1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes certain stories may speak to me and even to 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: you differently, maybe more personally. Maybe there is a particular 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: aspect of it which rings true to you, or you 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: understand it in a way which is beyond what is 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: written on the page. If it's a print story that 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: came to mind when I saw the security guard who 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: was killed in the shooting outside the USC off campus 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: apartment complex early this morning, it spoke to me on 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: a number of levels. And yes, not all of the 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: information is out regarding the shooting, but it highlights, I 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: think what we're missing in the larger discussion of similar 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: incidents in close proximity to universities like USC and inclusive 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: of UCLA. Now, if you don't know, I went to 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: Georgetown University in Washington, DC. And if you don't know 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: what Georgetown, the area around the university is like, it's 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: pretty much like Westwood, Visa v. UCLA. So if you've 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: been to Westwood, you kind of know what the area 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: around Georgetown University is like as far as the shops, 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: the foot traffic, the number of students who may be 20 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: walking around. But Georgetown is in Washington, d C. And 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: it's better now than when I was in school. But 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: there are some things which are still true. Washington, DC 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: can be a very dangerous city, even though it's an 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: idyllic university, even though it's in an affluent portion of 25 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: the city. Students are usually targets because criminals know where 26 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: the money is. As a say, USC UCLA, by example, 27 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: are similar in nature. The difference between UCLA and maybe 28 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: USC is that USC is in a portion of Los 29 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: Angeles which has always had difficulties with respect to crime 30 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: and also poverty. What has changed in the past fifteen 31 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: twenty years is that USC has grown in terms of 32 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: its campus and it's off campus housing, moving further and 33 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: further into the neighborhood. The specifics of the story, this 34 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: shooting occurred just before one am this morning at West 35 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: twenty third and Flower Streets, And if you don't know specifically, 36 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: that's about equidistant between USC and downtown. And if you 37 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: remember the revitalization of downtown, it took a while because 38 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: downtown was a sketchy place for a long time. USC 39 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: is about maybe thirtieth Street thirty second Street, so this 40 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: is about midway between downtown and the actual campus. If 41 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: you've ever been on that corridor, be it Flower, be 42 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: it grand be it figaroa. It's always been sketchy, always. Now, 43 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: what has changed the number of off campus buildings related 44 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: to USC, the number of dorms, the number of students 45 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: and businesses connected to USC. Now, this is not about blame. 46 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: This is just about the facts of the demographics and 47 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: also just how the topography, if you will, of that area, 48 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: and as USC has moved further further north towards downtown 49 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: adding dorms, the element in that area hasn't necessarily changed. 50 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: If anything, it's brought USC and USC students closer to 51 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: the element. Again, this is not blame. This is just 52 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: about facts and reality. And USC the university knows this. 53 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: We know about the high profile murder of the Chinese 54 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: student years back, and how in response to that, USC 55 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: increased its on campus security presence, it increased its off 56 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: campus patrols. This shooting of a security guard was at 57 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: an off campus student apartment building. USC knows where USC is. 58 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: And I remember my time in Washington, DC. And I 59 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: can't speak for other students, but I know since I 60 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: had family in Washington, d C. They were very clear 61 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: to remind me you're in Washington, d C. And to 62 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: give you some perspective. Back when I went to school, 63 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: this was the late eighties and just a tip of 64 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: the nineties. That was when students and just people in 65 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: DC were being robbed for their sneakers. You may think 66 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: that's like some old wives tale or something or some 67 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: urban myth. No, they were. They were jacking kids and 68 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: students for their Nike Air Jordans or whatever was pricy 69 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: back then. And my parents told me in advance, always 70 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: remember where you are again, realizing that even though you 71 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: might feel somewhat protected on the campus at Georgetown or 72 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: UCLA or even USC, know where you are. And USC 73 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: specifically is in South Los Angeles. I don't know how 74 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: USC is going to respond to this particular shooting, and 75 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: my heart breaks for the family of the security guard. 76 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: He was just doing his damn job, just like any 77 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: other day, and I suspect that he knew where he 78 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: was working and he knew what he was probably dealing 79 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: with on a daily basis. And if you've ever driven 80 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: up and down Figaroa or Flower or Grand, they're running 81 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: basically a parallel at that point. Those areas have not 82 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: changed that much. Not trying to be funny, but they 83 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: really haven't changed. Now there has been some gentrification. There 84 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: have been some more restaurants which have been put there. 