Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back, friends, and welcome back to the States.
Speaker 1: Joy, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys held down the fort. Well, I
Speaker 1: was gone. I missed you, but I'm glad to be back.
Speaker 1: And what an episode to come back to.
Speaker 3: What an episode to come home to. And also you
Speaker 3: poor thing to be so jat lagged for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay, I'm gonna survive. But yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: second day. I took that flight from London to Nashville,
Speaker 1: the direct flight yesterday, and it's the one you really
Speaker 1: try and stay awake on because you land at seven
Speaker 1: pm and you want to be able to actually fall
Speaker 1: asleep at night. So it was it was fine, but
Speaker 1: it got me. It got me the next day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second day hit. Yeah, your body's like, what
Speaker 3: do you mean sleep, we're supposed to be awake right now,
Speaker 3: and then vice versa.
Speaker 1: So if I don't make a lot of sense today,
Speaker 1: y'all just can forgive me. Okay.
Speaker 3: So when this episode opened on the SIMS, did you
Speaker 3: think you were hallucinating or were you I clicked the
Speaker 3: wrong show for a second.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 3: Why are we?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wait, it's Tree Hill characters. Okay, this is definitely something
Speaker 1: there was. I can't even as soon as I saw
Speaker 1: the hospital, yeah, it opened on the SIMS. But as
Speaker 1: soon as I saw the hospital and then Dan's heart
Speaker 1: the little beeper thing, I went, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I know you knew what the episodes guys, this is
Speaker 3: the episode we get talked about. Well, I won't say
Speaker 3: talked about the most, for I will say made fun
Speaker 3: the most.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's accurate.
Speaker 3: It is none other than season six, episode eighteen, Searching
Speaker 3: for a Former Clarity. The episode aired March twenty third,
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. Lucas and Julian hit a setback
Speaker 3: with the production of the film when Julian's dad gets fired.
Speaker 3: Peyton and Haley helped me out with her new single.
Speaker 3: Brook must intervene when Sam is arrested for stealing. Not
Speaker 3: sure she does it appropriately, but we'll get to that,
Speaker 3: and Jamie discovers the truth about Dan and Uncle Keith.
Speaker 3: This episode, there are such sweet moments in it, and
Speaker 3: it's also such a doozy and yeah, dog eats a
Speaker 3: heart and everything is insane. But first and foremost, I
Speaker 3: have to say when it started on the SIMS, I literally,
Speaker 3: out loud said why are we starting on the Sims?
Speaker 3: And then I said why is Andy here? And then
Speaker 3: I realized it wasn't Andy, it was Dan.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's funny.
Speaker 3: But Dan's Sims animation to me looks like Karen's husband Andy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right he did. Oh that's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad it was only briefly though, the yeah the
Speaker 1: Sims thing, but it was cute. I like the idea
Speaker 1: of seeing things through Jamie's eyes, which they seemed to
Speaker 1: do a lot of in this episode, just taking a
Speaker 1: look at you know. Yeah, you're right. So there were
Speaker 1: a lot of really poignant, meaningful moments, and then there
Speaker 1: were just bizarre dog eating hearts moments.
Speaker 4: But I liked it.
Speaker 1: I think overall, I'm just thinking about this now, like
Speaker 1: if the dog eating the heart in the hospital was
Speaker 1: not in this episode. Do I like this episode? And
Speaker 1: I do? I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing. There has to be a way
Speaker 3: for Dan to not get the heart.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The extreme choice of having a dog that's eaten pounds
Speaker 3: of weed so it's high and hungry eat the heart is,
Speaker 3: you know, a choice that was made choice. I just
Speaker 3: it was so silly to me, let's just get it
Speaker 3: over with it, like pulled me out because I was like,
Speaker 3: why is it in a lunch box? A lunchbox?
Speaker 1: Why is it sealed?
Speaker 3: It should be hermetically sealed or whatever the term is for,
Speaker 3: you know, so it doesn't get contaminated, and like all
Speaker 3: of the little things where I was like, it's so
Speaker 3: far fetched that I can't Yeah, I can't stop asking
Speaker 3: questions instead of actually watching the scene. But then I
Speaker 3: did have to wonder, is that because we've been ridiculed
Speaker 3: for this for a decade and a half and so
Speaker 3: we're just ready to hate it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I think you're right. I think they The mistake
Speaker 1: that they made, in my opinion, was not building it
Speaker 1: up enough, not taking the time to show, like instead
Speaker 1: of starting on the sims, which I appreciate the sentimentality
Speaker 1: of seeing things through Jamie's eyes. However, if we had
Speaker 1: started on the medic who was whatever coming in from
Speaker 1: a bender of the night before and didn't seal the
Speaker 1: thing up properly, and we follow the case and it's like,
Speaker 1: why is it? I have no idea why it was
Speaker 1: in a.
Speaker 3: Lunchbox lunch fuck. I was like, what's happening?
Speaker 1: I don't know why. But if we if they had
Speaker 1: actually come up with plausible explanations for just you know,
Speaker 1: when it rains, it poors, when everything goes wrong. There
Speaker 1: are days when it's the perfect storm. If we saw
Speaker 1: why the heart falling out was the perfect storm, then
Speaker 1: it really would have actually paid off. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you've been following it the whole time, like here
Speaker 1: it comes, here, it comes, here, it comes and then
Speaker 1: and then it doesn't. Then the dog eats the heart
Speaker 1: like that would have been interesting. But yeah, to have
Speaker 1: it suddenly just be there and then gone, well, it
Speaker 1: didn't quite And why.
Speaker 3: Did the man whose dog ate his drugs take the
Speaker 3: dog to the er and not to the vet because
Speaker 3: he was high too. And the nurse said it.
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm gonna sit your ass down. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call a veterinarian. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: There were ways, there were ways that could have improved that,
Speaker 1: but it didn't happen. Nevertheless, that setting that to the side,
Speaker 1: I did really there were so many things about this
Speaker 1: episode that I really did love, enjoy, appreciate. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's get started. What was the first Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't write my notes in order because I'm brain
Speaker 1: dead right now.
