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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites of the podcast presented by BET

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Speaker 1: three six five. We are part of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chad Milman, chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: Joining me on this very special podcast is my co host,

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Speaker 1: my companion, my compadre, my BFF professional better Sigmon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 3: So, I man, I think it must be the only

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Speaker 3: weekend in my life, Chad.

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Speaker 4: I wish I was Chad Milman because I lost a

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Speaker 4: ton of money back in Dallas and I should have

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Speaker 4: listened to my friend here Chad and a bunch of

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Speaker 4: professional betters. But yeah, like, I still think my thought

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Speaker 4: process is right, right, don't. I mean, Luca showed up,

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Speaker 4: but unfortunately Kyrie did not. So yeah, Chad, you nailed it.

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Speaker 4: Like They're just a more complete team right now, and

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Speaker 4: I'm killing myself. I propped up Drew Holliday. Guess who

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Speaker 4: don't put any type of MVP bet Andrew Holly. This

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Speaker 4: guy so typical talk of guy up to no one's

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Speaker 4: talking about. He shows out and didn't put money on.

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Speaker 4: But great call.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a sick in the head. I'm backing.

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Speaker 3: I saw a guy Hardwood proxy put out. Uh you

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Speaker 3: know what was it.

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Speaker 4: They're the team in this position that's zero to two.

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Speaker 4: Now back home is six and oh. The last six

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Speaker 4: times in the spot went in straight up. So I'm sickly.

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Speaker 4: I'm at the bet Dallas again, three three games in

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Speaker 4: a row. But yeah, Chad, not not not a bad

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Speaker 4: start for you being two and oh in your finals pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, that just felt like a no brainer. We

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Speaker 1: got five guys on the Celtics who would be no

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Speaker 1: worse than the third best on any team. You got

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Speaker 1: two guys in the MAVs, and everyone else is replaceable.

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Speaker 3: And they looked at they looked at in Boston, that's

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 5: We'll see how they.

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Speaker 1: Look everyone else. It's funny you mentioned Drew Holliday. So

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Speaker 1: a buddy of mine I was texting with him bought

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Speaker 1: Drew Holliday one hundred and forty to one to win

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Speaker 1: MVV and the debate in my house right now has

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Speaker 1: been and he was trying to figure out should he

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Speaker 1: take the cash out offer because it's a pretty good

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Speaker 1: offer right now, and probably would he did. He did

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Speaker 1: take the cash out offer because the truth is, I

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Speaker 1: was talking to my kid last night about this.

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Speaker 2: Tatum is practically.

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Speaker 1: Averaging a triple double, and I think what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen is what's going to happen is the MAVs will

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Speaker 1: go and win Game three, the Celtics will win Game four,

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Speaker 1: they'll go home win Game five.

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Speaker 2: It'll be a gentleman's sweep.

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Speaker 1: And in one of those games, Tatum is going to

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Speaker 1: go off, and when he does, that's going to be

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Speaker 1: what secures the MVP for Tatum because he's playing it

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Speaker 1: like an elite level that you don't really notice right

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Speaker 1: now when he has that one game, when he goes off.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you'll be like, oh, yeah, this

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Speaker 2: guy's the MVP.

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Speaker 4: So Tatum's curse is he's not allowed personality, right, isn't

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, that's his curse. If

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Speaker 4: he if he was out there proclaiming like if he was,

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Speaker 4: if he was you know, any other athlete in the

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Speaker 4: NBA that we've seen before him where it's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm the greatest, I'm God's gift to the world, people

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Speaker 4: would be talking about him. But he's just not that

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Speaker 4: personality type. So yeah, it's a disservice to him. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: once again, Schad, you're nailing it right. Now, so I

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Speaker 4: want to I want to disagree with everything you just said,

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Speaker 4: like I can't because you are you are winning.

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Speaker 3: You're winning right now.

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Speaker 1: Well you're bringing me flowers, and I appreciate that, Simon.

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Speaker 1: Today we are joined by one of the most popular

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Speaker 1: voices in NFL media, host of the wildly popular podcast

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Speaker 1: The Athletic Football Show. Look, he've been doing this for many,

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Speaker 1: many years as a writer, as an analyst, as a podcaster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the best in the biz. Robert May's welcome.

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Speaker 5: Brother's incredible introduction.

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Speaker 6: I don't think I live up to any of those things,

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Speaker 6: but I really appreciate it. I mean, the only thing

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Speaker 6: that's objectively true is that I have been doing this

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Speaker 6: for what seems like a long time now. Sometimes I

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Speaker 6: forget that, but we're going on like twelve or thirteen years,

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Speaker 6: and that is a huge chunk of my life.

