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Speaker 2: All right, guys, we're joined now by Pulitzer Prize winning

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Speaker 3: Good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Crystal so wanted to start with talking about MAGA influencers

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Speaker 2: in disarray over the Trump Department Trump's Administration's decision to

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Speaker 2: close the case on Jeffrey Epstein's say he definitely killed himself. Guys,

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Speaker 2: don't worry about it. There was no client list. This

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Speaker 2: had been a real article of faith. I mean I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure I realized how sort of central it was

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Speaker 2: to a lot of like MAGA expectations about what would

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Speaker 2: happen in the Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: But before I jump in, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going to show you Alex Jones here in just a second,

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Speaker 2: but just wanted to get your take off the top

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Speaker 2: about what has unfolded here and the reaction that we've

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Speaker 2: seen from MAGA world.

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Speaker 5: I think the most notable part of this is that

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Speaker 5: it's not just MAGA pundits or MAGA influencers who have

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Speaker 5: been talking about Jeffrey Epstein in very vehement and definitive

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Speaker 5: ways for the last four years or more.

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Speaker 3: It's the very people who run the law enforcement agencies.

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Speaker 5: The highest positions are occupied by these people like Pambondi, Cashpitalit,

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Speaker 5: Dan Bongino.

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Speaker 3: These are the people who've been going around on.

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Speaker 5: Their podcast and other podcasts accusing Biden officials of corruptly

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Speaker 5: concealing Jeffrey Epstein's client list, saying that Bill Gates is

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Speaker 5: in Congress desperately lobbying to conceal the list because he's

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Speaker 5: on it, insisting constantly that this is like the Rosetta

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Speaker 5: stone for ciphering the entire corrupt globalist network of degenerate

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Speaker 5: and abusers and predators and the like. And then they

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Speaker 5: get into office and within a couple of months it

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Speaker 5: becomes obvious that for whatever reason, they're not going to

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Speaker 5: release any of the information they had been accusing Biden

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Speaker 5: officials of concealing.

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Speaker 3: And now they're at the point where they're even claiming it.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't exist, that there is no client list, there's no

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Speaker 5: evidence he ever blackmailed anybody, A complete one eighty on

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Speaker 5: everything they've been saying for the last four years. So

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Speaker 5: if we want to assume, just for the sake of argument,

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Speaker 5: that they're now telling the truth, how do they not

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Speaker 5: come out and very profusely and publicly apologize to all

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Speaker 5: the people who they have been maligning and whose reputations

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Speaker 5: they've been strowing over the last four years by accusing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so well said, And I mean it was

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Speaker 2: always preposterous to me the idea that Trump was really

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Speaker 2: with Epstein. And to be clear, I think there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of very good questions, very troubling links and

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Speaker 2: patterns with regard to Jeffrey Epstein. I know, something you've

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Speaker 2: intelligence agencies Masad in particular.

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Speaker 4: But number one, Trump is like.

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Speaker 2: The most pro Israel president, not that you know other

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Speaker 2: American presidents haven't also been pro Israel, but his first

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Speaker 4: So that's number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two, we know these guys were friends. Well, there's

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Speaker 2: pictures of them together. He was on the quote unquote

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Speaker 2: Lolita Express. Jeffrey Epstein at least claimed they were best

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Speaker 2: friends for a decade and so and number three, You've

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Speaker 2: involved in various Jeffrey Epstein dealings. I mean, Trump's labor

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Speaker 5: I mean, I do think it's important to note that

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Speaker 5: after Jeffrey Epstein's conviction to the extent that other people

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Speaker 5: two interesting things are even after Jeffrey Epstein got convicted

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Speaker 5: of trafficking miners for commercialized sex, basically obviously, if you're

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Speaker 5: trafficking miners, it's basically child rape, it's pedophilia.

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Speaker 3: Huge numbers of the most prominent.

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Speaker 5: Power of people in the world had no compunction about

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Speaker 5: openly associating with Jeffrey Epstein, not just associating in like

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Speaker 5: et cetera. But then the other thing, Crystal, is that

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Speaker 3: Active in pro Israel activity.

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Speaker 5: So the question that the Trump administration still hasn't answered

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Speaker 5: is did Jeffrey Epstein work with or foreign any capacity,

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Speaker 5: any intelligence agency, domestic or foreign, the MASAD, the CIA, whomever.

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Speaker 3: And they're just like, we're not going to tell you that.

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Speaker 4: Just move on, Yeah, just trust us. Nothing to see here,

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Speaker 4: trust us. We're moving on. All right.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a look at this this video.

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Speaker 2: I want to play the whole thing of Alex Jones

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Speaker 2: reacting to this news as it was coming out. Now,

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Speaker 2: he has since formulated his own theory of what's actually

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Speaker 2: going on here, which of course conveniently absolves Trump of

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Speaker 2: any sort of responsibility here. But let's go ahead and

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Speaker 6: Obviously, there's none of the globalist wouldn't do to keep

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Speaker 6: this coming out.

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Speaker 7: They've already tried to kill Trump repeatedly, have they rolled over?

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Speaker 6: I see a lot of signs that, I mean, Trump's

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Speaker 6: points towards them using the information uh to uh control

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Speaker 6: the deep state. So meet the new boss, same as

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Speaker 6: the old boss. The who song won't get won't get

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Speaker 6: fooled again. This is gonna be an unmitigated disaster. I

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Speaker 6: don't know how they got Trump and the DJ to

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Speaker 6: do this, because the public is not buying it, no one,

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Speaker 6: no one is buying it. So I never saw any

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Speaker 6: evidence of Trump involved in any of the stuff that

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Speaker 7: It was all fake.

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Speaker 6: The fake Jane does all the all the crap, you know,

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Speaker 6: Egene Caro, all the crazy leftist cat lady, all of it.

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Speaker 6: So now by coming in and being part of the

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Speaker 6: cover up, the trumpministration has.

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Speaker 7: Become part of it. I mean, it's just you.

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Speaker 6: You cannot see it any other way. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: I just got to the office. I'm gonna go throw up. Actually,

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Speaker 6: and as only happens every few years when something really

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Speaker 6: gonna you probably right now.

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Speaker 7: My mouth is watering right now because because I have integrity, and.

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Speaker 6: You know, I just really need the Trudministration to succeed

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Speaker 6: and to save this country, and they're doing so much

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Speaker 7: Then for them to do something like this terrors my

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Speaker 6: And you know, the left, they're all complicit, They're open

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Speaker 6: to promoting pedophilia. We know they're pure evil, and they'll

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Speaker 6: think it's all funny. Oh look, Alex is sad Mauga's

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Speaker 6: tearing itself apart. Your globoust masters literally want you to

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Speaker 6: eat bugs and live in a five g tow hundred

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Speaker 6: square foot coffin apartment. Look at the left. Look at

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Speaker 6: them all supposing with their visor shots looking like dead zombies.

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Speaker 7: I mean, come on, you guys are.

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Speaker 6: Sick, and so you shouldn't look at those of us

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Speaker 6: that have a soul still and have integrity in pain

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Speaker 6: over this and celebrate, you dumb pieces of fucking shit.

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Speaker 2: So his new theory he had on the sky that

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Speaker 2: says the Epstein case is being covered up by intelligence

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Speaker 2: groups to protect Western agencies there also seems to be

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Speaker 2: from him and a bunch of others. By the way,

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Speaker 2: lame shifting onto Pam Bondi, as if you know she's

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Speaker 2: doing this, just freelancing on her own with no input

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Speaker 2: But what do you make of Alex's reaction there?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's understandable that it's so heavy and emotional, because

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people maybe who don't pay

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Speaker 5: appreciation for how central this has been to their entire worldview.

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Speaker 5: This is not like just some isolated little sex scandal

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Speaker 5: they believe was the key to understanding essentially how all

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Speaker 3: To get the truth.

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Speaker 5: And again the fact that it was the very people

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Speaker 5: all of this was going to be exploded in the open,

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Speaker 5: there's a client list. They were saying, there's a client list,

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Speaker 5: why aren't we seeing it. It's impossible for even these

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Speaker 3: It's just the betrayal is too is.