Speaker 3: I've got mine in order. I will say I loved
Speaker 3: just getting to watch Kate sing and how it sets
Speaker 3: us up later for the arc for Mia and Hayley
Speaker 3: and Peyton, and I really like that there was this
Speaker 3: sort of mirroring thing happening with the boys with Julian
Speaker 3: and Lucas and Vanderbeek. I don't know why I can't
Speaker 3: call him by his character's name because he just makes
Speaker 3: me giggle. But it's like, I like seeing these creative teams,
Speaker 3: and in a way, it gives me that sort of
Speaker 3: nostalgia for the high school years of the show, because
Speaker 3: it's like the girls are off on an adventure and
Speaker 3: the boys are off on an adventure, and then you
Speaker 3: actually see skills with all the little kids playing basketball,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, there's something really sweet happening, and
Speaker 3: it's fun to get to watch those groups. I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed all.
Speaker 1: Of that me too. It was there were a lot
Speaker 1: of moments of transition. I did love seeing the groups
Speaker 1: of Hayley, Mia and Peyton. Was nice to see them
Speaker 1: back together. It did remind me a bit of, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the high school stuff when we would go off and
Speaker 1: we had scavenger hunt night, or when we had stuck
Speaker 1: in a car siphoning gas night inside of the road stuff,
Speaker 1: all those little moments. They really were good. That Writer's
Speaker 1: room was good at bringing back that feeling recalling those
Speaker 1: moments for the audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was something happening in this episode too,
Speaker 3: where we were using our locations really well. I loved
Speaker 3: seeing all the boys on the river court over and
Speaker 3: over again, and not just the three making the movie,
Speaker 3: but also you know, Nathan and Lucas at the end.
Speaker 3: I loved you know you guys all over you were
Speaker 3: home and at school and at trick and like everything
Speaker 3: just felt so full, even that scene with all of
Speaker 3: us lined up at the bar kind of drowning our
Speaker 3: sorrows together. And then beak comes highly upy like it
Speaker 3: just a lot of it felt fun. There was a
Speaker 3: lot of really good motion and blocking. Yeah, and it
Speaker 3: was nice.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give up my honorable mention early because James
Speaker 1: Vanderbeek is electric in this episode. I mean he's great.
Speaker 1: I feel like he always comes in. He had a
Speaker 1: lot of energy, but it was as though he he's
Speaker 1: the anti Dawson in this in this space, which must
Speaker 1: have been interesting for him as an actor to come
Speaker 1: back work on the same stages with this whole new
Speaker 1: crew of actors that took over the the crew in
Speaker 1: the stages that they had been on for so long.
Speaker 1: And I love that he made this choice to come
Speaker 1: in and play this wild, loud, over the top character
Speaker 1: and he did it so sincerely. It didn't feel it
Speaker 1: was over the top, but it didn't feel implausible again
Speaker 1: like that. There was something about the way he did
Speaker 1: the performance that was like, Yeah, I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a douche, but I kind of know this guy.
Speaker 4: He kind of met.
Speaker 1: This guy so much energy. Every single scene that he
Speaker 1: walked into he just soaked up sucked all the energy,
Speaker 1: not sucked, but I guess he he absorbed all of it.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it wrong. Help jet Lag.
Speaker 3: I know what you mean. It's like he he really
Speaker 3: gave it all.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he would he would take whatever was
Speaker 3: thrown at him and then throw it back twice the
Speaker 3: size in a good way. Like he was making so
Speaker 3: much more out of what was happening in the room.
Speaker 3: And it was really fun by the way, I even
Speaker 3: I wrote this down in his first scene. You know
Speaker 3: that he's so gross, this man sitting saying, you have
Speaker 3: to get me a helicopter so I can have sex
Speaker 3: in it. But he's so funny. I was like, he
Speaker 3: is even charming to me. While by the way, literally
Speaker 3: that whole scene revolving around the fact that this director
Speaker 3: is rewarding the casting couch, Like it's so gross and
Speaker 3: it's such a clear, so gross, icky thing that our
Speaker 3: boss like wrote into this episode and it's oh, it's
Speaker 3: just gross, and yet watching James Vanderbeek do it, I
Speaker 3: absolutely love it. He's a douche and I love him.
Speaker 3: It's like the guy you love to hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in the context he's making fun of it,
Speaker 1: but he's doing it in a way where you can
Speaker 1: enjoy the experience, but you're aware of how absolutely disgusting
Speaker 1: and ridiculous it is.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 1: It was the very masterful performance.
Speaker 3: I really it's really fun when you get a charming villain. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it's someone who's fun to think the worst about.
Speaker 3: That's really enjoyable, rather than having to be terrified or
Speaker 3: you know, traumatized or whatever that we're all just exhausted by.
Speaker 3: I really like being able to laugh at the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too, because we used to be able
Speaker 1: to do that with Dan early on, but he went dark,
Speaker 1: so fat, But now it's so dark so fast. Now
Speaker 1: it feels a lot like he's I mean, he's going
Speaker 1: through a very dramatic transition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a gnarly time for Dan. I did
Speaker 3: love the little jab that Lucas gets in when Lucas
Speaker 3: and Peyton come in for their checkup and see Dan
Speaker 3: and he says I'm getting a heart and Luke goes,
Speaker 3: it's about time.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's so good. Yeah, I did a
Speaker 1: little double take on that one.
Speaker 3: It's so on the nose, but like it's funny about time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting to be in a small town.
Speaker 1: You got your heart transplant coming in, and everybody he
Speaker 1: knows that is around him. It's so funny actually, how
Speaker 1: everybody is dealing with his impending death. The everybody's pretty
Speaker 1: casual about it, I guess by now because they're like
Speaker 1: they're like, just die already.
