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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. I am your host

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Speaker 1: with Sean McDonald. I recognize that we all have different

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Speaker 1: tell people's time to stop reading other people's success stories

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Speaker 1: and start writing your own. People always talk about their gifts,

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Speaker 1: Alicia Wainwright. A little background on her Haitian Jamaican received

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Speaker 1: by Michael B. Jordan and Charles D. King Good Friend

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Speaker 1: After Dion starts to manifest several mysterious superhero like billites.

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Speaker 1: Two years later, now after defeeding the Crooked Man, and

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Speaker 1: in the second season. Season two follows Dion as he

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Speaker 1: But please welcome to Money Making Conversation master Class the

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Speaker 1: incredibly talented, by the way talented Alicia Ranway. How are

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Speaker 1: much for that introduction. Well, you know, Alicia, I got

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Speaker 1: return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. I am your host, Rashaan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: I recognized that we all have different definitions of success.

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Speaker 1: For you, it may be the size of your paycheck.

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Speaker 1: Mine is inspiring people to accomplish their goals and live

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Speaker 1: their very best life. It's time to stop reading other

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Speaker 1: or coworkers stop you from planning or living your dream.

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Speaker 1: In the world that it's concreasingly dependent on technology, STEM

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Speaker 1: education is very important for the future of our kids

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Speaker 1: and future jobs. And they have basic knowledge of the

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Speaker 1: computer programming that's put forth to us everyday via your

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Speaker 1: phone tech related skills. Brothers Harold and Hans van Cole

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Speaker 1: that's a great name, can talk organically about the experience

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Speaker 1: of getting involved with the Limitless initiative and the KRPR

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Speaker 1: robot simulative project they're helping to spearhead. The organic extra

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Speaker 1: of how they were introduced to the Limitless and why

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Speaker 1: they got involved with the project is pretty inspiring. Harold

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Speaker 1: and Hans Vancle are founders of their consulting company HV Unlimited,

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Speaker 1: where they work to help companies get into the gaming space.

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Speaker 1: They also leaders a GRAB Games and gaming company that

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Speaker 1: creates entertainment and the vr R, a R enabled platforms

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Speaker 1: games in the virtual reality all algumented reality space. Harold's

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Speaker 1: VP creative a VP creative at Grab Games, and Hans

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Speaker 1: is CEO a GRAB Games. Please welcome to Money Main conversation.

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Speaker 1: For the very first time, they might be I might,

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Speaker 1: I might be robotic today I finished with these guys.

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Speaker 1: Harold le fella, all right, thanks for having us. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to a couple of USC grads and the heart

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Speaker 1: of Los Angeles that I got a new football coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. You know, we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: get too far with that, but I just gotta acknowledged

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Speaker 1: that football maybe back on the campus of the Universe,

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Speaker 1: so we were there during the glory years, so I

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Speaker 1: know that's right. Well, you know, so you remember when uh,

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Speaker 1: when uh, just speaking off the cup of the U

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Speaker 1: T game, the well, the greatest football game I've seen

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Speaker 1: in college football game, Yeah, that that was. That was

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Speaker 1: a brilliant game. This is a brilliant, brilliant football game.

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Speaker 1: If you're a fan of college football, it's a game

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Speaker 1: you always will remember. But but you guys, uh, when

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Speaker 1: I see your name Harold and Hans and just the

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Speaker 1: Hans van Cole, it sounds so European. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: gotten that a lot time, fellas. Yeah, definitely. Always always

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Speaker 1: get asked like, oh are you German? Or how did

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Speaker 1: you get that name? And they're always they always get

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Speaker 1: disappointed when I just tell him, yeah, they my parents

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Speaker 1: saw it in the baby book and they like that. So, Harold,

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Speaker 1: how did you get your name? Then? What baby book

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Speaker 1: they saw your name? Ma'm I'm assuming it's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But you know, my name doesn't draw as many reactions. So,

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Speaker 1: but but what does draw reaction is the fact that

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Speaker 1: you guys are in the you know, we hear the

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Speaker 1: word STEM being thrown out a lot to STEM say

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Speaker 1: the the America is falling backwards, uh behind in the

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Speaker 1: STEM educational platforms, and especially when you minorities are people

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Speaker 1: of color, the STAM education platform almost becomes non existence.

