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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And then and tie Dan Rubinstein

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Speaker 1: happy be Tuesday, My good friend, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good, ty. This is where we're spanning the gap, right,

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Speaker 2: this is a gap episode. Some people take a gap year.

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Speaker 2: This is our gap episode between weeks four and five.

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Speaker 2: If memory serves yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So we do our recap episodes late at night on

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Speaker 1: Saturday slash early morning Sunday. We recap all that we can.

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Speaker 1: There are some games that we did not get to

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Speaker 1: And along with that, yes, comes the ability to vote

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Speaker 1: The over under for YU is four and a half

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Speaker 1: They've exceeded those expectations. Already full stop. My issue is

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Speaker 2: Who are your Ashanti Index leading two teams. Then in

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, I don't think they're going away. It's just

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying so far that like, you can

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Speaker 2: Utah offense was mostly Mackai Bernard, but like even Dorian Singer,

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Speaker 2: all other teams. TCU isn't there. UCF went down to TCU,

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Speaker 1: Game, and I get a TCU take here in.

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Speaker 2: Kansas is not in a great place in this moment.

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Speaker 2: I like the guttiness of West Virginia, but that opening

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Speaker 1: TCU got drilled in the skillet game by SMU. I

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Speaker 1: How many did they give up sixty six to SMU?

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Speaker 1: Is it negative negative point zero one per rush? All right?

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Speaker 1: too many coin flips. I like Sonny Dike's as a coach. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Can we hold out hope that this was a rivalry

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Speaker 1: But you would think they'd be up rivalry. I would

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Speaker 2: I don't know that was but it's a rivalry for

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Speaker 2: but like the energy in that stadium had rivalry energy,

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, I guess that makes sense that

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Speaker 1: There is a premium acc feel to it. Yes, of course.

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Speaker 2: I think Georgia Tech might be a pass rush away

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Speaker 2: But like, I like Haines king Man, and like, I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: snake bite on his career thus far.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you I watched that game back.

433
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Speaker 1: Uh huh. I can't see myself. I need to do

434
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: the full research. Yeah, I can't see myself picking Notre

435
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: Dame over Louisville. I can't see it. I am what

436
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: am I betting on on the Notre Dame side.

437
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 2: I mean the the way that they make you feel right,

438
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: that as soon as you feel down about them, they'd

439
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: beat Perdue by fifty.

440
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: There is there is a chance that this Notre Dame

441
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: team plays up to or down to all of its

442
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 1: competition right, and they don't exhibit any kill or instinct

443
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: and blow anyone other than Perdue out of the water.

444
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: There's a real chance we have that kind of season

445
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, which would suck. As a fan, I

446
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: hate that, but there's a chance that exists. I'm just

447
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: looking at this game and I'm thinking Marcus Streaman got

448
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: out coached a year ago on the road at Louisville.

449
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: They were good enough, more talented than that Louisville team,

450
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 1: and they got smoked, especially on the ground, and everyone

451
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: you and I included knew it was coming. And I'm

452
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: just wondering now with Louisville going to South Bend this weekend,

453
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: with Notre Dame taking some issues, taking some injury issues,

454
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: excuse me, along both lines, I'm wondering if it's not

455
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: more of the same. So right now, early Lean is

456
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: Louisville plus whatever, because I just I get good vibes

457
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: from Louisville that I don't get from Notre Dame. Hey,

458
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: maybe this year Notre Dame is just an opponent snob, right.

459
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they really take things seriously. You've come across

460
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,719
Speaker 2: people in your life, I'm sure right that when they

461
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: act dismissive of somebody, they act above it all. But

462
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: then they find out that somebody is actually like secretly

463
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: this or secretly that, or is this or is like

464
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: a friend of this, and they're like, oh, nice to

465
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: see you, right, and then like the whole outlook of

466
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: that conversation and social interaction changes. Maybe that's who Notre

467
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: Dame is. Like they hated being seen in a room

468
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 2: with Nius.

469
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: They're like, whatever, we'll figure this out.

470
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 2: And then but then as soon as like Drew Pine

471
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame get that Clemson game, they're like, oh

472
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: my gosh, what a joy it is to be in

473
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: the stadium today. Maybe that's who Notre Dame is. And

474
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 2: they'll they'll beat Louisville because they'll be impressed with Louisville's status.

475
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm just maybe they will, and they should. They're more

476
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: to component snob, they should first. But I don't know.

477
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: I don't know.

478
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: I okay, So I like Louisville a lot watching them back,

479
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: and I don't know what their ceiling is against strong

480
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: teams because Georgia Tech doesn't have the defense up front,

481
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: They're just not in a place to compete against the

482
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: best of the ACC. I think maybe all the time,

483
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: but sometimes I like Buster Faukner at Georgia Tech. I

484
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: like the offense he called like it's an inventive offense

485
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: that moves the chains. But yeah, Louisville's in it looks

486
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: like they're in a good place. That's what I came

487
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: away with after watching that. I also watched texts A

488
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: and M Bowling green back. Did you watch any of that?

489
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: That was sort of happening at night as we were prepping.

490
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: I only saw highlights of that one. I do have

491
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: a Bowling Green thought that maybe I can piggyback off

492
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: of whatever you're going to say here.

493
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: Harold Fan in number one overall twenty twenty five NFL Draft,

494
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: because I'm right there with you.

495
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Harold Perkins, Harold Perkins, excuse me when an acl

496
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: which is a huge bummer. Yeah.

497
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 2: So, yeah, there's room at the top. A and M

498
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: has some work to do, and that's okay. It's like

499
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: game four, three or four of the Mike Elco season,

500
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: and it's a backup quarterback in Marcel Reid offensive line

501
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: struggles in the first half. You mentioned Harold Fan and

502
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: had difficulty with him on that long touchdown catch. Man

503
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: Connor Beslak had Fann in wide open. I think they

504
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 2: were down nine, it was like twenty six seventeen near

505
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: the end of that game, wide open and threw a

506
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: really bad pick in the end zone. So that would

507
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: have made it like twenty six, twenty four something like that.

508
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: And they actually managed to get the ball back with

509
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: not that much time left. But Bowling Green feisty A

510
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: and m ways to go, especially like I don't know,

511
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: like Bowling Green was running on them on the outside,

512
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: like see.

513
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, here's the thing, and this is where

514
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm going with this next. The MAC looks really spicy

515
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: this year. And I am not saying this with any

516
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: kind of playoff thing in mind. I don't care about that.

517
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these teams are good enough

518
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: to be in the playoff. But let me revert back

519
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: to something I said in the preseason. I kind of

520
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: want to treat the MAC like it's its own universe

521
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: this year. Okay, I forget about these outside for us

522
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: is just focus in on what the conference is going

523
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: to be like once they all start playing each other.

524
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: My thought at the start of the year was it's

525
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: gonna be Miami Ohio and Toledo again, because it's always

526
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: those two teams. It's been those two teams for a decade. Yeah,

527
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: but I was interested in some of these other schools,

528
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: and more to the point of the game that we're

529
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: going to play in a little bit. I feel like

530
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: I was right. I feel like I was right about Niu.

531
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: I said, n I use a quarterback away, and they

532
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: got some better quarterback play, perhaps than we expected. Obviously,

533
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: they beat Notre Dame lost this week to Buffalo. Buffalo

534
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: is interesting too because Buffalo plays defense. Buffalo is one

535
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: of the few teams in that conference that actually has

536
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: a formidable defense. I think they're going to be in

537
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: the mix for this thing. Bowling Green team you just mentioned.

538
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: Bowling Green went to State College and lost by seven.