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Speaker 1: So well, look overlapped back in the ESPN Grantland days,

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Speaker 1: and I do think it'd be interesting, Like Grantlin was

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Speaker 2: So much great talent came out of Grantline.

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Speaker 1: Describe a little bit for people like what it was like.

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Speaker 1: For those who don't know, Grantlin was a Bill Simmons

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Speaker 1: started sports focused website, sports and pop culture website within

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Speaker 1: the ESPN ecosystem, and then when he left, he ultimately

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Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 2: Robert you started at Grantland. Tell people what it was

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Speaker 2: like then.

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Speaker 6: I was the first person hired to work there, which

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Speaker 6: is crazy to think about, but it is true. And

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Speaker 6: so I arrived there in March of twenty eleven and

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Speaker 6: there's no one else in the office. And then Lane Brown,

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Speaker 6: who was eventually our culture editor at Grantland, came and

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Speaker 6: just me and him in the office, and so there

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Speaker 6: was only three or four of us there for the

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Speaker 6: first month or so, and we would just kind of

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Speaker 6: sit in Bill's office and just talk about what we

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Speaker 6: wanted the site to be, which is insane. I mean,

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Speaker 6: just to think back on kind of the content of

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Speaker 6: those conversations and how creative it all felt and how

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Speaker 6: free it all felt. It was a really special experience

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Speaker 6: for somebody who was twenty three years old and doing

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Speaker 6: his first job in media to just be able to

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Speaker 6: kind of sit in and feel the growth of it

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Speaker 6: and kind of be at the genesis of it all,

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Speaker 6: and that's true on the written side. And then I

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Speaker 6: mean Javi Jacobi when I was twenty three came to

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Speaker 6: me and was like, do you want to do a podcast,

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Speaker 6: because that's how podcasts were handed out in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 6: and I was like, yeah, I do want to do

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Speaker 5: That sounds great.

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Speaker 6: And I've been doing a podcast now for the last

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Speaker 6: fourteen years and watching the podcast business grow and watching

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Speaker 6: kind of the trailblazing elements that we did there. I

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Speaker 6: mean guys that are famous now, like super famous, like

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Speaker 6: the No Dunks guys were on the Grantline podcast network,

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Speaker 6: men in Blazers was on the Grantline podcast network, and

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Speaker 6: just to I kind of have the perspective we have

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Speaker 6: about what it looked like then and what it looks

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Speaker 6: like now. It's a it's a special set of experiences.

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Speaker 1: I can say that it is a wild time not

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Speaker 1: to get media geeked out for a second, but I

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Speaker 1: bet a lot of people can remember when places like

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Speaker 1: dead Spin started in the early two thousands, and it

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Speaker 1: was the first iteration of snarky media blogs that were

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Speaker 3: The onion to the onion too.

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Speaker 1: The onion, Oh my god, it was fantastic, And like,

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Speaker 1: that's what when you talk about podcasting, that's what it

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Speaker 1: feels like now, Like that era of twenty eleven, Bill

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Speaker 4: And then Billy was years and years ahead, right, I

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Speaker 4: mean he was way ahead sports.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it was him and Maren at that point.

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Speaker 6: I think we're kind of like trailblazers in their own

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Speaker 4: Somehow Jim Rome still was like big then even in

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Speaker 2: I remember, that's right, that's totally right.

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Speaker 1: And now you look at the podcast business, it's so

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Speaker 1: hyper competitive.

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Speaker 2: It's so hard to get started.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've interviewed someone

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Speaker 1: It's like, how do you see that? How do you

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Speaker 6: I feel lucky because of that. And I think that

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Speaker 6: and then the Athletic Football Show is only four years old,

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Speaker 6: and so we joined an incredibly crowded landscape and we

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Speaker 6: that there's a real earnestness to what we did. And

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Speaker 2: All right, Robert, we were all over.

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Speaker 1: The weekend trading messages about the interview you had with

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Speaker 5: It was going to work, and it was going to

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Speaker 5: Pride comes before the fall in a pretty big way.

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Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off, Jed, well, no, but I

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Speaker 6: eyes a stuff like that when I was younger, but

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Speaker 6: now I think I've kind of seen the light about

442
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Speaker 6: how important it is. And I think there are two

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Speaker 6: fronts with guys in college coming into the NFL. Did

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Speaker 6: he do it in the biggest games in those moments?

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Speaker 6: How did he play? You think about how CJ. Stroud

446
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Speaker 6: looked in that game against Georgia and the College Football

447
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Speaker 6: Playoff and just what that looks like now in retrospect,

448
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Speaker 6: and we've seen what he is. And I think the

449
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Speaker 6: other side of it is what has he looked like

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Speaker 6: when things have gone poorly, you know, when he's had

451
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Speaker 6: to play behind a bad offensive line, when he's had

452
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Speaker 6: to play in an imperfect system, what has he looked like?

