeles who do want to

733
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: be on TVs, are hot, able bodied, privileged in the

734
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: general sense, and that they are like, you know, straightforward

735
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: the middle class, and you're just like, I feel okay

736
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: being invested in their like cheating scandals and stuff, and

737
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm like, you know, exploiting someone

738
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: who like shouldn't be on TV. You And it actually

739
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: occasionally will happen when when a character comes in and

740
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: I do feel bad for them or they're like clearly unstable,

741
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: and then I'll really not like that because it takes

742
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: me out of it. But that I think that because

743
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: I can't watch the bad show. I mean, I'm sure

744
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: I could get into it. I'm not above it, but

745
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: like that is for me why I kind of stopped

746
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: watching reality TV for literally like seven years. And then

747
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: this was like the first thing that there was a

748
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: point with after reality TV was born. It was like

749
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: this we talked about Joe Millionaire the other like there

750
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: was like Joe Millionaire, there was Survivor, there was American Idol,

751
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: and then you saw all those things kind of succeed,

752
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: and The Bachelor was a part of that too, and

753
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: then all of those things I think got pushed to limits.

754
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: Like like when American Idol was mean, it was truly,

755
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: like dangerously mean, two people with like William Hung who

756
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: had something going on developmentally, like what you could say.

757
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: Also like the way the way they would do the

758
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: eliminations was purely just cruel and it was just like

759
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: I think reality TV in that in that moment where

760
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: you stopped watching it, it got pushed so far back.

761
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Now it then got pulled back and now I think

762
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: it is getting to the point where like we're almost

763
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: there again where it's like, guys, it's rule of culture.

764
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: Number of guys. Wait, I have a point that is

765
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: very slippery and might be wrong. Here we go. I

766
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: feel like good reality TV is gay camp and bad

767
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: reality TV is straight camp. And I think straight camp

768
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: embraces cruelty in a way that gay camp does not. Okay,

769
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: here's a great example. And we brought this example up

770
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: before um Io Debris episode. Um were talked about Amro said,

771
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: length this is the day that she got fired. Um

772
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: Celebrity Apprentice, her, her and Pierce Morgan screaming in the

773
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: back of a minivans um like Pierce Margan saying some

774
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: racist at her and Rosa being like, well, you're you're

775
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: in the closet and you're and you're gay and you

776
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: haven't come out yet to your family and your wife

777
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: hates you, and like it's that is straight camp and

778
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: it's and Trump has the whole pall over that show too.

779
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: It's just like gave birth to Trump. Let's just say that.

780
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: So it's just like you look at that and you're like,

781
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: that's dark and bad and there's nothing good that can

782
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: come of this, whereas Bander Premproles, it's like, oh, Stosse

783
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: is upset at jocks for cheating and this is pure

784
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: season one stuff and behind Stacy's mantic jacks for getting

785
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: a porn star pargnet in Vegas, Like that's fun. I

786
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. It's either fun. It's either fun

787
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: or it's sucking dangerous. And I mean Trump is now dangerous,

788
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: but I don't think so, Honey later actually has to

789
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: do with politics. But the but the thing is like

790
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: it's we see, like what the worst of this has

791
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: literally given birth to and it's not funny. And and

792
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: here's the thing, people who people who are trying to

793
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: equate Marian Williamson with Trump. It's like, no, gay camp

794
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: Trump is straight cap. That is absolutely true that Mary

795
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: and Williamson is gay camp. Trump is straight cap. George

796
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: is regretting this. No, sorry, I'm like replaying the moment

797
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: earlier when where you I was like the real world,

798
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: like talked about racing class and it really worked. And

799
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: I just want to take that back because this is

800
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, no, no, no, but George, it did.

801
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: That's the thing is like they created something that was

802
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: good for the world, and then when they realized it

803
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: was more pause at it for them financially to push

804
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: it to be let's put racists in here with people

805
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: of color. They did that so we can't have nice things.

806
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: But that that literally, that show was good for the world.

807
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Pedro, I mean the whole HIV like like narrative,

808
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: and that's what I was kind of thinking when exactly so,

809
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: I think the point does stand, which is like these things,

810
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: it's like it's like it gets to an excess where

811
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: you're like, guys, I just want to say for now.

812
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: In um Love Island is very much day camp, even

813
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: though it's they've only had hetero couples, but it's gay

814
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: camp outside. Kay. So my sister watches um or watches

815
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: the whole Bachelor thing. She's Bachelor Nation and she says

816
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: that Bachelor and she goes to me, Bachelor in Paradise

817
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: is having their first same sex couple. I said, let

818
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: me guess, it's two women, she said, I said, let

819
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: me guess. Um it was literally, they're both not contestants.

820
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: One of them is a contestant, and they brought someone

821
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: from off the show. She's like, yeah, So basically I

822
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: was like, so they co opted like a real thing

823
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: in the world and brought it in just so they

824
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: could say, at us, same sex couple, and and they

825
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: don't dare tip their toe into anything male male nose

826
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: sodomy related at all, Like it's something being in a butt,

827
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: just because I feel like Real world had so many

828
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: gay men, right, but it's like Bachelor real World, yes,

829
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: but because real world is like still niche like Reality

830
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: and TV and Gendora. I mean it's awful. Yeah. Well,

831
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: the thing is like like people were like, we need

832
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: the gay Bachelor it's like, there will absolutely a percent

833
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: be a lesbian bachelor red before there's a gay bachelor,

834
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: because we talked about the setline on our Scott Thompson episode,

835
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: but there is such a fear and disgust when it

836
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: comes to anal sex, but sex between men. It's like,

837
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I'm shocked we're seeing a

838
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: mainstream presidential candidate that is gay before we're seeing a

839
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: lesbian presidential candidate because I like you've seen even in media,

840
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: like you've seen like like so many presidents that are

841
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: women have like the powerful energy and like Cherry Jones

842
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: played the president on twenty four and I feel like

843
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: these kind of things that are accepted, like the kind

844
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: of energy that a president has, Like if you had

845
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: an effeminine male president, well it's you could never see that. Yeah,

846
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: well it's because femininity is perceived right, and and that's

847
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: that's that that's the whole problematic thing about it. And

848
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: also like the straight men that like run the world

849
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: can see through the male gaze if they're seeing like

850
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: I don't when there's lesbians on television, they're like, well,

851
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: I get her because she likes women like me. Because

852
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: women are hot, and actually I'm deciding this is hot. Meanwhile,

853
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: where it's like two men, they're like gross gross dud um.

854
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: You ever you ever get into house lives. You never

855
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: got into houseves. I got. I watched the first maybe

856
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: two or three seasons of Beverly Hills, which is why

857
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: I had some context. Really City Underpond and then dark Yeah. Right,

858
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: so that's the and that's why I stopped watching because

859
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: I just like didn't like what it was doing to

860
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: my psyche. But I will say when I think of

861
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: and I've missed so much at this point that I

862
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: just can't jump back in. But when I think of

863
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: like the episode with the dinner party where there was

864
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: like that woman who's a medium with the vape, like that,

865
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: to me is one of the best episodes of telling. Yeah,

866
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's delivered. Some of the best episodes.

