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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now, and we got a lot to

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Speaker 2: get to with all of you. Just a little preview.

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Speaker 2: Our friend Carol Markowitz at The Carol Markowitz Show will

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Speaker 2: be here an hour two. She just got back from

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Speaker 2: a trip to Israel. She'll talk to us about that.

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Speaker 2: Author and a gen Z streamer, Isabelle Brown, going to

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Speaker 2: be with us in the third hour to talk about, well,

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Speaker 2: gen Z, is it the end of America? Or can

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Speaker 2: gen Z actually help save America? I am learning, you know,

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Speaker 2: gen Z has all this lingo, and this is when

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Speaker 2: you definitely feel your generation. When you're learning the lingo

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Speaker 2: like you're learning a foreign language. There are phrases that

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Speaker 2: they use, and I'm like, I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: is gen Z? Do you know the years?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's two thousand. Is that right?

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Speaker 2: It's born after two thousand. I think I need to I.

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Speaker 1: Think my kids are gen Z. I think I've got

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Speaker 1: a couple of gen Z kids. I'm not sure that

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Speaker 1: all of the years kind of run together. Isabelle Brown

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Speaker 1: does really good stuff. I've seen her stuff a lot

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, And you know, I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: do anything on Instagram other than share the videos that

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Speaker 1: other people post for me. That's when I feel like

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Speaker 1: an old man, like I buck. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how to do a filter on a phone, like I

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Speaker 1: change a picture, like I don't know how to do

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Speaker 1: any of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So before we get out our walkers and start talking

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Speaker 2: about the good old days, here, we got more news

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Speaker 2: for you. The Trump is raging as he will be

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Speaker 2: forced to sell off great assets. That's a quote at

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Speaker 2: fire sale prices to pay the four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: million dollars New York fraud fine. We've got some of

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Speaker 2: his truth social rants to get into. The Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: has indefinitely blocked Texas from enforcing any immigration law. So

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Speaker 2: to be clear, the government has decided the federal governments

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Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court is the only only arbiter of

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Speaker 2: anything having to do with a border. A state is

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Speaker 2: not allowed to enforce the border. I wonder if Texas

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Speaker 2: may just try to call the bluff here and keep

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Speaker 2: going with it. But nonetheless, we've got Letitia James making

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Speaker 2: some very ominous threats about what's going to happen in

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Speaker 2: Trump world. We have Peter Navarro former. You ever interviewer

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Speaker 2: or meet him, Clay, I've interviewed, we have him on

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Speaker 2: the show, ever, I can't remember. Yeah, we did once. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I back in the Trump era when he was president.

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Speaker 2: I remember interviewing Peter a few times on trade stuff.

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Speaker 2: Peter Navarro, everybody is an ex White House aide who

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Speaker 2: is turning himself into federal prison today. Federal prison for

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Speaker 2: Peter Navarro for refusing to comply with the House Select

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Speaker 2: Committee show trial over January sixth. Very very rare for

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Speaker 2: someone to be sent to prison for contempt of Congress.

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Speaker 2: But that is what is going on here. So they're

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Speaker 2: breaking rules, They're breaking norms all over the place. Also,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has sued George Stephanopolopolas and ABC News for

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Speaker 2: alleged defamation. We could assess that, but you know, Trump's

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Speaker 2: got other legal things we're gonna get into here, Clay,

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Speaker 2: Let's start with this. I want to give everyone a

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Speaker 2: few of Trump's truths, a couple of Trump's truth social

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Speaker 2: posts here because he's up against the deadline right now.

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Speaker 2: On Monday. Letitia James, the New York State Attorney General

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Speaker 2: can start seizing assets for the judgment for an unpaid

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Speaker 2: court judgment in the state of New York. Here's what

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Speaker 2: Trump is saying about it. And then, Clay, you tell

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Speaker 2: me where you think this is going. The corrupt political

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Speaker 2: hacks in New York judge and ag are asking me

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Speaker 2: to put up massive amounts of money before I'm allowed

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Speaker 2: to appeal the ridiculous decision never done before, no jury,

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Speaker 2: no vict him, full disclaimer, clause, happy banks, election interference,

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Speaker 2: all caps, witch hunt, all caps, Clay, all of that

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Speaker 2: is true. But I don't know how Trump manages to

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Speaker 2: get around this. I'm trying to look at what are

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Speaker 1: So we talked about this a few weeks ago and

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Speaker 1: kind of laid it out that even billionaires do not

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Speaker 1: very efficient to be sitting on piles of cash.

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Speaker 2: You want your money to be working for you.

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Speaker 1: And so I said that I thought Trump was probably

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Speaker 1: going to have a great deal of difficulty coming up

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Speaker 1: in somewhat liquid assets, and that is what they use

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Speaker 1: to put a bond down on the Egene Carrol case.

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Speaker 1: Now he's got to put forward four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: some odd million dollars as a bond payment to appeal

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Speaker 1: the verdict against his businesses, and he doesn't have that cash.

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Speaker 1: And we have talked on this program. I have a

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Speaker 1: small pinprick of the real estate assets that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: would have, but buck I have seen. For instance, I

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Speaker 1: own a part of nearly twenty acres of commercial real

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Speaker 1: estate in the vicinity of Franklin, Tennessee, and I'm a

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Speaker 1: part of a group there and we went to go

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Speaker 1: refi and the bank just refused to refi, so we

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Speaker 1: had to buy it out completely. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I talked about this on the show, but that

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Speaker 1: is emblematic of what's going on right now with many

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Speaker 1: different commercial real estate assets all over the country. Banks

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Speaker 1: and so they're not willing to REFI right.

