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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat back like our bad habit, but

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, My name is Luke Thomas. It is Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: the seventh of September twenty twenty one, and it is

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Speaker 1: time for Morning Combat. My name is as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. I'm from CBS Sports at showtime. The

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Speaker 1: Resident King of Connecticut. My friend in yours it's Brian

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Speaker 1: Campbell BC. Nice to see you, a good friend. How

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, Luke. I'm doing great, don't

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Speaker 2: you know? When you go it's the perfect ending to

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Speaker 2: there's art behind this, there's passion, there's fuel. So as

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Speaker 1: Be, wasn't it Amy Grant, who also said, you know,

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Speaker 1: So that's right, not today I got it from.

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Speaker 2: But hey, shout out to your friends. Shout out to

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Speaker 2: I didn't get to didn't get to catch them in

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Speaker 1: of course the main event from UFC Vegas whatever it was,

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Speaker 2: How many times Luke, whether it's even Andre Rlovsky about

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Speaker 2: And that's why I told you to put your money

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Speaker 2: I'll take the l right here. Friday's dead wrong. How

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Speaker 2: You were like, oh, I've seen this before, right, so

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Speaker 2: He you know, he dominated the fight until he got stopped.

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Speaker 2: But for him, Luke, to transition into a level change

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate it. These are five dominant wins in

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Speaker 2: you were right, brother, And that's the story here, Luke. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: right now, on Tuesday morning, right here in morning combat.

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Speaker 2: So Derek Brunson, welcome to the super Elite. You've teased

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I agree with basically all of

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Speaker 1: Derek Brunson. I echo everything you said, and I would

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Speaker 1: You're already good at this stuff. Don't lose bearing, don't

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting, Luke. You asked me, will he get

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Speaker 2: same thing. If we expect Atosania and Robert Whitaker Part

428
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Speaker 2: two to take place at some point in early twenty

429
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Speaker 2: twenty two barring you know Covid going in the right direction,

430
00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,600
Speaker 2: and Brunson said himself, Luke, and we haven't mentioned it

431
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,640
Speaker 2: untill now. He had legitimate issues in training camp three

432
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,479
Speaker 2: weeks out, was unable to spar didn't mention it at

433
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Speaker 2: all in the interviews, which you love, and you know

434
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Speaker 2: Ali abdel Aziz's manager of the Stars tool Bretto Kamoto

435
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,840
Speaker 2: afterwards specifically the details. I don't have that info in

436
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 2: front of me, which it was, But these are significant injuries, Luke,

437
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,840
Speaker 2: he said, I don't mind waiting because I got a heal.

438
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Speaker 2: Do you think regardless of who wins that rematch, he

439
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,919
Speaker 2: could be next? I mean, how do you see you know, two, three,

440
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 2: four five in the rankings, Guys like Canone or Coasta

441
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 2: Vittori playing out against each other could the seize part

442
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 2: that Brunson slides in their.

443
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Speaker 1: Next I don't think so. You do have the rematch

444
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 1: angle with Adasignia, but that might work against him in

445
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 1: this case because it wasn't a title shot the first

446
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 1: time they fought, but it also wasn't very competitive. Granted,

447
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,240
Speaker 1: we're both saying that this is a new Brunton, and

448
00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,959
Speaker 1: I do believe that it is or certainly a signific

449
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, corner turning Brunson. But you know, it's like

450
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 1: you want to run that one back already. I don't

451
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Speaker 1: think so, especially when Jared Cannoneer is sitting there Paulo Costa,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, if he can find a way back, I

453
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Speaker 1: think it's still scheduled to fight Marvin Victory at some point.

454
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Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the dates on that. You know,

455
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: he's still sitting at number two in the rankings, and

456
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Speaker 1: again you can argue whether or not that should put

457
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Speaker 1: him right back in the top shut or not. But

458
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Speaker 1: you indicated to you see the beginning of your answer,

459
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Speaker 1: there is a log jam. Paulo Costa is ahead of him,

460
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Speaker 1: Jared Cannoneer is ahead of him, Derek Brunson is sitting

461
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 1: at four Whittaker is sitting at one. Whittaker out of

462
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 1: sign you have business. So the question is does Derek

463
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Speaker 1: Brunson get to leap frog basically Paulo Costa and Jared cannoneer.

464
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Speaker 1: Seems like you got to beat one of them. Seems

465
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Speaker 1: like you got to be at least one more. But

466
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Speaker 1: if you do that, you beat number three or number

467
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: two at that point they cannot deny you. That would

468
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Speaker 1: be to me the absolute no doubt about it. And

469
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Speaker 1: by the way, we should say this, dude, how many

470
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Speaker 1: fighters make it to the UFC and do well and

471
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Speaker 1: never put together five fight win streaks and never put

472
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Speaker 1: never put together five fight win streaks where some of

473
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Speaker 1: the fights include ranked contenders since out of top ten

474
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Speaker 1: or even top five, do Derek Brunson has done something

475
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Speaker 1: fairly rare, actually, and he should be incredibly proud of himself,

476
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure in fact that he is.

477
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Speaker 2: Here's what's more likely to happen. More likely is he's

478
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Speaker 2: going to fight Cannon her next Luke, and I think

479
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 2: that would be a deserving for both final stop to

480
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Speaker 2: secure the next title shot. And I just want to

481
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Speaker 2: plant something in your mind and the minds of everybody,

482
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Speaker 2: and maybe I just love the fact that out of

483
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Speaker 2: Sonya and Whittaker, in my opinion, are all time grades

484
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Speaker 2: competing at their primes in the same division. At the

485
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Speaker 2: same time, we all believe Robert Whitaker might actually be

486
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Speaker 2: better right now than he was back then. It's not

487
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Speaker 2: out of the picture that a Robert Whitaker beats out

488
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Speaker 2: of Sonya and b Luke. They go directly into a trilogy.

489
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Speaker 2: So I think that that potential adds even more, you know,

490
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Speaker 2: to the idea that Brunston's gonna have to do a

491
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Speaker 2: little bit more work. But you know, he's on such

492
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Speaker 2: a run right now that Hey, Derek, get healthy, stay

493
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, stay in the gym, stay focused, stay preparing.

494
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I would favor Hm Cannon, but

495
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 2: he's in this elite circle and he belongs, you know,

496
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: and that's great. That's so great to see.

497
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Speaker 1: That's why the Jared Cannoneer fights kind of important because

498
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Speaker 1: we saw what Cannon Eir did to her Manson. He

499
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Speaker 1: was able to stuff the take down. And I'm not

500
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Speaker 1: saying her Manson has the same style or ability of

501
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Speaker 1: takedowns or composure or fight style that Derek Brunson does.

502
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 1: There's meaningful differences. But what was one thing that we

503
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Speaker 1: saw from that Cannony and her Manson fight. It was

504
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Speaker 1: that cannon Air was able to stuff the takedowns, scramble

505
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: to his feet and then put the kind of offensive

506
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Speaker 1: heat on the feet against the guy like her Manson

507
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: that he basically couldn't he couldn't handle it anymore. That

508
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: would be something you would at least think would be possible,

509
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Speaker 1: if not probable, against the guy like Brunson. So the

510
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: reason why you like the Cannoneer fight is not because

511
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Speaker 1: BC just just that he's one step ahead of him

512
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Speaker 1: in the rankings, because that can be obviously quite arbitrary,

513
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: but that he poses just enough of an interesting test

514
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: to see you know exactly how good he is, how

515
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: far you can push this, and if you can beat

516
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Speaker 1: a guy like that, obviously you deserve to be in

517
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Speaker 1: a title shot position early BC. If a guy like

518
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Speaker 1: Jared Cannoneer can beat Derek Brunson, this one who's got

519
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: great takedowns, doesn't rush, seemingly anything at this point can

520
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: get hit, doesn't fold, doesn't panic, makes this is the

521
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: big deal. He just makes good decisions. He makes great

522
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: decisions all the time. And and by the way, this

523
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: guy's been fighting since the Strikeforce days, that's a hell

524
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Speaker 1: of a competitor for Jared carn Heer to walk over

525
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: And maybe maybe everyone doesn't share this opinion, but I

527
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: think also what Canaaniir would offer Brunson is this, you know,

528
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: a chance to beat a guy. I don't want to

529
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Speaker 2: say straight up because that implies the wrong attention, but

530
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Speaker 2: here's what I actually mean. This five fight win streak

531
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Speaker 2: has seen him exposed guys who weren't quite ready or

532
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: maybe in the case of Darrek Till, who were gonna

533
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: talk about in a second, who have legitimate flaws. So

534
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: it's one thing to expose a flaw in another man,

535
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: and and you know, will your way to a victory

536
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: against somebody as strong as Cannoneer, who's coming off such

537
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Speaker 2: a strong win in which I thought he you know,

538
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: bounced back and learned from that Whitaker defeat and really

539
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: looked strong in this last fight. This would be a

540
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: win that you know, you're not backdooring into a title shot,

541
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: You're not doing anything but earning it, right, Luke, is

542
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: there anything to that not that you take anything away

543
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: from his wins over and Edmund Schabazian or over a

544
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 2: even the guy with the Jurassic Beck who was in jail.

545
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about there. But you know,

546
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: to a certain degree you could almost be overly critical

547
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: and say, well, those guys were flawed and Brunston just

548
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: exposed it. Jared Kanneer ain't really that flawed. You beat him,

549
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: you earn that title shot. So I kind of want

550
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: to see Brunson have to do that. And if he

551
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: does it, Luke he he, you know, there would be

552
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: no questions. There'd be no one left criticizing at that table.

553
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Speaker 1: A six fight win streak with wins over Darren Till

554
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: and Jared Cannoneer to get a title shot, given the

555
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: lay of the land and where he's at, is more

556
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: than sufficient. We all know some people get shortcuts. Derek

557
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: Brunson is not going to be a guy they get

558
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: shortcut because we looked at his old resume and we

559
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: kind of thought, oh, we know who he is and

560
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: he is out there trying to get people to reimagine him.

561
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: He's trying to get people to understand this is not

562
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: the same thing. If you want to do that. Boy,

563
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: he is well on his way, but there is one

564
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: more step before you get to the final boss. In

565
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: that case. Now that being said, BC, it takes us

566
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Speaker 1: to topic number two, which is where we turn the

567
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: tables here a little bit. Let's talk about Darren Till.

568
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: And my question to you is the basic one, and

569
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: we don't ask it pejoratively. We're not trying to be mean,

570
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: but you go one and four in the UFC, especially

571
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Speaker 1: when you're hyped, is the next big thing out of

572
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Speaker 1: the UK. We just have to ask BC, and you

573
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: can answer this however you want. Is Darren Till overrated?

574
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? And apparently I was right, Luke. I was the

575
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: old guy saying that for years when everyone said you're crazier,

576
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: You're a hater. And then I come around on Till

577
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: in this fight and say, no, I heard what I

578
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: needed to hear. And to Darren Hill's credit, you know,

579
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's always been a great quote right, whether

580
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: it be talking trash or whatever. But I just really

581
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: like the mental toughness he has shown in his interviews

582
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: leading up to this fight, and when he says, you know,

583
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna no matter what, he's gonna figure it out.

584
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 2: I believe him, and I still believe by the way,

585
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: given his age and all things, consider that he's only

586
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: lost to elites that there's obviously still time. We're not

587
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: panicking to the level of, you know, is he gonna

588
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: lose his job? No, but he is in a you know,

589
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: Kelvin gastallumlike situation where it gets to a point where

590
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter the flashes that you've shown Bill Parcell's

591
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: ad nauseum. You are what your record says you are. Yes, Luke,

592
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Speaker 2: Darren Till is overrated, and what I saw in the

593
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: beginning is true. There's a lot to like and like,

594
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you weren't worried around three for brunts,

595
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: and I felt like Till was one or two punches

596
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: away from putting that away and figuring it out and going, Okay,

597
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: it'll walk through a little bit of hell. But that

598
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: same guy who gave Robert Whitaker Trevor troubles and dropped him,

599
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: that's the same guy here, and Luke, he still is

600
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: that same guy. But you gotta get over that hump

601
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: and win, and that's what he's not doing. So, Luke,

602
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: you tend to know or fancy yourself an expert in

603
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: some of these areas more than me, technical camps, coaches

604
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: and all that. I'm gonna say yes to your question

605
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: that Darren till is showing us that he is overrated

606
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: right now. But what should be the call to action?

607
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: What should be the break glass panic in case of emergency,

608
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: because we are entering emergency times again, not for his

609
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: employment level, but for the idea of how seriously do

610
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: we take him? Luke, there are elements of his game

611
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: or of his demeanor which you can't argue our elite.

612
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: How does he get everything else up to it? Luke,

613
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: what the hell would you advise him to do if

614
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: he watched enough dissected episodes and realize that reel recognizes

615
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: real and he was looking at old Professor Salton Pepper

616
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: and saying fix me, bro okay, take me as I

617
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: am and fix me.

618
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's what I would say. I mean, One,

619
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Speaker 1: I don't fancy myself an expert. I would say I

620
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: am literate about these matters, but expert. No, you believe

621
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: that to the Faraza hobbies and others of the world.

622
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: But from my vantage point, which is what you're asking,

623
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: here's what I would say. If if you look at

624
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: his game and we were able to rewind it four

625
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: or five years, I would really have almost nothing to say.

626
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: I would say he's right on par. The basic problem

627
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: is that his offense is simply not dynamic enough, and

628
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: he's got major gaps in his deficiency. What do I

629
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: mean if you look at his striking now, by the

630
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: time you're right By the time the third round rolled around,

631
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is a lot better. Where

632
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: he was teaping to the mid section, he was throwing

633
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: leg kicks and exiting, and he was a little bit

634
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: more pronounced about his job. That was I thought perfect.

635
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: He was looking good when he was doing that, and

636
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: he was framing on clinch breaks, and you know, he

637
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: was just doing a lot of the right things. But

638
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: here's one of the major problems. Offensively, it's just a

639
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: lot of one two's. Now. He's very very good at it.

640
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: His timing is good, he can cover distance very quickly.