539
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: Just went to Kyle Field and lost by six. Obviously,

540
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: if you are playing in places like that and those

541
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: types of venues and you're able to hang and it

542
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: wasn't a fluke in both cases, they played damn hard

543
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: against Penn State and Texas A and M. They were

544
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: a tough out. Whether or not they can maintain that

545
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: level of intensity as they get into their max schedule

546
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: that remains to be seen. But I think the MAC

547
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: would be really really interesting to follow, again, separate from

548
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: all the other chatter. If there are five teams that

549
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: are vying for that crown, Yeah, that makes for a

550
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: fun watch, especially since they played during the week and

551
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: things like there's a real rooting interest here for me

552
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: now in the mac that I did, I partially saw coming,

553
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: but didn't expect that it would balloon out the way

554
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: that it has so far with these five schools.

555
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: I have a thought on Arkansas football after watching more

556
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: of the Arkansas Auburn game. Do you remember Chris Douglas

557
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Roberts for Memphis basketball and like the late two thousands, Yes,

558
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: he was there with Derek Rose. I just remember that

559
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: name because I my memory of that era of Memphis

560
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: basketball was like, Okay, Derek Rose is like a point guard,

561
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: but like he's also kind of a shooting guard. And

562
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: they had like a bunch of like this guy's a

563
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: small forward, but he's also kind of a power forward.

564
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: This guy's a center, but he's also kind of a

565
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: shooting guard. Like they were like a very good athletic

566
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: positionless team. Yeah, and that's sort of my view of

567
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: the Arkansas offense. Like they've got a bunch of fast,

568
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: athletic dudes. And I don't think Taylor Green somebody who's

569
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: gonna like throw for four hundred and seventy one yards

570
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: in a winning effort ever, But I appreciate that they're

571
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: using him in a creative way. I appreciate the the

572
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: athletic nature and versatility of that backfield. I appreciate even

573
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: though they don't have like a superstar SEC receiver that

574
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: like Andrew Armstrong's pretty dependable, and they've got other guys

575
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: on that offense that like, it's kind of a positionless,

576
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: fun basketball football team, the Arkansas offense, and you throw

577
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: in some like weird interceptions from the Auburn quarterbacks and

578
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: huge like coverage bus from the Arkansas defense. I think

579
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: it was what KeAndre Lambert Smith had.

580
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: A couple of big plays. He did a nice game.

581
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: He did have a nice game, but it was I

582
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: don't remember what was it.

583
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: Twenty four to fourteen was the final score Arkansas won

584
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: that game. That like, there's a certain fun, must watch

585
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: TV quality to this Arkansas offense this year. That they're

586
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: gonna lose a game Inspectator fashion, right, But I don't know,

587
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna be kind of fun to watch if they're

588
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: gonna stay creative and if Taylor Green keeps trying to

589
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: hurtle over dudes who are already jumping in the air

590
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: high up kicking them in the face mask, like.

591
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

592
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: I'm curious about Arkansas this year, more so than I

593
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: thought I would be.

594
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna need to snake a win from somebody. They're

595
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: gonna need to beat A and M this week, or

596
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: Tennessee or LSU or Ole miss or Texas or Miszoo,

597
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: all of which project as healthy losses at this point.

598
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Maybe with the A and M exception that one looks

599
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: to be somewhat close. Yeah, but right now, sitting at

600
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: three and one, seems as if they're gonna have wins

601
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: against Mississippi State and Louisiana Tech. Something drastically changes Arkansas

602
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: getting to a bowl against this schedule, would I think

603
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: you keep Sam Pittman if they get to a bowl

604
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: against the schedule. The schedule's murder, It's absolute murder. And

605
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: nobody expected that they would have this kind of season.

606
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: They have looked really good. They have looked really really good. Man,

607
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: they should have been in Oklahoma State and they didn't.

608
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: Right I feel like they're one of these teams that's

609
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: just going to be in every game. They're going to

610
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: be in every game, and that's part of why I

611
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: keep picking them, because I just I want to root

612
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: for them. I want to watch them because I think

613
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: it makes for good TV. I like Taylor Green. I

614
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: think what they're doing to your point, I think it's creative.

615
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: I think it's fun. There are a lot of guys

616
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: that they're using in interesting ways. I just want to

617
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: watch Arkansas football, and if that is the only thing

618
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: that comes out of this season, that's a positive development

619
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: because they were down bad at the end of last season.

620
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: The fact now that this at least seems exciting again

621
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: is a good place.

622
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: My initial reaction with their schedule that you mentioned is

623
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: they have LSU in a sandwich spot for LSU, it's

624
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: after Ole miss and before A and M. Yeah, that

625
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: might be a sixty eight sixty three game. Oh yeah,

626
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: the Arkansas LSU game and regulation three. That is to

627
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: me one of.

628
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: The more exciting TV shows we have in the next

629
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: few weeks. So it was a good neck crack for

630
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Florida beating Mississippi State on the road, and especially for

631
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: quarterback morale because there are only two incompletions between Graham

632
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: Mertz and DJ Lagway. They're now two and two. Florida

633
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: is there on a bye week if they lose to

634
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: UCF next week, it's over for Navier. It's done because

635
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: the defense is still getting worked over pretty good despite

636
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: the fact that they won. They give up twenty eight

637
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: to Mississippi State. Yeah, there is a stretch of offensive

638
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: firepower coming at Florida right now that they simply do

639
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: not have answers for. So they gotta win that UCF game.

640
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: It's a black guy if you don't beat UCF. No

641
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: disrespect to UCF.

642
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: UCF's past defense thus far limited sample size is terrible.

643
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: It's a ted rush Say no more, Say no mare.

644
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: It's ted Roof defense. I guess no.

645
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: Not only is it ted Roof defense, but it's like

646
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: an especially bad ted Roof defense.

647
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Of course it is. It's ted Roof. This is might

648
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Speaker 1: be that Roof does.

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Speaker 2: They might have the worst pass rush of any FBS

650
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Speaker 2: team I think relative to schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's awful. This is this is who this guy. He's

652
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Speaker 1: always been this guy, Yeah, the whole time, he's always been.

653
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Speaker 1: He can coach a rush defense from time to time,

654
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Speaker 1: but he's not gonna coach against the pass. He just does.

655
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, he just doesn't. UCF.

656
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Speaker 2: Currently this is per Bill Connelly's sp plus numbers, They

657
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Speaker 2: have the number two sp plus rush defense success right,

658
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Speaker 2: number two in the country pass defense one hundred and fourth.

659
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Speaker 1: How does that happen? That's something? Okay, what else? I

660
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Speaker 1: got Indiana with an eighteen percent chance of going ten

661
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Speaker 1: and two? Hell yeah, right now, that's the way it projects.

662
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Speaker 1: These things change a lot, but the projection is a

663
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Speaker 1: ten and two Indiana that loses to Michigan and Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: So the converce Indiana has been what did you call

665
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Speaker 1: them the war machine something like that, Yeah, the deaf

666
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Speaker 1: machine Indiana. The conversation has been around their offense because

667
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Speaker 1: they've been scoring points hilariously. So they've been blowing everybody

668
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Speaker 1: out of the water, currently first in the nation in

669
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Speaker 1: your favorite stat points per drive boom. I actually think

670
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Speaker 1: the bigger story is defense, though yeah, brought us a

671
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Speaker 1: bunch of those jam you guys up front. I think

672
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Speaker 1: the bigger story is defense because in the preseason it

673
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Speaker 1: looked like this was going to be a huge work

674
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Speaker 1: in progress. It took in a ton of transfers, they

675
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Speaker 1: were learning a bunch of new systems right on both

676
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Speaker 1: sides of the ball. Frankly, the expectation was, hey, even

677
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Speaker 1: if they're better, even if they're the same. Regardless, it's

678
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Speaker 1: going to take a while to gel. They are currently

679
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Speaker 1: number two nationally in turnover margin. They are getting after

680
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Speaker 1: the ball, they're playing really really solid defense. This is

681
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Speaker 1: not to say it's going to stay this way the

682
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Speaker 1: whole year through, but these are opponent adjusted numbers that

683
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Speaker 1: we're looking at here. They have far exceeded everybody's expectations

684
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Speaker 1: just through yeah, four weeks of the season. And again,

685
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Speaker 1: more to the point of teams that are fun to

686
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Speaker 1: root for, Indiana is an unlikely target in that capacity,

687
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Speaker 1: Indiana rooting for them. Feeling this good about Indiana football,

688
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like you have to go back to

689
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Speaker 1: Antoine Randalll before I since I got these vibes from

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Speaker 1: Indiana football. They're just a lot of fun to watch

691
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Speaker 1: right now. And they're good. They're genuinely good. And they've

692
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Speaker 1: played nobody.

