Speaker 1: Hi everybody. I'm Nicole Pasla. I play Isabel Coats on
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl and we are Rotchery The X Files. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: listeners to your one and only source into all things
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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, this is Jessica's or and welcome to XO
Speaker 1: x out. I'm back this week with another Gossip Girl
Speaker 1: we watch of season two, episode four The X Files.
Speaker 1: The gang returns from summer vacation and starts another year
Speaker 1: at Constance Billard and St Jude Dan dates the new
Speaker 1: Girl after breaking up with Serena, Chuck tips off Gossip
Speaker 1: Girl and the story of Catherine and Marcus continues. I
Speaker 1: have to tell you this is a drama packed episode,
Speaker 1: which of course means that Blair and her minions must
Speaker 1: be involved. Fortunately, I actually have one them joining me today,
Speaker 1: Nicole Fecela, also known as Isabel Coats. This is a
Speaker 1: big episode for is so I feel very lucky to
Speaker 1: have Nicole here to dive into these storylines and remember
Speaker 1: our favorite behind the scene memories. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: What's up, girl? He girl ahead, your hair looks great.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I was just thinking the same thing
Speaker 1: about your hair. Thank you. I cut it all off.
Speaker 1: I was seeing so many of your Instagram stories with
Speaker 1: like your short hair, and I'm like, yeah, it's time.
Speaker 1: It's real cute that length and those curls. See I
Speaker 1: just got a fresh blowout. But if I wash my hair,
Speaker 1: it's like curly like that like it, I know, but
Speaker 1: I feel like the short curls is like kind of
Speaker 1: what I needed right now. No, it's a really great looks.
Speaker 1: Good to see you too, Okay, So I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to have you back. It's a very it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a different run here because we're really breaking down
Speaker 1: the scenes and what was going on, and obviously you're
Speaker 1: very heavy in this episode, and there's like some funny
Speaker 1: questions I have to ask and get into it. But
Speaker 1: for everyone, this is Nicole again coming back because we
Speaker 1: had so much fun, so many laughs. So many people
Speaker 1: wrote in message d M to all the platforms about
Speaker 1: how much fun and how much they just loved your personality,
Speaker 1: and obviously are so many people like love you on
Speaker 1: the show and favorite minion and character, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's awesome. I love it and we have so much
Speaker 1: fun kind of walking down memory lane and reminiscing, but
Speaker 1: she's here to watch The X Files, and The X
Speaker 1: Files is based on the nineties sci fi drama The
Speaker 1: X Files starring David Dicoviny and Jillian Anderson, which I
Speaker 1: actually have never seen, so maybe that's something I go
Speaker 1: back to. So anyways, that's what we're rewatching. Here's where
Speaker 1: we left off, Nicole. We're just gonna jump in you
Speaker 1: ready and ready. Alright, So here's where we left off.
Speaker 1: Eleanor rehired, Jenny, Dan and Serena broke up again after
Speaker 1: being stuck in an elevator together for hours and talking
Speaker 1: out their relationship. Blair accidentally hooked up with Chuck instead
Speaker 1: of Marcus during the blackout, but accident. I do that
Speaker 1: all the time. I accidentally hooked up. Vanessa told Nate
Speaker 1: she's out for good after talking with Catherine. Oh and
Speaker 1: it's the first day of school. So that's where we
Speaker 1: left off. And here's the log line for this episode.
Speaker 1: Vanessa discovers a scandalous secret about Katherine and enlist Blair's
Speaker 1: scheming expertise to use the information to help Nate. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Lily finds herself drawn back to her ex Rufus once again,
Speaker 1: Dan and Serena face off in light of their breakup. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's a lot going on, and just in the
Speaker 1: last episode, I'm kind of just to the point with
Speaker 1: Dan and Serena where I'm like figure it out because
Speaker 1: it's just we're having the same conversation and I like
Speaker 1: them together. I think they bring something cute. But I
Speaker 1: also feel like Dan's kind of just like, Okay, there's
Speaker 1: always something that happened Serena with them, I'm like, figure
Speaker 1: it out. So Dan and Serena break up. Do you
Speaker 1: remember in high school, if you break up, you see
Speaker 1: them within the next forty eight hours at the longest. Oh,
Speaker 1: how awkward and weird is that? That's so weird. I
Speaker 1: wasn't really like doing that much in high school. I
Speaker 1: was a little more like kind of nerdy and I
Speaker 1: was like into like musical theater and stuff. So like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I wasn't really doing that so much,
Speaker 1: but I do remember the drama around those people that
Speaker 1: were and I was like, oh, girl, were just like
Speaker 1: don't want to see the person and there's no way
Speaker 1: around it. Like you break up after high school and
Speaker 1: you know you you may never see the person again.
Speaker 1: That's probably unlikely if you live in the same town
Speaker 1: or city and circle of friends. But like in high school,
Speaker 1: you're seeing that person very soon. Yeah, and it's usually
Speaker 1: like a devastating break you know, like you don't so
Speaker 1: when they're not wanting to see each other and he's
Speaker 1: like over by Jenny's locker, I'm like, you're trying to
Speaker 1: run into even though you don't want to see You're
Speaker 1: like trying the whole time. They were like totally trying
Speaker 1: to they like, I kind of really want to see you,
Speaker 1: but I'm not supposed to want to. I just I
Speaker 1: just remember I went through that, and it's just not
Speaker 1: not fun when it's like, yeah, just not fun because
Speaker 1: you're just like you're kind of hurting or maybe they're
Speaker 1: hurting a little bit more and you don't want to
Speaker 1: and it's like the anticipation. Yeah, And I think at
Speaker 1: that age, to you like like what is a breakup? Really?
Speaker 1: Like you don't even really know, right, like or really
Speaker 1: what love is? Well, yeah, of course, like any of that,
Speaker 1: it's all like infatuation, right And like I just think
Speaker 1: I just think you don't even really know what to
Speaker 1: break up in tails at that point, does that mean like,
Speaker 1: should we still try to be friends? Should we not
Speaker 1: be friends? What does that even mean? To be friends? Like? Right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like what is it? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, what is really even a relationship at that age?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I mean you know, like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? I mean like now these kids, we
Speaker 1: know what they were doing? These kids the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these kids a different story. These there's are living, are
Speaker 1: living like full on adults and like going going out
Speaker 1: to like the hot bars of the hot clubs and
Speaker 1: like having drinks and meeting new people, which is hilariously
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. But okay, so that like that
Speaker 1: whole situation now when they're like, let's be friends and
Speaker 1: then they the three of them go to st K,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? Are you someone that
Speaker 1: thinks like it's fine to be friends with Xes? You
Speaker 1: are friends with Xes? It's weird everyone's kind of That
Speaker 1: whole situation was probably the dumbast I've ever heard. Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to dinner with you, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to dinner with you and you're not new girlfriend,
Speaker 1: because like they weren't really together. They we broke up
Speaker 1: thirty six hours ago. Yeah exactly. I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that did not seem like a good idea, Like she
Speaker 1: should have been at home eating ice cream with her
Speaker 1: mom and watching a movie so that Lily wasn't going
Speaker 1: to hang out with Rufus. That's what they should have
Speaker 1: been doing. She should have been saving her mom. Her
Speaker 1: mom would be saving her like and like, you know,
Speaker 1: commiserating together even though you know she's right, and also
Speaker 1: kind of staying in your lane even though maybe that's
Speaker 1: not like meaning, like with the Amanda and Dan thing,
Speaker 1: because if I were in dan shoes, I'm going to
Speaker 1: Amanda and saying, hey, since this is our first date,
Speaker 1: would you mind if my ex girlfriend came with us? Right?