641
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: His left hand is sharp. It's powerful. But that's just

642
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: really one weapon, or you could set it up a

643
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. But I'm pointing out it's not

644
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: like he's been using a lot of uppercuts with combinations

645
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: like he used a lot of combinations really at all,

646
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: it's just sort of fake you out with the timing

647
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: and then the fainting and then throw the left. There's

648
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: really not a whole lot behind. At least it wasn't

649
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: until the third round, and even then it was simply

650
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: too little, too late. That's sort of one problem, but

651
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: the major problem, and this was the one that I

652
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: saw and I was like, oh, this just needs a

653
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: lot of work to his I'm not saying he doesn't

654
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: have ground skills, like if you ask me, has he

655
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: trained sprawling before. He's been training sprawling for a long time.

656
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: So why did he get taken down the third after

657
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: he stuffed the previous attempts by Derek Brunson. It is

658
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: because instinctually he just doesn't have that sprawl switch in

659
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: his head when he needs to, when he is consciously

660
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: thinking about getting his hips back and dropping them and

661
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: the various things that go into stuffing a takedown. Brunston

662
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: couldn't take him down. That was great, But the minute

663
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: he started getting a little bit loose and that muscle

664
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: memory of just the years that come with Matt time,

665
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: Derek Brunston was able to run over him in that way,

666
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: he was able to literally push through him and get

667
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: behind his legs, and he didn't have that sprawling instinct

668
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: at a moment when he needed to have it. Moreover,

669
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: on the ground, this was the worst part. He doesn't

670
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: have two way jiu jitsu right, so he has He

671
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: was underhooking and framing with his arms underneath, and his

672
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: legs were doing nothing. If you go back and you watch, dude,

673
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Derek Brunson, I couldn't believe this, but it was true.

674
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: Derek Brunson let Darren Till have double underhooks underneath, which

675
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: if you do that against someone who's got a deep

676
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: half guard, let me tell you something bad shit is

677
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: about to happen to you. But he let him do

678
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: that because a was easier to frame and then strike,

679
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: and Darren was doing nothing with his legs. He was

680
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: just holding. If someone has double underhooks and they're just holding,

681
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: then what you're doing is you're just clinging like a

682
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: koala bear. You were not entrapping someone lifting their weight

683
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: over you. So you can do whatever you want, sweep

684
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: or sub or whatever you want, a leg and tanglement,

685
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Dude, he just was hanging on man

686
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: you can't be in title you know, title fight eliminators

687
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: or something like this. You can't be in top five

688
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: fights at middleweight when you have double under hooks and

689
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: you're just hanging on underneath. That is not enough of

690
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: a sophisticated offense from your ground game to win at

691
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: this level. It's just not dude, Derek Brunson was having

692
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: his way with him as a consequence. So to round

693
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: out the answer, dude, he needs work, man like, he

694
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: needs lots and lots of work. Not so much with

695
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: the striking. I think he's very adept bringing some of

696
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: those things to bear easily. I think you could get

697
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: that pretty quickly. He is obviously very gifted in that way.

698
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: But the wrestling defense and then underneath the game. Look

699
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: at Adasanya. What happens when Marvin Vatori gets under on

700
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: top of him. He is immediately looking for sweeps. He's

701
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: immediately looking for opportunities to create scrambles with submissions to

702
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: disrupt the base. Dude, Derek Brunson was literally just sitting

703
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: on one knee with one foot up and going to

704
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: work because no one was challenging his base on top.

705
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: It was.

706
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: It was a bad showing if I can be honest

707
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: with you and that that was a bit of a

708
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: wake up call for me.

709
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: He took many backward steps on the ground that you

710
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: just you know, illustrated. I mean it was almost I

711
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: hate to say this because anytime a non fighter talks

712
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: about about fighters, you know, blah blah blah, keyboard warriors,

713
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: basement people. That's where I am all that. But when

714
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: when you Know Barber got exposed by Roxy, I was like, look,

715
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: she should remedial ground skills. Darren Til should remedial ground skills.

716
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: You make Derek Bruntzer not a great wrestler, but not

717
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: a known He's a fader in the ground in pound game.

718
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: He made him look like a killer. So, Luke, it's tough.

719
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: I have a couple questions.

720
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: I have a couple, you know, let me just add one,

721
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: you see one small note to one thing add I

722
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: don't want to cut you off. I just want to

723
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: add No, I'm not the guy to fix Darren Til.

724
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know more than Darren Til. I can't fix

725
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: dar Until. I'm not that guy. But the problem is

726
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: if a guy like me can see those things, boy,

727
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: you better believe his opponents can see it. Too.

728
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know his financial situation. A

729
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: lot of times guys fight because they have to. I

730
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: think this is one of those pause moments where you

731
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: take an extended period of time, you reevaluate your entire thing,

732
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: your coaching system, you're, the people around you, everything, because

733
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 2: you say, I still have a window. I'm twenty eight

734
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: years old, I have a big name, I'm a great talker.

735
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: I've shown you footage and evidence of being a very

736
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: elite fighter in spots. But I gotta figure this thing out, Luke.

737
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: I thought it was most interesting at the start of

738
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: this fight because when Darren Till's at his best, I

739
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: think it's when he is striking from the outside and

740
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: sort of controlling the terms. I mean again, you know,

741
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: maybe maybe my eyes are too remedial to see, but

742
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: I saw him against Robert Whittaker, make Whittaker fight his game.

743
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: Whittaker just happened to be great enough that he was

744
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 2: able to edge him. But what I saw against Brunson

745
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: was a different type of Till. Even though he had

746
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: success in the opening minute and a half of the

747
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: first round against Brunson, Till was pushing the pace. Now

748
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: the announced team you know was speculating, Hey, maybe he's

749
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: looking to crowd him to take away the threat of

750
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: the takedown. But this was a more aggressive Darren Til

751
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: that I wasn't sure if it was a smart game

752
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: plan to go after it and leave no doubt and say, look,

753
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm turning my career around tonight and I'm gonna take

754
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: this fight, or it was a little bit desperate in

755
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: either way. As soon as Brunson changed levels and set

756
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: off for the takedown, you know he got it with ease.

757
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: So luke the panic move. And a lot of these cases,

758
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: let's use Kelvin Gastlim as an example, as people say, okay, well,

759
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: the thing that's really going to fix him is to

760
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: just go back down and wait. And Darren Till's case,

761
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: he was a huge welterweight. Have you seen enough going

762
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: one and two now as a middleweight to question within

763
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: yourself is this the right way class war?

764
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: I saw Michael Bispin say that, and obviously, whenever Michael

765
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: Bisby has, you know, an opinion about what a competitor

766
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: at this level could do to improve himself, it would

767
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: behoove all of us to listen and listen. You can

768
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: make an argument about at Asnya right. He showed the

769
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: grappling against Yoan Bohovich at two o five, and it

770
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: wasn't It was a little bit flat. And then he

771
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: goes down against Marvin Vatory and all of a sudden

772
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: his game comes to life. Now, obviously part of that

773
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: is improvement and everything else, but the reality is, because

774
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: the guys are smaller or at least more commensurate with

775
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: his size, he's just much more of a dynamic force.

776
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Would Till get some of that if he could make

777
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: it down safely? And that's really the only consideration here,

778
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: bec because remember if you I mean to your point, dude,

779
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: this thing about Till, he's twenty eight. He's twenty eight.

780
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying things about him today that are critical. But

781
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: I want everybody watching to know this is not me

782
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: writing off Darrentill. This is me saying, Darren Till's got

783
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: work to do, but the good story is he's got

784
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: time to do it. Could he by going back down

785
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: to welter weight safely? And I remember the last time

786
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: we tried to make walter weight against wonder Boy Thompson,

787
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: he went blind in the weight cut. That's a true

788
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: thing that happened. If you can avoid that, Do I

789
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: think it would behoove him? Certainly? Certainly, I do think

790
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: that it would be see But I gotta be honest

791
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: with you, watching some of the stuff on the ground

792
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: the way that I did, it's not sufficient for any

793
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: weight class. That's just not enough. You gotta have a

794
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: much more dynamic force. If an opponent is allowing himself

795
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: to be out gripped by you essentially to give you

796
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: inside positional control because he knows you won't do anything

797
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: with it, that's a problem. Man. They don't do that

798
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: and any other scenario, and they did it here, and

799
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: that's a red flag.

800
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna make a case that him,

801
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee, and Gasolom should be the face of the

802
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: one sixty five division, Luke. I thought you were gonna

803
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: come out, well, he.

804
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: Could hear the thing till this is what I mean.

805
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: I think Kevin Lee would be a fucking killer at

806
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: one sixty five. What about till at one seventy five?

807
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: Right? I mean, obviously I'm not thinking till he's gonna

808
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: be sixty five, But you get the point of saying,

809
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, he's almost a tweener. Luke, and we don't

810
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: see that with so many divisions these days, where someone's

811
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: a tweener outside of that gap between lightweight and walter weight.

812
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: But he does seem like a tweener. So it's I

813
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: don't know, man, Yeah, you're right. Before we talk about

814
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: other things. I do think he has some of those

815
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: intangibles that I talked about, the mental toughness, the there's

816
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: a lot again, a lot. You know, the size at

817
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: either weight. He's a big dude at either weight. But

818
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: you gotta dramatically change something, Luke. So it's gonna be

819
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting, it's gonna be good theater.

820
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: Listen. The team he's with in the UK, team Kbon,

821
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't have anything but good things to say about them.

822
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I really don't. Maybe he's just better than all the

823
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: guys in the gym so that they can't push him

824
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: in the way that they need to. Again, I'm not

825
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: the guy who knows how to fix Darin Tell's problems.

826
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm only the guy who looks at tape and says,

827
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: what do I see? And what I see is, at

828
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: least in this fight, maybe he had an injury we

829
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: didn't know about. That can often be a thing that

830
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: comes out later. But what I saw in this fight

831
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: was a guy who just did not have the requisite

832
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: skills in the position he was in to get up

833
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: on his feet, to defend himself, to create threats and

834
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: do This is not the last time someone's gonna find

835
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: you in this position. It's not okay to be at

836
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: that level. If you want to win at the highest level,

837
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: that's simply not satisfactory. That's just the reality.

838
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's not the team, like you just mentioned,

839
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: you know, like you say anything bad about the team,

840
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: I don't either. I'm just saying sometimes people need to

841
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: change sometimes it's I mean, look, why did Mike Perry

842
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: succeed so much under coach Lotory Luke. I say that

843
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: as a joke, but you get my point here. People

844
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: switch trainer sometimes because it's just a different voice that

845
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: they need or a different setup in system. Look, we're

846
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: all different, Luke, right, we all find our spouse for

847
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: that one thing we're missing in ourselves that it fills

848
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: in the I don't know if this is the right team.

849
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the problem. But if he

850
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: wanted to panic and switch, maybe it's something. And the

851
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: communication and the motivation. Maybe there Look again, there's something

852
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: missing there. I hope he finds it. I hope the

853
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: man finds it, Luke, because even though I have historically

854
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 2: thought he's overrated, I think he's great for the game.

855
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: I love his personality. So let's see what happens.

856
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: And if Derek Brunson provides any lesson, is that some

857
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: guys take a little bit longer to get better. Sometimes

858
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: they have to switch cams to do it again. I

859
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: don't know if that's what Darren Tilli to do. It's

860
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: not my place to say. I have no idea, but

861
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: he's twenty eight. Folks. You can be as critical as

862
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: you want today, but you must reserve space for him

863
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: to get better because he's got plenty of time and obviously,

864
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: I think athletic ability to do it. All right, point

865
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: number three BC, we go to the guy who made

866
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: the most amount of noise, so to speak, heading into

867
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: this card. It was Patty pimblet a lightweight out of

868
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: Liverpool as well, and he got rocked a little bit

869
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: against Vendramini, but then wins with an emphatic first round

870
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: k all right, BC, very simple, give me a grade

871
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: for Patty panm let's UFC debut.

872
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna push it up to a B plus because

873
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he won the night from the standpoint

874
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: of the interview and the look and the viral highlight,

875
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: and I mean, when you can talk on that level, Luke,

876
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: and you back it up with a dramatic win like

877
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: he did, you're gonna win the night. I mean, look,

878
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: this guy is the type of guy whether you're a no,

879
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: well you know, like it certainly polarizing, but it's the

880
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: type of guy that I'll always say, And maybe it's

881
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: my love of some of the pro wrestling juice that

882
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: gets sprinkled on the real fight game, but I mean,

883
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: he must see whether you want to see him succeed

884
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 2: or see him fail, He's got that it factor. There's

885
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: no question, obviously, Luke. The bigger question is, so I

886
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: give him a B plus from the performance angle of

887
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: it all, but is he of that ilk as a fighter?

888
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: Luke.

889
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: His defensive holes were gaping against a guy who up

890
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: to this point is not a killer, and it looked

891
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: like the train's gonna fall off the tracks. And obviously

892
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: Patty's ability to make the adjustments and figure it out

893
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: and then get a brutal finish. I mean, look at

894
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: like eight unanswered punches after he landed the initial two

895
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: right hands in the flying knee that seemed to rock Luig.

896
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: There's a lot to like in all of that. But Luke,

897
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: I certainly have way more questions than I even have

898
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: excitement about his future because if he doesn't make some

899
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: drastic changes defensively, you know they're gonna they're gonna buy

900
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: him some one way tickets to the basement floor. Look

901
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 2: the sub basement floor.

902
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: You know it.

903
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: You know it, bro, And some guys thrive off that

904
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: because people want to see it happen, so they tune

905
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: in aggressively to see it. And he may be one

906
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: of those guys because he seems to have that it.

907
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: But Luke, there's a lot more to be concerned about

908
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: than love. From my critical position, after one fight.

909
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll give him a BB plus as well for

910
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: the debut. And the reason why I won't give an

911
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: A is because on the promotional side of things, to

912
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: think about, it went abou as well as it could

913
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: given the circumstances, which is there's not really much of

914
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: a crowd. It was in the Apex, you weren't in

915
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: the UK. You were in home, you know, are our home,

916
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: I should say, so that was you know, there's gonna

917
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: be some limits to him, I will say. On the

918
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: good side, I thought he can't. I've seen his you know,

919
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: been paying attention to this guy as he's getting a

920
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: little bit older. His physical physique tells me he was

921
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: in incredible shape for this one. He really did a

922
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: great job. Obviously he hit all the right notes with

923
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: the interviews and everything else. And then you know, being

924
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: able to the way you described it, like someone's gonna

925
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: put together a tweet about this, they're gonna share it.