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Speaker 2: They played nobody UCLA, who is probably going to.

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Speaker 1: Struggle this year Western Illinois and fight you whatever.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, take care of business. That's not always an

696
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Speaker 2: Indiana priority. And I wouldn't go back to Antoine randall Ll.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they had Michael Pennix doing really fun things

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Speaker 2: a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was I don't want to talk about

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Speaker 1: that because he beat Penn State on the COVID year

701
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Speaker 1: and that yeah, front pipe, yep. I have two other

702
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Speaker 1: thoughts here and then I'll kick it over to you.

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Speaker 1: We do have a game we're going to play. We're

704
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Speaker 1: also going to preview as part of our Early Bird special.

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Speaker 1: Some of these games a little bit later on in

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Speaker 1: the place, so we got to move. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to keep people here for two hours. But the other

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Speaker 1: two bits that I jotted down, speaking of ten and two,

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Speaker 1: Iowa is definitely going ten and two this year. Sorry,

710
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Speaker 1: it's just buy Sorry if people wanted the whole thing

711
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Speaker 1: to go belly up. The offense still is shaky, but

712
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Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson's freaking great. They are on by this week.

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Speaker 1: They've got Ohio State on the road in week six,

714
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Speaker 1: but otherwise every game is extremely winnable, extremely winnable. Given

715
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Speaker 1: the way that this team is comprised. It's unbelievable to

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Speaker 1: say it again, but they're going ten and two. Just

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Speaker 1: get used to it now. Ten and two Iowa's going

718
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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 2: No Penn State, no Oregon, no Michigan, Wisconsin as a

720
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Speaker 2: backup quarterback. They're on the schedule. Northwestern appears to have

721
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Speaker 2: no offense whatsoever. Michigan State has already turnover an interception

722
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Speaker 2: prone before playing Iowa. I don't think Washington's defense isn't

723
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Speaker 2: a place to hang with Caleb Johnson. Maryland is just

724
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Speaker 2: not at that level yet, and I don't know you

725
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Speaker 2: can push around Nebraska. It seems a little bit upfront.

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Speaker 1: It's ten in too, Iowa. They're going ten and a ten. Yeah, ten,

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Speaker 1: let's get ready for it. You just change it down.

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Speaker 2: If they go ten and two averaging thirty thirty three

729
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Speaker 2: points a game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a revelation, a huge revelation. Yeah. My

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Speaker 1: final point here is something that I noticed in you

732
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Speaker 1: and I kicked around a little bit. Yeah, one of

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Speaker 1: either Army or Navy is getting into the American Title

734
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Speaker 1: game this year. I love the confidence one of them

735
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Speaker 1: is getting in. And there's also a very real chance

736
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Speaker 1: that they play each other hmm twice, which would kind

737
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Speaker 1: of be nuts. Okay, So here here's the way this

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Speaker 1: is set up. Army and Navy are now in the

739
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Speaker 1: same conference. They do play the game at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year, but as part of the terms of

741
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Speaker 1: them joining that is considered a non conference game. So

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Speaker 1: we could come to a situation Dan where both teams

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Speaker 1: are ten and one, each having lost too. I'm hoping

744
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Let's let the go sideways right and Army

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Speaker 1: Navy play not just the American championship game, but an

746
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Speaker 1: exhibition game in effect that happens the week after. And

747
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Speaker 1: to that point, if all hell truly breaks loose in

748
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Speaker 1: the G five, is there a world in which Army

749
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Speaker 1: Navy play once for the conference championship, one of them

750
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Speaker 1: gets into the playoff, and then they have to turn

751
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Speaker 1: around and play immediately the following week in a game

752
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Speaker 1: that does not matter.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't even be the first time we would have

754
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Speaker 2: a week to week American conference rerun in that would

755
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Speaker 2: be the regular season, and then the conference championship, not

756
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Speaker 2: a conference championship, then a traditional non conference game. But

757
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Speaker 2: was it, God, was it Memphis Cincinnati that we had

758
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: a few years ago? In fact, check me on that

759
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: where they got to play the last week of the season.

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Speaker 2: I think the Pac twelve had that once with like

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Speaker 2: Stanford and UCLA. Could be wrong on that.

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Speaker 1: It's just the exhibition game after the season.

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Speaker 2: Then nature of that that like one of those teams

764
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Speaker 2: could get into the college football playoff and immediately lose

765
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Speaker 2: a non conference team and then non conference game and then.

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Speaker 1: Go play in the College wall playoff be wonful. I

767
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Speaker 1: think it's a really really interesting scenario to chart because

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Speaker 1: I do think both are better than they were a

769
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Speaker 1: year ago. Army is just sitting on teams right now,

770
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Speaker 1: and Navy knocked off Memphis scored fifty six points against them.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you took some heat for not naming

772
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Speaker 1: Blake Horvof in your dood alerts. Who people can submit

773
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Speaker 1: their dudes for six touchdowns. Well, you know you're the

774
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Speaker 1: voice of it, so you got to take the heat.

775
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: I know Buck stops with you. But just something for

776
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: our folks out there who care about the G five

777
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Speaker 1: and the service academies to keep in mind that this

778
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Speaker 1: could get very interesting. Because I'm rooting for it. I

779
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: do think it is set up quite well. A little

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Speaker 1: better for Army than Navy, yeah, a little better. It's

781
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Speaker 1: an easier pathway for Army the Navy. But there's a

782
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Speaker 1: real likelihood that this could end up being a thing.

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Speaker 1: So just bear to mind.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about another team quickly? Just in terms

785
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Speaker 2: of how you feel about them. I know you're going

786
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: to say they're plucky, they're feisty, because this is like

787
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Speaker 2: one of your your pet plucky, feisty teams. If what

788
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: we've seen from Boston College, their performance and a losing

789
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: effort against Missoo and their win against Michigan State is

790
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Speaker 2: indicative of who they are, Western Kentucky is winnable, Virginia

791
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Speaker 2: and Virginia Tech may be winnable, Louisville is likely not winnable.

792
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Speaker 2: Syracuse is at home, which is advantageous. At SMU will

793
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: probably be tough, but they're not a complete perfected team.

794
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: North Carolina absolutely winnable, especially since that game is at home.

795
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Speaker 1: Nine to three BC dot com still available.

796
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Speaker 2: And pitt is at home. They could finish anywhere between

797
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Speaker 2: four and eight, five and seven and nine and three

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Speaker 2: year one. Pretty impressive, right.

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Speaker 1: In Soverbalgmail dot com or hit us up on social media.

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Speaker 1: Let us know if there are any straight thoughts that

801
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: you have yes from week four before we turn the

802
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: page fully and start talking about week five. We do

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Speaker 1: have one other thing though, As I mentioned at the top,

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Speaker 1: if you are a premium for baller out of verballers,

805
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Speaker 1: dot Com. One of the things that we're trying to

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Speaker 1: do is part of this gap show, as you called it,

807
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: is incorporate some of what Loverballerhood also wants to talk about.

808
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: We do that with revers, we do that with tweets

809
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: on the recap episodes. We obviously do a little bit

810
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Speaker 1: of that on the preview episodes as well. But this

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Speaker 1: is a good spot for us to call out to

812
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Speaker 1: folks and say, what do we need to talk more about?

813
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Speaker 1: And we got this one here from our long time

814
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Speaker 1: for baller Dan out on Patreon, who says, at the

815
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Speaker 1: quarter pole for teams, Okay, which preseason predictions did you

816
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: miss on in either a good or bad direction? And

817
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Speaker 1: were there signs that you missed during preview season? Dan,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you, I've got a bunch. Did

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Speaker 1: you see the signs there? Did you see the signs? Dan?

