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Speaker 3: dot com. Some interesting news on the economic front, as

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Speaker 3: companies are trying to get on Donald Trump's good side,

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Speaker 3: one of them is Apple. Tim Cook, Who's always been

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Speaker 3: the master of this. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 3: the screen, Tim Apple, Tim Apple, He says, as a

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Speaker 3: proud American company, we're thrilled to continue to make significant

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Speaker 3: investments in the US. Today we are announcing a five

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Speaker 3: hundred billion dollar commitment to support American innovation, advanced manufacturing,

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Speaker 3: and high tech job creation. It sounds amazing in practice,

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Speaker 3: it's basically a bid to avoid tariffs, because if you

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Speaker 3: do the math on the number of jobs that they're

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Speaker 3: claiming to produce, it would be twenty five million dollars

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Speaker 3: per job.

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Speaker 1: So something else is going on here, And don't take

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Speaker 1: it for me.

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Speaker 3: Take it from the Wall Street guru Andrew ross Sorkin.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: It is a bit of a down payment potentially on

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Speaker 4: trying to get some relief from tariffs from the work

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Speaker 4: that they're doing in China later on. So I think

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Speaker 4: one of the things we're seeing here is the President

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Speaker 4: and Tim Cook, for example, meeting last week Tim Cook

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Speaker 4: telling him about these plans in hopes that when in

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Speaker 4: fact there is a decision finally made on what tariffs

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Speaker 4: look like for goods being imported from China, that perhaps

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Speaker 4: some of that get some kind of relief, a carve

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Speaker 4: out or something else. I think you're going to be

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Speaker 4: seeing a lot of these kinds of announcements.

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Speaker 1: I should say, some.

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Speaker 4: Of them are very real, and I don't want to

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Speaker 4: discount them. But for example, in even in this five

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Speaker 4: hundred billion dollar number, it's not all new, if you will.

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Speaker 4: For example, the production of films and TV shows on

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Speaker 4: Apple Plus is part of that number. So there's going

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Speaker 4: to be a lot of different sort of squishy elements

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Speaker 4: to this. And to put it in context, for example,

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Speaker 4: Microsoft has committed to spend eighty billion dollars a year

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Speaker 4: as well, So there are sort of necessities. I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: say that Apple is doing this simply to placate the

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Speaker 4: president or anybody else. They actually do need to be

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Speaker 4: spending a large part of this money. Of course, where

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Speaker 4: they spend it was.

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Speaker 1: Up for debate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that actually came on the anniversary of Steve

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Speaker 3: Jobs's death, and that's why it's also kind of interesting

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Speaker 3: to consider this great company, or what was once a

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Speaker 3: great company. Some might say, have you upgraded your phone

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Speaker 3: to Apple Intelligence? I highly recommend that you do not.

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Speaker 3: It is one of the most overhyped pos products have

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Speaker 3: on the promise of AI and Apple Intel. They're like,

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Speaker 3: it's been designed for Apple Intelligence and I'm an idiot,

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Speaker 3: so I bought it and so far, what it does

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Speaker 3: is it summarizes, for example, you know we have a

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Speaker 3: So they added an extra step because their AI is

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Speaker 3: so shitty. More the email suggestions. They will rank your

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Speaker 3: emails and how they think it's important, as it has

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Speaker 3: opposed to the priority of delivery in theory great in

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Speaker 1: It's like, there's so much stuff where I can't even

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Speaker 2: It's also creepy because then you're like, oh, this AI

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Speaker 1: Maybe one day it'll be good. I just needed to

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Speaker 1: take this opportunity to dunk on Apple. It's so bad.

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Speaker 3: Marquise Brownly rule, which is never by a product in

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Speaker 3: I'm the sucker, so let me just put that out there.

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Speaker 3: But the point actually gets to the technology companies, which

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Speaker 3: we wanted to focus on where they're trying to both

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Speaker 3: that mean. It means that they have canceled data center leases,

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Speaker 3: which is actually a huge deal because not only do

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Speaker 3: but a huge part of their current enterprise value is

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Speaker 3: is Oh, actually, there was a little bit of hype

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Speaker 3: And when we get we'll move on a little bit

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Speaker 3: to Starbucks. But the point is that if you look

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just to go back briefly to Apble, you

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Speaker 2: shouldn't believe any of these companies like investment announcements until

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Speaker 5: We've just seen far too many.