867
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: Is that episode is vander pump esque because it's just

868
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: like the stakes are just high enough. Anyway, I was

869
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: talking to I think I was talking to Ira Madison,

870
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: Ray Sonny and Sambrasement about this. Like we were on

871
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: like a little group chat called brav Hose because we

872
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: all watched Bravo and they were saying that Beverly Hills

873
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: used to be about like the cracks in the China,

874
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: Like it was like the kind of it was really

875
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: about Beverly Hills is really about like what we're hiding

876
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: underneath the surface and what happens when those things really break,

877
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: and that those are the people that think like the

878
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: height of it was actually that those really dark times.

879
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: And then they were saying, I think it was Ray

880
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: that said Lisa Rinna broke Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

881
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: because she came in with her like loud energy and

882
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: confrontational style and it was no longer about like I

883
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: don't agree with this. I think Ranna is Cannon and

884
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm Ranna. But um, I think that there was a

885
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: moment where and maybe it was Renna coming on that

886
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: made Beverly Hills less about what we hied and more

887
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: about how we stitch it out, you know what I mean?

888
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that New York is about

889
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: joining the face of darkness because that's why I love

890
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: New York. Well, that's an interest. Do you watch the

891
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: classes in New York? It's something that you need to do.

892
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: I know. No, that's what Tyler codes was saying that.

893
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: He was like, you have to just watch all the

894
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: reunions to catch up and then you can That's actually

895
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: a really good way to do. That's a really smart

896
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: way to catch up on the Housewives. He's a genius.

897
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: Shout out to Tyler almost a shout out to Tyler

898
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: Coats a genius, a genius. Um, there's been some there's

899
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: been some really good reunion happenings lately. I loved I

900
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: loved this. I'm caught up on the reunions. By the way,

901
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: did you did you? Did you like, were you like

902
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: a person that watched dramatic television or would you a

903
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: reality TV kid? And then how to stop? Um, that's

904
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: a good question. Let me think, Yeah, like in high

905
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: school you mean, um, I mean it is the blind

906
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: spots because we didn't get we didn't get the American

907
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: reality shows. And I'm trying to think of like I

908
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: would say, in college, I would occasionally watch like Kardashians.

909
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: Was that college that they've been around for? Ye crazy,

910
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: I've definitely like when people do you remember that moment

911
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: where everyone was like the Kardashians are actually smart, just

912
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: like Kim Kardashian is like during that time when I

913
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: was like, maybe there's something to this like that, I

914
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: would like watch Kardashians and and then oh you know what, Okay,

915
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: So the one channel we would get in Greece was Eyes,

916
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: which I love that channel, not that as in the

917
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: one channel that had like reality so and which I

918
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: think that's what Kardashians are on, right, so like so

919
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: then I also would watch like things not like Denise

920
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: Richards it's complicated or like things like that that were

921
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: like because that is the only because we didn't get

922
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Bravo or what are the like VH one or so

923
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: it was the only reality shows I watched other than

924
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: like the Greek ones which also existed, were the e ones.

925
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch Nicole? No waed Anna? Nicole was

926
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: a reality show that you'll never see again on television.

927
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: Actually literally that is an example of it getting pushed on,

928
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: And I do remember that, and that that was actually

929
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: that I was still living in the States when that

930
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: was on. I remember, um, yeah, I was. We were

931
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: like yeah, she was like one of the earliest kind

932
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: of pop culture figures. I remember just like kind of

933
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: being obsessed with she was iconic. She was iconic. But

934
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: now we know it's because it was for all the

935
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: wrong reasons, but you and the way people treated I mean,

936
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 1: just like anyway, um, I oh my god, wait never mind,

937
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: sorry what are you looking at thinking? Because ray Sanny

938
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: brought up something about um but it was but now

939
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm remembering that franchise was not on it it was

940
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: on H one. What are you talking about? Um? The

941
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Flavor of Love Universe? Do you ever watch favor I'm

942
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: familiar with and like I feel like I've watched things

943
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: those people have been on or something like they also

944
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: I remember like the roast of flavor Flavor yes, yes,

945
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: m and like this is all yeah, this is also.

946
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: This is actually what I wanted to talk about, was

947
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: I think that we we have to establish like a

948
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: code of conduct when it comes to someone being like

949
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: to someone having a blind spot, because I've had just

950
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: so many reactions to things that are like you haven't

951
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: seen what, and like there needs to be like that

952
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: needs to kick off like a protocol with like Okay,

953
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: so when someone hasn't seen something that you are so

954
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: like emphatically in love with or like that is so

955
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: meaningful to you, what do you say? You go Okay, Well,

956
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: you should watch it, and you should and I'm gonna

957
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: convince you to watch it, like, like what do you do? Like,

958
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not going to change saying, oh

959
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: my god, you need to watch this if it's a

960
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: protocol thing in my and something that I need to

961
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: know my behavior, and I'm not saying that's inherently a

962
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: bad thing to do, but like, what, like what do

963
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: we do beyond that to like I think we take

964
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: them to a home with a television, We sit down

965
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: and hold their hands. Well, what I would do with

966
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: George is I would take him to my home. I

967
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: would say you wait right here. I would go and

968
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: get out the savinyond block. I would pour us both

969
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: a glass and I'd say you can say whatever you want,

970
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna sit over here on my bed. And

971
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: then I would sit on my bed and he I

972
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it would take him a while

973
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: to get this is getting very hot. This is horny. Um. Okay, wait,

974
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: this actually reminds me of a time where I did

975
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: have someone to come over my apartment and then I

976
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: thought we were going to hook up. We ended up

977
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: watching TV and I sat in the bed and they

978
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: sat him in the and I was like, no, you

979
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: didn't even sit next to each other. No, And it

980
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: was it was just like it ended up being an

981
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: it's fun time watching television, which is fine, which is fine,

982
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: which is fine. That's okay, it's okay. What's your boy

983
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: situation right now? Um? Wait, it's crazy that you asked

984
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: me that because last or yesterday, which was famously my birthday,

985
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: literally happy birthday. I also because of that, I'm in

986
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: a very self reflective mood. Very good. What age did? Wow?

987
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: You are young, aren't you? Guys? Literally my age? I'm

988
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine? Okay, wow, but I can't believe you

989
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: were twenties. Don't know you were young. I'm it's fucking cool.

990
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't mean a lot of people that are younger

991
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: than me. O. Um what what's what's the self? Um wait? Noo?

992
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: Boys don't I have? Like no, but no. The only

993
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: the thing I was going to say is that my

994
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: ex was at my birthday wearing the exact shirt Bowen

995
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: is currently wearing, which I love, which is what the robin,

996
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: which is the robin and the black or the white?

997
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: It was the white. I bought it in the white

998
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: almost about it in the white is what? So wait, okay,

999
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: I this is not interesting, but I um was recently

1000
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: in London and I saw her in London, so it

1001
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: was incredible. And it was because so I think all

1002
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: the days she did in New York were at like

1003
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: it was no, no, no, no no, no, it was at

1004
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: some ballroom, was like at some smaller venue than Barclay's. Right,

1005
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was Barclay's. I thought you did MSG

1006
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: a while ago and then came back to Barkley. We

1007
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: literally just right, but before these these shows that we saw,

1008
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: it was yes, yes, So the place so where I

1009
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: went to in London was a g A only venue,

1010
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: so it was perfect because I literally paid much less

1011
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: than anyone paid, you know, to see her, and I

1012
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: was like it like it was like people standing. I

1013
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: was like and I was like right in the middle,

1014
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: and it was like a just like probably one of

1015
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: the best trends on the concert going experience in my life.

