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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray, that defender is in multiple pieces. All

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Speaker 2: that was nasty right there right slam on the ground

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Speaker 2: by fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into

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Speaker 2: the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: All right. I know you guys don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Never stop me before. Maybe you guys don't want to

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Speaker 2: see it, but hear ago at this time, Remember we

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Speaker 2: had the open sign right the.

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Speaker 3: Props you have over there on your side of the table.

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Speaker 2: So I found this in the back of my car

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Speaker 2: approximately three minutes ago. I made a mad dash into

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Speaker 2: the parking lot. I usually don't throw anything away until

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Speaker 2: I have to, and back of my car can be

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Speaker 2: a bit of a foul cabinet. In this case, it

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Speaker 2: worked to my advantage the open sign. Should I keep

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Speaker 2: it up here? Do you think Moni's open for business?

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Speaker 2: Or was this like so last year when you were fourth? Overall?

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Speaker 3: You don't have room on your side of the table

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Speaker 3: to put that anywhere.

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Speaker 4: That is true.

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Speaker 2: File this away for a moment, save that thought. Darren

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Speaker 2: looks like he's deep in thought.

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Speaker 4: No, I was just thinking to myself that when you've

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Speaker 4: got probably twenty teams that want to be open for

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Speaker 4: business to trading backwards, it's probably going to be tougher

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Speaker 4: to trade backwards.

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Speaker 2: That shirt is resplendent. Can I just say thank you?

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Speaker 2: That says? You know? I had a bunch of high

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Speaker 2: school senior dudes at our house recently going to senior

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Speaker 2: prom and a lot of them wearing a shirt quite

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Speaker 2: like that. You're rocking that pretty well for me. Rude,

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Speaker 2: someone who's out of the eighteen to thirty four down

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Speaker 2: you know what that pulling that off?

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Speaker 4: This morning, Danny Uh we were talking. Paul was having

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Speaker 4: a conversation with Adrian Wilson and I talked about how

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Speaker 4: he's in his off season program right now.

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Speaker 2: And with Adrian Wilson, oh boy, yeah, I never quite

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Speaker 2: look like Polly pencil neck as when I'm standing next

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Speaker 2: to Adrian Wilson. And I'm gonna have to do that

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Speaker 2: for four hours.

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Speaker 4: Hey, at least he didn't talk talk about you like

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Speaker 4: he talked about life, Fitzgerald. But that's a story for

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Speaker 4: another day.

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Speaker 2: It can always get worse.

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Speaker 4: That's a story the other day.

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Speaker 2: So you're right, Danny, the props are a plenty right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we got to fill time between now and

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Speaker 2: draft night. So just let you know if you have

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Speaker 2: a break, a really big idea, or maybe if you

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Speaker 2: know you add true value, the light will come on

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Speaker 2: just like that.

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Speaker 3: And you're the keeper of the light.

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Speaker 4: Actually that is still getting clipped.

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Speaker 2: I mean, uh, this this will be activated upon anyone's nomination.

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Speaker 2: The light of go on. I'll just have my finger

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Speaker 2: on the or Darren can reach over. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: got the good wingspan over there.

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Speaker 4: I know, if we got to have your finger on

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Speaker 2: And so anyway, we have this over here, and once

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Speaker 2: again from the back of the vehicle, pomp pom, not

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Speaker 4: But beginning to wonder what your car really truly looks like.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised as such a big car guy that you

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Speaker 3: that's a true point.

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Speaker 2: That's true thoughts. Well, there's daily drivers and then there's

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Speaker 2: You know, there are two very distinct groups over there

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Speaker 2: now as for you know, and I kind of decorate

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Speaker 2: recently at Costa GALVICI and I got absolutely zero decorating

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Speaker 2: input whatsoever. You've never seen some somebody take so many

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Speaker 2: if you say anything worthwhile, like, for example, i'd say

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Speaker 2: the number is seven. There have been seven position groups

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Speaker 2: mocked to the Arizona card so far. Guard, tackle, D line, edge, corner, receiver,

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Speaker 2: and now a late charger middle linebacker and it's inside linebacker.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna say, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying middle linebacker. If you're going sixteen overall, you

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Speaker 2: this on Red Sea Report. He said, Paul, too soon,

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Speaker 2: too soon, referring to some of the other picks right

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Speaker 2: that didn't belong to this regime. But if you're looking

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Speaker 2: at this step chart right now, need or want middle

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Speaker 3: I don't know that i'd make that same argument for

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Speaker 2: At sixteen, Johad Campbell has been invited to the green room.

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Speaker 2: Johd Campbell has visited the Arizona Cardinals, according to reports.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of that, Darren.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's funny that you bring up visits there, Paul, okay,

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Speaker 4: because this was a topic I wanted to get on.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get too far away from middline

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Speaker 4: backer and Jihad Campbell in the least. And somebody on

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Speaker 4: my mail bag this week, the great Tim Dacoby, who

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Speaker 4: is a relative of Kent Tocoby, the one time Pirates

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Speaker 4: submar Tim is a huge Cardinals fan, but in a

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Speaker 4: long time. But he wanted to draft Campbell. But back

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Speaker 4: to the original thing about the visits again, let's number one,

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Speaker 4: they're thirty visits. They're called quote unquote thirty visits. They're

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Speaker 4: not top thirty visits because that implies that it's the

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Speaker 4: top thirty guys you're trying to look at, which it

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Speaker 4: never has been. Tim Hightower was a thirty visit. Levi

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Speaker 4: Brown didn't even get a visit and he was the

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Speaker 4: fifth or overall pick, So that's number one.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, there really is no correlation between.

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Speaker 4: Visits and MANIASINFO talked about it last week, talked about

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Speaker 4: it being guys that they want to spend more time

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Speaker 4: with for whatever reason, didn't get to enough time in

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Speaker 4: the combine with him, haven't talked to them much at all.

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Speaker 4: Might have a medical recheck, Like to me, if you're

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Speaker 4: that's probably why you want to bring him in here.

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Speaker 4: You want your doctor to take a closer look at him.