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Speaker 2: Of course you see the signs. Not nobody comes into

821
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Speaker 2: the season with every question answered. But there's a certain

822
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: element to this where you just gotta have to like

823
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: have a little bit of faith and think that the

824
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Speaker 2: good are going to outweigh the bad with teams and

825
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Speaker 2: you make your declaration and in my case, saying I think,

826
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Speaker 2: sign this is gonna be Oregon's year, and then struggling

827
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Speaker 2: with I know that was a tough That was a

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Speaker 2: tough moment for me.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the signs though? Did you see the signs?

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, I knew that they'd be starting a walk

831
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Speaker 2: on at center, and I'd be like, I don't think

832
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: a lot of walk on centers have won national championships.

833
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Speaker 2: I just figured he was an older guy and the

834
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: inside of their offensive line would be fine because they

835
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Speaker 2: were so good last year and they were coached well,

836
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Speaker 2: and the tackles were both back. I don't think Oregon

837
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: is out of anything in this moment, because they looked

838
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Speaker 2: better against Oregon State. But that was a quick like, hey,

839
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Speaker 2: let's splash some cold water on Dan's face right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody saw the Riley Leonards signs, not

841
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Speaker 1: like this, he's been bad. No.

842
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Speaker 2: I think the general appraisal of Riley Leonard at Notre

843
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: Dame we're like, well, the ankle surgeries aren't great. But

844
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Speaker 2: he was such a gamer at Duke and gave everything

845
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Speaker 2: he had and they won a bunch of games, and

846
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: they would just sort of figure out how to just

847
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Speaker 2: keep winning with Riley Leonard.

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Speaker 1: This this does not seem like a sore ankle kind

849
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Speaker 1: of thing. This seems like he is not comfortable in

850
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Speaker 1: the offense. This seems like he is indecisive even in

851
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: the early part of that game. I joked with you

852
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: on the recap, maybe he's got the yips. Doesn't speak

853
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: highly of the Manning passing Academy for like the umpteenth

854
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: time that we joke about it on this show.

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Speaker 2: Do not turn to the Mannings. The Manning passing Academy

856
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: is any sort of indication of greatness, of not being

857
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Speaker 2: great of anything other than somebody was good in that

858
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Speaker 2: specific structure.

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Speaker 1: He has really really struggled this season, and the signs

860
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Speaker 1: we saw were about the offensive line in particular. There

861
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Speaker 1: were a lot of questions, and I think those signs

862
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: were justified. They still are even and they served down

863
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: what two starters right now? Two starters? Yeah, I mean

864
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: even to a greater degree now than at the start

865
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: of the year. That's not a surprise to anybody. Yeah.

866
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: The expectation, though, is that this guy's going to come in.

867
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: He was one of the top transfer quarterbacks, one of

868
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: the top transfer targets, not just Notre Dame that wanted

869
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard. Everyone wanted them, so for him to come

870
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: in and look this inept maybe we saw some signs

871
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: of him getting confidence. He hit a few deeper throws, yeah,

872
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: in that game on Saturday. But over the whole, that

873
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: is one sign I did not see coming, and I

874
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: don't know many people that did, because I think most

875
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: people were high on Notre Dame to varying degrees. But

876
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the Riley Leonard thing was at least one position group

877
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: that we assumed as fact would be better, and I

878
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: don't know if it's been better so far.

879
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: I needed to be convinced on South Carolina. I now

880
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: am convinced on South Carolina's status of like dangerous if

881
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: you squint, Lenora Seller's obviously him getting hurt against LSU,

882
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: as you know, a game changer. As for the result

883
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: of that one, probably, I don't know. They still could

884
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: have lost, but it hurt their chances significantly.

885
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

886
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: I'd like the sign of South Carolina being interesting. You

887
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: can play the sound again if you'd really like to.

888
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: You knew that their defensive line would have a lot

889
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: of upside. Yeah, with how they've recruited there that you're like,

890
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: they're gonna get after teams. Is it going to be

891
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: enough to cover for an unproven quarterback and offensive line issues?

892
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: Likely? No.

893
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: I have no idea what their final record is going

894
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: to be, but I don't know. There's a lot more

895
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: danger to South Carolina than I had anticipated.

896
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I saw the signs with Boston College

897
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: when I went in on BC. Yeah, in the preseason,

898
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: he just talked about him a little bit. Yeah. I

899
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: like Bill O'Brien as a coach. I don't like him

900
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: as much as a recruiter. Okay, and these are his players.

901
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: I mean obviously the portal is but yeah, yeah, I

902
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: mean they were smart about the way that they went

903
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: out in the portal and got to Sean Ward and

904
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: tried to bolster that roster a little bit. I saw

905
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: the signs on that one. I felt good about Bill Brian.

906
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: I felt really good about Thomas Castiano's to the point

907
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: where I gave him like an extra six inches and

908
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: like fifty pounds. Yeah, that was great. The sign I

909
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: did not see, though, or at least the thing that

910
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: I overlooked was I just expected, with it being a

911
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, that there was going to be a

912
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: lot more turmoil, especially on the defensive side, like they

913
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: had a lot back think it was eight starters. They

914
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: had back plenty of veteran leadership. But anytime you're switching systems,

915
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm always leary when you switch to an NFL guy.

916
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: Wow, take that back. Bill O'Brien was the Ohio State

917
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator when he was hired. So no, no, no, no.

918
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about their defensive coordinator,

919
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: Tim Lewis. Oh yeah, yah, yeah. I'm always leary about

920
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: switching to like the NFL defensive scheme because it just

921
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: it seems like those are harder to grasp and they've

922
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: been like pretty good, you know all things. I don't

923
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be a shut down defense at any

924
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: point this season. But for a team that entered the

925
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: year with an over under a five to be where

926
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: they're at now and for us to all talk so

927
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: lovingly about what they've done in the early going in

928
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: September the less, that's that's a cool story. So saw

929
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: some of the signs missed on some of the others.

930
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: By the way, I laugh every time I say win

931
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: Martindale wearing like Michigan gear on the sideline. He just

932
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: looks like such an NFL like defensive coordinator does. And

933
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: he's wearing the like white under long sleeve thermal looking

934
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: shirt and then the cutoff Michigan shirt and the ridiculous

935
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: like Oakley wrap around sunglasses, like he looks so out

936
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 2: of place, like he looks like a diet like Rob

937
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: Ryan calling plays the Michigan defense where it's like I

938
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: appreciate that, Like you're just gonna blitz the hell out

939
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: of everybody and go cover zero in big moments like

940
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: it's great to have a vision, it's great to have

941
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: an identity. But I just every time they cut to

942
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: him with those sunglasses like giggles just a little bit.

943
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: It's great the sunglasses in the big oversized chain around

944
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: the mix. So NC State m did not see any

945
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: of these signs, did not see any of these So

946
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: wrong to have the optimism. Yeah, I am looking at

947
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: my sheet right now. I'm going to quote myself. I

948
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: threw this in take a toe. I should have brought

949
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: take a toe out here today. I threw it in

950
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: the volcano quote. I am heavy on the over for

951
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: NC State, which was eight and a half. I could

952
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: see this is the best part here, here's a kicker.

953
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: I could see two losses, but not four. They've got

954
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: two losses in their first four so far. Dan, I

955
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: think the quarterback thing is going to be interesting to follow.

956
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: I kind of like the new guy that to put In.

957
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he I don't think he was horrible.

958
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: In hindsight, I watched a good chunk of that game.

959
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: It seems like there's a lot of potential there. But

960
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: he's young. Yeah, their inability to just get any sort

961
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: of momentum going is not something thing I predicted. Even

962
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: if you are a skeptic of Dave Dorin, did you

963
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: see this coming? Could anybody have seen this coming? Just

964
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: feels like they bottomed out.