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Speaker 1: And then we had the pandemic jump all over us

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Speaker 1: and turn into virtual living, which means that you have

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Speaker 1: to have some clear understanding of computer or how to

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Speaker 1: use your phone for your child to be educating. And

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Speaker 1: we all know that the footprint for Internet is not

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Speaker 1: always available for people of color. So when I say

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Speaker 1: those harold those things. What saddens you the most about

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Speaker 1: what has happened to the minority community the last two

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Speaker 1: years with the pandemic tied to education? I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a big question. I think, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: already a bit of a divide um in terms of

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Speaker 1: educational opportunities and kind of what kids have access to. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, when when I first showed up in high school, uh,

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Speaker 1: I was I was meeting all these people. It was

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Speaker 1: lot of people outside of my immedia area. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: you know they're starting in uh Spanish too, and you know,

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Speaker 1: advanced algebra and all these things. And I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: you guys had those classes at your school and you

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Speaker 1: know they had music classes and different languages and uh

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Speaker 1: you know, computer courses and all that stuff. And you

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Speaker 1: know it starts so early that those diverging paths, you know,

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Speaker 1: UM and seeing that there's just different opportunities at different

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Speaker 1: schools UM can really set people way ahead or start people,

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Speaker 1: you know, behind the starting blocks. And so when you

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Speaker 1: look at that as a as a basis, um it

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Speaker 1: only the pandemic only made it worse. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's you have these situations where you know, like I

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Speaker 1: think some like eight of kids you know at or

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Speaker 1: below the poverty line, you know, couldn't even regularly attend

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Speaker 1: there their remote classes because you know, there's situations at

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Speaker 1: home and different things going on. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: school was a place where one you knew where your

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Speaker 1: kids were gonna be and two you had people really

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Speaker 1: guiding what it was that they were doing. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, the pandemic just kind of widened that because

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Speaker 1: now you're bringing in you know what like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: what internet do they have access to. What hardware do

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Speaker 1: they have access to? Um and so you start to

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Speaker 1: see a lot of programs start to come up to

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Speaker 1: try to get hardware into the hands of kids, try

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Speaker 1: to give families, you know, better internet access, cheaper internet access,

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Speaker 1: because unfortunately, you know, economic uh you know factors really

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Speaker 1: play into the barriers that that kids have for education,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we don't think that should be the case.

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Speaker 1: Uh So the pandemic just kind of widened a gap

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Speaker 1: that kind of already existed. At the gap when you

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Speaker 1: talk about it, Haggs, when you start talking about the

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Speaker 1: are which is virtual reality and augment the reality, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's if you if you're not if you're not even

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Speaker 1: on the plane of two plus two's four equal four,

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Speaker 1: then this the distance is more amazing because what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about is what we're seeing basically in the Marvel movies.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's that bringing out that life, you know,

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Speaker 1: walking into a store and you see a dinosaur standing

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Speaker 1: over you. Because I was fortunately or with a contract

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Speaker 1: I had with their National Guard to get into the argument.

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Speaker 1: And it's really as a three D world that really exists,

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Speaker 1: and I know there's some type of programming now where

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Speaker 1: I was working with this guy he was in London

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Speaker 1: and then on my cell phone. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: able to appear like he was on my front step

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Speaker 1: with me talking. That's how advanced this program and he's

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Speaker 1: getting it's almost getting to a version of teleporting somebody.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like I teleported him from London to my

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Speaker 1: front step and on my phone he was sitting right

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Speaker 1: next to me on my on the sofa on my

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Speaker 1: front step. So how can we catch up? Are are we?

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Speaker 1: Are we fighting a game that we won't catch up with?

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Speaker 1: Harm um? I think I think it all starts at

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Speaker 1: really establishing the the knowledge set from a core level

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Speaker 1: with with the kids that are coming up and the

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Speaker 1: people that are in high school and and going to college.

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Speaker 1: I think the the main, the main piece with all

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Speaker 1: of this this technology that's that's uh, you know, blowing

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Speaker 1: us away daily is at its core, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: programming language or or some some set of rules that

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Speaker 1: apply across across these different technology areas. So I think

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Speaker 1: more and more people need to understand the how critical

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Speaker 1: it is to learn the skills because technology is not

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Speaker 1: going away um as as we as we know, UM

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Speaker 1: everybody is very dependent on on their phone, and the

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Speaker 1: phone does many any many things for us makes our

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Speaker 1: lives a lot easier. Um, but that's all technology drive. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting because you know, I'm just I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm old school. I go back to the four train

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Speaker 1: in the past gal programming days, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm like a dinosaur when I was back there programming

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Speaker 1: versus what they're doing. When you look at augmented reality programming,

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Speaker 1: what what has blown you away the most about that?

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Speaker 1: What have you seen at that you can tell my

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Speaker 1: people are watching this or people who are listening to

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Speaker 1: this about the future of augmented and why that is

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Speaker 1: so powerful? Well, I mean just just in the name itself,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's something that's meant to improve your already

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Speaker 1: existing reality. Right. So, um, just there's there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of different projects that that we've worked on, um, A

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Speaker 1: lot of which haven't been released or that we can't

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Speaker 1: talk about in details. Oh really we have one of

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Speaker 1: the conversations there we can't talk about. Can you talk?