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Speaker 4: Going back to Campbell himself, the great Tim Tacolby thought

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Speaker 4: he could be the next Daryl Washington, in which case

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Speaker 4: I said, are we still talking about Darrel Washington? This

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Speaker 4: has been a decade.

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Speaker 2: But anyways, it is amazing Daryl Washington and Darren's mailbag.

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Speaker 2: There is a core that's aslutely true. Look, if Campbell

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Speaker 2: turns out to be another Patrick Willis. I'm all in, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's a good one, because I was thinking, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're getting Luke Keekley or Fred Warner or Bobby Wagner, Patrick.

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Speaker 4: Willis, all those guys, Like, if you're getting that guy,

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Speaker 4: then sixteen by all means, but you better be sure

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Speaker 4: that he's that guy. And I don't know. The thing

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Speaker 4: the analysts talking about this group and how there's only

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Speaker 4: you know, I was rereading a quote that Jeremiah gave

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Speaker 4: you while we were in Indie and how like there's

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Speaker 4: only like a handful of guys that you see as

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Speaker 4: Pro Bowl players in this draft, not many. I don't

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Speaker 4: even think you're getting outside of ten. So is does

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Speaker 4: Campbell fall in that range or is he in that

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Speaker 4: secondary range where everybody's saying you could get the same

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Speaker 4: or twelve, as you could at thirty five or thirty six.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I would hesitate about a linebacker. But again,

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Speaker 4: we don't know what these guys have drafted if you

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Speaker 4: see Jehad Campbell as the second coming and you see

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Speaker 4: I don't know, throwing a name out there. If you

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Speaker 4: see Mike Green the edge rusher who obviously they can

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Speaker 4: use an edge rusher, but you see Mike Green as

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Speaker 4: more of a Marcus Golden type, and I don't mean

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Speaker 4: in style of play, I just mean in terms of

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Speaker 4: what his production might end up being, then yeah, you

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Speaker 4: better think about taking Campbell.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, what if Jihad Campbell is there

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Speaker 2: on day two? What if Jihad Campbell because of the

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Speaker 2: position he plays and or because of any sort of

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Speaker 2: lingering concern about the offseason shoulder surgeries plural, then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden he slides out around one and guess what.

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Speaker 2: Mania support has been known to make a move to

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Speaker 2: start day two. Maybe you go up and get that guy.

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Speaker 3: Look up players awesome for it's done that with for

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Speaker 3: players who have battled injuries in college, and it has

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Speaker 3: turned out well for Arizona cornerback Errett Williams wide receiver

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Speaker 3: Michael Wilson, so that wouldn't be out of character. Linebacker

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Speaker 3: is an interesting topic, similar to how we've talked about

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Speaker 3: cornerback and if that is in need in a spot

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Speaker 3: that could be taken at sixteen, and it feels like

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Speaker 3: we're having these discussions with really one player of mind

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Speaker 3: when talking about that, compared to defensive line, pass rusher,

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Speaker 3: seem like they would make a lot of sense at sixteen.

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Speaker 3: John Campbell, cornerback Will Johnson. Sure, those could be great

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Speaker 3: pits at sixteen. It's not the same as saying taking

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Speaker 3: a quarterback or taking a linebacker at sixteen team is

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Speaker 3: in need. Now we're getting more specific with the players

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Speaker 3: when you're talking about fits for this team, when you're

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Speaker 3: looking at what analysts are mocking for this team. That's

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Speaker 3: why I was saying, yes, a linebacker is a need.

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Speaker 3: I can't make that argument at sixteen. You could argue

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Speaker 3: for Campbell. Sure, you can't sit here and argue for

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Speaker 3: linebacker at sixteen. Is it a need?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Now have the Cardinals address some of that in free agency. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's a different argument. It feels like apples to oranges

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Speaker 3: when we're comparing you know, d line, edge and offensive line,

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Speaker 3: and now we're bringing in cornerback and linebacker.

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Speaker 4: I love that point. Danny sol props to you because

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Speaker 4: i'm writing pre writing my advance.

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Speaker 2: Props or do you say light light, there'll be light.

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Speaker 4: I will say that working on my advance for Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: In terms of the draft, and I'm trying to take

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Speaker 4: a big picture of positions they could look at at sixteen,

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Speaker 4: and that's when i'm writing it, I'm realizing there's going

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Speaker 4: to be a little bit of a hole there, because again,

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Speaker 4: to say you're taking an a or a guard with

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Speaker 4: that first pick is different than if you're saying you're

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Speaker 4: taking James Pierce or Tyler Booker. Like again, especially for

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Speaker 4: the first round, like Danny said, the player specifically matters.

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Speaker 4: It's different in my opinion from second round on maybe

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Speaker 4: early second it's still the player, but then it becomes

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Speaker 4: about position. That first round is about getting the right

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Speaker 4: guy who's talented enough, I don't want to say, regardless

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Speaker 4: of position. But then it muddies the waters there.

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Speaker 3: That's the argument of best player available versus position of needs.

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Speaker 3: So even though linebacker or quarterback isn't as much of

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Speaker 3: Then that doesn't make it a bad pick. It's just

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Speaker 2: Once upon a time, Darren was a hockey beat writer

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Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, Darren, Did you get assist? I

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Speaker 2: No, that sound thinking, I get it. You know who

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Speaker 4: I think I'm glad you found the context of this.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I throw that out there. What do you think, Danny, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we're talking. If the Cardinals say, at sixteen, right,

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Speaker 2: The power pole of needs. Like for me, I'd probably

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Speaker 2: go with guard one's guard tackle, d line edge, corner, receiver, middle, linebacker.

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Speaker 2: Give me your top three in terms of three most coveted.

