1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Grodski. Thank 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: you guys for being here again. I have to tell 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: you that I love it when I see some data 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: and I make a prediction in an opinion based upon 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: the data, and then more information comes out and approves 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: me correct. And that is what's happened with what I 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: told you guys on last show on Monday about Venezuela. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: If you remember, on that last episode, I was saying 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: to you that early polling information looked like most Americans 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: didn't have strong feelings about the raids outside of how 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: they felt about Trump. Like, if you like Trump, you 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: support the raids. If you didn't like Trump, you didn't 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: like the raids the arrest of Dictator Nicholas Monduro, but 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: if you but a lot of people were kind of 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: like ambivalent to form policy is not a big issue 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: for them. I said that based upon early polling information 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: at the time. Now new information has come out, Basically 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: sitting there and saying, yeah, most Americans are really tied 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: to how they feel a Trump with the access option 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: of Hispanics. Hispanics have a stronger opinion, especially if they 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: are Venezuela and our Cuban That is the big caveat, 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: but overall it falls under partisan lines. Let's break it down. 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: So new poll came out from the Washington Post. It 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: was released on Tuesday, and it found that forty percent 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: of Americans supported the raid the arrest of Venezuelan dictator 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: Nicholas Mdurou, seventy four percent of the being Republicans, thirteen 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: percent of Democrats, thirty four percent of Independence, forty two 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: percent opposed the raid, seventy six percent of Democrats, ten 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: percent of Republicans, and forty two percent of independence. Basically, 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: the Democrats and Republicans mirror each other, right, It's strictly 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: a partisanship, almost entirely Independence, lean a little against it, 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: but not that heavily. And independence. Once again, it's hard 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: to pull independence because a lot of them usually always 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: vote one way or the other. They either always vote 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: Democrats they say they're an independent, or they alway vote 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: Republican they say they're independent, but they're pretty partisan. So anyway, 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: very very evenly split. Eighteen percent had really no opinion 38 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: in putting twenty four percent of independence, which I think 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people are in this country, not a majority, 40 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: but a big slice really don't have an opinion. They're 41 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: not as highly informed on Venezuelan policy. Two. And that 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: follows a similar poll that Washington Post pole, which I'll 43 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: come back to in a second. That follows another poll 44 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: that also came out on Tuesday from Reuters, and the 45 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: Reuter's poll found that thirty seven percent of Americans supported 46 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: the arrest of Venezuelan dictator Nicholas Maduro, thirty eight percent 47 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: oppose it, almost exactly the same as the Washington Post 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: lower numbers, but follows the same trajectory. Now, the Ruters 49 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: happened to have polled this question several months ago, asking 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: would you support a future military intervention into Venezuela, And 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: that poll had forty seven percent of pose twenty one 52 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: percent support. Because I think when you hear when in 53 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: an American hearers about a military operation, they think Iraq, Afghanistan. 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: They were thinking, we're going to lose thousands of people, 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: We're going to have a decade of violence, We're going 56 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: to spend hundreds of billions of dollars for very ungrateful 57 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: people who will end up coming to our own country 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: as refugees. Right, the fact that it was a fall 59 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: is the executed campaign where no one died, it didn't cost, 60 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, a trillion dollars. I think that that changed 61 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: people's opinion about it pretty pretty spectacular. After the arrest 62 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: of Nicholas Mondoro, the poll found that thirty seven percent 63 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: supported the operation thirty percent of pose. That's a twenty 64 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: five point swing in favor of the operation after it 65 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: was executed. Because of this perception that show is it 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: was a very successful thing. There was another poll taken 67 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: by company by Aliga Survey. I had not heard of 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: them before, so I don't know how accurate they are, 69 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: but Alika Survey and it asked Latin Americans how they 70 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: felt about the raid. Eighty seven percent of Costa Ricans, 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: seventy seven seventy eight percent of Chilean, seventy seven percent 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: of Colombian, seventy six percent of Donians, seventy four percent 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: of Peruvians. All of Latin America wildly approves, wildly approves 74 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: of it. The only country where it's on the margin 75 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: is Mexico, which remember, voted for a socialist president not 76 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: that long ago. But aside from Mexico, the rest of 77 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: Latin America very supportive of what President Trump has done. 78 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: You know, not like the Europeans or anybody else, but 79 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: Latin Americans who have seen Nicholas Maduro being a dictator 80 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: really really were happy that he was arrested in his 81 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: face in his trial. So speaking of the trial, let's 82 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: go back to the Washington postpall that I talked about earlier. 