926
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: What can you show them in that thirty seconds forty

927
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: nine seconds that you're gonna put together there? You know,

928
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: the finishing off of Andromini is just it's about It's

929
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: about perfect in that sense. The problem is you indicated

930
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: was of course his defense. Folks, if you go back

931
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: and look on the tape, and this is a great

932
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: thing about Patty pimblet He's been fighting in Cage Warriors

933
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: for a long time. All of those fights virtually are

934
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: on fight Pass. You can go and see them for yourself.

935
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: Here's my one worry. That's not a new problem. That's

936
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: an old problem that has just maintained his He is

937
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: known for his ground game. As I mentioned previously, he's

938
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: a ferocious back attacker. He's great finisher from the back.

939
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: It's really where he thrives. And obviously you know when

940
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: he's got an opponent hurt. He's got incredible finishing instincts.

941
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: There's mostly just really great things to say about him.

942
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just one punch that landed. He has

943
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: getten hit a lot in fights. And that head movement,

944
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: being tall in the air like that, and not getting

945
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: off the center line, not blocking whatever, all the various

946
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: things he might need to do given the circumstances. It's

947
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: a it's a big problem. And now at the point

948
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: now where like you can absolutely give him a mulligan

949
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: in this one could be nerves, who knows things he's

950
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: working on, But that is this is this is just

951
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: the reality of that. Either that gets corrected quickly or

952
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: he pays for it quickly, simple as that choices up

953
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: to him. I don't get to make those calls, and

954
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure the UFC will find, you know, the right

955
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: kind of matchmaking to bring him along. And as as indicated,

956
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: he's got great experience from cage Warriors, no doubt about it.

957
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: But the time is right now to clean that up

958
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: because if you don't, he's at one fifty five. The

959
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: amount of power punchers at one fifty five, they're gonna

960
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: knock your block off if you don't clean that up

961
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: is endless, so great start. A lot to work on.

962
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: Looke, even though he's from you know, he's a Scouser

963
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: and you know, and they don't get knocked out as

964
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: he said, do you I haven't you know, I don't

965
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: have the vast experience watching his old fights.

966
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: Does he have a ground game, Yeah, because I mean

967
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: he's very good on the ground. Yeah.

968
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: Okay, because there's gonna be some of those obvious, you

969
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: know McGregor comparisons of a guy from that area of

970
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: the world coming in and he's almost had McGregor like

971
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: quotes of I'm gonna take over and look, he's great

972
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: for the sport. Luke. When he says put me in

973
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: you know what did he say, Dublin or did he

974
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: say whatever town he said in in Ireland.

975
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Or the UK?

976
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: Put me there and put me in you know, comane

977
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: event or main event, and I'll sell it that arena

978
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: and I'll show you. I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure

979
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fantastic entertainment. I want to see it.

980
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: He is great for the game. But you know, the

981
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: good news I guess in this sport is losses can

982
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: be non disastrous, like they are in boxing to a

983
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: guy on the rise. But uh, I'm gonna be very

984
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: interested to see, as you will, how quickly he can

985
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: adapt his defense to this level and how hard they're

986
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: gonna match make. Are they gonna give him a soft

987
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: dror run to milk the excitement and the the and

988
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: the potential for for ticket sales and all that, or

989
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: are they gonna do the typical UFC thing and find

990
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: out what they have pretty early in this as well.

991
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be fun to watch either way. So

992
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: that's why I ramped it up to a B plus because, uh,

993
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: there's something very very special there. And I can't tell

994
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: Luke if the fan in me loves or hates him,

995
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 2: And that's what I kind of like about it. He's

996
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: given me a little of both. You know, when somebody's

997
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: that polarizing the fan and you can instantly say, I'm

998
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: either for that guy or I'm against that guy. I

999
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: can't really figure it out yet, and it makes you

1000
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: want to see him again. So that's great to see.

1001
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: That's great for this division. I thought Daniel Cormier nailed

1002
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: the comparison. He looks a hell of a lot like

1003
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: the the late great Owen Hart, the former WWF superstar.

1004
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: This is gonna be interesting, Luke. You say he's got

1005
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: the good ground game. That's gonna help him.

1006
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: He's ferocious from the back. He's very very good at

1007
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: not only just like once he gets there, making an

1008
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: effective use of it, but he relentlessly attacks it. He's

1009
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: one of the few guys who, like you know, goes

1010
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: out of his way to search for the back and

1011
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: he's and that's been a real strong suit of his.

1012
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: And he's been with grounded pound there and he's good

1013
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: with submissions there.

1014
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: If you're a big shit talker and people want to

1015
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: see you pay for it, Luke, sometimes the thing that

1016
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: allows you to survive losses and even big ones is

1017
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: your ability to make fun fights. He seems like a

1018
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: guy who's gonna make a fun fight against anyone and everyone,

1019
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: and I think that's gonna help.

1020
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Him a lot. My daughter's home, Can you hear.

1021
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's oh yeah, this is great, this is great.

1022
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say one last thing here before

1023
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: we move on to some other topics outside of this

1024
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: particular event. I want to talk about anyone else on

1025
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: the card that may have impressed you. And he's not

1026
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: only think he's from well, he's from the UK obviously,

1027
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's from Liverpool. But to me, man,

1028
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, all the attention was on Patty Pimblet and

1029
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: I get it. You know, the guy's got a certain

1030
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: appeal or as you pointed out, you know, polarizing one

1031
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: way or the other. But to me, man, if you're

1032
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: asking me, like, who is the biggest standout from the

1033
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: UK on that card, or even like when I think

1034
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: about top you know UK prospect slash contenders, the guys

1035
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: have really got my eye on, It'll be Arnold Allen,

1036
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: who obviously did not fight on this card, And then

1037
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Tom Aspinall. Dude, tom Aspinall to me

1038
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: was by far the best of all the Brits on

1039
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: this card and it's not especially close. Tom Aspinall is

1040
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: the real deal. Now for a couple of reasons. One

1041
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: he takes his time, he sets things up. He's very fundamental.

1042
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: That finish on Spivak where he went low and then

1043
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: went high on the clinch break. Just good basics. But

1044
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: then when you know you deliver on the basics, they

1045
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: can just do so much for you. And then b

1046
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: see the awareness, the honesty to recognize it is not

1047
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: weakness to say I am not ready for the top

1048
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: of the division. It is in fact a strength. It

1049
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: is a strength to know where you're at, but where

1050
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: you want to go and what it takes to get there.

1051
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: Because that means this guy, obviously he's probably gonna get

1052
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: fast tracked because he's just gonna be out of most

1053
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: of these guys. So we'll see what happens. But to

1054
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: understand that you have work to do before you're really

1055
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: ready for your full potential to know by the way

1056
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: that you know, but thirty eight you can still he's

1057
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: obviously younger, but he was saying he's going to be

1058
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: competing his mid to late thirties at heavyweight. That is

1059
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: very reasonable, dude, Tom aspitall to me looks like the

1060
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: real deal. Holy Field. That's the guy that I think

1061
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: the UK fight fans should be hanging their hat on.

1062
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to love here. I did get

1063
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: a little nervous when you when you said real deal twice,

1064
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: because that implies, well, it can apply two things. It

1065
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: applies that that we've seen enough to know that that

1066
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: he is legit, or it just can apply obviously that

1067
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: he's showing qualities to tell you he's on the road

1068
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: there either way. Four and on in the UFC, seven

1069
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: wins in a row. That's saying a lot. The poise,

1070
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: the way he's setting up these finishes, it is saying

1071
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: a lot. But the reason why I questioned the real

1072
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: deal is we got to see him against somebody with

1073
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: a pulse, Luke, And that's no disrespect to the remaining Hosco,

1074
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: Andrea Rolovski and everybody else on the Sergey speedback level

1075
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: that he's defeated up to this point. I mean, look, honestly,

1076
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: have you have you heard of some of the guys

1077
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: he defeated in the UFC to start off? You know

1078
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: what I mean, That's that's who you face when you

1079
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: start off. You face the Jake Colliers and the Alan Bodotts.

1080
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: But Luke, we do have to see him at that

1081
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: next level, and obviously he wants to take it, you know,

1082
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 2: a slow, responsible path to get there, and uh, there's

1083
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: a lot to like. But I can't get too excited,

1084
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: Luke until we get to it to a next level.

1085
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: Because that's fine, I mean to do you should do

1086
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: that against this level, right, Yeah, that's fine.

1087
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: He's got some work to do in terms of proving

1088
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: who he can beat. But you know, it wasn't like

1089
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: he and Spivac went the distance. He made short work

1090
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: of him, and it was one sided, if you know,

1091
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: somewhat slow the entire time. Arnold Allen, to me is

1092
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: more proven as a top contender or even you know,

1093
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: on his way kind of contender than than Aspital. Aspital

1094
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: has got in your in your your estimation, a little

1095
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: bit of a more of a hill to climb. Fine,

1096
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: but just on what he's showing, the poise, the smoothness,

1097
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: the understanding of space and time and position. It's it

1098
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: looks formidable. We'll see anybody else, I.

1099
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: Gotta ask you, so from this card, people would kill

1100
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: us if we didn't bring this up. Unfortunately, my Lithuanian brethren,

1101
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: Modestus bukowskis dropped his third straight and who knows what

1102
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: his future brings Luke obviously, now that he's got this

1103
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: bum leg Khalil Rowntree Junior needed a big win. He

1104
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: got a big win. He got it by vicious ko

1105
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: after he wrecked the Bukowskis's nose early. But Luke, the

1106
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: way in which he delivered that tko leg strike via

1107
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 2: sideways kick to the side of the knee, You're gonna

1108
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: get a lot of people questioning where we're at, Luke,

1109
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: from a rule standpoint, from a morality standpoint, One of

1110
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: those people, by the way, is not Bukowskis, So you

1111
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: gotta give him his respect. He did put out on

1112
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: Instagram like, hey guys, no disrespect to my opponent. Do

1113
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: not be sending him disrespect. He won this fight fair

1114
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: and square. It's up to me defensively to see that

1115
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: coming and block it. Luke, where do you stand? Because

1116
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: you could make a strong case that we're at a

1117
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 2: point modern ma where hey, man, are we really should

1118
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: we be outlying twelve six elbows? Should we even be

1119
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: outlaing soccer ki or strikes to a downed opponent? I mean,

1120
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: there's a debate either way on all of these topics.

1121
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: Where do you stand on the debate that kicks like

1122
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: that should be a legal or not legal and be

1123
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: a gentleman's agreement not to do them. I know John

1124
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 2: Jones is a history of doing those, but you could

1125
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: recommend's career for a couple of years with kicks like that. Luke,

1126
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: a lot of people talking about this. You didn't put

1127
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: it on the rundown. What are you hiding, Luke? Uh?

1128
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: Not much. I don't. I don't listen if there was

1129
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: a UFC players association, some kind of union and they

1130
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: work together with a UFC to say, listen, the fighters

1131
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: are just not comfortable with this rule, because I do

1132
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: see a lot of fighters speak out about it, or

1133
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: at least you know, they seem uncomfortable about it one

1134
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: way or the other. Then I would be like fine,

1135
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: Like that's just something that they all got together decided

1136
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: they weren't comfortable with, and you know, a little less

1137
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: violence than the octagon probably is not really going to

1138
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: hurt the product, and you know, might say a knee

1139
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: here or a knee there, so it would be what

1140
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: it would be. But I never seem to understand exactly

1141
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: what the argument is, right, because if they're trying to

1142
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: make a claim that this particular strike is so dangerous

1143
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: and in such wide use that it's causing at scale

1144
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: enough problems with fighter's needs that we need to address it.

1145
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: Then where's the evidence, because that's never been presented. There

1146
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: is none actually that would tell you that. So then

1147
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: they might say, well, we want to get rid of

1148
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: it on principle. But why would you want to get

1149
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: rid of something in principle, right, because the idea would

1150
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: be just to injure not to do anything else. But

1151
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: if you want to get rid of something in principle,

1152
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: why would you do it if there is no evidence

1153
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: in the real world to suggest that it's all that

1154
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: dangerous relative to some of the other dangers you might

1155
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: face in the octagon. Yes, it can be different in

1156
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: principle about what it is doing versus others, but the

1157
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: material end ends up being something rather insignificant, in which

1158
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: case there would be no reason to have the principle

1159
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: to begin with. So I never really understand exactly what

1160
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: the case against it is supposed to be.

1161
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I just feel like I get your point, and

1162
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 2: you well it is it is consistent with you. Luke,

1163
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 2: show me the proof, conspiracy head, show me the receipt

1164
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: it's a very easy rule.

1165
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: We want this science world, okay, but it's very easy

1166
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: for anything you want to do. Hey, we want to

1167
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: do this, okay. Do you have a good reason to

1168
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: do it? What is the good reason to do it?

1169
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm presidentes that can that can take away a man's

1170
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: career and livelihood and ability to make money, And I

1171
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: don't know that this is that one. Again, to your point,

1172
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: we do have to see a long track record of it.

1173
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: And you could just as easily argue that any knockout

1174
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: could take chunks off of your career, any snapped and

1175
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: broken arm, any anything, And this absolutely brutal sport is

1176
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: not good for your body, or your mind, or your

1177
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: brain or your soul.

1178
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: Luke.

1179
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: Okay, we established that up front. This just looks like

1180
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: an absolutely devastating, fricking strike, Luke. That can that can

1181
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: really set somebody back. And I don't feel good about it, Luke.

1182
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 2: Do I have an argument to support that that would

1183
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: win a debate. No, but there's a feeling inside of

1184
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: me that then it there's nothing with Lithuania. I just

1185
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: don't feel good about that kind of finish. Luke.

1186
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that. I think a lot of people

1187
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: look at it and they're like, is this Are we

1188
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: okay with this? And I understand the questioning, And again

1189
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not so wedded to the idea

1190
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: that like, wow, this is we need to keep this

1191
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: strike if if there's you know again, if if a

1192
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: majority of fighters dislike it, who am I to say

1193
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: they should keep it? Rather, all I want people to

1194
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: do is to say, Okay, what is the actual impact

1195
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: of this thing at scale in the UFC? What has

1196
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: the oblique kick done to fighters relative to other ways

1197
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: fighters receive injuries and fights? And I think what you'll

1198
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: find is that it is barely noticeable on the list.

1199
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: And so for that reason, I tend to think it's

1200
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: ugly to look at, but overhyped as a threat. Like

1201
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: hurricanes that exist in the that never touch landfall, they're formidable,

1202
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: but if they don't touch landfall, I'm not exactly sure

1203
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: why I should worry about them too much.