Speaker 3: It's so dark, Like the fact goes this is where
Speaker 3: I say goodbye and then just like turns around to
Speaker 3: keep doing whatever she's doing in the kitchen. I was like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you hate him more than anyone,
Speaker 3: but woman, you were married to this man, Like that's it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was gnarly. Poor little Jamie's the
Speaker 1: only one who cares. And then finally he says, you
Speaker 1: shot Keith. I gotta get out of here, take me home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something very It almost feels very plaintive, you know,
Speaker 3: in Paul's performance, the the wanting a second chance so
Speaker 3: badly and then realizing you're not going to get it,
Speaker 3: and having to see that everyone is okay with that.
Speaker 3: Everyone in your life and family is like, good, you
Speaker 3: didn't deserve a second chance. That has to be so heavy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how would you deal with that? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: like him going out into the ocean. I guess that's it, right,
Speaker 1: just I really did love that scene him in the water.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I loved it. I loved so much about it.
Speaker 1: I loved because I've been there. I've been in that
Speaker 1: in the pain of feeling like, hey, God, you like,
Speaker 1: I'm how dare you? How dare you allow this abency
Speaker 1: to happen to me? And I you know, I'd love
Speaker 1: that He's like, I'm not going to pray and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna cower whatever. If you you're
Speaker 1: you come get me, because that's that's the best you got,
Speaker 1: you know. I love it because it's so funny because
Speaker 1: he is praying, that's what he's doing. That's what he's
Speaker 1: exactly what he's doing by even just acknowledging the presence
Speaker 1: of something bigger than him that is.
Speaker 4: Watching. I don't know, involved.
Speaker 1: Doesn't care, well, whatever, whatever the perspective is, he still
Speaker 1: is acknowledging that and having this dialogue that keeps him
Speaker 1: from being lonely.
Speaker 3: Well, and he has no one else left to talk to.
Speaker 4: He has no one else left.
Speaker 3: And what a big statement, right, you know, he's in
Speaker 3: the ocean screaming I give up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I give up.
Speaker 3: It's like more than surrender. Yeah, because he's, you know,
Speaker 3: potentially attempting to end his life. And it's so it's
Speaker 3: interesting that someone like Dan, who has always exhibited that
Speaker 3: he thinks he's in control like a real narcissist does,
Speaker 3: to say I give up is like, oh boy, and
Speaker 3: I don't think it's an accident. Then afterward, the next
Speaker 3: meaningful interaction he has with the only person who's still
Speaker 3: interested in speaking to him, who's Jamie, is when he
Speaker 3: tells the truth about Keith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just gave up. He's like, I'm actually just done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's left? Trying to manipulate, organize what I'm true now,
Speaker 1: but now knowing kind of what comes in the next
Speaker 1: few seasons with Dan that he did he actually give
Speaker 1: up or did he just become the same person all
Speaker 1: over again.
Speaker 4: I don't know. He's heavy.
Speaker 1: But I thought Paul did such a great job that
Speaker 1: I really did, and it was moving. M deb I
Speaker 1: was happy to see the two of them in this
Speaker 1: episode too, because it's been a minute. Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: on camera together and back in the same room. Barb,
Speaker 1: I mean, she had a lot to do in this
Speaker 1: episode between dealing with all the emotional stuff. Okay, my
Speaker 1: ex husband is, who has tortured me and destroyed relationships
Speaker 1: all over this town and destroyed so many things in
Speaker 1: my life, is about to die. I feel good about that.
Speaker 1: And I've got this hot young snack who is all
Speaker 1: about me, wants to have kids with me, he wants
Speaker 1: to do this whole life, and she's trying to let
Speaker 1: him down easy. I mean, this woman has a lot
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 3: She's really she's really on the roller coaster of the
Speaker 3: highs and lows. But I have to say I just
Speaker 3: loved that when Skills does the thing where he, you know,
Speaker 3: flirts with her about how they could have some kids
Speaker 3: eventually and she says, no, no, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, baby, you could have more kids, like you're
Speaker 3: not that old whatever that means, and she just very
Speaker 3: simply says, yes, I could, but I don't want to. Yeah, like, no, sir,
Speaker 3: that's not going to be my journey. And I I
Speaker 3: loved that, and I love that we did that in
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, like it's not this year, by
Speaker 3: the way, where Sophia Vergara talks about her marriage to
Speaker 3: our friend ending because he wanted to have kids, and
Speaker 3: she was like, I've done that, like my son is
Speaker 3: post college. No, sir, that's not my journey.
Speaker 1: Oh is that what happened? Yeah, she talked.
Speaker 3: About it like publicly recently, and I thought, how just
Speaker 3: how cool to be able to be so honest, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think people are just getting honest about so
Speaker 3: many more things, like whether it's you know, saying no,
Speaker 3: I'm done, or fertility or whatever it is. Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like more and more people are just getting
Speaker 3: a little more pragmatic about it. And maybe that's because
Speaker 3: we realize that not being pragmatic about women and our
Speaker 3: health and our bodies leads to people with no medical
Speaker 3: expertise making laws about them. So like, we better talk
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: I guess we should start talking.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just thought that was so refreshing. It was like,
Speaker 3: it's not drama, it's not anything. It's just these two
Speaker 3: people are at very different stages in their lives, which
Speaker 3: means their relationship can't continue. And it was really interesting
Speaker 3: to see that modeled on our show by this woman
Speaker 3: who just stood in her power and just went own.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I know, but that's that's not for me. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: it really I was so taken aback by it in
Speaker 3: a good way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also that that she had the it's a sacrifice.
Speaker 1: It's not just standing in her she is for sure
Speaker 1: standing in her power, but there has to there's a
Speaker 1: real humility and sacrifice to putting what someone else, what's
Speaker 1: best for someone else, in front of what you want.
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure like nothing would have made her feel
Speaker 1: better than to hunker down with skills.
Speaker 4: That they had a good thing going.