1016
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: And it was also just like cool to see her

1017
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: in like a different country, like it for something really

1018
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: and it was my best friend lives in London, so

1019
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: it was like perfect, like I was visiting her anyway,

1020
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 1: but you were interned National right into your national fest.

1021
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: She's American, she's just married a British guy. She I like,

1022
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: she's a college friend. She married a British guy. Oh

1023
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: my god. He has a college friend who was American

1024
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: married a British man and he was raised in Greece. Hello,

1025
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: did you consider yourself a traveler? Um? Honestly no, because

1026
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: it's okay in this weird, counterintuitive way. I feel like

1027
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: I actually travel less than if I didn't have like

1028
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: non American parents, because the traveling I do is to

1029
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: visit my family family, and you can't really your options

1030
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: are limited. Yeah, Like I have a weird I was

1031
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: thinking of this today, Like I have such a weird

1032
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: guilt about all of us going to Fire Island this

1033
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: year because I don't actually take a lot of vacations

1034
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: that are not that I can't somehow combine with visiting

1035
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: family because everyone I see right now. So I have

1036
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: two younger sisters, so I'm very close to. One of

1037
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: them lives in California, one of them lives in Munich

1038
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: in Germany, and my parents are in um Luxembourg because

1039
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: they left grace like God, and so that's what everything

1040
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: is planned around. My life is so difficulty though. Wait, um,

1041
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: so how are you feeling emotional? Cut that out? What

1042
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: I already came. I made myself come with my own mode. Oh, readers,

1043
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: lets tell me what you think about this. Readers, here's mine,

1044
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: Here's mine. I don't like that. I was like, you

1045
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: smelled a beautiful pie. I'm not participating. Don't you want

1046
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: to have sex? If you want to have sex, you

1047
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: have to do sex. You have to send out the pheromones. Okay, America,

1048
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: as we've discussed as not ready for anal Yeah, to

1049
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: get them ready. We never had sex. Speaking of international fish,

1050
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: Little Max, Wait, hold on, I just want to really

1051
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: quickly put out there what Ray Sonny said and scholarly

1052
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: take on love Ray and she knows she has the

1053
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: scarly takes here. Here we go. She says, we would

1054
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: probably still be living in the Flavor of Love universe

1055
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: and wouldn't have love and hip hop if the psycho

1056
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: who made final three on Megan Wants a Millionaire didn't

1057
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: kill his girlfriend and himself. That's insane. Yeah, we might

1058
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: not have had Cardi B if it weren't for that

1059
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: man who murdered his girlfriend and interesting Ray famously, someone

1060
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: who told me she was coming to my birthday party

1061
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: and did not. Oh's you, guys, The only Matt of

1062
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: everyone that's been mentioned today is the only person who

1063
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: sent me a very nice message saying I'm sorry, I

1064
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: can't I can't make it. And I was, but I

1065
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: did also said. I said, we're going to celebrate tomorrow. Yes, yes,

1066
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: I was saving my load. Fucking we're going to spend

1067
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: days together. Now, he's going to come all over you

1068
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,959
Speaker 1: in the house. He was saving. We're gonna We're gonna

1069
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: be sitting on a on a wooden dock just watching

1070
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: the sunset. Are you excited about rock Hard? Are you

1071
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: excited about Fire Island? Okay, something I've never been. It's

1072
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna be so you're gonna have a lot of fun.

1073
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna like it's really what you may

1074
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: give it. I think we we're going at the good

1075
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: people that are our group. That's what I was. I'm like,

1076
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: I feel like very safe and comfortable with everyone in

1077
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: our house. It's fun to go down to what is

1078
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: it called high TI or low TI. And I also

1079
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: feel like I don't feel since I you guys have

1080
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: been so many times and I've never been. I don't

1081
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: feel like embarrassed or insecure about not knowing, like I

1082
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: feel like with all of you, I can be like

1083
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: tell me what should I do to like what are

1084
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: we doing today? And just like follow along and I'm

1085
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 1: gonna be posted up by the pool laying in the sun.

1086
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking. I love that, my, my, my, already.

1087
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: My favorite part of the trip is sunsets, sunset on

1088
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: the on the dock and just dangling your legs over

1089
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: the water with your friends and taking a picture in

1090
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: Golden hour. Um, wait, okay, this, I hope this is funny.

1091
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: But my hope this is funny. When I was and

1092
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: I can't believe I keep bring him up, but when

1093
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: I was dating my ex, his dad had this thing

1094
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: with sunsets where he was so intense about everyone's eyes

1095
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: being at the sun right at the moment when it

1096
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: goes to the point where it became like a traumatic.

1097
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: It's like then everyone in his family actually like associated

1098
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: sunsets with stress because they would think of his dad

1099
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: just being like, don't take your eyes up the sunset.

1100
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: Don't take your eyes up the sunset like that. That's

1101
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: really that's literally straight camp. You have to stare up

1102
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: the sunset. Don't tell me he's a very sweet man.

1103
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: But no, I just found that very funny. I don't

1104
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: think he sounds sweet at all. He's canceled and you

1105
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: have you The way you have put portrayed him on

1106
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: this podcast is not so sweet. I don't think I

1107
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: like you talking about this X Yeah, I will stop.

1108
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: I I am. I need to talk about my extent.

1109
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: Not only did I talked about him twice in this podcast,

1110
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: I talked about him before we started recording with your producer.

1111
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: I just looked down on my phone and I had

1112
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: a text from my act I love that. So this

1113
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: is the point um in the in the show George,

1114
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: where we asked the question what was the culture that

1115
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you? And we've discussed

1116
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: a lot of your formative culture or lack thereof, but

1117
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear what you what you think looking

1118
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: back on yourself, was this culture that made you say

1119
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: maybe culture? Wait? Okay, I have a really good answer

1120
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: for Oh, no one ever really said lead with that

1121
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: because I was first of all, I was I'm so,

1122
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: I was so unprepared for this. I was like walking

1123
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: here and I was like, wait, funk I have to

1124
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: do and I don't think so, but then it just

1125
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: like came to me, So I'll just say what it is. Um,

1126
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with the Olympics growing up, and it

1127
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: wasn't right, yes, so this is what. So it wasn't

1128
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: as a surprise to no one. It's not the sporting

1129
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: events that really got me, but it's like the pageant

1130
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: and the kind of like anyway, So so my thing

1131
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: is that in two thousand four they were in Athens

1132
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: and it was the first time they were back in

1133
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: Greece since the first modern Olympics. And I went to

1134
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: the opening ceremony. Wow. And so that to me and okay,

1135
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: so I don't know if you literally I'm not kidding.

