WEBVTT - Sean McLaughlin: ‘Vanderpump Villa,’ ‘Paradise’ Fallout, and More 0:00:02.150 --> 0:00:05.130 Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. 0:00:05.250 --> 0:00:05.930 I'm Rachel. 0:00:06.770 --> 0:00:07.610 And I'm Charity. 0:00:07.750 --> 0:00:12.770 And today we have Bachelorette, Paradise, and Vanderpump Villa alum, Sean. 0:00:12.970 --> 0:00:15.440 What's up, guys? 0:00:15.460 --> 0:00:17.099 How are we doing? 0:00:17.860 --> 0:00:20.000 We're doing good. We're happy to have you. 0:00:20.060 --> 0:00:22.340 It's been a minute since I feel like you've been 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.800 on a podcast, but since, honestly, I've seen you last, like, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.060 there's lots to discuss, lots. 0:00:27.910 --> 0:00:28.590 To get into. 0:00:28.610 --> 0:00:30.910 Yeah. Thank you guys for having me. 0:00:30.910 --> 0:00:33.950 I'm excited to get into it. I, for one, am 0:00:34.170 --> 0:00:37.339 so excited to get into it. We saw both of 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.900 you on Vanderpump Villa last season. Sean, what was it 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.360 like being in the villa compared to the Paradise Villa? 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.000 Your time on Paradise? 0:00:48.020 --> 0:00:53.419 It was kind of heaven, honestly. Vanderpump Villa compared to, 0:00:53.740 --> 0:00:57.510 especially OG Bachelor in Paradise. We're talking Mexico Bachelor in Paradise. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.520 Vanderpump Villa, I literally felt like I was royalty. I 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.280 felt like I was the king of England there. Everything 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.170 was taken care of. The estate was incredible. The food, 0:01:08.190 --> 0:01:11.929 the company, it really was so much fun. That was probably, 0:01:12.430 --> 0:01:14.050 from all the stuff I've done, the most fun I've 0:01:14.069 --> 0:01:16.850 had filming anything, really. Yeah. 0:01:17.350 --> 0:01:20.110 No, and to go off of that, obviously, I did 0:01:20.140 --> 0:01:23.220 it with Sean. How would you describe the filming style 0:01:23.420 --> 0:01:26.319 or just how they produce? Because I think that's what 0:01:26.860 --> 0:01:29.220 for me felt like, Oh, this is like freedom. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.319 Like I can, I'm free to do whatever. So I 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:32.740 wonder if it felt the same for you. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:37.540 It definitely felt very much like it didn't even feel produced. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.780 I felt like very natural in terms of what was 0:01:39.819 --> 0:01:42.380 going on. I mean, obviously we had structure from our 0:01:42.420 --> 0:01:43.959 day to day in terms of like, we're going from 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.300 this event to this like tea party, whatever we're doing, 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.740 but like in terms of them looking for things for television, 0:01:49.780 --> 0:01:52.680 they kind of trusted us to have fun and be ourselves. 0:01:52.740 --> 0:01:54.420 And they felt like they can make a show out 0:01:54.460 --> 0:01:57.230 of us being ourselves instead of trying to grab stuff 0:01:57.390 --> 0:02:00.130 and like stir up drama that isn't necessary. So it 0:02:00.170 --> 0:02:03.480 was a very relaxing filming style. I loved it. Yeah. 0:02:04.220 --> 0:02:08.160 I'm curious because I wasn't there. What is something or 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.840 what happened behind the scenes? Because we filmed for so 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.880 long and only 10% gets shown. Can you share anything 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.500 that maybe the audience didn't see? 