85 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: But I was just talking to Tulla earlier. It's like, 86 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: m you could put some new restaurants, but some of 87 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: the old stuff is still there. And many times I'd 88 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 1: just like, you know what, I may want to stop 89 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: at this Chipotle or remember the Sizzler. I don't know 90 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: if it's even still there, but it was right across 91 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: from USC on Figaroa. I used to eat there when 92 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: I was in my post college days, and i'd hang 93 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: out on USC's campus and now and then as I 94 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: got old, I realized that's probably not a good idea. 95 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: That's probably not a good idea, because I remembered, as 96 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: I was told, remember where you are. USC is going 97 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: to have to deal with this head on. And even 98 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: though it did not happen on the campus of USC, 99 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: it is another example of how USC exists in a 100 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: portion of the city which is just not like other portions. 101 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: It's not Cal Poly Pomona, Okay, it's not cal State Fullerton. 102 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: And as USC has continued to grow in terms of 103 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: it's on campus and off campus presence, I'm quite sure 104 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: there have been other incidents that just have not ended 105 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: up deadly and just have not been reported to the 106 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: general media because it's the function of where it is. 107 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: And this security guard was just doing his job. He 108 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: died at the scene, and from what we understand, he 109 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: engaged someone who was either loitering or not supposed to 110 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: be in that particular location in and around the off 111 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: campus housing. He was basically protecting the students, as was 112 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: his job. And I understand it, and I understand what 113 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: is probably on that street when you talk about West 114 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: twenty third and Flower, It's probably not pretty. It's probably 115 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: very dangerous on a day to day basis, and I 116 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: passed by it every single day. Some days I drive 117 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: down Broadway, some days I drive down Figaroa. If the 118 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: one ten freeway is just too congested, I know what 119 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: that looks like. And even though visually it looks a 120 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: hell of a lot better than what it did maybe 121 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: ten fifteen years ago at its route, there's still the 122 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 1: same amount of danger, if in fact there's more danger, 123 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: because I would argue there are more college students living 124 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: in that area who were not living there some ten 125 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago because the housing, the off campus housing 126 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: wasn't there. This is just one story. It is a 127 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: horrible story about the security guard who was killed in 128 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: the shooting outside the USC off campus apartment complex. But 129 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: it's one of probably many that we're not hearing about. 130 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: This is the John and Kent Show, Kelly and for 131 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: John Kent if I am six Ford to life everywhere 132 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app. Remember yesterday I was talking about 133 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: how these idiots, my word, idiots created this online petition 134 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: regarding Tory Lanes. Remember that, and I said, I wish 135 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: or I think we should have mandatory civics and justice 136 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: and personal finance classes mandatory as a component of high 137 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: school graduation. I think we would be a better society 138 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: if we did. And that applies across the board. It 139 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: wasn't just because that online petition. You can look at 140 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: the other debates about how if they say, well gas 141 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: is four dollars and thirty five cents, I forgot what 142 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: Mark Bronner said during the break. As far as the 143 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: average price of gas, it is thirty seven. Okay, four 144 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: thirty seven. I can throw a rock and hit someone 145 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: who will say, well, that's because of Biden not understanding 146 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: how our economy actually works. As far as capitalism and 147 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: the president's not setting the prices, or we can talk 148 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: about the airline drama and how the federal government can't 149 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: necessarily control what Southwest Airlines does. Why because you know capitalism. Now, 150 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: there are regulations, there are parameters that private businesses have 151 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: to work within, but as far as their individual issues, 152 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: their individual safeguards, their individual standards and practices and code 153 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: of conduct and dress code and all that, that's still 154 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: left up to the actual company. So I know it's 155 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: kind of cute to blame X, Y and Z on 156 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: this government official or that system. But in America, since 157 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: we have more freedom than not, certain things can't be controlled. 