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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them.

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Speaker 1: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride.

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Speaker 3: And our comic girl Cheering for the right Teams.

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Speaker 2: Drama, Queens up Girl Fashion, which your tough girl, you

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Speaker 2: could sit with us, Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama,

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Speaker 2: Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, friends, and welcome back to the States.

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Speaker 1: Joy, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys held down the fort. Well, I

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Speaker 1: was gone. I missed you, but I'm glad to be back.

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Speaker 1: And what an episode to come back to.

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Speaker 3: What an episode to come home to. And also you

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Speaker 3: poor thing to be so jat lagged for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay, I'm gonna survive. But yeah, it's the

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Speaker 1: second day. I took that flight from London to Nashville,

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Speaker 1: the direct flight yesterday, and it's the one you really

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Speaker 1: pm and you want to be able to actually fall

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Speaker 1: asleep at night. So it was it was fine, but

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Speaker 1: it got me. It got me the next day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the second day hit. Yeah, your body's like, what

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Speaker 3: do you mean sleep, we're supposed to be awake right now,

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Speaker 3: and then vice versa.

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Speaker 1: So if I don't make a lot of sense today,

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Speaker 1: y'all just can forgive me. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So when this episode opened on the SIMS, did you

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Speaker 3: think you were hallucinating or were you I clicked the

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Speaker 3: wrong show for a second.

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Speaker 1: What is this?

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Speaker 3: Why are we?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wait, it's Tree Hill characters. Okay, this is definitely something

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Speaker 1: there was. I can't even as soon as I saw

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Speaker 1: the hospital, yeah, it opened on the SIMS. But as

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Speaker 1: soon as I saw the hospital and then Dan's heart

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Speaker 1: the little beeper thing, I went, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I know you knew what the episodes guys, this is

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Speaker 3: the episode we get talked about. Well, I won't say

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Speaker 3: talked about the most, for I will say made fun

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's accurate.

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Speaker 3: It is none other than season six, episode eighteen, Searching

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Speaker 3: for a Former Clarity. The episode aired March twenty third,

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Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. Lucas and Julian hit a setback

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Speaker 3: with the production of the film when Julian's dad gets fired.

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Speaker 3: Peyton and Haley helped me out with her new single.

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Speaker 3: Brook must intervene when Sam is arrested for stealing. Not

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Speaker 3: sure she does it appropriately, but we'll get to that,

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Speaker 3: and Jamie discovers the truth about Dan and Uncle Keith.

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Speaker 3: This episode, there are such sweet moments in it, and

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Speaker 3: it's also such a doozy and yeah, dog eats a

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Speaker 3: have to say when it started on the SIMS, I literally,

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Speaker 3: out loud said why are we starting on the Sims?

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Speaker 3: And then I said why is Andy here? And then

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's funny.

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Speaker 3: But Dan's Sims animation to me looks like Karen's husband Andy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right he did. Oh that's so funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad it was only briefly though, the yeah the

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Speaker 1: of seeing things through Jamie's eyes, which they seemed to

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Speaker 1: do a lot of in this episode, just taking a

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Speaker 1: look at you know. Yeah, you're right. So there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of really poignant, meaningful moments, and then there

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Speaker 4: But I liked it.

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Speaker 1: I think overall, I'm just thinking about this now, like

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Speaker 1: if the dog eating the heart in the hospital was

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Speaker 1: not in this episode. Do I like this episode? And

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing. There has to be a way

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Speaker 3: for Dan to not get the heart.

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Speaker 3: The extreme choice of having a dog that's eaten pounds

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Speaker 1: Why is it sealed?

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Speaker 1: No, I think you're right. I think they The mistake

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Speaker 1: it really would have actually paid off. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: She was like, I'm gonna sit your ass down. I'm

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Speaker 1: There were ways, there were ways that could have improved that,

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Speaker 3: I've got mine in order. I will say I loved

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Speaker 1: Of that me too. It was there were a lot

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Speaker 1: all those little moments. They really were good. That Writer's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was something happening in this episode too,

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Speaker 1: And I love that he made this choice to come

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Speaker 3: I know what you mean. It's like he he really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he would he would take whatever was

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Speaker 3: It's like the guy you love to hate.