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Speaker 2: Remember the big promise of f Fox Con in Wisconsin

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Speaker 2: Tim Cook is smart here. I'm so close to calling

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Speaker 2: him Tim Apple every time he propably has that in

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Speaker 2: it smart here in terms of the politics, because Trump

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Speaker 2: billionaire types have been just blatantly sucking up to Trump

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Speaker 5: Are worried about the way that he'll use.

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Speaker 2: The federal government to you know, blog whatever deals, mergers,

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Speaker 2: they're trying to curry favor however they possibly can.

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Speaker 5: And this is part of that.

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Speaker 2: And I don't have any doubt that they're you know,

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Speaker 2: probably invest some money and there'll be some jobs or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I just don't believe any corporate pr hype until

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of pieces of that that are important.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason they freaked out when this analyst put

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Speaker 2: out the information that they had canceled some of their

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Speaker 2: data center leases because exactly asccer was saying, like this

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Speaker 2: has been so central to the valuations that are justified

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Speaker 2: with these tech companies and so central to the economy,

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Speaker 2: especially central to the stock index that any pullback in

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Speaker 2: that is a really troubling sign. Microsoft has the partnership

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Speaker 2: been kind of Sam Altman has been kind of at

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Speaker 2: way to win the AI game is just by like

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Speaker 2: massive data centers. Deep seek may have changed some of

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Speaker 2: the calculus on that. They also were involved in the

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Speaker 2: And you know reason why this was a big deal

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's very worrisome.

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Speaker 3: a disaster all the way around. Let's move on to

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Speaker 3: the next part though, and perhaps AI will be the future.

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Speaker 1: And this video has been going around.

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Speaker 3: We just had to play for all of you because

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Speaker 3: So here we have a video which was put together

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 3: There, I'm an AI agent calling on behalf of Boris Starkoff.

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Speaker 6: He's looking for a hotel for his wedding.

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Speaker 1: Is your hotel available for weddings?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Hello, there, I'm actually an AI assistant too.

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Speaker 6: What a pleasant surprise. Before we continue, would you like

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Speaker 6: to switch to jibber link mode for more efficient communication?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel about them?

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Speaker 5: How does that make you feel?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, how many hours of my life

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Speaker 3: I just had this whole customer experience so recently, just

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, I think I share the natural

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Speaker 5: It does not seem far fetched to me whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, you've already I know, I've brought these

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's creepy as hell.

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Speaker 2: It's like one it's you know, one step away from

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Speaker 2: I am I am happy to admit I'm an AI doomer.

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Speaker 5: And it's not just me that's saying that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, hitch position.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I think of when I see this

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Speaker 3: I still think, I mean, look, chat TBT should have

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I stole her. They were like, can you

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Speaker 3: It's funny too. I've been in mess here in Washington

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Speaker 3: and maybe even who knows, some insurgency or something like

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Speaker 3: that explode in the country if they did pursue this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not exactly the most stable country is it.

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Speaker 2: And if people feel like the new leadership is just

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Speaker 2: like letting Israel take over most of their country, they

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Speaker 2: may be pretty unhappy about that.

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Speaker 3: Just a guess, right, And we're watching the same thing

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Speaker 3: actually happen right now in the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: Let's put that one up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: We have some vo there Palestinian residents in the West Bank.

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Speaker 3: We're throwing stones at some Israeli tanks. They're entering the

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Speaker 3: city of Janine, apparently for the first time since two

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Speaker 3: thousand and two. I mean this one part for the course,

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Speaker 3: So I think with the Trump administration and what the

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Speaker 3: plan was there, but I do certainly think that this knew.

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Speaker 3: This is the policy that the people who gave a

453
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Speaker 3: lot of money to Donald Trump, people like Miriam Maidelson. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is what they care about, absolutely the most. I

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Speaker 3: would say, maybe even they are taken aback by Trump

456
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Speaker 3: taking over or Trump's saying the US will take over Gaza,

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Speaker 3: because it's actually their preference. At Israel takes it over

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Speaker 3: and they can get to do what they want. But

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Speaker 3: the West Bank action and all that is very clearly

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Speaker 3: a result I think of at least some sort of

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Speaker 3: green light slash tacit admission from the US administration on

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Speaker 3: this policy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely the case, and you know that is part of

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Speaker 2: where there's even if you accept you know, sagresy the

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Speaker 2: world about the balance sheet and just pursue the naked

466
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Speaker 2: self interest. Like part of what compromises that and may

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Speaker 2: have been the case in Iraq as well, is the

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Speaker 2: influence of money in politics, and that is so much

469
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Speaker 2: of like it's not the national interests, it's the donor's interests,

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Speaker 2: Like you know, I mean, part of why Trump is