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Speaker 5: Too glaring and blatant, and yes, they're going to try

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Speaker 5: and distract attention from Trump himself and put it on

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Speaker 5: people like Pam Bondi or whatever. But at the end

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Speaker 5: he has the ability to fire her at any moment,

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Speaker 5: and he won't over this for sure, and some kind

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Speaker 2: Well, not only that actually puts C two up on

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Speaker 2: the screen here. So initially Pam Bondi and Cash Motel

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Speaker 2: Social and praises Cash Motel and Dan Bongino, saying that,

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Speaker 2: you know, after they close this case, they're getting back

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Speaker 2: to the basics locking up criminal cleaning up America's streets.

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Speaker 2: So you know, makes it difficult for people to argue that, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's Cash Battel and it's Stan Bongino, who are the

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Speaker 2: so much blame now on too, Pam Bondi because she

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Speaker 2: has not gotten the overt Trump seal of approval in

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Speaker 2: the wake of this nothing to see here on the

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein case, right.

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Speaker 3: And you know that's going to come.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Trump doesn't care about the Epstein files, as

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Speaker 5: you said he would kind of. There was an interview

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Speaker 2: Hell, especially given Elon Musk is threatening to you know,

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Speaker 4: That was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, they'll find a way ultimately

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Speaker 2: It is partisan behavior, and I think that's a fair point.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this, I think is a complicated conversation. I

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Speaker 5: would suggest Obama did have that, especially in his first term.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the amount of faith and trust and love

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Speaker 5: and reverence and deference to him among Democrats and liberals

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Speaker 5: in general.

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Speaker 3: Was extremely strong.

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Speaker 5: I think there was a lot of that around George

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Speaker 5: Bush to you, especially after nine to eleven. So I'm not

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Speaker 5: quite convinced that it's stronger among MAGA and I actually

445
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Speaker 5: do think that, you know, with Iran, for example, you

446
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Speaker 5: did have some very prominent Trump allies, starting with Tucker Carlson,

447
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Speaker 5: but a lot of other people who well who from

448
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Speaker 5: the beginning were saying, you cannot do this as the

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Speaker 5: betrayal of America first, they were saying during the war,

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Speaker 5: they're now saying it. Still a lot of people questioning

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Speaker 5: Trump's relationship with Israel.

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Speaker 3: How is that America first?

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Speaker 5: But I think you're right on the level of, like

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Speaker 5: the average normy Trump supporter is very inclined to trust

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Speaker 5: him and not question him. But I think on the

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Speaker 5: level of kind of more influential pundits. There are at

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Speaker 5: least some of them who do push back pretty assertively,

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Speaker 5: and you even showed some clips of.

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Speaker 3: Them doing that now with Epstein, like wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: what is this?

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Speaker 2: And yes, but they're never never on him. It's always

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Speaker 2: Pambondi's fault. It's always the deep state's fault. It's always

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Speaker 2: somebody else. And you know what like Steve Bannon for example,

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Speaker 2: and Tucker in that even in that interview with Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was extraordinary, the way he would position it,

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Speaker 2: and I understand why he does it because it's like, tactically,

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Speaker 2: you can't trample on Trump's ego or else you're going

468
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Speaker 2: to be dead to him or you go to lose influence, right,

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Speaker 2: And the way that he positioned it was what not

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Speaker 2: bombing Iran is the true reflection of what Trump really

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Speaker 2: wants and what he's really a third and so if

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Speaker 2: he doesn't go in that direction, then there's he must

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Speaker 2: know something we don't. You know, we're I actually haven't

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Speaker 2: seen them particularly critical of the bombing of Iran after

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Speaker 2: the fact, I've seen them moving on to other things.

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Speaker 2: I've seen, you know, Steve Bannon even before Trump decided

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Speaker 2: to Bombaran, saying, listen, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: if he bombs them, we're all going to get back

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Speaker 2: on board.

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Speaker 4: So and you know, there's no.

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Speaker 2: Secret why, because if you do disagree with him and

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Speaker 2: criticize him personally directly, that's it. You're dead to him,

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Speaker 2: and your influence is going to be toasted. You're going

484
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Speaker 2: to end up like Liz Cheney or you know, any

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Speaker 2: one of the other sort of exiled former Republicans who

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Speaker 2: dared to say negative things about specifically the person of

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean again, I do think that a lot

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Speaker 5: of presidents look at the world that way, Like if

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Speaker 5: you openly criticize them, republicly criticize them, they start to get.

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Speaker 3: Really angry, I think.

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Speaker 5: But you know, like we were taught, we chatted briefly

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Speaker 5: before we began about the mena who visit and I

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Speaker 5: were saying, like, nobody is more easily manipulated Trump, And

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Speaker 5: so if you're somebody who actually cares about not just

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Speaker 5: opining but having influence, you want to formulate what you're

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Speaker 5: saying in a way that's likely to appeal to Trump.

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Speaker 5: So a lot of these neocons, we're saying America First

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Speaker 5: means being strong and showing the world that we will

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Speaker 5: take action. That's America First, and you know, playing on

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Speaker 5: his ego that way, and other people are saying America

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Speaker 5: first means we don't go to wars for Israel or

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Speaker 5: for other countries, always trying to get Trump to say,

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Speaker 5: you laid out this brilliant philosophy, and the way that

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Speaker 5: you align with it is by doing what I want

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Speaker 5: or the other person says what I want.

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Speaker 3: I think that's just being strategic.

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Speaker 5: I think that's being mindful of trying to exert influence

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Speaker 5: rather than just being on the outside throwing rocks.

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Speaker 3: Like the Elon Musk is now left to do. So

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Speaker 3: I get your point.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, there's a ton of people who are hacks, who

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Speaker 5: are willing to go to bat for Trump no matter what,

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Speaker 5: and who will do so here as well. I'm just

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Speaker 5: a little bit doubtful that it's worse than other previous presidents,

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Speaker 5: especially ones with very strong kind of personal charisma like

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Speaker 5: Obama had, who I think did inspire some more things.

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Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, whether it's more

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Speaker 5: or less or whatever, I agree with you that directionally,

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Speaker 5: that is what's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's talk about some of the people

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Speaker 2: and the company specifically that has done very well under

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration is clearly playing this game very effectively,

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Speaker 2: and that would be Palenteer and some of the affiliated

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Speaker 2: personalities around that, including billionaire Peter Teal. Let's put this

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Speaker 2: up on the screen to sort of set the stage.

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Speaker 2: I think this is still the case that Palenteer is

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Speaker 2: the top. It's certainly one of the top stock performers

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Speaker 2: in the Trump two point zero era. It has soared

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Speaker 2: seventy four percent this year alone, no surprise. There's you know,

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Speaker 2: all sorts of linkages first of all, between Palenteer and

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Speaker 2: this government, including through the Vice President jad Vance, and

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Speaker 2: also they have been a beneficiary of significant contracts from

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Speaker 2: the federal government. This is something that you have covered extensively.

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Speaker 2: I also want to get your reaction to some recent

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Speaker 2: comments from Peter Tiel is a billionaire investor in Palentteer specifically.

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Speaker 2: But before we get to that, you've done such great

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Speaker 2: reporting on Palenteer and on this relationship and on what

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Speaker 2: it means for individuals and privacy in this country moving forward.

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Speaker 2: So if you could just lay on a little bit

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Speaker 2: of what you've found here for people, I would love

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Speaker 2: to have you explain some of that.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 5: So in March, on March twenty, exactly two months after

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Speaker 5: being inaugurated, Trump issued an executive order basically consolidating all

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Speaker 5: data and intelligence that every individual agency collects under the

547
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Speaker 5: auspices of Palenteer, essentially saying, Palenteer will be the kind

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Speaker 5: of overseer technologically to make sure that this information doesn't

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Speaker 5: remain siloed. I actually prefer that information be siloed when

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Speaker 5: the government collects it about us, because then it becomes

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Speaker 5: more protected and less capable of creating this comprehensive picture

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Speaker 5: of us. But this executive order basically destroyed any of

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Speaker 5: this attempt to keep it isolated. You know, here's finetional

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Speaker 5: information with the IRS, here's you know, health information with

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Speaker 5: HHS or CDC, here's other stuff.

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Speaker 3: With Homeland Security.