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.500 Oh man, I feel like.. 0:02:20.340 --> 0:02:20.870 Yeah. 0:02:20.910 --> 0:02:23.130 I don't even know where to begin. There was so much. 0:02:23.270 --> 0:02:25.850 The drama, obviously. That's what I. 0:02:25.770 --> 0:02:28.810 Want to know. Well, what's funny is like, I thought 0:02:28.850 --> 0:02:31.750 when we were filming and the cast of Vanderpump Villa 0:02:31.810 --> 0:02:33.870 did a really good job of not letting us into 0:02:33.910 --> 0:02:36.150 their own drama. So when we watched it back, I 0:02:36.150 --> 0:02:37.900 don't know, Charity, if you felt the same thing. It 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.880 was like a different show. I was like, when did 0:02:39.900 --> 0:02:41.840 this happen? They were screaming when we were in the 0:02:41.900 --> 0:02:44.820 room next door. Like the Hannah Marciano stuff. We had 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.669 no idea. Like I truly had no idea. Yeah. So 0:02:47.710 --> 0:02:50.190 much so I was like trying to get Marciano to 0:02:50.230 --> 0:02:51.880 like hook me up with Hannah. I'm like, yo, grab 0:02:51.910 --> 0:02:55.380 Hannah back. I didn't realize that this was going on 0:02:55.500 --> 0:02:57.620 at the same time. So that was a little jarring. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.600 I was like, you should have told me, man. I 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.580 felt like an idiot watching him back. Yeah. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.610 No, I watched it on FaceTime with like Jess and Mercedes. 0:03:06.669 --> 0:03:08.290 And like, I think the whole time, like our draws 0:03:08.310 --> 0:03:10.170 were on the floor because we were like, she didn't 0:03:10.190 --> 0:03:12.430 know half the stuff that obviously was going on with 0:03:12.470 --> 0:03:15.959 her little situation with Nick. And then me and Mercedes 0:03:15.980 --> 0:03:18.120 were just like, when did this happen? We were kind 0:03:18.150 --> 0:03:20.170 of like in la-la land. I mean, I was enjoying 0:03:20.190 --> 0:03:23.929 myself regardless because I wasn't like the single people there, like, you. 0:03:23.870 --> 0:03:25.770 Know, flirting and doing whatever. 0:03:25.889 --> 0:03:29.870 But it definitely was like so insane to watch that 0:03:29.889 --> 0:03:32.470 because it did feel like a different show for a second. 0:03:32.940 --> 0:03:37.020 But speaking of Hannah and Marciano, we did see a 0:03:37.060 --> 0:03:39.420 little bit. Like, you know, you had a couple little 0:03:39.620 --> 0:03:45.480 sessions with Hannah, little make-out sessions. Sessions. how was that 0:03:45.540 --> 0:03:48.500 like how how did that come to be did you 0:03:48.940 --> 0:03:51.090 obviously I mean I know now like you guys are 0:03:51.150 --> 0:03:55.090 not together anything but explain or walk us through like 0:03:55.570 --> 0:03:59.170 kind of that experience yeah well I. 0:03:59.130 --> 0:04:01.280 Feel like I uh I don't know when we were 0:04:01.340 --> 0:04:03.480 going we were taking the flight out there we like 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.980 land in England land in London I'm like I like 0:04:06.620 --> 0:04:08.600 you kind of figure out what's your role to play in. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:09.200 All of this, right? 0:04:09.220 --> 0:04:12.120 Like what is your role to go out and have fun? 0:04:12.180 --> 0:04:15.380 And like, I basically got pitched, Vanderbilt got pitched to me. 0:04:15.380 --> 0:04:17.099 It's like, we're going to go and literally have a vacation, 0:04:17.140 --> 0:04:19.840 have fun. And like, whatever happens happens, but like, we're 0:04:19.860 --> 0:04:21.880 here to make a television show. So make sure, you know, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:23.910 we're bachelor people. We have to have a little bit 0:04:23.930 --> 0:04:26.010 of romance. You can't just not have us there, you know? 0:04:26.029 --> 0:04:27.630 So I don't know if it got clipped or not, 0:04:27.650 --> 0:04:30.130 but I was like, if there was rehab for guys 0:04:30.190 --> 0:04:32.710 addicted to hot blondes, I'd probably be in it. So like, 0:04:33.390 --> 0:04:36.560 you know, Hannah immediately and Rachel, obviously back in the 0:04:36.580 --> 0:04:39.560 day in paradise, you kind of, you know, that's, that happened. 