453
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Speaker 6: And that's honestly, one of the reasons I'm bullish on

454
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Speaker 6: Caleb Williams compared to some other guys that are drafted

455
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Speaker 6: number one overall is that we've seen him in a

456
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Speaker 6: really bad situation as recently as last year, and even

457
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Speaker 6: working through that, you can still see the glimpses of

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Speaker 6: what makes him special.

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Speaker 2: Since you brought him.

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Speaker 4: Up, I was gonna say, God, damn it, that was

461
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Speaker 4: waiting for it.

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Speaker 1: You know you're chicagoan. I'm Chicagoan. I've got significant feelings

463
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Speaker 1: about Caleb Williams. The other day, our friend darn Ravel

464
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was being kind or if

465
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Speaker 1: he was trolling me. He texted me, you know, he's

466
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Speaker 1: in the memorabilia space now his new site collect and.

467
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Speaker 2: He texted me a link to an.

468
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Speaker 1: eBay auction for ticket stubs from the very first game

469
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Speaker 1: in which Sid Luckman through a touchdown pass and the

470
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Speaker 1: very last game in which Sid Luckman threw a touchdown pass.

471
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Speaker 1: The pair were going for thirty five bucks, and to

472
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Speaker 1: me it was indicative another reminder of how pathetically bad

473
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Speaker 1: the Bears quarterbacking has been since Sid Luckman retired seventy

474
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Speaker 1: four years ago. And you point out something about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: And how did you make the bid?

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Speaker 2: You know what I was about to.

477
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Speaker 3: That's a good price.

478
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Speaker 1: Here's why I didn't do it, No joke I was about.

479
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Speaker 1: I was literally clicking on it. My buddy, who made

480
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Speaker 1: the Drew Holliday one hundred and forty to one MVP

481
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Speaker 1: called me because Drew Holliday was going off in the game,

482
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Speaker 1: and so we were talking about that, and then when

483
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Speaker 1: we got off the phone, I forgot about the bid

484
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Speaker 1: literally until this second.

485
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Speaker 2: I gotta go back to Ravel's text and see what

486
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Speaker 2: his price that now.

487
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Speaker 1: But the point is Calverd did this great interview with

488
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Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams when he had his pro day, and he

489
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Speaker 1: tried to get him to admit that he had a

490
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Speaker 1: terrible offensive line, and I was very impressed with how

491
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Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams dodged the question and just answered about his

492
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Speaker 1: ability to be mobile and the circumstance he was playing

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Speaker 1: under last year. So to your point, Robert, you know,

494
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're thinking about Caleb overall, but

495
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Speaker 1: I was impressed with that answer and impressed that he

496
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Speaker 1: was recognizing he had to play under trying circumstances last year.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I think that one of the things that's

498
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Speaker 6: jumped out to me since being exposed to him a

499
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Speaker 6: little bit more through interviews and just since he became

500
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Speaker 6: a pro and a bear specifically, is just how ready

501
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Speaker 6: he is for this moment in ways that guys aren't always.

502
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Speaker 5: He's been famous for a long time.

503
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Speaker 6: For a twenty one year old kid, and I think

504
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Speaker 6: that is kind of a downstream effect of what the

505
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Speaker 6: nil era has given us, is that these guys have money,

506
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 6: They can be on TV. You know, they have managers,

507
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 6: they have agents, and I think there's some negatives that

508
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 6: can come along with that, but I also think that

509
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 6: it's more time on task with what being a professional

510
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 6: looks like, sounds like, feels like. And when you watch

511
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 6: that guy in front of a microphone interacting with people,

512
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 6: he clearly has a better sense of that sort of

513
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 6: stuff than a lot of twenty one year old kids

514
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Speaker 6: who've never had to carry any of that before.

515
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Speaker 4: Now what's going to follow him his whole career, Which

516
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Speaker 4: I'd love to get your opinions since you've been around him,

517
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 4: is is this the number one love in his life?

518
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Speaker 3: All any great quarterback?

519
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Speaker 4: I mean Tom Brady was literally pointing at him when

520
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: he was saying, there's players who care more about their

521
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: name and their brand and the offield stuff than on

522
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Speaker 4: the field. And I know they took a lot of

523
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Speaker 4: you know, heat for that, and there's a whole thing

524
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Speaker 4: on it, but is it real? Is Williams from your experience,

525
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 4: is he like, no, this is all I care about,

526
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Speaker 4: Like all the other stuff, I could get rid of

527
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Speaker 4: it tomorrow as long as I saw a football. You

528
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Speaker 4: see him as kind of being on the fence like

529
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Speaker 4: he's got both feet at like you know, on each side,

530
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Speaker 4: where it's like he loves he loves the life, but

531
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Speaker 4: he loves football, which we've seen that doesn't work in football, right,

532
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Speaker 4: Like we've seen it. Like you want you got to

533
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 4: be a cycle, you got to be all in because

534
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: you know who's a psycho? Patrick Mahomes, like Lamar, Josh Allen,

535
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: all these guys, Joe Burrow, they're psychos.