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Speaker 5: It's all now being consolidated under Palenteer, under the justification

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Speaker 5: that it's necessary to track illegal immigrants, is necessary to

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Speaker 5: attract criminals. And you know the interesting thing here, Crystal

560
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Speaker 5: is back in two thousand and two, there was this

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Speaker 5: really creepy agency that was created under Donald Rumsfeld called

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Speaker 5: the Total Awareness Information Office. Total Awareness Information It was

563
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Speaker 5: led by John Poindexter, a big figure in Regulant Bush

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Speaker 5: and that was when Pollanteer was founded in two thousand

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Speaker 5: and two, and one of the first things it did

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Speaker 5: was met with Poindexter and tried to convince him that

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Speaker 5: Pallenteer was situated Peter Teel and Alex krpro the Alex

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Speaker 5: Trputell runs it to oversee this Total Information Awareness Department,

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Speaker 5: to basically be the sole contractor that has the sophistication

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Speaker 5: and technology necessary to collect it all, analyze it all,

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Speaker 5: put it in one place. Even in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 5: the phrase total information awareness was too creepy. It was

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Speaker 5: a bridge too far. It never really happened. We know

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Speaker 5: it eventually happened. That was this note in reporting. But

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Speaker 5: now it's happening even more aggressively, all under one specific contractor, Palatiner,

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Speaker 5: who was run by not just founded by Peter Tiel

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Speaker 5: and a billionaire investor, but run by Alex Karp, who

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Speaker 5: has some of the most twisted, sociopathic views of the

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Speaker 5: world of what American power should be about, how it

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Speaker 5: should be exercised of anyone I've ever seen, and for

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Speaker 5: a movement, the Trump movement MAGA, that claimed to be

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Speaker 5: so alarmed by deep state power, by unconstrained spying domestically

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Speaker 5: on American citizens, to watch this consolidation all under one

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Speaker 5: company in the name of obviously keeping us safe, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: The same thing the Patriot Act and all the other

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Speaker 5: weren't receive dropping programs that we were subjected to was

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Speaker 5: ushered in on that same justification. It is alarming in

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Speaker 5: the extreme, but I understand why it's not being talked

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Speaker 5: about that much because it is a little bit complicated.

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Speaker 5: You have to dig into these orders to how the

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Speaker 5: government is structured. But Palenteer is a very dangerous menace

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Speaker 5: to essentially all of our basic rights, and the power

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Speaker 5: that they have now is at the highest peak.

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Speaker 2: Another story that you highlighted that I'd like for you

595
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Speaker 2: to dig into for people a little bit is the

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Speaker 2: Army turned four big tech executives, including one from Pollenteer,

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Speaker 2: I believe, into officers, and so you had this direct

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Speaker 2: merging of the world of big tech with the military,

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Speaker 2: like direct merchic. And of course we're not Pollyanna here.

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Speaker 2: We know how close and symbiotic that relationship is. We

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Speaker 2: talk a lot about the military industrial complex. This seems

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Speaker 2: to me to be another level, and it didn't get

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Speaker 2: nearly the attention that it deserved.

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Speaker 3: There's so interesting.

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Speaker 5: I of course have been very critical of some of

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Speaker 5: the excesses of democratic rhetoric when it comes to Trump.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're throwing around the word fascism.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people throw that word around

609
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Speaker 5: without ever giving much thought to what it.

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Speaker 3: Actually is and what it means.

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Speaker 5: One of the defining hallmarks though a fascism, if you

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Speaker 5: study it, you know, like in a scarlely way, as

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Speaker 5: developed by Mussolini or whatever, is the merging of stage

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Speaker 5: and the private sector all for one unified cause. So

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Speaker 5: there's no tension between the private and the public sector.

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Speaker 5: It's all one nation, everything merged for some national purpose.

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Speaker 5: And so to take the top executives a pollunteer, open AI,

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Speaker 5: META and several others and commission them into the US

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Speaker 5: Army as lieutenant colonels.

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Speaker 3: So they now have an oath to serve the military.

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Speaker 5: They talk openly and proudly about how they now have

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Speaker 5: this obligation to do so well at the same time

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Speaker 5: running the companies that are collecting all this data about

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Speaker 5: us that are developing AI in ways we really don't

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Speaker 5: fully understand, and not just you know, having a partnership

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Speaker 5: between public and private, but there is always some tension still,

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Speaker 5: but actually a formal explicit integration, not saying the commissioning

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Speaker 5: of these all these five guys, that's a big deal

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Speaker 5: in and of itself, but it's very illustrative of the

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Speaker 5: trend in which this is going, where there is really

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Speaker 5: no separation, there's no tension, there's no impediment. Everything is

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Speaker 5: sort of being like elo and utilize for this unified

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Speaker 5: national vision, and that is a hallmarkt Fascism is always

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Speaker 5: classically studied and understood.

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Speaker 2: I'd love for you to elaborate a little bit on that, Glenn,

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Speaker 2: because I think you're someone who weighs your words carefully,

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Speaker 2: and so for you to say that, I think is

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Speaker 2: you know, extraordinary, and it's obviously not a word that

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Speaker 2: you have just thrown around to your willy nilly. And

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Speaker 2: so not only do you have that merging of you know,

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Speaker 2: corporations with the military, you have the shipping of people

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Speaker 2: with no due process to Seecott. You have the calling

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Speaker 2: up of the National Guard in LA thousands of troops

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Speaker 2: the deployment of the Marines in Lami. There aren't even

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Speaker 2: anti It's protests there anymore, Like the pretext of that

646
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Speaker 2: is just preposterous. You have the kidnapping of college students

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Speaker 2: who dared to say, you know, write an op ed

648
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Speaker 2: that was critical of Israel and holding them on grounds

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Speaker 2: that are you know, protextual and basic assault on the

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Speaker 2: First Amendment that are extraordinary. You now have an effort

651
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Speaker 2: to target actually naturalized citizens as well and to denaturalize them.

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Speaker 2: Those are just some of the things you know, that

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Speaker 2: we could throw ount there that seem to be, you know,

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Speaker 2: fascistic in nature. How are you thinking about this administration

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Speaker 2: and that conversation about whether this is this administration is

656
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Speaker 2: pushing at its core of fascist ideology.

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Speaker 5: One of the problems I've had with the way Democrats

658
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Speaker 5: often think about Trump is I think people tried to

659
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Speaker 5: depict him as some radical aberration from the American tradition,

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Speaker 5: Whereas to me, he always has just been a natural extension.

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Speaker 3: Of everything that came before.

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Speaker 5: So everything that you're describing here, all these powers of

663
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Speaker 5: deprivations of due process and denials of free speech, this

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Speaker 5: just didn't appear when Trump got inaugurated.

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Speaker 3: These are things that have their roots.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there was a censorship program that the Biden

667
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Speaker 5: administration practiced very aggressively to coerce and pressure and threatned

668
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Speaker 5: big tech companies to remove the scent. A lot of

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Speaker 5: the due processed deprivations go back to the War on Terror,

670
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Speaker 5: which never went away.

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Speaker 3: This was never dismantled.

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Speaker 5: This machinery that was constructed after nine to eleven that

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Speaker 5: we were just talking about, the intelligence surveillance state didn't disappear,

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Speaker 5: even though we unveiled it and uncovered it after Snowden,

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Speaker 5: so that foundations have been laid on a very bipartisan basis.

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Speaker 5: That said, I have been very vocal about many of

677
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Speaker 5: the genuinely grave attacks on core liberties, and now instead

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Speaker 5: of justifying it in the name of terrorism, it's gypidly

679
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Speaker 5: justified in the name of immigration, but also still terrorism

680
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Speaker 5: when it comes to people who are accused of terrorist

681
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Speaker 5: group alignment or allegiance simply because they're criticizing Israel. So

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Speaker 5: a lot of this has long extensions over the last

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Speaker 5: twenty five years of both parties, but it's kind of

684
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Speaker 5: on steroids now because the project of the Trump administration

685
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Speaker 5: in the transition was to figure out what they did

686
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Speaker 5: wrong in the first term that made them too weak,

687
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Speaker 5: and to eliminate all constraints on their ability to do

688
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Speaker 5: what the president wanted. And I think they actually did

689
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Speaker 5: a much better job than a lot of people assumed

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Speaker 5: they were capable of doing. And you're seeing the manifestations

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Speaker 5: of that in ways that I do consider extremely alarming.