0:04:39.620 --> 0:04:43.440 So yeah, I, she didn't come out immediately. You, you, you, 0:04:43.500 --> 0:04:44.219 come on. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:50.040 You and Jess. You and Jess. Oh my gosh. Wait, 0:04:50.060 --> 0:04:51.830 keep going. Cause I want to know all the. 0:04:51.790 --> 0:04:55.969 Backstory with Hannah. Yeah. It really was like you, they, 0:04:56.330 --> 0:04:58.090 it was so funny. So when we pull up to 0:04:58.130 --> 0:05:01.529 the estate, they're just sitting like on the steps waiting 0:05:01.570 --> 0:05:04.510 for us for our arrival. So like, we're getting paraded 0:05:04.589 --> 0:05:06.969 through the entire cast and like the single people on 0:05:06.990 --> 0:05:10.730 the show, you know, John B, myself, who we thought, Xavier, 0:05:10.770 --> 0:05:12.370 who we thought, but wasn't single when we were going 0:05:12.390 --> 0:05:15.310 through it. But we're like, it's like, you know, pick your, 0:05:15.650 --> 0:05:17.110 like take a pick. Like, who do you like? 0:05:17.190 --> 0:05:18.430 Do they say that? 0:05:18.930 --> 0:05:20.440 Do they say pick your person? 0:05:21.180 --> 0:05:22.520 No, but it was like, yeah. 0:05:22.620 --> 0:05:24.180 In other words, do they say that? 0:05:25.620 --> 0:05:25.700 Eh. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:26.500 Kinda. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.419 It wasn't, it wasn't like, forced upon you they were 0:05:30.460 --> 0:05:32.440 very much like hey if you're interested in someone like 0:05:32.500 --> 0:05:34.480 let us know like we'll try to get you guys 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.159 away from each other which is great but it wasn't 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.159 like you have to go and like make out with 0:05:38.180 --> 0:05:39.940 this girl you have to go do this it was 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.260 very much if you're interested let us know we can 0:05:42.300 --> 0:05:45.610 kind of help you coordinate the situation and I don't 0:05:45.630 --> 0:05:49.010 know like Vanderpump Villa they it was much more of 0:05:49.250 --> 0:05:51.590 um they knew they're on television where I feel like 0:05:51.610 --> 0:05:54.370 sometimes in the bachelor world like you kind of get 0:05:55.070 --> 0:05:56.890 in a weird sense where you don't feel like you're 0:05:56.940 --> 0:05:58.880 on television. Like they were there to like play up 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:00.880 the reactions. They, they know they had a job to 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.140 do as well. So it was, it made for a 0:06:03.180 --> 0:06:05.600 really fun, you know, a couple of days in London. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:06.979 I'm curious. 0:06:07.339 --> 0:06:11.050 Wait, with that question, would you say that the Vanderpump 0:06:11.089 --> 0:06:14.650 Villa cast is more fake or like acting a little 0:06:14.670 --> 0:06:16.990 bit more than let's say the bachelor cast? 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.720 I wouldn't say fake. I don't know, Charity. I wouldn't 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.740 say fake. Fake's not the right word. I would say 0:06:22.779 --> 0:06:26.420 like the reaction slash like things are maybe a tad 0:06:26.460 --> 0:06:30.520 embellished to a degree. I would also say they were 0:06:30.660 --> 0:06:32.620 very much more in the camp of they did not 0:06:32.700 --> 0:06:35.580 care how they came across on television, which I feel 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.049 like is way different than the Bachelor universe where I 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.270 feel like people care too much. So there should be 0:06:41.290 --> 0:06:43.370 like a healthy medium of like having fun, like not 0:06:43.390 --> 0:06:44.930 really caring what people are going to think and being 0:06:44.970 --> 0:06:48.640 your authentic self. but also not overplaying the drama or 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.860 like looking for it in a sense. I thought it 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.060 was a healthy medium from, from