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Speaker 2: Where do you think, because every team has needs, where

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Speaker 3: Top three? Guard? Tackle, edge, interesting, offensive tackle, Yes, offensive tackle,

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Speaker 2: Third, I will go guard edge, and then I will

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Speaker 4: And that's also very fair. There are so many arguments

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Speaker 4: So it's all the same concept, which is why you

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Speaker 4: I loved that. Garrett Williams was one of the players

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Speaker 4: as we record this, and I asked them, I said,

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Speaker 2: And paraphrasing and Patrick Peterson being back in the house,

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Speaker 2: you of what an elite cover corner can do for

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Speaker 2: So is it the greatest need on this team cornerback? No,

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Speaker 2: but again, Will Johnson was hampered by injuries. Finally, you're

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Speaker 2: If you can add a Will Johnson, he's that sort

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Speaker 3: If he's that elite, You're not going to find pushback

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Speaker 2: Curious where corner might rank. To Darren's point, they've definitely,

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Speaker 3: But when you look at the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: All right, So the latest report out this is as

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Speaker 2: So if cam Ward's going one, maybe teams are going

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Speaker 3: Is there a chance New York and Cleveland have not

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Speaker 3: here's my number.

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Speaker 4: Yes, please.

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Speaker 3: We talk about the agents, you know, putting stuff out

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Speaker 2: That's right. Maybe they're reminding everyone our neon open sign

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Speaker 4: Why won't anybody call.

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Speaker 2: Me speaking of being lit? As a kid, say, how

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Speaker 2: Stuff flying everywhere and you're gonna get.

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Speaker 3: Wet normally, I am team Paul Calvci, I don't know

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Speaker 2: We are in a splash zone right now.

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Speaker 3: We just lost every listener. Are my only options balderdash

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Speaker 4: Correct antithesis? Paul? Do you know that word?

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Speaker 2: Is it older than balderdash?

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Speaker 3: I think we're all in agreement. Just sounds like we're not.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of our stick maybe and you can

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Speaker 3: I want no part of this conversation.

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Speaker 4: That was the dumbest thing anybody ever thought.

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Speaker 3: You will get domination. I will give you everything I had.

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Speaker 2: What was the movie of Mean Girls where they tried

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Speaker 2: There are gms and then there are mixologists. How about

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to space.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going into space.

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Speaker 4: Every space movie something goes wrong. There's either some huge

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Speaker 2: What if I opened that blind in the moon was

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Speaker 3: Paul?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, he's an aliens guy. Why wouldn't he? That's true

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Speaker 4: to a stranger's baby. What was I thinking?

437
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Speaker 2: Jeez? Oh god, Okay, well that was a walk off.

438
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Speaker 2: Mike dropped moment right there. Darren was batting cleanup in

439
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Speaker 2: that edition about a contextar Jim Momundro does get the

440
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,959
Speaker 2: light he lit the lamp here. So it's a two

441
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Speaker 2: goal game so far, although Paully protests when I say

442
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Speaker 2: edited out and then it purposely gets edited in. Really,

443
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm making a very apt analogy between mixologists

444
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Speaker 2: and bartender and then all of a sudden, that's what

445
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Speaker 2: it was. We cut the UFOs.

446
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Speaker 3: Really, So, were you a mixologist or a bartender when

447
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Speaker 3: you had a party that Darren and I were not

448
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Speaker 3: invited to this weekend?

449
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Speaker 2: Definitely a bartender, definitely. Yeah. A buddy of mine actually

450
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 2: worked his way through college as a bartender, so I

451
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Speaker 2: appointed him. I'm great at outsourcing him, like the Bruce

452
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Speaker 2: Arians of parties. I just outsourced it.

453
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Speaker 3: I am. I am not a good bartender. I have

454
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Speaker 3: a heavy hand.

455
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Speaker 2: Jeez, he did not want you dream all right, you

456
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Speaker 2: and Dave pash That stories for another time. So here

457
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Speaker 2: we go. We mentioned that Cleveland and New York are open.

458
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Speaker 2: By the way, that report was according to sources from

459
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Speaker 2: ESPN's Peter Schreger ESPN's Yes, Peter Schreger has made the jump.

460
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Speaker 4: Quickly made the move.

461
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Speaker 2: Yes he did. All the money is I guess that's

462
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Speaker 2: where So here's the other thing. I'm wondering, how many

463
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks in this year's first round. Remember last year this

464
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: was easy money. The NFL prop bet was four and

465
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Speaker 2: a half. There were six quarterbacks that went by pick

466
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Speaker 2: twelve this year? Do you think there might be four? Because,

467
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: as I've been explaining to Craig Riolu, there's something a

468
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: little suspicious, a little fishy fish about Jalen Milroe get

469
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: invited into the green room in Green Bay. Really, so

470
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Speaker 2: if you're looking at cam Ward number one, a lot

471
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Speaker 2: of mock drafts now have Shadur Sanders going to New

472
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: Orleans number nine, very feasible. Jackson Dart has worked his

473
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Speaker 2: way into the first round. I don't think there's any

474
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: doubt at this point. And then all of a sudden

475
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Speaker 2: wears Jalen Milroe and which team is going to trade

476
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Speaker 2: in Lamar Jackson style into the back of round one

477
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Speaker 2: and grab that fourth quarterback. Not that your desperation for

478
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: a quarterback makes the pick legitimate or warranted. Think of

479
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks who have been spoken into the first round

480
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: just based out of sheer need over the last decade

481
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: plus from January to April. Think of Anthony Richardson and

482
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson and Trey Lance, I mean, think of Daniel

483
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: Jones and Mitchell Trubisky who went number two right and

484
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: then go all the way back to like Blake Boorn,

485
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: Blank Gabbert Jacksonville within like three years of each other.

486
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: So there are quarterback desperate teams, and history says that

487
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: some of these qbs are going to be overdrafted, and

488
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: hopefully that'll happen before sixteen and it'll benefit the Cardinals.

489
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Speaker 4: I'm fascinated to see where all this lands. The Shiho

490
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 4: or Sanders stuff continues to be way crazy. Nobody really

491
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: knows Jackson Dart what's going to happen with him? You know?

492
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Speaker 4: Does do the Steelers want a quarterback in the first round?

493
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Speaker 4: Do the Saints? Is everybody going to wait till the

494
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Speaker 4: second round? I mean, I I'm with you, Like normally

495
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 4: people are going to move up, Like if you're if

496
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Speaker 4: you're the Lions or Eagles or Chiefs right now, like,

497
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Speaker 4: are you getting excited that you might be able to

498
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Speaker 4: trade out of the back end of the first round

499
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Speaker 4: and pick up some stuff or the quarterback that you're

500
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Speaker 4: not gonna want.