536
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Speaker 3: This is all they care about.

537
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Speaker 4: So I would love to hear your view on Williams,

538
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Speaker 4: because this is what the haters are going to say

539
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: his whole career.

540
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Speaker 3: If he doesn't do well, they're like, ah, he cared

541
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Speaker 3: about the spotlight, Like you know, that's just the older

542
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,239
Speaker 3: guy thing to say, right, So I'd love to hear

543
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Speaker 3: your take on that.

544
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Speaker 5: I would say two things.

545
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Speaker 6: One, it does feel like the football is important to

546
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Speaker 6: him and he wants to be really good. I mean,

547
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Speaker 6: everybody that has been around him and anybody that has

548
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Speaker 6: any proximity to him seems to think that's true. He's

549
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Speaker 6: a good teammate. That's the thing I'm most worried about.

550
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Speaker 6: Can you relate to the guys in the locker room.

551
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Speaker 6: Can you be somebody that can find common ground with

552
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Speaker 6: all fifty three of those guys? Can you be a

553
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Speaker 6: leader and meet guys where they are? Can you listen

554
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Speaker 6: when it's necessary? And he said all the right things

555
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Speaker 6: when it comes to every single aspect of that. On

556
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Speaker 6: the other side of it, I would implore people who

557
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Speaker 6: think that you have to be this football focus monster

558
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 6: to go google Tom Brady, met Gala and Joe Brady

559
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 6: or Joe Burrow, Michael Rubin, party just just go check

560
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Speaker 6: some of those things out, Like there are guys who

561
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Speaker 6: love the life and can still be attracted to and

562
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Speaker 6: engaged with football, Like it's not a twelve month a

563
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Speaker 6: year job. You can still have interest outside of the game.

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Speaker 6: I think that practice schedules, practice habits, you know, the

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566
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567
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Speaker 5: those things.

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599
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to win or succeed did not watch him postgame,

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Speaker 1: crying in his mother's arms after I think it was

601
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Speaker 1: his last game or.

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Speaker 2: The Bowl game.

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Speaker 1: I was moved by it, and I know there was conversation.

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Speaker 1: You know that you don't want a quarterback who does that?

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Speaker 1: I do like I'm practically in the fetal position in

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Speaker 1: tears if Simon and I don't go at least three

607
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Speaker 1: and two in our contest every week, Like I want

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Speaker 1: someone who cares so much that they are going to

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Speaker 1: be moved to tears if it doesn't go well for them.

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Speaker 1: Why would that be a bad thing in any aspect

611
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Speaker 1: of life. Why was someone who is so passionate about

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Speaker 1: something that they are trying so hard they want us

613
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Speaker 1: to see so well that they get emotional about it.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing to me.

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Speaker 6: I think it's just about finding your path to discipline,

616
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 6: whatever that happens to be. You know, if you're Tom

617
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 6: Brady and you love the process, you love the actual

618
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 6: ritual of getting up in the morning, going about it

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Speaker 6: the same way every single day, every practice is as

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Speaker 6: if you were practicing for the Super Bowl, and that's

621
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Speaker 6: how you get out of bed in the morning, and

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Speaker 6: that's how you apply the same level of discipline to

623
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Speaker 6: the craft every day. That's one avenue. If Caleb Williams's

624
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 6: path is I want to be great, I want to

625
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Speaker 6: be remembered, I want to be special. But the end

626
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Speaker 6: result is the same. You still put in the same

627
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Speaker 6: amount of work. You still find discipline in the same way.

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Speaker 6: It just happens to be coming from a different Whether

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Speaker 6: it's internal or external motivation, extrinsic or instrinsic, it doesn't

630
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Speaker 6: really matter. I think that it's all about making sure

631
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Speaker 6: that you're putting in the work every single day, and

632
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 6: wherever that pasth comes from, it becomes immaterial at a

633
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Speaker 6: certain point.

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope it doesn't eat them alive, because it's

635
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: sitting there the mantle of I mean, we saw Derek Rose, right, Chicago,

636
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: they are dying for a guy like that, right, I

637
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: mean they just want that kind of guy, and he

638
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 4: has a personality for it, right. And Derek Rose, he

639
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: was a silent killer, but he was perfect for the city,

640
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 4: like everything about it, especially Chicago at that time. It

641
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: was those were really rough days in the city. He

642
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: kind of embodied the city that's been lacking in Chicago,

643
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: has been missing that. So like that's my thing with him.