the Vanderpump crew, but 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.280 they definitely knew that, Hey, you know, like I'm a, 0:06:55.339 --> 0:06:57.500 I'm not here because I'm a great housekeeper, you know, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.680 like that's not why I'm on the show. Cause I 0:06:59.700 --> 0:07:00.779 can make a great bed. 0:07:00.860 --> 0:07:04.350 So. No, I feel like. That's exactly what it is. 0:07:04.390 --> 0:07:08.979 And also who they cast, their personality types, like would 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.340 someone like Marciano do really good on Paradise? 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:12.260 Absolutely. 0:07:12.620 --> 0:07:16.080 But also it's like he is indeed the type that 0:07:16.140 --> 0:07:17.440 does not care how. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:18.960 He comes across clearly. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.560 So I'm like that man's here to do whatever, have fun, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.880 like ruffle feathers. And I think obviously it makes him 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:30.130 very dynamic and polarizing, which like we can sense as 0:07:30.210 --> 0:07:33.450 people who are like guests of the villa, but also- Like, 0:07:33.490 --> 0:07:36.200 the audience members can see that, or audience can see 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.800 that watching it back. So I do think it's also, like, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.500 a combination of who they cast. And obviously someone like Hagen, too. Like, 0:07:42.940 --> 0:07:45.150 insane personality. Like, he is so funny. 0:07:45.670 --> 0:07:48.250 So funny. Had the best time with him. So, yeah, 0:07:48.350 --> 0:07:50.450 I do think it's, like, it's a combination of it all. 0:07:50.650 --> 0:07:54.670 But it's very interesting because... they seem to get along 0:07:54.710 --> 0:07:56.170 but not get along at the same time. 0:07:56.270 --> 0:07:58.870 It's very interesting. They're like all best friends but hate 0:07:58.890 --> 0:07:59.410 each other. 0:07:59.470 --> 0:08:03.870 Yeah, that was so interesting. Yeah, Hagen was like probably 0:08:03.930 --> 0:08:05.810 one of the funniest people that like I've got a 0:08:05.830 --> 0:08:10.120 chance to do anything with really. But what's funny and 0:08:10.140 --> 0:08:12.580 I think what makes Vanderpump Villa unique and similar to 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.760 like the Bachelor in Paradise style of interviews, right? Like 0:08:14.780 --> 0:08:17.940 you get so much information from the confessionals and the 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.470 ITMs where like you see Marciano and Hagen's ITMs they're 0:08:22.550 --> 0:08:27.220 very much giving them that personality type. Where like in person, 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.740 when we're hanging out with them, I didn't feel like 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.800 it was that, you know, crazy. But like in the 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.420 moment you watch the show and like, you know, Marciano 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.880 is going crazy in ITM. Higgins have these funny ass one-liners. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.680 Like that really adds to their personality. But yeah. 0:08:41.540 --> 0:08:45.610 Yeah. I am curious too, as a viewer, I watched 0:08:46.090 --> 0:08:49.690 all of Vanderpump Villa and the way Bachelor Nation acts 0:08:49.830 --> 0:08:52.810 compared to to the rest of the shows, why do 0:08:52.850 --> 0:08:54.570 you think that we go in there. 0:08:54.670 --> 0:08:55.510 And act like that? 0:08:56.070 --> 0:08:58.869 Everyone was having a romantic moment. It was like the 0:08:59.110 --> 0:09:03.160 magical music was playing. What is it about us that 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:04.160 makes us do that? 