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Speaker 2: I think that's all very I think that's all very

693
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Speaker 2: well said, and the putting on steroids of the previous

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Speaker 2: trends is certainly the way that I view this administration

695
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Speaker 2: as well. Not to say, I mean, if you look

696
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Speaker 2: at the one big beautiful bill, right the priorities there

697
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Speaker 2: of gutting the social safety net to give a giant

698
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Speaker 2: tax cut to the rich while funding a massive expansion

699
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Speaker 2: of like the surveillance.

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Speaker 4: State and national security.

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Speaker 2: That is at home with any Republican administration in my

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Speaker 2: entire lifetime, and some of the Democratic ones as well.

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Speaker 2: But the extent that they take it to both with

704
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Speaker 2: that and the assault on liberties is what to me

705
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Speaker 2: puts them in somewhat of a different category than the

706
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Speaker 2: things that I've seen previously in my lifetime. I do

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Speaker 2: want to get your reaction to these Peter Teal clips

708
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Speaker 2: that have been circulated. This is from a Rowstout that

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Speaker 2: interview last week. And the reason that Peter Teal is

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Speaker 2: important is not only because he is a billionaire, but

711
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Speaker 2: he is someone who is very influential. He is very ideological,

712
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Speaker 2: he is very influential specifically in terms of this administration.

713
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Speaker 2: So this is a person that you really should be

714
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Speaker 2: listening to the things that he has to say. And

715
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Speaker 2: so Dalta asked him some pretty interesting questions. Peter Thiel

716
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Speaker 2: has been talking about his view of how the Antichrist

717
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Speaker 2: might arise, and his theory is effectively that someone like

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Speaker 2: a Greta Tunberg as the example he specifically uses, would

719
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Speaker 2: come in and claim that they're trying to save us

720
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Speaker 2: all and you know, create peace and safety and unity

721
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Speaker 2: and save us in this instance, from the climate crisis,

722
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Speaker 2: and they would use that as a way to create

723
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Speaker 2: a totalitarian, one world government, and that would be how

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Speaker 2: we get the rise of the Antichrist. And Dalta sort

725
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Speaker 2: of flips that on him and says, well, isn't it

726
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Speaker 2: possible that the tools you are creating and helping to

727
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Speaker 2: create through entities like Palenteer, for mass surveillance. Isn't it

728
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Speaker 2: possible that that could be the means by which the

729
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Speaker 2: anti Christ rises. Let's go ahead and take a listen.

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Speaker 2: This is D two to that exchange.

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Speaker 10: My very specific question for you, right is this, Well,

732
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Speaker 10: you're you're you're you're an investor in AI. You're you know,

733
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Speaker 10: you're deeply invested in Palenteer, in military technology and technologies

734
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Speaker 10: of surveillance and technologies of warfare and so on, right,

735
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Speaker 10: And it just seems to me that when you tell

736
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Speaker 10: me a story about the Antichrist coming to power and

737
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Speaker 10: using the fear of technological change to sort of impose

738
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Speaker 10: order on the world, I feel like that Antichrist would

739
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Speaker 10: be maybe be using the tools that you that you

740
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Speaker 10: were that you were building, right, Like, wouldn't the Antichrist

741
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Speaker 10: be like, great, you know, we're not going to have

742
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Speaker 10: any more technological progress, but I really like what Palenteer

743
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Speaker 10: has done so far. Right, Isn't that isn't that a concern?

744
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Speaker 10: Wouldn't that be the you know, the irony of history

745
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Speaker 10: would be that the man publicly worrying about the Antichrist

746
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Speaker 10: accidentally hastens his or her arrival.

747
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Speaker 11: They're all look, they are all these different scenario. I

748
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Speaker 11: obviously don't think that that's what I'm doing.

749
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Speaker 10: I mean to be clear, I don't think that's I

750
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Speaker 10: don't think that's what you're doing either. I'm just interested

751
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Speaker 10: in how you get to will a world willing to

752
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Speaker 10: submit to permanent authoritarian rule will.

753
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Speaker 11: But but again, uh, there are these different gradations of

754
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Speaker 11: this week can describe. But is this so preposterous what

755
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Speaker 11: I've just told you as a broad account of the

756
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Speaker 11: stagnation that the entire world has submitted for fifty years

757
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Speaker 11: to peace and safetyism? This is a first Thessalonians five three.

758
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Speaker 11: The slogan of the Antichrist is peace and safety.

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Speaker 4: So, Glenn, what did you make of that answer?

760
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Speaker 2: And what do you personally put the odds at that

761
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Speaker 2: Peter Teel is himself the anti Christ.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if you were to force me

763
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Speaker 5: to place my money in a casino on any one

764
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Speaker 5: individual of the eight billion people on Earth being the Antichrist,

765
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Speaker 5: he would be one of the top two or.

766
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Speaker 3: Three people I might consider.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, same, But I do think yeah. But you know,

768
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Speaker 5: there was another there was an interesting part, another intriging

769
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Speaker 5: part that's very related, where I'm sure you saw this,

770
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Speaker 5: and I actually did like a twenty twenty five minutes

771
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Speaker 5: to someone out we do a Q and am Friday

772
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Speaker 5: next one asked me about it.

773
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Speaker 3: I did like a twenty five minute response on it

774
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Speaker 3: where Ross.

775
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Speaker 5: Ter pat asked him do you actually favor the continuation

776
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Speaker 5: of the human species? Like do you favor the survival

777
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Speaker 5: of humanity as it is? And he basically was saying no.

778
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Speaker 5: He refused to say yes. He was stuttering around, like,

779
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Speaker 5: you know, way more than he usually does. It wasn't

780
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Speaker 5: like an autistic stuttering. It was like, really he was

781
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Speaker 5: struggling with that question. And Ross like, that's a very

782
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Speaker 5: basic question that should be an easy yes, Like I'm

783
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Speaker 5: asking you should humanity survive? And he basically described this

784
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Speaker 5: trans Yeah, yeah, that's something we should all have. That's

785
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: like the warm up question that I think we should

786
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: all be able to answer quickly. But he couldn't because

787
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Speaker 5: he has this very transhumanistic vision that is shared by

788
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Speaker 5: a lot of Soilicon valley tycoons like him. They basically

789
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Speaker 5: view themselves as transcendent beings, as kind of the ubermens.

790
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Speaker 5: And there's a lot of reasons why billionaires become accustomed

791
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Speaker 5: to thinking that way. They're surrounded by people who treat

792
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Speaker 5: them that way, they have the kind of power that

793
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Speaker 5: makes them believe that they're uniquely capable of doing that.

794
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 5: Mark Zuckerberg talking to Rogan Show about merging technology and

795
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Speaker 5: robots and artificial intelligence with humanity to create a different

796
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Speaker 5: form of human, a superior form of human, And a

797
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 5: lot of them have this vision that is essentially, in

798
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Speaker 5: my view, so anti human. It's like a kind of

799
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Speaker 5: vision where our efficiency and our utility is going to

800
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Speaker 5: be maximized, even if it means the elimination of all

801
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Speaker 5: the things that we think about as being the essence

802
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 5: of humanity in a way that would destroy whatever you

803
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Speaker 5: think about, is the soul or the spirit or whatever.

804
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Speaker 5: So I want to talk about the Antichrist and coming

805
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Speaker 5: and attacking humanity with the intention of destroying it. I

806
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Speaker 5: do agree with Ross's premise that it seems like a

807
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 5: lot of what Peter Teel is doing is way more

808
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Speaker 5: likely than say Greta Bundberg, who has spent the last

809
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Speaker 5: eighteen months protesting the genocide in Gaza and not very

810
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Speaker 5: antichrist like to me, in order to do that. And

811
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Speaker 5: I think the fact that you know, obviously the Antichrist

812
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Speaker 5: comes and poses as a noble and benevolent figure, and

813
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Speaker 5: there he is saying safetyism. The whole point of volunteers

814
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Speaker 5: based on safetyism. Let us spy on you to keep

815
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Speaker 5: you safe. Like the projection there is so remarkable.