Speaker 1: Or Hi, this is our first date. Would you mind
Speaker 1: if we don't go to St K because I like
Speaker 1: to read books in the library, like Serena, do you
Speaker 1: mind not coming with us because this is our first date? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: There are lives, if there are a lot of different
Speaker 1: ways it could have gone, and it's a general matter.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I'm just trying to think
Speaker 1: of my friends with any of my exes, Like no,
Speaker 1: not really. I was always someone that at one point
Speaker 1: at a certain point after the relationship ended up being
Speaker 1: friends with my exes, like to this day, there's like
Speaker 1: maybe one or two that I'm not um. But everyone's different,
Speaker 1: Like you know, like doesn't always have to end and
Speaker 1: be done forever, because sometimes you build a beautiful, great
Speaker 1: thing with someone but romantically it just doesn't work out.
Speaker 1: But that also doesn't mean you need to be like
Speaker 1: homies and like all the things either, Yeah, exactly. I
Speaker 1: mean I guess for me it's always been a little
Speaker 1: bit different because well, first of all, I'm horrible keeping
Speaker 1: in touch. But I mean for me with like any excess,
Speaker 1: I honestly I really I really kept in touch. I
Speaker 1: think that, like, as I said, I'm not very good
Speaker 1: at keeping in touch. But then also to like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of kind of cold. I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of like bye bye, but yeah we're dad, We're
Speaker 1: good here. I'm just like, yeah, done, see you later.
Speaker 1: Moving on to the opening of this episode, which is
Speaker 1: Jenny talking with Rufus and Dan at the Humphrey Loft,
Speaker 1: and she's like very scared to come to school because
Speaker 1: of what your character and your group of friends make
Speaker 1: someone like feel, which is like so, which is like
Speaker 1: so serious. I mean, by the way, when I went
Speaker 1: back and I watched this, I was like, dang you
Speaker 1: we're so me I know. And then and again like
Speaker 1: we're breaking out an episode that we know we're all
Speaker 1: acting and doing this, but we should all take something
Speaker 1: from these things anyone listening. But also like there's always
Speaker 1: a lesson to be learned. But when I'm watching this back, like,
Speaker 1: can you imagine our daughters when they'd be like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to go to school because Blair and her
Speaker 1: group of friends like has this whole like plan and
Speaker 1: schedule and thing to like either ruined people or accept
Speaker 1: them or do this. I'd be like, where's Blair live?
Speaker 1: I know, I'd be like, Mama, Mama, Bear's coming out,
Speaker 1: Mama will go talk to some Blairs. Listen, girl facts
Speaker 1: girl exactly, Like totally. I mean, my daughter, you know,
Speaker 1: she's gonna be ten, right, so she's like getting to that,
Speaker 1: she's getting closer, right, But she's I mean, she's the sweetest,
Speaker 1: and she kind of like doesn't really pick up on
Speaker 1: those things, and like generally everybody's pretty nice at this
Speaker 1: point right now. But I mean that's a huge fear
Speaker 1: of mine, right it's like girl groups that come and
Speaker 1: you don't really hear this stuff happening with the boys.
Speaker 1: And I do feel like, you know, I run on
Speaker 1: emotion as much as I can be easy, go with
Speaker 1: the flow, like if something comes up or bothers me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, can be like sensitive to something,
Speaker 1: I do feel like, yeah, I don't know. So I
Speaker 1: just like felt for Jenny and Rufus as the dad.
Speaker 1: It's not like she has a mother there, just that
Speaker 1: for a second, I'm like, he's just got to tell
Speaker 1: her just to go and be tough and and do that.
Speaker 1: But can like the feeling of like I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: go to school that should be a safe place where
Speaker 1: I learned, and yet I have to feel like so
Speaker 1: weird walking out in the halls or have to feel
Speaker 1: like if I can be accepted. It's just like a
Speaker 1: really crazy thing, and it's an everyday thing that happens
Speaker 1: to all people all over. That's why it's such a
Speaker 1: big thing on the Internet and all these places with
Speaker 1: the anti bullying or accepting people for who they are
Speaker 1: and not being clicky. Yeah, and it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: a hundred times worse now with all the social media.
Speaker 1: That's the part that's like really really tough too, you know,
Speaker 1: because like the show I mean was so good about
Speaker 1: showing just the beginning stages of that. Now we're so
Speaker 1: many years later, and it's just like it's a lot worse.
Speaker 1: Like I'm happy, I'm like happy I don't have a
Speaker 1: high schooler right now, but I know that I'm getting there.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, yeah, what's gonna happen. But at least,
Speaker 1: like we you know, whether it's gone through it with
Speaker 1: people or with friends or being on a show that
Speaker 1: touches on it, so it makes us think about it
Speaker 1: a little bit more than normal, you know what I mean. Anyways,
Speaker 1: that happens, and I'm like, oh, poor Jenny to have
Speaker 1: to feel that way when you're going to a safe place.
Speaker 1: But it's part of the puzzle sometimes. And then when
Speaker 1: she gets there, there's a scene where you guys are
Speaker 1: walking down down the hall and I wanted I cannot
Speaker 1: remember for the life of me, and I should I
Speaker 1: know at one point, but I don't know if this
Speaker 1: was my first job that had this. But when cell
Speaker 1: phones ring on a set or ring in your scene,
Speaker 1: like if Is is picking up her phone we're not
Speaker 1: obviously picking it up and talking to the other character
Speaker 1: on the other line. And I realized that people that
Speaker 1: watch the show or listening to this podcast probably don't
Speaker 1: really know that because it dawned at me. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh. A lot of times, like you guys are
Speaker 1: all walking down the hall, you blare Penelope, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the noise happens. You guys know, you
Speaker 1: get an alert, so you all stop and you all
Speaker 1: flip your phones up. It was like, so cute you
Speaker 1: guys all did, even though I'm like, oh, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be like me in a second. But let's first of all,
Speaker 1: let me ask about that. You guys obviously all had
Speaker 1: to rehearse doing that, right, like, hey, your mark here,
Speaker 1: answer after the A D yells beat three beats, then
Speaker 1: flip the phone. Yeah, right, Is it something that? Was
Speaker 1: it something like that? It was? It was something like that,
Speaker 1: And I don't remember there even being like a sound
Speaker 1: or anything. It was just kind of just like you
Speaker 1: need to count in your head, you need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to what's going on around you, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's not like it's not like all like it's not
Speaker 1: like the whole set is hearing like a ding you like,
Speaker 1: it's nothing like that, right, So it's like the timing
Speaker 1: is everything, and not to mention, just like it's the timing.
Speaker 1: It's what makes seems like that I think goes so well.
Speaker 1: It's like when especially with the Minions, right, it's like
Speaker 1: it all happens at once, like we flip our phone
Speaker 1: at the same time. I mean, that's the charming part
Speaker 1: of watching. It's like the comedy of it, the whole
Speaker 1: thing of it. It's like, oh my gosh, they walk
Speaker 1: the same way, they all stopped the same way, they
Speaker 1: flipped their phone. But when you watch it as like
Speaker 1: I'm as like I'm sitting here watching it for entertainment,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like that was like crazy. And then
Speaker 1: as an actor, I'm like, wait, they definitely had to
Speaker 1: rehearse it. They definitely had a countdown. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, we definitely had all of that stuff. And
Speaker 1: then of course you know hitting your mark too, like
Speaker 1: you have to make sure because you're like walking, you
Speaker 1: also have to like, okay, if the phone thing is
Speaker 1: going to happen, then you also have to pay attention
Speaker 1: to like gotta you gotta make sure that everything is right,
Speaker 1: and then also like you have to make it to
Speaker 1: your market. If you're like off of your mark, even
Speaker 1: just a little bit, then they can't see, like the
Speaker 1: camera won't be able to pick up on all the
Speaker 1: little things that's that's supposed to be in the scene, right,
Speaker 1: And there's focus on the camera, so it's like camera
Speaker 1: A is getting is in Penelope and it's a cowboy shot,
Speaker 1: so it's above the ways, so the phone has to
Speaker 1: be and then you can't just have the phone about
Speaker 1: the ways. It's going to be tilted a certain way
Speaker 1: so that the light angle hits the back of the phone,
Speaker 1: flip phone. Mean, when I was watching, I'm like that,
Speaker 1: I like, I forget that people that sit at home
Speaker 1: and watch shows for entertainment like don't know the little
Speaker 1: detail of that five seconds scene or not even that
Speaker 1: was five seconds of the scene. That wasn't even the
Speaker 1: most scene. I just remember those times where we would
Speaker 1: have like more of like the big the bigger cast
Speaker 1: ones right where it's like it's going back, you know
Speaker 1: that we're getting a big circle group and we're get
Speaker 1: right the circle. It's like okay, here from the face
Speaker 1: off and it's the circle and it's like this camera,
Speaker 1: there's like four cameras, right, and like everyone's picking up
Speaker 1: other things. I mean, those shots would take the entire
Speaker 1: day and then sometimes three days, I know, and it's
Speaker 1: just like and you don't see that, and then it
Speaker 1: gets cut down to like, you know, three or four
Speaker 1: minutes of the show and you're just like, and we
Speaker 1: spent the entire day doing that stuff. Yes, And then
Speaker 1: also interesting thing is is then when you know you
Speaker 1: you're shooting you know, a big circle scene like that,
Speaker 1: like that goes into a couple of days. It's continuity.