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Speaker 1: Can you talk? Because I'll give I'll give a little something,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, but you know, so one of

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Speaker 1: one of the projects that we've that we've worked on

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Speaker 1: was with the NBA, where um just being able to

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Speaker 1: improve that NBA viewing experience. And one of the things

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Speaker 1: that that augmented reality presents is the ability to deal

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Speaker 1: with alumetric data. So what you were referring to earlier

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Speaker 1: about having a meeting with somebody in London that seemingly

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Speaker 1: was right next to you, you know, that's that's a

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Speaker 1: that's that was most likely a volumetric capture. But imagine

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Speaker 1: being able to do that with a tennis match or

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Speaker 1: an NBA game where on your tabletop you can see

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Speaker 1: the entire court of a of a Lakers game and

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Speaker 1: all the players are doing their highlights and everything right

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Speaker 1: in front of you, and it's it's a completely different

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Speaker 1: view we experience. You shook your head. You still was

643
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Speaker 1: like an ah, You're like, yeah, yeah, I still hadn't

644
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: figured that out yet, but I'm working with Yeah. Sometimes

645
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: you forget, like we I mean, we've done so much stuff.

646
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: It's you know, sometimes you forget some what some of

647
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: your favorite projects were and how it's going to evolve

648
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: h the game. Like if you can imagine a team

649
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: watching film and they got to sit in the room

650
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: and watch the film, but you know, why not walk

651
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: onto a court and you know you size up the

652
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: data and instead of watching the play, you can relive

653
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: the play. Again. Let's step through what each person saw

654
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: from their perspective, because a lot of the times people

655
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: are you know, making calls from the stands or from

656
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: the bench, but they don't see what the players see. Um.

657
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: And you can go through frame by frame from that

658
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: player's perspective and just stand there and watch how the

659
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: play is developed. Me. You know that could kind of

660
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: change the game. But um, when you start to see

661
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: you know, we all know how big sports are um.

662
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: And and you know leagues like the NBA or some

663
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: of the most forward thinking uh in the world. But

664
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Speaker 1: you know there's always people behind the scenes bringing this

665
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: technology for it. Uh. And so you know, like Hans

666
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: was saying, it all starts with exposure. UM, who's going

667
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: to be leading that charge? Uh? And like you said,

668
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Speaker 1: like you were talking about for a trand and dealing

669
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Speaker 1: with those languages, and we were doing C and C

670
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: plus plus and you know, react and all this new stuff. UM.

671
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Speaker 1: But you know we had to learn it in our

672
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: later years. You know, imagine what it would be like

673
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: if a kid grows up with it, right, right, it's

674
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: no different than when when kids started to grow up

675
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: with basketball. And now we're having these generational talents that

676
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 1: developed the skill over time. You know, the same thing

677
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: can happen with programming and learning these languages because you know,

678
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: when when these kids were taught the game, nobody expected

679
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: them to evolve the game. They were the way they did. Uh.

680
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: And when kids grow up with this coding and they

681
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: start to bring their flavor to it, um, you know,

682
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: like like we do. Um. You know, that's what's gonna

683
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: be exciting and that's what's really gonna drive the technology forward. Um.

684
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: And also you know, elevate our involvement in it because

685
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: we consume it and you know, but we're not creating

686
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: it as much as we should be, right. You know.

687
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Speaker 1: Really interesting. You know when I early in my college life,

688
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: you know, I was really in the computer science and

689
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, eventually got my degree in mathematics. Um. When

690
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: the physics had something to do with that, I just

691
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: couldn't get past physics, guys. Physics was like physical physics.

692
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: I could not get to that. You know, the train

693
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Speaker 1: leaves at one o'clock and the other train leaves north

694
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: at two o'clock, what time they are around? I could

695
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: never get that exact arrival time, so so I would

696
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Speaker 1: limit publicly. I got one fl on my transcript with physics.

697
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: Then I realized, you know, some get out of that.

698
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: You know math, I went through three. I went through

699
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Speaker 1: Calculus one, two and three without a book, so I

700
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Speaker 1: knew math. I was over there fiddling around with somebody

701
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Speaker 1: shouldn't would be fiddling around with. But one thing I

702
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: did enjoy about computer science was that it was like

703
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: birth in life because you you're taking an idea and

704
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: you can you can animate it, you can redirect it,

705
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: you can you can create with it. That was the

706
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: most enjoyable part of that. You know. The thing about

707
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: it when I look at young kids, you know, they

708
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: look at entertainers, they see dollars, they see big houses.