1136
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: I still occasionally watch it on YouTube. The Athens opening

1137
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: cerements describe it. So it is basically a very like

1138
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: What I love about it is that it is obviously

1139
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: pure spectacle. I mean, it is an opening ceremony of

1140
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: the Olympics, but it is the most kind of and

1141
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: I hate to use the word tasteful because it kind

1142
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: of has like weird cultural connotations, which but it's like

1143
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: the most minimalist version of a spectacle in a way.

1144
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: That's like both meant for Greek people watching and meant

1145
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: to kind of export certain cultural elements outward into the world,

1146
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: which is what it shouldn't be. And basically it's I mean,

1147
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: it starts with all this kind of gorgeous imagery, like

1148
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: you go, you went into the stadium and the bottom

1149
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: was filled with water kind of, And so it starts

1150
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: with this giant paper like oregony is not the right word,

1151
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: but like a you know, a folded paper sailboat. So

1152
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: it's like this giant paper sail but which is a

1153
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: very Greek thing. It's like a thing that like Greek

1154
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 1: grandfathers will like make out of a napkin or something

1155
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: and give us like and there's like a Japanese people

1156
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: invented foldings. Um. I was the other day I was

1157
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: thinking about when we were at somewhere was that Max's party,

1158
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: and at someone I was just like, I want to

1159
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: tattoo of an origami sailboat. And then everyone was like, oh,

1160
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Oh I do remember you saying

1161
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: that anyway, because I would love that, thank you. So anyway,

1162
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: so it starts with that, and what I meant was

1163
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: that kind of and so it's and then there's like

1164
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: a little Greek kid waving a Greek flag, and then

1165
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: there's like this other thing where like these this giant

1166
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: statue here is out of nowhere, and then it breaks

1167
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: into a like seven pieces, and then inside it is

1168
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: a statue of like the next iteration of Greek statues.

1169
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: So it starts with like a minimalist kind of like face.

1170
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: Then it's like the like a body with like the

1171
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: limbs missing kind of like Middle period or whatever, and

1172
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: then it's like something more complex, so it's like the

1173
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 1: history of like Greek sculpture. And so then the main

1174
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: event is that there was basically almost like a parade

1175
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: with floats kind of of Greek art starting with like

1176
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: the earliest Greek art all the way to like present

1177
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: day and it you know, there were there were like, um,

1178
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, kind of shirtless men painted like gray that

1179
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 1: had like that looked like you know, Greek statues or whatever.

1180
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: Then there was like famously, the first person to appear

1181
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: was this woman who was kind of like a goddess

1182
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: of fertility type and she had like her boobs out,

1183
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: but they were painted like like completely white with like

1184
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: black nipples, so it looked very kind of surreal um

1185
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: and and it was just I mean, think of the

1186
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: simplest thing is just literally like a collection like a parade,

1187
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: a floats. So it's so simple, but it just says

1188
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: so it's it tells like the entire history of like

1189
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: the Greek civilization. Um. And So the other thing is

1190
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: that I realized much later that it is directed by

1191
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: this Greek choreographer who is queer and so and it

1192
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: kind of like clicked, and I was like, all of

1193
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: this is so queer. It is the most queer possible.

1194
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: First of all, Greek culture itself is so gay in

1195
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: a way that's like so obvious, and there's such a

1196
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: sense of denial about it in any kind of like

1197
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: mainstream Greek like conversations about it, which is so frustrating,

1198
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: like all the famous like Greek artists, Greek poets. It's

1199
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: like there's so much queerness in that stuff and no

1200
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: one addressed it anyway. That's a whole other topic. But

1201
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: but the guy that anyway, So yeah, so this guy

1202
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: uh is queer. And another person who was on the

1203
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: creative team of the production was Yogos Lankimos, so crazy

1204
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: like as a young he was probably like in his

1205
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, thirties twenties, you and I have so interesting,

1206
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: um so, and another one is this, oh god, I

1207
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: even forgetting her name. Athena something, who's another who then

1208
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: went on to become a famous Greek director as well

1209
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: and did a lot of kind of like movies that

1210
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: were that are in this um have you seen dog Tooth?

1211
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: It's Alms. It's like Lanthimos is first movie that was

1212
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: nominated for the Foreign Film Oscar, so he kind of

1213
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: exists in the same vein as her. Of like it

1214
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: was called the Greek weird Wave, and it was like

1215
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: a series of movies and kind of like basically during

1216
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: the beginning of the Greek financial crisis that we're dealing

1217
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: with it from a very like um kind of like

1218
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: crazy surrealist perspective. Just I mean it's like dog Tooth,

1219
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: it's like, um just very just like strange and fucked

1220
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: up story rights as a way to deal with like

1221
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: the procarity of the financial crisis. I'm not articulating this well,

1222
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: but like that's basically what it was anyway. So she

1223
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: was on the creative team as well, and it just

1224
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: like obviously I didn't understand a lot of this stuff

1225
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: as a however old I was, But it's one of

1226
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: those things that you responded to. Why I didn't say

1227
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: what the best part was? Are you ready for this?

1228
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: It all builds up to b York. Yes, I remember

1229
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: this getting and you know, getting in there, and then

1230
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: she's in the red she know she was, and then

1231
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: unfolding address that covers the entire stadium that what that is?

1232
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: I do not remember? Oh my god, yeah I remember,

1233
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: Sorry I read things something different? Um, yes, because I

1234
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: was like there's there's like there's isn't there something with

1235
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: cloth or something that was? And then connection that she

1236
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: had to Greece. It was I think it was just

1237
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: that the people organizing this just really good taste, just

1238
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: like this. And she sang a song that was called

1239
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: like Oceania, which is from I can't remember which elements from,

1240
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: but but it's obviously a song about the ocean. So

1241
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: it's like in like whatever, um, but but I mean

1242
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: for it to end with that, just like do we

1243
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: remember was that a Phelps moment? That was his first?

1244
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: It might have been it might have been his first.

1245
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: Oh wait, was he in Sydney? He was not in Sydney.

1246
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: I think Athens was his first. Beijing was like like

1247
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: Beijing in London, where like Peak, I want to say, yes,

1248
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: I feel like every was like the beginning. Every Summer

1249
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: Olympics is like divine defined by a specific hot swimmer, right,

1250
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: like there was Ian Thorpe from Australia and then there

1251
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: was like Ryan ry of it all was something we

1252
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: tried to get behind so hard and then we all

1253
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: had to be like, no fail, there was was there

1254
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: like a hot swimmer for for Brazil that like, yeah

1255
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: it was it was Ryan Locktey because remember he got

1256
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: in all that trouble, like that wasn't his. It wasn't

1257
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: like a star is born. Like they truly tried to

1258
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: make it. They tried to make it his moment because

1259
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: it was like kind of no longer Ryan, I mean

1260
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: Michael felt but then when he turned out to be

1261
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: such a true idiot. Yeah, like we all had to

1262
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: be like, oh, never mind me not only a national

1263
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: embarrassment and I'll never forget the iconic culture that is

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01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: Al Roker being like on the Today's Show. I think

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01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: it was like fully Matt Lower being like you know,

1266
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: give him, give him a break, and Roker was literally

1267
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: like no, yeah, yeah, we're not going to give him

1268
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: a break. Fucked up. And then him on third year

1269
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: was that after London was that after that was? That

1270
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: was when he had goodwill and he was like in

1271
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: on the joke and it made you like him for

1272
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: him to be like to be called the sex Oh

1273
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: my god. Um. I actually think his reality show may

1274
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: have been on the Roers Ryan I was still on

1275
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: the Yes, Ryan Lafty did, and I believe he was

1276
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 1: also on some reality show that was like watch them

1277
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: fuck sort of right, just watch them like literally anything

1278
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: anything with like dealist celebrity is in a house where

1279
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: they're all like hot and barely famous. I'm like, oh,

1280
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: this is a watch them, this is a show. We're

1281
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: gonna like watch two of them like sort of flirt

1282
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: for a little while and then we're going to be

1283
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: like Moon date book. And this is the intelligence that

1284
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: Bone was talking about, is that you just I'm serious

1285
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: And this is what I love about your sense of

1286
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: humor is that that is such a mad thing to

1287
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: say that you just summed up all of that with

1288
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: that's so watching them, Well, I accept that. There you go.

