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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we just wanted to give you a little

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Speaker 1: disclaimer before we dive into this topic that it does

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Speaker 1: pertain to domestic violins and abuse.

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Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: He everybody It's almost Famous podcast, and today we are

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Speaker 3: here to break down some news on the Taylor, Frankie

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Speaker 3: before we get started, I do want to share some

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Speaker 3: good news, some uplifting news, some news that I think

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Speaker 3: listeners will hear and be like, you know what, the

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Speaker 3: Ashley and Jared are really cool people.

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Speaker 1: Oh is this from you talking to my sister?

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Speaker 3: No I am I suppose to have better news from

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Speaker 3: talking Oh no, no, no like you.

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Speaker 1: I just love that you guys are chatting about me

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Speaker 1: for an hour each week. It's so weird. It's really

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Speaker 1: not about me. Mostly, it's mostly about the people that

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Speaker 1: I hang out with here in Nord Island.

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Speaker 3: It's all very negative. Hey, I just got a message

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Speaker 3: based on Ashley's stardom on the Real Housewives of Rhode

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Speaker 3: Island from a lady. I won't say her name because

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Speaker 3: she didn't tell me I could she said, I placed

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Speaker 3: an order and it was a great order of coffee

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Speaker 3: thanks to Jared and Ashley's Audrey's Coffee Shop. Much love

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Speaker 3: from another Bachelor Nation member, So ash only do I

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Speaker 3: hope Audrey's continues to thrive based on this generous is

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Speaker 3: also benefiting from your time, and so if nothing else

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Speaker 3: know that I am thankful and appreciative and that lives

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Speaker 1: On Time was the perfect timing because I just watched

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Speaker 1: episode three before getting on here with you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not I don't like myself in it. Normally I watch it,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I watch myself on whatever, and I'm like, oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: Because you know, when you watch yourself on TV and

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Speaker 1: then you don't like think that you just don't feel it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it can whack you out for a little bit. I'm

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Speaker 1: very grateful that because you and I have been through

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Speaker 1: this a number of times that like, I really let

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Speaker 1: and if it's been on for like twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: someone all right past you know. Yeah, And I think

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Speaker 1: But like I just don't like my episode and it's okay,

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Speaker 1: Well could get past it. But good things are happening, Ash,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about it maybe a little bit. It's all

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Speaker 1: good because Generous Coffee. I mean, that's what's really important,

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Speaker 3: I mean I just got a letter, Ashulely, from an

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Speaker 3: organization called Furnishing Hope, and a young lady is getting

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Speaker 3: at her home. Who you know, somebody that was without

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Speaker 3: so yeah, good things are happening. It all works out

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Speaker 3: in the end. Actually, just keep trucking. Hey, there are

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Speaker 3: some things in life that are harder to forget and

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Speaker 3: one of those things. Obviously, we spent months every Friday

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Speaker 3: talking about Taylor Frankie Paul and her lead up to

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Speaker 3: being the Bachelorette. We did that, Ashley, because we knew

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Speaker 3: there was a lot of commentary on her being the Bachelorette, Right,

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Speaker 3: and the history. And I thought did and thanks to

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Speaker 3: There was a video released from twenty twenty three. That's

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Speaker 3: All happened like twenty four hours after the postponement of

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Speaker 3: Not being legal experts here, so there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: That, so let's kick it off with this headline to

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Speaker 3: give people some clearance and some guidance. Taylor Frankie Paul

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Speaker 1: So, yes, multiple things happened today. They were supposed to

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Speaker 1: before their meeting, she filed a temporary protective order against Dakota,

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Speaker 1: revealing new details in this filing about the alleged February

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Speaker 1: domestic violence incident. Again, this was just before a court hearing.

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Speaker 1: So what happens is there's a lot of back and

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Speaker 3: Just to be clear, they were supposed to meet virtually today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Ben. So in this filing today from

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Speaker 1: then he detailed four alleged incidents during their relationship. He

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Speaker 1: in relation to the February incident. Dakota, this is a quote,

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Speaker 1: there's no risk to the child. During one alleged incident

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Speaker 1: Eric lawyer said that his client and Dakota got into

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Speaker 1: So now we're, of course we're getting these are details

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Speaker 1: Taylor filed in this protective order, and he said that

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Speaker 1: photos of the alleged injuries and text messages that followed

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Speaker 1: the incident. He also notes that Taylor lashed out during

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Speaker 1: Anger is this is a quote is very clearly unambiguously

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Speaker 1: Her children. The Tuesday protective order filed by Taylor, the

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Speaker 1: one today notes that in February, this is very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I need to know your interpretation of this. Dakota tattooed

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Speaker 1: his initials of Taylor inside of his lip and sent

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Speaker 1: her a picture because their relationship had concluded. The photos

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Speaker 1: something out of fear Right, the movie Fere with Mark Wahlberg.

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Speaker 1: God, you must it just like seems like she tattooed

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Speaker 1: it also disappears after like a certain number of years.

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Speaker 1: The tattoo doesn't stay, but it kind of is like

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Speaker 3: If I am to hear this, it feels manipulative. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I well, I'm probably looking a little bit deeper

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes I mean, it makes sense to me.

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Speaker 3: It seems very unhealthy. I guess it would be like

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Speaker 3: my very uneducated like layman's opinion would be that feels weird.

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Speaker 3: And then that's the vocabulary I could put around it

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Speaker 5: So what was established today was that she gets eight

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Speaker 5: hours with their son from now until a April thirtieth,

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Speaker 5: So it's not very long.

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Speaker 1: So it's like three weeks this will be in place,

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Speaker 1: and she can do it in like chunks of two

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Speaker 3: It's that supervised time too, where somebody sits there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's saying in the end, Commissioner Russell ordered

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Speaker 1: that the supervised parental visits for Taylor before they meet

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Speaker 5: Is is yeah, so that la la la la la

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Speaker 5: legal speak, but yeah, it needs to be supervised parental visits.

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Speaker 1: And then there's also notes that like the two of

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Speaker 1: them when they're just not around each other. It's like

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Speaker 1: everything's fine. So that's kind of one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: that she filed the order of protection against him today

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Speaker 1: because I guess like it's just double duty, like we

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Speaker 3: Okay, all this is is there's a lot of obviously

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Speaker 4: So then the next one is April thirtieth. So obviously

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Speaker 1: We definitely need a lawyer on here. Let's yeah, let's

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Speaker 3: that'd be perfect. Thank you. Hey, this has been the

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