501
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Speaker 3: More than just those teams? I mean, you're looking at

502
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: the list, there's probably ten teams bottom of the draft

503
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Speaker 3: that don't need a quarterback that teams could make a

504
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: move with.

505
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Speaker 4: It is true, although when I say when I'm thinking

506
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Speaker 4: of the very bottom, you know you're you're usually if

507
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 4: you if you do not think a guy as a

508
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 4: first round talent and you're just trying to head your

509
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 4: bets and get that fifth round thing, you'd rather be

510
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 4: it thirty or thirty one or thirty two. You're not.

511
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Speaker 4: I don't think you're trading out of the second round

512
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Speaker 4: up to like twenty two.

513
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Speaker 3: That's fair too. Even starting twenty seven Baltimore, then it's Detroit, Washington, Buffalo,

514
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: Kansas City, Philadelphia.

515
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Speaker 2: Where do the Rams select again?

516
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Speaker 3: Twenty six?

517
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Speaker 2: That's my sleeper quarterback team. Yes, for which are the Rams?

518
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? But like what which one do you like?

519
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart So you know, maybe even if Schador falls

520
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Speaker 2: all the way she might, I just I can see

521
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 2: the Rams going quarterback.

522
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Speaker 3: Could see that just because it's unexpected.

523
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it is expected. They were talking about

524
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Speaker 4: getting rid of Matthew Stafford.

525
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Speaker 3: That's true.

526
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Speaker 4: So speaking of the obviously thinking of the future.

527
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Speaker 2: If you would like to win a Kyler Murray autograph

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Speaker 3: I vote. Our next autographed item is something signed by

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Speaker 3: Darren Urban That would.

537
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Speaker 4: Be I'm guessing absolutely will be.

538
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Speaker 3: I don't get a light for that idea.

539
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Speaker 4: You know what?

540
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Speaker 2: It was already on Yeah, I actually they reviewed it.

541
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Speaker 2: It didn't quite cross the goal on Danny, so it

542
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Speaker 2: was tough tough Yeah.

543
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Speaker 4: Oh wait, is that almost coming in and denying my

544
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Speaker 4: win again win.

545
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Speaker 2: Darren. Darren recoils. He recoils at the three words. Upon

546
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: further review, he doesn't he doesn't like all right, So,

547
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Speaker 2: if you're Kyler Murray, who in the past has offered

548
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: some draft advice and scotten reports to the front office,

549
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: going there and stump for one player. Yes, we're gonna

550
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: name names. The time has come. If there's one player,

551
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: you're like, you know what all the research, all the

552
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: mock drafts you've done, Darren, what do you call the

553
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: mock draft simulator? What does that thing called that you

554
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: do all the time, the similar simulator? What's the one name?

555
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: What's the one name?

556
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Speaker 4: Football focused one? Oh, what's the one name of that?

557
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: If I'm gonna say.

558
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Speaker 2: If Monni came up to you after the press commerce said, Darren,

559
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: give me a name, who would you say.

560
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Speaker 4: I'm that you would suggest Tyler would No, you would say, oh,

561
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Speaker 4: I would say I'm I've really, I've really started. And

562
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: you're never supposed to fall in love with players, That's right,

563
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Speaker 4: You're not supposed to fall in over play. But I'm

564
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm feeling myself falling out of the Tyler

565
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 4: Booker bandwagon.

566
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Speaker 2: Following off on oh, on on okay, because I don't

567
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 2: know if you can fall on one, you can fall off,

568
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: you can jump on, you can jump on.

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Speaker 4: Leap on.

570
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Speaker 2: I was.

571
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Speaker 4: I was kind of torn on him early because of

572
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 4: the whole guard thing, and the more I think about it,

573
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Speaker 4: and one of the reasons that's I've thought more about

574
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: it is because in a draft where it feels like

575
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Speaker 4: there's there's some iffiness to some of the talent that

576
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 4: people are talking about in the first round, especially edge rusher.

577
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Speaker 4: I've found as you kind of read some of these things. Ye,

578
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 4: everybody says Tyler Brooker is a great dude, great guy

579
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Speaker 4: in the locker room, and plug and play starter and

580
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 4: at sixteen, what else? What else do you want?

581
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Speaker 1: Now?

582
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Speaker 4: I understand it's a guard, it's a whole thing. But

583
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: you're helping the offensive line. You're putting in a guy

584
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Speaker 4: that you're thinking could be your version of Zach Martin.

585
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 4: I mean I and again, I'm not trying to say

586
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: he's going to be Zach Martin, because Zach Martin is

587
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer or going to be a Hall

588
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: of Famer, but that's the name that I keep getting

589
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: lodged in my head.

590
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Speaker 3: I'm on the same path, if not Tyler Booker for

591
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: similar reasons Calvin Banks junior and just the versatility of

592
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Speaker 3: tackle to guard and but is expected of him. And

593
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Speaker 3: I stand by what I have said all off season

594
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: of taking a defensive lineman or an edge rusher is

595
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: still a good pick, and it's still something that makes

596
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: sense for this team. Despite the additions they've made in

597
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: those rooms throughout free agency. If the depth is as

598
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: deep as it has been projected, and you can still

599
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: get a high caliber player in rounds two and three

600
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Speaker 3: with not having that same depth on offensive line and

601
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Speaker 3: looking at the talent for some of those top players.

602
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: If not Tyler Broker, then Calvin Banks junior.

603
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Speaker 4: See, I will say, just jumping in real a lot

604
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: of the stuff that I've been reading, and again, nobody

605
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: knows knows, but it sure feels like the EBB has

606
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: been like, well, Banks was going to be picked somewhere

607
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: between fifteen and twenty two, and now it's feeling like

608
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: he might go before fifteen. And then he's not even

609
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: on the board when the Cardinals pick, that's gonna be

610
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: the thing that we all have to watch because again,

611
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: this draft is all over the place. There easily could

612
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: be guys there that you're not expecting to be a

613
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: S and vice versa.