709
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: I look at you know, they look at athletes. They

710
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: see dollars, they big big houses. They don't see the

711
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: injuries to the athletes. Are the athletes who don't make

712
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: it to the dollars in the big houses. So when

713
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Speaker 1: I went to SO, I have to ask this question,

714
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: is that money to be made? And what you guys

715
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: are doing very much so. Absolutely. UM. I think it's

716
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: one of those things where UM we call it quiet

717
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: money a lot of the times because it's it when

718
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: you're when we're going to meetings and we're meeting people

719
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: that are behind the scenes at a Facebook or um

720
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: a Google. Like those people aren't as forward facing as

721
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: athletes and entertainers, but those are the people that are

722
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: that are enabling the athletes and entertainers to kind of

723
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: put themselves out there. Like one of the one of

724
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: the biggest revelations that UM we would try to tell

725
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: people is just like, hey, UM, have you ever heard

726
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: of a company UM called AWST, Amazon Web Service and more.

727
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: I think just recently they started doing commercials for the

728
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: first time. For the longest time, people that aren't in

729
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: tech didn't really know what they were. But those guys

730
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: basically control what is it here about sixty or of

731
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: all the websites that that control the control Okay, it's

732
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: definitely up there as well as my email blast okay, okay, yeah,

733
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: but like he said, those are the people behind the scenes, right, Like, um,

734
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, there's no no knock on sports and uh entertainment.

735
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: But I had a teacher in high school used to

736
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: always tell us more people get struck by lightning every

737
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: year than make it to the NBA, right, and so

738
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about you know, point one zero zero

739
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: one percent of everyone who plays basketball can make it

740
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: to that pinnacle level. I don't really like that compared

741
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: to I don't want to get struck by lightning, you know,

742
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to be you know, that's a painful

743
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: way to realize you can't accomplish. But what you can

744
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: always say, like I've never known anyone that got struck

745
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: by lightning, and that kind of puts it in perspective like, um,

746
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: you don't even know someone who knows somebody who's gotten

747
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: struck by so um. But a lot of the times

748
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of what's fed to uh, to our communities

749
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: because that's what they see, you know, it's it's part

750
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: of the it's part of the persona of an entertainer

751
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: or an athlete. Um to show that stuff, it's part

752
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: of the character. It's part of you know, what they

753
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: have to sell, you know, and that's all cool. I mean,

754
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: I have a crazy sneaker collection. I love this stuff.

755
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: There's artistry. And if there's all this stuff and people

756
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: kind of bring their style to it. But um, you know,

757
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: the biggest, the most outwardly facing tech person that we

758
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: have right now is probably Elon Musk because he sort

759
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: of understands and smoke openly smoke weak, right, and it's

760
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: but but what people, what we're trying to push is,

761
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people in tech that

762
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: make great money. Like you know when you look at

763
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: the owners of most of these teams and a lot

764
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: of them made money in the dot com Q Yeah,

765
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: like own Cisco and Google and like all these different teams,

766
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: like people's favorite teams, favorite players play for teams at

767
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: these people own um. And then you look at the

768
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: Forbes list every year who's the most richest people's you know,

769
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: telecom people old money. But there's a lot of people

770
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: in there that are our new money, new tech money. Um.

771
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: And so there's there's a lot of pieces to that pie.

772
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: And all it takes is uh, like like you said, exposure. Um.

773
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: But you know, we we understand who we were kids once. Um.

774
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: You know, we're watching Michael Jordan's on TV and we're

775
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: watching the shoes anywhere and we want the shoes. Um.

776
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 1: So you know there's something to be said about how

777
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: it's presented. Um, when we were growing up, it's like,

778
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: oh the nerds with the coding and the computers and

779
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: all that. Uh, it's not so much that way anymore now, um,

780
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: but you know there's something to be said about that presentation.

781
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: So so Harry, how could that change that? How could

782
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: I could make y'all cool man? How cannot make y'all

783
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, the life of the party all y'all life

784
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: of the part. I just don't see it, Hadds. Yeah,

785
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think that that piece. It's

786
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of that is happening. But you

787
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: know that people don't know what they do, and I

788
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: think I think a lot of what Harold and I

789
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: are trying to do is to at least get get

790
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: more exposure to to this space, especially to two kids

791
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: at a young age, so they so they grow up

792
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: with it instead of trying to learn it in college

793
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, I have an app idea, but I

794
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: have no way of building it. Let me let me

795
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: try to take classes to to be able to do stuff.

796
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: Understanding it at a base level, just like we understand

797
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: English at a base level is what we what we

798
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: need to have, especially for for our community, because no,

799
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: we we we clearly drive a lot of a lot

800
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: of progress on the on the pop culture stage, just

801
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: in in society in general, and just being able to

802
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: further establish ourselves in an area that we don't have

803
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: to go outside of the community to get stuff done.

804
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: That would just make make things kyrocket even more. We'll

805
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with

806
00:46:53,160 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass

807
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: with Rashan McDonald. Well, you know, it's really really are

808
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: very serious I talked about because marketing and Brandon is

809
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: what I do. Both of you guys are good looking guys.