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Speaker 2: Now, Well, Clay, but it's it's much worse than that,

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Speaker 2: right because it's not that the banks were afraid to

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Speaker 2: do something for you because you are hitler and about

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Speaker 2: to end the republic. And this is the part of

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Speaker 2: it that I've said, I've said for a long time

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Speaker 2: on radio that you don't have to burn down all

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Speaker 2: the villages. You only have to burn down one, and

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Speaker 2: the rest of the villagers often get the idea. And

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Speaker 2: with Trump, they are sending a message not just politically

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Speaker 2: to anybody who would support Trump, but also financially. All

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Speaker 2: these buildings that people are looking at and saying, well,

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Speaker 2: it's worth five hundred million, you know, Forty Wall Street

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Speaker 2: it's worth, however, hundreds of millions, and Trump Tower and

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Speaker 2: these different properties that he owns. What percentage of the

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Speaker 2: property does he own. We don't know how many partners

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Speaker 2: some of these buildings, it's not clear which ones he

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Speaker 2: would be able to override the others. And if he

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Speaker 2: could get everyone to agree to liquid let's just say

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Speaker 2: he did own eighty percent of it or fifty one

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Speaker 2: to be the buyer? There's actually no incentive to be

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Speaker 2: the buyer right now because the price is only going down.

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Speaker 2: Trump is being forced into the situation where he's a

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Speaker 2: billionaire running onto the used car lot saying I'm not

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Speaker 2: leaving here with a I'll go to prison unless I

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Speaker 2: buy one of your cars. That only forces the price down, right,

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Speaker 2: So they create a spiral of all this additional pressure.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to do business with him. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: be involved in bailing him out. I'm talking about that

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Speaker 2: from the business perspective, And they basically serve their own

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Speaker 2: interest by waiting and seeing how low some of these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's not only that they've come after him,

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Speaker 1: it's that they've happened to end up coming after him

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Speaker 1: at probably the worst time to be trying to sell

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Speaker 1: commercial real estate since two thousand and eight. So even

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Speaker 1: if he wanted to liquidate assets, that's why Look mar

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Speaker 1: A Lago. I don't know what percentage of mar A

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Speaker 1: Lago he owns. They valued it at eighteen million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I rush the Russia's wife just sold his property in

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach for what almost one hundred and fifty million dollars,

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Speaker 1: not far from mar A Lago. I would think you

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Speaker 1: and I have been to mar A Lago several times.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's eighteen acres. It's both fronting the canal

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Speaker 1: think that mar A Lago is probably worth four hundred

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a crazy number. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: percentage of it Trump owns. But this is why I

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Speaker 1: said on yesterday's program, I would like to think that

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Speaker 1: this is financial shenanigans. Let me see your assets. I'll

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Speaker 1: give you a loan. I don't want you worried about this.

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Speaker 1: They're coming after you entirely because of politics. Now is

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Speaker 1: somebody willing to do it?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, Clay, the other part of it

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Speaker 2: is he could lose on appeal and then this which.

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Speaker 1: Is why you have the assets, which is why the

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Speaker 1: assets have to be supporting the valuation here, right, Or.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, who thinks that Trump is going

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Speaker 2: to pay them back at that point?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why you have to have the asset bonded, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you have to say at that point, okay, then

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Speaker 1: I have the collateral. I'll put a valuation on mar

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, if a billionaire comes along

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Speaker 2: and says I'll write check, I'll write Trump a check

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Speaker 2: for the four hundred and fifty four million dollars, that's

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Speaker 2: actually more, by the way, you have to put up

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Speaker 2: twice the twice the value in a bond. But let's

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Speaker 2: just say that they gave Trump the liquid assets. That's

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Speaker 2: if you went for a surety bond. And again I'm

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Speaker 2: not pretending like i've you know, this is like a

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Speaker 2: specific area of the law and this is what I've

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Speaker 2: learned from reading about it, but also talking to people

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Speaker 2: on the on the real estate side of the house. Clay,

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Speaker 2: if if he loses that money, that money is gone, right, correct.

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Speaker 2: So now so now you're the billionaire. You gave Trump

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Speaker 2: five hundred million dollars or close to it, So you're

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Speaker 2: just not getting five hundred million dollars. No, No, I'm

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Speaker 2: saying you would have to collateralize that in some way

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Speaker 2: as a loan. Now what the valuation is of mar

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Speaker 2: Lago or something else. Like, I'm not just giving somebody

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Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty million dollars without a collateralized uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, asset attached to it. Yeah, I mean, good luck,

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Speaker 2: good luck trying to enforce that one. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I think that's that. The problem here is

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Speaker 2: what's the incentive structure for somebody else to step in

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Speaker 2: and do it. I mean it would have to be

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Speaker 2: somebody who say, who has so much money who says,

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Speaker 2: I this is good at the country, Yeah, the good

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Speaker 2: of the country. And what I'm saying is it's not

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Speaker 2: a good investment, right, I mean you're yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 2: we agree there.

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Speaker 1: You would not do it because you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: this is a must have, Like you're doing it because

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Speaker 1: you think Crump's getting screwed and you want to provide

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Speaker 1: support to him.

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Speaker 2: Usually a bomb.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Even if a bank did this or a surety bonder's

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Speaker 2: they take a percentage. It's like a fee structure involved.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a business transaction of some sort.

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Speaker 2: And that's what you're talking about, the collateralized sense for

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Speaker 2: a white Night to come along and write the check.