1289
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's great. To know that I

1290
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: have a voice. Huh, it's actually really culture number eleven.

1291
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: It's great to know that I have a voice. Uh, George,

1292
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: I relate to you watching the opening ceremonies on YouTube

1293
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: very hard because I do that for Beijing all the time.

1294
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: I did not have the privilege of being there like

1295
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: you were, but oh my god, you were there that

1296
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: it was like I mean, I would say to this day,

1297
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: like you know, when I think of any kind of

1298
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: live performance, like it was also like a lot of

1299
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: first I mean it's literally that was the first live

1300
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: musical performance, like the first quote unquote concert. So the

1301
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,959
Speaker 1: idea that like, as a you know, eleven twelve year old,

1302
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: the first person I ever saw live was York It's

1303
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: just like, you know, street cred for yourself so silly

1304
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: because I did not have like I was not um

1305
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: like in the middle one high school, someone who was

1306
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: like Indian head sophisticated taste like at all like I

1307
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: had I was. I mean, obviously I had all these

1308
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: blind spots was one reason. But I also just like

1309
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't that deep a thinker? The sure sure

1310
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,759
Speaker 1: who was the first live concert you saw? Finally, finally,

1311
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: enough Imagine and Heat. Was it really paramount theater in Denver?

1312
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I like my parents didn't really let me

1313
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: go to I beg every year to go to see

1314
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: Blank Oneitdo or something. Parents to be like no um.

1315
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: And then Image and Heat. I went with a bunch

1316
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: of a bunch of friends from high school and loved it. Yeah,

1317
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: she's great, It's great, it's great live. Yeah. My first

1318
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: concert was Maria right that and I this reads for

1319
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: all of us in a deep way. I just want

1320
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: to say, sure this you seeing b York, thank you

1321
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: and me Mariah Carey love that. I love how that

1322
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 1: reads for all that. I love you know. Which opening

1323
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: ceremony I I rewatch a lot is London because I'm

1324
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: so that they made Spice such a huge part of it. Well,

1325
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: that was closing ceremonies, was it, Spices were closing ceremonies.

1326
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: Clothing is always like more fun like because I also

1327
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: went to the closing ceremony Nethans and that was like

1328
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: also super enjoyable because they brought out like all the

1329
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: basically like all of the famous Greek musicians and pop

1330
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: stars and they were exactly they were all the and

1331
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: like my favorite there's a Greek pop star named on

1332
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: a VC. She's kind of like the Madonna of Greece.

1333
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: And actually Theta ham Will also really loves um and

1334
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: we've bonded over but um so they brought her out

1335
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: and they were all these kind of like older women,

1336
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: kind of like sophisticated women that were like they made

1337
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: a mockery of like how they brought out pop stars.

1338
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: This is Athens, like this is the Olympic Games, and

1339
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's gotta

1340
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: be fun for everyone. And I think that's like part

1341
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: of why they brought the Spice Girls out at those ceremonies,

1342
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: because it's truly, like, it's so funny to me that,

1343
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: like the United Kingdom, it was like, okay, we have

1344
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: like only so much to do, we have and we're

1345
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: going to give the Spice Girls ten minutes. And they

1346
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 1: came out and rode around on top of cars and

1347
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: they were like, get up out of your check. Was

1348
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: it all five of them? It was all five of them.

1349
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: I hate when it's not all it's literally it's not

1350
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: all five honestly, just like punched me in the face.

1351
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: It's never going to be all five of them never again, obviously.

1352
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: But the thing is like, and I get it, like

1353
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: her reason for not wanting to do it is like, literally,

1354
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: if you could boil it down to one sentences, you guys,

1355
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: I can't sing. It's just she doesn't want to do

1356
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: it anymore after doing it for that long. Like I

1357
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: get that she's busy with other stuff, but it's like

1358
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 1: she knows she's bad at it. Well she also so

1359
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: it's not just I mean, yes, it's literal singing, but

1360
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: it's also like I don't think she likes performing. Yeah,

1361
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't think she likes being on a stage and

1362
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: entertaining people. When I was watching the performance, which i've

1363
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: I've actually watched it a bunch lately because they are

1364
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: a gag to me, like the Spice Girls. No, no, no,

1365
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: it's just so funny to watch Posh execute choreo because

1366
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: she's doing it, but she's obviously so on autopilot. And

1367
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: I realized, like when you look back at the Spice Girls,

1368
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: which I believe we talked about this on our episode

1369
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: with Korean and Christina, but my favorite thing about Posh

1370
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: always is how over it she was and how little

1371
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: she did. Like there's that iconic scene in Spice World

1372
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: where they're doing the obstacle course and the reveal that

1373
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: she's just just walking around the side, Like I love that.

1374
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: I think it is so funny, just like the like

1375
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: couldn't be bothered nous of it, Like I love that

1376
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: about her, And so now for her to be like

1377
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm actually not coming, it's almost like, yeah, her home. Yeah. Wait,

1378
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: it's so funny that we're talking about the Space Girls

1379
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: because literally my second choice of what I was going

1380
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: to bring up as my thing, but I was like,

1381
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: people have done that and it actually we've actually only

1382
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: talked about it once and for some reason cosmically, I

1383
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: think probably because this happened in astrology. Um, I have

1384
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: been watching a lot of Spice Girls media on YouTube lately,

1385
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of re obsessed with the whole Jerry, Like,

1386
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: it's so crazy to me that she just up and

1387
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,879
Speaker 1: did that, and now they're still they will still all

1388
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: gladly sit down and do long interviews about it, like

1389
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: and now the reveal that like Scary Spice Melby and

1390
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: Ginger Spice story how Abell hooked up, Like do you

1391
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: believe that? Yeah? I believe Okay, wait, I think they

1392
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: ate each other's and think that's what they did. I

1393
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: think they ate each other's pussy, and then they were like, hi,

1394
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: see yeah, I think they went. I think they went, hi,

1395
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: see you keep smelling that damn pie, dam bird. We

1396
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: should say on the pod. My mom texted me and

1397
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: she said, this is this is separate, this is mom culture.