644
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Speaker 4: It's like it's you couldn't have picked a better spot

645
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Speaker 4: for this guy. I mean, the way it all worked out,

646
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Speaker 4: where it's like they've been dying for a guy for

647
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Speaker 4: this their whole life. I mean, as an Egos fan,

648
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Speaker 4: we just had our first four thousand yard passer was

649
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Speaker 4: Carson Wentz.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at that guy's career.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, as a suffering fan base, I get

652
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Speaker 4: Bears fans just they they've been dying for one and

653
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Speaker 4: it does feel like, I mean, just watching his tape

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Speaker 4: in these camps, you I mean, you haven't seen something

655
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Speaker 4: like this ever in Chicago. His throes is arm angles,

656
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: his footwork, it's all just like, oh my god, I

657
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Speaker 4: can't believe. And the way they set it up too,

658
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Speaker 4: all the pieces there. So I just wanted to put

659
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: that out there because that's everyone that's messages us, because

660
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 4: me and Chad talk way too much about him as is.

661
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: That's the thing they bring up every time.

662
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: They're just like, I don't think this kid Carris with

663
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 4: the most And my whole pushback is all these guys

664
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: have other interests. It's like, I'm not worried about him yet.

665
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: I might worry about him is year four, when he

666
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: has the weight of the world and they've had a

667
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: little big success. How will you be in these moments.

668
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: So just as a fan of good football, like he's

669
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 4: so good for our sport, and you know, I have

670
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: the highest hopes that he works out Chicago, just because

671
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: the city's never had that.

672
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: I mean, Sid Luckman, what year was that.

673
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: Chad nineteen thirty nine to nineteen fifty seven, So.

674
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: That's what I mean. We're that city. Dicko is a

675
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: lifetime ago. They've been dying for a guy in football

676
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 4: like this.

677
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 6: If he throws for four thousand yards and thirty touchdowns, ever,

678
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 6: it will be the greatest season in the history of

679
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 6: quarterbacking in Chicago. That's not an exaggeration.

680
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: It's not an exaggeration.

681
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 5: Great sooner he could do it pretty quickly.

682
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 6: And if you need any sort of hint about how

683
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 6: fast and how fervently the Chicago Bears fan base will

684
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 6: attach themselves to a quarterback, look no further than how

685
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 6: rabid that very small part of the Bears fan base

686
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 6: was about justin fields like two months ago, I mean,

687
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 6: that's it, and justin fields. If you look at every

688
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 6: single advanced metric, every single stat was a bottom third

689
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 6: of the league quarterback and pretty much everything, and he

690
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 6: had a very vocal section of Chicago Bears fans essentially

691
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 6: petitioning against the idea of trading him. So if Caleb

692
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 6: Williams is even a half decent quarterback that can provide

693
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 6: that fan base with a couple morsels of excitement, I

694
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 6: think that they'll win a He will win them over

695
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 6: pretty fast.

696
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: He throws one laser to Roma Dunza over the middle

697
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: of the field in the first game of the year

698
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: against the Tennessee Titans, Soldier Field is going to go bananas.

699
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: One good play is going to turn the postgame show

700
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: into a super Bowl like irrational celebration.

701
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: They should They should do the t O mcnabbo's first game,

702
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: I think might have a preseason they did a fake

703
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: hand off the Westbrook and then just threw a bomb

704
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: the t O and literally the whole link almost collapsed.

705
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 4: They should do that with the opening game with Williams.

706
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: They're just like you just said, I would explode big stadium.

707
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: But Robert, do you think like the Bears like to

708
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: bring it around. This is the last thing we need

709
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: to say about the Bears. But it's germane to this conversation,

710
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: and it's going to be a dominant theme for quarterbacking

711
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: and what it does in the NFL for the next

712
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, Can the quarterbacks be the Can the

713
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Bears be the organization that can support grow a quarterback

714
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: with the talent like Kayleb Williams as we've been discussing, Yes,

715
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: I think they can be.

716
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 6: I think that they did not necessarily set themselves up

717
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 6: in the best way that they could have. I think

718
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 6: bringing back Eberflus and going with somebody like Shane Waldron,

719
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 6: who I think did a solid but unspectacular job in

720
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 6: Seattle is not the clearest path to properly developing a quarterback,

721
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 6: but I think it gives you a chance to So

722
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 6: I'm not sure I would have done what they did.

723
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 6: I think I might have started with the clean slate,

724
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 6: gone with an offense.

725
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: Year. Don't worry.