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Speaker 2: You know, you may not see that money ever again,

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Speaker 2: The incentives are all amiss. Because for Laticia James, the

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Speaker 1: He's running for governor, baby, like this is all a

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Speaker 2: She wins in the state, and everyone keeps coming out.

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Speaker 1: But this is why I said, if you have the

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Speaker 1: This is because he's a Republican who happens to live

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Speaker 2: This is why, you know, Judge Cannon, I believe down

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Speaker 2: That's the Florida process. That's what happens when you're outside

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Speaker 5: One of the big stories is about what is really

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Speaker 2: I think that's all true. And I also would add

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Speaker 1: Number two Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: We should mention did you go vote yet?

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Speaker 6: Buck?

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Speaker 1: Have you voted? Am I putting you on the spot.

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Speaker 1: The Florida Primary is today.

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Speaker 2: This afternoon, sir. I'm just show priorities, priorities.

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that since we're telling

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Speaker 2: Am I right about that?

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Speaker 1: I think I'm right about that, And I would say

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Speaker 7: Listen, when Republicans take over West Virginia still put the

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Speaker 3: Right now, Democrats have fifty one seats in the Senate.

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Speaker 3: If they lose West Virginia, they're immediately down to fifty.

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Speaker 3: And that if Donald Trump actually got elected and Democrats

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Speaker 3: it still leaves the matter, as you say, of Montana

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Speaker 2: Up and Ohio.

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Speaker 2: And even if Sharon Brown were to win Ohio, they're

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Speaker 1: So this is a big deal because if you're out

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Speaker 2: Trump v. Biden.

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Speaker 1: And there are a lot of states where Republicans could

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of Democrat seats that are being defended.

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Speaker 1: to and try to make an argument. Ted Cruz down

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Speaker 1: in Texas should win.

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Speaker 2: He'll win. We have faitheded, we have faith Abe. He

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Speaker 2: may be Attorney general. Cruise at some point people are

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Speaker 2: talking to the people. Some people are saying it's possible

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Speaker 2: Ted the best attorney general. It would be interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: And then down in Florida, Rick Scott is on the ballot,

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Speaker 1: he should win as well. But those are the only

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Speaker 1: two states that they could point to in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four with Republican senators where you could say, oh, we're

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Speaker 1: going to put those in play. Everywhere else pretty much

446
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Speaker 1: Democrats are on the defense right now.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's significant.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We mentioned as we went to break Buck the Vek

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Speaker 1: being ruled out as VP yesterday, we meant to play

451
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Speaker 1: this and we didn't. Mike Pence over the weekend, Trump's

452
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Speaker 1: former vice president said that he would not be endorsing

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Some of you were going to remember that we had

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Speaker 2: a test the interview.

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Speaker 1: On this program with Mike Pence, uh, and that Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence has since refused to come on the program.

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Speaker 2: Right, didn't we offer him the opportunity to come on again.

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Speaker 2: Remember in office space, when they are hitting the copy

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Speaker 2: machine with baseball bats and one of them has to

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Speaker 2: hold them back. Whatever felt a little bit like that

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Speaker 2: for me. You know, I was trying to let's try.

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Speaker 1: I tried to be nice because I'm still I think

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Speaker 1: all of you remember when I asked Pence if he

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Speaker 1: would consider pardoning Trump, and when he wouldn't answer that question. Basically,

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Speaker 1: it gave you a sense that he was not going

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Speaker 1: to endorse Trump either, that this is super personal, and

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Speaker 1: that frankly and just own it.

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Speaker 2: If he had said it at the time, I would

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Speaker 2: have respected it more. Well, that's that's the thing. You

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Speaker 2: can't say, Oh, I have to sort of see where

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Speaker 2: the facts lead or something. You were this guy's vice

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Speaker 2: president of the United States for four years, if you

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Speaker 2: have so much beef with him that you couldn't that

475
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Speaker 2: you would let him go to prison given all of this,

476
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Speaker 2: you'd let him be prosecuted by this obvious witch hunt.

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Speaker 2: Say that and and defend that position. Don't say, well,

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Speaker 2: I'd have to sort of see where things go. That

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Speaker 2: was the part of it where you know clearly. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to overstate it, but that was the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the end of the of the Pagan primary.

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Speaker 2: I think it ended it for Pennce that answer.

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Speaker 1: I think people would have respected him more if he

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Speaker 1: had said, you know, just flat out no. But now

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Speaker 1: that he's saying, oh, I won't even endorse Trump. This

486
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Speaker 1: was on NBC. I think listen to this guy. I

487
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Speaker 1: think this was Meet the Press, one of those shows.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 6: It should come as no surprise that I will not

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Speaker 6: be endorsing Donald Trump this year. As I have watched

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Speaker 6: his candidacy unfold, I've seen him walking away from our

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Speaker 6: commitment to confronting the national debt. I've seen him starting

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Speaker 6: to shy away from a commitment to the sanctity of

494
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Speaker 6: human life. And this last week is reversal. I'm getting

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Speaker 6: tough on China and supporting our administration's effort to force

496
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Speaker 6: a sale bite Dad's TikTok. In each of these cases,

497
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump is pursuing and articulating an agenda that is

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Speaker 6: at odds with the conservative agenda that we governed on

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Speaker 6: during our four years. And that's why I cannot in

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Speaker 6: good conscience endorse Donald Trump in this campaign.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he didn't govern. He didn't govern anything

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Speaker 2: right start with that we governed on. That was the

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Speaker 2: other part of it that would have struck me as

504
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Speaker 2: very disingenuous, kind of smarmy. His whole Well, the Pence bided,

505
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Speaker 2: I mean Pence Trump policy or Trump trump Pen's policy.