158 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: And this is one of those perfect examples of people 159 00:10:54,600 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: not understanding that the airline industry, though highly regular related, 160 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: is not something that we can control. And the only person, 161 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: if you will, are the only entity to be blamed 162 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: here is Southwest Airlines with respect to these cancelations and 163 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: flight issues full stop. Now, this is Transportation Secretary Pete 164 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: Buddha judge, and how he is pointing the finger rightfully 165 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: so at Southwest Airlines for all these canceled flights. Secretary 166 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: of Transportation Pete Buddha Judge joins us. Now, Secretary, thank 167 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: you for being here. First up, Southwest clearly made mistakes. 168 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: What is the airline? Oh, the thousands of passengers stranded 169 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: by what their own employees have described as mismanagement and 170 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: dated technology. Well, they need to take care of their 171 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: passengers and they need to take care of their employees. Look, 172 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: everybody understands that there is extreme weather across the country. 173 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: But where most airlines saw their performance start to improve, 174 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: Southwest has actually moved in the other direction. You've got 175 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: passengers who are stranded, passengers who can't get ahold of 176 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: customer service. It's an unacceptable situation. Secretary, I know you've 177 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: spoken with Southwest Airlines. Could they tell you how they 178 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: fix this? They told me in their words that they 179 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: will go above and beyond their written customer service plan. 180 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to be holding them accountable for doing that. 181 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: Does that mean financial compensation? Absolutely? At a minimum. There 182 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: need to be catch refunds for the canceled flights, and 183 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: they need to be taken care of passengers where they 184 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: got stuck with meals, hotel compensation. Now they've put up 185 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: a website to get those kinds of requests in, Secretary, 186 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: I want to go back to October of last year 187 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: when Southwest had nearly the exact same problem, thousands of 188 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: flights canceled. How can travelers have faith in the airline and, 189 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: to be frank, have faith in your department as a 190 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: watchdog if these problems keep happening. We did, especially over 191 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: the course of the problems we saw this year, was 192 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: press the airlines to increase their customer service commitments. They 193 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: did that, they did that in writing, and now that 194 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: we have that in hand, we were able to hold 195 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: them accountable to a higher standard than what was possible 196 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: last year. Now, again, what we have going on right 197 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: now is different for Southwest, this one airline, than what 198 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: we're seeing across the rest of the system. As a watchdog, 199 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: we are going to hold them accountable and we're going 200 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: to have to take a deeper look at what's going 201 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: on with their scheduling systems. We all understand that you 202 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: can't control the weather. This has clearly crossed the line 203 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: from what's an uncontrollable weather situation to something that is 204 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: the airline's direct responsibility. The most salient part of that, 205 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: I think was when Secretary Boodhi Judge was being pressed 206 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: on basically, well, they did this stuff or similar stuff 207 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: last year, and y'all didn't do anything about it, So 208 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: what's different this year. That's where you should be looking 209 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: at the federal government. It's like, wait a minute, this 210 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: is not a new problem. It may be a new 211 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: weather storm, but it's not a new problem. It's not 212 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: even a new issue with Southwest Airlines. There's an issue 213 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: of what Southwest did not do in this moment, which 214 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: was derelict. There is the issue of whether Southwest Airlines 215 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: is going to be honest as to refunding people's money 216 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: and also making people whole in terms of their travel, 217 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: their travel plans, making sure that they actually give vouchers 218 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: for hotels and meals. That's one issue. But the other issue, 219 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: the more important issue, the larger issue, is what are 220 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: you going to do, Biden administration slash federal government to 221 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: make sure that it doesn't happen again. Because historically the 222 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: federal government has let corporate America do whatever the hell 223 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: it wants. There's been no reason for Southwest Airlines to 224 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: change or to improve since last time. Why because there 225 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: were no consequences. There's no reason for the airlines in 226 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: the industry at large to improve why because there are 227 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: no consequences to the behavior. There's no reason for the 228 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: airlines to limit the amount that they may charge you 229 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: for a bag, which may be fifty pounds or more, 230 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: because there are no consequences. There is supposedly the watchdog 231 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: of the Transportation Secretary, but the reality and the application 232 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: of that oversight is questionable at best. So if you 233 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: really want to blame the Biden administration, you want to 234 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: blame them for not handling this the last time around 235 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,479 Speaker 1: so it would not happen again. Now, you can't necessarily 236 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: blame them for