726
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 6: Well, that's That's also part of the problem, right, is

727
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 6: that we've played this game out so many times in Chicago,

728
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 6: where a previous regime drafts a quarterback, they fall short

729
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 6: in year one, that regime gets fired, and then this

730
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 6: guy that you drafted in the first round is starting

731
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 6: with his second staff and his second offensive system in

732
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 6: two years. I've seen that song, heard that song so

733
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 6: many times. It's happened twice in the last two times,

734
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 6: the bearst of quarterbacks in the first round. It happened

735
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 6: with mister Bisky and the John Fox regime. It happened

736
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 6: with Justin Fields and the Matt nag regime. And you're

737
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 6: setting yourself your quarterback up for failure if you do that.

738
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 6: So I think they are one step closer to that

739
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 6: eventuality than they would have been if they had started

740
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 6: over with their head coach this year. I don't think

741
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 6: that Eberfus is on the same sort of hot seat

742
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 6: at a John Fox or a Matt Nage were where

743
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 6: they almost picked those quarterbacks out of desperation for their

744
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 6: own jobs. To a certain extent, this feels different than that,

745
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 6: But I also don't think it's the perfect circumstances from

746
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 6: an infrastructure standpoint. I think the players they put around

747
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 6: him are very good, But from an infrastructure standpoint, I

748
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 6: don't think it is a perfect set of circumstances for

749
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 6: a young quarterback.

750
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: So staying in the division, Justin Jefferson just signed a

751
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: massive contract extension, most money ever for a receiver. You've

752
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: covered Justin Jefferson, You've written about Justin Jefferson. You had

753
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: a story a few years ago defensive backs described covering

754
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: him with a quote, his body lies to you.

755
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 2: Describe what that means.

756
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 6: I was always fascinated by this because I just felt

757
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 6: like he moved a little bit differently than other guys

758
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 6: at the position. And he's six ' one, but when

759
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 6: I stand, I'm five to eleven, justin Jefferson six to one,

760
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 6: and he stood next to him outside of the Vikings facility,

761
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 6: And even though he's only two inches taller than me,

762
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 6: his hip bone was about four inches higher than mine was.

763
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 6: So he's six ' one with these extremely long legs.

764
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 6: So when you're trying to figure out why he's moving

765
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 6: a certain way as a dB, he's chewing up so

766
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 6: much space so fast for a six to one guy

767
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 6: because his strides are insanely long. But because he's still

768
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: only six ' one and his center of gravity is

769
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 6: fairly low, he's able to change direction in a way

770
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 6: that is different than somebody with that stride length. So

771
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 6: that combination, he just moves differently than most guys who

772
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 6: are built like he is at that height at the position.

773
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 6: So there's really no way to understand when he's going

774
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 6: to throttle down when he's going to change direction, and

775
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 6: it makes it really really difficult to predict his movements.

776
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 6: And I think that we've seen that from DB's consistently

777
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 6: that just get absolutely cooked by him in open space

778
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 6: because they have no idea where he's going, and because he's.

779
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 4: Been injured, we forget how he is probably the best

780
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 4: receiver on football, like not everything you just said is true.

781
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: And then throw on top of that, he might have

782
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: the best hands in football, like that that Buffalo catch, Well,

783
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: that's if he makes all the fame. That's one of

784
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: the clips still show right, like that was a Hall

785
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 4: of Fame catch and throw by Kirk, like that whole

786
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: whole sequence and then getting that game. So yeah, I

787
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 4: love the fact that they are setting up their rookie

788
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: same as you guys with the Bears. It's like you're

789
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 4: setting your team up right with the rookie QB with

790
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: you know, an all pro receiver. I mean, the Bears

791
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: happened to maybe have three, but they guaranteed right now

792
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: in Vikings they have one. So you know, all the

793
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 4: stuff about them trying to move to the Jets, was

794
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 4: that real? Like the Jets were really trying to get

795
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: him off the Vikings. Was that real or was that

796
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: just draft talk? Did that really actually happen?

797
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 6: The Vikings were never going to trade him. Okay, they

798
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 6: were never going to trade him. I mean, it's the

799
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: entire point of doing what the Vikings have done over

800
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 6: the last couple of years, moving off of a contract

801
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 6: like Kirk Cousins and moving on to a rookie quarterback

802
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 6: contract is to balance the deals that you're going to

803
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 6: hand out at other positions. So the way that the

804
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 6: Vikings have conceived of this, if you think about the

805
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 6: way that some teams who are often drafting a quarterback,

806
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 6: they have to spend after getting the quarterback because their

807
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 6: teams are so bad and they have so much cap

808
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 6: space that the only way to kind of take advantage

809
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 6: of that rookie quarterback contract is to spend in free

810
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 6: agency or via trades over the year or two after

811
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 6: you draft that quarterback. With the Vikings, they felt good

812
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 6: enough about their infrastructure, two high level starting tackles, the

813
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 6: best wide receiver in the league, one of the best

814
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 6: best catching tight ends in the league, and a very

815
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 6: good number two receiver who they drafted in the first

816
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 6: round last year. Their thought is we're going to pre

817
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 6: spend on those pieces before we get the quarterback. And

818
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 6: that's what they've done, and the Christian Deosov contract will

819
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 6: be coming here in the.

