WEBVTT - Behind the Scenes Minis: Eclipse Games 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:14.240 of iHeartRadio Habby Friday. I'm Tracy B. Wilson and I'm 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:19.680 Holly Frye. I'm hoping that at this moment I have 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.040 safely returned home from a successful trip to see the 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:29.160 total solar eclipse a bunch of us. As we're recording this, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.880 we're going to go to Texas. By the time it 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.800 comes out, we will have gone to Texas and come back. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:40.000 We selected a place in the path of totality that 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.840 seemed like it had a better chance of not having 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.360 cloud cover than like the parts of New England that 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.519 the path of totality is going to go through, which 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.440 would been much closer, and also places that we felt 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.640 like we could get to in a reasonable way to 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:04.759 do this last time total solar eclipse. Same essentially group 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:10.240 of people. We went to Columbia, Missouri, and it was great, 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.240 and we did have a little bit of cloud cover 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:19.000 that was making us nervous, but the clouds cleared over 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.880 the sun just in time for totality to happen. And 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.720 this is why I don't really get behind the criticisms 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.759 of the people who were like, well, this five eighty 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.280 five BCE eclipse would have been so late in the 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:37.920 day probably they wouldn't have even noticed that the eclipse happened. 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:46.959 I think they would have noticed because the total solar 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:51.840 eclipse did not feel like a cloud covering up the Sun. No, 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.320 I have another thought, but keep going. Yeah, okay. The 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:01.920 comparison between the eclipsed sun and not eclipsed son was 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.720 a lot more dramatic than like a cloud blue in, 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.200 even a big cloud blue in or a storm blue in. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:13.600 It became really eerily quiet, and then nighttime animals started 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:20.640 making nighttime noises. It was really one of the It 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:26.160 was just like a profound experience. This is fascinating to me. Yeah, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.680 I don't get moved by them like that. Well have 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.880 you I have gone and traveled. Oh yes, okay, and 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.440 I'm like neat. Yeah, and it's neat. But that's like 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.320 then I'm ready to rock and roll. It's time to go. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.840 But I love that people get so excited about it. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.959 It's just one of those things where I'm like cool, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.000 because I love astronomy and stuff. You would think I 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.360 would be like you, guys, everybody shut up, this is 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.560 really important. But well, it's not a sculpture. It's not 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.840 a piece of art. Vishal Lebron did not touch it. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.200 So yeah, that's I don't know. And I also like 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.560 I do, especially in the wintertime, Like in the wintertime, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.359 a lot of times I will try to hike at 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.720 the warmest point of the day, which a lot of 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.760 times is going to be in the late afternoon. So 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.760 a lot of times I am returning home from hiking 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:21.320 as the sun is setting. And I still think, I 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.520 still think that would have been something that would have 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.480 been noticeable. So I just like, just me personally, I 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.320 don't really agree with the argument that like probably the 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.360 armies would not have noticed an eclipse, if eclipse if 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.160 it was starting late in the day towards unde sunset. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.960 Now this is where my other thought comes in, Okay, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.480 because I hear you it is a dramatic like visual thing, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.560 but you're not fighting hand to hand combat when you're 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.680 seeing them. I guess that's also true. Like that's that's 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.880 the mitigator for me, is like if I were engaged 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.960 in combat, I would be like, cool, it's dark. I 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.920 don't have time to look at that, like I might die. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.480 But I don't know enough about how how their flavor 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.000 of combat played out to know how much of that 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:08.840 really was like what I'm envisioning largely from film and 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.240 occasional woodcuts, versus like if they were just sitting around 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.560 waiting for the next maneuver, Right, I don't know that 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.920 would be that would be the shifter in that one. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.520 But I don't know. I guess yeah. Well, and then 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.320 there's also the argument of like, there probably wasn't an 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.599 eclipse like that. Some of the papers that I read 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.120 doing research for this were very stride. They were like, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:35.400 the eclipse is a fiction. Yeah. I have more questions, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.120 but they're kind of personal in nature, and you might 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.240 not want to answer them on the show. Well, we 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.919 can clut them out if okay, because this is pure curiosity. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.080 I'm just I have been peppering portracy with questions today 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.080 for I don't know if I'm just super tired, so 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.320 I've become a toddler and I have a million ques. 