506
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Speaker 2: There we go. You can't talk about the Trump Pence

507
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Speaker 2: policy and then say, but I'd let him rot in prison.

508
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Speaker 2: I also, I'm sorry, you're not gonna endorse him. So

509
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Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? You're gonna have the communists

510
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Speaker 2: win because that's not the country. I just and this.

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Speaker 2: Some people get mad at me for saying this.

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Speaker 1: You gotta put your big boy pants on and recognize

513
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Speaker 1: what we're facing here. Joe Biden and many of his allies,

514
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Speaker 1: I believe, have created the most destructive presidency in any

515
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Speaker 1: of our lives now. Some of you are super old.

516
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Speaker 1: God bless you. You may have lived that respectfully. Yes,

517
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Speaker 1: you may have lived through a worst presidency. I was

518
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Speaker 1: born in nineteen seventy nine. The only first president I

519
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Speaker 1: remember is Ron O'reagan. I have not ever lived in

520
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Speaker 1: a worst president see than in my opinion, Joe Biden

521
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Speaker 1: right now, and he's incapable physically and mentally of doing

522
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Speaker 1: the job. If you are saying that you will not

523
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Speaker 1: vote for Trump, with all due respect, which means I

524
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Speaker 1: don't actually respect it, but I do think it's always

525
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Speaker 1: fun to say with all due respect right before you

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Speaker 1: toss out an insult. With all due respect, I think

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Speaker 1: you are behaving like a child. And I think Mike

528
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: Pence has behaved like a child for multiple years now.

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Speaker 1: I think his political career is over, and this little

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Speaker 1: throwing a fit. I'm not going to endorse him. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the follow up was, but I don't

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Speaker 1: understand the point of endorsements.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Nicky Haley said the same thing.

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Speaker 1: He should have to compete for my voters, and and

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Speaker 1: I just endorsements are pretty overrated.

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Speaker 2: From again, look at that, but just.

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Speaker 1: Tell everybody who you're going to vote for more so

538
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Speaker 1: than endorsement, Like, is anybody changing their opinion because Mike

539
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Speaker 1: Pence is making a choice.

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Speaker 2: I guess Mike Pence is the I'm gonna take my

541
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Speaker 2: ball home so nobody can play in the playground. I

542
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Speaker 2: think he would probably say he won't vote for a

543
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Speaker 2: Democrat because he'd realize then he's gone full Scarborough, and

544
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: you never want to go full Scarborough, where you are

545
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Speaker 2: a Republican who just flips teams and then pretends like

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Speaker 2: that's not what you've done. But he'll probably say that

547
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Speaker 2: he'll stay home, and it's it's a shame. But on

548
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Speaker 2: the happier note, rather more of a constructive look forward.

549
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Speaker 2: You've seen that some of the names being floated and

550
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Speaker 2: reporting for attorney General for a Trump presidency would be

551
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Speaker 2: Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. Mike Lee, who, by the way,

552
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Speaker 2: kind of agrees more with yours truly than a lot

553
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Speaker 2: of the consensus on TikTok. He's he's concerned something I've

554
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Speaker 2: been saying all along with the government can now just

555
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Speaker 2: decide we don't like the part, you know, the partial

556
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Speaker 2: ownership of the company, that's you know what laws has

557
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Speaker 2: TikTok broken? It has broken no laws.

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Speaker 1: Let me go on the record by the way, too,

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Speaker 1: sorry to cut you off, but I would love both

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Speaker 1: of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be credible ags and uh the other one.

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Speaker 2: Uh the other thing that I saw, well, we saw

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Speaker 2: some of the of the of the possible VP picks,

564
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Speaker 2: but also I saw Kevin McCarthy as chief of staff.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that that's floating around right now? Yeah, Tea,

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Speaker 2: the music just stopped for Clay there. He was like

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Speaker 2: Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 1: Then it was like, WHOA, well, I don't dislike Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: and I think again. We talked about this on the program.

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Speaker 1: We were honest about it.

571
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Speaker 2: When when when the when the crowds were angry about

572
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Speaker 2: the Congress, we said, guys, uh, this is really Matt

573
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Speaker 2: Gates doesn't like Kevin McCarthy. It's that simple, and he

574
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Speaker 2: wants him out.

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Speaker 1: Feel any different at all for the speaker to be

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson as.

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Speaker 2: Opposed to by the way, that was it was the

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Speaker 2: truth then it's the truth. Now. Other people were like,

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Speaker 2: the whole Congress is gonna change, They're gonna fight to

580
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Speaker 2: the last man. As soon as think you're rid of

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Speaker 2: this leadership, like no, that's not gonna happen, And it

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Speaker 2: didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't changed at all. I was gonna hit you

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Speaker 1: with the latest VP odds. So I love going on polymarket.

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Speaker 1: This is There's been eleven million dollars bet buck on

586
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Speaker 1: who is going to be the next the Trump VP pick?

587
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Speaker 1: And as I'm talking to you right now, nineteen Tim

588
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Speaker 1: Scott is the leader. Almost a million dollars has been

589
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Speaker 1: bet on Tim Scott's going to be the VP. Christy

590
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Speaker 1: Noam is at ten percent leading second place. Nicky Hayley

591
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: is now up to third most likely to be the VP.

592
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Speaker 1: Remember how everybody got so angry at me when I

593
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Speaker 1: floated it out.

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Speaker 2: If that happens, we're going to do a whole hour

595
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Speaker 2: of just people call again and saying Clay, I'm not worthy.

596
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Speaker 2: That's nine forty.