Speaker 1: So you have to go back and have your hair
Speaker 1: exactly tucked behind your hair, hair exactly the way, so
Speaker 1: you have like here and makeup with their like books
Speaker 1: out and all the pictures an example. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just so much that goes into it because you have
Speaker 1: to make it look great for everyone sitting at home
Speaker 1: so that you guys enjoy it as much as like
Speaker 1: you you do exactly, and it's believable. And that's the
Speaker 1: funny thing about the continuity actually, because I actually I
Speaker 1: had a modeling job up in Veil a few months
Speaker 1: ago and um, one of the hair and makeup people
Speaker 1: he does the hair and makeup on the new Gossip Girl,
Speaker 1: and he's like, wait a minute, I look at pictures
Speaker 1: of you all the time because they still have that, Jeff,
Speaker 1: they still have our continuity photosting on the new one,
Speaker 1: like years later. I thought that was so cool. And
Speaker 1: you know what, I probably should not talk on a
Speaker 1: turn because I have no idea, but it's probably to
Speaker 1: make sure that either something similar or not at all
Speaker 1: alike of how we wore things or did things. It's
Speaker 1: obviously for for some, I mean that's wild and nuts.
Speaker 1: But I just remember watching that scene and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Now this is what I couldn't remember
Speaker 1: because is there's so many times we all have conversations
Speaker 1: on it, not just the texting. And then also when
Speaker 1: you we had to do the camera angles of seeing
Speaker 1: the text from Gossip Girl or the text from someone,
Speaker 1: you would have to sometimes have your hand or elbow
Speaker 1: on a stand, your hands lit, the camera's lit, and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, all right, Jessica, turn your hand a
Speaker 1: little bit to the right, tilt the phone back. And
Speaker 1: I remember when we had to do the inserts of
Speaker 1: the phone, I'd be like, oh, we're gonna be here
Speaker 1: for like three hours to get a text from like
Speaker 1: gossip a blast from Gossip Girl that says, lonely boy,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here for three hours because it's well
Speaker 1: And then if you don't even see it on the phone,
Speaker 1: they actually do it and post at at all. The writing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a it's just nuts because we
Speaker 1: haven't touched on this at all, and the phones are
Speaker 1: so so important in all these scenes, so anyways that
Speaker 1: I felt it was like something we needed to touch on.
Speaker 1: But when you had like the headphones like you do
Speaker 1: now and you, Penelope are walking past Jenny and it's
Speaker 1: like terrifying watching them, like what are they gonna say
Speaker 1: or do? And you just walk past you Guys don't
Speaker 1: even like knowledge her. Um, you don't have anything on
Speaker 1: in your headphones? No of course not no, no no.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like what would is listen to if
Speaker 1: she was? I mean it would probably be like a
Speaker 1: pop hip hop kind of thing going on. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's hip poppy hip hop, you know, mainstream, definitely
Speaker 1: very mainstream. Top twenty, yeah, like top top twenty. But
Speaker 1: then like thinking, but like thinking that she's really cool
Speaker 1: and she has like some sort of like underground kind
Speaker 1: of feel, but like it just like pop. I love that,
Speaker 1: Like what do you think that these two are listening
Speaker 1: to walking by um and then one other thing with
Speaker 1: like the scenes when you all first walked up to Amanda.
Speaker 1: I meant to ask this earlier and Blair drops her
Speaker 1: like stick, it was a hockey stick on her foot?
Speaker 1: How many times times did you guys have to do?
Speaker 1: Like I know you're not going to remember, Oh, Jesse
Speaker 1: was four times, but like there's not a chance that
Speaker 1: that stick just went and dropped on her foot on
Speaker 1: every angle, on every camera like it did. I do
Speaker 1: not I do not recall. I do not recall, but
Speaker 1: I do remember doing that little walk into place several times.
Speaker 1: Like well when you when when you watch it though,
Speaker 1: it's so like in sync and like it was almost
Speaker 1: like it was like one to three, one to three.
Speaker 1: Then you hear the wing and here's what I remember.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think on Gospel, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was that this season. Sometimes when you would hear
Speaker 1: like my phone would be in Vanessa's phone would be
Speaker 1: in her purse at times A lot of times where
Speaker 1: else is phone? And I remember like the A D
Speaker 1: would be like and ding ding ning ning ning, So
Speaker 1: give me like the time to process. Okay, my phone's
Speaker 1: ringing on, let me put my coffee here, let me
Speaker 1: open my purse, and then yeah, then you fake the call.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I think if I was lone in a scene,
Speaker 1: they could actually buzz and ring it and the A
Speaker 1: D would read Nate's lines or Dan's lines or whatever,
Speaker 1: which was awesome because then you could hear it right
Speaker 1: in your ear. But if they didn't, they would read
Speaker 1: the lines offset, so it wouldn't be it would be
Speaker 1: like just out loud where everyone could hear it. But
Speaker 1: I remember that one of the times, I'm like, how
Speaker 1: do you how do you do this? So do I
Speaker 1: remember both parts of the dialogue playoff myself? I always
Speaker 1: thought that was a crazy thing because I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I always figured two which is not the case that
Speaker 1: if you're let's say you're supposed to be reading something
Speaker 1: off of a piece of paper or like off of
Speaker 1: your phone or something, you know, something like that, reading
Speaker 1: a text message or whatever. I always just like, before
Speaker 1: I got into acting, I was just like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: obviously all the text is there and reading it, No,
Speaker 1: you actually still have to have it all memorized, all rememberized,
Speaker 1: like all those little like you know, when and even
Speaker 1: when someone else is not in the scene and you're
Speaker 1: like not looking at it or whatever, I mean, like
Speaker 1: you still have to have all memorized. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: it's a lot. So I'm just like, why wouldn't why
Speaker 1: wouldn't they just allow us to like cheat a little
Speaker 1: bit and just like for this, just like read it
Speaker 1: off the nope, and that it would be like literally
Speaker 1: a piece of people that has like scribble all over it,
Speaker 1: not even the script, not the script scribble scribble scribble,
Speaker 1: scribe of scribble, and then you have to just say
Speaker 1: your lines, right, just memorize everything. Yeah, just memorize everything.
