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Speaker 1: to say, so out you Okay. So after a couple

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Speaker 1: re air some of my favorite episodes. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys enjoyed um, you know, going back and listening to

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Speaker 1: I have not toured that heavily since before COVID, so

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Speaker 1: that was like two straight weeks out on the road,

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Speaker 1: So it was a pretty intense journey, but I had

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Speaker 1: so much fun. Um All Time Low fans were incredible

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Speaker 1: to me. All Time Low was incredible to me. I

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Speaker 1: really can't describe the level of hype that was achieved

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Speaker 1: for the California show, they got tough. Some friends come

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I freaking loved Canada. Canada was so cool

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Speaker 1: and um, Vancouver was awesome, like Sam's Sam's first thought

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Speaker 1: Like it really does feel like a foreign country, but

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Speaker 1: And it was very funny. Um, so that was a blast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody who came out to the shows.

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Speaker 1: in life. Um, but we're not here to talk about

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Speaker 1: me today. Guys, we are here to talk about Taylor

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Speaker 1: fucking Swift. Um. Miss Taylor Allison Swift was born on

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Speaker 1: December thirteenth. You know, I'm just kidding. Animals start at

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Speaker 1: the beginning, but I want to talk about Red. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Taylor's version. It's incredible. I am really happy that it

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Speaker 1: And um, Red is such a driving album. Like as

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Speaker 1: soon as I get to Maine or New England for

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Speaker 1: Holy Ground and just like jam and it's just such

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Speaker 1: Stiff could do that. But the ten minute version of

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the album and um, I will

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Speaker 1: my heart. But the fact that Taylor's rerecording these songs

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Speaker 1: So then I ended up tweeting, and I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: Jason Iszabel ended up weighing in on this. So I

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything mean. I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: it's a rerelease, but these are new lyrics. You said

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Speaker 1: It made me want to die. That's not empowering. That's sad.

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Speaker 1: That's not an okay way to react to a brief

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Speaker 1: I'm not like coming up with some groundbreaking ship here, guys. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm sexist or something. Cheers. What a chaotic thread, Jessica,

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Speaker 1: everlasting form. How many times did Da Vinci meet Mona Lisa? Yes,

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Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, you gotta get some distance.

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Speaker 1: So I just I just love that. Had a little

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Speaker 1: he's just an incredible musician and like he's sticking up

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Speaker 1: what the fuck? And and people seem to think that

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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, if you want to get on Twitter

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Speaker 1: I mean, so many songs over out relationships. You know,

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Speaker 1: this ship about Paul McCartney. Nobody ever says this shit

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Speaker 1: about Ed Sharon, And we know who Ed Sharon songs

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Speaker 1: he literally had somebody who looked like um, Britney's play

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Speaker 1: with the Red rerelease. Let me know what you guys.

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Speaker 1: Favorite songs are on there. I'm so curious. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: short film, Holy sh it. I mean, I could go

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Speaker 1: That's That's what I have too much to say about

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Speaker 1: this week. Is is the is Red Taylor's version. So

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Speaker 1: thank you guys for listening. I'm gaily shure I'll see

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Speaker 1: you next week. This is too much to say it

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