965
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say this is what's going to happen,

966
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: but it would be the most NC State thing ever

967
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: now to like run the table. Right, They've played the

968
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: two most difficult teams on their schedule. Everybody else is flawed,

969
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: although Syracuse is perfect. You know what, we all know

970
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: this look at the rest of their schedule. They're not

971
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: going to run the table. But the most NC State

972
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: thing would be at this point to like beat everybody

973
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: but cal or something right that, like, I don't know

974
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: what the most schedule game.

975
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: Left the schedule, let me read the schedule off now

976
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: I'm interested. This weekend they've got Northern Illinois at home

977
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: and CJ. Bailey's gonna improve over the course is going

978
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: to improve Northern Illinois this week, follow by wake Syracuse

979
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: road game again cal before a buye yeah. Then after

980
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: the bye two games Stanford and Duke another buy. Then

981
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: they close out the year on the road two games

982
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: back to back on the road at Georgia Tech at

983
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: North Carolina. So at present, their most likely outcome is

984
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: a six and sixth season per projections, about a twenty

985
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: nine percent chance that they finished six and six, twenty

986
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: five percent chance of seven and five twenty percent chance

987
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: of five and seven. So they're right kind of in

988
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: that in that will they won't they qualify for a

989
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: Bowl territory down from idiots like me saying they're going

990
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: ten to two.

991
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So if we can agree that NC State definitely

992
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: isn't strong, and whether that's on the back of a

993
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: leaky defense, leaky offensive line, quarterback health and issues with

994
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: the Grayson McCall transfer whatever, and he's hurt it's not

995
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: fair to pick on him exclusively. If NC State does

996
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: it have any capital D definitely strong teams left. I

997
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 2: don't know, man like it would be the most endsy.

998
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: Maybe it's eight and four, maybe it's nine to three.

999
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: That's exclusively. What they do is disappoint their fans before weirdly,

1000
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: you know, rattling off.

1001
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: Six of seven. Yeah, okay, it's.

1002
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: Hard to see it, but I think you can swin

1003
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: and be like, I don't know, it's the acc why not.

1004
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I whiffed on Byu. Yep, same, I

1005
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of people with on Byu. I won't

1006
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: go too too much more into detail about BA. We

1007
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: talked a lot about them, but you know, b Yu

1008
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: got bullied last year. That was kind of the takeaway.

1009
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: B Yu got bullied along the lines, they got no

1010
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: push in the running game on defense, and they changed

1011
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: up a scheme. They blitzed more, but the pass rush

1012
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: was really bad. Yeah. So still, despite all that, there

1013
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of optimism about Killanie Sataki. I remember

1014
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: talking about it, like every preview magazine talks about how

1015
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: good of a coach this guy is and when is

1016
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: he going to show it? Blah, blah blah again, idiot,

1017
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: He's shown it, he's final way to do it. It's

1018
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: still a flawed team, but the fact that they are

1019
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: where they are is pretty damn impressive. So good on them.

1020
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: They're over under again. It was four and a half.

1021
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: They're going to hit that next win, We'll hit that

1022
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: over under.

1023
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say I was absolutely wrong about

1024
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: Arizona a sloppy as they looked against like NAU and

1025
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: certainly against Kansas State. They had a bye last week.

1026
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: We've had conversations about teams who take the bye, make

1027
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: this tweak, make that tweak, and things look a little bit,

1028
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, more in line with expectations. But that one game,

1029
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: if we're talking about the singular result against Kansas State

1030
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 2: now having aged poorly with how sloppy Kansas State looked again,

1031
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: and that's one game for Kansas State against BYU, I

1032
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: think it's fair to say Arizona needs to look dramatically

1033
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: better immediately. I think they're at Utah this week, yes, yep.

1034
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: And I don't know who's going to be starting quarterback

1035
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: for Utah this week, but I don't know the Arizona

1036
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: offense against the Utah defense does not look great for

1037
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: Arizona in this moment playing at Utah. So was wrong

1038
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: about my optimism that things would continue in a smooth

1039
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: way after last year.

1040
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: It is early. I feel like I was very wrong

1041
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: in Kentucky. I just feel very wrong on Kentucky. They

1042
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: have been stride for stride with Georgia. They lost thirteen

1043
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: to twelve against Georgia. Yeah, the week prior they lost

1044
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: thirty one to six at home against South Carolina. And

1045
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: the week before that, and the week before that they

1046
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: won thirty one nothing over Southern Myths. This past week

1047
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: and they won forty one to six. It's like a

1048
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: full spectrum of results for Kentucky thus far. The defense

1049
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: has still been pretty good. They've been really good on

1050
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: special teams. The question is offense. The question is offense,

1051
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: And when you look at the stat sheets and when

1052
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: you look at all the advanced metrics that we like

1053
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: to talk about, the thing that jumps off the page

1054
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: at you is the passing game. The passing game has

1055
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: been dreadful so far this year, and so to that end,

1056
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: being a card carrying Vandergrifter is not a great place

1057
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: to be. We could redeem that now, for like a

1058
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: free small fry at McDonald's. That's what that's worth. Hopefully,

1059
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: if we hold and don't sell, they can get better

1060
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the year. But it's not an

1061
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: easy schedule. Not to say anyone schedule in the SEC is.

1062
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: But this week on the road at Ole Miss a

1063
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: couple of weeks from now, week ten on the road

1064
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: at Tennessee. They're also on the road at Texas a

1065
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: week before they come back home to square off of

1066
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: the Governor's Cup against Louisville. There are a bunch of

1067
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: projected losses right now on the schedule, and right now

1068
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: they're sitting at two and two. I did not expect

1069
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: this kind of effort from Kentucky. This is not to

1070
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: say that I was expecting a ten and two season.

1071
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: I thought I had him peg for eight and four.

1072
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I was on eight and four for this team. They're

1073
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: over under was six and a half. I still think

1074
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: they'll get there, but I definitely missed a lot of

1075
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: the Kentucky signs and was blinded I think by my

1076
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: own optimism there.

1077
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: The Hugh Freeze press conference after Auburn, Kentucky is going

1078
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: to be my Super Bowl. The number of players so

1079
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 2: Auburn is it's a week after missoo on the road,

1080
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and so to go on the road

1081
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: to Lexington the week after against what will should be

1082
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: a Kentucky defensive line that will collapse the Auburn offensive

1083
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: line in the pocket and everything.

1084
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: Like, look, Auburn might even win. I don't know.

1085
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: But if Kentucky were to win that game and twenty

1086
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: to seventeen, twenty three, twenty one, I don't know. That

1087
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: is my moment that I think what Kentucky should be

1088
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: able to stifle and suffocate this arkentucks with me Auburn

1089
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: offense to the point where, yeah, they're gonna throw three

1090
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: and a half to seven and a half.

1091
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: Pick or something. I don't know how you throw half

1092
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: an interception, but you're gonna see Hugh Freeze start to

1093
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: blame parents, like how could you raise a left tackle

1094
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: like what we put on the field. That's that's I

1095
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: can't wait. Did you see Bo Wallace went in on that,

1096
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: Doctor of course I saw it, Doctor Bow calling out

1097
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze. Hugh Freeze not taking any accountability for what

1098
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: transpired in that Arkansas game.

1099
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: To be fair, though, I think Bo Wallace in November

1100
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 2: of last year. I saw the people are in his comments,

1101
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: they were posting receipts from last year, like you could

1102
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: not go play for a savvier play caller than Hugh Freeze. Right,

1103
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: it was a little of both, like which is.

1104
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: It, doctor Bow? But yeah, he really went in my

1105
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: final one here is obvious and it's smu. This is

1106
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: this is shaping up to be one of the worst

1107
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: projections I've ever had. That said, they're three and one.

1108
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: What's the record in the ACC. The record in the

1109
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: ACC is approximately zero and zero, right, exactly right. So

1110
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: they're getting into their ACC schedule now now mm hmm

1111
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: against Florida State. At last check, they're about a six

1112
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: five and a half six point favorite somewhere in there. Yeah,

1113
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: they've got games on the road against Louisville at home,

1114
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: against pitt at home, against Boston College at home against Cal.