810
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: I could actually interview guys individually because you're both were

811
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: very articulate, very got something to say. As they say,

812
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, y'all, not one more answer, guys, you know,

813
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: especially Harold, he lived to talk. Erica talk that he

814
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: might like he might drift off a little bit, but

815
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: Harold can talk, okay, y'all, and uh but you know

816
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: so so when I look at y'all, you know we

817
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: have Venus and Serena Williams. You know they were two

818
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: megastars and tennis and they're leaning on to each other

819
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: for success. They have somebody to turn to in a

820
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: very world that stereotype black people. You know, they went

821
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: into environments that said, Okay, you here, but we're only

822
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: accepting you because of your talents as an athlete. And

823
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: you guys are walking into an environment that's very stereotype driven,

824
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, and some people people are really say you're

825
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: not supposed to be there, or if you're there, they

826
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: don't expect you to be able to deliver the good God,

827
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: how do you deal with that? And is it because

828
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: is there a success? A lot of your success tied

829
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: of the fact that you are siblings? Well, I mean

830
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: the so the first thing I'll say is the one

831
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: thing that I like about this field. It's a lot

832
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: of it is merit based, Right can you do it

833
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: or can you not do it? And if you can

834
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: do it, and a team will accept you with open

835
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: arms because you're able to solve a problem that they

836
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: need solved. Right. So Um, that's that's what kind of

837
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: driven a lot of Harold and eyes Um work ethic

838
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, let's let's figure out how to

839
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: learn this stuff because we can just walk in and

840
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: instantly contribute and and we'll be we'll get the respect

841
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: that we need. Yeah. And and also you know, but

842
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: I heard Harold and how though you know what I'm saying,

843
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: that's something that's sibling, that ability to reach back and

844
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: look at somebody who had your act or be able

845
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: to communicate. Do you see what I see? Do you

846
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: know what they're talking and being able to turn to

847
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: somebody that can go, hey man, let's go, let's go

848
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: get this straight. Let's show them what we can do.

849
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know, you know what I'm

850
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: saying because I heard him say, Harold and I and

851
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: that's why I was just talking about Venus Serenia, and

852
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: Venus and Serena had each other's back when people told

853
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: them they couldn't do it. And you know, I know

854
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: you say the word married bass. They were, they were

855
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: number one and two in the world. They in fact,

856
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: reached the finals of Grand Slam, all four ground slams

857
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: in one year. They weren't final and they were saying

858
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: that they are going to ruin tenants because they are

859
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: too dominant. So every people, everybody always has an excuse

860
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: and so and I'm not saying there's no excuse in there.

861
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: But what always frustrates me is that you know, when

862
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: you're a minority, the rules change. You know, the rules

863
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: started sliding, and the acceptability and the credibility and your

864
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: accomplishments can be watered down. That's what annoys me. And

865
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: so when I when I had an opportunity to interview

866
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: you guys, I I jumped at it because you're the You're,

867
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: You're the future stars, You're you, You're, You're the space

868
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: at that, You're the you. You know you You're out

869
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: today's hidden figures that need to be moved to the

870
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: front of the line. Because when you were talking to

871
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: because I have been fortunate to see a version and

872
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: live a version of the last three years of what

873
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: you guys are doing, and I'm stunned. I was actually

874
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: stunned when this guy was sitting next to me on

875
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: my phone, next to me on my front porch, and

876
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: I knew he was in London, and so a lot

877
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: of people can't wrap their head around there. Harold, how

878
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: does that work for you guys being siblings? Uh, well,

879
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: you know it's funny that you bring up being since

880
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: Serena and then you know that that movie King Richard

881
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: just came out. Uh. And you know it starts with

882
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: the parents, right. The parents kind of set us up,

883
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: um and and gave us these opportunities. But we were

884
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: always really competitive. Um. I know a lot of siblings

885
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: really butt heads a lot, um and he did just

886
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: in a competitive way. We'd be playing video games and

887
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: getting into it who's winning, and you know, somebody would

888
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: start winning for a week, then that other one is

889
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna go go in the lab, you know, try to

890
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: get better. And you know, so we kept elevating each

891
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: other through our competition. Uh. And then you know, it

892
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: was much easier for me because Hans was, you know,

893
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: the prototype. I got to watch him. It's like watching

894
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: myself two years ahead. Um. He would go through things

895
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: and go to no high school, college, the process, like

896
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: all of those different things. Um. You know, he went

897
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: through and I was always right there and I could

898
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: sort of see what was going on and I could

899
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: sort of follow in those footsteps, and I can get

900
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: through much easier because it always much easier to do

901
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: something the second time than it is the first time. UM.

902
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: And so but we we also worked well together, like

903
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: things that I'm good at, he's better at, and things

904
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: that he's good at, I'm better at. And we rather

905
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: than kind of diverse aging, we kind of use that

906
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: uh to to help elevate each other and and bring

907
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: that uh you know into the places that we work.

908
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: You know. It just people always take a liking to us.