the failings of Southwest Airlines, but you 237 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: can say, well, if you would have done more then 238 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: then maybe we wouldn't be dealing with this now. Maybe 239 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: Now the weather is the weather. We can't necessarily do 240 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: anything about that. And I believe a portion of this 241 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: is connected to the weather, a portion, but the overwhelming 242 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: majority of the issue had to do with the internal 243 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: issues of Southwest Airlines. And they're out of date technology, 244 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: which scares me because if they can't handle scheduling, then 245 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: there are probably other places that they're cutting corners. And 246 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: if you know me, I'm not a big fan of 247 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: flying to begin with. And I always believe and I 248 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: call this thing the roach theory. You know, it's not 249 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: the one roach you see, it's the forty five in 250 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: the walls that you don't see. If we know in 251 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: this moment of this one roach in terms of its 252 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: scheduling technology, which is subpar, what about the other things 253 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: that we don't know, which do impact actual travel? That's 254 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: what concerns me. If you haven't updated this portion of technology, 255 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: where else are you lacking? Where else are you behind? 256 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: And where else may that impact travelers like you and me? Today? 257 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: It's just a cancelation today, it's just a delay. Today, 258 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: I just have to get a rental car as opposed 259 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: to getting to my intended destination on time. Tomorrow, it 260 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: could be much more dire tomorrow. It could be deadly. 261 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: That's my concern because if your cutting corners here, I 262 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: have to reasonably assume you're cutting corners elsewhere. And in 263 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: the travel industry, when you cut corners elsewhere, people usually 264 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: end up dead. This is the John kenshow. Okay, if 265 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: I am six forty, we're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Okay, 266 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: this is an age related topic. I remember I shouldn't say, 267 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: I remember I remember some of my shots, not all 268 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: of my shots. I can't say I remember my MMR, measles, mumps, rubella, 269 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: but I remember some of them because I hated shots 270 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: growing up and I was inoculated very very young, Mark Ronner, 271 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: you and I are around the same age, so I 272 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: know you got the MMR as well. I don't have 273 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: any recollection of it. But I don't have that round 274 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: scar on my shoulder that everybody else had when we 275 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: were kids. Do you have that? No, my sister did, 276 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: And I think, Twala, I need you on the mic 277 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: for this one, because you know a lot about this, 278 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: because you've had everything in the world ejected him to 279 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: you for any number of reasons. I can't remember which 280 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: one that deals with. My older sister has that scar, 281 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's the rubella and they 282 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: changed it or not. But it's around that time, in 283 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: the late sixties, early seventies, early seventies. Oh you do 284 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: have it. Yeah, Okay, you have the scar. Okay, So 285 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: it's around that time. The reason I talk about it 286 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: is back in the early seventies, it was it wasn't 287 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: even a second thought coming out of the polio epidemic. 288 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: In a historical context, people got their kids vaccinated and 289 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: the MMR was just like a staple back then. And 290 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: there's a reason why I'm talking about MMR specifically. In 291 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: later years, you've had the chickenpox virus vaccine, which I 292 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: wish I could have gotten because when I received got 293 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: chicken pox as a seventeen year old, it was horrible. 294 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: I know that was hell horrible, and by extension, I 295 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: learned that the chicken pox virus is going to stay 296 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: in my body for life and would probably lead to 297 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: shingles later on. And to Wala, you've had shingles. I have, 298 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: And what did I say to you? And I said, hey, 299 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: you know my doctors is recommending that I get the 300 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: shingles vaccine. You said what I said, run, don't want 301 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: run away, but run to get it immediately. You don't 302 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: want shingles, and shingles was a two part vaccine. I 303 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: got both parts. Yeah, okay, haven't had any ill effects 304 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: from it. But I'm talking to someone who's had shingles 305 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: and had to deal with it. Was in the hospital 306 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: and the pain that I endured and the medicine I 307 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: have to take now for because if I skipped my 308 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: medicine a few days. There's an itching and there's like 309 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: this and you can't get it because it's like your 310 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: skin is on fire. Yeah, horrible. And the reason I 311 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: talk about that is, coming out of the pandemic, the 312 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: whole perception and concept of vaccines and whether we're actually 313 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: helping or hurting society somehow became a topic of debate. 