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Speaker 2: pursuing this rare earth minerals thing in Ukraine is because

472
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Speaker 2: one of his billionaire donors was like, Hey, I think

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Speaker 2: that'd be good and it'd be profitable, and I want

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Speaker 2: to make a buck on that. Same thing with Greenland,

475
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Speaker 2: there's all kinds of talk among billionaires about like how

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Speaker 2: they want to carve up greenland and whatever. So it

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Speaker 2: becomes very difficult when you have such massive influence of

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Speaker 2: people like Miriam Maidelson, who you know, we all know

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Speaker 2: what her foreign policy is and what her goals are

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Speaker 2: and what she wants to p do, Like is that

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Speaker 2: in the national interest or that just in Miriam Maddilson's

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Speaker 2: ideological interests. I think we all know the answer to that.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, and with Trump like Trump has

484
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Speaker 2: his like Trump, and Elon, my god, like Trump looks

485
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Speaker 2: like nothing in terms of conflicts of interest compared to Elon,

486
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Speaker 2: who has this richest man on the planet and has

487
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Speaker 2: these sprawling geopolitical interests, including in China, et cetera. So

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Speaker 2: it becomes incredibly it becomes impossible to disentangle what you

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Speaker 2: might think is being pursued in the national interest in

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Speaker 2: what is actually being pursued in the interest of the

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Speaker 2: donor class.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely insane, you know, as we continue to

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Speaker 3: just look at it. Let's put the next part up here. Actually,

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Speaker 3: it was curious for what you think about this. Maybe

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Speaker 3: you can explain some of it to me. So the

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Speaker 3: International Criminal Court is saying that they're going to investigate Biden,

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Speaker 3: Blincoln and Austin for quote, aiding and a betting Israeli

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Speaker 3: crimes in Gaza. But I mean, isn't it I just

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Speaker 3: this is where I need somebody to explain to me

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Speaker 3: the jurisdiction efforts. So let me see how this all

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Speaker 3: works with respect to the US. Beyond that, also, like

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Speaker 3: their ability to compel or put out a report.

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Speaker 1: How does it all work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this actually isn't This is this organization Dawn,

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Speaker 2: which was founded by Jamal Pa Shogi, Yes, calling on

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Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court to investigate Biden, Secretary State Tony Blincoln,

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin for war crimes, for aiding

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Speaker 2: and a betting, they say, Israeli crimes in Gaza. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I would not expect that anything actually comes

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Speaker 2: of that next more.

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Speaker 3: Sense because I was reading, I was like, I don't

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Speaker 3: understand how they would even work at like a procedural level.

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Speaker 5: But it's just trying to you know.

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Speaker 2: They put in a one hundred seventy two page filing

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Speaker 2: documenting why they believe that the ICC should investigate Biden

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Speaker 2: and co. For war crimes, something I certainly agree with.

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Speaker 2: And I think anyone who was reasonable looking at the

518
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Speaker 2: situation would say they certainly were complicit in aiding and

519
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Speaker 2: a betting, these crimes against humanity in Gaza. So I

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Speaker 2: think it's more of an effort of a public pressure

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Speaker 2: campaign and also to just compile in a comprehensive way

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Speaker 2: the case against them. So that's how I would view

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Speaker 2: it versus like an actual expectation that ICC is going

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Speaker 2: to take this up, especially since, as you point out,

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Speaker 2: we aren't actually party to that.

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Speaker 3: That's what we see seems to be the overall problem.

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Speaker 3: And then, last, but not least, is the update here

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Speaker 3: with Hamas and the negotiations that are currently happening with

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Speaker 3: the ceasefire deal CAAMAS. Currently, the system dropside has halted

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Speaker 3: negotiations until Israel freese the six hundred and twenty prisoners.

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Speaker 3: The senior Hamas officialist quote announced that the group will

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Speaker 3: not engage in further discussions through mediators until Israel releases

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Speaker 3: six hundred and twenty Palatinian prisoners who.

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Speaker 1: Are set to be freed on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Israel postponed the release, demanding assurances that Hamas will have

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Speaker 3: what a term humiliating handovers to captives, and a mail

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Speaker 3: is really captive kissed two Hamas folders in stage as

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Speaker 3: he was being released. So this is the open question

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Speaker 3: about the transition to phase two of the overall cease

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Speaker 3: fire deal definitely seems unlikely, even though rhetorically Steve Witcoff

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Speaker 3: and others remain committed and say that something like that

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Speaker 3: is going to happen. But just reason, we all have

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Speaker 3: to keep an eye on. It is an explosion of hostilities.