909
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: We're always together, and we're always trying to just produce

910
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: the best product, trying to do the best at whatever

911
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: it is that we're doing. UM. But a lot of

912
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: people don't understand, you know, going back to what you

913
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: were saying that, you know, they don't understand how great

914
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: we have to be. And I say we as in

915
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, people of color, especially in industries like these,

916
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: like you have to be great every day just to

917
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: get uh you know, just to get the credibility that

918
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: people get for you know, being regular. Um. And and

919
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: that pushes us a lot too, because one, when we

920
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: run into issues, we we kind of know how we

921
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: have to prepare that next generation. We think that's really important. UM.

922
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: But also you know, we're able to see things from

923
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: multiple different perspectives. Uh. And you know, we have friends

924
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: in the industry, people of color, and we've had we've

925
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: all had these discussions and we can see what they're

926
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: dealing with, and they see what we're dealing with, and

927
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: even people we work with, UM, and so we know

928
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: how how important diversity is and we try to foster

929
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: a work environment where you know that isn't the case. UM.

930
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: So when you have a person of color at a

931
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: company that's a CEO and you have you know, people

932
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: all throughout the structure, UM, because getting getting people of

933
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: color into these companies the one thing. But how far

934
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: up do they go? UM? And so that that's been

935
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: a mission of ours and we've had the full support

936
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: of you know, our CEO or board UM, and they

937
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: give us an opportunity to just do what we do,

938
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: but also too to help bring others up as well. UH.

939
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: And so you know that's that's constantly the mission, UM,

940
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: is to to kind of expose that. And when people

941
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: see us as a team, UM, you know one, you know,

942
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: they are surprised that brothers can work so well together,

943
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: but also it's just another person that made it right,

944
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 1: that that's doing what it is that we do UM.

945
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: And we can spread our wings further that way rather

946
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: than trying to hold each other back. Wow, I'm talking

947
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: to Harold and the halls. They're the like I want

948
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: to the two dominant voices in the augmented world and

949
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: also the virtual reality world. Hey guys, you know, I

950
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: just want to say, man, this this interview is a

951
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: It's a good interview for me, but it's I got

952
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: to bring you all back individually because of the fact

953
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: that your stories are just so uniquely as the pairing

954
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: of you guys being siblings, because you're during these are different,

955
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: like I said, two years separate you. But it also

956
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: tells a different tale of how you approach this whole world,

957
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: you know. But the but the joining, the hip thing,

958
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: that sibling thing is powerful, man, and don't let nobody

959
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: break it. But more importantly, I'm just happy you guys

960
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: took the time to come on Money Making Conversation Masterclass

961
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: because what y'all doing is something that I have I've

962
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: lived all my life. Sometimes when I tell people have

963
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: a math if I tell people got a math degree

964
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: in the day, they go, WHOA. So I know what

965
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: I've accomplished in my past still carries a lot of

966
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: weight forty years later. And so, and with that being said,

967
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: you guys are in the middle of it. My daughter,

968
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: she's her degree is gonna be in game design. So

969
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get to watch her venture into

970
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: your world and also get her to hopefully become a

971
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: star in your world because she know, Daddy, don't, don't,

972
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: don't play the stereotype game. You know. I'm I'm I'm

973
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: gonna break through the glass ceiling type guy. I do

974
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: it through diplomacy, I do, but I do it through

975
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: also being organized and have a plan of action. You

976
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: guys have done it with your plan of action. I

977
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: want to thank you all for coming on money making conversation.

978
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: But y'all incredible by the way. Yeah, and you know

979
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: it's it's cool as you say that too. Um, there's

980
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people that we've we've dealt with. UM.

981
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: You mentioned Kipper and Limitless at the beginning of the show,

982
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what started to drive this mission

983
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: even more. UM. You know, we're showing some We got

984
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: called in to show some kids some virtual reality stuff,

985
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: some of the games that we're working on. And we

986
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: walked in and we see a team of kids, um,

987
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, in this Limitless program and they're all coding

988
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: and I'm talking like second grade, third grade, fourth grade, right,

989
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: and their coding and you know, we're learning about these

990
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: kids and we were more amazed by them than they

991
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: were by us. We're watching these kids, they've been entering

992
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: these robotics competitions, getting better every year. Uh, and they're

993
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: using this the Kipper curriculum. Um, and we're like, yo,

994
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: how do we get this to more people? You know?

995
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: So uh, we started working with them to uh, to

996
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: build this robot simulator that can teach a kid how

997
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: to code without being in a classroom. Right. We know

998
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: kids are playing video games. You say, your daughters in

999
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: the game design she I'm pretty sure she she plays

1000
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: video game that's involved. Right. Then we're like, how can

1001
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: we pulling this curriculum, you know, put the medicine in

1002
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: with the candy and teach them how to code with

1003
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: something that they want to do anyway, So now we're

1004
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: not chasing them to go into a classroom. You know,

1005
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: we're saying, hey, just play this game, you know, play

1006
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: with your friends, play online, go through uh these missions,

1007
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: go through these chat just go through the story, and

1008
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: before they know it, they're solving problems coding. Right. And

1009
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: so this this robot simulator that that we're working on

1010
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: that we're raising money for we think and it's specifically targeted.