314 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: And you may not have listened to the mom Kelly Show. 315 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: I understand I'm speaking to a different audience than Nagin 316 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: and Kin audience. I acknowledge and concede that. But on 317 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: the mo Kelly Show, I specifically talked about since the 318 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: politicization of the vaccines, whether you agree with them or not, 319 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: there was going to be an unintended consequence of spillover 320 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: to the concept of vaccines more generally the vaccine hesitancy 321 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: that we saw and continue to see with the COVID vaccines. 322 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to restart that debate. I'm saying 323 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: a byproduct of that was that fewer children were going 324 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: to be vaccinated writ large, and I said, beyond the lookout, 325 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: we're going to have to deal with other diseases. Oh, 326 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: you called that specifically I did. I did, like without 327 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: a doubt. I remember that conversation. So when I read 328 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: that more than eighty Ohio children have come down with measles, 329 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: predominantly among the unvaccinated population, I think the measles vaccine 330 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: we got was like maybe thirty years it was supposed 331 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: to ensure as far as protection. I'm not sure, but 332 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: I think so. But these eighty children have been infected 333 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: with measles in central Ohio and it's rapidly spreading. And 334 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: this is according to the Hill. The measles virus is 335 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: primarily spreading around the city of Columbus and has infected 336 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: at least eighty one children, twenty nine requiring hospitalization. Health 337 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: authorities have not reported any deaths associated associated with the outbreak. 338 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: It began in November and it's increasing through the winter season. 339 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: The outbreak appears to be spreading primarily among the unvaccinated. 340 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: Seventy six of the confirmed infections were among unvaccinated children. 341 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: I have to believe post pandemic, these unvaccinated children were 342 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: either very young during the pandemic or the decision was 343 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: made not to vaccinate them after the pandemic. These are 344 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: diseases that we can control we had if not eradicated, 345 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: we had thoroughly mitigated. I know that there was an 346 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: outbreak of measles a few years ago, but also it 347 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: was in an unvaccinated area. Primarily, these are the things 348 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: which if we can get our politics out of everything, 349 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: we can be better at everything, if that makes any sense. 350 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: If we can remind ourselves that, you know what, Hey, 351 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: I'm not an epidemiologist, I'm not a virologist. I'm not 352 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: even an MD. If we can remind ourselves collectively of that, 353 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: remind ourselves like Mark Ronner who got a d in 354 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: biology in high school, and say, hey, if we can 355 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: remind ourselves that most of our education ended at high 356 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: school when it comes to science. If we can do that, 357 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: then we can protect ourselves going forward. Is we live 358 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: in a world right now where we think we're an 359 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: expert on everything. Now my job is to talk about everything, 360 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: but I'll be the first to tell you I'm not 361 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: an expert on many things. Now. If you want to 362 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: talk music, I will go to the mat with you 363 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: on music in terms of just a musical theory, music history, 364 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: contemporary music. I did my senior thesis on the history 365 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: of music up until eighteen hundred. You want to talk 366 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: talk about mix a Lydian mode or Dorian mode, key signature, 367 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: time signature, we can do that. If you want to 368 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: talk about history in general, that's something that I that's 369 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: my bread and butter. But I'm not going to say 370 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: that I know as much astro physicist theory as Neil 371 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: de grass Tyson. He is an expert in that field. Now, 372 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: there may be things that I may disagree with or 373 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: I may not fundamentally understand, but it's not like I'm 374 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: going to impugne his knowledge because I saw a YouTube video. 375 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: It's beyond that mode. It's a major problem when not 376 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: just the measles, but chicken pox and polio and polio. 377 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: Polio is something that should have been eradicated, but because 378 00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: everyone fell out of connection and from just simple medical truths, 379 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: vaccinations prevented these diseases in our lifetime. Polio should not 380 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: be back. It should not. I will listen to the argument. Listen, 381 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: I won't entertain. Those are two different words. I will 382 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: listen to the argument saying, hey, vaccinating my kids for 383 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: COVID it's not what I want my family to do. Okay, Okay, 384 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: I disagree with that, but I will listen to it. 385 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: I will not entertain any discussion of not vaccinating your 386 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: kids for measles, months, rubella, chicken pox, diphtheria, tetanus, fifty 387 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: plus years of research to polio, to perfecting those of vaccines. 388 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: I will not hear anyone who wants to say that 389 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: there is a connection between vaccinating your children and autism 390 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: because there is no proof. Because that's one of the 391 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: prevailing things I keep hearing, and I'm like, that is 392 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: a lie. Stop telling that lie. Stop telling any lie 393 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: connected around a government conspiracy and vaccinations and chips and anything. 