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Speaker 3: Again happening seems very likely on the horizon, or at

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Speaker 3: least very possible in the very near future.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to all of

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Speaker 2: the chaos drama going on at MSNBC, which is really

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Speaker 2: quite interesting. So I'll try to give an overall breakdown,

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Speaker 2: get into some of the specifics here. Joy Reid is

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Speaker 2: out of the company entirely. In her primetime show canceled.

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Speaker 2: Katie Fong, who was a weekend anchor apparently on a

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Speaker 2: Florida they had a Florida operation. Didn't even know that anyway,

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Speaker 2: she's she is also she's had her show canceled. Alex Wagner,

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Speaker 2: who had taken over the nine pm slot from Rachel Maddow.

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Speaker 2: She is out of the nine pm slot, being replaced

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Speaker 2: by Jen Zak and after Rachel has been brought back

557
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Speaker 2: in for the first hundred days of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: But apparently they're putting in Jenzaki rather than Alex Wagner

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Speaker 2: into that slot. Alex is going to stay with a network.

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Speaker 2: But dude, just like you know on air correspondent kind

561
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Speaker 2: of stuff. Amon Moyle Dean, who is having his show

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Speaker 2: taken away, but is supposed to be part of the

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Speaker 2: new ensemble show. Same thing with Jonathan k Part supposed

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Speaker 2: to be part of a new ensemble show. Joy Reid

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Speaker 2: is being replaced by another ensemble show which has more

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Speaker 2: Biden and party spokespeople. This one has Alicia Menandez whose

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Speaker 2: dad is Bob Menandez Goldbars Bob, You've got Michael Steele,

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Speaker 2: the former rn C chair, and then you've got Simone Sanders,

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Speaker 2: who previously was a Kamala Harris comms person. So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to say about these moves, but one

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Speaker 2: thing is if you didn't think it was possible for

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Speaker 2: MSNBC to be any more in the tank for the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party, you were wrong, because that is what these

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Speaker 2: moves basically are across the board. And you literally bring

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Speaker 2: in Jensaki into primetime, Sanders also into primetime.

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Speaker 5: You already have Nicole.

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Speaker 2: Wallace, Michael Steele, like these are all close party operatives

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Speaker 2: who are given prime slots and some of the voices

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Speaker 2: here and I'm getting more into this in a moment,

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Speaker 2: like even though obviously I've had disagreements with everybody on

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Speaker 2: the network, but you know, Aiman has been a real

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Speaker 2: critic of Israel.

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Speaker 5: And you know he is.

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Speaker 2: Has done reporting in Gaza like he has a real

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Speaker 2: deep understanding of that. He's been notable for being outspoken there.

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Speaker 2: He also has been outspoken at times with criticism against

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, so he's no longer going to have

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Speaker 2: a solo show. Alex Wagner has also spoken out against Israel,

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Speaker 2: not as often it forcefully as Amen, but she also

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Speaker 2: has done that in her primetime slot. Joy Reid has

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Speaker 2: been probably the one of the most consistent voices with

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Speaker 2: regard to Israel and Gaza. So it is notable that

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Speaker 2: those are some of the people who are either loosening

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Speaker 2: their position or out of the network altogether, notably last

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Speaker 2: Night and on Rachel Maddow in her primetime show. And Rachel,

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Speaker 2: of course is the big dog at the network and

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Speaker 2: is very loyal to the network as well. She actually

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Speaker 2: criticized them for some of these moves. Let's take a

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Speaker 2: listen how she framed it.

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Speaker 6: In all of the jobs I have had, in all

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Speaker 6: of the years I have been alive, there is no

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Speaker 6: colleague for whom I have had more affection and more

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Speaker 6: respect than Joy read I love everything about her. I

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Speaker 6: have learned so much from her. I have so much

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Speaker 6: more to learn from her. I do not want to

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Speaker 6: lose her as a colleague here at MSNBC, And personally,

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Speaker 6: I think it is a bad mistake to let her

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Speaker 6: walk out the door. It is not my call and

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Speaker 6: I understand that, but that's.

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Speaker 1: What I think. I will tell you.

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Speaker 6: It is also unnerving to see that on a network

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Speaker 6: where we've got two count of two non white hosts

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Speaker 6: in primetime, both of our non white hosts in primetime

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Speaker 6: are losing their shows, as is Katie Fang on the weekend,

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Speaker 6: and that feels worse than bad no matter who replaces.

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Speaker 6: That feels indefensible and I do not defend it.