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.560 When you say an eclipse for you is a very 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.760 profound experience, like profound in what way? Like what is 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.159 your takeaway? Do you feel differently about the world or 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.080 the cosmos in your place in it? Or is it 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:08.360 profound just in like the starkness of its difference from 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.400 day to day life. So I will confess that when 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.960 I was in maybe third grade, there was a total 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:19.719 annular eclipse that crossed North Carolina right where we lived, 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.080 in the path of totality. And if I'm remembering this correctly, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.560 this happened during the school day. We all went outside 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.359 and watched it with little pinhole cameras made of index cards. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.000 I also remember another solar eclipse that I feel like 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.039 was maybe a partial solar eclipse that we did something 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.000 similar in the yard at home because it was not 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.800 a school day. Neither of those when I was a 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:52.640 child really struck me as anything impressive at all, and 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.840 I was like, as I don't know why you're out 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.239 here making me look at these things through index cards. 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:03.960 It's a shadow like why why I could be playing. Yeah. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:11.400 So then this one that was in twenty seventeen, which 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:17.040 a group of us went to Columbia, Missouri together, I 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.159 was sort of like, this just theme seems like a 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.800 cool thing to do. At that point, I had not 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:28.200 seen an actual total solar eclipse within the path of totality, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.479 and I had just seen this total annular eclipse before 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.400 which that makes like a ring around there's still a 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.440 ring of sun visible, and so I kind of went 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.480 sort of like feeling like it would be a fun 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:44.200 thing to do, an interesting and we went out to 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:50.000 this It was sort of a wildlife preservation area and 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.920 it was a whole group of us together. The people 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.600 that I was with were all people who were very 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:02.960 interested in what we were doing. One person background in 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.719 a related field, gotcha, so like to this person personally, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.880 I think would have been particularly affected. So some of 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:14.000 it was witnessing all the things that happened when the 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.360 sun disappeared, right because we had picked a point, we 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:23.560 were close to the longest duration of the totality, so 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.280 there was enough time in the state of totality that 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.360 like interesting things happened around us involving how the animals 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.280 behaved to what we were doing. And then part of 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.400 it was also like how much it struck other people 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.160 that I was with, So I sort of by osmosis, right, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.960 you're part of the group dynamic. Yeah, And then also 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.560 there's just the part of like witnessing this thing where 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:52.600 these the fact that we have eclipses. It all only 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.240 happens because of the position of the moon and the 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.360 Earth and our relation to the sun, and if if 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.680 that alignment was not what it is, we would not 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:09.480 have them. So yeah, it was a lot of stuff together, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:22.000 it just feels momentous. Yeah. I will also just have 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.200 a note that I did try to find good pronunciation 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:30.280 guidance for this episode, and boy, like some things I 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:35.520 found Greek pronunciations for don't actually know whether the Greek 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:40.680 pronunciation now would be remotely like right, the Greek pronunciation then. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.760 And also they were names of people that weren't necessarily 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.880 in Greek to start with. And then similarly, sometimes there 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.280 are Latin pronunciations that's maybe totally different, and then you'll 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.560 have English pronunciations, and then sometimes just no pronunciations by 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.920 anyone reputable seeming to say anything about any of this. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.839 So like, we did try, but I'm not gonna say 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.160 that anything that we did would pass some kind of scrutiny. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:16.079 I say, a person who's say entire PhD is about, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.280 you know, this region of the world in the sixth 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:24.120 century BC. Right, Well, I mean we have talked about 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.360 pronunciation so many times, and it also comes down to you. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:32.480 I bet during the sixth century bce. Not everybody said 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:37.880 it the same way. Yeah, yeah, we have. We We've 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:41.240 gotten some pronunciation corrections recently from things that I'm like, 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.280 I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.760 because there are two at least pronunciations for the thing 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.240 that you are rhyming it with, and I don't know 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.200 which you are mirking with. Yeah, yeah, I mean that 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.560 happens all the time. It's Yeah, there's a fun thing 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.920 I've probably mentioned before, uh for my Star Wars dork, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:05.559 but Dave Felony, who is I forget his exact title, 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.520 but he's, you know, the Grand Pooba of Star Wars 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.480 creativity at this point. But he started doing a thing 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.880 that I found really fascinating and kind of cool. Which 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:18.000 is it like if he's being interviewed and a thing 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.040 comes up that people have pronounced differently in Star Wars 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.120 at various times in the course of the interview, he'll 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.280 use both pronunciations. I love this because he's like they're 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.160 both valid, and I like, that's fine, we all know 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.600 what we're talking about. And I was like, oh, this 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:38.920 is very genius. Yeah yeah, yeah. Some of the things 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.520 we hear from folks about I are sort of equivalent 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:46.160 to like the word wat er. Most of us in 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.120 the US say it sort of similarly to water, right, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.319 which has a D in it and not a T, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.679 which is not how it's spelled. But then there's like 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.199 variations on just that, Like there are people that say 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.480 it more like water. Yeah, well I can't even do it. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.080 Uh so, Yeah, there's just there's so much difference in 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.439 accents and how people's mouths work. I will once again 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.600 invoke the great Facebook crayon war. Oh, people got so mad, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.920 which we had to. That word came up on a 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.480 recent episode and it was on me and I was like, 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.760 oh gosh, I hope this doesn't happen again. I know 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.920 everybody says it differently. I say it crayon. My spouse 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:32.559 says it closer to cryon, which is the pronunciation people 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.280 got the most angry about when they were fighting about 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.400 the pronunciation of crayon on our Facebook. This is so 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.079 long ago, but was so dramatic. We both still remember 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.200 it was. Really I was just like I did because 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.880 we had done one on the history of Krayola creons, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:53.640 and I certainly didn't know what an incendi or topic. Well, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.960 I think the only thing that's happened recently that even 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.000 compares to that is the fight p people had about 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:05.240 whether The Velveteen Rabbit is an appropriate book for children 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.600 and whether you should interpret it in a way that 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:13.120 is happy or sad, and people got verbally violent about it. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.200 People feel ways about things. They sure do, they sure do, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.559 thats what's up? I'm you know. I always go the 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.280 hippie route of like, both points are valid. Yes, we 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.400 can all say it however we want, because nine times 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.560 out of ten in context is perfectly clear what you're 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.080 talking about. To just understand what the person meant, then 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.959 mission accomplished. I also just love the variance of audio 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.319 musicality of people saying things different ways. Oh me too, 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.520 I think it's beautiful. Often when I'm like, oh, that's 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.559 how you say that. That sounds pretty indifferent than the 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.960 way I say it, or like, ooh that sounds really 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:48.800 forceful and different than the way I've ever heard it. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:55.720 I love those Yeah, yeah, not everybody does. No. I 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.640 follow a bunch of through hikers on TikTok because while 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.120 I do not think I will ever through hike anything 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.360 difficult myself, I do like to watch other people doing 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.480 it and the different ways the people will say the 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:16.400 thing I say as the Appalachian Trail, and sometimes fighting words. Yes, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.120 sometimes there will be people that talk about how they're 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.280 on day fourteen, and a lot of them I've noticed 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.520 just start saying the at so that they won't have 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:29.120 to deal with it. But like, no matter how anybody 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.160 says it, there will be a bunch of people in 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.920 the comments being ugly about it. And I'm like, this 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.559 person is walking, do you understand how far they are 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.920 going to walk? What if this was not what we 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.920 were focused on? I feel like this, I mean, we're 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.320 getting now into the shades of like why do people 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.200 have to yell at each other on the internet? But 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:52.400 like my variation on this recently, it's not about pronunciation 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:58.360 but about various cooking accounts and like the refusal to 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.079 acknowledge that people have different taste oh, in different ways 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.000 of preparing things right, And it'll be like, I'm listen, 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.319 if you ever just are bored and need entertainment and 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.760 like your television's broken, go to the New York Times 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.480 cooking post and watch people yell at each other under 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.600 them because it's literally like it's not even like ooh, 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.440 I didn't like this. It's like I made this and 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.840 it was garbage and I hate you and I'm not subscribing. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:29.720 Like it literally escalates to this like wild level in seconds. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.160 And then you know, if someone goes, I made this 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.200 and I actually thought it was pretty good, there's a 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.360 herd of people who want to tell them that they 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.920 clearly have the palette of like a badger and they 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.800 shouldn't be allowed in a kitchen. And like it's never 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.560 just like, oh, I don't that doesn't work for me. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:49.880 It's always like, and you are a monster and you're bad. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.800 you probably cook with crayons. I know. This is one 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.720 of the ways that I feel really conflicted about like 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.560 where we are and the ability to communicate with each other, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.160 because I think the Internet and social media have made 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.520 it possible for people who did not have a community 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.720 before to find a community. Yeah, but it's also made 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:11.040 it so much easier to just be ugly, and ugliness 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.800 is such a big part of like the internet culture 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.600 at this point, and I don't love it. I'm like, hey, 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.880 what if we all remembered we're all on the same 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.560 planet with the same sun and the same moon. We're 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.000 all here together. We're all trapped on one rock hurdling 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:28.240 through space. Be cool, and that's where we'll end this half. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.560 We talked about Milton Bradley and the Checkered Game of 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:46.479 Life this week. Yep, there have been so many versions 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:54.440 of this game, even in the modern versions where I'm like, yikes, yeah, 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.800 there was on the original. On some of the original 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.840 versions there was a square you could land on that 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.960 kind of encouraged things like playing the stock market and 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:12.440 speculation that got taken off. And even in the modern ones, 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:17.040 I remember, and then I thought I may have misremembered 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.920 and been experiencing a cerebral event something that I then 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.440 went and looked at ads, and it was in the ads, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.120 which is that you used to get sent to a 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:30.800 poor farm, which is sucky. That's yeah, the whole thing 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:35.200 is sucky. The newer versions of Life are a trip 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.400 because like, you don't get cash you used to, like 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.720 I remember Life being one of those games like Monopoly 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.120 where you would get lots of paper involved, and now 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:49.119 the newer ones have you get like a debit card essentially, 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.200 and it's like I think they even have a partnership 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.840 with Visa. Yeah, and it's like about They always say 0:16:55.840 --> 0:17:01.440 that it is about teaching kids financial responsibility, but it's 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.880 also like, I don't know, the whole thing is weird anymore. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:09.400 I don't think we played a lot of the Game 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.359 of Life. I mean I have played it before, but 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.200 I feel like it was a game that like somebody 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.160 who baby sat us at or something like. I don't 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.600 think it was a game we had at home. Yeah, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.399 I mean I wonder too, because like the Game of Life, historically, 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.000 as we grew up playing, it was very gendered. Right. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.800 You had a car that was either pink or blue 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.560 if you were a boy or a girl, and you 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.280 had little pegs that represented you and the other people 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.560 in your family that were all either pink or blue 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.600 for the same reasons. And I'm like, that's not really 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:45.000 today that I mean, are there other colors I haven't investigated. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:50.159 I don't have no idea, But I also one. I 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.880 did love the ad campaigns for the Game of Life 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.160 because they're preposterously funny. Right, It's like a ten year 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.919 old going I had twins and just like a lot 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.919 Oh yeah. I also just have the get Lucky with 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.840 the Game of Life jingle on in my head on repeat. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.680 The whole time we've been recording this. Oh yeah, mine 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.439 is you can be a winner at the Game of Life. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.359 Oh I forgot that one. I love that one. That 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.960 was my favorite, even though the actual ad is probably 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.439 one of my less favorites in terms of how it 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.560 plays out. But it's very funny. I will say this though, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.320 which makes me sound like I was a ruthless child, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.520 and I was in some ways because I did not 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.439 want to play the Game of Life. Okay, I was 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.359 a monopoly kid because I wanted to destroy all I wanted. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.960 I was that monster child that wanted to build up 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.520 every one of my properties to the point where like 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.800 Dubai would look on with envy. And then I wanted 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:52.679 to charge people. I remember charging somebody who did not 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.520 have the money to pay me when they landed on 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.360 my square. I was like, you can keep playing. I'm 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.920 not going to bank, but you will be racking up interest. 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:08.760 What a monstrous kid. So I in my memory, my 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:13.960 paternal grandmother had two board games at her house when 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.600 my brother, cousin and I were of the age to 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:24.280 play them, and those were Battleship and Monopoly, and my brother, no, 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:29.040 my cousin, and I would gang up on my brother. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:36.280 Oh yeah, alliances and and upset him so much. Sorry, sorry, Matt, 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.520 I'm very sorry that that Rad and I were so 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.080 bad to you playing Monopoly as children. I feel like 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.520 that's always how it went. It was always me and 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.480 my cousin ganging up on my brother, and then my 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.480 grandmother would be like, y'a'll be nice. But that's not 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.639 how that works. Those don't foster niceness. No. Well, and 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.440 that whole game has its own story of it being 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:01.680 a game originally that was about the grossness of capitalism 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.720 that then became a game that celebrates capitalism. There's a 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.480 whole that's a whole other story. Yeah, there's lots of 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.200 other work out there on there. That article from The 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.639 New Yorker that Jim Lapour wrote, who is a history professor, 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.359 made an interesting point that I hadn't considered about the 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.400 game of life, which is that you're not the way 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.320 you're competing with other players is not in a way 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.800 that directly impacts them. You're on your own journey and 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.000 you're just trying to get through your stuff fastest, unlike 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.440 something like Monopoly, where it is a little more ruthless 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:38.720 and like you're trying to take down other people, and 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.280 I was like, oh, that's an interesting thing I had 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.280 not thought about. Although, of course, in the actual game 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.840 of real world life, if your only goal is to 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.760 acquire wealth, you are probably going to take down other people. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:55.439 That's a different matter. And there are also a number 0:20:55.720 --> 0:21:00.199 of awesome board games that are cooperative and everyone and 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:05.560 playing is working together to achieva goal. Yes, yeah, that's 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:07.840 I feel like. That is how I like to play 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.320 video games now. Like I don't love the games where 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.680 you just drop in and get you know, destroyed by 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.920 somebody randomly, right, I really like the ones for a while. 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.040 When when the first version of Battlefront two is out, 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.320 I'm almost reluctant to bring up Battlefront because it's going 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.680 through a little rough moment right now. But they used 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.640 to have a setting that was called Play All Maps, 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.840 and basically Brian and I would make sure we run 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.280 the same team. We would hit play All Maps and 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.639 we would spend like four hours just running around the 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:42.080 Star Wars universe together, you know, trying to shoot droids, 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.320 which was a very good date night for us. Yeah, 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.320 and I would like to do those again, but yeah, 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.159 I don't. I don't so much want to fight with 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:51.879 my friends in games the way I did when I 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.000 was a kid. Now I've gotten to be such a 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:58.200 hippie as an adult and like everybody be kind. Who 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:03.040 can adopt the most cats? That will be my board game. Yeah. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.520 We So there's a game. I think it's called The 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.920 Tea Dragon Society. I'm doing this for memory, and it's 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.000 been a while since I've played. But it is a game. 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.560 You have these little dragons and tea. It is a 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.040 card game. And I was playing it with some friends 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:24.760 and three of us were interested in, you know, having 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.920 a good time with these adorable dragons and their tea 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.920 and flowers and et cetera. And Friend number four sort 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.840 of created an engine like he was actually playing the game, 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.399 like playing it to win. He created an engine with 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.879 the cards so that every turn he got all of 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.560 the stuff. And we were just like, we are not 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.119 we do not have the same goal for our This 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:58.920 is not the same game. Noh. So anyway, I don't 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.639 do many board games these days, not for lack of interest. 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:05.840 It's just hard to like find a time when people 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:07.440 I would want to play with can all be in 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:11.760 the same place. Right. Uh, you know, we're all a 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:16.159 little probably silly levels of busy, but maybe maybe that 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:21.240 will be a mid year resolution for me. I'll add in, Yeah, yeah, 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.679 I do. I do play some board So we've gotten 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:28.359 requests for a history of board games episode that's like going, 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.200 can I get a history of the sun? Yeah, and 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.679 big this is maybe gonna be ironic since we just 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:39.360 I just wrote six impossible episodes on etiquette manuals, which 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.399 was like, admittedly from the beginning, like this is a 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:45.640 very eurocentric etiquette manual thing. I feel like it would 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:50.679 be a huge disservice to that topic to have it 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:54.840 be really eurocentric. And I also don't feel like it's 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.479 possible to be more global with it and have it 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:02.760 fit into an episode. There's so much so like that 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:04.879 is something that I've thought about and that's where I 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:11.280 landed on it. Yeah, that's tricky. I hope if this 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:16.080 is your weekend coming up, that you get to maybe 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.480 play a game with somebody that you like playing with 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.040 and that has similar objectives and approaches to those games 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.960 to you. If it's not your time off coming up, 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:29.200 we hope that you still get to have a good 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.280 time and maybe play a game. Sometimes I can fit 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:37.000 a game in on a weeknight. If you are trucking 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.639 along through life and getting relaxation and being kind, we 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:45.360 hope you reach happy old age. We will be right 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.000 back here again tomorrow with a classic, and then on 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:55.960