1204
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: So should we should we legalize titty twisters?

1205
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: Luke?

1206
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's just cosmetic.

1207
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: Well, if people always ask about this, what about pinching?

1208
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: And then like, you know, tickling, why don't folks use those?

1209
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: Because they don't work.

1210
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: What where do you draw the line? Luke? Can I

1211
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: could I cut the ballsack? I mean, where's the line.

1212
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: Here, Luke? I know you've been dying. Listen. I know

1213
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: you've been dying to cut my ballsack. But you may not.

1214
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean you can't. You can't play with somebody's digits

1215
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: and break a toe on purpose or finger.

1216
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: I just.

1217
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: If they But but let me ask you this. Then

1218
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: let's say people want fighters watch that and go, oh crap,

1219
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: I never thought about doing that. And if round Tree's

1220
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: okay with it, and if pukowskis is okay with it,

1221
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: and if Luke Frickin Thomas is okay with it, then

1222
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: let's make it the new calf strike. And then how

1223
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: many fighters do we have to see be out of

1224
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: action for a year because of it, that the conversation

1225
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: would go to the next level that we would consider outlawing.

1226
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: It, or a lot of fighters try it and realize

1227
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: that they're not all that good at it. I mean,

1228
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: he timed it well off the jab right, That's how

1229
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: we got it. He got Lukowski's committing to it, and

1230
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: then time the in between, and that's how we got it.

1231
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: I was really nicely done. I mean, I see people

1232
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: try it all the time. They're just not all that

1233
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: great at it. Again, dude, I'm not immune to the evidence.

1234
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: If the evidence becomes if it gets popular and we

1235
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: start seeing knees get shredded in a way where it

1236
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: becomes alarm again, then fucking we can have this converse again.

1237
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: It's not that I love this strike and I'm married

1238
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: to it. I'm just saying, if we're gonna outlaws something,

1239
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: we should probably have a good reason and procedure to

1240
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: do that. And something that looks bad but may not

1241
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: be ultimately that harmful. I tend to think that's not

1242
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: where we should be focusing our energies personally.

1243
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: Luke, can you punch to the Adams apple without like,

1244
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: how come that's not a thing.

1245
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: No. I don't think you can do throat attacks like that,

1246
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: nor can you attack the clavicle, and some other things

1247
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: as well. So some things are like like, for example,

1248
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: like why don't we allow igut gouging? Well, fuck man,

1249
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: if your eyes are coming out or being permanently damaged

1250
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: in fights, you can't do this for very long. It

1251
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: becomes a really, you know, insanely dangerous thing. I can

1252
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: kick goes that direction, we can get rid of it.

1253
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: Can you literally kick a guy's ass? Or is there

1254
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: rules against getting too close to the anus or grundle track?

1255
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: Is the I mean it's look, where is the show gone?

1256
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: I think we should move to the next topic. Yeah,

1257
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: that's what I think. That's what I think. Okay, Uh,

1258
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: speaking of which, let's do that next. So BC's all

1259
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: over the story. I'm of mild interest in it, but

1260
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: he likes it. It is it is fairly interesting.

1261
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: Which is that stop with that precursor.

1262
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: Wrestling champion slash brand new Olympic gold medalist plus athlete.

1263
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want to say? The best

1264
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: Gable steveson the American We've been seeing him at Bellator shows,

1265
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: We've been seeing him at UFC shows, We've been seeing

1266
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: him tweet Dana White and everybody else. But in the end,

1267
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: it's not what he went to. What he went to

1268
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: was w w E. Dave Meltzer reported, along with many

1269
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Speaker 1: other folks as well. BC. You believe this to be

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00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: a big story for a lot of different reasons. Tell

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Speaker 1: me why.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously it's a big story because, uh, look, someone

1273
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: being a dominant you know, amateur wrestler and winning a

1274
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: gold medal and then deciding which way they're going to

1275
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: go is big when when you've got this level size

1276
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: and personality. But let's not forget that he just won

1277
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: the gold medal with one second left in a fight

1278
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: that he was losing in patient fashion to dominantly do it,

1279
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: I mean, like, it's just there's so many next level

1280
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: parts of who this guy is. His ability to trash talk,

1281
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: his confidence and Luke how I mean you we gotta

1282
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: why do I want this on the rundown for a

1283
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: few reasons, but want to just stand in applaud Have

1284
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: you ever seen somebody dominate a negotiation period like Gable

1285
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: Steveson just just did knew that he would have two

1286
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: different sports competing against one another to bring him in,

1287
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: not to mention the different entities and promotions within each sport,

1288
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: and then do what you just said, show up at

1289
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: everybody's show, take pictures in the back with everybody, and

1290
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: then tweet at everybody, tweeting at vincetric Man a month

1291
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: ago and waving tweeting at a man the other day,

1292
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: just tweeting out like sign the deal. Put the pen

1293
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: to paper, sign the deal. I mean this guy from

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00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: the beginning was calling the shots, Luke, and I think

1295
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: what was interesting was the debate that started to be

1296
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: had in the midst of this season when people were

1297
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: wondering where's he gonna go. The whole idea was this,

1298
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: you can do pro wrestling for longer and forever, right

1299
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: because it's fake. It's demanding on your body, but obviously

1300
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: it's fake. But do you want to put off mixed

1301
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: martial arts? Meaning if you have a window and a

1302
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: lot of people think physically he has the tools to

1303
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: one dab a dominant heavyweight mixed martial artists on the

1304
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: super elite level, you could argue, Luke, it might be

1305
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: better to do that now, to get into the sport

1306
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: now while you're young and put in those years now,

1307
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: knowing whether you were great or not, you could wrestle forever.

1308
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: What I thought was interesting, Luke, was that this man

1309
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: looked at the landscape and I think he came to

1310
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: the terms of realizing, I can get a lot more

1311
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: money now in pro wrestling, and that doesn't eliminate the

1312
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: ability to one day trans you know, slide over into MMA.

1313
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: But I think what he has said himself up by

1314
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: making this decision is that when he does slide over,

1315
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: he'll already be an even bigger star at that point,

1316
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be it turns out, Luke, he's not

1317
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: going to be one of the guys who's just going

1318
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: to go sign with PFL or Belt or even UFC

1319
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: and you know, go dark for two years and learn

1320
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: every aspect about the game. When he does eventually cross

1321
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: over to MMA, it's going to be on a major

1322
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: platform and it's going to be for big time money.

1323
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: But the decision he made and without knowing details on it,

1324
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: and I don't I think it's fair to look at

1325
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: the pro wrestling landscape right now and looking I think

1326
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: it was unfair for both you as a pro wrestling

1327
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: hater and the hope pro wrestling hater fans of this

1328
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: show to be like, oh, remember that time BC held

1329
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: the show on top of the shoulders, but that he

1330
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: completely hijacked it into the half hour on pro Wrestling.

1331
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: I didn't just do it to just you know, Art

1332
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: and you know, in haul off into the screen because

1333
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: I had the moment, because this is a pivotal time

1334
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: in pro wrestling's history, really cemented by what happened over

1335
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: this Weekend with aw all Out and Luke No, don't worry, listeners,

1336
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: don't worry. I'm not gonna come at you with twenty

1337
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: five minutes about how huge it was that Punk debuted

1338
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: and Adam Cole and Daniel Brian made surprise crossovers, and

1339
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: now the business is on fire and we could be

1340
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: headed through the third Boom period. I'm not gonna talk

1341
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: about that, but what is happening in this period is

1342
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: vincick Man is doubling down now more than ever on

1343
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: the idea of all you little indie guys that I

1344
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: can't understand, go to aw and do your thing. I

1345
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: don't care about you. I'm vincick Man. I like big

1346
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: boys who can move and sell, like brock Lesner. So

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01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: I think Gable realized that the most amount of money

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01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: he could have was showing vincecick Man how many options

1349
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: he does have in the other areas and potentially driving

1350
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: up that price. Because whether you're a close follower of

1351
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: pro wrestling or not, brock Lesner has raked Vince over

1352
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: the coals for ridiculous money in recent years, constantly using

1353
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: the UFC as leverage and working his schedule down to

1354
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: the smallest amount of part time dates for stupid monstrous money.

1355
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 2: Gable has the potential to be Vince's next brock Lesnar,

1356
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: and that's why I think Vince was probably willing to

1357
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: break the bank. WWE has more money now than ever

1358
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: due to how successful their network and licensing deals has been.

1359
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: So this was a major decision in the end, Luke,

1360
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: because if he came in, if he chose MMA, it's

1361
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: gonna be must cy TV for this guy. I think

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: he'll eventually get to MMA, but right now, as pro

1363
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: wrestling is as red hot as it has been in

1364
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: thirty years, twenty five years, this was a big move

1365
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: and he's going to a place WWE where they love

1366
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 2: the big boys, especially the cocky ones that can sell

1367
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: in their crazy athletes. So, Luke, this is huge. Do

1368
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: you have a care level whether this man because you

1369
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: respect amateur wrestling, and you certainly respect the dominance he

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01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: has shown. Whether he does end up getting into an

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01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: MMA cage before, it's quote unquote too late heavyweights aged

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01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: later than others. But if you looked at him, are

1373
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: you lamenting at all him going this direction into an

1374
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: area that you think?

1375
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Speaker 1: I think he made the right call to be honest

1376
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: with you again, I'm not watch a thing he does

1377
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: over there, but I'll say this, dude, I mean, just

1378
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 1: think about what Jake Paul is doing. Right. So let's

1379
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: say things work out really well for Gable steveson over

1380
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: in WW in whatever way he goes, and let's say

1381
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: he eventually tries to make the move to W excuse

1382
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: me two, UFC or you know, whatever the situation is

1383
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: at that time, whatever a good place that wants to

1384
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: pay him a lot of money. He's gonna do the

1385
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: Jake Paul thing where even in his early fights, I

1386
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: don't know if he was sending a million pay per views,

1387
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: and I we'll have to see how things go. But like,

1388
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: you can fight someone commensurate with your experience level in

1389
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: that endeavor MMA and get paid a shit ton of

1390
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: money for it, or certainly at a bare minimum, much

1391
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: more than you would ever get paid right now, Like

1392
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: why not? And if you even if you don't go far,

1393
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: Like look at all of Brock's purses from MMA, maybe

1394
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: not the K one one, probably that one too, but

1395
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: certainly from UFC probably none of them are small even

1396
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: by today's effing standards. He probably got huge amounts of

1397
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: money all the way through, and he obviously accomplished a

1398
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: lot by winning the title. But I just mean, dude,

1399
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: Gable Steveson can go tow make a ton of money

1400
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: up front, build his name to the point that when

1401
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: he wants to go to UFC, people don't remember this

1402
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: because obviously fans are from a newer generation. But like,

1403
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: it used to be pretty clear that if you were

1404
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: signed through the UFC like a grassroots way, you might

1405
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: make money, but it was harder. But if you got

1406
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: acquired from one of the other orgs out there where

1407
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: the fans were hot on you, you got a lot

1408
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: more money. Here's a case where he can build his

1409
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: name where the fans might be hot on you in

1410
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: a much more pronounced way, then come over here. Yeah, dude,

1411
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: he absolutely made the right call. It sucks for us

1412
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: at MMA, but this is what happens when an industry

1413
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 1: doesn't have a whole lot of protections. The job is hard,

1414
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, you can just do a lot right by

1415
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: yourself by going the direction that he did.

1416
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he earned it. And I'm not going to

1417
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: bore you by talking pro wrestling, but I did. I mean, look,

1418
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: I'm not exaggering I've gotten like seventy five different dms

1419
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: of man BC. If you could only get it, Luke

1420
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: into wrestling right now and see taste and feel what

1421
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: aw's doing, maybe you could win them over. But look,

1422
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: I tell them the same thing every time. It's not

1423
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 2: gonna work. So give up the fight. Look I don't

1424
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not in this fight. You didn't grow

1425
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 2: up with this, right, Luke. You didn't grow up getting

1426
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: injected with this sickness where the where you You're not

1427
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: a grown man who could cry after a pro wrestling

1428
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: storyline made good in full circle. So if you've never

1429
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: been injected with it, it ain't gonna happen now in

1430
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: your state, Luke.

1431
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,479
Speaker 1: Okay, every every kid in the eighties was a Hulk

1432
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: Hogan fan. I mean he was everywhere. So did I

1433
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: watch in the era of Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior

1434
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: when they're airing on TV after Sunday or Saturday morning cartoons.

1435
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely I did. But then you know, I hit puberty

1436
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, this is this is for

1437
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: numbers and I'm not one of them. So there you go.

1438
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, I also hit that point.

1439
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 2: It's in nineteen ninety sixth grade. I was just sort

1440
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: of like, you know what, pro wrestling's lame. Ww F

1441
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: is all commercial, comical, cartoon bullshit. But Luke, the fact

1442
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: that you never came back in in the late nineties

1443
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: with the nWo and WCW.

1444
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: And all that, it's mind boggling to me, Gia.

1445
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: It's mind boggling to me that you didn't, to be honest,

1446
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: and because you didn't, you'll never come back in this

1447
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: era either. And by the way, I respect that. I'm

1448
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: not putting it on you. I'm not forcing it. I'm

1449
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: not trying to inject unnecessarily pro wrestling into the show

1450
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: unless I create some kind of spinoff thing. But respect

1451
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: to Gable, he's gonna make that money player, and I

1452
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: think it was the smart move all things.

1453
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: Considered, all right, And then last but certainly b C

1454
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: not least, we have got to get to this, which

1455
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: just pains me to even talk about. But here we are.

1456
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: Uh Okay. So this Saturday was supposed to be Triller's

1457
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: return to boxing, with Oscar de la Hoya coming back

1458
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: long out of retirement after Manny Pacio walloped him to

1459
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: take on Vitor Belfour, who has of course, you know,

1460
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: been sort of outside of the look outside looking in

1461
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: in terms of the world of combat sports, except Oscar

1462
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: de la Hoya got COVID, and so they had to

1463
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: find a substitute, which was Evan holy Field. Now here's

1464
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: the story for folks who may not know. If Arnd

1465
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: Holyfield was promised to fight previously on Triller didn't get

1466
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: it and was basically threatening or even put in the

1467
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: papers to sue them. I don't know. We're gonna ask

1468
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: me c here in just a second if that's why

1469
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: they gave him this contest. But here was the problem.