1398
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: Could Christina, I mean, oh my god, Christie, that's my

1399
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: aunt Trina Claritas Rogers texted me and said, I was

1400
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: on the beach eating a sandwich and a bird came

1401
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: and snatched up myself. A single came and snatched up

1402
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: my sandwich. Damn period no no no space exclamation point

1403
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: space space, damn bird smelled d A m M. So

1404
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: now whenever we we are never me and Bowen are

1405
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: just never there's too much silence, will just turned to

1406
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: each other and go, dam bird. I think it goes

1407
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: on a shirt. I think it goes I think it

1408
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: goes on it's it's it's merch da bird. Wow. I

1409
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: think it's time. Is it time? It's time? It might

1410
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 1: be time for I don't think so, honey. So you

1411
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: did not come prepared, but do you have something now?

1412
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: I thought I thought of sunning. But it's just not

1413
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 1: gonna be. I mean, listen, I've done two of these before,

1414
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: and if I do say so myself, did you always

1415
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: do an amazing job and in fact, as the kids say, you,

1416
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: in fact slay and go off queen queen. But it

1417
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: will be kind of a more rough, a rough one.

1418
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: But all right, So I have mine and I classically

1419
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: do go first. I have mine, and but classically macus first.

1420
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as

1421
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey, George Conway,

1422
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: leave your fucking wife. She is a troublodyte broom thank

1423
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: you Bowen Yang, who is literally aiding in the betting

1424
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: and helping at all costs to her soul the president

1425
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: of the United States. And I don't think so, honey.

1426
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: You getting on your fucking Twitter and being like Trump

1427
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: this Trump that fuck Trump Trump. You know how you

1428
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: send a message leave your fucking wife, who is a monster.

1429
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: I cannot take you seriously at all. And I really

1430
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: fucking hate this public battle that you're having with your wife.

1431
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Fucking work it out at

1432
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 1: home or fucking send a message that you don't support

1433
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: this by walking out on her because she is at

1434
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: all all costs trying to keep him in office and

1435
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: she hurts people. You are a fucking weak person, and

1436
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: don't think that we're respecting you for getting on your

1437
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: Twitter and then being like low key, we don't talk

1438
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: about it at all. Fuck you leave Kelly and Conway,

1439
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: who is viciously evil. I don't think that's one minute.

1440
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: So um, that's that's that's You're going after both of them.

1441
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: But you're telling me I don't. I don't think it's

1442
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: even appropriate to do. I don't think it's only Kelly

1443
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: and Conway because it's such evil and it's such it's

1444
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: such like racist trash. But this guy action is for

1445
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: George to leave. Yeah. Hello, It's like you're telling me

1446
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: you can respect her. You're telling me you can go

1447
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: home with her every day. You guys raised children together.

1448
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: What is going on? It's disgusting. And when she asked

1449
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: that reporter, what's your ethnicity? If that's what we're at

1450
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: in this country, which it obviously is, and you can

1451
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: go home every day with your fucking dignity, get out

1452
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: of that. It's the fact that she has a significant

1453
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: spouse who is in the public figure who is so

1454
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: against the administrat Like that's that's what's bumping, and that

1455
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: is the reality television that I am not signing up

1456
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: for because it's not a fucking joke like any any

1457
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,799
Speaker 1: any other any other you know, person on his staff

1458
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 1: like like like their significant others are like fine, like

1459
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: as long as they're on the same I'm bublically hashing

1460
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: this out. I assume that they're all kind of like

1461
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: co signing it and as long as like and like,

1462
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like it goes beyond Like we don't

1463
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: talk about politics at home. It's like we're beyond that

1464
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: at this point, Like it is personal. And I'm so

1465
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: tired of going on Twitter and seeing his seeing his

1466
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: stuff retweeted. It's like that's her husband, you guys, Like no,

1467
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: and honestly, yeah, like I guess I don't know. I

1468
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: guess some people take their fucking vows pretty seriously. That's

1469
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: a little too serious for me. Okay, wow, Wow, I

1470
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: have nothing to add if you did us something that

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01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: do you know what? As we were talking about an

1472
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: email that was like I'm doing this. I won't say

1473
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: what show it is, but I'm doing some show where

1474
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: like there's like a producer and an assistant and whatever

1475
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: and it's like a whole fucking thing and they're and

1476
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 1: they're like it's sold out. We're so excited and it's

1477
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: like a big And I just got an email from

1478
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: the head person that was like, if anyone has a camera,

1479
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: we can borrow to film the show, like let us know,

1480
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: asking the comedian. Comedian. So just like your job is

1481
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: nothing is real, Like it's just like nothing is actually serious. No,

1482
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: well this, well politics is serious, and our national situation

1483
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: actually is very serious. Okay, that's why I do my

1484
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. So now it's time and

1485
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: his time will as a matter of fact, and it

1486
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: will start right now. I don't think so. Any Snapple facts,

1487
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: which it's the information age, and you are not pulling

1488
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: your weight, honey. I don't need to know that snails

1489
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: don't sleep. I'm just making them up. I mean, any

1490
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: any little tidbit, little bite of copy that's on like

1491
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: a rapper or a cap I don't you know what

1492
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: someone gets paid to do that, and that there's that

1493
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: should not be a job anymore. And there's there's no

1494
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: use for me to read off a Dove chocolate wrapper

1495
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: of some positive affirmation. For someone to walk away from

1496
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: one of these caps or rappers and think that they've

1497
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: that their day has been improved, that they've they've walked

1498
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: away with some earned extra knowledge or something that then

1499
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: they leave, they lead an unfulfilled life. And I think

1500
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: they have to find the other fifteen of knowledge of

1501
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: insight in books. We have to return to books. And

1502
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: until you can print a whole book on a Snapple

1503
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 1: cap or a Dove chocolate rapper, I don't think so, honey,

1504
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: those little copywriter people just typing away and getting a paycheck.

1505
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: My problem is they're not all facts. They're not necessarily

1506
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: all true. And this is and I'm gonna I'm gonna

1507
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: come from my own culture. Fortune cookies, I don't think so, honey,

1508
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: What are you doing? It's not all fortunes? Okay? What

1509
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: about Chipotle cups? Cups? I love it because sometimes they'll

1510
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: sometimes it'll be by George Saunders, or sometimes it'll be

1511
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: by you know, fucking some you know Sarah vowel right

1512
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: of the paragraph on a Chipotle cup and will be like, yes, work, Sarah,

1513
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: get that check. See the thing is like you never

1514
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: know when you open a fortune cookie whether you're getting

1515
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: a fortune or something. That's a little kind of adage. Yes,

1516
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Anyway, if that, if my

1517
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: reference of George Saunders and Sara Vow was a intelluxtory superior,

1518
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to you feel that way, but um, you

1519
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: know that's that's just like George. There's two Georges. Meant

1520
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 1: George Conway and George Spectrum. When I started my I

1521
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, and said I don't think so, honey, George,

1522
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: And before I said the last name, were you nervous? Yes,

1523
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: I thought, well not nervous. I mean I thought we

1524
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: were gonna make a joke about something I said during

1525
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: the episode, and I was like, no, what did I

1526
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: say that? What you think? What do you think people

1527
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: would do? And I don't think so, honey, George, Sara's

1528
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: about oh um, roast yourself. Well, I mean, let's see,

1529
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: I really thinking about it. No, I am, because there's

1530
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: an obvious one and I don't want to say it.

