WEBVTT - Introducing: Shoot the Messenger 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.120 Hey, they're more than the movie listeners. I'm Nando Vila. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.920 We're taking over the feed to share a pretty wild 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:11.479 story with you. It's called Shoot the Messenger, Espionage, murder 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.239 and Pegasus Spyware. I've been working on this project for 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.560 over two years. Shoot the Messenger is a new bi 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:23.520 weekly serialized podcast from Exile Content. Season one is all 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:28.240 about Pegasus spyware. Pegasus is the world's most sophisticated spyware 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.760 to date. It can give full access to your phone. 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:37.839 That means everything, your texts, emails, phone calls, camera, microphone everything. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.240 How did this spyware come to be? We'll investigate how 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.279 it works, who makes it, and the industry booming around it. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:49.800 An episode one, which you're about to hear, will start 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.199 with the murder of journalist Jamal Kashogi and uncover how 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.840 Pegasus was found on the phones of many in his 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:06.360 inner circle. Here is Shoot the Messenger. Dubai is known 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:10.280 for luxury, high end shopping and a bump in nightlife. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.479 The heat and the United Arab Emirates can be oppressive, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.600 but in springtime Dubai can be pleasant. You can expect 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:28.800 sunshine with clear skies, balmy but not too hot. It 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:33.080 was a night like this on ap when Hanan, a latter, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.520 landed in her hometown of Dubai. After twenty two years 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.080 as a flight attendant with Emirates Airlines, the routine had 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.200 long turned to muscle memory. On this Saturday night, Hanan 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.520 had just finished a long flight from Toronto. Her shift 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.320 was over and she was tired and ready to go home. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:57.120 Hanan would have been wearing the standard Amarani uniform, a 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.840 fitted cream colored blazer with red piping with signature red 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.880 pill box hat. And this is where I like to 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.280 imagine Hanan and red pumps clacking along in the manner 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.560 which is distinctive to crew and pilots no matter how 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.320 often you fly, pulling a black roll away behind her, 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.799 always black, and maybe she had one of those squarish 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.920 topebags trapped on top of her roll away. Hannan had 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.799 deboarded a plane, exited the gate area, and walked through 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:30.959 immigration at Dubai's International Airport thousands of times, but this 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:37.280 time something was different. And this immigration people they know 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.560 me by name. He normally took my passport to speak 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.799 to me about my flight, but in this case, he 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.960 said Hannan within the side. The system is down and 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.120 I feel there is something wrong. Hannan rushed into a 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.239 nearby bathroom and locked herself in a stall. She called 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.440 the person she always called once she landed at home, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.720 her sister, and I told you, my sister, there's somethingle 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.280 and go on. Hanan had a terrible feeling that the 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.560 Emiadi men hanging around immigration had something to do with 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:14.000 her fiance. Her fiance was a journalist known for speaking 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.000 out on human rights, and in the UAE, loudly defending 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:23.040 human rights could get you detained or even jailed. Hanan's 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.519 fiance had already told her he worried about the way 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.200 his work would impact her life. He gave me the 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.560 engagement drink, and when he put the rink in my hand, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.880 he said, Hannan and his kids, I might be a 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.880 curse in new life. I might create a problem for you. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.560 Hanan wasn't involved in politics, She hadn't had any run 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.560 ins with the police. But sitting in that bathroom stall 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.240 in the Dubai airport, her fiance's words echoed in her head. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:58.760 I remember this wound. I was very scared. She gathered 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.720 herself and left the stall. When Hanan walked out of 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.440 the bathroom, She was quickly flanked by Emirati intelligence officers. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.960 One of the member woke with us quietly and the 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:20.200 behavior shift. I realized you just have to comply with Jim. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.200 Hanan was unhandcuffed, blindfolded, put in a car, and taken 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.240 to an interrogation cell. I cannot experts to you. What 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.480 is my feeling is this time the band in my 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:36.000 stomach from the bannock. The intelligence officers demanded she hand 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.440 over all of her devices, a laptop and two Android phones, 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.520 and that to share her passwords. She was taken to 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.880 a remote location where she was questioned overnight and into 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:53.839 the morning. Seventeen hours later, the intelligence officers returned Hanan's 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:59.120 devices and took her home. Hanan wanted to resume the 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.280 life she had built for herself, leading a cabin crew 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.240 across trans atlantic flights, traveling and visiting family. She looked 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.400 forward to her wedding ceremony in Washington, d C. Just 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.080 a couple of months away. But after she was detained, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.279 everything changed. It turns out that while Hanan was being questioned, 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:22.400 the Emirati intelligence officers were executing a much more effective 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.839 plan to get information from her. I never had my 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:30.600 normal life back. That's because when Amiradi intelligence officers had 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.320 Hanan's phone, they installed a highly sophisticated piece of spywear, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.159 and as Hanan went about her life, the spy where 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:43.320 had unknowingly turned her into an informant, providing a direct 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:52.400 window to the person she cared about. Most fears are 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.960 growing over the fate of missing Saudi journalist Jamaka, who 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.200 vanished after entering this Saudi Arabian consulate in Restrountable details 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.520 are pouring in about the likely death of this Washington 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:09.480 Post columnist because and they are just simply horrifying. Jamal 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.320 Kashogi Hannan's newly what husband, the Saudi journalist who had 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.080 been living in Washington, d C. In South exile writing 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.440 op eds for the Washington Post, was assassinated just months 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:26.200 after her detention. We never thought me, uncle Johnal. They 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.120 will be extremists to their level to kill him, and 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:35.600 this terrible way. When Kashoki disappeared from the Saudi consulate 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.720 in it would be weeks before the world learned what 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.680 occurred in his final hours. But it's taken years for 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.400 us to learn he wasn't just killed. He was systematically 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.440 hunted in a way we have never seen before. And 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.920 what we now know is that the first weapon used 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:58.279 against Kashogi was digital and it's called Pegasus. Pegasus is 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.960 probably the most advanced piece of spy where it is 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.200 effectively the most invasive form of surveillance imaginable licenses this 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:10.360 software to intelligence and law enforcement agencies. Worldwidime tool can 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:15.600 also be deployed by a government to crush descent. Pecasus 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.400 is a kind of software that can be used to 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:22.000 hijack your phone. It's a military grade spying software. It's 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.800 this magic thing. It can infect your phone, and once 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.600 it does, it's inside of your phone and it's like 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:33.600 a little worm and it can burrow into every piece 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.600 of equipment in your phone. This is Dana Priest. She 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.520 covers national security for the Washington Post, the same newspaper 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.640 as Jamal Kashogi. It can turn the microphone on, it 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.680 can turn the camera on. It can go into all 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:54.000 of your photos, all of your emails, even your deleted messages, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:59.360 and scoop them up and take them somewhere seven and 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.760 you'll never know it. You'll never know it. Pegasus implicates 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:08.680 several countries and multiple government agencies and unites unlikely allies. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.960 It's part of a massive and mostly unregulated, multibillion dollar 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:19.559 global industry. Battlefields aren't physical anymore. They aren't far away 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.440 across oceans or borders. They're in our pocket. And the 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.320 threats that journalists face as they seek out and reveal 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.360 uncomfortable truths are threats that we are all vulnerable to, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.000 no matter where we live, who we know, and what 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:39.679 we do. Jamaica Showgi's assassination reveals that journalists are the 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.800 canaries in the coal mine these days. You don't have 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.640 to be a high profile journalists, or a dissident or 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.880 a famous truth teller to get swept up. If you've 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.400 ever had a phone, if you've ever had a secret, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:59.520 you're at risk too. I'm Nando Vila and I'm Rose 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.920 Reed and this is Shoot the Messenger, a new investigative 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:09.160 reporting podcast from Exile Content Studio. Every season, we investigate 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.880 one international news story you may have heard the headlines. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.920 This is the deep dive. Nando and I started the 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.160 series with one question, what is the biggest threat to 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.559 journalists today? We put up a bulletin board and stuck 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.479 a pen for every journalist who was threatened or assassinated, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.000 or if they had a family member who was threatened 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.000 or assassinated directly because of their work in the last 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:36.120 five years. And we found one link that kept coming 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.000 up again and again, from Mexico to d C to 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.920 the United Arab Emirates Pegasus. How did this spyware come 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.840 to be? How does it work? And how vulnerable are you? 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.360 Over the course of ten episodes, we're doing a special 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:57.280 partnership with the Committee to Protect Journalists on espionage, murder 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:01.200 and Pegasus spyware put in the hell could have happened 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.839 in there? Which he's together what happened? Almost like who 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.160 done it? Given one instance of an attack, can we 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.680 trace that to other instances in other countries as well? 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.960 Regarding the spying and the bagattis, we did not know. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.400 They did drag him through me because they know the 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:25.959 closest to hunt to him. They started with me. Episode 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:32.319 one Jamaica Shogi a story told in three parts his life, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:40.559 death and betrayal. Jamal was a great man as a 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:45.320 journalist and as a husband. Hanana latter first met Jamalka 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.840 Shogi at a conference in two thousand and nine. Jamal 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.280 is a kind of person we can say is not 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.400 in the right or left. He's in the middle in 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.480 his opinion and his vision because he's very open minded. 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.360 Any bad ground can sit down with Jamal any race 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.400 any i do Luji and do you have a different 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.120 view from him? But you will walk away with a smile. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.600 Nana Kashoki captain touch and they are friends for almost 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.720 a decade before their romance began. I met Jamal first 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.640 time with was a nine in Dubai where I grown up, 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:25.000 and I remember very well. We had a conversation over 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.679 two hours. He was talking about the Middle East politics 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:33.800 and form policy of US toward the Middle East, and 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.760 we realize we are like a twin and we continue. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.640 And I always used to give him a feedback in 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.000 any article in the published opinion. I used to give 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.679 him a feedback and he was always waiting for me, 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.680 calling me up, discussing with me. Kasoki spent most of 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.800 his career as a writer and editor for Amadina, one 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:59.000 of the oldest and biggest newspapers in Saudi Arabia. Kashoki 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.160 had grown up among a social elite and considered himself 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.679 a moderate, but over time he developed a reputation in 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.920 the Middle East for speaking truth to power. Speaking out 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.720 cost him several jobs. He was fired from Almadina for 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.520 publishing pieces that were critical of the Saudi regime, supporting 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.880 women's rights to drive, or blowing the whistle on corruption 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:25.760 among the religious police. Kaushoki then worked for Saudi ambassadors 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:30.280 and diplomats, living between Washington, d C. And Saudi Arabia. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.120 This way he was able to maintain his elite social 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:38.120 status in the kingdom and then in the Arab spring 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:42.360 erupted across the Middle East. It's the first Arab revolution 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.640 or it wills that people were fearless, but that they 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:53.679 were joyous deposed. Egypt eighteen Day Revolution defies all expectations. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:59.240 Protesters across Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and Bahrain used social 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.120 media to nice the masses and take to the streets. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.720 In turn, many leaders in the region began to heavily 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.680 surveil social media in order to curtail public discourse and dissent. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.360 A new industry developed to keep up with government's demand 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.680 to surveil. The press was a major target. The Committee 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.160 to Protect Journalists has reported that at the end of 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:25.880 more than three hundred and sixty journalists, which is increase 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:31.200 over around the world, are currently imprisoned, either charged with 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.120 crimes against the state like treason, or their paper of 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.120 record charged with libel, or even a personal matter exposed 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:44.200 if illegal in their country, like committing adultery. Journalism such 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.199 a critical component at the outset of the Arab Spring 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.520 has become one of its long term casual. For the 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.160 very first time, a lot of the main television channels 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.040 