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Speaker 3: It was great.

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Speaker 1: It was the very masterful performance.

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Speaker 3: I really it's really fun when you get a charming villain. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know what it's it's not what I thought I've

438
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 3: learned the lesson. Okay, Like it's a really it's a

439
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: really brave thing and I like it and I like

440
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 3: that Nanny Debb is sorry cool.

441
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: So if what would that look like celebrating sacrifice, it's.

442
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 3: Not even necessarily the sacrifice. I just think we should

443
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: celebrate people when they make the best decision for them,

444
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: whether that's saying or leaving, whether that's deb honkering down

445
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: with skills or saying, I know this part of you

446
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: because by the way, we would all be healthier. And

447
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 3: to bring it back to the show, it's such a

448
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: healthy thing. She's modeling and she sees him and she's

449
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: just like, listen, I see this about you. And it's

450
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: a smart device in the writing that we get to

451
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: watch him coaching the kids because it's so cute and

452
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: it is so sweet, and we see Andre and Jamie

453
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: together and we love that their friendship is continuing. And

454
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: you know, the best three name we've ever heard is

455
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: coach uncle Skill and it just does it like melts

456
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: your heart. You know. He he sits those kids down

457
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: and he gives them these compliments and he tells them

458
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: why they're great even though they're small and no one's

459
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: in actually no one's actually a skilled athlete yet you know,

460
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: and you really do get to see that he has

461
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: an innate goodness with them, and that's what she mirrors

462
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: back to him. And she doesn't make it personal and

463
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: she doesn't make it emotional, and she's not cold, but

464
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: she's not sobbing. It's not this big thing. It's just like,

465
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: this is the end of the line for us because

466
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: we both want two very different outcomes. And that's okay,

467
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 3: I agree.

468
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Speaker 1: Another testament to Antoine's abilities to I don't know that

469
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: he was given not I don't know. He definitely wasn't

470
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: utilized to the best of his abilities on the show.

471
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: I mean, he got some moments, but man, I really

472
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: wish he had been integrated more heavily into a lot

473
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: of the storylines because he's just so capable, so capable

474
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: as an actor, going from fun and playful immediately into

475
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: dropping it and realizing how difficult this is going to be,

476
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: and just watching him go from being even playing a

477
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: teenager to being a really a strong young man who's

478
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: now growing up into a full grown man to figure

479
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: out what he wants with his life. He gave his

480
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: character such a such an arc that the writers didn't

481
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: give him. He took care of it himself. He just

482
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: was like, I got this, let me. You're not gonna

483
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: give it to me, let me just do it myself.

484
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: So talented.

485
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he always did. And it's so it's just so

486
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: much fun, I know, you know, And it's like you

487
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: sort of wonder, is it the chicken or the egg

488
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: right where you're like, well, he was always so good

489
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 3: at making a meal out of anything they gave him.

490
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: Did that make them a little lazier with him? Or

491
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: were they just, you know, folks based on the quote

492
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 3: unquote core five storylines more and then putting him in

493
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 3: where it felt like it made sense. I don't know,

494
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: but I agree, I just want more.

495
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that happens on a lot of TV

496
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: shows though, when you've got a character who's really charismatic

497
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: and an actor you can just trust to run with something. Yeah,

498
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 1: I think they do. At the end of the day,

499
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The ones that are

500
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: like you can rely on are just kind of okay, well,

501
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: we can trust him, He'll take care of this. But yeah,

502
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean I can't. I would love to see more

503
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: of him. I love seeing more of antoine and anything. Honestly, yeah, I.

504
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 3: Do want to. I'm just gonna say it now, because

505
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: perhaps that's that musing or questioning I just did. It

506
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: is going to be viewed as a criticism of the writers.

507
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: I didn't mean it to be, but I actually do

508
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: have a major criticism. I hate hate that they made

509
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: me use the R word in that scene with Sam.