1531
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: And the obvious one is that I've spent a year

1532
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: talking about a breakup and I know, I know. But

1533
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: then the other thing is I feel like I talk

1534
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: about everything I talked in this episode, Like I talked

1535
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: about being Greek a lot, so what I talk about.

1536
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: People also get mad when I'm like, this is my

1537
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: friend from grad school. And then they're like, okay, grad school,

1538
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: that's a problem. That's a problem with them. And then

1539
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you suppled to say that's my friend

1540
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: not from grad school? It's happening to me yesterday anyway, whatever,

1541
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: but who was? Fuck everyone else? It's actually full of

1542
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: culture number two, Fuck everyone else. Sometimes you have to

1543
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: say things with an extra flavor. Come on with the

1544
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: flavor and George, are you ready whatever? Yes, I'm ready, Okay,

1545
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: this is yeah, let's we'll see how it goes. We'll

1546
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: see how goes. This is George. I think so many

1547
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: time starts. Now, I don't think so, honey. People who

1548
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: call their own opinions unpopular, okay, you have an unpopular opinion.

1549
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: How some verses how grave? Okay, let's call it the

1550
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: New York Review of Books. Someone has to write an

1551
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: op ed about their controversial favorite ice cream flavor. Shall

1552
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: we get a fireside chat going at the New School

1553
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: with Masha guess seconds um And while we're at it,

1554
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People who say, what's your

1555
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: hottest take about x Y? What is your hottest take

1556
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: about queer video game characters? Bitch kill you? Um, that's

1557
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: all I have to say. I don't think so, honey.

1558
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: People who call their own opinions unpopular. It's true. It's

1559
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: like they're it's like this ing of like when people

1560
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: step forward and say I'm a singer, it's like I'll

1561
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: judge that, Oh yeah, you better sing first, and then

1562
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: we'll say, if you're a singer, unpopular opinion, Oh you

1563
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: know after I hear it. But um, and this is

1564
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say how popular it is with me?

1565
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: Unpopular opinion is another way of saying Devil's advocate. And

1566
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: I was going to say Devil's advocate. Is it just

1567
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: a way? A little bit? It's self awareness to be like,

1568
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: I know what I'm about to say is like not great. Yeah,

1569
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna turn some heads with this. Yeah. Well,

1570
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: it's also like you know, um, defining what you think

1571
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: in terms of what other people think, which is already

1572
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: is actually a week position to take. Like it's just

1573
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: like I don't respect your intellectual project because it doesn't

1574
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: stem from an actual belief. It stems from you wanting

1575
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: to be contrarian. But let's say we're sitting in a circle,

1576
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: we're just cracking jokes, and you know, one of us says,

1577
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: bad joke or bad pitch blah blah blah blah blah

1578
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: blah blah, and I hate you hate that. I hate

1579
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: this is a bad blank but I really don't like

1580
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: it because because it's like, now I'm ready for this

1581
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: bad thing. Yes, but it's also it's also sort of

1582
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: a defensive, a defensive thing for the person saying it

1583
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: to be like, I understand that this is not my

1584
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: best right, but I mean, I guess, I guess. Then

1585
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: I don't like the atmosphere that allows that, because I

1586
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 1: think that we should just understand that all things are pitches,

1587
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: and I think we should we should not just like

1588
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: demands an atmosphere where everything comes in perfect, because literally

1589
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: nothing ever is. I always say, which is am I

1590
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: getting read? I'm always like what? No, I'm just like

1591
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: this is something that really bothers me, Like this this

1592
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: idea that like we're not in a room that's supposed

1593
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: to be creative together, like we're all supposed to get

1594
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: here and like already know exactly like you don't know?

1595
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah, now I am. I do that all

1596
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: the time, and I hate it in myself and it's

1597
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: like and I would I always say it would just

1598
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: so awful is I'll be like, let's say we're like

1599
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: brainstorming title for you know, this podcast, and I'm like

1600
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, um, what about okay, not this?

1601
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 1: But and then I'll say something because I want to

1602
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: be like, you know, in this direction, but I haven't

1603
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: actually thought of like, well, I kind of like not this,

1604
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: but because it's like it's saying I'm pitching an area

1605
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: for us to go, not well, this is really bad

1606
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not even sorry for saying it, but like

1607
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: it's like, no, this is like you been too many words,

1608
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: so I was, so you don't hate it when people

1609
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 1: say that you hate the it's it's as you said before,

1610
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: just you don't like the environment that encourages that. I

1611
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 1: hate these sort of like self indulgent thing of like

1612
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: so this is gonna be really bad, but I don't

1613
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: like that. And I also think that is a The

1614
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: reason that exists is because someone are scared and there's

1615
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: been an impression that like you better come with the

1616
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: perfect thing, right, and I think, like, not this, But

1617
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: there is a difference there, you know what I mean.

1618
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: It's like putting saying not this, but is putting clay

1619
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: on the table and then you're gonna mold it into

1620
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: something that's gonna be good. Exactly, exactly exactly. Yeah, it

1621
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: all comes down to I guess how creative environment are run. Yes, absolutely,

1622
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: now I really really is. If you can tell by

1623
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: my little moans my phone eating got really horny this episode. Yeah,

1624
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: well I think that. Well, the good news is we

1625
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: are literally leaving for a fire island and three days

1626
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: it's going to come everywhere sexually active? Do you guys

1627
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: want to be very I actually have not decided like

1628
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 1: or not just that, but like I haven't decided what

1629
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of experience I'm trying to manifest. Do you know

1630
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: what I mean? I want to fall in love. I

1631
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: don't know either, Georgia laughs, I don't know either. But

1632
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: what else can I reveal? I'm seeing someone since when?

1633
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: Since recently? Okay? But then is this and I don't

1634
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: know if I want a couple people literally kicking your legs.

1635
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 1: If I haven't seen this, is this a recent development

1636
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 1: that was there a conversation that was recently had there

1637
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: was like a little tiny thing said that I'm just

1638
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 1: saying in my own brain like, well, I guess what,

1639
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to that, man, I'm so happy for you.

1640
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: I even had plans tonight to see someone else and

1641
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: I think I have TEX and be like, actually, I'm sorry,

1642
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: it's not I'm not interested in that. That's crazy. That's

1643
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: so cool. I feel bad for that person a little bit,

1644
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: but I mean, yeah, but the thing is like he

1645
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: has to bite the bullet for the greater good of

1646
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: the world, which which yes, and the greater good for

1647
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: the world and you being with someone in to an

1648
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: exclusive level precludes But the thing is it's not even

1649
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 1: exclusive because we haven't discussed it being exclusive. I'm just

1650
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: deciding for myself. I'm actually cool. I actually don't need it,

1651
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 1: and I think that's actually going to make Fire Island

1652
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: way more pleasant and taking it off the table helps

1653
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: me so much. What you're describing is so that is

1654
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: exactly what I would like. That is such a me thing. Yeah,

1655
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: just being like we don't have to excuse to not

1656
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: have the anxiety, and honestly, once you take that anxiety

1657
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: off the table. You actually, I'm going to say, are

1658
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: free because and I honestly think I wish that it

1659
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to be. Well, I'm sort of seeing someone

1660
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: now to to do that, because I honestly think, I

1661
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: honestly think I have been more comfortable in spaces where

1662
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: sex was on the table, or like dating was on

1663
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: the table. When I've literally said I don't care. Yeah,

1664
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: of course you got to throw the deuce is up

1665
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: in the air and say I actually don't care. And

1666
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 1: it is cosmic. It is a cosmic thing. Your energy

1667
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: is more inviting then when you're like tens Mortimer, Hello,

1668
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: do you sorry? How do you um? I'll read? I

1669
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 1: want to just really swerve the narrative back in my direction.