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:06.839 You know, I didn't know you were going down the 0:09:06.900 --> 0:09:08.920 romantic route. I always thought you were going down the 0:09:08.940 --> 0:09:11.870 way more, like, completely normal and had, like, a good 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.010 time and a respectful route. Jess ran out of a 0:09:15.050 --> 0:09:16.990 car into a man's arms, and. 0:09:16.970 --> 0:09:20.010 John B was, like, having a garden moment. 0:09:20.090 --> 0:09:21.710 Like, hand behind the head. 0:09:21.730 --> 0:09:23.729 All right, John B's garden moment. 0:09:23.809 --> 0:09:26.110 I wouldn't give that, like, the three of them. 0:09:26.150 --> 0:09:26.729 I know, literally. 0:09:26.770 --> 0:09:28.100 I'm like, let's get into it. 0:09:28.110 --> 0:09:31.370 Compared to the other shows, Bachelor was putting it on 0:09:31.490 --> 0:09:32.050 so thick. 0:09:32.550 --> 0:09:36.090 Well, we also weren't ruining the mansion. The group before 0:09:36.130 --> 0:09:40.559 us literally flooded it. We're acting like complete animals in 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.260 a sense. We were very much normal and respectful and 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.179 very courteous to the staff. And I feel like we 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.100 didn't take advantage of, even though we could get whatever 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.690 we wanted at any time, we were very respectful that, 0:09:53.210 --> 0:09:55.450 please and thank you, don't take it for granted and 0:09:55.809 --> 0:09:57.809 be nice to the staff. So that was where I 0:09:57.910 --> 0:09:58.770 kind of went with it. 0:09:59.530 --> 0:10:01.240 And to go, off of that I feel like John 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.750 B and Jess are both like you know they like 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.470 to lean into that lover like role a little bit 0:10:06.690 --> 0:10:08.969 not too much but like that's just them at least 0:10:09.030 --> 0:10:11.910 Jess and Like Jess is a lover girl and hopeless romantic. 0:10:11.929 --> 0:10:14.329 So I'm like, we, I think we all eventually saw 0:10:14.350 --> 0:10:16.070 the writing on the wall with Nick, but like the 0:10:16.170 --> 0:10:17.849 ending scene, I was in the other car. So I 0:10:17.870 --> 0:10:20.610 didn't even realize that happened until after I was like, 0:10:20.670 --> 0:10:21.130 wait a minute. 0:10:21.230 --> 0:10:25.130 I screamed. I'm like, this is so bachelor. I can't 0:10:25.330 --> 0:10:26.410 even get over the moment. 0:10:26.710 --> 0:10:28.429 It should have been a who'd you, but we missed, 0:10:28.450 --> 0:10:33.270 missed opportunity, missed opportunity. But no, I think they, they 0:10:33.370 --> 0:10:36.319 knew who to kind of like let lean into that role. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.699 And that's why the producing aspect of it all too 0:10:38.740 --> 0:10:42.000 is like, They kind of just let those, I don't 0:10:42.020 --> 0:10:44.750 want to say organic moments, but those moments flourish on 0:10:44.809 --> 0:10:47.630 our own versus like, oh, you know, like we're going 0:10:47.650 --> 0:10:48.429 to set this up. 0:10:48.910 --> 0:10:51.150 So I don't know. Very interesting. 0:10:51.210 --> 0:10:55.240 But they knew like Nick was perfect. Nick like that 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.860 can lay it out. He can flirt with anybody like Jesse. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.260 Eat that up. It was like a match made in heaven, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.520 especially with like the Scottish accent. So they kind of 0:11:03.540 --> 0:11:05.179 knew what they were doing. They're good at their jobs. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:06.070 Right. Right. 0:11:07.010 --> 0:11:09.630 Sean, did you have a chance to talk to Lisa 0:11:09.730 --> 0:11:11.030 a lot or not really? 0:11:11.950 --> 0:11:14.110 Yes and no. I feel like anytime she was around, 0:11:14.130 --> 0:11:16.590 I just wanted to be around her because she's the 0:11:16.630 --> 0:11:19.250 person that I get asked the most questions about. Like, 0:11:19.290 --> 0:11:22.270 how was Lisa when you went to the villa? And 0:11:22.330 --> 0:11:26.630 I thought she was so lovely. Like, carry yourself like royalty. 