1115
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: But as you look across the schedule, there aren't a

1116
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: lot of heavy hitters on here. They don't play Clemson. No,

1117
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: they don't have Clemson. They don't play Miami. They don't

1118
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: Miami and don't have Syracuse. So I'm going to hold

1119
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: out hope that I wasn't quite as wrong as it

1120
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: looked in the early part of the season. They did

1121
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: just score sixty six points after making a quarterback change. Yes,

1122
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: maybe this is what it's going to take for them

1123
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 1: to kind of get back get back to their winning ways.

1124
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: They won eleven and three a year ago. But it's

1125
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: not been a good start to the season. I'm gonna

1126
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hopeful, but thus far it is looking

1127
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: like I was very wrong about the Mustangs.

1128
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I don't even go that far. I

1129
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 2: think you should hold your head a little bit higher.

1130
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: The BYU loss is a little more justified in this moment, right.

1131
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: I guess. I don't know. They scored fifteen points. They work,

1132
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: this is going to be a high powered offense.

1133
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: Which quarterback played? Which quarterback started in that Preston Stone. Okay,

1134
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: so they make the change to this guy who drops

1135
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: sixty seventy points on TCU, which, by the way, a

1136
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: lot of teams are doing in these last few years.

1137
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: I think you're being too hard on yourself. I think

1138
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: SMU in the ACC can be I don't think they're

1139
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: winning ten eleven games like you were talking about. But

1140
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: they were decisive in their move to a new quarterback.

1141
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: They dropped a ton of points in a rivalry game.

1142
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean I said they might go twelve and oh,

1143
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: I know that's insane. Obviously that's insane. But you look

1144
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: at the firepower at quarterback, whatever you want to do,

1145
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: like Duke is a work in progress. On offense, the

1146
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: defense has been strong against not really anybody. Stanford just

1147
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: want at Syracuse that could be I don't know, weird

1148
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: and tough. Louisville is better than SMU. Pitt is likely

1149
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: better than SMU, but we'll see by then. And that

1150
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: game is in Dallas. Yes, yep, BC work in progress.

1151
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: Virginia feisty but work in progress. And Cal we'll see.

1152
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I think SMU can there. They're

1153
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: three and one right now, three and one. I don't

1154
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: know if they go nine and three in their first season.

1155
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: The ACC kind of feels like a huge success.

1156
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: That's all I have in terms of signs that I saw,

1157
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: didn't see, predictions that I made, didn't make anything else

1158
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: to you. Before we picked some games here.

1159
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: I strongly defended the possibility that Florida State would again

1160
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: be excellent. So that was a tough beat for me.

1161
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: Yes, there were signs about DJU. Yes, there were obvious signs,

1162
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: given the fact that there was a lot of roster turnover,

1163
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: but to this end, Man, there were no signs that

1164
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: this was going to happen. They have just fallen off

1165
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: a cliff.

1166
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: I thought Michigan's offense and we talked a lot about

1167
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: like we used language like, you know, alex Orgi is

1168
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: the entire season, because we had assumed alex Orgie would

1169
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: be the starter from day one. You're like, well, whatever

1170
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: they look like quarterback that's going to decide things. I

1171
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: did not have the worst of Michigan's offense looking as

1172
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: bad as it did, But I also didn't like when

1173
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: USC went up in that game, have Michigan coming back

1174
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: to win that game. So I don't know what they

1175
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: do from here on out. Like the failure to find

1176
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: and develop a quarterback in any season for Michigan, even

1177
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: like a like serviceable transfer Jake Rudoch style quarterback like

1178
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: that seems like an enormous failure. And it's tough with

1179
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: the portal and they're in the playoff and you know,

1180
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: preparing for the National Championship and figuring out what they

1181
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: need and what Jim Harbaugh's future is and who's going

1182
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: to be taking over? Like the program seemed to be

1183
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: in a lot of not flux, but like on uneven ground,

1184
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: let's call it, you know, with the NCAA inquiring all

1185
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: that stuff in late December early January, but for them

1186
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: to enter the season with zero capable quarterbacks coming off

1187
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: of a national championship. I didn't think it was going

1188
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: to be that.

1189
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: No, all right, thank you for the question. Dan. Again,

1190
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: if you sign up for a premium for baller at

1191
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: forballers dot com, you can help guide this segment on

1192
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: the Tuesday episodes. Let's pick some games, shall we? Okay,

1193
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: early Bird Special. I've realized I've been playing the wrong

1194
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: sound for the last couple of weeks. I wanted to

1195
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: play the early Bird Special game because these are weekday games. Yeah. Instead,

1196
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: I've been playing the old Picks of the Week sound,

1197
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: trying to delineate a little bit here. Okay, I like that,

1198
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: if you're okay with that. Got two Friday games that

1199
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to discuss here, We've got seven thirty Virginia

1200
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: Tech at Miami, Miami favored by seventeen points at home.

1201
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: And then a little bit later, half hour later, we've

1202
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: got on Fox. I want to say it is Washington

1203
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: at Rutgers. Rutgers favor by two and a half points. Dan.

1204
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: There is another game a little bit yeah, I guess

1205
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: lower billing. This is a Thursday night game between Army

1206
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: and Temple. We'll just call it out as something maybe

1207
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. But the two big ones that

1208
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: are later in the week are obviously these two. Do

1209
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: you have any hot takes on either of these games?

1210
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,959
Speaker 1: I think I like Rutgers against Washington here. That line

1211
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: seems Rutgers is not built to like a boat race

1212
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: a team like Washington. They're not going to beat them

1213
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: thirty one to ten or something. But Washington traveling across

1214
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: the country, and we've seen Washington struggle with the run

1215
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: against Washington State, And I mean, what does Rutgers want

1216
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: to do? They want to want to play defense and

1217
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: run the ball. Now, Ruckers own run defense isn't great,

1218
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: and Washington should be able to run the ball some.

1219
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: But I don't think Washington is built right now to Uh,

1220
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: this is so weird to say to go to Piscataway.

1221
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, and I'm going to talk myself

1222
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: into a corner here. Yeah, please but if you take

1223
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: this game in a vacuum, forget the situation or where

1224
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: they're playing it or any of that stuff. Yeah, in

1225
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: a vacuum, I think I'd be on Washington here. Why

1226
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: because I think they can run on Rutgers with Jonah Coleman. Okay,

1227
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,919
Speaker 1: I think Will Rodgers is far and away the best

1228
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: quarterback that Rutgers has seen so far. I agree, I'd

1229
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: be stunned if Will Rogers ends up with something like

1230
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty yards and two picks, right like

1231
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: Rutgers pass defense is Okay, I don't think is that good.

1232
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: I think Will Rogers is gonna eat comfortably well in

1233
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: this game, Okay, all right, in a vacuum, yes, But

1234
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: then there's that other stuff. The situation makes me like

1235
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: Rutgers because it's a short week for Washington. It's a

1236
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: cross country travel potential look ahead spot, don't forget with

1237
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: Michigan come into town next week for Washington. Also, both

1238
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: teams play slowly, and I think that's something that works

1239
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: to Rutgers advantage here. Plus, I trust Greg Chiano's gonna

1240
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: find one or two things that work, and he's gonna

1241
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: do what he did against Virginia Tech. He's always done this.

1242
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: He finds like four plays and then he cheesses him

1243
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: the whole way through. Yes, if you watch that Virginia

1244
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: Tech game and Virginia Tech fans, I'm sure we're throwing

1245
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: things at the TV. Instantly was leaking his tight end

1246
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: across the formation out into the flat and the guy

1247
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: was wide open. He did it like six times in

1248
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: that game, for a six to seven yard game. Every

1249
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: single time he's going to find that thing in this game,

1250
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: and he's going to keep doing it. And because everybody

1251
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: plays slow, and because it's going to end up turning

1252
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: into a rock fight, I think Rutgers wins. I would

1253
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: not want to touch the points bread honestly, if it

1254
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: were if it came down of the point spread gun,

1255
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: in my head, I would probably take Washington plus the points.