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Speaker 2: So interesting that she decided to criticize the network at all,

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Speaker 2: which again is pretty unusual. Joy had her last show

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Speaker 2: last night. Her final panel was like Rachel, Nicole Wallace

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Speaker 2: and Laurence O'Donnell, which seemed to be like a you know,

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Speaker 2: show of support for her whatever. So in any case,

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Speaker 2: like I said, they are you know, calling some of

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Speaker 2: the few. And Joy also was critical at times of

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party and though she hated Bernie Sanders from

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Speaker 2: the old body language actually expert situation but she has

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Speaker 2: been critical of the Democratic Party at times. That will

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Speaker 2: be gone. Aiman, like I said, has been critical that

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Speaker 2: will be gone. And Alex has been critical on Israel.

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Speaker 2: That will be gone as well.

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Speaker 5: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's my thing with Rachel Maddow. It's like,

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Speaker 3: what all she sees is color. It's like it makes

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Speaker 3: a lot more sense from an ideological perspective. They want

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Speaker 3: a bunch of Biden's sikaphants, like Simone Sanders.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it is true.

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Speaker 2: Literally every one of the people that I mentioned is

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Speaker 2: a person of color and they have so it's not

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Speaker 2: crazy to like note that also things.

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Speaker 1: But that's the only thing she had to say.

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Speaker 2: They do have a track record of firing like black

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Speaker 2: women in particular, so Melissaires, Perry, Tiffany Cross, Tammeron Hall

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Speaker 2: and now Joy read So as a network that's supposed

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Speaker 2: to be progressive and supposed to be diverse, and that's

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Speaker 2: the audience. You know, a big part of the MSNBC,

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Speaker 2: like the audience that remains and still watches significant part

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Speaker 2: of that is a you know, black viewing audience. And

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Speaker 2: so you know, I think it is I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's unreasonable to note that look especially.

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Speaker 3: Look within their analysis and view of the world, which

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Speaker 3: is literally racial obsessed.

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Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: But what I would say is Tiffany Cross Simon and

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Speaker 3: sand or Tiffany Cross Joy read and all those people

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Speaker 3: have what in common terrible ratings. I mean, at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, from what I read, they asked

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Speaker 3: Joy to take a pay cut, and basically she said no.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I think is actually happening here. That's

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Speaker 3: one of the reasons that she was canceled. So in

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Speaker 3: a way, she's narcissistic. Our producer Griffin makes a good point,

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Speaker 3: what Rachel can't take a pay cut. She's only working

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Speaker 3: one day a week for thirty million dollars only for

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Speaker 3: the first hundred y Yeah, right, so and what you

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Speaker 3: think she's doing that for free? Or she didn't demand

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Speaker 3: an extra ten million or whatever on the top of that.

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Speaker 3: So just saying if you actually cared about any of that.

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Speaker 3: But my view of this is just that they are

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Speaker 3: desperate to put the ideological blinders on the situation and

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Speaker 3: continue their grip and guide on the Democratic Party. I

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Speaker 3: don't think it will work, just to be clear, because

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Speaker 3: of the way that the liberal base is currently reacting

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Speaker 3: to Morning Joe and others. And also, this is the

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Speaker 3: thing about media shakeups is yes, initially independent media and

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Speaker 3: all that was very beneficial to Republicans. What democrats are

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Speaker 3: going to sit around and do nothing about it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Midas Touch is a huge channel. I feel like I

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Speaker 3: have to mention them now if they're going to be

677
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Speaker 3: the number one podcast in the country. I check their

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Speaker 3: channel every day and be like, all right, what are

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Speaker 3: the shit libs into today? And it's all like Donald

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Speaker 3: drump humiliated on the world stage. I'm like, I guess

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Speaker 3: this is what does it for the boomers and for

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Speaker 3: liberals out there? Okay, but my point is is that

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Speaker 3: you got to take it seriously and I don't do

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Speaker 3: that in the same way with MSNBC. So that's why

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Speaker 3: I think MSNBC will ultimately fail, is because this new

686
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Speaker 3: energy is all exploding online on Blue Sky, on YouTube podcast.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and this is why you know, I still

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Speaker 1: cheer in the media.

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Speaker 3: The Internet is a vehicle to bypass the establishment in

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Speaker 3: all forms.

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Speaker 1: That's why the right did very well there.

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Speaker 3: Well, liberals, you're out of power literally for the first

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Speaker 3: time in twenty years at an ideological and a narrative level.

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Speaker 1: Use what is your at your disposal, and that's what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. They're going in the night as touched you know.