83 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: Fifty percent of Americans say that Nicholas Maduro should go 84 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: to trial for drug charges. Right, A lot of Americans 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: don't have a very deep understanding of who Nicholas Menduro is, 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: or his government or anything, especially when you compare him 87 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: to like a foreign leader like Xijimping or putin somebody 88 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: who's in the news constantly. You know, Nicholas Mondoro is 89 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: not at the forefront of many Americans minds. I'll just 90 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: say like that, But fifty percent still believe that he 91 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: is he should go on trial, because, after all, he 92 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: is a dictator of a narco state. He's not exactly 93 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: mister Rogers. That includes seventy nine percent of Republicans, forty 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: two percent of Independence and a plurality of Democrats with 95 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: is twenty nine percent. Only fourteen percent of Americans say 96 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: that he should not be on trial, including just two 97 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: percent of Republicans, fifteen percent of Independence and twenty four 98 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: percent of Democrats. I looked through every crosstab that was 99 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: publicly available to see if there was any group of 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: American where a majority or plurality opposed putting Maduro on trial, 101 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: and there wasn't. Every group of people in this country, 102 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: whether they voted for Harris, whether they are a liberal, 103 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: whether they are white, or college educator or not college educated, 104 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: a plurality or a majority support putting Nicholas Maduro on 105 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: trial in the United States for drug chargers. Anyone saying 106 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: that this is that the everyone's outrage is only talking 107 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: to purple haired They them's who are overweight with too 108 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: many college Greece. It is overwhelmingly on one side saying 109 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: he should go on trial, and a plurality of every group, 110 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: if not majority, support that. Remember what else I told you, 111 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: guys when it comes to Venezuela. Americans don't want a 112 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: prolonged war. They don't want another Afghanistan, they don't want 113 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: another Iraq. We are just a war weary country. It 114 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: is the It is what happened from the Bush legacy, 115 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: from the Bush presidency that continued onwards after Obama and 116 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan into the first Trump term. I mean, and 117 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: the withdrawal from Afghanistan was horrendous how it was executed. 118 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: So we are just very war weary. We don't want 119 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: a long intervention. And also remember Venezuela is not Afghanistan 120 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: in Iraq. I'm talking to my liberal friends about this 121 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: and they're like, it's going to be the same thing. 122 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Venezuela had democracy in our living memories, right. They had 123 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: their last free election, really free election nineteen ninety eight. 124 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: I guess two thousand and two was also fairly free. 125 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't Chavez was the leader at that point, but 126 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: it is not. It was not like the subsequent elections 127 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: in Venezuela, which were completely fraudulent. But nineteen ninety eight 128 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: was a free election, and it is people's living memory. 129 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Everyone over the age of you know, thirty five probably 130 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: remembers nineteen ninety eight existing and being around. So it's 131 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: not like you have to pull people who are you know, 132 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: one hundred to sit there and say do you remember 133 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: when there was a last election in Iraq or Afghanistan, 134 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: which I'm not saying that they would even know, but 135 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that Venezuelans have some tie to democracy, 136 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: unlike Afghanistan or Iraq. When you ask Americans do you 137 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: support America taking over Venezuela and choosing the new government, 138 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: Americans are very against it. Still, twenty four percent support 139 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: that idea, forty five percent of post and remember Trump 140 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: kind of flirted with that idea and then he's kind 141 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: of changed his mind several times. Among those who support 142 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: it is nine percent of Democrats, eighteen percent of Independence, 143 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: and forty seven percent of Republicans, which is the parality, 144 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: but it's not a majority for something that Trump has 145 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: was I endorsed, which is a unique that doesn't happen 146 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: a lot where Republicans are willing to a majority of 147 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Republicans willing to sit there and say I'm not so 148 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: sure or flat out no. Among people who vould have 149 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: heard Trump, forty six percent said yes, nineteen percent said no, 150 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: and thirty four percent said they weren't sure. Among Trump's 151 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: most loyal voting block, which are whites without a college degree, 152 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: thirty four percent say yes, thirty five percent say no, 153 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: which is crazy that she's not winning a plurality even 154 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: of his most loyal voting block outside of Republican voters. 