614
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chicago still needs a tackle. They picked ten, Miami

615
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: still needs offensive line help thirteen. Once upon a time,

616
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: Tyler Booker was going to want either one of those two.

617
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: And then he's sort of slowly this slow drip, right,

618
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: and he's falling down the board.

619
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Speaker 4: Who's your guy?

620
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: Paul Walter Nolan I like Walter Nolan. I like the

621
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Speaker 2: It won't be quite like what Washington did, like, you know,

622
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: five six years ago when they took like four first

623
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Speaker 2: round defensive linemen in four years, But the forty nine

624
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: ers had a little pattern to that back in the day.

625
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: And you follow up Darius Robinson with another first round

626
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: defensive lineman. Now, look, he's gonna get fifty snaps a

627
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: game this year. No, but LJ. Collers on a one

628
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: year deal. Kalaias Campbell was in season eighteen, Lall Nichols,

629
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Speaker 2: Justin Jones. Who knows what their long term future is.

630
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: So if you got a Walter Nolan and here's a

631
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: guy who was first team All SEC as a ridiculous motor,

632
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: apparently loves the game, came out and said, I'm the

633
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: next Aaron Donald. Okay, I would vet that one out

634
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: a little bit. He had fun with that. Aaron Donald

635
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: actually Game of Call an NFL network. They set that up.

636
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: But he's has that freak factor of explosion and twitchiness,

637
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: and he's three hundred pounds.

638
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: Please don't talk to me about an ole miss defensive

639
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: tackle or a free factor.

640
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: Please, Darren, come on, please come on, please? Okay, this

641
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: guy hasn't fallen out of a second story windows. So

642
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Walter Nolan there, and you know.

643
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 4: What, that wouldn't be a bad pick.

644
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm just look, how do you compete in the division?

645
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, right, doesn't have the greatest mobility. Sam Darnold, okay,

646
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: and that Yankee Seattle offensive line and now the forty

647
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: nine ers of brock perty is indeed gonna be the guy.

648
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: And there's reports he was at the forty nine ers

649
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: day one of OTAs George Kittle was not. By the way,

650
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: Hello Niners, guess what Trey McBride makes. George Kittle now

651
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: the fourth highest paid tight end in the league.

652
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: Rumor has it some people at this table may or

653
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: may not have done a recent mock draft simulator where

654
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Speaker 3: they made a trade with Minnesota and ended up with

655
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Speaker 3: Walter Nolan.

656
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: And Tyler Booker really both of them? Yeah?

657
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: Wow, myself included.

658
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: So is that a thing that Tyler Booker's poor forty

659
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: could actually actually see him plummet out of the first round. No,

660
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: there's no way he's getting past Detroit or Kansas City, right,

661
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: I mean they both have real needs.

662
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: Tyler Brooker is going to go in the first round.

663
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: And again, unless you're making some kind of trade, the

664
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: Cardinals get their chance at one of these guys. And

665
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 4: there's a lot floating around, Like there's the stuff with

666
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 4: the Booker stuff Nolan. I've read a couple of things

667
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: where incredibly talented might need the right situation in the

668
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: locker room to keep him not I don't want to

669
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: say in line, but like might be a little bit

670
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 4: into himself and needs to get broken to that. So

671
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: you know, again all these all these guys are are

672
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: this or that, and that's why they're doing all the research.

673
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: I like.

674
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: I like all I mean, obviously, if I did a

675
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: mock draft where I got Nolan and Booker for the Cardinals,

676
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: that's huge. I would. I think Calvin Banks would be

677
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: great in particular for what you said, I mean, you

678
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: could put him at guard this year and then depending

679
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 4: on how it goes, because some people see him as

680
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 4: a tackle in this league. Some people think he would

681
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: be better as a long term guard. But you could

682
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: put him at guard that first year and then going

683
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: forward he could end up as your right tackle or

684
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: whatever that you want to end up doing. So I

685
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: love all those choices. And when you go back to

686
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 4: what Kyler would want to me, Kyler Murray's gonna want

687
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman, no doubt, Yes, no doubt, yeah, and

688
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: probably doesn't care who.

689
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: And once again going back to the division, what did

690
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: Leonard Williams do in two games against the Cardinals? Look

691
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: at the Rams defensive front now something you have to

692
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: deal with for at least the next five years. Easy.

693
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: Look at the forty nine ers. They always have a

694
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: commitment to building the defensive front, Nick Bosa and company.

695
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can understand that if I'm Kyler Murray,

696
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah you're in there. Guys went in doubt. Let's go

697
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: a whole line, no question. And by the way, the

698
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: whole thirty visit to it comes to mind how many

699
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: times has Jonathan Gannon said the first qualifier on any

700
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: player they draft or sign is do we want him

701
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: in the building?

702
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: Yep.

703
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: So if you're unsure of a player, like maybe you

704
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: didn't get the chance to vet him out at the combine,

705
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: or or there's some concerns, you know, Walter Nolan for that.

706
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: James Pierce Junior, according to reports, what he had a

707
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: speeding incident and then he had to go to court

708
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 2: for that. So he's another one who reportedly visited the Cardinals.

709
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: So once again, do you want him in your building? Well,

710
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: bring him into the building and find out.

711
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna stay for the record that I still

712
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 4: want Travis Hunter over all these guys, but I don't

713
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 4: think he's gonna be there at six which position?

714
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: Yes, let me ask you this, then, if it really

715
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: is about quality versus quantity, two years ago, you got

716
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: the most rookie starts of the most rookie snaps. Last

717
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: year he had a twelve draft pick class and then

718
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: undrafted free agents as well. Think of all the players

719
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: they have drafted or brought in from the college game

720
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: the last two years. So, if it really is about

721
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: quality versus quantity, are you willing to give up a

722
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: pick to go up there to go up and get somebody? Now,

723
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: you're not going to go up to number two and

724
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 2: get Travis Hunter most likely bought.

725
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: Are you saying move up from sixteen or you would

726
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: move up from forty seven?