1011
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: Uh you know two people of color, inner city kids. Uh,

1012
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, make reducing that barrier to entry so that

1013
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: people understand, like, hey, this is gonna be like a

1014
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: second language to them, just like social media, Like kids

1015
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: growing up with social media and they can run circles around, um,

1016
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: the older people trying to be on something media. Right. Um.

1017
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: So if we can get this simulator into these schools,

1018
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: into people's hands and have kids go through this curriculum

1019
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: without necessarily realizing they're going through a tried and true curriculum,

1020
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: and we feel like we can start to to plant

1021
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: the seeds uh in our communities and and kids are

1022
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: gonna you know, grow these skills and and really uh

1023
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: start to increase our our power in this industry, our

1024
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: presence in this industry. So you know, if we can

1025
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: get more kids in tech, more kids in video games,

1026
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: and we'll be able to tell our stories and uh

1027
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: create the tech of the future. So you know when

1028
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: we still read about oh, you watch this stream or

1029
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: you watch certain things and you do certain things like

1030
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: oh that was created co created by a black person,

1031
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: or that was created by this person, Like you said,

1032
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: the hidden figures um and yeah, are you talk? Man?

1033
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: You talk for three straight minutes. I just want that said.

1034
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: I told he could talk, boy, and you're about to

1035
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: go on. He about to go on. But I appreciate

1036
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: that about that. I gotta bring you all by separately.

1037
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: I want you to. I want you to to. You

1038
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: wanted to say a couple of things because Harold that

1039
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: motivation and inspiration come to chase the man. You know,

1040
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm you know I would. I would.

1041
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: I graduated high school in nineteen seventy six, Okay, and

1042
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: so it took me seven years to graduate from college

1043
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: because I didn't know what I wanted to do. When

1044
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: I look at my daughter in game design, she doesn't

1045
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: listen to the music I listened to. She can't care

1046
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: less about dancing. She can look at listen about being social.

1047
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: She's focused. You don't care less about the walking around

1048
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: in Taylor clothes. You know what I'm saying. She her

1049
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: phone works, she got she got uh, you know, a surface,

1050
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: She got an iPhone, she got a laptop that she

1051
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: does all her game design. And she has a MacBook,

1052
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: so she got all the technus. So she's happy and

1053
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: she can beat because she she can do and edit

1054
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: and everything. But the number one thing that when you

1055
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: look at these things hans you know, when you when

1056
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: you realize that you you've been you stepped out into

1057
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: a world that was so different than what was expected

1058
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: of you. What makes you smile? I mean just just

1059
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: being able to enjoy, like what what? What's your going like?

1060
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 1: At the at the core of all of this right now,

1061
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: it's like I grew up playing games. I love I

1062
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: love playing games. Uh, It's it's an escape, but it's

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01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: also an avenue for problems like learning, problem solving, improving yourself,

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Speaker 1: keeping your mind sharp. And I think it's getting to

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Speaker 1: the point where more and more of the mainstream is

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Speaker 1: realizing the benefits of that kind of interaction and the

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Speaker 1: fact that we can use that as a as a

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Speaker 1: way to teach people at a younger age that there's

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Speaker 1: value in this and that it can be valuable from

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Speaker 1: a fund standpoint, and it can be valuable from a

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Speaker 1: career standpoint. Being able to go to work and enjoy

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Speaker 1: what you do and be able to share that with

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Speaker 1: people on a on a grand scale, it's just exciting

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Speaker 1: and you know, just being able to take the work

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Speaker 1: hat off and then still enjoy enjoy that that piece

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Speaker 1: from a from a just I'm just relaxing and just

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Speaker 1: want to I want to escape for a bit, right.

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Speaker 1: It's great, you know, guys, I'm talking to um. If

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Speaker 1: you want to put a sports comparison, talking to the

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and Lebron of what they do, just put

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Speaker 1: put the right hats on it and see as I

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Speaker 1: wrap up to you. I hate when people when I

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Speaker 1: meet people like these two guys, they said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we we were just playing video game. I'm just doing

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Speaker 1: what I love. I'm gonna telling you something. I could

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Speaker 1: play video game, but it reached the point where my

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Speaker 1: skills set love's gonna keep it going. I just had

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Speaker 1: the skill set and I didn't have it. So I

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Speaker 1: always have to push people back like YouTube and let

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Speaker 1: y'all know how brilliant you'll are and how different y'all are.