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Speaker 1: Thousand bet on Nicky Haley to BVP a least Stephonic

598
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Speaker 1: is at seven percent. Your guy jd Vance, who you

599
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: think is the most likely pick? At six percent? Ben Carson.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed Ben Carson yesterday six percent. He was in

601
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Speaker 1: town in Nashville. We had him at out.

602
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: Such a good man, I'd like, he's a great dude.

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Speaker 1: The Veke now plummeting, Sarah Huckabee, Sanders, Katie britt, Ron DeSantis,

604
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Speaker 1: Byron Donald's, Marco Rubio all at two percent as the

605
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Speaker 1: betting market picks. So I'm sticking with I think I

606
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Speaker 1: said a few weeks ago that Tim Scott was who

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Speaker 1: I thought the pick would be. Are you sticking with

608
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Speaker 1: now that the Veke has been eliminated? That is the report?

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Speaker 1: Are you sticking with jd Vance as your favored most likely?

610
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Speaker 1: Not that you're saying you think would be the best,

611
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Speaker 1: but just most likely pick.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick to my guns kind of guy, mister

613
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Speaker 2: Clay Travis. You know it. Jd Vance for the win,

614
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Speaker 2: going all the way in my VP bracket, in the

615
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Speaker 2: VP bracket sweepstakes. Jd Vance is going to be the

616
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Speaker 2: last man standing. You know, we have a bracket. I

617
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: need to talk to you about this. I don't know

618
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Speaker 2: if you've seen it.

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Speaker 1: We have a woke bracket challenge at OutKick for sports

620
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Speaker 1: media people.

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Speaker 2: Well that one I might actually win, Like, I need

622
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Speaker 2: to get in on that. Actually you can, you can

623
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Speaker 2: hop in and go vote. But oh, it is for

624
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: sports people though, or just woke in general.

625
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Speaker 1: But you know, a lot of the people because they

626
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Speaker 1: overlap with sports and everything else, Like Keith Olberman won

627
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Speaker 1: it last year, you know, and once they win, they're

628
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: they're retired. They're basically they're they're they're no longer eligible

629
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Speaker 1: to win them. Woke Brooke Jersey up in the rafters. Yes,

630
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: they're hung in the rafters. But Oberman called for Trump's

631
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: assassination yesterday, I think on Twitter, So Oberman, I mean,

632
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Speaker 1: you have to retire him because he's gone so maniacal

633
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: and crazy that there is no ending to his insanity anymore.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine, by the way, if someone prominent on

635
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Speaker 1: the right said it would be a good thing if

636
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Speaker 1: Biden got assassinated, how big of a story it would be?

637
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: And Oberman says it about Trump and it barely even

638
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Speaker 1: like not only on the radar.

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Speaker 2: Not only would it be a big story, Uh, they

640
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Speaker 2: would call for the octave prosecution of that individual. If

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Speaker 2: a right wing figure said what you just said, you know,

642
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Speaker 2: meaning you know, made that cur on same thing as

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Speaker 2: what Oberman said. Yeah, if a right wing figure said

644
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Speaker 2: the same thing that Olberman said about a Democrat president,

645
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: they would be saying because remember, they don't care and

646
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: this is such an important recognition. The right has had

647
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Speaker 2: some very important recognitions over the last decade or so,

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Speaker 2: and particularly it has accelerated under Donald Trump. There's no

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Speaker 2: such thing as a neutral space. That's one, there's no

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Speaker 2: neutral space in American public life. And another one is

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Speaker 2: they don't feel badly about two sets of rules. They

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Speaker 2: have two sets of rules because they can, and they

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in. We're about to be joined

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Speaker 2: by Isabelle Brown. But just a quick breaking news update.

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Speaker 2: This is from CNN. Fake news, but no, this is

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Speaker 2: probably true. The Supreme Court on Tuesday clear the way

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Speaker 2: for Texas to immediately begin enforcing a controversial immigration law

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Speaker 2: appeal a federal appeals court, but the decision hands a

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Speaker 2: significant yet temporary win to Texas, which has been in

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Speaker 2: an ongoing battle with the Biden administration over immigration policy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Isabelle Brown joins us now. She's a gen Z streamer

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Speaker 2: and author of the book The End of the Alphabet,

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Speaker 2: How gen Z Can Save America, comes out today. Isabelle, welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Can you do

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Speaker 2: you want to react just to what's going on in

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Speaker 2: general with the border in Texas before we dive into

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Speaker 2: gen Z in the book and we had this breaking news.

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Speaker 2: It just for a lot of people seems like, shouldn't

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Speaker 2: states be able to help with the enforcement of federal

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Speaker 2: immigration law. State law enforcement helps federal law enforcement on

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Speaker 2: a whole range of issues.

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Speaker 4: Ah, yes, but you're thinking logically, which sadly is not

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Speaker 4: a virtue of our current White House or most people

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Speaker 4: sitting in But look, this is a huge win. I

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Speaker 4: think there's been a lot said generationally about this issue,

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Speaker 4: particularly with the death of Lake and Riley a few

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Speaker 4: days ago that, of course, our president messed up during

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Speaker 4: the State of the Union address and has since apologized

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Speaker 4: to her murderer, but not acknowledged the death of her

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Speaker 4: to her family, which is tragic, But I hope it

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Speaker 4: continues to spur the conversation for more wins like this

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Speaker 4: in Texas and the rest of the states bordering the South.

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Speaker 1: All right, Isabel, I have seen sorry Buck. Also, we've

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Speaker 1: seen your stuff on Instagram. It does really really well.

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Speaker 1: Your book is about how gen Z can save America.