Speaker 1: It was fun, they made each other feel really good
Speaker 1: and really safe, and it was I really have enjoyed
Speaker 1: the trajectory of their relationship me too. It was a
Speaker 1: surprise and I loved it. But putting like she could
Speaker 1: see his future, that he was not old enough to
Speaker 1: understand what it is that he would be sacrificing, and
Speaker 1: she was man. When I was I don't know, nineteen
Speaker 1: or twenty living in New York City, somebody invited me
Speaker 1: to this slam poetry thing, and slam poetry was not
Speaker 1: a It wasn't popular back then. Nobody I'd never heard
Speaker 1: of it, nobody was really doing much of it. But
Speaker 1: it was at CBGB's which is now closed.
Speaker 3: So now it's a John Varvados, not that I don't
Speaker 3: like John Varvados, but it does break my heart. Oh God,
Speaker 3: I'm like, your leather jackets are great, but this place
Speaker 3: needs to be really cool epic.
Speaker 1: So I got invited to this thing and I went,
Speaker 1: and it was super cool. I mean just hearing all
Speaker 1: of these artists get up and share poetry, sometimes with music,
Speaker 1: like they might have somebody with them playing music where
Speaker 1: they would just kind of wrap it out or whatever.
Speaker 1: And this woman gets up and she doesn't have music,
Speaker 1: and she's not rapping or anything, and she just has
Speaker 1: this story to tell, and she told a story of
Speaker 1: this beautiful it was probably like a five minute story.
Speaker 1: This beautiful romance that she had with this younger man
Speaker 1: who is ten years younger than her I think she
Speaker 1: was maybe thirty five, was so it made her feel
Speaker 1: so alive. She had so many bad relationships before and
Speaker 1: it was so healthy and beautiful. And they got engaged
Speaker 1: and she realized that the one thing he really wanted
Speaker 1: with kids, and she.
Speaker 4: Didn't.
Speaker 1: She just did not. She just didn't want to have them,
Speaker 1: and she had to. She told this really heartbreaking story
Speaker 1: about how she let him go, and it was it
Speaker 1: was a major sacrifice, and it broke her heart and
Speaker 1: it broke his heart, and so many people in their
Speaker 1: life were like, are you sure. I mean, like, come on,
Speaker 1: is that you guys love each other? You only get
Speaker 1: one life. She just said, I cannot do that to him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what he's losing, he doesn't know what
Speaker 1: he's sacrificing. But I promise I am helping him with
Speaker 1: his future. This is the best thing I could do
Speaker 1: for him anyway, she said. At the end of the story.
Speaker 1: Fast forward three years later, she runs into him on
Speaker 1: the street and got a two year old on his
Speaker 1: shoulders and his new wife had a baby in her arms,
Speaker 1: and he just gave her a big hug and said,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much. And I have never
Speaker 1: forgotten that story.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: It's so powerful to think about how difficult it is
Speaker 1: sometimes for us to let things that we really want
Speaker 1: go for the sake of someone else. Is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know what I think about that too,
Speaker 3: is like when you can see the writing on the wall,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how much love there's been between you,
Speaker 3: or what the history is, or how hard you wanted
Speaker 3: to try, Like you just know and somebody has to
Speaker 3: be brave first. Yeah, But if you're willing to be
Speaker 3: brave first, you can set the both of you free. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Because to your point, someone might be like, no, I
Speaker 3: don't want it to be over, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but you're not going to get what you ultimately want here,
Speaker 3: and neither am I, And so one of us has
Speaker 3: to be brave.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna it's gonna rot. Like you've got to
Speaker 1: You got to get to it before it starts to turn. Oh,
Speaker 1: which doesn't negate all the time you've spent, or all
Speaker 1: of the investment or all of it doesn't. Because something ends,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that it was a waste of time.
Speaker 1: But you cannot keep wasting time once you know where
Speaker 1: you're at M.
Speaker 3: Once you see it, you just can't unsee it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I think I actually think that's something we should
Speaker 3: start celebrating, because what we like to do is celebrate
Speaker 3: the surface and be like, oh, look at this thing
Speaker 3: that looks picture perfect or that thing that looks whatever
Speaker 3: fill in the blank. But it's like, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: we should start to celebrate each other when we say,
Speaker 3: you know what it's it's not what I thought I've
Speaker 3: learned the lesson. Okay, Like it's a really it's a
Speaker 3: really brave thing and I like it and I like
Speaker 3: that Nanny Debb is sorry cool.
Speaker 1: So if what would that look like celebrating sacrifice, it's.
Speaker 3: Not even necessarily the sacrifice. I just think we should
Speaker 3: celebrate people when they make the best decision for them,
Speaker 3: whether that's saying or leaving, whether that's deb honkering down
Speaker 3: with skills or saying, I know this part of you
Speaker 3: because by the way, we would all be healthier. And
Speaker 3: to bring it back to the show, it's such a
Speaker 3: healthy thing. She's modeling and she sees him and she's
Speaker 3: just like, listen, I see this about you. And it's
Speaker 3: a smart device in the writing that we get to
Speaker 3: watch him coaching the kids because it's so cute and
Speaker 3: it is so sweet, and we see Andre and Jamie
Speaker 3: together and we love that their friendship is continuing. And
Speaker 3: you know, the best three name we've ever heard is
Speaker 3: coach uncle Skill and it just does it like melts
Speaker 3: your heart. You know. He he sits those kids down
Speaker 3: and he gives them these compliments and he tells them
Speaker 3: why they're great even though they're small and no one's
Speaker 3: in actually no one's actually a skilled athlete yet you know,
Speaker 3: and you really do get to see that he has
Speaker 3: an innate goodness with them, and that's what she mirrors
Speaker 3: back to him. And she doesn't make it personal and
Speaker 3: she doesn't make it emotional, and she's not cold, but
Speaker 3: she's not sobbing. It's not this big thing. It's just like,
Speaker 3: this is the end of the line for us because
Speaker 3: we both want two very different outcomes. And that's okay,
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: Another testament to Antoine's abilities to I don't know that
Speaker 1: he was given not I don't know. He definitely wasn't
Speaker 1: utilized to the best of his abilities on the show.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got some moments, but man, I really
Speaker 1: wish he had been integrated more heavily into a lot
Speaker 1: of the storylines because he's just so capable, so capable
Speaker 1: as an actor, going from fun and playful immediately into
Speaker 1: dropping it and realizing how difficult this is going to be,
Speaker 1: and just watching him go from being even playing a
Speaker 1: teenager to being a really a strong young man who's
Speaker 1: now growing up into a full grown man to figure
Speaker 1: out what he wants with his life. He gave his
Speaker 1: character such a such an arc that the writers didn't
Speaker 1: give him. He took care of it himself. He just
Speaker 1: was like, I got this, let me. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: give it to me, let me just do it myself.