510
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: I hated it then, I hate it now. I think

511
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: the idea that like a foster parent would say that

512
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: to a kid, I don't know. I just I hated

513
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: it so much, but it was a battle that I lost.

514
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: They wanted the fight to be like explosive and whatever,

515
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: and it makes me feel so cringey.

516
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: Now, wait, but she didn't say that Sam was. She

517
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: was saying that she told the store owner as that,

518
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: like as an excuse. It was meant as a comedic moment, right,

519
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just clarifying, like

520
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: what the.

521
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I think it was meant as a comedic moment,

522
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: but I just think it's like, I think it's so ugly.

523
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: I think like, if you have to punch down to

524
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: tell a joke, you're just not that good at telling jokes. Yeah,

525
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: and oh boy, I hate it so much. But I

526
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: will say in the like mediate like, oh I remember

527
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: this day and like the fights about it. I also

528
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: remember something that I like, which is they were like,

529
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: this has to be like an explosive fight, and I

530
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: was like, I can't just like scream at her because

531
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: I am like.

532
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I was expecting Unfixable to be the thing that you

533
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: fought on.

534
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I did love that either, but

535
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: the idea where the idea that it had to be

536
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: so explosive for everything to change later, for her to

537
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: go to Julian on my behalf, for Julian to come

538
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: to me on her behalf, for us to make up

539
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: over Jack, like all the stuff that I loved so much.

540
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: It was actually a moment that I was really grateful

541
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: to be pushed because the conversation was if it's not

542
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: something you feel so bad about doing, the payoff won't

543
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: be as big for the audience when you feel bad

544
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: about yep. And And it's really interesting because sometimes it

545
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: made me think like, yeah, sometimes I have this instinct

546
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: where I don't want I don't want my character to

547
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: be an asshole, especially six years in I love Brooke Davis,

548
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: and I am like, I think she knows better than

549
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: this by now, But the reality is that human beings

550
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: made mistakes. And by the time I got to the

551
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: end of the episode, I was like, they were right.

552
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: Having me really flip out and really raise my voice

553
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: was right. It was the right call. I needed to

554
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: really go overboard so I could apologize for going overboard, okay,

555
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: And it was so funny to me to be watching

556
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 3: it at you know, in twenty year twenty four and

557
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: be like, I remember how upset I was about this

558
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, and I'm glad. I I'm

559
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: glad I was pushed.

560
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: That's great. No, I'm glad you were too. Yeah, and

561
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad you.

562
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: You brain is shutting down.

563
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 4: I have no vocabulary words.

564
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: When you give in whatever, there's a better word for that,

565
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: when you when you go yes, I thought I was

566
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: a C word, but I can figure it out. Thank

567
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: you when you And I'm glad that you did, because

568
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: I agree. It was a total It was a payoff,

569
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: totally worth experiencing. It really was, and it was great

570
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: for Sam's character too, to be able to go through

571
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: that arc of walking through the whole episode and feeling

572
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: like I really am unfixable, and then to have that

573
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: mirrored back to her, Actually, I was wrong.

574
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

575
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: There's so many great things that happen when a adult

576
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: admits they were wrong to a child. Yes, it's so powerful.

577
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen in my own life with my daughter.

578
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: It's been powerful for me even in my adult life

579
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: when one of my parents has apologized for something. It's

580
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: really powerful. I loved seeing that.

581
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: And I think, what's cool about it? You know, it's

582
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: really interesting right having this perspective twenty years after the

583
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: show came out, Because one of the words we use

584
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: on this podcast a lot is modeling, Like what are

585
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: we modeling for our audience? What are we you know?

586
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: What were we modeling then? That we can see now?

587
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: And I really think it's important. What you're talking about is,

588
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: especially when kids are young and adults are willing to

589
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: admit that they were wrong or apologize for mistakes, or

590
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: say they're sorry for raising their voice or hurting their

591
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: feelings or whatever it might have been. It also teaches

592
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: kids that they are allowed to make mistakes and that

593
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: the mistakes are not catastrophic. Yes, they are allowed to

594
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: be imperfect and it's totally human and okay. And as

595
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: a person who does a lot of therapy for this,

596
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: cut to the ad JK, I know how transformative it's

597
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: been to begin to have that with my own family,

598
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: even as an adult, because I didn't.