Speaker 1: That's what it is, memorized, all of it. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And you're you're like hair looks in the scene with
Speaker 1: the side pony and the like down they were really
Speaker 1: cute looks. Girl, I know, girl on the hockey the
Speaker 1: field hockey look was my favorite one. People always ask me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love that. And so when I
Speaker 1: rewatched this, I was like, I forgot that the field
Speaker 1: hockey look was in this one. I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: felt like I was rocking that one I felt like
Speaker 1: I was like it was the scene I was really
Speaker 1: feeling you totally were and fave. I know, it was
Speaker 1: my favorite one. I loved it. But I'm also kind
Speaker 1: of like athletic, and I like, you know, I like
Speaker 1: the modified athletic look that it happen. Ye neified, but
Speaker 1: it was really work out in that, you know. But
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, how were you ever like with changeovers
Speaker 1: with with your hair, because we have some I don't
Speaker 1: we always go back to this, but like sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, if my hair has to be straight
Speaker 1: and then curly or curly then straight, like I hope
Speaker 1: they know that this is going to take a lot
Speaker 1: longer because I know my hair can go curly very fast,
Speaker 1: but then it has a wet look to it, which
Speaker 1: if it's continuity wise, like you can't do that right,
Speaker 1: So then they would have to they would have to
Speaker 1: like get it dry and then also they going back
Speaker 1: and they like touch up all the curls, like make
Speaker 1: a more ringlity, right right. I feel like they would
Speaker 1: always do that with my hair. Yeah, your hair always
Speaker 1: looked amazing. I mean it does right now too. But
Speaker 1: here's the funny thing. There's like someone on set that
Speaker 1: has to literally put all of that into the schedule, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Nicole is going to do Seen one, four and five
Speaker 1: at s t K and then after lunch we have
Speaker 1: to put her in touch ups, but she's going to
Speaker 1: need forty five minutes for hair and then like someone
Speaker 1: having to break that down gives me anxiety, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's just way too much stuff going on. Certain people
Speaker 1: in the world that can do that stuff really really well.
Speaker 1: I mean they did on the show they were dying.
Speaker 1: We were never like even if it's always sit and
Speaker 1: weight on every set, so it's never like on any
Speaker 1: set someone is doing something wrong. That's just the way
Speaker 1: it is, because I think everyone wants to have a
Speaker 1: little cushion to make sure, Okay, this person is ready
Speaker 1: to go exactly. Yeah. I just like I was looking
Speaker 1: at all the different looks. I'm like, all that had
Speaker 1: to be a big changeover. That had to be and
Speaker 1: totally and you know, I would also like, i mean
Speaker 1: most of the time they had an idea, but they
Speaker 1: were just like, you want your hair curly. A lot
Speaker 1: of times they would ask me, do you want your
Speaker 1: like curlier straight? This episode? And I'd be like, let
Speaker 1: me see, am I going out to tend you an
Speaker 1: st tonight? I'll go straight, I'll go straight, I'll go straight.
Speaker 1: So you're that that look of the like modest athletic
Speaker 1: was your favorite? What what do you what was the fun?
Speaker 1: This is a fan question. I'm just looking right now.
Speaker 1: What was the best part about being in Blair's posse?
Speaker 1: You know? Honestly, I mean and and for this like
Speaker 1: answer this obviously how you want, but then I want
Speaker 1: to go back and to be like at four is
Speaker 1: and then as an actor because for us, yeah, like Jess,
Speaker 1: I got it. Don't got to answer my question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna say as um as an
Speaker 1: as is. I think it was just it was just
Speaker 1: plain fun, right Like I got to just go out
Speaker 1: there and just be like bitch and it was great.
Speaker 1: You're like I can do this and I can't get
Speaker 1: in trouble, so right exactly, I'm like, I'm doing this
Speaker 1: echo what I'm supposed to do here, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the looks. I I really focused on this
Speaker 1: one in this episode because I don't watch myself very often,
Speaker 1: and so I was watching myself and I'm just like
Speaker 1: all of those looks. I still kind of have those looks,
Speaker 1: like I still make those same kind of like look sometimes,
Speaker 1: and my oldest daughter has those looks too, like, So
Speaker 1: that part was just it was that part was just fun, right,
Speaker 1: I mean I loved I love the fact that we were,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of matching all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: trying these different fashions. I love that it was like
Speaker 1: kind of a caricature, right. I thought that that part
Speaker 1: was really fun. Another part was really fun. And then
Speaker 1: as just me, honestly, I I loved working with Layton
Speaker 1: and Amanda, I mean, especially in this episode. I mean
Speaker 1: the I find them both to be like such talented
Speaker 1: actors and for me, because I felt like I was
Speaker 1: like a little bit I didn't have as much experience
Speaker 1: as either of them, right, so I just felt like
Speaker 1: I was always learning something um and that that part
Speaker 1: was really important to me. Like I always just felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, I could bounce things off of both of
Speaker 1: the you know, both of them, and we just worked
Speaker 1: together well in that way. I felt like you guys,
Speaker 1: did you guys were like seemlit like it just seemed
Speaker 1: like everything flowed, even when like on the stairs, when
Speaker 1: it was you when she says the Mets under construction
Speaker 1: and the earlier in the episode and Amanda sitting there
Speaker 1: and you guys are all it's like Blair says something
Speaker 1: that is and then Penelope all to Amanda about like,
Speaker 1: well that's what friends do and that's what friends and
Speaker 1: Serena dated like you guys didn't get like it was
Speaker 1: It felt like you had all been on a TV
Speaker 1: show together for ten years. This was season two. That's
Speaker 1: end season two, maybe not not every episode together, So
Speaker 1: that was probably half of what it was. You guys
Speaker 1: had a real good chemistry and a flow. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: we totally had a chemistry to flow. So we like
Speaker 1: knew each other. But we were also like clothes off
Speaker 1: of you know, off camera we were we were all closed.
Speaker 1: We were all hanging out, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: that that really I think that that for us, it
Speaker 1: really helped, right, It really helped kind of like build
Speaker 1: that camaraderie in that chemistry. Yeah. Sure, we always have
Speaker 1: rehearsal before you go, before the scene to get the marks.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, it would always be let's run it
Speaker 1: for words, like then we would say it out louder.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the or about like, let's do it for words. Okay,
Speaker 1: everyone you know did this scene, we did our lines,
Speaker 1: and then let's do it for marketing, and then let's
Speaker 1: really do it to get a feel of like what's
Speaker 1: going on. And then and first you do we did
Speaker 1: rehearsals were not everyone was there, not everyone from the department,
Speaker 1: just the department heads would come so it's not so crowded.
Speaker 1: And then another rehearsals where everyone from that department comes in.
Speaker 1: So then it's like all the people from the camera
Speaker 1: department and all the people from hair makeup, and all
Speaker 1: the people from every single department. When I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to miss one, every department is as as important as
Speaker 1: the next. But then all of a sudden, it's a
Speaker 1: rehearsal from like it goes just the cast and the
Speaker 1: director to you know, twenty people with the cast, and
Speaker 1: then like a d fifty. Yeah, I don't remember it
Speaker 1: being like that on Gossip Girl. I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe on very small sets it was that
Speaker 1: way there. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think also too,
Speaker 1: because I didn't work with you that month, you know,
Speaker 1: like we became instant, We just became instant chumps. Well,
Speaker 1: we did really hit it off right away outside of
Speaker 1: obviously our characters, but we don't. When I'm looking back, Nicole,
Speaker 1: we really don't have that many scenes together. We don't
Speaker 1: have that many our friendships is in life or the
Speaker 1: way we are. I would go back and think, like
Speaker 1: we were on the show like all the time together,
Speaker 1: like it would be like my Dan. I would think, right, totally, totally,
Speaker 1: but like I do remember, I do remember, um, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd be waiting in someone's trailer or whatever, someone's room,
Speaker 1: and we would you know, just kind of run it
Speaker 1: a little bit, but not not a ton. A lot
Speaker 1: of times you're just kind of hanging out, you know, chatting.
Speaker 1: And I was also still working on my master's so
Speaker 1: I would sometimes just be like, all right, guys, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta study. I gotta go do like real studying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta study you guys a little bit.