155 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend of mine whose wife 156 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: is a Venezuelan refugee, and I think she's a citizen now, 157 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: but I call them when Medora was arrested, and I said, 158 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're so excited, and you know, this must 159 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: be so great for your wife. And she was on 160 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: Maduro's hit list and she would have been executed if 161 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: she would have stayed in Venezuela, so I'm sure that 162 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: she probably thinks this is, you know, wonderful, and you 163 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: guys are so happy. And we started talking about what 164 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: happens next and what they would like to see happened next, 165 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: because they don't have very strong opinions about what the 166 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: Venice As Weal and government should look like. Right. I 167 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: hope they're not a terrorist supporting nation, but other than that, 168 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm not really I don't have a lot of strong 169 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: feelings about them as well. But I asked her what 170 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: they think is next, and they said that they were like, 171 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, if we need to invade that they would 172 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: be okay with it. So I kind of made a 173 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: joke and I said, well, you know, instead of Americans 174 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: going there, we could send the seven hundred thousand Venezuelans 175 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: who have come here in the last five years, give 176 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: them arms and send them back to their own country 177 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: and say have at it, like, you know, get have 178 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: your own election, become you know, run your own country now. 179 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: This is your time to run your own country. And 180 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: they were kind of I don't know if they were offended. 181 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: People always get offend it by stuff I say, but 182 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: I like in my regularl life, as if they don't 183 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: know who I am, but that they were. They were like, no, no, 184 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: we would want Americans to do the job. And I 185 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: think that this is a very clear dividing line for 186 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: Republicans right. The New York Times and this map if 187 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast, if you watch it on YouTube, 188 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: I have the map on display there. The New York 189 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: Times put up the five I have one hundred counties 190 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: that have the largest amount of enlistments, of military enlistments 191 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: where they come from. And if you look at the 192 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: map of where our enlistments come from, they're very concentrated. 193 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: It's the South. It is parts of the Midwest, parts 194 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: of Indiana and southern Illinois and Kentucky and Missouri and Ohio. 195 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: It is Texas, which is you know, Texas, Texas, and 196 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: south of South it's Texas. It's Texas, the South, the 197 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: parts of the Midwest, and the inland Empire between California, Arizona, Nevada, 198 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: that Idaho, that whole stretching not on the coast of California, 199 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: but inland into the west western part of our country, 200 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: that very republican part of those states. That's really where 201 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: military recruitment is extremely concentrated in this country. You know, 202 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: I've said the old adage before. Kids in blue states 203 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: wave foreign flags, kids in Red states get American flag 204 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: striped over their coffin. It is not an even distribution 205 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: of sacrifice. And when you compare that map to the 206 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: for election is Overwhelmingly's counties with high enlistment rates have 207 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: voted for President Trump. Now that's not shocking given that 208 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: a lot of lower income people see the military as 209 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: not only part of their heritage they do generationally, but 210 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: also as a ladder into the middle class. People do 211 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: it because they're very patriotic, in Red states, because they 212 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: believe in the military, they support it. There's a lot 213 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: of reasons to join the military, and in Red states, 214 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 1: in Red County America. They do so overwhelmingly. So we 215 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: were to do in a long standing invasion of Venezuela. 