599
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think the reason you were fighting back

600
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: on it so much when you were younger is because, like,

601
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: did you have trouble admitting when you feel like you

602
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: had made a mistake in real life?

603
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: You didn't know where to put it, like was it?

604
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: Did it feel like there was shame and so you

605
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: didn't know where to put it and you didn't want

606
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: Brooke to feel that way.

607
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think anything that pushes like on the shame

608
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: button is hard for me because there there was just

609
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: no room for mistakes like that didn't That just was

610
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: not a thing that was allowed. And the irony is

611
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: like perfectionism is when you are ingrained to be or

612
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: become a perfectionist, you are consciously or unconsciously signing yourself

613
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: up to be a constant failure because perfection doesn't exist,

614
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: So it just like keeps you living in a shame

615
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: spol And I think what's really powerful about what you're saying,

616
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: like modeling with your kid. Now, what I've been able

617
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: to see shift in my family as an adult with

618
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 3: my own you know parents, and what I see with

619
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: so many of the parents in my life is the

620
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: space you know for fallibility and for mistake and having

621
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: it be something you don't have to be ashamed at

622
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: all is such a big deal. And the interesting thing

623
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: is that I can see how much shame Sam carries

624
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: and how that's one of the things that Brooke wants

625
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: her not to feel. But in a way Brooke has

626
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: to make her feel ashamed in this episode for them

627
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: to both learn.

628
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: That's a great point.

629
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Speaker 1: I love when I see that happen in stories like

630
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: these or just in real life, when the thing that

631
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: you're going through or the mistake that like the mistake

632
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: that I make and feel horrible about and then I

633
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: have to go back and apologize or whatever, and then

634
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: seeing how the other person actually needed that, Like Maria

635
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: for example, if I do something, I yell or I whatever, whatever,

636
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: whatever it is all the many millions of mistakes that

637
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: I have made as a parent, and going back and

638
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: then it does it gives her the permission. And when

639
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: you kind of pull back for a bird's eye view

640
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: and look at the cosmic meanings of things like this,

641
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, so, in a way, my mistake

642
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: was always meant to happen because it's providing the sense

643
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: of mercy and space for another person to realize, Oh,

644
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: it's okay to make mistakes, and we're all just doing

645
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: that for each other, like handing off the permissions to

646
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: be human.

647
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 4: It's lovely.

648
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it really is. And it's like, I think,

649
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: the interesting thing about what I see in Brooke and

650
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: Sam's dynamic from this vantage point is they both really

651
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: see the best in each other, and they both see

652
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: the way the other gets in their own way. Like

653
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: you can see where Sam gets in her own way,

654
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: and Sam fully calls Brooke out on how she's getting

655
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: in her own way and calls Joy.

656
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: And she the message on the machine.

657
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: So good, and her grabbing the phone and being like, yeah,

658
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 3: she's right here, and forcing the adult in the room

659
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: to talk to the other adult because they're the ones

660
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: being children and they won't do it. Like, I love

661
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: the dynamics so much, and I love I love that

662
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: because someone is advocating for her in this new way,

663
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: it really does force Brook to confront the fact that

664
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: she is terrified to be in love with someone again.

665
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: You know, she's just like, I don't know if I was.

666
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: Doing you by the way that opening sequence with you

667
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: and Austin with the I don't do that last I

668
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: love you. Oh yeah, so funny, Yeah, really funny. I

669
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: know you guys are great together.

670
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. We I mean, we just have so much good

671
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: chemistry and like, you know, we've known each other since

672
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: we were twenty three years old, Like there is so

673
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: much even now, like there's just so much affection between us,

674
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: and I love getting to look back at There's really

675
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: something too, I think when you have such deep familiarity

676
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 3: with people, like if he'd if he'd been a stranger cast,

677
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure we would have, you know, found something great.