1256
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: But I think the situation is such that it's going

1257
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: to put Rutgers in a better position to win. I'm

1258
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: going to take take them out right. Yeah.

1259
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: I'm in on root canal Rutgers here as well. And

1260
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: there is something like what you're saying is absolutely right

1261
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: the cheese factor. Rutgers is fifth in the nation in

1262
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: avoiding three and outs. On offense, Washington is a one

1263
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: hundred and twelve in generating three and outs on defense,

1264
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: The long, painful Rutgers offensive drive, to me is something

1265
01:03:59,240 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: to look out for.

1266
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: And because they both play slowly, you know the other

1267
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: thing that I will call out here and then I

1268
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: want to talk about the other game a little bit place.

1269
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: I do think the Washington State game is a bit

1270
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: of a red herring. That's fair. On the Washington side.

1271
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: I think the Washington defense has been mostly solid. They

1272
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: were crazy penalized in that Wazoo loss sixteen penalties one

1273
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five yards, and they were really bad

1274
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: on third downs, really really bad. So I just I

1275
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: don't want to put too much weight on that. That

1276
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: was a nice win for Wazoo. I'm not ready to

1277
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: fully sell Washington yet, though I am going to go

1278
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: gonna go Rutgers here.

1279
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just really tough looking at who Washington's

1280
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: played thus far to be like, yep, Washington is better

1281
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: than what they've looked like against Northwest. I mean, they

1282
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 2: look good against Northwestern. The defense came to play against Northwestern,

1283
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: it's one of the worst offenses in America. And then

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Speaker 2: when they faced an offense with some heart and some

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Speaker 2: life and some talent in Wazoo, they got run all over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, what do you think of this Virginia

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Speaker 1: Tech Miami game. Miami favored by seventeen at home on

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Speaker 1: Friday night.

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Speaker 2: Man, that's a big number. That is a big number.

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Speaker 2: But I still think I like Miami.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if this game we're in Blacksburg on Friday night,

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Speaker 1: I might be inclined to go Tech with the points. Yeah,

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01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: but the spread kind of tells you everything you need

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Speaker 1: to know that this is a mismatch. Right now, they're

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: projected Miami is as a two touchdown favorite against everyone

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01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: other than Louisville, who they play in Week eight, So

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Speaker 1: the numbers have very quickly coalesced around Miami. This game,

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Speaker 1: to me feels a little bit like that Clemson NC

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Speaker 1: State game a week ago, where we looked at it

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: and we said it's a mismatch. It's a high point spread,

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Speaker 1: but we don't really have a reason to take NC State,

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01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: And I feel similarly Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech, by the way,

1303
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: is another team that we could have called out in

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01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: that previous segment because there was a lot there was

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: a lot of hype around the Hokies, and I'm starting

1306
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: to worry that that preseason hype was more a function

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01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: to the schedule than the team, because this team's been

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01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: wildly inefficient on offense. They're getting roasted on the ground

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01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: on defense. I checked the projections. There's a seventy five

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Speaker 1: percent chance that Tech's going to finish with five, six

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01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: or seven wins, which is a far cry from what

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Speaker 1: some of the preseason expectations had him at. Sure, So

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01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: I I think Miami's going to roll too. I think

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Speaker 1: Tech's told us a couple times now who they are.

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Speaker 1: We should probably just believe them. I've got forty five

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Speaker 1: seventeen written all over it.

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Speaker 2: To me, I think the big mismatch here is going

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: to be Virginia Tech's offensive line trying to keep up

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Speaker 2: with Miami upfront. And we've seen it a thousand times. Right,

1320
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: If your offensive line from the jump is going to struggle,

1321
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: a game can get out of hand real quick. And

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: so I think I'm with you. I think Miami should

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01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 2: be able to run. I think that's going to be

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01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: the interesting thing for Miami. As they've been spreading the

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01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 2: ball around. Little should be at running backs. They should

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Speaker 2: be able to and it should just in the way

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Speaker 2: that like it was weirdly close for a second against

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01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: USF and it just got completely out of control. I

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Speaker 2: think it's Miami has the capability to do that short

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Speaker 2: week against Virginia Tech for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so right, the schedule for the week ahead here

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Speaker 1: in solid Verbalville. We've got our preview episodes dropped on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We've obviously got Big ten Breakfast Friday Am, Yes, which

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Speaker 1: has been doing well people seem to really like. So

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Speaker 1: that's out on YouTube YouTube only unless you are a

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Speaker 1: Patreon subscriber, where we post the audio. Yes, we've got

1337
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Speaker 1: a recap for week five live at midnight on Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: All are welcome, come on out to the YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: and watch. We would encourage everybody to keep sharing all

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Speaker 1: of the tweets and social postings that we make linking

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: up to this episode. We are giving out a coupon

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Speaker 1: to Brad burst is the name Brad burst out on

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Speaker 1: Twitter or x whatever we're supposed to call it these days.

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Speaker 1: We told people get creative with it. The most creative

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Speaker 1: one is going to win a free bit of merch

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Speaker 1: from our store. Brad took it upon himself to tag

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports and said, please stop burying these guys at

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Speaker 1: three am on FS two. Exactly right, they and your

1349
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: audience deserve slightly better. The slightly is what got me.

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01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: I agree, that was I appreciate that little er, Brad.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm going to be reaching out to you.

1352
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: We're going to send you a coupon for free merch. Hey,

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01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: it's going to apply this week as well. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do it again this week, but not until the Thursday episode,

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01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: so details to follow. We will give you your marching

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Speaker 1: orders after that happens. There are some big games in

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Speaker 1: week five. What do we have. We've got George at

1358
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Speaker 1: Alabama seventh thirty on ABC. That's the show piece. We

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Speaker 1: have ranked matchups between Villa Notre Dame, between Oklahoma State

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: and Kansas State, and between Illinois and Penn State. None

1361
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: of those games rise to the level of George Alabama. Okay,

1362
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: none of them, but they're all interesting in their own right.

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Speaker 1: We've also got some other notables. We've got Kentucky at

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: Ole Miss. It's a big point spread, but maybe Kentucky

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01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: can find a way to keep it close in the

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Speaker 1: manner that they did with Georgia. We've got Arkansas, Texas,

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Speaker 1: A and M which I think will be fun, always

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01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: as fun. Oklahoma Auburn that I don't know if that's

1369
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: going to be fun, but it's going to be notable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do have some big G five matchups. Liberty versus

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: app State doesn't have as quite doesn't have quite as

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Speaker 1: much steam on it as it did at the preseason,

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Speaker 1: and now that app stage dropped two games, it's probably

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: not as meaningful for them as a playoff type of thing.

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Speaker 1: But that game's at boone. We'll see Fresno at UNLV.

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: That's good, really good game I'm excited about. And at

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Speaker 1: night we've got Ohio State, Michigan State, We've got Iowa State, Houston.

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Speaker 1: South Alabama was interesting, Yeah, baby South Alabama. The Jags

1379
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Speaker 1: law Common they score yep. And then Wazu at Boise

1380
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: is a big one. One of the other questions that

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: we had was whether or not Wazuo can made playoff.

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01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: I didn't want to address that here because they lose

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01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: this week and then that kind of solved that problem.

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Speaker 1: But right if they beat Boise, there's really only one

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Speaker 1: other game in that schedule that projects is a loss.

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Speaker 1: Who do they have Fresno Fresno. Yeah, yeah, so Wazu

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01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: at Boise. That one's at ten pm.

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Speaker 2: Oregon plays at eleven, the last game of the day

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Speaker 2: for you, Dan, Oregon playing after SNL. They're gonna kick

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01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 2: off at one forty five am Eastern Yeah, what happens

1391
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Speaker 2: if there's any kind of delay in La? It's in La, right,

1392
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: the UCLA game.

1393
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: Oregon favored by twenty four and a half.