Speaker 1: So talented.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he always did. And it's so it's just so
Speaker 3: much fun, I know, you know, And it's like you
Speaker 3: sort of wonder, is it the chicken or the egg
Speaker 3: right where you're like, well, he was always so good
Speaker 3: at making a meal out of anything they gave him.
Speaker 3: Did that make them a little lazier with him? Or
Speaker 3: were they just, you know, folks based on the quote
Speaker 3: unquote core five storylines more and then putting him in
Speaker 3: where it felt like it made sense. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I agree, I just want more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that happens on a lot of TV
Speaker 1: shows though, when you've got a character who's really charismatic
Speaker 1: and an actor you can just trust to run with something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they do. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The ones that are
Speaker 1: like you can rely on are just kind of okay, well,
Speaker 1: we can trust him, He'll take care of this. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can't. I would love to see more
Speaker 1: of him. I love seeing more of antoine and anything. Honestly, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Do want to. I'm just gonna say it now, because
Speaker 3: perhaps that's that musing or questioning I just did. It
Speaker 3: is going to be viewed as a criticism of the writers.
Speaker 3: I didn't mean it to be, but I actually do
Speaker 3: have a major criticism. I hate hate that they made
Speaker 3: me use the R word in that scene with Sam.
Speaker 3: I hated it then, I hate it now. I think
Speaker 3: the idea that like a foster parent would say that
Speaker 3: to a kid, I don't know. I just I hated
Speaker 3: it so much, but it was a battle that I lost.
Speaker 3: They wanted the fight to be like explosive and whatever,
Speaker 3: and it makes me feel so cringey.
Speaker 1: Now, wait, but she didn't say that Sam was. She
Speaker 1: was saying that she told the store owner as that,
Speaker 1: like as an excuse. It was meant as a comedic moment, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just clarifying, like
Speaker 1: what the.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think it was meant as a comedic moment,
Speaker 3: but I just think it's like, I think it's so ugly.
Speaker 3: I think like, if you have to punch down to
Speaker 3: tell a joke, you're just not that good at telling jokes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and oh boy, I hate it so much. But I
Speaker 3: will say in the like mediate like, oh I remember
Speaker 3: this day and like the fights about it. I also
Speaker 3: remember something that I like, which is they were like,
Speaker 3: this has to be like an explosive fight, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I can't just like scream at her because
Speaker 3: I am like.
Speaker 1: I was expecting Unfixable to be the thing that you
Speaker 1: fought on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I did love that either, but
Speaker 3: the idea where the idea that it had to be
Speaker 3: so explosive for everything to change later, for her to
Speaker 3: go to Julian on my behalf, for Julian to come
Speaker 3: to me on her behalf, for us to make up
Speaker 3: over Jack, like all the stuff that I loved so much.
Speaker 3: It was actually a moment that I was really grateful
Speaker 3: to be pushed because the conversation was if it's not
Speaker 3: something you feel so bad about doing, the payoff won't
Speaker 3: be as big for the audience when you feel bad
Speaker 3: about yep. And And it's really interesting because sometimes it
Speaker 3: made me think like, yeah, sometimes I have this instinct
Speaker 3: where I don't want I don't want my character to
Speaker 3: be an asshole, especially six years in I love Brooke Davis,
Speaker 3: and I am like, I think she knows better than
Speaker 3: this by now, But the reality is that human beings
Speaker 3: made mistakes. And by the time I got to the
Speaker 3: end of the episode, I was like, they were right.
Speaker 3: Having me really flip out and really raise my voice
Speaker 3: was right. It was the right call. I needed to
Speaker 3: really go overboard so I could apologize for going overboard, okay,
Speaker 3: And it was so funny to me to be watching
Speaker 3: it at you know, in twenty year twenty four and
Speaker 3: be like, I remember how upset I was about this
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, and I'm glad. I I'm
Speaker 3: glad I was pushed.
Speaker 1: That's great. No, I'm glad you were too. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad you.
Speaker 3: You brain is shutting down.
Speaker 4: I have no vocabulary words.
Speaker 1: When you give in whatever, there's a better word for that,
Speaker 1: when you when you go yes, I thought I was
Speaker 1: a C word, but I can figure it out. Thank
Speaker 1: you when you And I'm glad that you did, because
Speaker 1: I agree. It was a total It was a payoff,
Speaker 1: totally worth experiencing. It really was, and it was great
Speaker 1: for Sam's character too, to be able to go through
Speaker 1: that arc of walking through the whole episode and feeling
Speaker 1: like I really am unfixable, and then to have that
Speaker 1: mirrored back to her, Actually, I was wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: There's so many great things that happen when a adult
Speaker 1: admits they were wrong to a child. Yes, it's so powerful.
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen in my own life with my daughter.
Speaker 1: It's been powerful for me even in my adult life
Speaker 1: when one of my parents has apologized for something. It's
Speaker 1: really powerful. I loved seeing that.
Speaker 3: And I think, what's cool about it? You know, it's
Speaker 3: really interesting right having this perspective twenty years after the
Speaker 3: show came out, Because one of the words we use
Speaker 3: on this podcast a lot is modeling, Like what are
Speaker 3: we modeling for our audience? What are we you know?