816
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Speaker 2: Well, and also actually put D four up on the

817
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Speaker 2: screen here, guys, because you know he's he's invested in

818
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Speaker 2: AI and they haven't almost.

819
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Speaker 4: I shouldn't even say almost.

820
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Speaker 2: They have a religious belief around what AI will do

821
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Speaker 2: for the world and will do for you know, effectuating

822
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Speaker 2: this outcome of transhumanism and allowing them to live forever,

823
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Speaker 2: like they are literally God's you know, it's complete with

824
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Speaker 2: like you know, the story of redemption and forces of

825
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Speaker 2: evil that are trying to stop them, and they are

826
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Speaker 2: in the driver's seat. In terms of the direction of

827
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Speaker 2: AI regulation or lack thereof, you can see here that

828
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Speaker 2: Americans are deeply opposed to just letting a rip with AI.

829
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Speaker 2: This is overwhelmingly bipartisan sentiment of like, we need to

830
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Speaker 2: be thinking about what all of this means. And even

831
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Speaker 2: if you don't subscribe to some of the more apocalyptic

832
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Speaker 2: possibilities of basically like the AI taking over and like

833
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Speaker 2: killing us all, there is going to be significant. There

834
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Speaker 2: is already significant disruption from these technologies, and people like

835
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Speaker 2: Til have made themselves, you know, very influential in this administration.

836
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Speaker 2: And again the alignance with with jdie Vance I think

837
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Speaker 2: is very significant.

838
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Speaker 4: Here as well.

839
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Speaker 2: They have really gotten what they've wanted in terms of

840
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Speaker 2: we're just gonna race forward with this thing. We'll figure

841
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Speaker 2: out the consequences later. We got to beat China, China's

842
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Speaker 2: developing AI, we got to be to get to artificial

843
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Speaker 2: general intelligence. And it's very much at odds with how

844
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Speaker 2: the vast majority of Americans want this to be approached.

845
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Speaker 2: And in teals ideology, he talks a lot about stagnation.

846
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Speaker 2: He has this view that we've sort of like stagnated

847
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Speaker 2: technologically and we haven't been innovating in the way that

848
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Speaker 2: we previously had, in this sort of transformative way. And

849
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Speaker 2: I haven't thought that deeply about it, you know, to

850
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Speaker 2: say whether I think that is true or false. But

851
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Speaker 2: as an antidote to that, he believes that we should

852
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Speaker 2: just race forward with this technology, come what may, and

853
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: has this and again I don't think this is just

854
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Speaker 2: Peter Teel. He's very influential, but many of these Silicon

855
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Speaker 2: Valley Titans have this same view that effectively, you know,

856
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Speaker 2: there's a you know, there's there's a faith, like a

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Speaker 2: religious faith, that this technology is what we have to

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Speaker 2: pursue and it's going to actually create this bounty in

859
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Speaker 2: this sort of utopia that they have in their minds.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with you.

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Speaker 5: If they have this utopian vision of what AI is,

862
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Speaker 5: that is obviously in their interest to foster and perpetuate

863
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Speaker 5: because of how heavily invested they are in it, and

864
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Speaker 5: because they're the masters of the AI, so they want

865
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Speaker 5: to get people to believe that it will just lead

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Speaker 5: to bount the full, abundant, loving futures for all of us.

867
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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of propaganda with that. But you know,

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Speaker 5: also one of the reasons why I'm so concerned, and

869
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Speaker 5: I do think, I know, I'm very of many minds

870
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 5: about AI.

871
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: I want to understand it better.

872
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 5: I want to you know, really, I don't think any

873
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 5: of us really understand it, including the people who are

874
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 5: unleashing it correct and I think that we need debates

875
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 5: about what kind of safeguards are needed. The problem is

876
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 5: that it's not just what you've described, which is this

877
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 5: kind of transhumanistic narcissism that the people in control of

878
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 5: this technology possess and really do believe in as a

879
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 5: religious faith. But it's also the competitive aspect, you know,

880
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 5: as nation states. Now we're told, oh, China has it,

881
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 5: and China does have it at least is advanced as

882
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 5: the United States has. And that was that deep seek

883
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 5: trauma to the American mind that it seems like they

884
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 5: even might be ahead of us in terms of the technology.

885
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 5: And so the idea then becomes, well, if we limit it,

886
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 5: the Chinese never would, or the Iranians ever would.

887
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: All the bad people are the terrorists, never would.

888
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 5: And that is the really that to me is the

889
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 5: biggest danger, this idea that far own survival. We can't

890
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 5: really allow any limits on AI because if we place

891
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 5: limits on and others want and they will come to

892
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 5: dominate us. Trump named as AI zar David Sachs, who's

893
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 5: one of the co founders of PayPal with Peter Tiel.

894
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 5: He was the chief financial officer. I know David pretty well.

895
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 5: You know, he's I think there's I don't think he's

896
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 5: like this Bond villain, but he definitely is somebody who

897
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 5: really believes in the urgency of going forward with AI.

898
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 5: Trump believes in that, everyone around him believes that, and

899
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: we're barreling toward the future, which I don't think people

900
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 5: really understand without any kind of contemplation or debate for all,

901
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 5: because all the incentives of the powerful people are to

902
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 5: just barrel forward with it and have it unleashed with

903
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 5: zero restraints of any kind, or even debate about whether

904
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 5: we should allow that to happen.

905
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Glenn, last question I have for you, and thank

906
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Speaker 2: you for being generous with your time this morning, is

907
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, I have long thought that we shouldn't have billionaires,

908
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: that billionaires are sort of inconsistent with the democratic society

909
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: because when you do amass that amount of wealth, the

910
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: amount of commensurate power and disconnect from just like what

911
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: ordinary people are going through really does create a challenge.

912
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: It's almost an impossibility to have a truly sort of

913
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: like democratic representative society when you have that much money,

914
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: wealth and power concentrated in the hands of a few.

915
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: But if I had any doubts about that view, those

916
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: doubts have been swept aside by what I've seen in

917
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: this era of Trump two point. I mean, first, you

918
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: had Elon Musk buying, you know, buying his ability to

919
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: have this whole of government mandate through Doge, buying Twitter

920
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 2: and making it his personal playground for whatever it is

921
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: that he wants to do politically. At the moment, you've

922
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: had the spectr of Bill Ackman, who's out there right now,

923
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, workshopping in real time how to intervene and

924
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: get his candidate of choice and to think specifically Zora

925
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: On Mom Donnie, who won overwhelmingly in a Democratic primary,

926
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: and he's trying. He's out there saying, I've got hundreds

927
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars available to a candidate who wants

928
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: to come forward to try to defeat Zoron. You have

929
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: Peter Thiel, as we've been discussing, and you know the

930
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: influence of Palenteer and what that means for everyone in

931
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: the extraordinary access that he has, and you know the

932
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: links with David Zax and with Jade Vance, et cetera.

933
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: Where are you on this question of whether or not

934
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: billionaires should exist and are consistent with a democratic representative society.

935
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 5: Well, let me say this about that, which is there

936
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 5: was that Jora one interview where he said, I don't

937
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 5: think billionaire should exist, and everybody acted like you know,

938
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 5: that was like from the Red Book of Mao or

939
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 5: like you know, right out of Lenin. And if you

940
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 5: go back and look at the founders, you definitely were capitalists.

941
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 5: They didn't believe in it. I mean, there was no

942
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 5: of communism then, but they they believed in capitalism. They

943
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 5: were very wealthy, they were gand owners, et cetera, and

944
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 5: they wanted to preserve those those prerogatives economically that they

945
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: thought was the birthright. Nonetheless, they talked openly about how

946
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 5: if economic inequality becomes too severe, it will inevitably spill

947
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 5: over into political inequality and will undermine and subvert all

948
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 5: the principles they're trying to great of nobody being above

949
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 5: the law, of everybody being subjected to the same political rights.

950
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 5: And so this is you know, intrinsic in the idea

951
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 5: of the American Founding that yes, you're going to have

952
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: political equality and economic inequality, but if that economic inequality

953
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 5: becomes too grave too you know, lopsided, the political rights

954
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 5: will become purely illusory. And I think that's exactly what

955
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 5: we've been seeing and what we're seeing even more so now.