394 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: I can't do it. This is what I'll leave with. 395 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: How do you think these eighty children so far in 396 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: Ohio have been negatively impacted by this decision? How many 397 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: community members have been exposed because of the decisions of 398 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: these parents. I understand as a parent, I understand good 399 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: and damn well. As a parent. You're responsible for your 400 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: child and you're going to do what you think is 401 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: best for your child. But when those decisions then impact 402 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: those around you, the whole community around you, are the 403 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: children around you, then you got to give pause. We 404 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: have to remember, despite how I think we messed up 405 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: handling COVID, we messed up the vaccine rollout, we messed 406 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: up how we've dealt with it post pandemic. Despite all that, 407 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: we should not be debating the efficacy and the importance 408 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: of what I would call the heritage vaccines. And because 409 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: we can't seemingly make a distinction between the two. Now 410 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: we all have to suffer. Now we have to deal 411 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: with polio. Now we have to deal with measles. Now 412 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: we have to deal with whooping cough. Now we got 413 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: to deal with diphtheria. We have to deal with all 414 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: these diseases that five years ago we didn't have to 415 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 1: deal with. And that's on us, mister John and Kenshow mo' 416 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: kelly here care if I am six forty. We're live 417 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: everywhere on the iHeartRadio Appum, Yeah, I know you got 418 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: something to say about what I had to say. Well 419 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: I said what I had to say, and now you 420 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: can have your say. You can always hit me on 421 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: Twitter at mister m'kelly, Mr m ok E L L Y. 422 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: But what you can't debate is how we got here. 423 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: How we got here dealing with measles, dealing with polio, 424 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: dealing with whooping cough, dealing with all these diseases that 425 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: we weren't dealing with fundamentally in America five years ago. 426 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: That's a direct result of what happened during the pandemic 427 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: and how our views of vaccines that turned up upside 428 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: down because of our politics and what we felt about 429 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen vaccines. And honestly, most of the people 430 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: who disagree with me, maybe you're one, I mean, you 431 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first. Most of people who disagree with 432 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: me couldn't even tell me the difference between an RNA 433 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: vaccine and the traditional vaccines, and the fact that the 434 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: mRNA vaccines today are not all of them, in other words, 435 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: the fiser and the moderna mRNA, but as far as 436 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: the Johnson and Johnson that's not so. They're not one 437 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: size fits all, but our feelings about them have turned 438 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: into one size fits all, and so what we feel 439 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: about the COVID vaccines has now been transferred over to 440 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: other vaccines. You don't have to believe me, you don't 441 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: have to agree with me, but you don't have an 442 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: answer for why we're dealing with measles. And that's what 443 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: it comes down to. Say, what you want about the 444 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: COVID vaccines, but you can't say what you want about 445 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: why there's been a polio outbreak in multiple states. You 446 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: can't say what you want about why there is now 447 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: a measles outbreak and not understand that they are inextricably 448 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: late as to what happened during the pandemic. And I 449 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: believe an intellectually honest person can see the distinction, can 450 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: see that one has impacted the other, even though one 451 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: is wholly unrelated to the other. And here's something else. 452 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about fentanyl very quickly. We all are, i 453 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: would say, concerned about how fentanyl has infected our communities, 454 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: has killed children and adults. I would say it is 455 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: tangentially related to the opioid crisis writ large in the 456 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: sense of the they're the legalized opioids, and how they 457 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: were overprescribed, and the synthetic drugs, how they've made their 458 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: way into our community. I think we all understand how 459 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: that has adversely affected families. It affected your families, affected 460 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: my family, and it's a danger for everyone. Even though 461 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: you may not even be a user of fentinel. There 462 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: are so many things which have been laced with fentanel 463 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: so sometimes unknowingly. I understand the larger concern, and California, 464 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: as it's being depicted, is at the forefront of the 465 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: fight to reverse this trend. But there's some other issues 466 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: which have to be considered. Organizations that distribute overdose reversal 467 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: drugs worry that the increasingly bold efforts to save lives. 468 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: We all want to save lives could create legal exposure. 469 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: Just in case you didn't consider this, Some such as 470 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: an outdoor center in San Francisco that opened in January. 