Speaker 3: What were we modeling then? That we can see now?
Speaker 3: And I really think it's important. What you're talking about is,
Speaker 3: especially when kids are young and adults are willing to
Speaker 3: admit that they were wrong or apologize for mistakes, or
Speaker 3: say they're sorry for raising their voice or hurting their
Speaker 3: feelings or whatever it might have been. It also teaches
Speaker 3: kids that they are allowed to make mistakes and that
Speaker 3: the mistakes are not catastrophic. Yes, they are allowed to
Speaker 3: be imperfect and it's totally human and okay. And as
Speaker 3: a person who does a lot of therapy for this,
Speaker 3: cut to the ad JK, I know how transformative it's
Speaker 3: been to begin to have that with my own family,
Speaker 3: even as an adult, because I didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think the reason you were fighting back
Speaker 1: on it so much when you were younger is because, like,
Speaker 1: did you have trouble admitting when you feel like you
Speaker 1: had made a mistake in real life?
Speaker 4: You didn't know where to put it, like was it?
Speaker 1: Did it feel like there was shame and so you
Speaker 1: didn't know where to put it and you didn't want
Speaker 1: Brooke to feel that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think anything that pushes like on the shame
Speaker 3: button is hard for me because there there was just
Speaker 3: no room for mistakes like that didn't That just was
Speaker 3: not a thing that was allowed. And the irony is
Speaker 3: like perfectionism is when you are ingrained to be or
Speaker 3: become a perfectionist, you are consciously or unconsciously signing yourself
Speaker 3: up to be a constant failure because perfection doesn't exist,
Speaker 3: So it just like keeps you living in a shame
Speaker 3: spol And I think what's really powerful about what you're saying,
Speaker 3: like modeling with your kid. Now, what I've been able
Speaker 3: to see shift in my family as an adult with
Speaker 3: my own you know parents, and what I see with
Speaker 3: so many of the parents in my life is the
Speaker 3: space you know for fallibility and for mistake and having
Speaker 3: it be something you don't have to be ashamed at
Speaker 3: all is such a big deal. And the interesting thing
Speaker 3: is that I can see how much shame Sam carries
Speaker 3: and how that's one of the things that Brooke wants
Speaker 3: her not to feel. But in a way Brooke has
Speaker 3: to make her feel ashamed in this episode for them
Speaker 3: to both learn.
Speaker 4: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: I love when I see that happen in stories like
Speaker 1: these or just in real life, when the thing that
Speaker 1: you're going through or the mistake that like the mistake
Speaker 1: that I make and feel horrible about and then I
Speaker 1: have to go back and apologize or whatever, and then
Speaker 1: seeing how the other person actually needed that, Like Maria
Speaker 1: for example, if I do something, I yell or I whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever it is all the many millions of mistakes that
Speaker 1: I have made as a parent, and going back and
Speaker 1: then it does it gives her the permission. And when
Speaker 1: you kind of pull back for a bird's eye view
Speaker 1: and look at the cosmic meanings of things like this,
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, so, in a way, my mistake
Speaker 1: was always meant to happen because it's providing the sense
Speaker 1: of mercy and space for another person to realize, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's okay to make mistakes, and we're all just doing
Speaker 1: that for each other, like handing off the permissions to
Speaker 1: be human.
Speaker 4: It's lovely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really is. And it's like, I think,
Speaker 3: the interesting thing about what I see in Brooke and
Speaker 3: Sam's dynamic from this vantage point is they both really
Speaker 3: see the best in each other, and they both see
Speaker 3: the way the other gets in their own way. Like
Speaker 3: you can see where Sam gets in her own way,
Speaker 3: and Sam fully calls Brooke out on how she's getting
Speaker 3: in her own way and calls Joy.
Speaker 1: And she the message on the machine.
Speaker 3: So good, and her grabbing the phone and being like, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's right here, and forcing the adult in the room
Speaker 3: to talk to the other adult because they're the ones
Speaker 3: being children and they won't do it. Like, I love
Speaker 3: the dynamics so much, and I love I love that
Speaker 3: because someone is advocating for her in this new way,
Speaker 3: it really does force Brook to confront the fact that
Speaker 3: she is terrified to be in love with someone again.
Speaker 3: You know, she's just like, I don't know if I was.
Speaker 1: Doing you by the way that opening sequence with you
Speaker 1: and Austin with the I don't do that last I
Speaker 1: love you. Oh yeah, so funny, Yeah, really funny. I
Speaker 1: know you guys are great together.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We I mean, we just have so much good
Speaker 3: chemistry and like, you know, we've known each other since
Speaker 3: we were twenty three years old, Like there is so
Speaker 3: much even now, like there's just so much affection between us,
Speaker 3: and I love getting to look back at There's really
Speaker 3: something too, I think when you have such deep familiarity
Speaker 3: with people, like if he'd if he'd been a stranger cast,
Speaker 3: I'm sure we would have, you know, found something great.
Speaker 3: But like, sure, there's a when you have a depth
Speaker 3: of familiarity on camera with someone, it adds like a
Speaker 3: little something special. And I yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: love their dynamic together. I'm like, I room for these two.
Speaker 3: They're very cutey.
Speaker 1: I did too, and it's kind of immediate too. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you like Brooke and Owen. I liked the
Speaker 1: doctor guy that she never got to have a relationship
Speaker 1: with I liked I'm trying to you know, Brooke and
Speaker 1: Lucas had their moment that there was some really fun
Speaker 1: stuff there, but it wasn't It wasn't electric like it
Speaker 1: is on camera with Man. You guys are so great
Speaker 1: and it's that friendship. It's the familiarity, it's the ease
Speaker 1: of moving around each other where it's you're not getting
Speaker 1: to know a new actor in each other's mannerisms and
Speaker 1: it's just so so much comfort and you could see that.