in Egypt are directly owned by the Egyptian military. This 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.960 is new. You only need to target a handful of 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:06.000 journalists before the rest of them are in line. Enjoying 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.079 the episode, make sure to subscribe to Shoot the Messenger Espionage, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.760 Murder and Pegasus spyware. You can find exiles Shoot the 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.760 Messenger anywhere you get your podcasts. Okay, let's get back 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.760 to the episode. Following the Arab Spring in two thousand eleven, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.640 authorities across North Africa and the Middle East increased online 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:31.840 censorship and took over broadcast networks and media companies. Revolution 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:37.040 did not come to Saudi Arabia, but in Saudi Arabia 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.840 got a new leader, now a thirty one, an astonishing 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:45.880 rights to power appears complete. They call him MBS. He's young, 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.760 popular and promising more change than these country's ever seen. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.480 The Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, commonly referred to as MBS, 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.560 initially spoke of reforms. He allowed women to drive and 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:04.800 attend sporting events. But while MBS endorsed some social reform, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.600 he crushed any type of political reform or opposition. Here's 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.280 a clip of Jamal ka Shogi commenting on the new leadership, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.480 taken from an interview he did with Global News. I 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.120 have fixed treelings about that. I'm very much supportive for 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.280 his reform for reform, but in the same time I 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:30.560 immediately say he doesn't need to disintimidation. Mohammed bin Samon 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.560 took the new social media playbook to a new level 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.280 in Saudi Arabia. He worked closely with authorities to watch, 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:43.239 target and silence any opposition, either discrediting opponents and complex 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:48.000 media campaigns or arresting them and sometimes their family members 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:54.720 as well. Kahoki's friends advised him to be careful. It 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.160 was sad to me, but it is not that I 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.040 time to shave MBS and his media is our singled 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.600 out independent journalists after Koshogi openly questioned the Saudi regime 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.920 support for the newly elected American President Donald Trump on Twitter. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.119 Authorities told Koshogi to stay offline in two thousand sixteen 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.920 because he said a negative opinion about electing President Donald Trump. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.680 The Saudi authority did most like he speaking frankly and 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.200 ask him to sit down at home, not to write anything. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:34.920 Most to a bear almost under house arrested in the 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.520 summer of two thousand seventeen, Jama Kashogi decided it was 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.480 time to leave his home country of Saudi Arabia. Whatever 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.360 ner space I had was getting nerwer, So I just 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.280 decided to leave before I just do it. Sixty years 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.800 old and they want to enjoy life and they want 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.600 to be three to speak for my country. Kashoki continued 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:00.720 his reporting, but he never considered himself a dissident. Jammal 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.840 did not leave to criticize, only just for a sick 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.560 of criticize. Jam l was of domestic about future of 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.119 his country. He loved his country, but he loved to 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.680 be identified as in Saogia and Arabs. Kashoki went to 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.960 d C and began writing Our Beds for the Washington Post. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.760 Kashogi put more than six thousand miles between himself and 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.480 the Crown Prince and thought he would start a new chapter, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:28.840 one where he could be free to speak his mind. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.919 Hanan allowed her remembers the day Kaushoki arrived in the 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.040 United States. I was in London in this day operating 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.800 my flights. Immediately I called to him to chicken him. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.040 I was so happy, and I did tell him something 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.439 and I believe in it. I said, make use of 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:55.919 your freedom. Speak up, And Kashoki did speak up. He 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.840 used his new platform in the United States to comment 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.320 on his home country and Middle Eastern politics, and his 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.520 first columns for The Washington Post, Kashogi wrote, quote Saudi 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:11.000 Arabia's Crown Prince is acting like Putin, and quote Saudi 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:17.200 Arabia wasn't always this repressive. Now it's unbearable. As Jamaka 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.360 Shogi worked in exile, his fan base grew to over 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.879 a million followers on Twitter. Saudi has an extremely active 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.840 Twitter base. There's data showing that more than seventy of 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.600 Saudis are Twitter users. Even in ocean away from Saudi 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.840 Arabia Jamaica, Shogi still knew he had to be cautious. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.320 He avoided going to Saudi embassies and would tell his 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.720 fellow exiled friends to avoid them too, But he wasn't scared. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.639 As Hanan would describe, he was trying to be carefully, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.400 but he wasn't scared for his life. He never come 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.520 back home and the books that change fifty chin in 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.280 the door I used to do before we go to sleep. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.639 Kashoki got comfortable with his new life in exile, but 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.760 he was homesick. He wanted to build a more permanent 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.640 home and turned to Istanbul, Turkey, a mix between east 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.920 and West, closer to his home country, but what Kashoki 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.240 considered a safe enough distance. We agree. You have to 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.879 buy a fleft in the stumble, to get a passport 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.760 and to get a shelter from the Turkish authority. Moving 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:27.400 a Turkey this is where things got a little more complicated. Well, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.840 Jamal's personal life was more complex than we knew before 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:39.879 he died. He had two relationships. One was a longer 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:44.359 relationship and he was married and that was Hanan. And 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:49.360 the second relationship that we knew more about was his 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:56.040 recent fiance Hatija in Turkey, so the two women did 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.280 not know each other. During a trip to Istanbul, a 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:04.720 friend entered Koshogi to a Turkish scholar, Hatija Sindas. Around 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.800 the same time Kashoki married Hanan in a religious Muslim 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.960 ceremony in Washington, d C. He began dating Hatija and 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:16.880 Istanbul and Hanan didn't know about Hadija and Atisha didn't 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:22.360 know about Hanan, and most people, honestly, even his good friends, 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.040 did not know about Hanan. We're not here to focus 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:30.200 on Kashogi's romantic endeavors. He's not here to explain himself 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.879 to us or to the women in his life. But 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.680 it's important to know because to understand how Koshoki died, 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.880 we need to unpack the logistical details around the engagement 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.919 to Turkish scholar Hatija Sindas because to get legally married 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:52.400 in Turkey, Kashogi needed paperwork, and to get that paperwork, 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.199 Kashoki had to go to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:10.520 On Friday, septem eighteen, Jamal Ko Shogi didn't make an 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:14.840 appointment to visit the Saudi consulate. He just walked in 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.440 and to kashogi surprise, he was greeted warmly. After years 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.760 of experiencing harassment and intimidation from the government, which had 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.399 ultimately forced him to live in exile. Kaushogi found himself 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.720 being offered tea by the Saudi officials in Istanbul. They 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.320 told him to come back Tuesday, October two to get 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.639 the final paperwork. In the last five days, Kashogi was alive. 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.720 He lived like a freeman. He traveled to London for 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.160 a conference, made plans for the future. He was emailing 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:47.159 his editors at the Washington Post, bloodsapping with friends across 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.920 the world, texting with Hanan, and arranging logistics with Hatch. 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:57.280 Back in Istanbul. The morning of Tuesday October two, two eighteen, 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.440 Kashogi met Hatija at an empty apart mint in his 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:05.360 tample one that would be their new home. CCTV captured 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.359 the couple holding hands on their walk to the Saudi consulate. 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.680 They went together to the points to look and it's 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:16.760 in a quiet, leafy, very pretty residential area. This is 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.280 Carlotta Golf, the bureau chief of the New York Times 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.840 in Istanbul, who reported on the Jamaica Shogi case. He 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:28.359 handed her his bones and goes in, and so she 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:32.720 waited outside. It was one four pm when Kashogi entered 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.640 the consulate, and then that was the last only one 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:39.600 sort of thing, um, and then she's hanging around for 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:44.640 hours after until finally it's clear that concerts closed and 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.160 she asks the god. They say there's no one here. 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.280 She asks the police and you say everyone's gone. And 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.840 that's when she started. And then it calls to people. 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.680 Her teacher made many calls that night, including some to journalists, 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.359 which is how Carlotta got the tip. Because Shogi had 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:06.640 disappeared from the Saudi consulate. The next day, I went 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:11.240 up to consulate and that's where I ran into her 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.520 teacha and she was sort of still there, pacing sidewalk, 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:18.200 and she'd been there all that previous night, and then 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.879 um was outstanding outside the whole one next day, and 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.040 I was the first interview she gave in. But actually 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.280 when she saw me, she just started to open up 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.639 the society dissidents who wouldn't go near a Saudi concert 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.560 or embassy. I knew there were stories of previous kidnappings. 