0:11:26.650 --> 0:11:29.429 She was so sweet to us. I wish I got 0:11:29.450 --> 0:11:31.329 more time with her, but not to the level of 0:11:31.370 --> 0:11:33.449 you did, like where you got like certain chats alone, 0:11:33.530 --> 0:11:34.670 but she was amazing. 0:11:35.410 --> 0:11:36.970 Yeah, no, I'm obsessed with that woman. 0:11:37.590 --> 0:11:39.189 I just need to know. I'm like, did anyone else 0:11:39.230 --> 0:11:42.150 get a taste? Because she is perfection. 0:11:42.330 --> 0:11:44.550 I love Lisa. I'm so jealous. 0:11:44.570 --> 0:11:52.960 I would die to sit down with Lisa Vanderpump. But 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.260 I want to ask you, Sean, about your experience on 0:11:56.300 --> 0:11:58.980 Bachelor in Paradise because you got to experience both the 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.160 old Paradise and the new Paradise. What did you like 0:12:02.220 --> 0:12:04.000 about the new style? What didn't you like? 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.979 Yeah, I think the accommodations of the new paradise were great. 0:12:09.420 --> 0:12:12.160 It made it a lot more relaxing and actually felt 0:12:12.179 --> 0:12:15.180 like a vacation. Like what we did in Mexico felt 0:12:15.340 --> 0:12:19.140 much more like Survivor at times. And even Charity, you 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.079 came down that season. So like it wasn't, you know, luxury. 0:12:22.300 --> 0:12:25.400 It was pretty much, I mean, I still, people don't 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.470 realize that we were sleeping in bunk beds that were 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.609 covered in sand. It was open air in the middle 0:12:29.650 --> 0:12:32.970 of June in Mexico. It was not ideal living situations. 0:12:33.740 --> 0:12:36.840 And also not the most romantic environment when everyone's like 0:12:36.940 --> 0:12:39.880 sweating and just like really can't even get comfortable. So 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.880 I really enjoyed the Costa Rica accommodations. I thought the 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.540 concept of the show, like the competition, I thought that 0:12:46.580 --> 0:12:48.660 was a good idea. I feel like it was poorly 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:53.680 executed from like not letting the cast really lean into 0:12:53.740 --> 0:12:56.020 it in a sense or not casting for that specifically, 0:12:56.420 --> 0:12:59.050 where a lot of people were still in the regular 0:12:59.130 --> 0:13:02.550 paradise romantic phase and everyone like wasn't really leaning into 0:13:02.570 --> 0:13:04.530 the competition side of it as much as I was. 0:13:04.970 --> 0:13:07.090 So like, it was fun to film. I enjoyed it, 0:13:07.510 --> 0:13:10.610 but like the living accommodations were better. I wish that 0:13:10.650 --> 0:13:13.630 the viewing experience for the viewers was more like the 0:13:13.730 --> 0:13:17.170 old one, like less serious, like give us our ITMs 0:13:17.190 --> 0:13:19.460 where people are cracking up and making jokes. I didn't 0:13:19.500 --> 0:13:21.660 feel like we got that in the new season, even 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.180 though when we were filming, I can only speak for 0:13:24.220 --> 0:13:26.540 myself when we're in the ITMs and whatnot, like, I 0:13:26.590 --> 0:13:29.150 feel like there was a lot better material that never 0:13:29.230 --> 0:13:31.069 saw the light of day and the viewers didn't see 0:13:31.090 --> 0:13:34.370 that I wish people got a chance to kind of view. 0:13:34.910 --> 0:13:38.270 What do you wish that they saw? What was the 0:13:38.290 --> 0:13:39.710 behind the scenes you were speaking of? 0:13:40.510 --> 0:13:43.320 Well, I think there's so much comedic elements to what 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.040 we were doing throughout the day. Even just us hanging out, laughing, 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.520 having a good time. When you go back and I 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:53.469 guess rewatch the Paradise season, I saw Jeremy– call Susie 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.910 like a million times. Like everything was centered around that, right? 