Speaker 1: And I really love these two together a lot.
Speaker 3: I feel like I see the exact same thing in
Speaker 3: Haley and Nathan in this episode too, Like you and
Speaker 3: James have such a good shared language after all these
Speaker 3: years that I love the humor that they put into
Speaker 3: the dynamic of him sort of sitting back and letting
Speaker 3: you like hurricane around because you're mad and you're hurt
Speaker 3: and you're righteous and you're all these things that you
Speaker 3: absolutely deserve to be and he's just like you reorganize
Speaker 3: in the kitchen, like it really killed me in I
Speaker 3: also was like, wow, this is like a moment where
Speaker 3: as a viewer, I feel a little attacked because I
Speaker 3: reorganize the kitchen when I am stressed out, I was like,
Speaker 3: why do we do that? Is that just like, is
Speaker 3: that like such an adhd thing that we do where
Speaker 3: we're like, wow, I don't want to deal with this.
Speaker 3: So what I'm going to do is alphabetize the spice.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, I don't well, I don't tend
Speaker 1: to do that in a I guess it's two different
Speaker 1: types of neurodivergent. You can always have a different flavor.
Speaker 1: My flavor is I'll do that in the middle of
Speaker 1: the argument, Like I get avoidant in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: and I'm organizing the drawer while I'm trying to have
Speaker 1: a real conversation.
Speaker 3: It's like, your hands need to be busy for your
Speaker 3: mind to have something to do.
Speaker 1: It's probably my pride too, because it's too vulnerable to
Speaker 1: just sit and stare at somebody in the eyes and
Speaker 1: be like, I'm mad at you.
Speaker 4: Why did you say that?
Speaker 3: This is uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels better. Just be like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: organize the drawer and you can think about what you did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can sit there and look at me while
Speaker 3: I do something productive.
Speaker 1: It's right, it's right. It's so dumb and transparent.
Speaker 3: I loved the I loved the phone call with you guys.
Speaker 3: I thought that it was so sweet and it just
Speaker 3: made me giggle. It felt really familiar. I thought it
Speaker 3: was great writing. And then when you circle back and
Speaker 3: you know, he's telling you the things he knows about you, right,
Speaker 3: that you're going to do the right thing, that you're
Speaker 3: gonna that you're you're going to figure it out. And
Speaker 3: I love that we see as the episode goes on,
Speaker 3: Haley really sink into the realization that the right thing
Speaker 3: is the true thing. And I'm going to tell these
Speaker 3: kids and yes, I'm I'm gonna lose my job and
Speaker 3: it's going to be awful and they will miss out
Speaker 3: on the rest of the year in my class, but
Speaker 3: this will be the example I can set for them
Speaker 3: that they will never forget. Yeah, And I thought that was.
Speaker 1: It's great cool, Yeah, because when somebody I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that too, that storyline that that is how tough
Speaker 1: decisions come up. It's like it's going to have to
Speaker 1: be one thing or the other, and when somebody puts
Speaker 1: you in a position where you have to either do
Speaker 1: it their way or lose. I don't know, something that's
Speaker 1: important to you or it put you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna cost someone else something, like her class is
Speaker 1: going to lose. They're a really great teacher. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's not on her, that's
Speaker 1: on principal rim GISs. Is that what I called this
Speaker 1: was her name red ho No, but it is. It's
Speaker 1: on her and Haley. I really appreciated watching watching her
Speaker 1: as you know, I'm removed now it's been so long
Speaker 1: because I don't really remember doing this storyline.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: Walking with the character through realizing I've been put into
Speaker 1: this position by someone else and I just can't. You
Speaker 1: can't force me to change because of whatever your power
Speaker 1: thing Like, I just can't. And I want to stay
Speaker 1: here for these students and I want to be the
Speaker 1: best teacher that they've ever had, but not at the
Speaker 1: expense of you know, truth and what she feels. So
Speaker 1: she's she walks out, and I kind of was surprised
Speaker 1: because I didn't remember what actually was going to happen.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe Haley was going to just go, yeah,
Speaker 1: look I didn't. I didn't do what I was told
Speaker 1: to do because there is something a little complicated about that,
Speaker 1: like that's her boss. That's her boss telling her you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to do this, and so I guess technically
Speaker 1: she could have said, I disobeyed my employer. I went
Speaker 1: against what I was told to do as an employee,
Speaker 1: and therefore I'm suffering consequences for it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess you could have made a case for it. But anyway, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just babbling through that in my brain.
Speaker 3: No, it's but it does. It gives you that like
Speaker 3: yucky taste, and I think it's really interesting because I
Speaker 3: could see that it gave you that yucky taste in
Speaker 3: your mouth. When Nathan said to Haley, sometimes you gotta
Speaker 3: play the game, you were like, no, I don't want to.
Speaker 3: This isn't one of those times. And I think there
Speaker 3: is something to be said for that, when you have
Speaker 3: that sort of intuition and you go, no, this is different.
Speaker 3: Something's different. And yeah, I just I loved it, this
Speaker 3: whole storyline for you. I love when you get, you know,
Speaker 3: the opportunity to be like frustrated and pissed, and I
Speaker 3: love that it winds up giving us this like you know,
Speaker 3: girls summer camp energy in the studio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fun, it's fun. I'm excited to see what
Speaker 1: happened with MIA's record too. I don't remember much of
Speaker 1: the Mia storyline, so this will be fun to see
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, and Peyton kind of got a break
Speaker 1: in this episode. There wasn't much except for her dealing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she had so much in the previous so much heavy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was wondering, and I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 3: but I was like, what were Hillary and James doing
Speaker 3: because they both really really got a break on this one,
Speaker 3: and I was like, did they get sent somewhere to
Speaker 3: like do something or did they just get lucky and
Speaker 3: have a couple of days to like walk around downtown
Speaker 3: or go to the beach. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, But speaking of Nathan, I really loved seeing him
Speaker 1: out on the river Court with Lucas again. Any time
Speaker 1: I see those boys together on the river Court, it
Speaker 1: makes me so happy. And it was really fun on
Speaker 1: the heels of Lucas and Julian creating these new river
Speaker 1: Court memories, but really folding Julian in with everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a really.