Speaker 1: I gotta test. Yeah. Rehearsals, Like I always like to rehearsal,
Speaker 1: to hear it out loud, because sometimes you you know,
Speaker 1: you read the script, you break it down, and then
Speaker 1: your home running your lines for you know, that next
Speaker 1: week or that next day. So I always liked hearing
Speaker 1: like how everyone would do it, but I would. I
Speaker 1: thought when you were all sitting down the stairs, the
Speaker 1: way you all bounced off each other talking to Amanda
Speaker 1: was so quick, and like, I'm just like, these these
Speaker 1: girls are so good together, like you couldn't. No one
Speaker 1: else could have done it the way you guys didn't,
Speaker 1: and it's so rad like loved. Yeah, we had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun, right, Okay, So then we cut to
Speaker 1: Vanessa at some point going and this whole OMG moment
Speaker 1: on the show where she sees Catherine with the Lord.
Speaker 1: I mean, poor Vanessa. I mean, she's just caught in
Speaker 1: the middle. She's just like Shet in this thing, which
Speaker 1: is really major, Like she doesn't want to hurt Nate,
Speaker 1: but she's watched something like this, she probably really doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think Vanessa really wants to hurt Blair, but
Speaker 1: this is information that Blair is gonna like off on
Speaker 1: or about. So I mean when she when that happened again,
Speaker 1: it was just one of those moments where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I did not expect that at all or remember that,
Speaker 1: like when I watched it, I'm like it was me
Speaker 1: that knew that first. And then we have Okay, so
Speaker 1: Vanessa when she finds this out. Here's here's where like
Speaker 1: I feel like Vanessa not being on the like from
Speaker 1: the Upper east Side or in that world, is like
Speaker 1: where this hits a certain way sometimes because here she
Speaker 1: finds out this information, she's trying to handle it the
Speaker 1: best way she can in the sense she does go
Speaker 1: to Dan, which I know that's like maybe don't open
Speaker 1: your mouth, but like she's not trying to like go
Speaker 1: and spread the word or to like do that. She
Speaker 1: she wants to a little guidance, like Dan, what can
Speaker 1: I do? This is a crazy thing that I saw
Speaker 1: and it affects Nate, but it also affects Blair, and
Speaker 1: I'm not she doesn't want to cross Blair. Really, I
Speaker 1: don't think Vanessa really ever wanted to cross Blair. She
Speaker 1: she asked to it, really didn't want anything to do
Speaker 1: with Blair exactly. But here's like what is nuts about
Speaker 1: everyone up on this Upper east Side. Everyone's just kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, we'll bury someone, put some throw someone
Speaker 1: under the bus, do anything to like help put them
Speaker 1: on the next step up or do anything with like
Speaker 1: no shame. And it's like very disturbing at times. And
Speaker 1: I'm watching this I'm like, oh my gosh, someone's like
Speaker 1: two families are very involved. That's why when Vanessa wants
Speaker 1: to take a step back and not really be involved,
Speaker 1: but yet she has information that like it could help
Speaker 1: Nate as well. So it's like, are you going to
Speaker 1: be the good cop and and having to do something
Speaker 1: bad to make the right thing or like so when
Speaker 1: she goes to like try to help the situation, and
Speaker 1: then Blair has it all sorted, which is also like,
Speaker 1: that's why I always love Blair storylines. Yeah, Blair had
Speaker 1: it sort of yeah, I mean she she was just
Speaker 1: like before you could actually even say, before Vanessa could
Speaker 1: even like say the whole thing, Blair, Blair already had
Speaker 1: the plan. She was like, I mean she's got and
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you what the plan is
Speaker 1: just going to go. It's just play. We got it.
Speaker 1: And then she doesn't always have a plan B and
Speaker 1: C that it's like I got a Trump, but she's
Speaker 1: like going to the Duke to pay off the Archibald debt,
Speaker 1: making Catherine leave. I mean, like the things that this
Speaker 1: young student is doing. And here's Vanessa where she's like,
Speaker 1: I just thought it was going to put an end
Speaker 1: to like what was actually wrong? You know? That's it?
Speaker 1: It was real, like simple, even though I'm not very
Speaker 1: twisted and crazy, but Vanessa gets like the short end
Speaker 1: of the stick. And then Nate's mad at her and
Speaker 1: he's like, well where we ever really friends? Speaking of them?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, she actually was not like turned
Speaker 1: it right around and turned him right around, right around.
Speaker 1: I'm mean, what do you think Vanessa should have done
Speaker 1: when she got that the check for five thousand? Do
Speaker 1: you think, because listen, she could use that money? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to be honest with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're asking me, my mom is an immigrant, and
Speaker 1: she's like, if someone gives you money, you take it.
Speaker 1: You take the check. Was like, someone's giving you money,
Speaker 1: you better saying it right, And she literally walked. I'm
Speaker 1: sure she had like a helicopter or something that gets
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn and just hands her the check. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like Vanessa's jump get this and can you use I
Speaker 1: know Vanessa can use that. She could totally use it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know she did the right thing. And like, in
Speaker 1: my mind, I would have done the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: I would have just been like, I'm not taking I'm
Speaker 1: not taking your hush money, right, you know, just like
Speaker 1: that girl, I'm not taking your hush money. But you know,
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, if people want to give you money,
Speaker 1: just take the money. Take the money. You're off. Um okay.
Speaker 1: So in the parallel storyline that's going on is Rufus
Speaker 1: and Lily and they're they're struggling and to have like
Speaker 1: a friendship. Which here's my my thing on that, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, she's married and has kids. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you bring a bottle of wine to go watch
Speaker 1: a movie with someone at that eight? Like I don't know? Um,
Speaker 1: Like no, right, you know, you don't you don't? I mean,
Speaker 1: then FaceTime Bart let him know that you're at the
Speaker 1: Rufus at Rufus Humphries Loft in Brooklyn. And how does
Speaker 1: he feel, yes, exactly or how do you feel about
Speaker 1: Bart Bass going to watching a movie with the bottle
Speaker 1: of wine? That's That's so what someone always also told me,
Speaker 1: like you should always be able to do what you're
Speaker 1: doing with whoever it is, in front of your partner,
Speaker 1: like no matter what, whether it's what you're going out
Speaker 1: with your girlfriends and meeting people out or with your
Speaker 1: guy friends or a group of friends, whatever. It is
Speaker 1: like if you can't and not just do things like
Speaker 1: if you can't act the way you would act if
Speaker 1: your partner was in the room, then probably shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's correct, that's the truth, girl,
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. So I just was like, wait, is
Speaker 1: she bringing a bottle of wine? And like know, and
Speaker 1: She's like we could watch like an old movie. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you don't do that. What would happen if they're just
Speaker 1: watching a movie having wine? And then Dan and Serena
Speaker 1: just come home like that would be a situation okay,
Speaker 1: because it's just like, oh my gosh, entwined? Let me? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just I was like, wait, what are you doing there?
Speaker 1: Are you getting back with him now? And then there
Speaker 1: was like a point where I'm like, well if they
Speaker 1: get back then and then Dan and Serena, that that
Speaker 1: squashes how many times we have to go back and
Speaker 1: forth with them, because then they can't get back together
Speaker 1: if you know, though I feel like in gossip Girl
Speaker 1: world they probably could could you know, this is true girl.
Speaker 1: And then Dan and Amanda. First Dan brings her to
Speaker 1: St Can, which I guess she i mean, I guess
Speaker 1: technically Amanda kind of brought him sort of because he's like,
Speaker 1: it's not his scene, and she's like, who cares, let's
Speaker 1: show it off. Like yeah, she almost kind of had
Speaker 1: it out a little bit for Serena, like like low
Speaker 1: key right, And at this point when you're watching, you're thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: unannounced to everyone or what's going to happen? And because
Speaker 1: I like totally didn't ever see this episode, she's in
Speaker 1: on it with Chuck. So there's like a whole another
Speaker 1: thing there where I'm like, what would Chuck get from this?