1470
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: Dala Hoya versus belfour was supposed to be the Staple

1471
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: Center in la Obviously a guy like dala Hoya can

1472
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: draw there. Now you could say that they moved this

1473
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 1: fight to Florida, which they did because obviously without Dela

1474
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: Hoya they're never gonna fill out the Staple Center. You

1475
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: could also make the argument, and probably this one's correct,

1476
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: there is no fucking way that the California Commission is

1477
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: going to sanction a pro contest with a fifty eight

1478
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: year old e Vander Holyfield, who, by the way, even

1479
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: on training footage, has looked bad against bellefour who you

1480
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: know obviously that doesn't have a ton of boxing ability

1481
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: and is long in the tooth, but has I think

1482
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: it's fair to bring up a long history with ped

1483
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: use and everything else in between. BC, what the fuck

1484
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: is this? Yeah? This is gross? This is what it is.

1485
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: It's gross.

1486
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: And I get a lot of people s NBC, isn't

1487
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,479
Speaker 2: this like, isn't this your shit?

1488
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: Right?

1489
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm the guy, Luke for ten years as a national

1490
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: what am I? A pundit? An idiot have been saying

1491
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: hashtag old guy fights right, because that's my shit.

1492
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: I love it.

1493
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: I love the slop. Well, first of all, again, let

1494
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: me reidiate that gas stations are the silent killer, so

1495
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: keep your livers in check. But also, Luke, there has

1496
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: to be a line. There has to be a limit,

1497
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: and for me, this was the limit, not just because

1498
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: Holyfield is fifty eight. In some ways, Luke, that's that's

1499
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: almost like the third or fourth worst part of this.

1500
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: You asked me, does this have anything to do with

1501
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 2: the lawsuit? While I don't have proof of that, I

1502
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: wasn't on the phone with Triller's Ryan Cavanaugh getting you know,

1503
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: a confirmation. How could it not Luke right, Holyfield signed

1504
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: with Triller with the language saying he's essentially signing with

1505
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: them to have a third fight with event with Mike Tyson,

1506
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 2: and the problem with Mike Tyson's come back against Roy

1507
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 2: Jones going so well, meaning nobody got hurt, Mike looked great,

1508
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: and a lot of people were into it, and a

1509
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: lot of people actually exited that fight happy because it

1510
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: was a special situation with Mike Tyson kind of going

1511
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: through another season of turning his life around and redeeming

1512
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: the past and all that. Unfortunately, when that stuff happened,

1513
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: you'll get the copycats, and unfortunately Mike inspired a lot

1514
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 2: of old guys to come back. There's a difference in

1515
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 2: my mind, when forty seven year old Oscar de la

1516
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: Hoya wants to come back for one more and when

1517
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: fifty eight year old Evander Holyfield does so. Luke, the

1518
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: combination of this looks like a make good to make

1519
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: a lawsuit go away, even though the Oscar COVID stuff

1520
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 2: is real and they did need an opponent to sort

1521
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: of save this card. Although you could argue with a

1522
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: comaine strong enough of Anderson Silver versus Tito Ortiz and

1523
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 2: all the music acts. Did it really need to be saved?

1524
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you add that, and you add

1525
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: the obvious commission shopping that was done here. In fact,

1526
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 2: I don't even think the trailer people hid that in

1527
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: the quotes, because Ryan Cavanaugh was quoted by every outlet

1528
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 2: of saying, if California want to prove it, we will

1529
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: most likely move it to Florida, which they did. So Luke,

1530
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: it's gross as shit. So you you're gonna ask yourself, well,

1531
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: b s, would you have been okay if Holyfield, who

1532
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 2: was scheduled to fight Kevin McBride right when the Tyson

1533
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: thing fell through because Tyson has his own issues with Triller.

1534
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 2: That led to Trillers suing Tyson saying that he has

1535
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 2: one fight left. So you know, Holyfield was gonna box McBride,

1536
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: who's old and slow and all that. Well, the difference

1537
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: is that's a fight Holyfield was gonna win, but nobody cared.

1538
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: I didn't want to see that fight. It was gross

1539
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: to begin with anyway. Now we're gonna put him in

1540
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: there against a guy in Vitor Belfort, who's a lot

1541
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: closer to being active and dangerous. He's only forty four

1542
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: and Luke, you know I'm not saying things out loud

1543
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: so I can get sued. But this guy looks like

1544
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: he's freaking What word do you want to say that

1545
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: won't get you sued? Luke? About what Vitor Belfort looks

1546
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 2: like in the pictures right now? It looks like twenty

1547
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 2: thirteen Vitor Belfort. Okayge, Why I don't care that you

1548
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: could say, well, hey, Holyfield was still an active box

1549
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: into his late forties, He's gonna have all this boxing

1550
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: advantage over Vtor. No, we won't, bro because once it

1551
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: gets really gross, it gets really gross. And Bellefort's in

1552
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: that category of the really gross category. I'm sorry, holy

1553
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: Field is in that category of the same really gross

1554
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: category that Chuck Ladell was when he came back for

1555
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 2: that third Tito fight. Where I just don't want to

1556
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 2: see it. There's nothing good that can become of it,

1557
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 2: and in fact, there's a chance that something bad can

1558
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 2: become of it. We do not need fifty eight year

1559
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 2: old the holy Field having a chance of getting hurt

1560
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: or knocked out or whatever. And when you add in

1561
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: Vtor's history, and you add in all the other gross

1562
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: elements there, this is a gross fight that I'm not

1563
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: looking forward to.

1564
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: That I would.

1565
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm almost hoping falls apart. Luke, There's nothing good I

1566
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 2: can say about this. There's not even a good like

1567
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 2: hey man, maybe it could be cool and competitive. Get

1568
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 2: that shit away from me.

1569
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: Seriously, how do we know for a fact that Florida

1570
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: has approved this.

1571
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure where we're at on this, Luke,

1572
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: But as far as I know, this fight's happening, and

1573
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen in Florida. Does Florida have a history

1574
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 2: of not approving things? Luke? I mean, what are we

1575
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 2: what are we doing here?

1576
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know. I mean, this is this is

1577
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the last time I think I could

1578
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: be wrong about this, but I think the last time

1579
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: holy Field was in the ring he was boxing Mitt

1580
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:14,839
Speaker 1: fucking Romney.

1581
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: You know that was that was a comical exhibition. But Luke,

1582
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: the last time, hold on, let me just tell you quick,

1583
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: the last time he was actually in the ring was

1584
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 2: sixteen years ago when the New York State Athletic Commission

1585
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: after the fight, said we will no longer give you,

1586
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: we will no longer sanction you for fights because you

1587
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 2: have you know, you're whatever the term was, you know,

1588
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: you're no longer a safety to yourself in the ring.

1589
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also, I mean you can just hear him

1590
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,440
Speaker 1: in a speech has slurred. I mean, this is unethical.

1591
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: It's unethical, Like, you cannot be doing something like this,

1592
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know what's gonna happen. And by the way,

1593
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, listen, I lived through Tim Silvia fighting Ray

1594
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: Mercer and then Ray Mercer knocked him the fuck out. So,

1595
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: like you know, certainly in combat sports we have to

1596
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: reserve space for anything being possible, which is why fans

1597
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 1: sent tend to tune in on it. But dude, you

1598
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: got Holyfield, who's had a long documented history of an

1599
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: answer trouble selling all of his memorabilia, he's got documented

1600
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: issues with health. He's fifty eight, the guy's nearly sixty.

1601
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: You couldn't probably will see. I don't know what the

1602
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: exact worth is, but you moved it from a place

1603
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: where there was gonna be a strict commission to a

1604
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: place where there's gonna be you know, just guys fucking

1605
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,959
Speaker 1: making airplanes out of paper in their air and their offices.

1606
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: In terms of the commission, this is this, there's It's

1607
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: not just that it's gross to make money off this

1608
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: or try to. This is fucking dangerous. This is potentially dangerous.

1609
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: And if you know, people can spend their money how

1610
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: they want, but I would strongly caution them to think

1611
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: twice about what mans might mean to purchase something like this.

1612
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: Do you know what nobody was talking about that Bellefort

1613
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 2: de la Joya was potentially dangerous? I know Oscar is

1614
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: a lot closer to being closer to his prime, but

1615
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 2: Oscar was still thirteen years removed, moving up considerably in

1616
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 2: wait again against the guy who's starting to look a

1617
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: lot like twenty thirteen Mohawk Vetor in pictures. That fight

1618
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: was getting sneaky, dangerous. Interesting. Now that fight's off, nobody

1619
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 2: wants this. We don't want I mean, look, would you

1620
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: have been able to be talked into Holyfield Tyson three

1621
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: if it was an exhibition handled the same way that

1622
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: the Roy Jones fight was, Maybe you would have, but

1623
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: you would have had misgivings.

1624
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe I could again as an exhibition where they

1625
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: can change rules and timing and stuff, I'm more or

1626
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: less okay with it. But when they wanted this one

1627
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: to pro contest like what what are we doing near?

1628
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 1: Florida's gross? It's a gross place. Yeah, sorry, Florida, I apologize.

1629
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 2: Look what is your hold? Since it's fight week? What

1630
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 2: is your Anderson Silva Tito Ortiz's care level? From one

1631
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: one to ten right now?

1632
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 1: A negative five billion?

1633
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: All right? There you go, there, you go have it

1634
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 2: Saturday night.

1635
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 3: Be there.

1636
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, be nice. If Anderson Silva won. And that's the

1637
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: most I can say about it. You know, he seems

1638
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: to be having a great moment after his UFC run.

1639
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: He deserved it. Tito, by the way, had a great

1640
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: run after his UFC moments as well. You know that

1641
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: win over ChIL Sona was kind of big for him, Like,

1642
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: good for him. He made some money that, Like, it's

1643
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: not even about that. It's just like, what are we

1644
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: doing at this point?

1645
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: Okay, what if they did they wouldn't have done this,

1646
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: But what if they had paid Tito to step aside

1647
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: and we saw Anderson versus Vitor a boxing match? Would

1648
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 2: you been into that? Yeah?

1649
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: All, I'd be all into that. As a matter of fact,

1650
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'd be very much into that. That to

1651
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 1: me is actually kind of fun and silly. But you know,

1652
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:20,799
Speaker 1: I couldn't get.

1653
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: Into it, and you know, as a replacement, would I

1654
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 2: get into Tito versus Evander. Tito's hands are so bad

1655
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 2: that I could be like, that's gross as shit, But

1656
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: it's probably a lot better than.

1657
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: If Tito knocked out Chuck Liddell the way he did

1658
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: and then afterwards, you know, viciously chaote e Vander. I

1659
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: would be really sad. I think I think a lot

1660
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: of fans would be like, gee, this guy's just dude.

1661
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: We would put in him. We couldn't talk about him

1662
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: on the five part rundown. We have to put him on.

1663
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: Have you seen this shit? Because it'd be elder abuse.

1664
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing at that?

1665
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: That's a fair point.

1666
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. Yeah, all right, With that in mind,

1667
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: we're one step closer. But first, BC nine are not

1668
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: going to ask each other questions. It's time for you

1669
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: to ask questions. It's time for dmster dogs. We've got mail,

1670
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: as you know, every well, the day before the show

1671
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: on the Monday show, in this case of Tuesday show,

1672
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: normally it's on Monday, so every Sunday typically we put

1673
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 1: up an Instagram post. You can find us at Morning

1674
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: Combat on Instagram and we ask you guys what you

1675
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: guys want to know, and then you ask us questions.

1676
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: All right, Donald know if I have them or not?

1677
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: I think I do, Yes, all right? Here we go

1678
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: from at case for days. Who will eventually get cut

1679
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: first by UFC Till or Gasoline.

1680
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 2: That's a terrible question, wow, u bo Luke, you would

1681
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 2: agree that both have quote unquote money in the bank

1682
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: as company men. Would you agree with that?

1683
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: For sure?

1684
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: Gasoline makes better fights, true or false?

1685
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: True, much better.

1686
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: But Till's a better talker and more marketable true or false.

1687
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: By the way, people are writing me saying Till apparently

1688
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: told Michael Bisping he tore his ACL ten weeks before

1689
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: the fight, and to what extent that might have affected

1690
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: his performance? Yeah, keep that in mind.

1691
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Till's the bigger brand, right, Luke?

1692
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: For sure? At this point? Well, yeah, yeah, he's the

1693
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: bigger brand. And also he is regionally important, right, He's

1694
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 1: very very improved for a particularly important market.

1695
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be gasolom he and I think Gaslam

1696
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 2: has more bad tape until has up to this point.

1697
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 2: You could argue Ball, you could argue it's even you

1698
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: could argue it to even Luke.

1699
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough to say, all.

1700
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 2: Right'm gonna get cut first. We both know it, Okay,

1701
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 2: I think so.

1702
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 1: I think so from at Tyson Underscore Calm, did Patty

1703
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: the Battie deliver the most exciting UFC debut ever? No,

1704
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: that's not even that's not even a pimple on the

1705
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: ass of what Anderson Silva did.

1706
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, certainly Anderson's the go to. Who else are

1707
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 2: we missing in this conversation? Ronda Rousey, Yes.

1708
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: Right, Ronda Rawsi had a good one of hers was

1709
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 1: fucking thrilling and was the main event.

1710
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 2: Brock In Brocken defeat brock Lis.

1711
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: Brock and defeat McGregor was a big one. St. Pierre's

1712
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: was not a big one, obviously. I think it was

1713
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: either against Carl or Jay Huron. Either way, it wasn't

1714
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: that big. Who else had a big one? You argue,

1715
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: you can kind of you could kind of argue you

1716
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: tour Bell for it was a different era, but it

1717
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: was big. But no, but no, I mean, listen, he

1718
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: had a he had a very strong UFC debut, no

1719
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: doubt about it. But the most exciting ever. No, dude,

1720
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: I was there. I watched it when Silva beat Leban

1721
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: and that wasn't you were in the building. No, no, no,

1722
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: no no, I was covering it live. Okay, but I

1723
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: remember exactly where I was at the moment. I remember

1724
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: looking at my TV being like, what the fuck did

1725
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,560
Speaker 1: I just watch? That was incredible? So no, it's not

1726
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: quite on that level.