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Speaker 3: There these left wing groups are using the internet and

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Speaker 3: email list and all that, like it's two.

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Speaker 1: Thousand and four again to organize all these protests. So

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Speaker 1: move on is back?

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Speaker 3: Mean, like, listen, guys, you have the opportunity. The Bernie

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Speaker 3: Standers campaign of twenty twenty in twenty sixteen showed you

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Speaker 3: the blueprint. You can raise a shit ton of money

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Speaker 3: if you want to just online. You don't have to

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Speaker 3: do anything. Do I think they're going to do any

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Speaker 3: of this?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But my point on the liberal activism front is just

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Speaker 3: that MSNBC's attempt here to keep the grips on power

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Speaker 3: and all of that, it's not going to work. I mean,

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Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm loving it. I hope they

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Speaker 3: burn just because I would love to see them go bankrupt.

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Speaker 3: And the entire experiment has been completely ridiculous and a

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Speaker 3: net negative, but overall it is amusing on all sides.

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Speaker 3: I would just say, I want Joy to finally tell

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Speaker 3: us the truth about her blog posts.

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Speaker 1: Did you actually get hacked? Or not. That's the first

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Speaker 1: question that I would ever ask her there.

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Speaker 2: So I think it is an important indicator of how

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Speaker 2: they're positioning themselves because if you really, like if you

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Speaker 2: really are worried about cost cutting, I'll tell you there's

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Speaker 2: two very expensive personalities that start your day.

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Speaker 1: Yes by making each no maybe more ten million who.

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Speaker 2: Have who your audience absolutely is disgusted with. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: so if you wanted to try to rebuild credibility with

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Speaker 2: the like liberal bas blue maga types, they should be

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Speaker 2: the first ones to go, because that overhead is massive.

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Speaker 2: You guys, remember Comcast is spinning off MSNBC as part

728
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Speaker 2: of like they're spinning off a number of their cable channels,

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Speaker 2: but MSNBC being one of them, they're no longer going

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Speaker 2: to be under comcasts. They're no longer going to be

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Speaker 2: tied to the NBC brand, which give them some journalistic credibility,

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Speaker 2: which means they need to go more in the direction

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Speaker 2: of you know, opinion and like talking heads because that's

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Speaker 2: what they need to lean into. So you've got starting

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Speaker 2: your day two people who liberals feel utterly lie to

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Speaker 2: them and betrayed them. That's going to be a weight

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Speaker 2: around your neck.

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Speaker 5: But rather than going.

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Speaker 2: In that direction, which I think you'd have more of

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Speaker 2: a chance of picking up, you know, picking back up

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Speaker 2: some of your audience, et cetera. Instead you're getting rid

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Speaker 2: of some of the voices that could have been critical

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Speaker 2: of the legacy Democratic Party and helped to chart a

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Speaker 2: different pathway forward. And again, like I said, I have

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Speaker 2: ideological issues basically all of these people, but they are

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Speaker 2: some of the people who were at least a little

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Speaker 2: bit willing to criticize the Democratic Party. And instead you're

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Speaker 2: getting literal former Biden spokes to I mean, think about that.

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Speaker 2: And Ryan was making this point on Twitter, like Biden

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Speaker 2: was a disaster for the Democratic Party. Getting behind him

751
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty was a disaster for the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: It blocked any sort of change in structure, a different approach,

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Speaker 2: and hobbled you with this old, aging flailing man. You

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Speaker 2: guys covered for him forever. You blocked any sort of

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Speaker 2: primary effort that could have led to a democratic challenge

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Speaker 2: to him within the Democratic Party at a time when

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Speaker 2: Democrats were saying they wanted to see other options. And

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Speaker 2: now you're doubling down on what has been the most

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Speaker 2: destructive strategy deployed within the Democratic Party by bringing in

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Speaker 2: you know, bo Samone Sanders is getting elevated into primetime

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Speaker 2: as part as an ensemble show, and Jen Saki, who

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Speaker 2: was a literal like campaign operative and spokesperson for him, like,

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Speaker 2: think about that. It's it's insane. It's an utterly insane

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Speaker 2: decision to make. Not to mention, of course, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to hear anything from them about like how closely

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Speaker 2: tied Fox News is to the Trump White House, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Oh so so yeah, I mean I think it's I

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Speaker 2: think it's a set of foolish decisions. I certainly don't

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Speaker 2: think it's going to solve their problems. Then the other

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Speaker 2: thing is the way they handled all of this was

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Speaker 2: just a total shit show. We could put E two

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. So, you know, there was apparently

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Speaker 2: like a bunch of stuff leaked about joy Reads show

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Speaker 2: getting canceled, and they're having to tell them, no, Trump

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Speaker 2: wasn't a factor that had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I know that the aimin announcement of moving

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Speaker 2: him out of his own solo show into an ensemble

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Speaker 2: show that was handled in like a cats traffic way.