956
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: I mean it's hard I've gotten.

957
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 5: To know some millionaires, and I think that it's hard

958
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 5: to express what it does to people's minds.

959
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: You know, we've seen that with fame.

960
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 5: You know how people who get too famous, too wealthy,

961
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 5: end up sick and ill, and they I early because

962
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 5: it's just too much for the human brain to handle

963
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 5: being a Billionaire's that times a thousand, and to have

964
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 5: those people with that kind of mental outlook exerting almost

965
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 5: unlimited power in our democracy, nothing good can come from that.

966
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: I think that as well. Said Glenn, thank you so much.

967
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: Great to see you, my friend.

968
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: Always get to see Crystal.

969
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 4: Take care.

970
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: So we continue to keep our eyes on Texas, where

971
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: the death toll from those horrific floods there in the

972
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: Hill Country has risen now over one hundred. We still

973
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: have a number of people who continue to be missing

974
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: as the search and rescue effort now enters its fifth day.

975
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: At the same time as that effort is ongoing, and

976
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: as huge questions remain about what happened with the National

977
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: Weather Service about these vacancies, about whether the cuts to

978
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: the National Weather Service impacted the ability to properly forecast

979
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: this extraordinary event, whether it impacted the community warnings that

980
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: were received, but even as those questions persist, we now

981
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: have a new question as we entered this phase of recovery.

982
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 4: Christy Noan, of course the head of DHS.

983
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: FEMA is under DHS, and this administration has really aggressively

984
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: gone after FEMA. I mean, Trump has floated getting rid

985
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: of FEMA altogether, and they have sort of consistently pushed

986
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: this idea that a lot of the recovery efforts should be,

987
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: if not all of the recovery efforts should be pushed

988
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 2: to the States. So I wanted to start by focusing

989
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: in a little bit on Christy Noam here, whose role

990
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 2: is going to become increasingly significant. Let's take a listen

991
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: to some of her statements over the past several days

992
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: as she's been asked to respond to this tragedy and

993
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: potential federal government failures.

994
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 12: For decades, for years, everybody knows that the weather is

995
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 12: extremely difficult to predict, but also that the National Weather

996
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 12: Service over the years at times has done well. Times

997
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 12: we have all wanted more time and more warning and

998
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 12: more alerts and more notification. That is something and one

999
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 12: of the reasons that when President Trump took office that

1000
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 12: he said he wanted to fix and is currently upgrading

1001
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 12: the technology, and the National Weather Service has indicated that

1002
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 12: with that and Noah, that we needed to renew this

1003
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 12: ancient system that has been left in place with the

1004
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 12: federal government for many, many years. And that is the

1005
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 12: reforms that are ongoing. They continue to elevate and up

1006
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 12: their notifications. You know when your notification hit your phone, sir,

1007
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 12: I'm sorry I can't speak to when that is, but

1008
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 12: I do carry your concerns back to the federal government,

1009
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 12: to President Trump, and we will do all we can

1010
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 12: to fix those kinds of things that may have felt

1011
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 12: like a failure to you and to your community members.

1012
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 12: We know that everybody wants more warning time, and that's

1013
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 12: why we're working to upgrade the technologies have been neglected

1014
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 12: by far too long.

1015
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 2: So a couple things that she says there. First of all,

1016
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: she says, well, weather, it's hard to predict, true, but

1017
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: you know you would have a better shot at an

1018
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: accurate forecast if you didn't just have Doze take a

1019
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: chainsaw to the National Weather Service, something that was a

1020
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: plan that was laid out by the way in Project

1021
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. As Emily and I talked about yesterday.

1022
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: So this has been an ideological project of the conservative movement,

1023
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 2: not just of some you know, Elon Musk freelancing here.

1024
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 2: This was an intentional plan for two reasons. Number one,

1025
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: primarily two reasons. Number one, they just don't like the

1026
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: federal government and would like to privatize a lot of

1027
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: that weather collection weather forecasting.

1028
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 4: Number Two, they.

1029
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: Feel that the National Weather Service and NOAH are part

1030
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: of what they call the climate change alarm industry, and

1031
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: so since they're revealing data that is inconvenient for the

1032
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: narrative that climate change is fake and we don't need

1033
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: to do anything about it, they just want to take

1034
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: an ax to it. So she says, well, you know,

1035
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: weather forecasting is hard. Number one. The other thing she

1036
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 2: says there is that they're working on some new technology

1037
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: to improve the warning systems. People reporters and people who

1038
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: are familiar with these agencies said, we have no idea

1039
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: what she's talking about, Like this appears to maybe there's

1040
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: something we don't know about, but this appears to have

1041
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: just been made up to cover for the fact that

1042
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: what they've actually done is significantly degrade the capacity of

1043
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: this agency to be able to properly forecast and to

1044
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: be able to communicate those forecasts and those warnings to

1045
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: the community.

1046
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 4: So that was her cover up.

1047
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: As I said before, we are now shifting into a

1048
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: recovery phase, and so you had possible failures on the

1049
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: front end of the forecasting, the warning, the communications with

1050
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: the community, which we covered yesterday. Now you have questions

1051
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: a potential failure of the FEMA response, given that FEMA

1052
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: has also been severely degraded by this administration. Let's go

1053
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: ahead and put this is some independent reporting from an

1054
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: outlet called the Handbasket up on the screen who's been

1055
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: speaking with FEMA staffers about how this response is unfolding

1056
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: versus how under previous administrations the response would have unfolded.

1057
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: So the headline here is FEMA response to deadly Texas

1058
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: floods delayed and deficient, with Christinoum in charge and staffers

1059
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: are sounding the alarm. This reporter, Marissa Cavas says that

1060
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: disaster struck and then goes on to talk about how

1061
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: at this point, normally you would have hundreds of staffers

1062
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: on the ground from FEMA and that right now they

1063
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: have quote barely any staff that's been deployed, and the

1064
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: acting administrator, David Richardson is quote nowhere to be found

1065
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: per one source. If this is how they are going

1066
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: to do a major hurricane response, people are fucked. That's

1067
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: according to insiders at this agency, at FEMA, who say

1068
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: this is not going the way that it previously would

1069
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: have gone under other administrations that took disaster recovering war

1070
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: seriously and didn't have this ideological war on federal emergency management.

1071
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: So as the recovery unfolds, this is another thing we

1072
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: really need to keep an eye on and see how

1073
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: effective it ultimately is. We know that this administration has

1074
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: been in this instance, they put in the emergency declaration

1075
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: so people can apply for female assistance. In other instances,

1076
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: I covered these horrific floods in West Virginia, and unfortunately

1077
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: these extreme weather events, of course with climate change, are

1078
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: coming faster and more frequently and are more and more devastating,

1079
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: and they delayed for weeks that emergency declaration, which severely

1080
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: hobbled the ability people were struggling and suffering trying to

1081
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: put their life back together and recover from being able

1082
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: to get the assistance that they needed. In other cases,

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Speaker 2: I know in our case in Arkansas, Sara Huckabee Sanders

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00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: had to go and use her personal relationships, which fortunately

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: she can petition the king to go and beg for

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00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: that emergency declaration. So that has been a consistent pattern

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00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: not to mention the threats from this administration to effectively

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00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: weaponize federal emergency assistance against states like California where they

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00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 2: have a political beef. Now, Texas is one of the

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Speaker 2: states in the country that has the sort of largest,

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00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: most developed state response. So it's a relatively large state. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: they're familiar with natural disasters, including flooding. This an area

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00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: that is prone to flooding, although this is the worst

1094
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: flooding disaster anywhere in the country in a century or

1095
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 2: rivals some of the worst in a century. So Texas

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00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: does have some state resources to be able to respond.

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00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: But even in a place like Texas, you still are

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00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: very dependent on the federal government being able to come

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00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: in with money and staffing resources to be able to help.

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00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: So that is something to continue to watch for and

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00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: appreciate this report from the ground because I haven't seen

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00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: anyone else really talking to the staffers from the agency

1103
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: and getting the scoop on how this response compares to

1104
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: previous ones. At the same time, we had Caroline Levitt

1105
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: being pressed on questions of the administration's response and whether

1106
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: the cut to the National Weather Service here contributed to

1107
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: an increased loss of life. So more young girls, in

1108
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: particular dead because of these chainsaw cuts to the National

1109
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: Weather Service. And Noah, let's go ahead and take a

1110
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: listen to E three.