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Speaker 1: Y'all can be in all because at the at a

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Speaker 1: young age, you're seeing what if I could have done

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Speaker 1: that at their age, what I could have been at

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Speaker 1: my age. That's the all part that you are. But

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Speaker 1: what's making it possible is that they can see y'all.

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Speaker 1: Y'all y'all in results now. So I didn't have an

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Speaker 1: end results like you guys. When I was playing game.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a Haunt and a Harold to go. Man,

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Speaker 1: I could be like those two guys. Look at them, Wow,

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Speaker 1: they look just like me. So I know that when

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Speaker 1: I say that, I don't say that in a in

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Speaker 1: a joking manner. I'm just labeling y'all correctly. Man, When

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Speaker 1: you stand out in the field, that separates you. When

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Speaker 1: I look at that, I look at Lebron on that

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Speaker 1: Tonal commercial. Brother thirty years my body didn't look like that.

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Speaker 1: The thirty eight come on that, y'all body probably don't

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Speaker 1: look like that now. Okay, they're look gonna be weird.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know Jordan, you know he

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Speaker 1: still has the most popular shoe basketball shot out there,

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. He's almost sixty and so being relevant and

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Speaker 1: h I just want to tell you, man, do not

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Speaker 1: undersell y'all brilliance. Man. You guys can share that little

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Speaker 1: corny story that we're just doing what we love. Now,

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Speaker 1: y'all have beyond doing what you love because love. I

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Speaker 1: love to play video games, but it hit the I

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Speaker 1: hit a wall with my talent, just like I hit

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Speaker 1: a wall with my talents with physics and I had

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Speaker 1: to go to a different direction. God gave y'all a gift, man,

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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm I'm gonna stick with y'all. Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna standing communication with you guys to brother. I want

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Speaker 1: to be there when y'all just start breaking the next

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Speaker 1: ceiling of opportunity for people of color, my daughter, everybody,

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Speaker 1: because y'all the next stars, man, y'all, the next future.

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Speaker 1: You know, when y'all get fifty, man, you know, y'all, y'all, y'all,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have award shows with y'all with troothes with

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Speaker 1: y'all names on them. Okay, I appreciate it now hopefully,

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Speaker 1: hopefully you know, the people that are giving us those

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Speaker 1: awards are people that we get to get. Don't worry, brother,

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Speaker 1: don't don't work. I tell you. You know, you know

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Speaker 1: my life has been interested, man, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: had a birthday the other day, and you know, and

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Speaker 1: you know, people always text me, man, thank me saying

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Speaker 1: what I did for their lives, what they like, how

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Speaker 1: how I made a difference in there, and I was

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Speaker 1: just being rashawn. You know, just like I'm being rashawn

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Speaker 1: with you guys right now, I'm gonna tell you how

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Speaker 1: I think you take it however you want to take it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the truth. Stop acting like y'all

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Speaker 1: regular be the stars who y'all are. Y'all are doing stuff. Man,

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Speaker 1: I can only just admire. I can't. I can't even

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Speaker 1: copying here. I can pick up this phone, I can

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Speaker 1: dial it, but y'all can take this phone and do

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Speaker 1: something else with And I go, really, that's the same

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Speaker 1: phone I got. Wow. So I'm just telling you exercise

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Speaker 1: your brilliant and don't let it be under sold by anybody,

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Speaker 1: even in an interview. And it's it's the thing I do.

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Speaker 1: I call bragging, acknowledging your greatness. Continue to acknowledge your greatness, fellas,

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Speaker 1: because y'all are very very special. Thank if you coming

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Speaker 1: on Money Making Conversation master Class, appreciate you. You've been

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Speaker 1: listening to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Always

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Speaker 1: is a presentation of thirty fifteen Media Incorporated. You are

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Speaker 1: now tuned into the Money Making Conversations minute of Inspiration

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Speaker 1: with Rashan McDonald. Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald for Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversation with your daily Minute of Inspiration. This week, I

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Speaker 1: sat down with the host of First Take, stephen A's World,

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Speaker 1: and the new co host of ESPN NBA Countdown, stephen

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Speaker 1: A Smith. Stephen A emphasized the importance of not letting

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Speaker 1: self doubt halt your opportunities towards achieving your dreams. I

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Speaker 1: was actually reluctant and hesitant to write my home book

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Speaker 1: for a very, very long time. I literally said, although

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Speaker 1: I had a national television show that's been number one

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Speaker 1: in the morning for nine years in counting, I literally

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Speaker 1: was saying, why would anybody want to read a book

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Speaker 1: from me? And so many people came forward, like, what

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Speaker 1: the hell are you talking about? Was wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: Everybody needs to hear your story. Everybody needs to hear

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Speaker 1: what you endured, what you had to experience, what you

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Speaker 1: had to go through to get into this place that

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Speaker 1: you're here now. If you were to listen to this

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