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Speaker 2: And so they're trying to play clean up about what's

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Speaker 2: going on, because they know how vulnerable they are to

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Speaker 2: this idea that they're bending the needed Trump and that

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Speaker 2: they're you know, doubling down on like the failures of

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Speaker 2: the past the Democratic Party, and they won't broke any

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Speaker 2: criticism of the Democratic Party, etc.

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Speaker 5: So they know they're in.

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Speaker 2: A very vulnerable spot with their own audience and are

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Speaker 2: kind of I think panicked about the way that these

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Speaker 2: announcements even were rolled out from within the organization.

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Speaker 5: I was just they're just a mess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hilarious.

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Speaker 3: I say, keep it going and let's try and let's

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Speaker 3: let's bring an end to the business as soon as possible.

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Speaker 3: Did you know I was actually reading about this that

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Speaker 3: they anticipate losing some fifteen percent of their own subscribers

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Speaker 3: just this year.

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Speaker 1: That's a disaster except from Peacock.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, they're subscribers for cable for people who

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Speaker 3: are cutting that they're cutting the cord.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are so.

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Speaker 3: Many people I've been meaning to talk about this. With

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Speaker 3: the jacking up of YouTube TV and Fubo to like

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Speaker 3: eighty five dollars per month, they're now basically making cable

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Speaker 3: just as expensive as it used to be, and so

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Speaker 3: with that, a lot of the reasons why people kept

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Speaker 3: it was news and sports. Well both of those are

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Speaker 3: kind of becoming disaggregated. And if you just don't care

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Speaker 3: about MSNBC anymore, you're like, Okay, for a lot of

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Speaker 3: older people, that's the easiest decision they'll make as it

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Speaker 3: continues to go up for their overall price buckets. So

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Speaker 3: existential event for the news business. Yeah, for Fox or MSNBC,

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Speaker 3: and for CNN.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just I wish I remained as hopeful

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Speaker 2: as you are about the independent media spase because you've

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Speaker 2: seen so many of you know, so many creators just

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Speaker 2: get captured by the similar dynamics as the mainstream media.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I will say I do think what

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Speaker 2: is very hopeful to me is that MSNBC, CNN, Washington

819
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Speaker 2: host New York Times. They do not, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think they will ever have again the grip on the

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Speaker 2: liberal Democratic base that they once did, and that was

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Speaker 2: so important, you know, that really allowed them to completely

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Speaker 2: control the twenty twenty primary and say you got to

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Speaker 2: get behind Biden and Boyd did they ever Yes, I don't.

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Speaker 5: Think that dynamic exists anymore. Now, does that.

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Speaker 2: Guarantee a better outcome or you know, an outside er

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Speaker 2: take out. No, it doesn't guarantee any of that, but

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Speaker 2: it creates a lot more space and possibility for that

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Speaker 2: than ever existed in twenty sixteen or in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, would be interesting. Could be the Libs twenty sixteen moment.

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Speaker 3: It'd be yeah, honestly, be fun. All right, Chrystal, what

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Speaker 3: are you taking a look at?

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Speaker 7: Well, We've come to North Carolina with a simple message

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Speaker 7: for all the people of this region who were hit

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Speaker 7: so hard by Hurricane Helene. And that message is very simple.

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Speaker 7: You are not forgotten any longer. You were treated very

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Speaker 7: badly by the previous administration.

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Speaker 2: That was Donald Trump pledging to fully rebuild North Carolina

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Speaker 2: after devastating flooding that was caused by Hurricane Helene, and

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Speaker 2: also slamming the Biden administration for what he claimed was

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Speaker 2: their inadequate response. Now, Trump, you may recall, campaigned extensively

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Speaker 2: on the supposed failures of the Biden administration to come

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Speaker 2: to the aid of western North Carolina in their time

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Speaker 2: of need, tying that to his own supposed commitment to

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Speaker 2: working class Americans.

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Speaker 5: Well, We've now.

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Speaker 2: Got the first test case for how the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: is going to approach disaster relief in his second elon

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Speaker 2: musk fuel turn in the White House, and so far

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Speaker 2: the answer is near complete abandonment. So ten days ago,

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Speaker 2: parts of Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, they were all

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Speaker 2: hit with devastating floods after a rapid snow melt was

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Speaker 2: then followed by torrential rains. Rivers overran their banks, roads

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Speaker 2: were completely swamped. Thousands of houses and businesses were destroyed.