820
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 5: Next year or so.

821
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 6: So that was the idea, is that if we're going

822
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 6: to have the most expensive receiver in the league, a

823
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 6: top paid tight end, two top paid tackles, we can't

824
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: afford somebody like Kirk Cousins. So we need to get

825
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 6: onto the final financial benefits of a rookie quarterback contract.

826
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 6: That plan doesn't make sense without justin Jefferson, so it

827
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 6: was never going to happen. That was always the precedent

828
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 6: and the antecedent to what the second half of the

829
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 6: plan was going to look like.

830
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 5: From Minnesota.

831
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: How did you know his hip bones were four inches

832
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: higher than your hip bones?

833
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 5: I had him stand next to me, you did, I

834
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 5: was curious?

835
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you noticed, like you noticed that his hips

836
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: were much higher? Like how do you even see that?

837
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 6: I stood next to him, and I like, just where

838
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 6: is his hip boat? I literally hip to hip stood

839
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 6: next to him. So the Viking, I mean, this is

840
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 6: like inside baseball, but though oftentimes the interviews will happen

841
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 6: right outside of the door to their facilities. So guys

842
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 6: will come off the practice field, he'll sit on a

843
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 6: little like cobblestone rate like bench area and you just talk.

844
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 6: And so we were sitting there having that conversation in person,

845
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 6: and I said, can you stand up for me for

846
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 6: a second, And we just went hip to hip and

847
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 6: I wanted to see how long his legs were because

848
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: I wanted to see if the theory that his legs

849
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 6: were insanely long for six to one person was correct.

850
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 6: And that was really the only way of doing it

851
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 6: field research.

852
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,719
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853
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,000
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854
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,120
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855
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856
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857
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858
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860
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863
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864
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865
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867
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868
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,160
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869
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: on Sunday?

870
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean different than somebody who's just watching the

871
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 6: game as a fan would watch. But I don't think

872
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 6: differently than analysts would watch, you know, I don't. I've

873
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 6: never pretended to be a person who has like this

874
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 6: exceptional x's and oh's football knowledge. I didn't play football

875
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 6: after high school. I've done my best to learn about

876
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 6: the game from people who know it best, talking to coaches,

877
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 6: talking to players, you know, watching videos, reading books, watching clinics.

878
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 6: But I'm not somebody who sees the game and understands

879
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 6: route concepts and progressions and all of that stuff like

880
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 6: former players are like really in tune analysts too. But

881
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 6: I think that I'm watching it differently than a general

882
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: fan would, just because I'm trying to pay attention to

883
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 6: what was the formation on this play, what was the

884
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 6: motion like on this play, how did they line up,

885
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 6: what was the personnel grouping?

886
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 5: Things like that.

887
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 6: But that's more just because I want to be in

888
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 6: tune with those things for my job, not because I

889
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 6: have some preternatural ability to see the game in a

890
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 6: way that other people can't.

891
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: Now, I know Chad will love this.

892
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: I just love schedule of talk and my my biggest thing,

893
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 4: I just want to get it because again, and we

894
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 4: talked Bears a little bit, but you know, our guy

895
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: Evan was telling us the Bears and Pittsburgh they don't

896
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 4: play a single divisional game until week eleven?

897
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: Like, what is your view on that? Is that is

898
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: that beneficiary too?

899
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: I mean again, you guys, I mean Jayed talk about

900
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: I think you guys.

901
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: Have one of the harder division of football.

902
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 4: I don't know if you agree where you talked a

903
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: little bit about there with Minnesota, Jordan Love up and

904
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: coming already know Destroit's incredible.

905
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: What is with that, like Pittsburgh and Bears.

906
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: Is that advantage for these two teams that have new

907
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that they don't play divisional games until week eleven?

908
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 6: That's crazy if it's an advantage or a disadvantage, because

909
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 6: I think that there are other teams. The Vikings are

910
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 6: going to be a different team after Halloween than they're

911
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 6: going to be before Halloween, and I do think that.