216 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: Guess who pays the price for it. Guess who overwhelming 217 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: bears that sacrifice. It is white Americans, majority white Americans, 218 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: white American men from red counties and Red States, people 219 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: who voted for Donald Trump in part because he was 220 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: the man who sat there and said that Iraq was 221 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: a failure, who told Jeb Bush that on the South 222 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: Carolina debate stage. Now, their support of what happened because 223 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: it was flawless, it was easy, it was one two three, 224 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: and they trust their president. I don't know if President 225 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: Trump would want to burn that trust by engaging in long, 226 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: maybe a decade long conflict where those same people's children, 227 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: those their sons get murdered for a war than necessarily 228 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: they didn't vote for right. I think that that's an 229 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: important part as why the Republican overall voter as much 230 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: as they love this and they're saying, hurrah, you know America, 231 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: let's kick something. You know what, there's some trepidation when 232 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: it comes to further involvement, and that's really where fellow 233 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: non interventionalists are getting this wrong. I have friends of 234 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: mine who are big anti anti interventionalists, and I'm more 235 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: on that side than not on that side. However, we 236 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: don't live in a bubble. We have to engage where 237 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: we have to engage. The bombings in Iran went great, right, 238 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: we bombed, were in, we were out. We didn't We 239 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: didn't occupy it, We didn't lose American lives, we didn't 240 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: sit there and lose American treasure. It was a one 241 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: two three thing to make sure Iran doesn't get a 242 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: nuclear weapon. Great. The arrest of Nicholas Maduro one two three, 243 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: No Americans die. We were in, we were out, and 244 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a drug lord of an arco state 245 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: that killed a lot of Americans killed on trial. That's great. 246 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: We don't live in a bubble. We should apply pressure. 247 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: We should try to make the world function better. It 248 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: is our military that makes the world operational, as we understand. 249 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: It is our navy that keeps the seaways safe, all 250 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: the rest of it. However, that doesn't mean we should 251 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: engage in prolonged occupations of foreign countries at the expense 252 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: of American treasure and American blood, especially because so often 253 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: it is the Republican sons that go and fight and 254 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: die in these wars or come back deeply depressed, deeply mangled, 255 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: sometimes deeply wounded personally, spiritually, physically, They carry that burden overwhelmingly. 256 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: It is not a Zora Mandani voter who was going 257 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: out there to fight these wars. It is always the 258 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: ones who belong to the frat and or could afford college, 259 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: and they work at a garage and they're trying to 260 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: do the best in life, and they join the military 261 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: for a myriad of reasons, but they bear that sacrifice. 262 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: So there it is. There's the data. We love how 263 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: the Republican Party loves how President Trump did. Americans pretty 264 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: evenly split, but more favorable than they used to be 265 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: on the whole conflict with Maduro and arresting Maduro. Don't 266 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: want a foreign invasion, don't want to occupy Venezuela, don't 267 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: want to decide its future. They want the Venezuelan people 268 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: to decide and hopefully they make a good decision. I 269 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: have some immigration data that's coming up next that is 270 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: very wonky but so interesting. I think you guys are 271 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: gonna love it. That's coming up next. So a woman 272 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a woman named a Lenni Karanaki, Kajanaki. 273 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: You guys know, I can't pronounce names. It's a Greek name. 274 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: Though she is an assistant she or he is an 275 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: assistant professor professional research fellow at the London School of Economics. 276 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: And they did a study on immigrants and the success 277 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: of immigrant and who it came to the UK basically 278 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: over the last decade, and they were saying, how has 279 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: the wealth gap changed over the last decade among these 280 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: immigrant groups in the UK, basically studying how third world immigrants, 281 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: how they're doing in a first world society, especially in 282 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: the UK, and how that translates not only just among 283 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: like individual just like you know, native born versus forum born, 284 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: but different individual groups. Right, And here's what the study says. 285 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: The analysis of this stage considers that both cross sectional 286 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: changes in ethnic wealth gap and ethnic gaps in short 287 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: term wealth accumulation, using changes in wealth across waves. That 288 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: means basically, people who came two thousand and eight, sorry, 289 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty one, how the 290 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: wealth changed over those different times. The fightings re really 291 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: stark and persistent inequalities in wealth across ethnic groups, which 292 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: widened over time and highlight how initial wealth positions determine 293 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: wealth growth. She's wrong about that, but here's why. The 294 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: study concluded that since twenty twelve, median wealth gaps between 295 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: ethnic groups have widened sharply, with gains concentrated among White 296 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: British and Indian ethnic groups. Median wealth substantially for those 297 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: groups rose, but median groups remained closed to zero for 298 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: Black Africans, Black Caribbeans, Bangladeshis, and