1727
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

1728
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep it moving from at my uh yeah,

1729
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: from at Michael Curson. What are your thought well kind

1730
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: of went over this. What are your thoughts on the

1731
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: sidekick Khalil Rountree landed on Bukowskis? Should that kick be banned?

1732
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: You want to go over one more time? Or you

1733
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:08,560
Speaker 1: want to just no.

1734
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 2: I wish I would have known. I probably should. Was

1735
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 2: Am I allowed to see these in advance? I'm not

1736
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: even sure what the morality laws are in morning combat?

1737
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 2: Rundowns Luke.

1738
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should be able to he normally they normally

1739
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: send him just to me. But for that purpose, I

1740
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: think you should see him too.

1741
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have brought it up then, but we've already

1742
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 2: answered that. Maybe can we call this guy on the

1743
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: phone see if he has another question?

1744
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: Luke. Yes, he's asking, what are you gonna wear to

1745
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: the Dying Fetus show in November?

1746
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 2: Luke. People are tweeting at me in the moment saying

1747
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 2: that you attending an AW card is the equivalent of

1748
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: me going to Dying Fetus.

1749
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: Not exactly, it depends. Here's why we can go to

1750
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 1: Dying Fetus for a very small amount of money, and

1751
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: they're in your hometown, and it's easy to be right

1752
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: up front or pretty close to it wherever we want

1753
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: to go. I'm not going to an AW show where

1754
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm in the fucking bleeders where people are sneaking in

1755
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: booze and there's fistfights over you know, chicken fingers. I'm

1756
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: not doing that.

1757
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: Next Wednesday, right, you and I might. We might be

1758
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 2: in the same city together right next Wednesday.

1759
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: We might.

1760
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:16,879
Speaker 2: It's possible that night I have third row AW tickets

1761
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: with two CBS Sports employees.

1762
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: Right. Well, here's the problem. It's my wedding anniverse. Right.

1763
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: There's no chance I'm going with you.

1764
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 2: In New That I mean, not that, not that we

1765
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 2: have an extra ticket for you, But that would be

1766
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 2: the ultimate Luke, get a taste of this third row.

1767
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: That would be dealing with as my daughter cries insanely loudly.

1768
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: Shout shout out to Robbie Schnyder and Jamie Mads from

1769
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 2: CBS Sports. Uh, but that that would that would have

1770
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: been wild, Luke. But it is your anniversary. I can't

1771
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 2: do that to you, Luke.

1772
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I tell them every day if

1773
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: the baby's crying loudly, take her outside, and they just don't.

1774
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: They just don't. They just look at what?

1775
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: Can we stop talking calling her the baby? She's like three, right, Nah.

1776
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: She's too it. Yeah, you're right, she's two and a half.

1777
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: I just do it for shorthand. But yeah, the kid,

1778
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: all right, or the child? Look, the kid is all asking.

1779
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: The kid's a little disrespectful, Luke. It's your own child, Okay.

1780
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: I know it's crazy, all right? From pentameter nine. So

1781
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,480
Speaker 1: sad to learn of Michael K. Williams passing favorite MKW

1782
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: role other than Omar. That's a great question.

1783
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 2: That is a great question. So this ismdb, Luke, this

1784
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: was I tend to make fun of this culture that

1785
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 2: we have where where when a celebrity dies, people are

1786
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 2: just like, I mean, they are heartbroken, and they put

1787
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: out seven different Facebook posts, and I'm like, man, you

1788
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: didn't know David Bowie from Adam. Stop being all that emotional.

1789
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 2: You can still listen to his music, but I will

1790
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 2: say this was one that got through. When I read

1791
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 2: that look and I texted you, I was like, mother, no, right.

1792
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 2: It's like when when Stevie ray Vaughn died in nineteen

1793
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 2: eighty nine. I remember my dad walked out of the

1794
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 2: room and he goes, not Stevie, motherfucker, and I was

1795
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 2: just like, whoa, Dad, WHOA? But now I get it, Luke,

1796
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 2: not Omar bro No to.

1797
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: That one's a bad one Boardwalk Empire. He was kind

1798
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: of big in Obviously.

1799
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any other role so so I'm very

1800
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 2: heavy on loving this man from Omar and nothing else, Luke.

1801
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 2: So I should probably revisit his entire catalog.

1802
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, he was in Twelve Years of Slave as well.

1803
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: He did a bit on Christmas Addicts Aquitine Hunger Force, which,

1804
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: by the way, terrible show. Overrated as a motherfucker. That

1805
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: thing is his IMDb is just too long to read.

1806
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: It's everything, everything is in here. It's amazing what he's done, Luke.

1807
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 2: When you look at the five seasons of the Wire?

1808
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: Is there a strong argument to make that he was

1809
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 2: the MVP of the show, because that's what that's arguably this,

1810
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: you know, no worse than the second or third best

1811
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: TV show of all time, no worse than what is?

1812
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 3: What is?

1813
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: What's your favorite season of the Wire? I'm gonna say

1814
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: season two.

1815
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: Okay, Notice, how luke, you just completely ignored my question.

1816
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: I did, I did, but I hopped it back because

1817
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: it's wrong with you, you know what I mean? Like, dude,

1818
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: I did a whole bit on how Patty Pimblet was

1819
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: good on the ground. Your first question was is he

1820
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: good on the ground? You don't listen either, motherfucker. I

1821
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: just don't call you one all the time.

1822
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: So I mean, what what what an absolute?

1823
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: Well? Just uh, you don't listen either. I just I

1824
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: just let it go. I don't hold grudges about it.

1825
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: Favorite season of the Wire?

1826
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: Well, okay, there's a great debate, and I've got a

1827
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 2: lot of time if you're willing to go down there.

1828
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 2: Everyone's got it wrong, okay, And everyone says season four,

1829
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 2: with the school kids and all that is the greatest

1830
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: season in TV history. Jim Lampley used to go nuts

1831
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 2: On that it's a great season. It's also just a

1832
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: little bit massively overrated, Luke. So season three would not

1833
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 2: be an incorrect answer as the greatest because the dynamic

1834
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: between Avon and Stringer is amazing. But the real answer

1835
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 2: of this, Luke, I'm sorry, folks, rewatch it for yourselves.

1836
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 2: You heard wrong. Season two on the Docks is the

1837
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: greatest season of the damn Wire. It is, obc because

1838
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: you're a white guy. You said that. No, it's just

1839
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: really freaking good. Okay, I love me some. Season two.

1840
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 2: What's the guy's name? What's Ziggy's uncle? Frank Sebaka? Come on,

1841
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 2: my man, Bogo, you know about Frank Sebaka? Luke that

1842
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 2: season two is the best season, and I'll fight you

1843
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 2: over it, all right.

1844
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Also I agree with you first of all. And

1845
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: also you're part about like, oh everyone morens celebrities. They

1846
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's true that there's a bit of

1847
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: like melodramatic nonsense to it all. But you know, when

1848
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: the guy was open about addiction issues and then he dies,

1849
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: If I'm an overdose after doing it's just awful, it's

1850
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: just awful. So uh, it's terrible. And if you've not

1851
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: seen the Wire. I don't know what you're waiting for.

1852
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: So is he the MVP of the show, Luke? Because

1853
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 2: I think Stringer Bell was Idris Elba. I think he

1854
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: was the MVP of the show. Are you a? Omar

1855
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: was the best?

1856
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. Stringer Bell, Idris Elba is just

1857
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: a It's just an unbelievable actor. Michael Williams was too.

1858
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, and that character. I don't know if the

1859
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: character was as interesting, but he made it as interesting

1860
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: as it could have been relative to Omar.

1861
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: So I can't believe you agree with me on season two, Luke.

1862
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: That just that's allowing me to forget your your you know,

1863
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: uh saying that I don't listen to you, which could

1864
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 2: not be further from the truth. Patty Pimblet notwithstanding, Luke,

1865
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: but uh wow, I didn't know we had that in common,

1866
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: like we could have been hanging out.

1867
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: Also, one of my favorite bars from reup Gang, which

1868
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: is half Clips, half these other guys and the bar

1869
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: is where the Wire season two bitches back to the docks.

1870
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: It's just one of my favorites.

1871
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, and hey, how about okay, do you remember

1872
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 2: real quick? You remember the crazy. Uh, what's the guy's name?

1873
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: What's the what's the crazy? Sobaca kid?

1874
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

1875
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: Not Lenny? What the hell is his name? Giggy Ziggy Ziggy?

1876
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 2: How about Ziggy's cousin Nick? How about his girlfriend?

1877
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: You remember? I don't?

1878
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 2: Okay, she's the real She's a real MVP of that show.

1879
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: Luke duly noted all right, last but so not least

1880
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: from Danny Underscore Bridgewater, in light of Abba dropping new

1881
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 1: tracks for the first time in forty years. If you

1882
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: could bring back a band slash solo artist that has

1883
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: broken up or just stop making music, who would you choose?

1884
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: Uh, this will be a little bit of a deep cut, Luke.

1885
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 2: But Okay, back when I was single and had disposable income,

1886
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 2: we used to say, like, you know, if this band

1887
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 2: came back, because back then, before David Lee Roth had

1888
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 2: reunite with Van Halen, my friends and I would always

1889
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 2: be like, what's the distance you'd drive for that? Like

1890
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: if they announced that tomorrow and the first concert was,

1891
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: you know, sixteen hours away, would you get in the

1892
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 2: car and just drop everything?

1893
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: You know?

1894
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a deep cut. And by the way,

1895
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 2: they ended up reuniting and it was what it was.

1896
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a deep cut. But I think

1897
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 2: Whiskey Town, the former Ryan Adams led alternative country, groundbreaking

1898
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 2: late nineties band who specialized in that just roots Americana rock, bluegrass,

1899
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 2: sea country rock folk combination, if they ever got back together,

1900
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,879
Speaker 2: your boy BC know. Ryan Adams has made some horrific

1901
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 2: headlines in the me too era of late with the

1902
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 2: Mally with a with the Mandy Moore fallout of his marriage,

1903
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 2: But that would be some shit for me. But Luke,

1904
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 2: that's a deep cut for me personally. I'm sure you

1905
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: have some you know, uh death by Abortion rock band

1906
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: to to bring.

1907
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: Out in uh in really no no Texas bands like if.

1908
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: Well, if don back, Daryl could come back from the dead.

1909
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 2: That's my pick. That's probably where you're at, right Luke.

1910
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: No, But I'm glad that you've decided for me what

1911
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: my pick is and what it is. And my answer

1912
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: is going to be Clips, which I just kind of mentioned.

1913
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,839
Speaker 1: It was the two brothers push a t in Malice

1914
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: and then Malice kind of had this conversion to Christianity,

1915
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: so he became literally no Malice is now his name.

1916
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 2: He became literally awesome, Yes, no.

1917
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: He became terrible because they don't make music anymore, and

1918
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: the music they made before was fucking amazing. Obviously, Push

1919
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: a t still out there doing his thing, but I

1920
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: wish that Clips were back together as good as Push

1921
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: the Teas. So sucks that Malice or no Allace did

1922
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 1: what he did. But what are you gonna do? All right?

1923
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, Dude, somebody sent who's this guy? Somebody

1924
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: sent me this band that I was supposed to check out,

1925
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 2: and they're interesting, Luke. It's progressive metal. I don't have

1926
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 2: to get back to you on this, okay, Luke. Oh

1927
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: have you ever heard of the band between the Buried

1928
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: and me?

1929
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: Uh?

1930
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 2: It's progressive death metal and some fella I'm sorry, I

1931
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: don't have a name right in front of me he

1932
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 2: sent me. He's like, dude, you got to listen to

1933
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 2: the Parallax two Future Sequence album and Luke, the singing

1934
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 2: is atrocious because it's death metal, but the music is

1935
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 2: a common wave between you know, hardcore metal and progressive

1936
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 2: rock and almost jazz influenced. It's some great shit. And

1937
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people are telling me, hey, BC, the

1938
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 2: bridge between you and Luke, the common ground. It's not

1939
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: just rage against the Machine or nine Dyes alt rock.

1940
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 2: It actually is that that bridge between Luke's crazy death

1941
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 2: metal and my love for very sophisticated jazz fusion progressive rock.

1942
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 2: There is a middle there. There's a genre Luke that

1943
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 2: people said we could be hanging out and watching season

1944
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: two of The Wire together listening.

1945
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: I got your car, the Melissa eth Ridgemobile, and in

1946
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: there you just had like Rabbi Shankarr fucking no no.

1947
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: I had just hours of Rabbi car on the fucking sitar.

1948
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: Just nothing in particular. I'm like the real ones.

1949
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 2: I had the Mahavish New Orchestra with the great John

1950
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: McLaughlin and it was a weird track with a lot

1951
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 2: of and Luke he has an Indian influence. He's got

1952
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 2: a spin off band called shok Tea. But I could

1953
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: have picked a lot, like if Weather Report had been on,

1954
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 2: you would have given you've been getting down with me?

1955
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 2: But unfortunately, Yeah, it was like if you were like, hey, BC,

1956
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: here's a Dying Fetus's hardest track, I would be let.

1957
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: Me ask you are you into your into that kind

1958
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: of music? Why aren't you? Are you into Indian food?

1959
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: I like it?

1960
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: I like it. I like a good Indian buff.

1961
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: I think Indian food is just like it's just it's

1962
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: just unbelievably good. You got like experimental music tastes, You

1963
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: got like okay food tastes.

1964
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I grew up as basic in food wise

1965
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 2: as you can. But I'm trying to evolve over the years. Luke,

1966
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 2: can I ask you quickly about death metal? Why how

1967
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 2: could you tolerate the singing? I mean it's atrocious, Luke.

1968
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. People think I like all kinds

1969
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 1: of death metal. I don't. I like a little bit

1970
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: of it. There's a couple of bands I like a lot, obviously,

1971
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 1: but most of the time people send me recommendations to

1972
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 1: listen to, like Vomitatorium, and I'm like, no, this is terrible.

1973
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: I don't want anything to do with this. I just

1974
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: make a couple of exceptions along the way.

1975
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 2: All right, Well, shout out to Corey Marlin for hooking

1976
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 2: me up with that band. I'm getting him into Cream

1977
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 2: just the same. Look, not my cream, not cream get

1978
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 2: on top, but the one of the greatest bands of

1979
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 2: all time.

1980
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: All right, one day Anti Vaxxer Eric Clapton, one.