912
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 6: You know, we've seen teams really hit their stride at

913
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 6: different points in the year. You know, the Lions, their offense,

914
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 6: you can set your watch to it. But the defense,

915
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 6: they've thrown out different sort of strategies. They've had different

916
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 6: identities throughout the season. So I would want to play

917
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 6: better teams I think. I think earlier in the year

918
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 6: before they can crystallize a little bit that's based on nothing,

919
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 6: but if there might be no information that backs that

920
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 6: up whatsoever. But I just hear certain personnel people and

921
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 6: coaches that have over the years have just said to me,

922
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 6: you're not the team you're gonna be until Thanksgiving. You're

923
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 6: not the team you're gonna be til Thanksgiving. That's just

924
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 6: hard for me to get out of my mind as

925
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 6: I'm thinking about the league more anecdotally. But I'm sure

926
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 6: in the end it doesn't really matter. You know, it's

927
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 6: more just a quirk of it than anything else. But

928
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 6: if your season takes a turn for the worst or

929
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 6: you haven't found yourself and these other teams kind of

930
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 6: settle into who they're going to be in the back

931
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 6: half of the year.

932
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 5: Having to go.

933
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 6: Through that brutal division slate all at once in that

934
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 6: stretch of the calendar. I mean that doesn't sound fun.

935
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, And as someone that also has you know, a

936
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 4: decent amount of listeners during the NFL season, I love

937
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: to hear review on you know, what it's like to

938
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 4: have like a huge popular show during the NFL season?

939
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: What positives you like about it? Were the negatives of it? Like?

940
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: I mean, as someone that we do this, I can

941
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: tell you I can't even go.

942
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: I can't even when we win.

943
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: I don't like reading people's comments because it's like you

944
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: don't want them blowing smoke, right, and then you also

945
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: don't want to be someone telling you you're like the

946
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: worst person in the world. So I would love to

947
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 4: review what to like have such a huge show during

948
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: the season.

949
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 5: Oh how huge the show is? I appreciate you guys

950
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 5: framing it that way, but.

951
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: If I know it's gotta be a semi big I uh.

952
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 6: The first thing I would say is the number one

953
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 6: emotion that I feel about all of this all the

954
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 6: time is gratitude. I feel so insanely lucky to have

955
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 6: a consistent audience and to have built an audience of

956
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 6: any size because I don't think I'm special.

957
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 5: I don't think I'm.

958
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 6: More talented or more entertaining, or more knowledgeable than anybody

959
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 6: that tries to do this. So the fact that I've

960
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 6: been able to or we've been able to carve out

961
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 6: even a small set of people who are going to

962
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 6: listen to the show is still insane to me, and

963
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 6: I'll take it every single time. On the other side

964
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 6: of it, I think the only real thing that I

965
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 6: think about in season compared to out of season is

966
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 6: it's frustrating sometimes feeling like you're on the hamster wheel

967
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 6: a little bit, where you are almost kind of you're

968
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 6: constantly reacting to and then predicting what's going to happen

969
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 6: in the next week. And the NFL schedule in the

970
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 6: NFL season is so unique in that way, and college

971
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 6: football's like this too, where there are so few games

972
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 6: that you're almost you're tied to the schedule in a

973
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 6: way that you're not with some of these other sports.

974
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 6: Right Like if you're talking about the NBA or baseball,

975
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 6: every game, the sky isn't falling or a team isn't

976
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 6: the greatest thing that's ever happened. So I think that

977
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 6: you can kind of ride with the narratives, and they're

978
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 6: a little bit slower developing than they are in the NFL,

979
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 6: where if you have three good games in a row

980
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 6: and then you're Dak Prescott and you throw three picks

981
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 6: and that week I'm talking about how good Dak Prescott is,

982
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 6: there's going to be a very loud subsect to people

983
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 6: on the internet who are like, what are you talking about?

984
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 6: He played the garbage last week, and it's like, well, guys,

985
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 6: there's more than four games, like yeah, and then there's

986
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 6: let's take a step back here and think about this

987
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 6: more holistically. So that's the only thing that I think

988
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 6: is a little bit frustrating is that it's really really

989
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 6: hard to not cover the league with those sort of

990
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 6: vacillations and over the first month of the year. I mean,

991
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 6: I'm sure you know this and you feel this. It's

992
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 6: hard to talk about the NFL for the first four

993
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 6: weeks of the year because you have no idea what's

994
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 6: real and what's not. So you watch something happen in

995
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 6: week one and you think, oh man, this team is great,

996
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 6: and then three weeks later you're like, I can't believe

997
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 6: I said that. I hope that they burn the tapes

998
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 6: of me saying that. So it's just a different sort

999
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 6: of beast when it comes to the way the season unfolds,

1000
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 6: the way the season plays out, because the games are

1001
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 6: just different than they are in other sports.

1002
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,680
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