while adults of Pakistani 299 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: ethnic groups experience a marked decline basically over the course 300 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: of this decade. In the last decade in the UK, 301 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: wealth accumulation has risen for Indians primarily because they've been 302 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: buying huge pieces of property in the UK, that's what 303 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: the data shows. And for white British, White British have 304 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: made up substantial gains, Indians and beansistantial gains, everyone else 305 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: is basically flat and Pakistanis are also declining. Now, remember 306 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: this comes at a time of exorbitant population increase. For 307 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: all those groups except for White British, their numbers are 308 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: pretty stagnant, but everyone else has this explosion in population, 309 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: So you would think there's all these people coming into 310 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: the household, they're able to work harder. You know, you 311 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: have three generation, two generation working household families among these immigrants, 312 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: and yet they're actually either stagnant or losing financial stability. 313 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: I'll go on, which is the wealth distribution. All ethnic 314 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: groups experienced losses, with exception of Indian ethnic groups. Minority 315 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: groups are substantially larger losses than white British groups, reflecting 316 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: the accumulation of a larger debt holdings. Adults in Pakistani, Bangladeshi, 317 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: Black Caribbean and Black African ethnic groups registered gains at 318 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: higher wealth quadrants. Basically, the very wealthy did very very well, 319 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: and those of the middle class or lower class did 320 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: not do well, but those were remarkably smaller than white 321 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: British and other Asians. Even the top A quadrant of 322 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: Pakistanis and Bangladeshis had significantly lower performances than every other group. Pakistani's, 323 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: Bangladeshis and Africans experienced lower levels of savings than white British, 324 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: with fifty percent saving absolutely nothing. Now what's crazy is 325 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: I mean, she the writer kind of blames it on racism, 326 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: which is so stupid when you realize that I mean, 327 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: Indians and Bangladeshies and Pakistanis are not all the same, obviously, 328 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: but they're they are more in common than I would say, 329 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: like Indians and Icelandic groups, you know what I mean, 330 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: Like they're they're more in common than they're not. There's 331 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: a lot tons of cultural difference, but as far as 332 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: racial difference, it is extremely minor. And to the average person. 333 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: If someone if an Indian and a Bangladeshi and a 334 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: Pakistani are all wearing, you know, a business suit, they 335 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: probably can't tell them differently. So the idea they're racially 336 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: discriminating against two of the three and not the third 337 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: seems quite strange and probably not likely that it's happening. 338 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: What's crazy is not only did later groups of these 339 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: of the study the one crazy thing not only were 340 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: they saving less, but they were actually giving more money 341 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: to their native country that she looked at remittance rates. 342 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: Remittance rates for rece waves of black Africans was forty 343 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: one percent recent for Bangladeshi's twenty six percent, for other 344 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: Asians twenty nine percent for Pakistani's fifteen percent. Huge amount 345 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: of money was going instead of saving, instead of building 346 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: wealth in the UK, was going to be sent to 347 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: family members throughout Africa and Southeast Asia and the Caribbean. 348 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: And when you look at native born Pakistani British warn er, 349 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: the British born Pakistani, British born Indian British worn Caribbean 350 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: into the second generation, into the third generation, what the 351 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: study found, while they acted more like white British, their mean, 352 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: how they averaged out, how they saved money and treated 353 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: wealth accumulation was actually closer to that of an immigrant. 354 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: So why do I bring this all up? I know 355 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: this is very, very very wonky, and I put on 356 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: a lot of graphs for people who are watching this 357 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: program instead of listening to it. I bring this up 358 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: because a couple of years ago, there was a book 359 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: called The Cultural Transplant, How migrants make economies they moved 360 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: to look like ones they left. It was a book 361 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: by a professor named Garrett Jones. Ask me come on 362 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: this podcast. A couple of times. News always denied me, 363 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: which breaks my heart because I like him, even though 364 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: he probably thinks I'm annoying, But in essence his philosophy, 365 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: his opinion in this book was that cultures that come 366 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: to our country they change us more than we changed them. 367 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: Especially over I mean, I guess in the margins over generations, 368 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: but it's very, very very rare. And I think that 369 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: for Indians especially, what you're looking at is because there 370 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 1: was a strict caste system in India for generations. It's 371 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: not as prevalent as it was then, for sure, but 372 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: there was a strict cast system. We managed to get 373 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: the wealthiest, the well educated, the well to do the 374 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: upward mobile Indians from India to the First World. I'm 375 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: sure if that was broadened out where everyone had to 376 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: take one hundred million Indians of randomized demographics, those numbers 377 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: would change dramatically over a very short period of time. 378 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: But we've gotten the upward mobile Indians in this country. 