471 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: The facility, which in addition to distributing naloxone is that 472 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: how it's pronounced, I think so too opioid users help 473 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: connect them with social services, drew criticism from residents who 474 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: claimed it encouraged drug abuse by allowing pybody I'm here 475 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: to use on site. It closed earlier this month. Other 476 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: pioneering approaches have stayed out of the spotlight in a 477 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: handful of major cities from Oakland to la Plans are 478 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: underway to expand how the reversal drugs it's distributed. The 479 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: feeling is if you make the reversal drug more available, 480 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: then you are somehow giving a green light. Two users 481 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: to use it because there's less of a chance of 482 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: an overdose. That is the thinking. I don't agree with that, Yeah, 483 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: go ahead to because I absolutely disagree with that, because 484 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: the numbers of people who are dying from fittingal overdose, 485 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: first time users are not trying it with the idea 486 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: in their mind that they're going to go and get 487 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: the reversal drug or get instant treatment for that, or 488 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: unwilling unknowing, unknowing us of people who are who these 489 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: kids were seeing here in the Los Angeles and Orange 490 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 1: County areas who are dying from these overdoses being slipped something. 491 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: Letting it be known that there is treatment available does 492 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: not then further the use of drugs. It's never been 493 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: how it works. There has always been treatments in US 494 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: for individuals who are trying to get off of crack, 495 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: cocaine and all that, and it has not increased crack 496 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: usage just because you're like, well, I'm gonna go down hearing, 497 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: get what's some method on or something to help get 498 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: me off? That is how it works. And not only that, 499 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: I understand when people say, hey, I don't want you 500 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: to provide free needles. I get that because the needles 501 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: in and of themselves. I don't agree with that. I 502 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: understand how clean needles may lessen the spread of certain diseases, 503 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily agree with setting aside parks for 504 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: drug use or providing needles in that regard. I think 505 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: this is very different because the reversal drug only has 506 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: one purpose ostensibly, Yeah, and that is to save lives. Yeah, 507 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: it is not encouraging, at least from where I said. 508 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: It's not encouraging the abuse of drugs is actually hopefully 509 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: stemming the loss of life, and that's something very different. 510 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 1: Anyone who thinks that does not actually know someone who 511 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: has been on drugs habitually. I know and have known 512 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: individuals who have lost their lives to extreme drug use. 513 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: Never once, never want in talking to any of these individuals. 514 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: Have I ever heard, well, you know I'm a going 515 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: and get this hit because I know I'm going to 516 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: go over and get fixed later. That's never been part 517 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: of their conversation. It's always been us saying, hey man, 518 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: you don't need this, or look, you got to stop 519 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: them this that I got it, let's put it in 520 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: more relatable terms terms before we go to break Have 521 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: you ever met a diabetic who carried an EpiPen or 522 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: insulin with the express purpose of going wild sugar knowing 523 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: that they had an insulin pen Now is that a 524 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: fair that that is a fair comparison. And no one 525 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: that I know, even in my years of being diabetic, 526 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: did I ever walk around with extra insulin just so 527 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: that I could go is sugar crazy? No? No, that's 528 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: what I thought, because that's when I read to pushback 529 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: on this. It's like, it doesn't make sense to me, 530 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: because the only purpose of having insulin is to save 531 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: people's lives for the most part. Yes, not for the 532 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: purpose of just dietary convenience. No, not in the sense 533 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: of just I'm going to go ham over here, because 534 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: I know I have this backup plan over there. And 535 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: there are people who do abuse their diet because they 536 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: believe that there is insulin available. And those are the 537 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: individuals who know full in hell well what's going to happen. 538 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: But you don't have the push back to the idea 539 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: of people having insulin available, No, because you know you 540 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: need it. Would you rather them suffer some type of 541 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: cardiac arrest or going to a coma because they did 542 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: not have insulin available? Now maybe some of the pushback is, well, 543 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: these are drug users, drug abusers. They chose this, that's 544 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: on them. What would you say in response to that? 545 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: If I hear that, if I hear that, and if 546 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 1: you think it's that easy, then bless you. You've never 547 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: been in a situation where drugs was the outlet for you, 548 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: Bless your soul. This is the Johnny Ken Show. More 549 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: conversation and more dialogue. Hit me on Twitter at mister m'kelly, 550 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: Mr m ok E l l Y. We're live everywhere 551 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app.