1670
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: Come on, take it, bitch. I want to fall in love. Yes,

1671
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 1: you can, you do, and you should and you deserve.

1672
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: I just had this, you know where I'm at, where

1673
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: I just had this this really intense thing recently in

1674
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: the last couple of days that I'm just like I

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01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: just want to like sort of like wash, you don't

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01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 1: want it. I don't think I want it? Okay, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: How what are like, how do you go about like

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01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: when we're all there together, are there opportunities? Yes? Like

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01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: well absolutely yes, Just like what would what would an

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01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: ideal uh narrative look like for you? Of like, where

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01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: would you want to meet someone? How do you want

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01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: it to happen? Be anywhere? Literally describe your dream date

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01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: scenario at Fire Island? Okay, go, um, you know maybe

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01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: we're sharing a substance and something to tell your grandkids. Yes, absolutely,

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01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: and then we talk and we go for what. I

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01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 1: literally don't. I don't have any sort of parameters on this.

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01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: I just want to fall no, you know what. And

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01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: here's what I think happen at any moment, especially real

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01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: culture number twelve, happen at any moment. Well, I'm just

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01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: like I for some reason, I'm divorcing the love part

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01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: from the sex part. I don't think I need to

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01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: have sex with anybody because I get you don't because

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01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: I've done it on fire. It's that was awful and

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01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: I did not get anything out of that. There's this like, um,

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01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: what's the shape of a chart I'm thinking of when

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01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: it's like when there are Yeah, it's like, well, it's

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01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 1: like when there are when there are two, there's like

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01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: a sweet spot of like just enough kind of a

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01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: horny game in around me where I am then also

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01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: horny and then are different. But that's that's absolutely not

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01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. You talk from the Greek parabolus. Yeah,

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01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 1: but then when there are then when I'm like in

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01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: a giant party of all like sweaty bodies, it's like

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01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm a sexual. There's there's nothing less horny to me

1705
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: than bags of meat blopping around to music. Was like thereoo,

1706
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,759
Speaker 1: it's like void of anything. And also all I need.

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01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 1: If I see one person that's like too drunker, too high,

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01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: who has just like kind of a debt in the eyes,

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01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 1: look that immediately, I'm just like, oh god, this is

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01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: like a scene from Skins. Yes, it's like it's like

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01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: from Euphoria. From Euphoria have watched I've watched the pilot

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01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: and I want to keep watching. I've heard that it

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01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: is stunning and apparently Zendia is the real you know

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01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: what I was gonna. I saw you. I'm sorry you

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01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: tweet about this, and and what was it that you?

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01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: I said, we have no choice, but I said, I said,

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01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: interesting development that we may have no choice, and it

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01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: is I didn't see it coming because she was a punchline. Yeah,

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01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but she was. She was not even in

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01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,839
Speaker 1: a mean way, but just kind of like, you know,

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01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: the kind of like trying to make Zendea happen like

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01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: greatest Showman. Like it was just like, oh, God, get

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01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: her again, and she is really good in this. I

1724
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: also think you always have to take someone with a

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01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: grain of sqult when they come at you from a

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01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 1: very early age with one name. It's so very that

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01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: it's like so clearly you think you're an icon, that

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01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: you think this is going to be a one name thing.

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01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: Because her last name is what Coleman? Oh my god,

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01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: I did not know that. I think she's got like

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01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: a normal ass last name. H p A. Do you

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01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: know we're on it that um? But I think her

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01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: last name is something straight up from down the block.

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01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: Dia Coleman also is like a good name. Yeah, you

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01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: could easily be a celebrity with that name. You can

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01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: easily be a celebrity with that names Undia Coleman is

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01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: actually a really coaching number fifty. You can easily. But

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01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: she chose to have one name, and that is sort

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01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: of a red flag. And then you slay the pilot

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01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 1: of Euphoria. I've gotten so many texts being like, you

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01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: need to watch Euphoria Hunter Shaffer. It really I was

1742
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: about to say, she has really kind of been breaking

1743
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: out and is very smart. Area an interview with her recently.

1744
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: Also mad Apatow is in it. Yes, in it. She

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01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: wasn't in the pilot. She wasn't the pilot deferred. She was.

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01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: She was the friend who when the day and goes

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01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: to her friend's house. She's a friend new creature at

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01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: the door. Um, anyway, I have might no, Actually, can

1749
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: I say? This is exactly what you say? It say it.

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01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: This is the scene that needs to happen for me

1751
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: to fall in love on Fire Island. Ready, I have

1752
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: to be sitting on the dock next to this person

1753
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: while the sun sets. I have to tell them, look,

1754
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: look at the sunset. Look at the sunset right now,

1755
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 1: look at it right now. You can't look away, you

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01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: can't look away. So, so, George, I'm sorry that you're

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01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: out of the running and your your friend. Actually, so

1758
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: it'll be with him. What's his name? Full name? Okay,

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01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: do you want hath crazy? It rhymes with Zendia. I'm

1760
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: not kidding. Was he swear to god, I'm not kidding's

1761
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: really Oh my god. Maybe the title of this episode

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01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: is rhymes with zendeia I think the time. I think

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01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: that's good. I love that that found the title. I

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01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: love this episode. This is a great episode because it

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01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: served the culture. It's honestly, it served the I mean,

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01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 1: Greece was the first culture. I remember when we made

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01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: the list of the top ten cities of culture and

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01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: actually Athens snuck in there and London, London, which was

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01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: controversial in the moment. Yeah, yeah, so thank you for

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01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: bringing Athens. Had such a great time enjoy I'm so

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01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 1: excited we get to spend a week together. I know

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01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: that'll be really fine, and I'll be very much I'm

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01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 1: in a different house, but I'll be very much the

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01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Kimmy Gilbler slash Steve step and arcle of the house.

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01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: I will kind of come over. Yeah, we're also still

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01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: going to fill one room in our house spots when

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01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 1: this comes out in August. Just know that three weeks

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01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: prior we really straveled to fill out in that house.

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01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: And um, I'll keep you posted if I fall. I

1780
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: know we're gonna hear updates. I wanted to be real

1781
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: with the listeners. I know, I know, I know. Um,

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01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 1: here we go. Let's let's close it the song as

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01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: we always do. That is who well was being fun

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01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: your dog and convince. I am the same. But if

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01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 1: you give it up, maybe let each other. Oh my god,

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01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: look at the sunset, look at don't look. I don't look.

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01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't look like This has been a Forever Dog

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01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:46,960
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01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,200
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1791
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