379 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: But what he says is if you look at a 380 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: country in the year fifteen hundred, how it did in 381 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: the year fifteen hundred relative to that time around things 382 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: like scientific advancements, if they had a functioning government, other 383 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: things like that. That shows how those immigrant groups do 384 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: in as immigrants now. Right. So unless you're taking the 385 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: upward crust, unless you're taking like the very few Algerians 386 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: or people from Madagascar who are extremely advanced, right, those 387 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: top quadrants of Caribbeans that I mentioned who are very 388 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: very wealthy, or Africans who are very very wealthy. Maybe 389 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: on a diamond mind, if you take just those yes, 390 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: you'll see vastly over performance among immigrant groups. But the 391 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: overall group as a whole looks a lot more like 392 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: their native country into the second and into the third generation. 393 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: In essence, culture doesn't change because people move. It doesn't 394 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: change even when they're born into a certain place, if 395 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: they're still more ingratiated in their in their ethnic culture 396 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: that they came from. And I think that plays into 397 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: something that Trump posted about on True Social I know 398 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: you're like, Ryan, You're going all over the place. I 399 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: promise you I'm landing the plane right now. Trump posts 400 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: on Truth Social picture of welfare dependency based upon ethnic groups, right, 401 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: he said, people from Bhutan eighty one percent welfare, Yemen 402 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: seventy five percent, Somalia seventy two percent, Dominican sixty eight percent, 403 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: Afghan sixty eight percent. Those were the top I decided, 404 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: let me look at those groups that that study came 405 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: from from the UK. Wow, welfare dependent? Are they Bangladeshi's 406 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: fifty five percent, Pakistani's forty percent? Parts of Africa, like Rwanda, Ethiopia, 407 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: live Liberia forty seven, forty seven, forty nine percent. Those 408 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: immigrant groups, whether they be in the UK, which has 409 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: had much worse immigration policy in the last five years 410 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: in America has but whether it be in the UK 411 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: or whether they be in the United States, they're very 412 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: close to mirroring each other in many respects when it 413 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: comes to welfare and dependency and wealth accumulation. And I'm 414 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: sure if you look throughout Europe those groups are mirriamselves. 415 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, we see them the Somalians right now in Minnesota, 416 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: Somalians in Minnesota, and we've done about Smalians and studies 417 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: about Smalians in Denmark and Sweden and in the Netherlands, 418 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: and it's they're the most expensive immigrant group any host 419 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: nation could possibly take in. They have the worst wealth accumulations, 420 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: overwhelming welfare dependency in every place they go. And I 421 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: think that as this information is breaking in the UK, 422 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: I would love a stay like this in the United States. 423 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: But as this information is breaking, I think that the 424 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: important questions that therein says when we talk about immigration 425 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: and we talk about immigrants, we don't like to demonize immigrants, 426 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: but where always lumping them all in together. We should 427 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: be talking about them as cultures, as groups, because while 428 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: we don't wait to sit there and say everyone from 429 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: a group is the same, and that's obviously not true, 430 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: the means are true, the laws of nature are true, 431 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: the averages are true. And is it worth it as 432 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: a country then to bring in cultures that stay impoverished 433 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: generation to generation to generation. If it costs over a 434 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: million dollars in a Somali a refugees life right costs 435 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: one million dollars and in their children's life they're still 436 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: running a deficit, is it worth us spending million plus 437 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: dollars over two generations to hopefully get to a third 438 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: or fourth generation where they're producing and promoting prosperity in 439 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: our own country. I think that that's a worthwhile question, 440 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: especially when you think about the Somali and Freud. If 441 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: they stole a billion dollars on top of the million 442 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: plus it costs personally for their welfare and their entire life, 