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Speaker 1: A couple of questions here, tied together. How old are

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Speaker 1: gen Z people now? I think I've got two gen

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Speaker 1: Z members that I am in the process of raising

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Speaker 1: right now, so you, obviously are are imagine the older

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Speaker 1: edge of gen Z and how does gen Z save America?

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Speaker 2: Why to kick this off?

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Speaker 4: Generally speaking, the consensus is that gen Z starts in

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Speaker 4: about nineteen ninety seven, the year that I was born,

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Speaker 4: and goes all the way down to Americans born in

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Speaker 4: twenty twelve. So when we're talking about gen Z, we're

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Speaker 4: looking at a huge group of seventy million Americans, from

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Speaker 4: pre teens to teenagers, to college students and now those

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Speaker 4: of us in our mid twenties starting to really navigate

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Speaker 4: the perils of adulthood.

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Speaker 2: Sadly, I've been.

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Speaker 4: Really frustrated, as a token voice for our generation in

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Speaker 4: politics and the media, hearing so many people older than

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Speaker 4: myself chastised gen Z as this dreaded group, the boogeyman

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Speaker 4: maybe who's destroying America before our eyes, when in reality

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Speaker 4: that's just not what's happening. I often hear that gen

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Speaker 4: Z is this overwhelmingly lazy, entitled, leftist, scream at the

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Speaker 4: sky socialist generation, But really, there are several national polls

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Speaker 4: and surveys proving that gen Z is the most conservative

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Speaker 4: generation on an issue by issue basis since World War Two.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly been my experience. But I see it

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Speaker 4: anecdotally with friends, my siblings, and the community at large

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 2: But don't like twenty percent of gen Z identify as LBGTQ,

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Speaker 2: lbgtqia plus and the number of trends within that Isn't

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Speaker 2: that like an order of magnitude higher than it had

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Speaker 2: ever been before? Or am I misreading that data? No,

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 4: There was even a crazier study that dropped a few

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Speaker 4: days ago saying thirty percent of gen Z women are

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Speaker 4: self identifying as LGBTQ plus. So I've been asked this often,

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Speaker 4: with the premise of my book being, wait, aren't you

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Speaker 4: guys really secretly conservative? These numbers are intentionally skewed to

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Speaker 4: artificially inflate and manufacture outrage over how much grab the

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Speaker 4: pride community has with our generation. When you think about

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Speaker 4: that little plus sign at the end of LGBTQ, ELEMENTOP

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Speaker 4: and every other alphabet known to man, that is really

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Speaker 4: what we need to focus on here when we see

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Speaker 4: these twenty thirty percent figures included in that plus sign

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Speaker 4: or identities like demi sexual. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 4: ever heard of that clay In book, but to be

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Speaker 4: demi sexual means to self identify as someone who's sexual

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Speaker 4: attracted to some people, but not all people, but especially

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Speaker 4: people that you have a romantic connection with, so literally

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Speaker 4: every human being in the history of the world. I

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Speaker 4: think this is a really intentional push to try to

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Speaker 4: make it seem like the Left is winning with our generation.

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Speaker 4: And there is certainly a cultural contagion happening, mostly with

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Speaker 4: young women, about this idea of changing your gender, the

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Speaker 4: exact same way that eating disorders and suicide clusters were

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Speaker 4: happening in high schools in the nineteen nineties and early

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Speaker 4: two thousands. But I think it really is just that

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Speaker 4: it's a trend, it's a fad, it's a contagion, and

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Speaker 4: we're starting to grow up and realize that the hollow

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Speaker 4: emptiness the Left has to offer it to us on

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Speaker 4: a silver platter really isn't the type of America we're

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Speaker 4: proud to call home.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I got a couple of things here.

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Speaker 1: One, I think the data reflects to Buck's points because

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Speaker 1: I actually dove into this. A huge percentage of women

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Speaker 1: now identify is by because they think guys think that

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Speaker 1: that is hotter, which a lot of guys do. So

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Speaker 1: I think partly that's a little bit manufactured. So I

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Speaker 1: think to to to your point Isabelle on this, but

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Speaker 1: second part, your videos often go viral, and I think

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Speaker 1: to your point about gen Z, I think what I

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Speaker 1: see with my kids and here in some of their

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Speaker 1: conversations is they're aware that they're being sold BS and

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Speaker 1: and a lot of this has to do with gender

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Speaker 1: related issues.

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Speaker 2: So I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: I think you recently got married, if I'm if I'm

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Speaker 1: not wrong, and you're on the upper edge as you

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Speaker 1: said of gen Z, do you see and hear a

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Speaker 1: lot of your girlfriends and a lot of the guys

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Speaker 1: as well, saying hey, you know this whole idea of

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Speaker 1: men and women not being different, that we've been sold

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Speaker 1: from the get go here in this whole woke universe

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Speaker 1: and culture that a lot of it's just BS and

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Speaker 1: they're starting to see through it.

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Speaker 4: BS is the perfect characterization of what we're being fed

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Speaker 4: every single day.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like when you watch add on social

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Speaker 4: media and we watch TikTok for all of our news

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Speaker 4: these days in commentary, when you know something is a

816
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Speaker 4: paid advertisement, our entire generation will scroll right past it.