Speaker 1: I know, but you know, Chuck thinking ten steps ahead
Speaker 1: of the game because if he, if he gets Serena
Speaker 1: to be queen, then Blair needs Chuck and Chuck wants
Speaker 1: Blair to need him. At this point, I think that's
Speaker 1: what I'm getting from it, right, I guess? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess, so that makes sense. Like she I mean
Speaker 1: like he wants to break up Blair from anybody to write?
Speaker 1: Is that her right? Because which part of it? For sure?
Speaker 1: But in that I feel like his whole thing about
Speaker 1: making sure Serena gets to the top, there's like something
Speaker 1: manipulative and like he's doing that for he doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Really if Serena's the queen Bee doesn't mean you want
Speaker 1: to bring Blair down. That's the thing, because I think
Speaker 1: if he brings Blair down, Blair needs him to bring
Speaker 1: her back up because of the way he works. I
Speaker 1: mean this, this is why I think when I used
Speaker 1: to read the scripts back and I used to think
Speaker 1: he's got to be gossip Girl because he's so intertwined
Speaker 1: in doing all these things, like the ship he pulls
Speaker 1: and like you're like killing three birds with one stone,
Speaker 1: Like with a half of stone, you're killing every bird.
Speaker 1: It's true, his mind is just going going, And like
Speaker 1: by the way that near situation was like oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I mean I can't, I can't. And the fact and
Speaker 1: the fact and the fact that the near teeny it
Speaker 1: was not a new thing. They were like you remember that.
Speaker 1: I'm just like yeah, I mean, it's like it's done.
Speaker 1: This is what we do. This is what we do.
Speaker 1: We go around and we like toss their on people's
Speaker 1: hair at St k at hot clubs in a martini
Speaker 1: and a martini exactly like this has been done before. Okay,
Speaker 1: And and but here's the thing, like is it is
Speaker 1: it Chuck that like puts it together and does that
Speaker 1: or is it is a Penelope or is it black? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean like you mean actually physically you could you
Speaker 1: see chaluk back They were like menting in because sometimes
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like people having other people do
Speaker 1: the dirty work. You know, yeah I could, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Like there was like a documentary I just watched and
Speaker 1: the guy had been stealing money, doing all these things,
Speaker 1: but getting girls to write these checks and send money.
Speaker 1: But he never really got in trouble because he technically
Speaker 1: never stole or did anything, even though he manipulated these people.
Speaker 1: And yes they did sign off and send over. But
Speaker 1: maybe it's just like Blair and Chuck manipulating ever. I
Speaker 1: mean to me, I'm just watching and I'm like, who
Speaker 1: like thought of this and decided to make this the thing?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like which character? Yeah? Also
Speaker 1: which writer? Right? Right? Exactly right? That writer is like okay, no, like,
Speaker 1: but I mean having Chuck and Blair together, I mean
Speaker 1: like they are the most I mean those children scary manulation. Yeah, goodness,
Speaker 1: they would never be able to get over those kids,
Speaker 1: would be impossible for them. Kids are a little bit manipulative. Right,
Speaker 1: those tis would be another level sending their parents had jail. Right.
Speaker 1: But okay, so when you guys were filming, let's go
Speaker 1: back to the STK thing, which when you said this before,
Speaker 1: it's so true. And there's and there's a party scene
Speaker 1: or a group scene or a group like throw down,
Speaker 1: and so almost every episode, every other for sure, and
Speaker 1: those are just so like it's always too At one point,
Speaker 1: I'm like, are we always in a circle and we're
Speaker 1: just like bang bang bang bang bang, going like totally
Speaker 1: going across across across the yep, Um, what for s
Speaker 1: t K? Because I know from eating there a lot,
Speaker 1: because I know we all used to go there and
Speaker 1: eat it and then we hit wasn't ten June right underneath? Yeah, girl,
Speaker 1: we we had our circuit. We were there. We were
Speaker 1: like we're not leaving this building and the exactly and
Speaker 1: like we would go there and then and then the
Speaker 1: next day we were just like, oh we have to
Speaker 1: shoot here today. We were actually three I'm back at
Speaker 1: six he yes, Oh my god. So tell us like,
Speaker 1: when you're filming a scene like that in a in
Speaker 1: a restaurant like that, it's loud. People are loud. They're cheers,
Speaker 1: and there's music. When you're filming, it's completely silent, so
Speaker 1: you have to literally and they do playback a lot.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, playback the song that's on for five seconds,
Speaker 1: and then they'll be like, I'm ready and action. The
Speaker 1: song will stop. Everyone's completely silent, and then it goes
Speaker 1: to just two people talking or three four, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But you feel like, because it's a silent room, your
Speaker 1: instinct as a human would be not to talk louder.
Speaker 1: But as an actor, you have to remember, Okay, the
Speaker 1: music was just this at this level five seconds. This
Speaker 1: is what they're gonna put in in post production, and
Speaker 1: now I have to talk to Penelope standing right next
Speaker 1: to me, like there's really loud music exactly exactly. It's
Speaker 1: just so weird. It's so bizarre because it makes and
Speaker 1: then you hear yourself and you're like, wait, am I
Speaker 1: like doing a good job as an actor even though
Speaker 1: you're literally properly doing it right, And I don't mean you,
Speaker 1: I'm saying in general, right right, right exactly. It's a
Speaker 1: real like art to figure that out though, to figure
Speaker 1: that out exactly because it's like a quiet room. And
Speaker 1: I remember also just like the fact that we were
Speaker 1: in in the during the day. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: just awkward. I was like, what I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: just the whole the whole point of it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like running into your teacher in high school or
Speaker 1: grade school outside of school. Like it's just like a
Speaker 1: feeling that you're like, this shouldn't be happening, Like I
Speaker 1: should be at STK during the day, right exactly. But
Speaker 1: the whole thing is that it might be six seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten am whatever it is, and it's like completely dark.
Speaker 1: You're totally clubbed out, like in your club looks and whatever, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's pretend martinis all around, and it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like that club energy nighttime energy, which
Speaker 1: is like a very montime energy, and it's like seven
Speaker 1: more So that part I felt like it was a
Speaker 1: little bit crazy. But also to um seeing a club
Speaker 1: like with the lights on. I mean the lights were
Speaker 1: kind of a dim the whole time, but like with
Speaker 1: the lights on in a space, you're just like, WHOA
Speaker 1: have I ever been here before? Like yeah, I'd be
Speaker 1: like I don't know if I'm ever coming back here.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just like, um, is that like a cigarette,
Speaker 1: like stuck in there that's like still burn yeah last night.