Speaker 1: Smart, fun nuanced way of bringing him into the family,
Speaker 1: which clearly he was brought in by the next season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love seeing those boys. Anytime we get to see
Speaker 1: those boys on the court, and watching the two of them,
Speaker 1: two brothers come to grips with the death of their father,
Speaker 1: the impending death of their father, and talking about it
Speaker 1: so casually, but also he's bravatas, but it's like, what
Speaker 1: do we do with this? We can't we keep going
Speaker 1: around and around in this circle with him. I guess
Speaker 1: it's over weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot to carry. And I thought I
Speaker 3: was really glad that they got to laugh a bit
Speaker 3: when Lucas told Nathan had happened. It was it was
Speaker 3: the sort of this is ridiculous, comic relief that we
Speaker 3: all needed, even as viewers, And then to see them
Speaker 3: begin to sink into the heavier bits and then Dan
Speaker 3: show up, it felt nice. Yeah, you know it. It
Speaker 3: was nice to see them, to your point, trying to
Speaker 3: make sense of this thing that makes no sense at
Speaker 3: all together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree this. I love that this episode
Speaker 1: set us up so much for the future. There were
Speaker 1: so many doors that opened up in this episode for
Speaker 1: what's going to happen next. What's going to happen with
Speaker 1: Mia Peyton was set up in the previous episode and
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Haley now no job? What's
Speaker 1: going to happen with Brooke and Julian Now he's leaving.
Speaker 1: What's going to happen with Sam and.
Speaker 4: Jack?
Speaker 1: Now that he's throwed it back in the picture and
Speaker 1: there's a there's maybe a safer space and that what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen with Brooke and Sam? And then with deb
Speaker 1: debn Skills both now separating. There's all this open there's
Speaker 1: open runway in front of everyone except Dan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels exciting.
Speaker 1: I guess his open runway is the afterlife, whatever that
Speaker 1: looks like for Dan Scott his runways. Juliana says, what
Speaker 1: is one trend from your teenage years that you wish
Speaker 1: would come back? I say, listening to music? Like just
Speaker 1: everybody's on their phones now, man, just to get in
Speaker 1: the car, go for a drive and put on an
Speaker 1: album and listen to the record. Just that's what you're doing.
Speaker 1: You're just listening to the to the album together.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so funny that you said that, because I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, really, and I know they're wasteful and
Speaker 3: I know, but that's thing of you would put on
Speaker 3: an album to listen to it from top start to finish.
Speaker 3: You would buy a whole album you wouldn't listen to
Speaker 3: like songs in a jumbled Spotify playlist of the week
Speaker 3: learned by the algorithm. Like I miss putting a CD
Speaker 3: in and being like here, yeah, go, because a CD
Speaker 3: can't be interrupted by a phone call. You know, when
Speaker 3: we listened to music on our phones were also then
Speaker 3: just on our phones all the time, and our phones
Speaker 3: are designed to keep us on apps and social and
Speaker 3: email and texting, and I miss the folks of it.
Speaker 1: I miss when I would put a CD in and
Speaker 1: I had my three or four favorite songs, and I
Speaker 1: would just listen to those over and over. And then
Speaker 1: there were times when I'd put the album in and
Speaker 1: I'd kind of forget that it was on because I'd
Speaker 1: be doing something else. And then I'd find a song
Speaker 1: I had heard before that I kind of thought was boring,
Speaker 1: but then I hear it from a new perspective, and
Speaker 1: I fell in love with that one, and then I.
Speaker 3: Listen to some of the others.
Speaker 1: It's just a constant gift that keeps on giving, and
Speaker 1: now we don't really get that opportunity, which is why
Speaker 1: everyone just releases singles instead of albums because we all
Speaker 1: have the attention span of a gnat and I miss
Speaker 1: it it.
Speaker 3: I do want to just say I absolutely understand the
Speaker 3: irony of two women with ADHD talking about how we
Speaker 3: have to attention span. But it is a global thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, everyone hyper focus. Okay, it's a superpower.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, That's why one of my love languages is
Speaker 3: to unpack for people when they move. I'm like, please,
Speaker 3: please give me eight hours of boxes to open.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, give me a break from my life.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's like cat for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're spinning a wheel.
Speaker 3: D We're spinning a wheel.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I read the fan question.
Speaker 3: Go okay, who is most likely to blab their best
Speaker 3: friends secret?
Speaker 1: I can't think of anybody in real life, I mean,
Speaker 1: character wise, I don't know Rachel.
Speaker 3: I was going to Rachel too, which is funny because
Speaker 3: Danielle is such a good, safe vault of a human.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Rachel had that, especially in the
Speaker 3: high school years. Her character had that default of I'm
Speaker 3: going to weaponize what I know yet you. So I
Speaker 3: think that's probably why I think it's I.
Speaker 1: Feel like I could see a world where it's Bevin,
Speaker 1: but it's like a character wise yeah, yeah, character wise
Speaker 1: but an accident, or like she really is, like she
Speaker 1: didn't know it was a secret, or she's trying to
Speaker 1: she's trying to help, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can see Bevin like saying the secret
Speaker 3: again on camera Bevin Yeah, and then being.
Speaker 1: Like wait, I thought everybody, well, I'll take those two
Speaker 1: because I can't. I can't think of and even if
Speaker 1: I could, I wouldn't say it a real life person. No, no, thanks,
Speaker 1: we like friends.
Speaker 3: No, we we've been. We've been vaults for a long time.
Speaker 3: We shall continue to be. Next up, we have season
Speaker 3: six episode nineteen called letting Go.
Speaker 4: Goodbye, can Goodbye?
Speaker 3: See you next week?
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