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Speaker 4: We won't even spend a full second watching the video

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Speaker 4: because we're tired of everything being so perfectly curated, edited,

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Speaker 4: this glossy version of what is supposed to be reality

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Speaker 4: but very clearly isn't. And with gender and gender ideology

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Speaker 4: being maybe the most important cultural issue of our time,

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Speaker 4: the most fun, punk rock, rebellious way to stick it

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Speaker 4: to the people in power trying to sell us this

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Speaker 4: manufactured version of happiness is to embrace your biological gender

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Speaker 4: and gender roles. I'm getting married on June twenty ninth,

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Speaker 4: which I'm super excited about, thank you, And honestly, it's

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Speaker 4: been the joy of a lifetime to watch almost every

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Speaker 4: single one of my friends already getting married in their

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Speaker 4: early twenties. Most are engaged summer, even starting to have children.

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Speaker 4: Women everywhere despite politically polling very substantially with the Democrat Party,

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Speaker 4: although I would say there's a caveat to that. Most

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Speaker 4: gen Zers are still in high school, so we still

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Speaker 4: have to wait for them to vote. They're starting to

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Speaker 4: wake up at least on the cultural side of things

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Speaker 4: that we feel very lied to by modern feminism. We're

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Speaker 4: tired of dating apps and trying to swipe left and

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Speaker 4: right for endless hookups that don't lead to anything meaningful.

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Speaker 4: We're tired of being told having children is going to

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Speaker 4: be a sacrifice for our own careers, our own personal lives,

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Speaker 4: or maybe even the environment, because haven't you heard having

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Speaker 4: kids is apparently detrimental to AOC's green New deal, and

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Speaker 4: maybe even just the idea of being a woman itself.

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Speaker 4: So while we have men already overwhelmingly in gen Z

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Speaker 4: defining themselves as conservative, a recent poll set over seventy

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Speaker 4: percent of high school senior boys identify as extremely conservative,

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Speaker 4: it's catching up that way for women too. And we

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Speaker 4: believe that politics is downstream from culture. That phrase coined

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Speaker 4: by the late great Andrew Breitbart. I think that's only

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Speaker 4: going to continue manifesting politically for young women as well.

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Speaker 2: So just real quick, because I mean, you know, every

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Speaker 2: generation likes to give the rough stuff to the other

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Speaker 2: generations and to hear it. And this is all sounding

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Speaker 2: great to me because I came to this interview to

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Speaker 2: day I think.

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Speaker 1: Is a curmudgeon by the way, if you don't know Buck, like,

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Speaker 1: you're way too optimistic and positive for Buck here, so he's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna push them. That's all right. This is the the

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Speaker 2: gen Z Communists seem to be running the show for

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Speaker 2: you guys. And I think the most glaring example of

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Speaker 2: this would be what's going on still on the college

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Speaker 2: campuses and what we've seen, for example, with all the

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Speaker 2: pro Hamas stuff and the anti Aserel stuff on these campuses. Now,

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Speaker 2: maybe that's not indicative of what it is nationwide on campus,

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Speaker 2: but it's certainly a lot of them, the so called

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Speaker 2: elite schools. Yeah, you just said seventy percent of high

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Speaker 2: school seniors view themselves at mail. Sorry I should say

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Speaker 2: seven separate high school high school males view themselves as conservative.

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Speaker 2: Do they all just abandon ship when they go to

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Speaker 2: college because they want a date with some purple haired communists?

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Speaker 2: Like what happened now?

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Speaker 4: I think mostly what we're seeing on college campus is

872
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Speaker 4: as absolutely outrageous as it is, is substantially toned down

873
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Speaker 4: onto a lot of what I experienced on campus. For example,

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Speaker 4: I was at Colorado State University from two thousand and

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Speaker 4: fifteen all the way through twenty nineteen and then Georgetown

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Speaker 4: for graduate school for a year thereafter, right at the

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Speaker 4: height of the rise of Antifa, when people were lighting

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Speaker 4: UCLA on fire because Ben Shapiro went to go back

879
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Speaker 4: and speak there in southern California. It was a really

880
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Speaker 4: crazy reality. But for every insane story of a pro

881
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Speaker 4: Palestine protest you might see at Harvard, I really like

882
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Speaker 4: to point people in the direction of social media to

883
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Speaker 4: expose the other side of things. Street preachers like a

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Speaker 4: guy named Cliff who goes viral on TikTok every single day.

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Speaker 4: Recently just held an event at Mississippi State University I believe,

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Speaker 4: I think it was Mississippi State, with over a thousand

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Speaker 4: students packed into.

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Speaker 2: A tiny lecture hall room.

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Speaker 4: They had to open up three other additional rooms to

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Speaker 4: let students hear about God, which absolutely follows national trends too.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, less than a quarter of our

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Speaker 4: generation said that we believed in any higher power. By

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Speaker 4: the end of twenty twenty three, over a third of

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Speaker 4: us proudly say that we believe in God.

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Speaker 2: And when you break that down.

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Speaker 4: Denominationally, we're even seeking further tradition and structure than this

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Speaker 4: half In half out cultural washed Christianity that we've been

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Speaker 4: living with for so long. Gen Z, for example, is

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Speaker 4: the most likely demographic in the American Catholic Church to

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Speaker 4: prefer the traditional Latin mass.

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Speaker 2: So these are real.

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Speaker 4: Things that are happening, and of course they're not as

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Speaker 4: flashy or sexy on a national news broadcast as a

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Speaker 4: bunch of students saying they want to blow up their

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Speaker 4: campus for Hamas, which does in fact happen. But that's

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Speaker 4: a very vocal minority that I think continues to cycle

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Speaker 4: this manufactured outrage that's keeping cable news going and in

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Speaker 4: business in a time that they desperately need to keep

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Speaker 4: as many eyes glued to the screen since we're all

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Speaker 4: watching TikTok videos and YouTube live streams to get our

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Speaker 4: news instead.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is certainly last question for you. My kids

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Speaker 1: go into YouTube. That's where they get all their news

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Speaker 1: unless they're watching sports with me. They do not go

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Speaker 1: into traditional media. I bet there's moms and grandma's listening

916
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Speaker 1: to us right now that love you, and a lot

917
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Speaker 1: of dads and granddads too. How can they find you?