727
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 4: Either one forty seven I think is more likely depending

728
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 4: on who's there. Sixteen is going to be tough. Although

729
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: the market being what it is and a lot of

730
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: people want to move down maybe if there is the

731
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 4: particular guy. But again, you got to feel some kind

732
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: of way like you're not getting to Travis Hunter. And

733
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 4: it's funny that you bring up the position, because I mean,

734
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: I think Travis Hunter is a wonderful talent, but I

735
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: think one of the reasons he's so highly coveted is

736
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: because he can do both. And I thought it was interesting.

737
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 4: You know, Zach Gershman just did a story about how

738
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: Roy Green played both ways. You got a chance to

739
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: talk to Roy Cardinal's legend on Big Red Rage, you know.

740
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons I wanted Zach to do

741
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 4: that story was because Roy will tell tell you how

742
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: difficult it is to do both. And I know Travis

743
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: Hunter wants to do both, and it's going to be

744
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: interesting to see. To me, he's made it very clear

745
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 4: he wants to play both right and how a team

746
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: deals with that and at what point we always talk

747
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: about how players struggle at the end of their careers

748
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 4: when they're like the last people to see that they

749
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 4: can't play the same way anymore. How does a younger

750
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: player like Travis Hunter might How And I'm not saying

751
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 4: he won't be able to do both, but like, how

752
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: does he handle having to lose half his identity? If

753
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: it becomes clear like to do one really well, he's

754
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 4: going to have to really dial back on the other.

755
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: Well. And Roy was pretty adamant about Look, seventeen game

756
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: regular season, and if you're truly playing both ways, instead

757
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: of going fifty or sixty snaps a game, you're going

758
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: one hundred plus. Yeah, and by the time you get

759
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 2: into December, you've played two seasons compared to everyone else's one.

760
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: So he's pretty adamant. It's really not realistic, it's not feasible,

761
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: it's not doable. You could try it. But Roy Green,

762
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: who really is the last, the last player to even

763
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: come close to doing what Travis Hunter is aiming to do.

764
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean there was a nineteen eighty one season where

765
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: Roy Green had three games where he had a pick

766
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: and a catch in each game. Yep, And so okay,

767
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean someone who's been there and done that, he said.

768
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: What's most realistic. He's a full time corner, and a

769
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: heck of a corner, he said, is all the skills

770
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: to be like an elite corner, and then ten or

771
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: fifteen playces on offense per game. And keep passing situations.

772
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: That seems to make the most logic. Rather than being

773
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 3: a full time receiver and then playing a few snaps

774
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: as cornerback. It seems like it would make more sense

775
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 3: to do vice versa.

776
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 4: And to me, the other thing too, is if you're close,

777
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: if you're close to Travis Hunter and you have his

778
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: best interests at heart, you know you can make the argument,

779
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: I deserve a little bit, I deserve more money if

780
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: I'm doing both of these things. But if you're shortening

781
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: your career by half yeap, are you really making the

782
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 4: kind of money you should instead of being cooming a

783
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 4: superstar at one and then cashing out on a couple

784
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: of contracts.

785
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: And what's amazing too, is like Bucky Brooks, who has

786
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: a background in scouting and player personnel evaluation, as Travis Hunter,

787
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: just in terms of talent rate, is the number one

788
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: corner and the number one receiver in this draft. That's

789
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: how talented he tried.

790
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: That's why it's gonna be tough to have anybody not

791
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: want him to do both.

792
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: Also meeting the media to start the off season was

793
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson, Right, did you see the Mike Vrabel quote

794
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: by the way on voluntary workouts. He's talking to the

795
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: media and he said, this is the new England head

796
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: coach now, Mike Rabel. Quote, Yeah, I write a letter

797
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: voluntarily to the players to make sure that they voluntarily

798
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: read it and voluntarily show up. And he smiled. He

799
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: made sure to use the word voluntarily. Lpat love that

800
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: three times. Not so yeah. But there was Michael Wilson,

801
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: there was Garrett Williams, there was Paris john'son was that remarkable?

802
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: Paris Johnson Junior said he hadn't played the same position

803
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: two years in a row since high school.

804
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? At Ohio State he played a different

805
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: position every season. Started as a rookie as the right tackle,

806
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: moved to the left side last year, and is now

807
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: going to stay as the left tackle. He made it

808
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: very clear he is very excited to spend an off

809
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: season knowing he's going to stay at the same position.

810
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: It is an amazing story and you wouldn't think it

811
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: to be. And then thinking of the Calvin Beach Beach

812
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: Calvin Banks possibility. He's played a tremendous amount of left

813
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: tackle in his career, and then you wonder, okay, if

814
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: you take him. Does he eventually become the left tackle

815
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 4: in Paris ends up going back to the right side.

816
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that, And I having talked to

817
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: Paris about being a left tackle last year and how

818
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: important it is for him to be left tackle, I

819
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: would not anticipate that happening. But one year at a time, everybody,

820
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: it is amazing.

821
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 2: And I'll just say this before we get cultured with Danny.

822
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: Here the mindset that's in a lot of these players.

823
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 2: Don't you see similarities between Paris Johnson Junior his drive

824
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: to get better, Garrett Williams his devotion in the game,

825
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: drive to get better, Michael Wilson talking to the media

826
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: and saying how important it is for him to help

827
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: his team more, to impact the game more, you know,

828
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: to do the most with what chances he gets, because

829
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: he felt like, you know, there were opportunities that were

830
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: left out there in year two. But it's the same

831
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: mindset you see in a lot of these whatever I've

832
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: seen those players, Yes, whatever system they have for identifying

833
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: the guys who are quote all ball, it's not one

834
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: hundred percent, but it's pretty darn effective and successful so far.

835
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: Based on the last two draft classes. Yes, Okay, there

836
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: we go, Danny take it away. Danny will segue to

837
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: here getting cultured.

838
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: With Danny, it is not just directed at.

839
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: Pulk Am I the default uncultured philistine around here.

840
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: Yes, he got me very excited. Now I am on.

841
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: Social media consume more at pop culture than both of

842
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 3: you combined.

843
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm being unfairly profiled. But go ahead, what go?

844
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with an easy one first for getting cultured.