443 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: it will be generating. It may be a century until 444 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: the overall Somali population has paid back the cost of 445 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: importing them. And is that worth it? When we talk 446 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: about the future of our country. When we're talking about 447 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: the future of AI and robots taking jobs, do we 448 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: need to bring anybody or should we be highly selective 449 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: and we can start looking at cultural backgrounds that are 450 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: complimentary to ours and then have long records of producing 451 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: prosperity and acting peacefully. Worthwhile and worth looking at and 452 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: thinking about. Next is ask Me Anything. Stay tuned now 453 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: it's time to Ask Me Anything segment. If you wanted 454 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: part of the Ask Me Anything segment, email me Ryan 455 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: at Numbers gamepodcast dot com. That's Ryan at Plural Numbers 456 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: gamepodcast dot com. I love getting your emails. Question comes 457 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: from Greg greg says Hi, Ryan's Greg from New Jersey. Hey, Greg, Jersey, 458 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: Ryan from New York. Over here. I was wondering if 459 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: you heard of the book of the book The Gods 460 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: of New York from Jonathan Mahler Egotist, idealist opportunists and 461 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: the Birth of the Modern City from nineteen eighty six 462 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety. It deals with the periods involving Trump's 463 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: rising real estate, rising crime, and Rudy Giuliani and the 464 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: AIDS crisis. You said on your podcast about people from 465 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: Venezuela voting for socialism on a Hugo Chavez and Nicholas Maduro. 466 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: If New Yorker's now but it for socialism, I'm der mundani. 467 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: Is it not the candidate that is bringing about the 468 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: revolutionary change but the culture, the cities or the country 469 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 1: like Venezuela, embody is New York City just Babylon, always 470 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: rising to come crashing down from its own sins. Thanks 471 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: big fan of your and and Coulter, who's the smartest 472 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: woman in politics? I will let him know that that 473 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: is a fabulous question. Greg that was really smart. I 474 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: haven't read that book. I want to read that book now. 475 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna pick it on audio because I have 476 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: a couple of audible books that I'm going to I 477 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: have a free passed force, so I might pick that 478 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: one up. Here's the thing about New York and this, 479 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: and I speak as somebody who was born in the city. 480 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: My family came to the city forget it, over a 481 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: century ago. We've been here forever in this city, and 482 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: we went from Manhattan to Brooklyn to Queens to back 483 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: to Brooklyn. I mean they never left. They mean like 484 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: it's cockroaches, and like my family like that will stay 485 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: here for the nuclear fallout We are not the same city. 486 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: The city that I was raised in, the city I 487 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: was born in, the city that New York of legend 488 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: and lore does not exist anymore. New York is not 489 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: a twenty four hour city. The New York is not 490 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: the sty that never sleeps. New York City sleeps. We 491 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: are apartments are built differently. We are built like suburbs 492 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: that are more compact with no backyard, that live on 493 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: top of each other. The infrastructure is all beyond it, 494 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: cell by date, like everything should have been repaired in 495 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: order to occupy all these people and the people who 496 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: were here for generations. The people who are native to 497 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: this city, they've voted for Cuomo or for Sliwa. They 498 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: did not vote from an Donnie. The people who came 499 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: to the city, either as immigrants or as you know, 500 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: internal migrants, people from like Iowa, blue hair and nine genders. 501 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: They came here and then insisted that it was too 502 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: hard and too expensive and too bad. So that's the 503 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: very curious thing is that they they moved somewhere and 504 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: said it was too tough for them, and then change it. 505 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: And it comes to this old idea that I used 506 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: to fight with my boomer relatives about is you know 507 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: I have I don't have a lot of liberals in 508 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: my family. I have a couple though, that are just 509 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: like nuts cyber one relative, specifically a first cousin who's 510 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: mentally deranged. And my boomer relatives always say with this cousin, 511 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: they would say, well, wait till they graduate school and 512 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: they're going to have the real world hit them. And 513 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: I would say, no, they're going to change the quote 514 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: unquote real world. And for people under forty, not even 515 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: under thirty, people under forty or forty five who came 516 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: to New York thinking I'm going to be able to 517 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: make it here based upon what things used to be 518 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: like or this idealized version of New York from the 519 