1981
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: Day, Look the thing is about you and me, and

1982
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 2: we had a little dust up today. I'm not afraid

1983
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: to document our divorce on a documentary. I'm not afraid. Look.

1984
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 2: I go so close to the fire and the edge

1985
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 2: on this show that if it leads to us never

1986
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 2: talking again, I'll sacrifice that for the art. Okay, well,

1987
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 2: before we.

1988
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Do that, we need to watch elder abuse and lions

1989
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: eating fucking hippos. I guess it's time for your stuff.

1990
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. We scoured the globe, Luke, the good and bad,

1991
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 2: the ugly, the highs and lows and in between of

1992
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 2: combat sports and beyond. And we are two weeks out,

1993
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: so this is going to be a loaded one. Shout

1994
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 2: out to Gaff for compiling all this shit. Have you

1995
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 2: seen it? In fact, let's do this all right, Gaff

1996
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 2: Pierre on the ones and two setting me up, Luke,

1997
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 2: how about we go to PFL from two weeks ago.

1998
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 2: I had to bring this back Brandon Jenkins with the

1999
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 2: flying knee Ko, Luke, this is gonna be a nice

2000
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 2: little appy tizer to get us ready for what's coming.

2001
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, jumping switch knee bop, that's the one. Like

2002
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: Paul Daily hit on Brendan Ward I believe pretty close.

2003
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it was good stuff right there

2004
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 2: from Brandon. Don't call me Bubba Jenkins. All right, let's

2005
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: go over to nacionis MMA one, says Evon Perez. Know

2006
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: does he knock out Emmanuel Rivero? But how dirty is this?

2007
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Is this? Uh?

2008
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 2: The old hendo, the old the old UFC one hundred

2009
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 2: stamp that he put on there.

2010
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: Wow, ah, you don't have enough brain damage. Let me

2011
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: help you with.

2012
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 2: I think that's regional uh Mexican m m A. There's

2013
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 2: no rules, Luke, there's no rules. Okay, let's keep it going.

2014
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 2: Let's get to some women's boxing l o ls. Do

2015
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 2: you see this face off kiss Luke? Okay, okay, yeah, uh.

2016
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, wears today.

2017
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, if that didn't get you off, this will

2018
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 2: polish boxing. EWA, brad Nika. She brought a damn she

2019
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 2: brought a damn dildo and put in the face of

2020
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 2: Annelia Bogose. Annelia has not taken that ship, Luke, at

2021
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: least not with cameras around.

2022
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: You know, these are your type of women right here. Yeah,

2023
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: this is this is the BC fucking center of the

2024
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 1: target right here, like Eastern pasty, Eastern European women and

2025
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: scantily clo scanily clad clothing throwing dildos at each other. Yeah.

2026
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean remember sometimes like Modafari will bring gifts to

2027
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 2: the scales for the face off, you know, and we're like,

2028
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 2: what's going on here? This is an interesting gift right here, Luke.

2029
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 2: So uh wow, all right, let's keep it going. Let's

2030
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 2: go over to the women's kickboxing ring. Luke, this is

2031
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 2: a vicious ko Get ready for this shit, Luke.

2032
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, is the left hook going to

2033
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 1: keep landing? And yes, the left hook is going to

2034
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: keep landing.

2035
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 2: God, that's one of those where you just it's like

2036
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 2: ww with the just open the coffin. They fall right

2037
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 2: in the matches over, Luke.

2038
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 1: I mean they fall face first. You can just go

2039
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,440
Speaker 1: ahead and call the stretcher over immediately.

2040
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, all right, hey, Luke, you have a

2041
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 2: problem with tough people wearing gloves when they work out.

2042
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 2: We'll say it to their face. Here's tail Femal Lopez

2043
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 2: Junior are getting ready for his Tuesday Night Triller showdown, Luke.

2044
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if he knows this, but this

2045
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: will do nothing for your bench.

2046
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 2: He's working his abs at the same time.

2047
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 1: Luke, Okay, if he wants to work on his core,

2048
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 1: it's great for your core. Ain't gonna do ship for

2049
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: your bench?

2050
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah that those red gloves must anger you. Luke,

2051
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: that's just angering you.

2052
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: Just I just you know. I like Tao a lot.

2053
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 1: I think he's an incredible boxer. I gotta have a

2054
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 1: talk with him about these.

2055
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll have mom. We'll have mom. We'll get down

2056
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 2: to the bottom of it. Let's go over to one championship. Luke,

2057
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 2: What the hell is your boys, Gordon Ryan and Gary

2058
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Tonan doing here?

2059
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: Uh?

2060
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's that's funny, I guess, Luke. Oh,

2061
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 2: play a little haw's your father? Yeah? There you go. Okay,

2062
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, bad to the bone these guys, Luke. Yeah,

2063
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 2: that's great. Okay, let's keep it rolling. Uh, Luke. You

2064
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 2: remember UFC newcomer Chris Motino. Check this out.

2065
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: Okay, he's my new favorite fighter. People don't know. This

2066
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: is where BC and I hang out before Rich New Diaries,

2067
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: Room Service Diaries.

2068
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 2: Only It's it's Minich and Gaff sitting topless on top

2069
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 2: of the watch.

2070
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this man is just living life in a

2071
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,520
Speaker 1: way that I could not possibly.

2072
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 2: Critique how much wheat is in that is in that.

2073
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 1: I'll say this, he is wasting a lot of perfectly

2074
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: good grass over there. But God bless him. He is

2075
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 1: having some fun and the ladies are too. Who's having

2076
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: a bad time over there? I don't see anybody having

2077
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: a bad time.

2078
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 2: So there's more weed in that dryer than what Nate

2079
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 2: Newton got caught with when they pulled them over.

2080
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: Look. Remember that.

2081
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 2: Wow? Remember Nate newtony had like five thousand pounds of

2082
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 2: whed in his trunk when they pulled them over that time. Look,

2083
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 2: it was incredible. Let's keep it going here. Major League

2084
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 2: Baseball against Luke Francis in Gano throws out the first

2085
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 2: pitch at the Angles Angels game. But he does it sidearm.

2086
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:10,759
Speaker 1: You know what, it was a strike. Who cares?

2087
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't bounce it in or do some

2088
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 2: fifty cent bullshit.

2089
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: So that's good, right when you when you do it

2090
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: side arm, though, don't you have to like kind of

2091
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 1: step over and lean as you throw?

2092
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 3: You know?

2093
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it's like do you do you make

2094
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 2: It's like when Rick Berry and Wilt Chamberlain with cho

2095
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 2: free throws underhanded. It looks, it looks lame as shit, Luke.

2096
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 2: But if it works, right, Yeah.

2097
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: That's right, that's my that's my attitude. Does it work?

2098
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: Does it not work?

2099
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 2: All right, Luke? Check out these fans at Nationals Ballpark,

2100
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 2: just living life, drinking out of a out of a

2101
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 2: paralyzed guy's leg.

2102
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: Luke, a prosthetic you mean prosthetic leg?

2103
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, Luke.

2104
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's here in DC. Yeah, dude, there was a

2105
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 1: guy in my gym. What day is it today? Tuesday? Saturday?

2106
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: There was a guy at my gym with a prosthetic

2107
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: leg like this, and he was squatting four hundred pounds

2108
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: with good form I was, And.

2109
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,879
Speaker 2: Then he celebrated by drinking out of it his bum lego. Fantastic.

2110
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: God, good for him, dude, he fucking earned it.

2111
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 2: All right. Let's go to Chicago. Look, you get those

2112
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 2: white socks and Cubs fans together, it can get a

2113
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 2: little fiery. Let's zoom in here if we can't.

2114
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: I never understand Chicago rivalries. Obviously I get this one,

2115
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: but in general.

2116
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: Oh shit, oh shit, this guy wants to ste wants

2117
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 2: all the smoke.

2118
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 1: This guy, Oh yeah, there's a lot of shoving. BC.

2119
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Thank god for steady cam.

2120
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a boss move to just push somebody

2121
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: over as they're coming at you. I'm into that, dude.

2122
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 1: Tell me you have the one where the guy in

2123
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: the Dodgers game gets slept?

2124
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: Uh? Maybe not on this one.

2125
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: How do you miss that one? So much better than

2126
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 1: this one? Luke.

2127
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,600
Speaker 2: Let's go over to the bathroom. Are you down with

2128
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,919
Speaker 2: this sink? Would you use it? Luke willingly?

2129
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't drink out of the toilet. I can

2130
01:36:58,200 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: tell you that.

2131
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 2: Make sure you pull your fly up before washing your

2132
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 2: hands at this place, Luke. Okay, you know, and I'm saying,

2133
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 2: unless that's your thing.

2134
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: All right, HOGI farts once again, to the rescue.

2135
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 2: Always always, Luke. The dangers of drinking are upon us.

2136
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,679
Speaker 2: I don't know what. They call this a buck cracking tonic.

2137
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's some.

2138
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: Uh okay, okay? Were they white? BC? I can't all right?

2139
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 2: Right, all right, Luke, you'll drink your eye out.

2140
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:35,560
Speaker 1: People get mad, I mean they go back for just

2141
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: a second. I'm not saying that people of all races

2142
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 1: don't do drunk shit. They everyone everyone drinks, everyone bombs out.

2143
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: But dude, this shit about pouring booze down the ass

2144
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 1: crack of your friend and then catching at the bottom

2145
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: like a fucking ball sack luge and then drinking it.

2146
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: That is the exclusive province of whitey.

2147
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 2: Let's go over the bar, Luke. You'll drink your eye out.

2148
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,560
Speaker 2: You gotta be careful here. Check out this guy in

2149
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 2: the center. Oh oh, yikes, yikes, yikes. All right, yeah,

2150
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 2: that's well man, my.

2151
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 1: Man, take it easy on the uh the fish bowl drink,

2152
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 1: that's what we called them at I used to go

2153
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: to this place in New York when I was broke

2154
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: as fuck, called Brother Jimmy's. Oh yeah, and for twenty bucks,

2155
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 1: they'd bring you that that like that fish bowl full

2156
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: of like purple liquid that would get you fucked up.

2157
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 2: New York City dive bars that maintain like competitive pricing,

2158
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 2: Luke are like the Jewels.

2159
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: When I first moved to New York, I was broke

2160
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: as shit, there was one place called down the Hatch.

2161
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: It's in the village and uh, it used to be

2162
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's changed now. It used to be so

2163
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: this was two thousand and three. It used to be

2164
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 1: you go there twenty Bucks from noon until the big

2165
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,640
Speaker 1: game started in the evening, so like six all you

2166
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: can drink, all you can eat. I used to go

2167
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: there and get fucking housed. Dude. Oh yeah, Luke, I'm

2168
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: having some poster issues here, Luke, I have a lot

2169
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: more than poster issues.

2170
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Hey, let's keep this this crap going, Luke.

2171
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 2: What you mentioned earlier, but white people are are gonna

2172
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 2: white Luke. Check out this drive through in Florida.

2173
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Okay, but this is genius. That's different.

2174
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 2: Oh let me get that wave pool going, Luke.

2175
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: Listen, you're not is this honestly though, Is this any

2176
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 1: worse than normal above ground pools? Uh uh no No,

2177
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 1: I feel like above ground pools are nubs as shit.

2178
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 1: All right, all right, it's good that you're hosting this BC.

2179
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad.

2180
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 2: It's good. It's good that my office is falling apart here.

2181
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 2: Let's keep on going, Luke. Check out these dickheads. This

2182
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:56,799
Speaker 2: is when you mix gymnastics and drinking.

2183
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: Luke.

2184
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 2: You could, you could, you could catapult your spine.

2185
01:39:59,640 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: Out of that.

2186
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, Um, just got quiet in here.

2187
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess they're in a relationship now, Yeah, yeah, all.

2188
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,679
Speaker 2: Right, check out this drunk guy getting shafted. Here, Luke,

2189
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: both of these guys. Actually, you gotta you know, you

2190
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 2: gotta be careful messing around when you're sloppy drunk. Watch out,

2191
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 2: watch out watch Oh oh.

2192
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 1: No, bye, ok, yeah, I'm watching this like like Job

2193
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: of the Hut. When he pulls the thing out and

2194
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:33,799
Speaker 1: Luke goes into the dungeon. Yeah, kno.

2195
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 2: Quite literally, all right, Hey we got we got footage

2196
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: from the future. Here Luke went in the DeLorean. Here's

2197
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 2: Luke forty years from now.

2198
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: We went to watch this old guy drown. Oh the

2199
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: kid had floaties. I don't feel bad.

2200
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 2: That's definitely Luke to his great grandkids many many a

2201
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:57,719
Speaker 2: year from now, Hey, Luke. Anthony Rumble Johnson posted pictures

2202
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 2: of his dog's toy. How bad ashes that.

2203
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: I wish I had that. That's that's the amount of

2204
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: weed that that would do with smoking in the dryer.

2205
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, uh Luke. I wasn't gonna put

2206
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 2: this on here, but I got so many requests to

2207
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 2: get in on the milk crate fever, so uh, here

2208
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 2: we go. Let's watch some people get sent to hell.

2209
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: Luke. Oh Jesus, wow, I.

2210
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 2: Guess that pavement.

2211
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: This guy is, as we mentioned on Room Serve his diaries,

2212
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 1: this guy is young, so I don't care about him.

2213
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: He sucks. It's the old dudes. I always feel so

2214
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: bad for Luke.

2215
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 2: What about if we combine a baby reveal with a

2216
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 2: milk crate challenge? Will I get you fired up?

2217
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 1: Oh? No, oh no, congratulations, you're going to be a dad.

2218
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 1: Here's your wheelchair, your paralyzed bit.

2219
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 2: The good news is you're you're having a son. The

2220
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 2: bad news is you'll never walk again.

2221
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,879
Speaker 1: All right, you know what, Actually this is my favorite

2222
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 1: form of reveal. If you're gonna do gender reveal parties,

2223
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 1: which is the dumbest fucking thing on earth, you should

2224
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 1: have to be maimed for it. Yeah, I'm okay, all right.

2225
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 2: Let's keep this rolling here, Luke. This is similar to

2226
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 2: how sweaty you were just leaving your boy your hotel

2227
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 2: room in Cleveland, only you didn't have a giant dick

2228
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 2: staying on the back.

2229
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: I apologize, BC. I sat on this guy's back right

2230
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: before someone shot this.