678
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: But like, sure, there's a when you have a depth

679
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: of familiarity on camera with someone, it adds like a

680
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 3: little something special. And I yeah, I don't know. I

681
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: love their dynamic together. I'm like, I room for these two.

682
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 3: They're very cutey.

683
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: I did too, and it's kind of immediate too. I mean, well,

684
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, you like Brooke and Owen. I liked the

685
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: doctor guy that she never got to have a relationship

686
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: with I liked I'm trying to you know, Brooke and

687
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: Lucas had their moment that there was some really fun

688
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: stuff there, but it wasn't It wasn't electric like it

689
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: is on camera with Man. You guys are so great

690
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: and it's that friendship. It's the familiarity, it's the ease

691
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: of moving around each other where it's you're not getting

692
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: to know a new actor in each other's mannerisms and

693
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: it's just so so much comfort and you could see that.

694
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: And I really love these two together a lot.

695
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: I feel like I see the exact same thing in

696
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: Haley and Nathan in this episode too, Like you and

697
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: James have such a good shared language after all these

698
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 3: years that I love the humor that they put into

699
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: the dynamic of him sort of sitting back and letting

700
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: you like hurricane around because you're mad and you're hurt

701
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: and you're righteous and you're all these things that you

702
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: absolutely deserve to be and he's just like you reorganize

703
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: in the kitchen, like it really killed me in I

704
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 3: also was like, wow, this is like a moment where

705
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: as a viewer, I feel a little attacked because I

706
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: reorganize the kitchen when I am stressed out, I was like,

707
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: why do we do that? Is that just like, is

708
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: that like such an adhd thing that we do where

709
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: we're like, wow, I don't want to deal with this.

710
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: So what I'm going to do is alphabetize the spice.

711
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, I don't well, I don't tend

712
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: to do that in a I guess it's two different

713
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: types of neurodivergent. You can always have a different flavor.

714
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: My flavor is I'll do that in the middle of

715
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: the argument, Like I get avoidant in the middle of it,

716
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: and I'm organizing the drawer while I'm trying to have

717
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: a real conversation.

718
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: It's like, your hands need to be busy for your

719
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: mind to have something to do.

720
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: It's probably my pride too, because it's too vulnerable to

721
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: just sit and stare at somebody in the eyes and

722
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: be like, I'm mad at you.

723
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: Why did you say that?

724
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: This is uncomfortable?

725
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels better. Just be like, I'm going to

726
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: organize the drawer and you can think about what you did.

727
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can sit there and look at me while

728
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: I do something productive.

729
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: It's right, it's right. It's so dumb and transparent.

730
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: I loved the I loved the phone call with you guys.

731
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: I thought that it was so sweet and it just

732
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: made me giggle. It felt really familiar. I thought it

733
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: was great writing. And then when you circle back and

734
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: you know, he's telling you the things he knows about you, right,

735
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: that you're going to do the right thing, that you're

736
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: gonna that you're you're going to figure it out. And

737
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: I love that we see as the episode goes on,

738
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: Haley really sink into the realization that the right thing

739
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: is the true thing. And I'm going to tell these

740
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: kids and yes, I'm I'm gonna lose my job and

741
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: it's going to be awful and they will miss out

742
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: on the rest of the year in my class, but

743
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: this will be the example I can set for them

744
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: that they will never forget. Yeah, And I thought that was.

745
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: It's great cool, Yeah, because when somebody I was thinking

746
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: about that too, that storyline that that is how tough

747
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: decisions come up. It's like it's going to have to

748
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: be one thing or the other, and when somebody puts

749
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: you in a position where you have to either do

750
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: it their way or lose. I don't know, something that's

751
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: important to you or it put you know you're gonna

752
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna cost someone else something, like her class is

753
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: going to lose. They're a really great teacher. But at

754
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's not on her, that's

755
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: on principal rim GISs. Is that what I called this

756
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: was her name red ho No, but it is. It's

757
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: on her and Haley. I really appreciated watching watching her

758
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: as you know, I'm removed now it's been so long

759
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: because I don't really remember doing this storyline.

760
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: But.