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00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 13: They gave out timely flash flood alerts, there were record

1112
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 13: breaking lead times in the lead up to this catastrophe.

1113
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 13: There is ongoing flood monitoring, and these offices were well staffed.

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00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 13: In fact, one of the offices was actually overstaffed. They

1115
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 13: had more people.

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00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: Than they need.

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00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 13: So any claim to the contrary is completely false. And

1118
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 13: it's just sad that people are pushing these lives.

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00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know what she's talking about there, because

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00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: those offices and the union that represents those workers say,

1121
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: and all of the reporting before prior to even this

1122
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: tragedy unfolded, says that these offices were understaff, that there

1123
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: were significant vacancies, and one in particular we talked about

1124
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: yesterday was the guy who was supposed to be you

1125
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: know who's meant to be in touch with the community

1126
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: and sort of spearheaded. That was a veteran that people

1127
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: area really knew and trusted, who had a lot of

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00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: depth of expertise. He took that fork in the road

1129
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: resignation offer, and because you have a blanket hiring freeze,

1130
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 2: that position has not been filled. So not only did

1131
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: you lose you sort of like pushed down this guy

1132
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: who was really impactful in the region, very knowledgeable in

1133
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: the region, exact sort of person that and now he's

1134
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: a private consultant, exact sort of person you actually want

1135
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: in federal government.

1136
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Speaker 4: Not only do you lose that guy, you don't replace

1137
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Speaker 4: him with anyone.

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00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: So you know there will be a lot of reporting

1139
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: in the days to come about the failures here on

1140
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: every level and whether those cuts had an impact, and

1141
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 2: whether or not we can pin down exactly whether there

1142
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: was an impact here or not. You have had significant

1143
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 2: warnings from all of the previous NWS heads who said,

1144
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: if you make these cuts, you are going to degrade

1145
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: the ability of the Weather Service to do job and

1146
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: it will lead to increased loss of life. So those

1147
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: warnings are there as we head into the peak of

1148
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: hurricane season. Last piece I have to get to here.

1149
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: This is so, this is wild. I don't even know

1150
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 2: what to say about this. Put you two up on

1151
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: the screen. Ted Cruz Senator from Texas, known previously as

1152
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: kang Kuon Ted because he was caught in Cankun while

1153
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: a horrible natural disaster was unfolding in Texas. I believe

1154
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: that was when they had the electricity loss, power loss

1155
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: and a deep freeze. People were literally freezing to death.

1156
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: And he was in cang Kun. Well, this time, as

1157
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: disaster strikes, he's in Greece, caught vacationing in Greece as

1158
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: these floods hit. Now you could say, okay, well, how

1159
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: could he know, right, He couldn't know in advance. This

1160
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: came on very rapidly. You would have no way of

1161
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: knowing in advance that these floods were coming and that

1162
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: it was going to be devastating loss of life. But

1163
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: not only did he there when it happened. Okay, we

1164
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: could forget that, but he stayed. He was caught by

1165
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: tourist root in the area, who snapped that photo of

1166
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 2: him sight seeing days after the floods had hit, as

1167
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: the search and recovery as effort was ongoing. So he

1168
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: apparently didn't leave his vacation in Greece until Sunday to

1169
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: come back. So just absolutely extraordinary. This man once again

1170
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: caught vacationing while his own residents and constituents, his own

1171
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: constituents suffered through one of the worst natural disasters, one

1172
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Speaker 2: of the worst flooding disasters that we have had in

1173
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: a century. All right, let's go ahead and turn to

1174
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: this unbelievable shocking images coming out.

1175
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 4: Of La with this ice raid.

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00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: All right, guys, so I was talking to Glenn Greenwald

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00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: earlier about whether this was a fascist administration or not,

1178
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: and we certainly had a performance of fascism in La

1179
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: Park that unfolded yesterday. Let's go ahead and put these

1180
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: images up on the screen of heavily armed military kidded

1181
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: out immigration agents, including some on horseback. You can see

1182
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: these sort of fortified vehicles rolling through the streets, sweeping

1183
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: through the park in what appears to have been and

1184
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: Ken Klippenstein was able to get leak documents as to

1185
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: the purpose of this operation.

1186
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 4: Appears to have.

1187
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: Been a show of force to demonstrate to La and

1188
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: to other cities and localities around the country that they

1189
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: can operate effectively with impunity wherever and whenever they want.

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Speaker 2: Mayor Karen Bass of LA came down to that park

1191
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Speaker 2: to confront agents and try to get them to leave.

1192
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a look at how that unfolded.

1193
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: Sort of a chaotic scene where she asked to talk

1194
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 2: to their boss and to tell them they needed to

1195
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: move on.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: My comment is.

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Speaker 2: Right now unknown at this time whether they actually even

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Speaker 2: made any arrests or whether it was purely just hey,

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Speaker 2: let's march through this park and show how big and

1201
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: bad we are for the cameras. Can put the La

1202
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: Times reporting up on the screen here of the way

1203
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: they covered it. Their headline is heavily armed immigration agents

1204
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: descend on MacArthur Park in LA they say. Dozens of

1205
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: immigration agents, some on horseback, others carrying rifles in armored

1206
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: vehicles swept through MacArthur Park on Monday in an extraordinary

1207
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: show of force at the heart of LA's immigrant community.

1208
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,479
Speaker 2: Heavily armored Border patrol officers with a fleet of white

1209
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: mini buses partially blocked the streets surrounding the park, which

1210
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: has become a source of crime and drugs in the

1211
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: area in the last few years. Activists with megaphones were

1212
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: able to warn locals at the park before the contingent arrived,

1213
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: according to police sources. The move comes days after President

1214
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: Trump signed a budget that will provide a mass infusion

1215
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: of funds to the Department of Homeland Security to ramp

1216
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: up its immigration enforcement to levels unseen before in the

1217
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: United States. LA has become the poster child of Trump's

1218
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: mass deportations plan, as more than sixteen hundred people have

1219
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: been arrested between June sixth and June twenty second. Go

1220
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: and put Ken Klippenstein's report here up on the screen

1221
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: because he actually got the leak documents of what this

1222
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: operation was truly intended to do. Great reporting here from

1223
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: Ken so he says exclusive Operation Excalibur in LA was

1224
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: a show of force. Leaks from the military's LA deployment

1225
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: reveal Coca Cola versus Pepsi rivalry, sweaty guardsman an abject failure.

1226
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: He goes on to write that today's homeland security operation

1227
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: was a mere show of presence. Internal Army documents I've

1228
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: obtained say ice and custom agents dressed in military garb

1229
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: assaulted the park, which the documents describe as a hot

1230
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: be of historic lawlessness and the founding location of MS thirteen.

1231
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: The Salvador and Gang.

1232
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Speaker 2: News media is describing the operation as an ominous crackdown,

1233
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: but National Guard sortes is tell me it was a

1234
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: botched laughing stock. The military aspect of the operation, code

1235
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: named Operation Excalibur, has not been previously reported. And there

1236
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: were some eight different I believe, federal government agencies. Let

1237
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: me see here, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

1238
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: eleven different agencies that were involved in this show of

1239
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: force in this LA park. They were all code named

1240
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: different colas. That's why he says the Coca Cola versus

1241
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: Pepsi rivalry. So the ATF was A and W, the

1242
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: CBP was Canada dry. You had the FBI was coke

1243
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: and the LAPD was Pepsi.

1244
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 4: So this mass operation to march through.