2231
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 2: He gave you a piggyback ride, and that was that

2232
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 2: was the Hey, Luke, we're gonna close with America's favorite game.

2233
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 2: It's called rate my Tat. I want you to give

2234
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 2: me a score here on one to ten, ten being

2235
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 2: a badass, tat one being it sucks. Here's Brandon Moreno,

2236
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 2: the UFC Flyway Champion's sword on his left arm.

2237
01:42:46,200 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 1: I can't one more time, estecuago No, that's oh this

2238
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 1: game is not a marathon. Uh yeah, I don't know.

2239
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't know about the lettering. Start over from the beginning,

2240
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 1: don't know about the lettering. What I would say though,

2241
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: if the line works a little off, that that could

2242
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 1: be intentional. Yeah, placements decent, goes with the body and

2243
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 1: the flow. I'll give it a seven and a half.

2244
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 2: That's respect. I respect that. Let's keep it rolling here, Luke,

2245
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 2: check out this pink Floyd tat. I might actually have

2246
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 2: to get this, Luke.

2247
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 1: Oh, that is an excellent tattoo.

2248
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 2: That is as the album cover of Wish You Were Hair.

2249
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 2: Of course, that is awesome.

2250
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 1: That is I mean, look at the work with the

2251
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: suit crinkles. That's that's about a nine and a half.

2252
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: That is an excellent tattoo.

2253
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 2: And that is you on the left, me on the right.

2254
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 2: It really sums up this show.

2255
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 1: Luke in a lot of ways.

2256
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:55,600
Speaker 2: So maybe I will get that with an MK in

2257
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 2: the middle between their legs there, that'd be great. Okay,

2258
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 2: let's keep it rolling here, Luke, here's soccer player Matteo

2259
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: Politano's back. Give this one a score.

2260
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,520
Speaker 1: That's a nine and a half. That is an absolutely

2261
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 1: incredible piece of work. It's got depth, it's got shading,

2262
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 1: it's got line work, it's got I mean sparing but

2263
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 1: incredible use of coloring. That's extremely good.

2264
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to Detroit's finest, Thomas Hitman

2265
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 2: hearns inspired. Oh first, we have sugar Sean O'Malley getting

2266
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 2: Luke his own silhouette of him doing the fadeaway jumper

2267
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 2: on his neck.

2268
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 1: Let me see it again. That's about a five. That's

2269
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 1: not it's not great.

2270
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 2: Placement is not great.

2271
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: Listen, and I say this as someone who's got some

2272
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: fives on his body too. I've made some tattoo mistakes,

2273
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,679
Speaker 1: like he who was without sin cast the first Stone.

2274
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 1: But that's a five.

2275
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 2: You've had a lot of fives in the dorm rooms too,

2276
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 2: Luke Beckett.

2277
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 1: Probably it's not unfair.

2278
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 2: After the William and Mary Mathlete Challenge, here's Thomas the Hitman.

2279
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 2: Hearns on a white guys calf lukey into it.

2280
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: Well, if it's brand new, one thing you always have

2281
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 1: to remember when it's brand new like that, it's always

2282
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: going to be darker and like purply and so you

2283
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 1: can kind of see that it will lighten up. It's

2284
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: hard to see from this distance. I'll say it looks okay,

2285
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: not great. The postures not right, the hand placements a

2286
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 1: little bit off, the chins a little bit. It's a

2287
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 1: bit busted. Actually, all right, we.

2288
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 2: Got you are. This is inspired by the great boxing

2289
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 2: artist Richard T. Sloan. Here's a paccio Margarito tat on

2290
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:33,719
Speaker 2: some guy's chest.

2291
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 1: Luke, that thing's a mess. That's a mess. I realized

2292
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 1: what you were trying to do with it in in

2293
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: the fight poster. But you know he made the fight

2294
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 1: poster work. I think about okay, but pick in that fight,

2295
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 1: not you pick in that fight to be on your

2296
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 1: chest for the rest of your life.

2297
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 2: I mean, there's better fights you could have picked.

2298
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: You know, I know it was fine. Pacio just tuned

2299
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: him up for the whole fight really, and you know,

2300
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,799
Speaker 1: Margarito just kind of stood there. It wasn't that awesome?

2301
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I could get Gotty Ward on my chest.

2302
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 2: I could understand that Corrals Castillo, God, Triple G Canelo

2303
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 2: I'd have on my chest over this shit. All right,

2304
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,560
Speaker 2: all right, let's close with this Star Wars tat on

2305
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 2: the arm. Luke. You got to factor into your score

2306
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 2: how it looks with the sleeve.

2307
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: M not great, not a great tattoo. That's a three

2308
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 1: if not a two.

2309
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you put the sleeve on, suddenly it

2310
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 2: looks like that dong on the chest of brock Lesnar Luke.

2311
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, oh uh, you've got a dick and

2312
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: balls that's an X wing And then you pull up

2313
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 1: the arm and you've just got childlike black and gray work.

2314
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: That is that is bad. And also the farmer's tan

2315
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 1: is nice where the head of the dick is all

2316
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 1: tann but the balls are all white and trilling. Way

2317
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 1: to go, guy, that's it, Luke.

2318
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 2: That's the ship for the week. Hope you hope you

2319
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 2: saw it?

2320
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. BC time for odds and ends.

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Speaker 1: What do you have for odds and ends? Uh?

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01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 2: To zone over the weekend? In boxing, Unfortunately, that main event,

2323
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 2: the rematch with Mauricio Alatta and Josh Warrington was turned

2324
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 2: into a no contest due to a cut, a bad

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01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 2: cut across Laura's entire eye in the I believe the

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Speaker 2: second round. But Luke, the comin event was all about

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Speaker 2: Katie Taylor, and she handled Jennifer Hahn like we expected,

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01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 2: defending all four lightweight titles with a knockdown and identical

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01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:23,559
Speaker 2: scores of like one hundred to eighty nine. Dominant performance.

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Speaker 2: But here's the good news for all you fans who

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01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 2: realize that Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano for the undisputed

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01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 2: lightweight championship, it really could be, in terms of their talent,

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01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 2: arguably the greatest women's boxing match of all time, and

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01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 2: it really has that potential. Let's hear from promoter Eddie Hearn,

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01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:42,519
Speaker 2: Katie Taylor's promoter.

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Speaker 3: After the fight, you can headline that I think she

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01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 3: fights again in December, and then I think she has

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01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 3: to fight Amanda Serona. I mean, it's not her fault

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01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 3: that that fight hasn't been made as a mixture of

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01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 3: many things, but that's the past.

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01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 1: The future.

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01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 3: I think we have to you know, I think Amanda

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01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 3: Serrano fancies that fight. I believe she's done a fantastic

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01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 3: job to raise her profile. She brings tremendous value in

2345
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 3: that fight as well, she can be rewarded for that value.

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01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 3: I think we can headline that that fight at Madison

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01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 3: Square Garden by far and away the biggest fight in

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01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 3: women's boxing.

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01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:16,720
Speaker 1: We have to do that far.

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01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 3: We have to make that fight because I feel that

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01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 3: if we don't, it'll be a piece missing of a

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01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 3: wonderful career.

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Speaker 2: Look, this was great to hear. Obviously, this fight almost

2354
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 2: got made a couple times in the past two years.

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01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 2: COVID took away from it. They you know, Serrano's team

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01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:36,200
Speaker 2: pulled out multiple times thinking they were getting shorted on money.

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01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 2: But to Eddie and Katie's credit, they both said that

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01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 2: what Serrano has done since then, in the past year plus, right,

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01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 2: she had that close up, that big fight on NBC

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01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 2: Sports on Ring City USA, which is a platform I've

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01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 2: done some work on, and then came back on the

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01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 2: colemane of the Jake Paul pay per view against Tyron Woodley.

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01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 2: They believe that Serrano has raised her profile to a

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01:48:57,240 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 2: new level. Luke, when Eddie Hearn said words Madison Square Garden,

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01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:04,760
Speaker 2: I think that has the potential to give this fight

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01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 2: the credence and just royalty that it deserves. I'm not

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01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 2: kidding when I'm saying, when you're matching up their talents

2368
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 2: still in their prime, although both are in their mid thirties,

2369
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,639
Speaker 2: this could be, you know, maybe the best women's fight

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01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 2: on paper in history. Katie Taylor also said, look, from

2371
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,799
Speaker 2: here on out, I'm thirty five. I only want super fights,

2372
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 2: pay per view fights, big time fights. From here on out.

2373
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:29,600
Speaker 2: I respect that. Look, I'm just finding out now. I

2374
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:32,599
Speaker 2: didn't know this. Katie Taylor lives and trains full time

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01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 2: in verning, Connecticut, w IS about a half hour from

2376
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 2: where I live. Right now, we could have been hanging out,

2377
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 2: but big win for Taylor. Make this fight, thank you please,

2378
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 2: let's pace, Let's play Amanda Serrano what she deserves, and

2379
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 2: let's make this fight.

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Speaker 1: This is massive, yeah, and a massies square garden. The

2381
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican and Irish fans would be just an.

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01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 2: In real quick, Luke, We've done the argument in the

2383
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 2: last couple years, rightfully, So women's boxing at ten rounds

2384
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 2: instead of twelve for title fights and two minutes set

2385
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 2: of three per round. Enough of this bullshit. If there

2386
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,360
Speaker 2: was ever a fight to change the rules across the

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01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 2: board for all states and all sanctioning bodies and make

2388
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 2: it universal that it's time to treat women on the

2389
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,839
Speaker 2: level of the men and realize that you're only robbing

2390
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 2: from the entertainment value by doing two minute rounds. This

2391
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:19,719
Speaker 2: would be the first fight to debut that across the board.

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01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm just giving ideas to people.

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01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 1: Luke, I think you're right. For my odds and ends,

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01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Glory seventy eight results. We talked

2395
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 1: about it on Friday a little bit. At least we

2396
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 1: previewed the fights to a small degree. So Alex Pereira

2397
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:38,120
Speaker 1: lost to Vakitov, which was not altogether unsurprising. He's basically

2398
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: had one foot out the door to MMA the entire time. Afterwards,

2399
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: he even said as much like, Hey, this is maybe

2400
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 1: not my last fight, but my next fight's definitely going

2401
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 1: to be in an MMA cage. It was a majority

2402
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 1: of decision, I believe, so Vakitov. You know. There there

2403
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 1: was a spirit of contest. It was back and forth,

2404
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 1: but in the end he was the rightful winner. The

2405
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: more interesting result, though, came in the main event. I

2406
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 1: cannotronounce a guy's first name, but I think his name

2407
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 1: is joshik Rjosh something like that. With Batter Harry, Batter

2408
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: Hardy goes in there looking smooth, beating this guy up,

2409
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 1: drops him twice in the first round, then drops him

2410
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: a third time here all from liver shots for the

2411
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 1: most part in the In the second round, so he

2412
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 1: goes down three times and then as batter Harry walks

2413
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 1: forward with his jab, he eats a head kick and

2414
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:24,599
Speaker 1: the whole shit comes undone. He loses, so they probably

2415
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 1: will run that back. Kickboxing is a bit of a

2416
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 1: rematch sport anyway, so I think it'll be okay. But

2417
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,599
Speaker 1: the crowd felt big, the event felt big. Glory did

2418
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 1: a great job with it. But what a fucking result

2419
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: for better Harry Man. That was in the bag and

2420
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:38,919
Speaker 1: quite surprising.

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01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 2: In the NBC, let me say this our guy Todd Grisham,

2422
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 2: who's known for being able to rise to the big moments.

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01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 2: It sort of hit, you know, like a Moro Nalo,

2424
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 2: although you know more renw is On obviously historically his

2425
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:51,560
Speaker 2: own levels, but Todd nailed that call. He rose on

2426
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 2: also occasion well.

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01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 1: ABC. On top of that, his partner Joseph Altealini. He

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01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 1: saw the headkick first, so you could hear him react

2429
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 1: to it immediately. And then when Grisham sees, what the

2430
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 1: fuck because it takes a second because the head kick landed.

2431
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like better Harry like this or something.

2432
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 1: He just kind of fell over and then there was

2433
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 1: blood on the ring. But what a fucking win, man.

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01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 2: God, what's wild they're calling this? You know, maybe one

2435
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 2: of the you know, among the most dramatic comeback wins

2436
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:23,680
Speaker 2: in the history of combat sports. And look, I'm not

2437
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 2: familiar with the rules enough. People were saying that if

2438
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 2: there was a fourth knockdown, it would have ended the fight.

2439
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 2: So Harry looked about it. Harry looked like he was

2440
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,760
Speaker 2: on the way to landing that final knockdown. Is that

2441
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 2: the rule?

2442
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 1: What's the rule here on I'm honestly not sure that

2443
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: has been the rule previously. I don't know if it's

2444
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 1: still the rule. Again, I'm not We are hairy, casual

2445
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 1: kickboxing fan, so I apologize to the audience for that.

2446
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 1: But at a bare minimum, BC, you could see it.

2447
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,560
Speaker 1: He was getting eaten alive with liver shots and collapsing

2448
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: in anguish and then just happened to pull off a

2449
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 1: really well timed headkick counter to a jab and that's all.

2450
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 2: She was crazy?

2451
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 3: Is you know?

2452
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 2: That wasn't It was a lucky shot. For sure, it

2453
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 2: was a hail Mary, but it wasn't the kind that

2454
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 2: like turned somebody's chin and you're like, no doubt, it

2455
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 2: was kind of like it almost you had to rewatch

2456
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 2: it a couple of times, you like, did that hit

2457
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 2: the right spot? But it hit him in the temple,

2458
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 2: it cut him, and it did enough to prevent him

2459
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 2: from being able to stand up Luke. Unfortunately for Bartar Harri,

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01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 2: who's you know, thirty six, this is a he hasn't

2461
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 2: won in five fights, and now four of those won

2462
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 2: no contest and four knockout losses. So this is the end.

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01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,720
Speaker 2: It seems Luke of a of a great career, and

2464
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,599
Speaker 2: a rematch would be interesting since he was dominant there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm saying the end meaning I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much longer you can linger when you're taking losses

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Speaker 2: like that. But that was pretty telling Luke that he

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have the resistance anymore that he that

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Speaker 2: he certainly once did in.

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Speaker 1: His prime still. I think he's such a huge name

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Speaker 1: in Dutch kickboxing. He'll still be around, but you're right

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