845
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: Honorable mention, if you will. I assume you both saw

846
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: Pope Francis passed away Sunday, Easter, Sunday, rest in peace. Great,

847
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: that one doesn't count as one of my bullet points

848
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: for getting culture. I want to make sure that was

849
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: he stated.

850
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: He actually was able to deliver some sort of message

851
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: on Easter, right hours before he passed.

852
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: I made this point to my wife. She's like, there

853
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: were a couple of people talking about how he quote

854
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 4: unquote worked himself to death, and I'm thinking, with all

855
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 4: due respect, like that's at the end of my life.

856
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: That's how I want to be. I want to be

857
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 4: doing stuff. I don't want to be in a bed

858
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: for a month before I pass away. I would I

859
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 4: like the idea that Okay, right before I pass away,

860
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 4: I give an important speech. I think that's kind of cool.

861
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: Okay, the next bullepoint, I don't know how to segway genuine.

862
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: I know, I don't know how to segue for that

863
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: when you're talking about your deathbed. Okay. Boston Marathon was

864
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: this weekend. Records were broken. The women's race. Sharon Lakehetti

865
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: ran her marathon in two hours in seventeen minutes, which

866
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: means in almost the span of this Cardinal's Underground episode,

867
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: she would have run a half marathon alone.

868
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: It is, and that's the women's race, the.

869
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: Women, so the men's race. The winner was John Corrier.

870
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: He ran it in two hours and four minutes, making

871
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: him the first brother of a former champion to win.

872
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: His brother Wesley won in twenty twelve.

873
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 4: Every time the Boston Marathon comes around and you see

874
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 4: some of the stuff on TV, they show some of

875
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: those still photos of the first woman who tried to

876
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: run it, like at the point where they weren't allowed

877
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: to and there and there, and there's like a couple

878
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: of still photos of like race organizers trying to grab

879
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: her while she's running the course and she's winning this

880
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 4: big baggy sweatsuit and everything and what always blows me away.

881
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: I should have the I didn't know what you were

882
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 4: going to bring this up, so I should have the year.

883
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 4: But like, it wasn't that long ago. It was like

884
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: the late seventies. It's not like we're talking about like

885
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty and they didn't want to let women run it.

886
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: And to now talk about somebody, I mean, I'm exhausted

887
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 4: just hearing her time. That is amazing. I'm way well

888
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 4: past being able to do it now. But once upon

889
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: a time I thought, maybe maybe I will train for

890
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 4: a marathon at some point, and that would I don't

891
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: think I would be on this.

892
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: So I have a high school senior and I was

893
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: in the seminar like this sole speed day anything. All

894
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: these different colleges were presenting at the local high school.

895
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: One of them was NAU and they threw up their

896
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: quick slide of athletics right, and there's like a sort

897
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: of smatter, and then in cross country it's like seven

898
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: straight national championships because they train at seventy five hundred. Yes, yes,

899
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: that makes sense.

900
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: Okay. Next bulletpoint Cole Tucker wrapping the bird Gang at

901
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: WWE WrestleMania. I don't even follow wrestling, and I saw this,

902
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: so I hope you guys on social media as while

903
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: he was cheering front row behind the ring in Cardinals gear.

904
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: There's a great still photo. He's got his arms up cheering.

905
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: You can clearly see the birdhead on his shirt. He's

906
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: from Phoenix. He's currently a free agent shortstops. Also, he's

907
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 3: also married to Vanessa Hodgens.

908
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: Wow, I went to Mountain Point High School in Nawatuki.

909
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. You guys track who tracked that down?

910
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: Who actually got all the info?

911
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: The first time I saw the great Zach Gershman, who,

912
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 4: along with Craig Grielu, loves his w W love wrestling.

913
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 4: They saw it and he got a screenshot of it,

914
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: and it's Cole Tucker's and you can't I mean, I

915
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: didn't know it was Cole Tucker, but the guy standing

916
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: near ringside and he's got a red shirt with the

917
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: birdhead on it, you can't miss it.

918
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: I in one of these years, I need an invite

919
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: to one of Grielu's WrestleMania parties. They're epic, I hear,

920
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: I mean totally lit. Their hype I mean the cops

921
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: show up, HOA, violations everything, the Griolou House for WrestleMania,

922
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a place to be save the.

923
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: Best for last thrilling game. Dallas Stars get an overtime

924
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 3: victory and they the playoff series with the Colorado Avalanche.

925
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: I got one. I was won the electric I had

926
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: multiple friends and family members and attendance. It was an

927
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: exciting game to watch.

928
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: And that's it.

929
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: You've been cultured. You welcome.

930
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 2: Really, okay, all right, it's just sort of a sore spot.

931
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: It's not that she's a hockey fan.

932
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: That the Coyotes leaving and you know, I mean.

933
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: The Utah Hockey Club did not make the playoffs.

934
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, you know there is a spot

935
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: in our top five still. The powerpol of incompetence, ineptitude,

936
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: former Coyotes ownership for running ruining. I saw a franchise.

937
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: I saw as the as the NHL playoffs or the

938
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 4: regular season was ending, and there was a there was

939
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: a clip put out on social media. I follow Arizona

940
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 4: Sports History account and they had a like a two

941
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 4: minute clip of highlights from the coyotes first home playoff

942
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 4: game in nineteen ninety six ninety seven somewhere white out,

943
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: and I just and the year you mentioned earlier that

944
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: I'd covered hockey year, the year I covered it, they

945
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: were still downtown that place. That place was crazy in

946
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: the playoffs, it really was. I mean you really you

947
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: would have thought, and watching those clips again, this could

948
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 4: have been a hockey town playoff.

949
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: Hockey is some of the best sports environments you could be.

950
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: In that first year, the white out and that that

951
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: exact series you're talking about auxiliary press, which is code

952
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: for upper upper deck, and that's where we were, and

953
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: right next to us where the national TV announcers. Those

954
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: guys were blown away. I forget who it was. They

955
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: were veteran announcers, they've been calling games for thirty forty

956
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: years and they were absolutely blown away by the white out.

957
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: So it was really cool.

958
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: You know, who's definitely not open for business NHL hockey

959
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: in the PHX. That's true, that's for sure there.

960
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: So what else does that mean? Trey McBride's open for

961
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 4: business because he's got seventy some million it, yes he is.