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Speaker 2: If there's any sort of reason to delay this game, right,

1395
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 2: there's a light malfunction, there's lightning in the.

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Speaker 1: Area or whatever. You're gonna kick a game off at

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Speaker 1: midnight Eastern time? If that game kicks off at midnight?

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Speaker 1: Would want no?

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Speaker 2: I might not even watch it at this time. I

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Speaker 2: don't think anybody should watch this game that's on the

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Speaker 2: East Coast.

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01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: Well, what do you say to people and I saw

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01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: that you got some of this, Yeah, what do you

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01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: say to people who say, well, why don't West Coast

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: teams deserve night games too? Everybody else plays, and why

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: can't play a night game? Eight pm kickoff? Stupid? Especially

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01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: with big teams. This is stupid. This is all for

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01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: advertising windows. It's dumb. You shouldn't watch this game. On

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01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: the East coast. Why can't Why can't Oregon and UCLA

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: play an eight pm game? You play them anywhere else?

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: Why aren't they allowed to play them?

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: Because they're on the West coast. There are different time zones.

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Speaker 2: TI write this down. There's an Eastern time zone almost

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01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: several times.

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Speaker 1: And why do they need to care about what I

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Speaker 1: think on the East coast? Why can't they just play

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Speaker 1: and sort of have their own environment out there at night?

1418
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: Because it's the Big Ten.

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: They want to be a national conference, they want everybody

1420
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: in the nation watching their games, and then they're burying this.

1421
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: It's stupid. It's stupid. I care about people on the

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Speaker 1: East coast. They're probably doing UCLA a favor because up

1423
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: and great. No. Also, the Rosebult just looks better in

1424
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: the afternoon, like I don't know, be a little bit

1425
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: biased to make your product look good. By the way,

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Speaker 1: is Notre Dame? Speaking of which, Notre Dame is a

1427
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Speaker 1: Peacock game this week? Don't get just don't hold on,

1428
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: hold hold on. Is Mama h All set with Peacock?

1429
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: She's set? Okay, Yeah, she found a good deal. We

1430
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: found a good deal last year. She got it for

1431
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: like twenty two dollars for the full year. Notre Dame

1432
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: has not had a Peacock game yet this year.

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Speaker 2: Right, don't make me talk about this, Dan, I had

1434
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 2: never I'm gonna talk about it from my perspective, the

1435
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: Peacock game experience of Okay, let's sometimes have the yellow

1436
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 2: first down line. You're gonna you're gonna take me down

1437
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 2: into a vortex here. That's gonna make it impossible for

1438
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Speaker 2: us to ever work with NBC.

1439
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: Okay, but I'll do it. I will do it. If

1440
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: you want to have that conversation about NBC and game.

1441
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm here to help. I'm not here

1442
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: to put down. I'm here to help improve. Okay, Okay,

1443
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: whoever is in charge of getting the graphics up in

1444
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: time for the snap the yellow first down marker and

1445
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: then the down and distance arguably the most important element

1446
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 2: of Like, all right, what's going on with this next play?

1447
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: Third and six? All right, they got to get six yards?

1448
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: Where's six yards? Let's look at the yellow line. It's

1449
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 2: not been a great opening month for that graphics team.

1450
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: Tiny tiny graphic that tells you, oh, that looks like

1451
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: it's started seven way down there at eight point foot

1452
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: Give me. Maybe I'm an old man TI, maybe this

1453
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: is just what I need in my advanced age and

1454
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 2: my fading eyes. Give me a big fat third and seven.

1455
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: Give me a big fat yellow line. Peacock is not

1456
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 2: passing that test. And what I've seen thus far, I can't.

1457
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: Believe that they're putting this game on Peacock. I mean,

1458
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: I can't believe it, of course, But what do you

1459
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: think college football is? This is now arguably the biggest

1460
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: game for Notre Dame this season. I mean, I don't

1461
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: know where you see us He's going to be at

1462
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: by the end of the year, but they just lost.

1463
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: This is sort of like their biggest game and if

1464
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: they want to get back in the hunt, if they

1465
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 1: want to be anywhere near the playoff. Even in that conversation,

1466
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: you got win this game. They're putting on Peacock SEO

1467
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: man standard issue there. They're They're doing the full heist

1468
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: thing here now, and I hate it.

1469
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: College football is here to sell ads for horrendous looking

1470
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 2: upcoming TV shows. That's what college football serves as. Now,

1471
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: Like do you want to watch She's a mom and

1472
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 2: she's also smart?

1473
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: Could you believe that?

1474
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,919
Speaker 2: Could you believe that starting on ABC, A smart mom,

1475
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: what don't forget about doctor Odyssey, the cruise ship odyssey.

1476
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: That's what college football exists as for these networks. Let's

1477
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: let's have the guy from Dawson's Creek and Mighty Ducks

1478
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 2: all due respect, he's a doctor on a cruise ship

1479
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: and we're gonna play like a slow Beach Boys song

1480
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: in the promo.

1481
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: That's what college football exists as.

1482
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 2: That's why Notre Dame Louisville is on because you get

1483
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: to watch promos of like Love Island or something. So

1484
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 2: people subscribe and keep subscribing to Peacock.

1485
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: Just don't even I just I can't. I can't have

1486
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: the I can't have the Notre Dame broadcast conversation on

1487
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: this episode.

1488
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 2: It's still but it's still it's Peacock. But it's still

1489
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 2: going to be Jason Garrett and Stan Hicks.

1490
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: Oh good, and we're all very grateful for that. I

1491
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: hope they struggle figuring out where the first down marker

1492
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: is during the game too. I just I can't. I

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Speaker 1: can't have this conversation.

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Speaker 2: It's like the slow delay. You know the teams that

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Speaker 2: do like the slow delay, like running off the sub

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Speaker 2: like the substitute defensive lineman to screw up the offenses timing. Sure,

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Speaker 2: it's Peacock with the slow We're not going.

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Speaker 1: To tell you down to distance. I'm not gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you that it's here, it comes right before the snap.

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Speaker 1: It's great. Still, wait, this cycle that NBC unfortunately has

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Speaker 1: shown over the last decade of taking one of its

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Speaker 1: most watch football properties and treating it like it's the

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Speaker 1: minor leagues for Sunday night football has grinded my gears

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Speaker 1: more than anything, more than anything, and that is exactly

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Speaker 1: what they have done. They have tried to make it

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Speaker 1: look otherwise. That is exactly what they have done. All

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Speaker 1: they care about is the NFL, maybe to a lesser

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Speaker 1: degree now that they got some big ten games that

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Speaker 1: they're doing on Friday nights or whatever. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: i am fit to be tied over how they have

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Speaker 1: treated this coverage in particular over the last decade. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not great, It's far from it, and it drives

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Speaker 1: me crazy, But I'm gonna stop it. There.

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Speaker 2: This Riley Leonard incompletion brought to you by the full

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Speaker 2: archive of Yellowstone available on Peacock. Now, all right, Dan

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Speaker 2: that does it.

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Speaker 1: We've got a going out on a bit of a

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Speaker 1: curmudgeon note there. That's great. What can't help it? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just I'm in my late thirties early forties. Ty,

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Speaker 1: Next time you're going to bring this topic up, you

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Speaker 1: gotta warn me before now. Okay, it's a tie trigger warning.

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Speaker 1: The heart's going anyway. Make sure you hit fall, make

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Speaker 1: sure you hit subscribe. We're gonna be doing the week

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Speaker 1: the store. You can get that too, But you gotta

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Speaker 1: share the link. You gotta be creative. I don't care

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Speaker 1: what platform it is, doesn't matter if it's Facebook or

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Speaker 1: Instagram or what else. Do we got the peacock slack

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Speaker 1: to support the show. Okay, yes, sir. I have droned

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Speaker 1: on for far too long for that guy over there,

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Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubenstein, for myself, Tie Hilton Brand.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you all on Thursday. Enjoy your week,

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Speaker 1: Stay solid, peace,