761
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: Walking with the character through realizing I've been put into

762
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: this position by someone else and I just can't. You

763
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: can't force me to change because of whatever your power

764
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: thing Like, I just can't. And I want to stay

765
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: here for these students and I want to be the

766
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: best teacher that they've ever had, but not at the

767
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: expense of you know, truth and what she feels. So

768
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: she's she walks out, and I kind of was surprised

769
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: because I didn't remember what actually was going to happen.

770
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: I thought maybe Haley was going to just go, yeah,

771
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: look I didn't. I didn't do what I was told

772
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: to do because there is something a little complicated about that,

773
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: like that's her boss. That's her boss telling her you're

774
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: not allowed to do this, and so I guess technically

775
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: she could have said, I disobeyed my employer. I went

776
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: against what I was told to do as an employee,

777
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: and therefore I'm suffering consequences for it. I mean, I

778
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: guess you could have made a case for it. But anyway, sorry,

779
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm just babbling through that in my brain.

780
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: No, it's but it does. It gives you that like

781
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: yucky taste, and I think it's really interesting because I

782
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: could see that it gave you that yucky taste in

783
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 3: your mouth. When Nathan said to Haley, sometimes you gotta

784
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: play the game, you were like, no, I don't want to.

785
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 3: This isn't one of those times. And I think there

786
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: is something to be said for that, when you have

787
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: that sort of intuition and you go, no, this is different.

788
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: Something's different. And yeah, I just I loved it, this

789
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: whole storyline for you. I love when you get, you know,

790
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: the opportunity to be like frustrated and pissed, and I

791
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: love that it winds up giving us this like you know,

792
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: girls summer camp energy in the studio.

793
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fun, it's fun. I'm excited to see what

794
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: happened with MIA's record too. I don't remember much of

795
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: the Mia storyline, so this will be fun to see

796
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, and Peyton kind of got a break

797
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: in this episode. There wasn't much except for her dealing. Yeah,

798
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: she had so much in the previous so much heavy.

799
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was wondering, and I don't know if you remember,

800
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: but I was like, what were Hillary and James doing

801
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: because they both really really got a break on this one,

802
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: and I was like, did they get sent somewhere to

803
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: like do something or did they just get lucky and

804
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 3: have a couple of days to like walk around downtown

805
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: or go to the beach. I don't know.

806
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Okay, But speaking of Nathan, I really loved seeing him

807
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: out on the river Court with Lucas again. Any time

808
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: I see those boys together on the river Court, it

809
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: makes me so happy. And it was really fun on

810
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: the heels of Lucas and Julian creating these new river

811
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: Court memories, but really folding Julian in with everybody.

812
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

813
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 4: I thought that was a really.

814
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: Smart, fun nuanced way of bringing him into the family,

815
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: which clearly he was brought in by the next season. Yeah,

816
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I love seeing those boys. Anytime we get to see

817
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: those boys on the court, and watching the two of them,

818
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: two brothers come to grips with the death of their father,

819
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: the impending death of their father, and talking about it

820
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: so casually, but also he's bravatas, but it's like, what

821
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: do we do with this? We can't we keep going

822
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: around and around in this circle with him. I guess

823
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: it's over weird.

824
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot to carry. And I thought I

825
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: was really glad that they got to laugh a bit

826
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: when Lucas told Nathan had happened. It was it was

827
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: the sort of this is ridiculous, comic relief that we

828
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: all needed, even as viewers, And then to see them

829
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: begin to sink into the heavier bits and then Dan

830
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: show up, it felt nice. Yeah, you know it. It

831
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: was nice to see them, to your point, trying to

832
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: make sense of this thing that makes no sense at

833
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 3: all together.

834
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree this. I love that this episode

835
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: set us up so much for the future. There were

836
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: so many doors that opened up in this episode for

837
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: what's going to happen next. What's going to happen with

838
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: Mia Peyton was set up in the previous episode and

839
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Haley now no job? What's

840
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: going to happen with Brooke and Julian Now he's leaving.

841
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: What's going to happen with Sam and.

842
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 4: Jack?