962
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 4: I will say that. As we opened the off season

963
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 4: program and you see you mentioned George Kittle earlier and

964
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: you know, there was all the brock Purty talk and

965
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 4: there's you know, there's questions here and there about whether

966
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 4: guys are going to show up because of contract situations.

967
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: And to know that the Cardinals are so set and

968
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: they were set, they were set. They made sure they

969
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 4: didn't have any issues going into the off season by

970
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 4: making sure James Connor and Buddha Baker didn't reach free agency.

971
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 4: And then they made sure there was no drama going

972
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 4: into the off season by making sure Trey McBride's extension

973
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 4: was done. It's just it's a very pleasant way to operate.

974
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you avoid the drama, when you avoid the distractions,

975
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: it just strengthens a message that guess what, it's always

976
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: and only about winning, about building a team, and guess what,

977
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: all levels of an NFL franchise are part of that.

978
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: And so if you can get those deals done early

979
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: and eliminate any risk thereof of distractions or you know,

980
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: any sort of unhappiness and make sure you know the

981
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: locker room. Once again, you build from the inside out,

982
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: not only on the field in the line scrimmage, you

983
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: built from the inside out in the locker room.

984
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: Right.

985
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: Got to make sure leadership there is there, and players

986
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: feel like they're rewarded for a job well done.

987
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: I can only imagine the amount of comments made to

988
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: McBride in the locker room Tuesday, the first day of

989
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: phase one of the off season program, which is really

990
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: just strength and conditioning. But I mean, I'm sure they've

991
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: all reached out to him right or maybe seen him

992
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: right off campus, but for everyone to kind of be together,

993
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: I can only imagine what was said to him.

994
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 4: So, Paul, you got big plans for Thursday night? I

995
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: got anything in particular going on?

996
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know it'd be like our Coachella. We'll

997
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: be up there on stage. It'll be the Red Sea,

998
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: The Bird Gang will be out there, you go, headlines,

999
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: party out as far as the eye can see. And

1000
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, somebody needs to hold the mic for the

1001
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: Great Adrian Wilson, so he'll be out there.

1002
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 4: You got any details for us? What time gates open?

1003
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: Do you know?

1004
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: That?

1005
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 4: Is that four thirty four o'clock?

1006
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: Can it's open five o'clock? You know? And so once

1007
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: again you need a digital ticket, go on line and

1008
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: sign up. But it's free admission, free parking. The only

1009
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: words better than free parking would be all access. We'll

1010
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: give you all access out there. We have a great

1011
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: track record of getting the very first interview with the

1012
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: Cardinals first round pick, because if indeed they're there in

1013
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: the green room at Draft Central, they have like a

1014
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: satellite uplink and then boom, he's on the jumbo tron.

1015
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: Last year it was Marvin Harrison Junior. And then all

1016
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden, next to me, I look straight up

1017
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: and it's Paris Johnson Junior and he's grabbing to my

1018
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: mic and he's interviewing his former teammate at Ohio State.

1019
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: So most importantly you get to spend a couple hours

1020
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: with Paul Calvis.

1021
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: No, it's most definitely Adriane Wilson and so aw in

1022
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: fine form. I'm sure I'll take my share of a

1023
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: pot shots, There's no doubt about it. But I'm gonna

1024
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: leave you with this. Did you see how Green Bay

1025
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: in part marketed in themselves to the league office in

1026
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: Roger Goodell. You know, they have the whole tradition of

1027
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: the players riding the bikes during camp from the locker

1028
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: room out to the field, and apparently that's gonna be

1029
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: part of the intro. There's gonna be some sort of

1030
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 2: bike theme that's gonna be worked into the ultimate intro

1031
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: at five o'clock sharp like that, okay, And then they're

1032
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: also going to stuff like when the players go through

1033
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: a walkway, it's going to feature artwork from a Milwaukee

1034
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: based artist who has made each of the pieces from

1035
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: reclaimed wood from discarded furniture collector from across Wisconsin, Sisconsin

1036
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: and anyway they're going on. They sent their marketing package

1037
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: and video in a bike to the league office on

1038
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: Park Avenue. They sent a bike Smart created send it

1039
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: out there, and then boom in the basket was the

1040
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: actual presentation.

1041
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: I'm curious after going to Green Bay this past season,

1042
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: the media personalities that are already out there will be

1043
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: out there for a week, and what are they doing

1044
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: in Green Bay? There's three blocks of a downtown and look,

1045
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 3: had we had a great twenty four hours, but there's

1046
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: only like five restaurants. So what do I think everyone's

1047
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 3: doing in Green Bay for a week.

1048
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: Well, so part of that story, they said they've never

1049
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 2: hosted an event like this. It's one thing like when

1050
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: a visiting team comes in doesn't come close to the

1051
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: magnitude of attendance for this event, and so green Bay

1052
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: isn't enough. Green Bay Appleton doesn't have enough hotel rooms,

1053
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: does it? So people are going to be staying in

1054
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: Milwaukee and driving two hours that's wow. Or you go

1055
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: to Madison drive two hours. So that's basically what I've

1056
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: read about it. But yeah, we'll see how that goes.

1057
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to see if the draft, who the

1058
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 4: Cardinals draft is actually there. There's gonna be what about

1059
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 4: fifteen or sixteen players there, and two or three of

1060
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 4: them are quarterbacks.

1061
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: Yes, Jackson Dart actually just can't sap. But Jalen Milrow

1062
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: we'll be there. Shador Sanders said no, he changed his mind.

1063
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 2: He will not be there as it turns out. So

1064
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: what does that mean We don't know. But again, if

1065
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: Mantias support nails it once again, remember the whole mixologist

1066
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: versus Bartender.

1067
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: One last time on Cardinals Underground before the draft. Does

1068
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: should door Sanders go top ten?

1069
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: No?

1070
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: No, no, nope, Okay, we'll see if we're right.

1071
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: See, we'll see if we do. We get the light

1072
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: light the lamp next week based on our hockey get

1073
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 2: your sleep big draft weekend, and that'll do if Cardinals

1074
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:09,960
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