Speaker 1: It's it's really but yeah, because there's just certain things
Speaker 1: that you should only see at certain times, like your
Speaker 1: math teacher in math class, and like nightclub at night,
Speaker 1: not like during the day on a TV set, and
Speaker 1: like act you're like at times like base camp was
Speaker 1: probably far from St. K. Streets are small in that
Speaker 1: little packing district in New York, so there was probably
Speaker 1: like a waiting area so that you we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: to go back to our trailers and take more time
Speaker 1: for like touch ups and things like that. So so
Speaker 1: you have a little area with their chairs that's like
Speaker 1: you know, maybe off to the room. Maybe it's in
Speaker 1: the kitchen of St. K. Maybe it's exactly, which is
Speaker 1: another place that I don't want to know, especially New
Speaker 1: York City. Right. But then so then I'm saying, it's
Speaker 1: not even like you're just going in and out for
Speaker 1: the scenes. You're like living in this space. We're just
Speaker 1: living in that space. We lived in that space, and
Speaker 1: I actually think we lived in that space for like
Speaker 1: two days. I thought that I remember, you know, like
Speaker 1: because there was a lot going on there and I
Speaker 1: remember the ner tiny thing taking some time. We talk
Speaker 1: about that. How did they do that with the hair
Speaker 1: falling out? It wasn't a one and done. I think
Speaker 1: like getting the angles right and everything took took a
Speaker 1: couple of takes. But it's like you have to like
Speaker 1: actually throw, like you actually have to do it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the nertini you know, right? And did was there
Speaker 1: a mark on like where you were throwing on the
Speaker 1: back of like a stand, Yeah, that was definitely. It
Speaker 1: was definitely a hairpiece of some sort, right, But I
Speaker 1: don't I don't remember if there was a mark. I
Speaker 1: don't remember there being a mark. They put cameras were
Speaker 1: maybe far away so that it wouldn't actually get on
Speaker 1: the legs. Well that too, right, And then when when
Speaker 1: you're watching it too, it all happened behind her head, right,
Speaker 1: That's like it all happened behind and they were taking
Speaker 1: the from the front right right, so you couldn't really
Speaker 1: see you could like sort of you could see the action,
Speaker 1: and you could see her like kind of touching her hair, right,
Speaker 1: And then what do you I mean, it's been so long,
Speaker 1: but do you ream? Member? Because I always find when
Speaker 1: it's like someone throwing up or drinking wine, or it's
Speaker 1: never what obviously it is like. The person isn't actually
Speaker 1: throwing up, so it's like a mixture of like some
Speaker 1: you know, I've been on seats where it's been mushed
Speaker 1: like oatmeal or and you know with like smashed raspberries
Speaker 1: with avocada, like what that actually looks like? What it
Speaker 1: was my daughter's this morning. But it's all it's never
Speaker 1: what it is like when someone's drinking wine. It's obviously
Speaker 1: not wine, you know. And then sometimes also this is
Speaker 1: like a little fun fact, and we've had to do this.
Speaker 1: We had to do this a lot on Gossip Girl.
Speaker 1: But with all the party scenes, you with the prop department,
Speaker 1: they fill your drinks every time there's a reset, so
Speaker 1: that the mark of your whatever you're drinking is at
Speaker 1: the same point. And this is what I always found
Speaker 1: it hard to You have to drink the same time
Speaker 1: you drink every time. So if I say, hey, is
Speaker 1: how are you doing? And Vanessa drinks, I have to
Speaker 1: literally drink every take every time like that, so that
Speaker 1: it matches from every angle. So sometimes a lot of times,
Speaker 1: once I realized that at whatever point that was, whether
Speaker 1: it was this show or before this I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: always just gonna do water because then I'll be getting
Speaker 1: all the water I need because it's I write it.
Speaker 1: At one time, I did coffee, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna literally lose my mind. No more coffee. I don't
Speaker 1: want coffee in the Oh my gosh. That's hilarious. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I know people that will always do iced
Speaker 1: tea because they're a nice tea drinker, or we'll do
Speaker 1: you know, which I always. You know, that's just something
Speaker 1: again you don't think about. Or when you are eating
Speaker 1: something in a scene and you got you have to
Speaker 1: take the bite at the same time. So sometimes you're like,
Speaker 1: take the bite while I'm talking because then I have
Speaker 1: to make it look clean and cool and you can
Speaker 1: still understand me. You know. Brad Pitt does it a lot,
Speaker 1: and scenes like Oceans eleven he's eating. When you go
Speaker 1: back and see it now, you'll be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like his thing and he was always eating always,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and he's really doesn't miss a beat,
Speaker 1: Like he's like chewing and talking and doing it making
Speaker 1: it look so real. But I don't like when you're
Speaker 1: watching a scene at a bar or like like at
Speaker 1: st K if if you're not taking SIPs and drinking it,
Speaker 1: do you take me down of them? Because you would
Speaker 1: be drinking and eating when you're out with your friends,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, exactly. Okay, So back
Speaker 1: to the drinking or the near teeny there. Do you
Speaker 1: remember what the mix was for that? Because it was
Speaker 1: so miss like it wasn't jello But this is me
Speaker 1: because I know it's I think it was glue and
Speaker 1: food color like like like it was stringy. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was that because because school glue has that kind of
Speaker 1: like narrow consistent, right, I mean, it's been a long
Speaker 1: time since I've used narify, you know, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I see, but you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 1: think it was I think it was glue. I think
Speaker 1: it was like glue that was kind of like maybe
Speaker 1: water done a little bit because you know, if it's
Speaker 1: like school glue, it's a little bit more running, right,
Speaker 1: but I think they need to make it runnier and
Speaker 1: then also put the food color. Yeah, and then it
Speaker 1: clearly was must have been a wig where they chopped
Speaker 1: remember that, and then when you know set it, then
Speaker 1: everyone all the makeup team and everyone run out all
Speaker 1: the camera and then action would be where yeah, it's insane,
Speaker 1: but like then that happened, and then like Dan the
Speaker 1: next day when he calls her, it's like, I'm just
Speaker 1: really sorry about what happened last night. You're sorry about
Speaker 1: what happened last night. The girl's hair was coming out,
Speaker 1: because I like that is like gnarly, Like I would
Speaker 1: be like coming over to your house, like you're sorry,
Speaker 1: that's not enough, No, like now I need to wear
Speaker 1: wigs and I just started at the school. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then when when Dan and the st K turns around
Speaker 1: to say, well, at least they This was an interesting
Speaker 1: little part to me when he's like when him and Serena,
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm sorry, I didn't know, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're always rationalizing and he goes it least at least
Speaker 1: they own it. And it goes in the camera pans
Speaker 1: to you and Penelope. It's funny because I would always
Speaker 1: try to be like, Okay, I'm the reverse which way
Speaker 1: am I looking? Am I looking camera right or camera left?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? But it always depended
Speaker 1: on where the camera was to your shoulder. It's it's
Speaker 1: really like wild and for anyone listening that doesn't understand
Speaker 1: that if you look the other way when it's actually
Speaker 1: an editing, you have to reshoot everything because it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like you're talking to the person to match their coverage.
Speaker 1: I mean, all that stuff like blew my mind when
Speaker 1: I was I was like what mind. It still does.
Speaker 1: I'm like what, But like I literally a pan to
Speaker 1: you and Penelope and you guys, you were looking at
Speaker 1: Serena and Dan, and I'm thinking, I wonder, I wonder
Speaker 1: even if your eyeline had to be higher because or lower,
Speaker 1: because you guys were definitely on a step closer to
Speaker 1: the ball, and they were always yeah, they usually had
Speaker 1: somebody over there for eyeline went though, which helped, right sure.
Speaker 1: I mean if it was actually you know, Blake or
Speaker 1: pen that would be great, But sometimes it's not. It
Speaker 1: would just be like someone different personnes to a different
Speaker 1: person because they would have to be getting ready to
Speaker 1: do the next scene to make the time of the day.
Speaker 1: And what is also funny, saying the line to another person,
Speaker 1: sometimes there would be just an X because the person
Speaker 1: couldn't get behind like the different chords or the things
Speaker 1: like saying a line I'm supposed to be talking to
Speaker 1: like Blair and I'm talking to literally a bright red
Speaker 1: X on some like stand and I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: picturing Blair's her. She's rolling her eyes right now. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: we're just very talented, very well, you know what I
Speaker 1: think about it, And it's like, this is why I
Speaker 1: think there are their actors are really held in such
Speaker 1: high regard. I mean, like when you are on the
Speaker 1: other side of it, you know, I think sometimes people
Speaker 1: don't don't think about it that way. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it couldn't be that hard or whatever. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: actually really hard. Yeah. Norman Buckley, remember Norman the director.