843
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: Now that he's throwed it back in the picture and

844
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: there's a there's maybe a safer space and that what's

845
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: gonna happen with Brooke and Sam? And then with deb

846
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: debn Skills both now separating. There's all this open there's

847
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: open runway in front of everyone except Dan.

848
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels exciting.

849
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: I guess his open runway is the afterlife, whatever that

850
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: looks like for Dan Scott his runways. Juliana says, what

851
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: is one trend from your teenage years that you wish

852
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: would come back? I say, listening to music? Like just

853
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: everybody's on their phones now, man, just to get in

854
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: the car, go for a drive and put on an

855
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: album and listen to the record. Just that's what you're doing.

856
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: You're just listening to the to the album together.

857
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so funny that you said that, because I

858
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: was gonna say, really, and I know they're wasteful and

859
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: I know, but that's thing of you would put on

860
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: an album to listen to it from top start to finish.

861
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: You would buy a whole album you wouldn't listen to

862
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 3: like songs in a jumbled Spotify playlist of the week

863
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 3: learned by the algorithm. Like I miss putting a CD

864
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: in and being like here, yeah, go, because a CD

865
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 3: can't be interrupted by a phone call. You know, when

866
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: we listened to music on our phones were also then

867
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: just on our phones all the time, and our phones

868
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 3: are designed to keep us on apps and social and

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Speaker 3: email and texting, and I miss the folks of it.

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Speaker 1: I miss when I would put a CD in and

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00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: I had my three or four favorite songs, and I

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00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: would just listen to those over and over. And then

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Speaker 1: there were times when I'd put the album in and

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00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: I'd kind of forget that it was on because I'd

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Speaker 1: be doing something else. And then I'd find a song

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Speaker 1: I had heard before that I kind of thought was boring,

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Speaker 1: but then I hear it from a new perspective, and

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00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: I fell in love with that one, and then I.

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Speaker 3: Listen to some of the others.

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Speaker 1: It's just a constant gift that keeps on giving, and

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Speaker 1: now we don't really get that opportunity, which is why

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00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: everyone just releases singles instead of albums because we all

883
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: have the attention span of a gnat and I miss

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Speaker 1: it it.

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Speaker 3: I do want to just say I absolutely understand the

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Speaker 3: irony of two women with ADHD talking about how we

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Speaker 3: have to attention span. But it is a global thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, everyone hyper focus. Okay, it's a superpower.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, That's why one of my love languages is

890
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: to unpack for people when they move. I'm like, please,

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00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 3: please give me eight hours of boxes to open.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, give me a break from my life.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's like cat for me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're spinning a wheel.

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Speaker 3: D We're spinning a wheel.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I read the fan question.

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Speaker 3: Go okay, who is most likely to blab their best

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Speaker 3: friends secret?

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Speaker 1: I can't think of anybody in real life, I mean,

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Speaker 1: character wise, I don't know Rachel.

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Speaker 3: I was going to Rachel too, which is funny because

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Speaker 3: Danielle is such a good, safe vault of a human.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Rachel had that, especially in the

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Speaker 3: high school years. Her character had that default of I'm

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Speaker 3: going to weaponize what I know yet you. So I

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Speaker 3: think that's probably why I think it's I.

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Speaker 1: Feel like I could see a world where it's Bevin,

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Speaker 1: but it's like a character wise yeah, yeah, character wise

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Speaker 1: but an accident, or like she really is, like she

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Speaker 1: didn't know it was a secret, or she's trying to

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00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: she's trying to help, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can see Bevin like saying the secret

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00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: again on camera Bevin Yeah, and then being.

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Speaker 1: Like wait, I thought everybody, well, I'll take those two

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00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: because I can't. I can't think of and even if

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Speaker 1: I could, I wouldn't say it a real life person. No, no, thanks,

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Speaker 1: we like friends.

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Speaker 3: No, we we've been. We've been vaults for a long time.

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Speaker 3: We shall continue to be. Next up, we have season

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Speaker 3: six episode nineteen called letting Go.

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Speaker 4: Goodbye, can Goodbye?

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Speaker 3: See you next week?

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for listening.

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