1245
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: The park and as I said before, effectively like demonstrate

1246
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: fascism for the cameras. You guys likely know the context

1247
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: in backstory here, as was indicated in the La Times article,

1248
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: LA has really become their sort of demonstration project of

1249
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: what mass deportation looks like. They love the fight with

1250
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: LA because you've got Karen Bass, a democratic mayor. You've

1251
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: got Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, and you had

1252
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: those anti ice protests which turned violent at times, with

1253
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: some throwing of water bottles a police officers, some torching

1254
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: of Waymo cars, some graffiti that is all over, but

1255
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: they use as a pretext to call up thousands of

1256
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: National guardsmen in a very legally dubious, by the way operation,

1257
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: and so they federalized the National Guard in California. Absolutely

1258
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: extraordinary action that we've just sort of like moved past

1259
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: because it's been so crazy everything else that has been

1260
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: going on. And not only that, not only did they

1261
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: federalize the National Guard, they also called up active duty

1262
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: Marines to come in to LA to deal with what

1263
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 2: ultimately was pretty run of the mill protests. Those National guardsmen,

1264
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: at least I'm not sure about the Marines.

1265
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 4: They are still there. They are still there instead.

1266
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: Of doing any of the many other things that they

1267
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: could be doing, including continuing the recovery from the horrific

1268
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: fires that you had in and around LA. So this

1269
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: is some of what they're doing with them mass show

1270
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: a force in a park, planning these operations, and according

1271
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: to Ken, you know, many of the National guardsmen that

1272
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: he was in contact with are humiliated by They say,

1273
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: this is this is an embarrassment, like this is not

1274
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: the way that we're supposed to be operating. There was also,

1275
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 2: you know, some indication that, oh, well, maybe they would

1276
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: have the National guardsmen start to cover their face and

1277
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: mask in the same way that the ICE agents have,

1278
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,439
Speaker 2: which has contributed to the sense of rogue lawlessness of

1279
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: that agency. You know, oftentimes they show up in plane clothes,

1280
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: those completely masked looks like a kidnapping indistinction. They won't

1281
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 2: identify themselves sometimes, won't show a warrant, won't indicate what

1282
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: law enforcement agency they're with, etc. So they wanted the

1283
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: National Guard to adopt some of those tactics, and apparently

1284
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: there was pushback on that because their view is we

1285
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 2: are in the community, we're meant to be here to

1286
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: help and serve our fellow Californians. And when you think

1287
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: about the typical assignments that they'd be receiving, things like

1288
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: helping out with recovery, that's the orientation that they are

1289
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: used to when they're engaging with fellow community members. So

1290
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: absolutely insane, and it does fit with broader plans from

1291
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: this administration, as announced by Tom Homan, who is, you know,

1292
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: spokesperson for the most aggressive enforcement and most aggressive and

1293
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 2: cruel tactics that this administration has deployed when it comes

1294
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 2: to mass deportation, and he's threatening these type of operations

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Speaker 2: everywhere in the country. And with the passage of the

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Speaker 2: funding from the One Big, Beautiful Bill, they are going

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Speaker 2: to have the resources to basically do whatever they want.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and play F five and take a

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Speaker 2: listen to Tom Homan.

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Speaker 14: President Trump said it, Turisko. We're going to double down,

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Speaker 14: triple down the sanctuary cities. Why not because they're a

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Speaker 14: blue city or booths tape, Because we know that's where

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Speaker 14: the problem is. So where we're going to send our assets.

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Speaker 14: We're want to send them where the problem is, sanctuary city.

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Speaker 14: So I've said it before, we'll flood the zone the

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Speaker 14: sanctuary cities. If they don't let us arrest a bad

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Speaker 14: guy in account of jail, they're going to rest them

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Speaker 14: in the community. We're going to wrest them at a

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Speaker 14: work site. So they're going to increase community operation. We're

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Speaker 14: going to increase work sale enforcement operation. We're going to

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Speaker 14: get the bad guys, so they don't want to help

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Speaker 14: get out of the way.

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Speaker 7: We're coming to do it.

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Speaker 4: We're coming to do it. Flood the zone.

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Speaker 2: And you know what he's saying there about going after

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Speaker 2: immigrants at job sites, it's actually really significant, has major

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Speaker 2: implications for the distance between their rhetoric about immigrants and

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Speaker 2: the reality of who immigrants are and the type of

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Speaker 2: operations that are being conducted here. Because there has been

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Speaker 2: a Stephen Miller directed focus on job sites and places

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Speaker 2: like the home depot, that means that you have fewer

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Speaker 2: resources actually to go after the genuine criminals. Because it's

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Speaker 2: easy to just roll up on a home depot. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot more difficult to find and locate and identify

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Speaker 2: gang members who aren't just going to be there hanging

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Speaker 2: out at the home depot. So if you're shifting resources

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Speaker 2: towards we're going to chase down farm workers in the field,

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Speaker 2: we're going to go to the home depot, We're going

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Speaker 2: to go to the garment factors was another place that

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Speaker 2: they went in LA that helped to kick off those

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Speaker 2: anti ice protests. That means you're focused on that regular,

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Speaker 2: most often law abiding immigrants who may or may not

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Speaker 2: be documented and there's also been a lot of racial

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Speaker 2: profiling here. You're focused on that and you are actually

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Speaker 2: not focused on resources on finding an identify, flying and

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Speaker 2: tracking criminals. So that is the effect of what these

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Speaker 2: policies have really meant. Let's talk a little bit about

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Speaker 2: the ICE funding, which is just it's hard to wrap

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Speaker 2: your head around the amount of resources that are about

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Speaker 2: to flood into this rogue, lawless agency. Put this up

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Speaker 2: on the screen, comparing the ICE budget, and again this

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Speaker 2: is not all of immigration enforcement.

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Speaker 4: This is just ICE.

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Speaker 2: Thirty seven point five billion dollars. Now it will be

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Speaker 2: bigger than most of the world's militaries, so rivaling the

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Speaker 2: military here of Canada and coming in significantly above places

1347
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Speaker 2: like Italy, Israel, Netherlands, Brazil. So you've got a massive

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Speaker 2: budget here. You had one analyst who said, once they

1349
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Speaker 2: get this budget amount into their coffers over the next

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Speaker 2: four years, they're going to have more money than the

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Speaker 2: budgets of the FBI, the DEA, the ATF, the US Marshals,

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Speaker 2: and the Bureau of Prisons combined. This will be the

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Speaker 2: largest best funded federal law enforcement agency in the history

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Speaker 2: of this country. They're trying to hire ten thousand ICE agents.

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Speaker 2: And I was just reading yesterday a piece on how

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Speaker 2: we have previous examples, in particular during the Bush administration,

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Speaker 2: of trying to staff up some of these law enforcement

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Speaker 2: agencies really quickly. And what happens is number one, you get,

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Speaker 2: you know, because you're just trying to take whoever you can,

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Speaker 2: you get huge issues with corruption. Number two, you get

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Speaker 2: huge issues with complete lack of any sort of experience.

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Speaker 2: And number three, think about the type of people who

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Speaker 2: would be applying to do that job of getting kitted

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Speaker 2: out in military gear to march through a park where

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Speaker 2: moments earlier children were playing, and sending people to Alligator

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Speaker 2: Alcatraz or shipping them off to Seacott with no due process. Like,

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Speaker 2: just think to yourself about the type of people that

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Speaker 2: that job would apply to, would appeal to. Those are

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Speaker 2: probably not really the ideal people that you want doing

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Speaker 2: what is already you know, sensitive and intended to be,

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Speaker 2: you know, under the Trump administration, certainly an.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely cruel job.

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Speaker 2: So that's the direction that we're heading in this you know,

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing in this park in LA, what we've

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Speaker 2: seen in LA more broadly, what we've seen with Alligator

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Speaker 2: Alcatraz with Seacott, with the raids that we've seen across

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 4: They're just getting started here.

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Speaker 2: And now they're going to have the budget with mass

1380
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Speaker 2: detention facilities built out by private prison contractors, with huge

1381
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: influx of ice agents, with money to do basically whatever

1382
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Speaker 2: they want to do. This, what we're seeing now is

1383
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Speaker 2: just the tip of the iceberg. All right, guys, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for watching to We are going to

1385
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Speaker 2: have actually a bro show tomorrow. Saga and Ryan Sager

1386
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Speaker 2: will be back from recording with Tucker. Looking forward to

1387
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Speaker 2: seeing how that interview went. I think it dropped this morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but I haven't taken a look at

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Speaker 2: it yet, and then be back.

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Speaker 4: To me and Sager on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: So hope everybody has a fantastic day and I will

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Speaker 2: see you soon.