Speaker 1: He was talking about how everyone he loved working with
Speaker 1: everyone so much because everyone was really down and game
Speaker 1: to just try. He's like, I would sometimes make marks
Speaker 1: and things physically like it might be difficult, but I
Speaker 1: knew everyone would try hard to do it, and everyone
Speaker 1: was down. And that's what I think also was a
Speaker 1: big testament to everyone on the Gossip Girl family. Making
Speaker 1: it what people love so much is because everyone really
Speaker 1: did come to play and like thrown out, like like you, Nicole,
Speaker 1: you never acted in your life to step in and
Speaker 1: take on a role that became a staple and bring
Speaker 1: like the comedy and the fashion. Like also even though
Speaker 1: let's obviously Eric is like a legend in it, but
Speaker 1: the way everyone rocked it to not everyone could have
Speaker 1: just came in and played is and rocked it that
Speaker 1: way and had the funny banter and things like that.
Speaker 1: That's obviously why you did it and did a great
Speaker 1: job with it for for years. But like you coming
Speaker 1: in never knowing like at all, and then knowing what
Speaker 1: a mark was and having to do that and then
Speaker 1: still be able to artistically bring what you brought is
Speaker 1: like phenomenal. I mean that I learned. I learned so much. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I learned so much, and I just and I'm a
Speaker 1: pretty quick study and I just kind of picked it
Speaker 1: up and I'm just like all right, that's what I
Speaker 1: gotta do, you know, Like I feel like I remember
Speaker 1: I remember like one of the one of the times
Speaker 1: like they had I'm blanking on the word what is
Speaker 1: the word? Oh? Stand in? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they had
Speaker 1: like a stand in right, and I were just like
Speaker 1: all right, I don't I don't remember what they said,
Speaker 1: but like the stand ins and I was just like,
Speaker 1: what are they talking about they were probably like first
Speaker 1: team everyone can go back to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I was but I was like standing. I
Speaker 1: was like, what is And then I noticed and then
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, it's a black girl kind
Speaker 1: of the same height. I was like, that's interesting. She's
Speaker 1: standing in for me while they're doing the lighting so
Speaker 1: that I can go and do my hair and makeup
Speaker 1: and be ready for the scene. I was like, I
Speaker 1: have no real idea. I didn't even know that was
Speaker 1: going to happen. I think that's what it was for me, right,
Speaker 1: I had no idea that I was like in the
Speaker 1: big leagues, you know what. Like I was like, I
Speaker 1: just assumed that I would have to stand. I mean
Speaker 1: also too, I came from a modeling background. I would
Speaker 1: just have to stand there until they figured out the
Speaker 1: light like the lighting. Yeah yeah, so that's yeah, so
Speaker 1: standing for anyone listening that does no, it's basically what
Speaker 1: she just explained. But they basically they also like make
Speaker 1: sure like the color shirt that you're standing has on
Speaker 1: is this similar color whatever, you know, a texture too, yep,
Speaker 1: and then they try to light it and do everything
Speaker 1: height wise and you know, skin color wise and all
Speaker 1: the things so that when the actor playing in the
Speaker 1: scene comes back, it's it's ready to go. And sometimes
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of adjusting, but most of the
Speaker 1: time not. And I became very close with my standing
Speaker 1: from Gospel, so they were still friends. Yeah, Ashley, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: She um. Yeah. And it's also a lot of help
Speaker 1: for the for the actors because sometimes it's like if
Speaker 1: if if we had to do that, we wouldn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'd have to add on seven days for episode because
Speaker 1: it just takes so much time, takes so much time
Speaker 1: to get right, especially for a show like this, or
Speaker 1: there's just there's so much there's so much fashion, like
Speaker 1: you know, totally and what's so nice, Like Ashley wouldn't
Speaker 1: I would come back from you know, whether we were
Speaker 1: kind of running the lines as a you know, with
Speaker 1: the actors on the side, or we were doing our
Speaker 1: you know, changeovers or touch ups. She'd always come in
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, so you know, Chuck's gonna
Speaker 1: walk in behind this pillar here just so you know,
Speaker 1: on your eyeline will be really close to the camp
Speaker 1: camera left, and she'd like give me the rundown, even
Speaker 1: though the director would and it would be awesome, you know,
Speaker 1: and then we still come and then rehearse it. Well
Speaker 1: it's us in the scene. But having those standards have
Speaker 1: been great. But I love that you were like I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was getting that. I'm like, girl, you
Speaker 1: like made the show know what to expect. I had
Speaker 1: no idea what so I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: they were calling and then I was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm first team, all right, cool first Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: so funny. Um. I like bringing me back to that
Speaker 1: courtyard scene when when Dan walks out one last thing
Speaker 1: with this episode, do you feel like Dan should be
Speaker 1: getting shunned the way he did? Like did he really
Speaker 1: cross Serena in a bad way? Like this again? Is
Speaker 1: like to me, you guys broke up, like he should go,
Speaker 1: but was it wrong he went to? Like what do
Speaker 1: you think? Do you think he's him getting showned? Is
Speaker 1: like not right? Or does he deserve it? Right? It's
Speaker 1: totally not right, Like I mean, like seriously, like he didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean they both they broke up together, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And like to have everybody turned on him,
Speaker 1: like I mean, he wasn't doing anything. Amanda was the
Speaker 1: one that was doing something. She's like, let's show them,
Speaker 1: you know. She right? Yeah, exactly like in the end
Speaker 1: at all, it all goes back to Chuck. But poor
Speaker 1: nand poor lonely boy lonely again. It's like that's his thing.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, how about too that the scene when
Speaker 1: he walks out is Santa Gold. What's the name of
Speaker 1: the song? Shove It by sl I'm like, they love
Speaker 1: her up on that show. Wait, I don't I know that.
Speaker 1: I think I probably knew it when I was watching it,
Speaker 1: but then now I'm first stop coming and I'll send
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you. I can't I will not
Speaker 1: sing it because baby girl don't have that kind of
Speaker 1: voice over here. But it's Shoved It by Santa Gold
Speaker 1: and it's this beat and then feature in spank rock
Speaker 1: on this on this actual mix or whatever. But the
Speaker 1: beat starts, he walks out, looks around, and yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just been shunned. And I'm like, I don't, like, maybe
Speaker 1: it wasn't right to go to st K, but was
Speaker 1: it right that Serena wanted to go to dinner? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you're not totally in the wrong here, Like you shouldn't
Speaker 1: really be like like kick to the curb like this,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I mean, in gossip Girl world
Speaker 1: like that happens for like a week and then you know,
Speaker 1: probably all high school world, to be honest, it happens
Speaker 1: for a week and then all of a sudden everything's
Speaker 1: like fine again, right, you know? True? Yeah, here's here
Speaker 1: was the closing Gossip Girl quote. Sorry, lonely boy, don't
Speaker 1: say we didn't warn you. But if Queen S will
Speaker 1: do this to d are any of us safe, bow
Speaker 1: down or bow out? X O x O people bow
Speaker 1: down or bow out? Ah? Man, Well, girl, this was amazing.
Speaker 1: Can give us your Instagram name on here so you
Speaker 1: guys can go check her out and then any website
Speaker 1: or anything you want to go to to see and here.
Speaker 1: And obviously I love having you here, so this might
Speaker 1: be we might be doing this more. Yeah, I love it. No,
Speaker 1: it's so great. It's always good to connect with you. Um.
Speaker 1: You can find me at I Am Nicole Facella on
Speaker 1: Instagram and then also www dot Nicole Facella dot com
Speaker 1: and that's n I C O L E F I
Speaker 1: S C E l l A. Yep, yep, we got
Speaker 1: it all right, girl. Well I'll leave you to it okay, Nicole.
Speaker 1: As always, it was an absolute pleasure having you on
Speaker 1: the podcast. I keep forgetting about all the Shenanigans of
Speaker 1: Blair and her group, and I'm so glad I could
Speaker 1: dive into some of their most chaotic moments with you listeners.
Speaker 1: I'll of course see you next week for a rewatch
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