0:13:56.950 --> 0:14:00.450 Like I didn't- That was crazy. Oh, nuts for sure. 0:14:00.510 --> 0:14:03.050 But that centered around like the entirety of like the 0:14:03.090 --> 0:14:06.790 storyline for so long, like six, seven episodes. And I 0:14:06.830 --> 0:14:10.250 think it made it feel much more heavy than what 0:14:10.429 --> 0:14:13.170 the experience of the cast was on Paradise. 0:14:15.030 --> 0:14:18.890 And you say like when you were talking about leaning 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.710 into like the competition aspect of it all, Do you 0:14:21.890 --> 0:14:25.330 feel like, obviously we see you kind of handled that 0:14:25.670 --> 0:14:29.310 very well. Like you were very open and honest about like, okay, like, yeah, 0:14:29.450 --> 0:14:30.130 it's a competition. 0:14:30.170 --> 0:14:32.390 Like let's, let's get dirty. Like let's do this. 0:14:32.770 --> 0:14:35.070 But there was a lot of people that were, you 0:14:35.110 --> 0:14:39.270 can almost sense were probably hesitant to really fully lean 0:14:39.330 --> 0:14:42.230 into that. Do you feel like that's because maybe they 0:14:42.270 --> 0:14:43.510 were worried about like how they. 0:14:43.410 --> 0:14:46.010 Would come across like in terms of edits? or do 0:14:46.030 --> 0:14:47.130 you feel like it was something else? 0:14:47.150 --> 0:14:49.410 Like they just truly didn't want to like have a 0:14:50.670 --> 0:14:53.420 money game competition aspect of the show? 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.500 I feel like it's the first, I feel like they 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.900 were just worried about how Bachelor Nation would view a 0:14:57.940 --> 0:15:01.670 competition show. And like when you start, making decisions in 0:15:01.690 --> 0:15:03.630 the sense of money or love even like the question 0:15:03.650 --> 0:15:05.590 at the end like for love and for money yeah 0:15:05.850 --> 0:15:08.170 sorry like we met these people 30 years ago i'm 0:15:08.190 --> 0:15:11.770 taking the half a million dollars and i'm not even apologizing. 0:15:11.210 --> 0:15:13.110 About it to the bank account. 0:15:13.100 --> 0:15:15.820 Yeah like listen i've we've been you guys have been 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.520 in the universe for a long time i've been here 0:15:17.540 --> 0:15:20.160 for a long time we know how bachelor nation relationships 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.420 typically work out and obviously charity and diet and joey 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.080 and kelsey like they're definitely like outliers in the sense 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.380 katie and zach But the majority of people that I 0:15:28.380 --> 0:15:29.940 meet on these shows don't work out. So if you're 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.600 offering me $ 500, 000 for, you know, that, I'm taking it. 0:15:33.780 --> 0:15:35.160 And I'm not apologizing for it. 0:15:35.860 --> 0:15:39.400 Honestly, smart approach. Like, not wrong. I can't fault you there. 0:15:40.780 --> 0:15:44.500 Speaking of relationships, you did form a connection with Alicia. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.260 What was it about her that attracted. 0:15:47.420 --> 0:15:48.000 You to her? 0:15:48.220 --> 0:15:51.540 And how did that go out of paradise, from paradise 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:52.560 world into the real world? 0:15:53.460 --> 0:15:56.560 Yeah, I think the initial attraction. So that night, um, 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.040 it's kind of funny to put yourself back in those shoes. Well, 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.120 so the behind the scenes of that is that was, 0:16:02.180 --> 0:16:03.990 we had, we're getting rain delays a lot because there 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.280 was so much rain going on in Costa Rica. So 0:16:06.620 --> 0:16:08.490 when we get told we're going to dress up as 0:16:08.530 --> 0:16:10.930 birds and dance around, like you have to get a 0:16:10.950 --> 0:16:15.390 couple shots of liquid courage in you, you know, unfortunately 0:16:15.410 --> 0:16:18.870 we dress up, I'm like covered in glitter and paint 0:16:18.910 --> 0:16:21.070 and whatnot. I don't really remember that night that well, 0:16:21.090 --> 0:16:22.470 like even Jill leaving. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.800 You don't remember your kiss with April? 0:16:25.740 --> 0:16:34.900 I remember that. It's tough to forget. Post-performance, post-peacocky, I 0:16:34.950 --> 0:16:38.310 guess you can say. I don't really remember much. And then, like, 0:16:38.410 --> 0:16:43.229 Jill left. I remember, like, my reaction was just like, what? Like, 0:16:43.290 --> 0:16:45.150 so taken aback. And it kind of wasn't, like, the 0:16:45.570 --> 0:16:48.230 nicest reaction, so to speak. It was almost so, you know, 0:16:48.250 --> 0:16:50.950 just taken off guard. But what initially attracted me to 0:16:50.970 --> 0:16:54.780 Alicia was– I guess, her outfit. She's stunning. She has 0:16:54.810 --> 0:16:58.410 beautiful eyes. And that was kind of the initial thing. 0:16:58.470 --> 0:17:01.550 And also, like, me and Jill, we definitely had friend vibes. Like, 0:17:01.570 --> 0:17:03.410 Jill's the best. She's so fun to be around. But 0:17:03.450 --> 0:17:05.770 we definitely both kind of knew we were friends. And 0:17:05.790 --> 0:17:07.970 we weren't– Jill and I aren't the ones who'd be like, oh, 0:17:08.010 --> 0:17:10.359 let's put on a show for the cameras. And, like, 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.140 let's pretend to be, like, romantically interested. Like, that's not 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.300 either of our personalities. So it was a new person 0:17:16.340 --> 0:17:18.100 coming in, and I knew that Jill and I were 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.000 just better off as friends. So that's kind of what 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:20.800 initially attracted us. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:20.919 Mm-hmm. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.439 So how did you and like Alicia's relationship kind of 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.140 manifest throughout the, obviously we see to the end of Paradise, 0:17:30.180 --> 0:17:32.320 but once you guys like kind of transition into the 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:32.760 real world. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:34.080 Yeah. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.500 So like end of Paradise, we, we go back and like, she, 0:17:37.780 --> 0:17:40.010 she at that point in time was like living in Tampa. 0:17:40.220 --> 0:17:42.790 So I was like, this is crazy. You know, we have, 0:17:43.230 --> 0:17:44.850 we're living in the same area, which on a show 0:17:44.890 --> 0:17:47.050 doesn't typically happen. You kind of got to, one person 0:17:47.090 --> 0:17:48.610 has to move. And that's the reason why it's really 0:17:48.630 --> 0:17:51.159 tough to make these relationships work post shows. So I 0:17:51.180 --> 0:17:54.180 was like, this is awesome. So we get back, have 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.740 fun for like a week, meet her, meet her mom. And, 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.080 you know, just started hanging out, get back in the 0:17:59.100 --> 0:18:00.580 real world. And then she told me, she was like, Hey, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.580 I'm going to go visit my sister out in LA. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.240 And I'm like, all right, cool. I'll see you in 0:18:04.260 --> 0:18:08.920 like a week. She just never came back. So like, yeah, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.190 she stayed out in LA and I didn't want to 0:18:11.210 --> 0:18:13.590 do long distance. I didn't see myself moving to LA. 0:18:13.609 --> 0:18:15.450 I got a house in Tampa. It was also like, 0:18:15.869 --> 0:18:16.970 you know, those are things you kind of got to 0:18:16.990 --> 0:18:19.580