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Speaker 1: How can they share your content so maybe their grandkids

919
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Speaker 1: will listen or their kids will listen to you more

920
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Speaker 1: than they would them. And also how can they get

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Speaker 1: the book? And this is now a trio of questions,

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Speaker 1: what should happen with TikTok?

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Speaker 3: Ban it?

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Speaker 1: Based on your understanding of the app? And how did

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Speaker 1: your content do there?

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Speaker 4: I wish we had three hours to talk about TikTok,

927
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Speaker 4: but short answer, no, I think it would be a

928
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Speaker 4: grave mistake to ban the platform. A lot of what

929
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Speaker 4: you're hearing about security and data concerns really is manufactured

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Speaker 4: to try to generate news headlines here. If they were

931
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Speaker 4: really serious about that, we'd be talking about every social

932
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Speaker 4: media platform and several other national security issues. But if

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Speaker 4: I can say one last thing for why you should.

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Speaker 2: Grab a concay Isabelle. That analysis, which sounds like a

935
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Speaker 2: very smart former CIA officer that I know, it was

936
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Speaker 2: incredibly astute, And I'm happy to hear someone Bug's argument

937
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Speaker 2: he's been making for some time, like a year now.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to hear at least one person from the

939
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Speaker 2: purple haired communist general understands what's really going on. Oh,

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Speaker 2: we're going to keep fighting for TikTok, surely.

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Speaker 4: But really, I wrote this book because now, more than

942
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Speaker 4: ever before, when we've never been so divided and angry

943
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Speaker 4: and miserable and pessimistic about the future of our country.

944
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Speaker 4: I think it's time for us to return to our

945
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Speaker 4: roots of what it means to be an American and

946
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Speaker 4: what do I mean by that. The people who built

947
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Speaker 4: the foundation of this country were not decrepit, falling apart,

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Speaker 4: completely senile old men that make up the entirety of

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Speaker 4: the United States Congress and the White House today, which

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Speaker 4: is probably why we feel so pessimistic our founding fathers

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Speaker 4: on July fourth, seventeen seventy six, we're eighteen, nineteen, twenty

952
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Speaker 4: one years old. Even Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration

953
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Speaker 4: of Independence, was only thirty three years old on July fourth,

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Speaker 4: seventeen seventy six. If we're serious about building a path

955
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Speaker 4: for our country that's based in objective truth, marriage, taking back, entrepreneurship,

956
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Speaker 4: and just the idea of freedom of expression, it has

957
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Speaker 4: to start with giving young people a seat at the table.

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Speaker 4: So if you're a gen Zer looking for hope, this

959
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Speaker 4: book is for you. If you have a gen Zer

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Speaker 4: in your life that you're looking to inspire and encouraged

961
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Speaker 4: to continue making a difference in their community. This book

962
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Speaker 4: is for you, and I host a live stream every

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Speaker 4: day across social media platforms where we talk about every

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Speaker 4: cultural issue, from banning TikTok to what the heck happened

965
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Speaker 4: on social media or in Hollywood last week from a

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Speaker 4: gen Z perspective, Consider checking it out across platforms at

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Speaker 4: the Isabelle.

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Speaker 2: Brown, Are you ever have a bunch of old guys

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Speaker 2: one who talks about sports, either talks about random history

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Speaker 2: books on I'm just saying, yeah, you guys should absolutely

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Speaker 2: come on the live stream. We have a great time.

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Speaker 2: I won't even refer to them as the youth. They

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Speaker 2: know the token youths.

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Speaker 1: Hello, oldest, he's the oldest man on the planet. Who's

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Speaker 1: not actually that old? Is about last question for you?

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Speaker 1: I know, I said, last question, No, get a last question?

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Speaker 2: You know? Is Biden going to be the nominee? Oh

978
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Speaker 2: that's too serious.

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Speaker 4: I've been saying for a year and a half that

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Speaker 4: he wasn't. But I think we're getting a little down

981
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Speaker 4: to the wire. I think the DNC in August will

982
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Speaker 4: be very telling.

983
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Speaker 2: They have buck across the board.

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Speaker 1: Just want to make sure, all right, I said last week,

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Speaker 1: this is the legit last question. Have you ever dated

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Speaker 1: a guy and told we needed to drive faster? Ah?

987
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a fast driver. I'm a pedal

988
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Speaker 2: to the metal girl. I got places to be.

989
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Speaker 4: My parents are probably rolling their eyes hearing that, because

990
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Speaker 4: I'm the only speeder in the family.

991
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Speaker 1: But I just yeah, well, I can't drives too slow.

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Speaker 1: It's his wife had to tell him to drive faster.

993
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Speaker 1: A kidney shot right right after the bell. A kidney

994
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Speaker 1: shot right after the bell. All right, Isabel Brown, everybody

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Speaker 1: gen Z streamer the book The End of the Alphabet.

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Speaker 1: How gen Z Can Save America, Isabelle, it has been

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Speaker 1: most fun. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Look Hillsdale College, they hopefully you are training a lot

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Speaker 1: of young Isabel Brown's in a gen Z to help

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Speaker 1: to make a difference in this country. They recognize the

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Speaker 1: The course will trace the history of citizenship and explains

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Speaker 1: how it's being undermined in America today by open borders,

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Speaker 1: identity politics, the administrative State and globalization. Watch the online

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