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:39.800 I was thinking he might have been taken out in 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.280 the trunk of a car, and I was imagining she 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.360 had been taken to an airport, private airport, and already 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:53.840 deport or renditioned, as the word goes what happened from 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:59.040 Jamaica security camera captured the last time journalist Jamaica Shogi 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:01.359 was seen a lot. The group of senators is also 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:04.680 written to trigger an investigation. The State Department says that 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:14.040 is premature. Dana Priest remembers the day Jamaka Shogi went missing. 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.560 My mind kept flashing back to the two of us. 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.359 We were seated around this gigantic, empty table very you know, 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:25.400 beautiful white tent, white tablecloth. That face kept coming back 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.320 to me, and I just kept saying, what in the 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:31.200 hell could have happened in there? You know, in no 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:37.680 way could I have imagined what was happening? Mm hmm yeah. 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.679 As news of Kashogi's disappearance spread across the world, local 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:45.920 reporters on the scene in Istanbul, including Carlotta Gal, We're 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.600 working together to get more information, but none of us 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:54.280 had any idea of what really had happened. We pieced 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:58.560 together what happened, almost like who done it? For one week, 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:03.399 Jamaka Shogi remained unaccounted for. The Saudi government evaded questions 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.840 about his disappearance. It was as if he had vanished 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:12.439 into thin air. And then Turkish intelligence released secret tapes. 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.440 So We've been able to piece together the last minutes 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:21.320 of Kashogi's life. Be warned, it's quite explicit. Major breaking 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.040 news this morning, A jaw dropping exclusive on the murder 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:28.520 of Washington Post journalist Jamaka Shogi. New footage that is 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:33.240 flat out shocking. Lying in white inside was a Saudi 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:38.160 hit squad. The transcript indicates noises as people set upon 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.919 KOI can be heard saying I can't breathe. Kashogi was 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.360 then injected with a sedative and suffocated with a plastic 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:50.119 bag brought with them an autopsies expert and a bone 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.919 sawed to put the body in a bug no too heavy, 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:58.120 very cool. Kagi was allegedly beheaded and dismembered limb by Limb, 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.960 apparent leader of the team. May at least three phone 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.280 calls during the murder to a number of Turkish officials 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:09.200 identify as being in the Saudi Royal court. The thing 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:13.720 is done, It's done. It is possible that Jamal's body 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.919 was transported back on on one of the planes. A 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.520 lot of meat was bought for a barbecue that took 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:24.200 place in the console's garden just after the murder took place, 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.879 and that the theory being that Jamal's body was mixed 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:32.000 with this meat and incinerated at a very high temperature. 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:37.080 And it's still kind of appalls me that we were 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:41.800 standing there in the street outside this building where this 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:46.359 unbelievable murder had already occurred, you know. And I still 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.240 think of that of Paul her dj to think that 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.200 she was just standing there while he was being hacked 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:56.200 to death inside. And I'm sure she's still thinks about 0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:04.680 every day. Koshoki's murder caused an international uproar. The grizzly 0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:08.480 details came out because Turkish intelligence admitted that they had 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:12.720 been bugging the Saudi consulate. The Turk shared the tapes 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.800 with the u N so the world would know what 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:19.359 had happened to Jamal ka Shogi. Investigations by both the 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:23.960 u N and the CIA unequivocally linked Kashoki's murder with 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:28.680 direct orders from inside the Saudi Kingdom. We have breaking 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.320 news this afternoon. Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mommed Bin Salman 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:38.879 approved the assassination of Washington Post columns jamalka In. In 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.040 one of Kashi's last columns for the Washington Post, he wrote, 0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:46.600 what the Arab world needs most is free expression. It 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.480 has been four years since Kashoki's murder, and the link 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.080 to the Crown Prince is just the tip of the iceberg. 0:27:53.080 --> 0:28:01.560