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, realized it was in that place and 520 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: that they really were having a difficult time but didn't 521 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: want to leave. They wanted to enjoy the fruits of 522 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: prosperity but couldn't deal with the actual cost of it, 523 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: either because they're you know, they're trust fund kids or whatever, 524 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: or they are old just socially ideologically the same and 525 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: they're very progressive, but they didn't want to have to 526 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: live with those the grittiness of the city, the hardship 527 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: of that the city breaks people down in and so 528 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: they changed it, and they picked a guy who was 529 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: also not from New York, who also disagreed with the 530 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: fundamentals of New York. And I don't think that he's 531 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: going to accomplish most of what they promised. I think, 532 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he said something today about as 533 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: a recording this podcast about New York becoming the next 534 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: being modeled up to South Africa, what like the biggest 535 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: failed state right now in that used to be a 536 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: prosperous country that is going besides Venezuela. I don't think 537 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: they are aware of the ideological and racial perspective that 538 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: far left social activists come from. They like the bullet points. 539 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: They like the idea of, you know, staying in New 540 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: York and not visiting Israel, which was a debate line. 541 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: They like the idea of free public busting or making 542 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: a housing more affordable, or you know, fighting against landlords 543 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: who keep jacking up their run. They like all that. 544 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: They don't understand other things that he can accomplish that 545 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: are radical, what that would do to them. I just 546 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: don't think that they do or they do when they're 547 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: so soaked in ideological purity that they that they you 548 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: can't you can't negotiate or talk to them, which is 549 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 1: also a possibility, right, And I think that's a very 550 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: big dividing line among native New Yorkers and New Yorkers 551 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: who are our recent immigrants. And if Mundanni is a 552 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: successful mayor, and I hope that he is in some 553 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: capacity that well, you know, he'll probably be reelected. But 554 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: if he's not, and if he's really horrendous, as a 555 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: New York was in the late eighties before Giuliani, I 556 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: think it will be on the backs of people who 557 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: want to be prosperous and don't understand how bad racially 558 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: idealized socialism is, right because what it is, and this 559 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: is the thing that they don't understand, right, is that 560 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: it is not just domination. What it is in New 561 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: York is that whites are a minority in New York, 562 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: for sure, but we are an economic dominant minority. Whites 563 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: have an economic dominance in New York despite being a 564 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: minority of the population. And that was true of a 565 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: lot of groups in parts of the world throughout history. 566 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: And those are the groups who are persecuted the fastest 567 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: and the hardest. And what we're seeing in this emerging 568 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: Mundannie administration is people saying home ownership is whiteness, and 569 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: home ownership is white supremacy, and we need to break 570 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: those things down. And they're trying to coalesce around the 571 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: demonization of white people and whiteness. This alliance of multi 572 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: different racial groups, all of which I don't know if 573 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: they all agree in everything, and if it fails, and 574 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: I think that those ideas usually almost always do fail, 575 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: it will be because some of those groups sit there 576 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: and realize a little too late. Oh, I'm on the 577 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: losing end of this, of this equation. But as far 578 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: as did the culture elect him or did he elect it? 579 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: I think he did. I think that he brought the 580 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: ideas and he sold himself, and he's got that stupid 581 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: grin and you know those those Instagram you know reels, 582 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: and he just happened to be lucky enough to run 583 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: at a time when New Yorkers are a minority in 584 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: their own city. You know, had he come around in 585 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: the hard hat era of the seventies, or in the 586 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: nineties era, or even in the two thousands, right of 587 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, they would have told him to buzz off. 588 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: But luckily enough, those New Yorkers are either in the 589 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: cemetery or in Florida, or are a minority in their 590 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,719 Speaker 1: own city. So fabulous question, Greg. I'm going to read 591 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: this book now. Now that I'm thinking about it more, 592 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: I want to read it. Thank you guys so much 593 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: for listening to podcast. Please like and subscribe to this 594 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: podcast if you want to get more of it. 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