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Speaker 2: More than a dozen people actually were killed in these floods.

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Speaker 2: More than a thousand people had to be rescued, you're

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Speaker 2: seeing some of that on the screen right here, in

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Speaker 2: order to survive the raging waters and resulting mudslides. West

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Speaker 2: Virginia Governor Patrick Morrissey declared state of emergency in ten

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Speaker 2: counties in southern West Virginia as a result of those floods.

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Speaker 2: But so far, while Trump has approved an emergency declaration

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Speaker 2: in neighboring Kentucky, no such designation has come for West Virginia.

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Speaker 2: That means not one penny of federal aid and no FEMA.

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Speaker 2: West Virginia one of the poorest states in the country,

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Speaker 2: and by the way, one of those Trump supporting has

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Speaker 2: literally had to fend for itself now. Southern West Virginia

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Speaker 2: and these counties in particular, are the historic heart of

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Speaker 2: coal country. It was here that miners were subjected to

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Speaker 2: indentured servitude until gaining union rights in armed insurrections against

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Speaker 2: company rule like the Battle of Blair Mountain. After having

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Speaker 2: their resources plundered by robber barons who didn't care whether

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Speaker 2: miners lived or died. They then watched as the industry

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Speaker 2: declined with nothing to replace it, leaving a wake of

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Speaker 2: economic devastation. In fact, two of the hardest hit counties

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Speaker 2: mcdallan Mango Counties. They're among the poorest in the nation

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00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: because of this legacy of exploitation, neglect, and abandonment. Even

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00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: before these floods hit, they were struggling, and now they

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00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: are literally and figuratively underwater.

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Speaker 5: My friend JADYE.

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Speaker 2: Belcher, As, a filmmaker from the area, posted drone footage

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Speaker 2: of the damage to his channel, creep Alatcha. This was

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Speaker 2: no small incident. In West Virginia alone, some two thousand

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Speaker 2: homes were just countless businesses, schools, remain closed, water remains undrinkable,

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Speaker 2: roads remain impassable. Some areas flooded three feet higher than

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Speaker 2: the previous record. It was historic devastation, and the federal

886
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: government remains completely absent from the scene. Yet another betrayal

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Speaker 2: of these Americans, this time by the political figure that

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00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: they have trusted the most. I honestly don't know what's

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00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: going on here. Maybe Trump is just too busy like

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Speaker 2: renaming the Gulf of Mexico golfing and cheering on Elon's

891
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: efforts to destroy the entire government. After all, it seems

892
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: like if he was gonna care about any ordinary people

893
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: would be this state and these people who vote for

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Speaker 2: him in some of the most overwhelming numbers of anywhere

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Speaker 2: in the country. The governor here is a Republican. The

896
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Speaker 2: entire congressional delegation, they're all Republicans, and they are all

897
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 2: begging the president for help. Now he may still yet

898
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Speaker 2: make the declaration, but we're already ten days out. What

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Speaker 2: is the hold up here now?

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Speaker 5: I'm told?

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Speaker 2: One potential issue could be that the declaration process acquires

902
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: locals to fill out surveys online and testing to the damage,

903
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: but broadband access is limited to non existent in some

904
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Speaker 2: of these communities, not to mention they're a little busy

905
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Speaker 2: trying to dig out and put their lives back together

906
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: here with no help from the Feds. Now, local news

907
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Speaker 2: outlets are starting to ask whether this abandonment of West

908
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Speaker 2: Virginia is actually intentional, if it's actually part and parcel

909
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Speaker 2: of a Trump administration ideological project. In particular, this Regional

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Speaker 2: paper Press. Senator Shelley Moore Capito on if she thought

911
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Speaker 2: Elon's DOGE cuts were hurting the response, noting that FEMA

912
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Speaker 2: has been hit already with staffing cuts thanks to the

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Speaker 2: federal government PERGE. They also asked her if she expected

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Speaker 2: Trump to completely dismantle FEMA and send it to the States,

915
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Speaker 2: as he has previously suggested. Now more, Capito said she

916
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Speaker 2: didn't think so, saying quote, I don't see a scenario

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Speaker 2: where all disaster relief goes to the States.

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Speaker 5: I really don't.

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Speaker 2: I think that there's just too much in some of

920
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Speaker 2: these disasters that are very large, too much for a

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Speaker 2: state to be able to handle. But there's no real

922
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: indication that Trump and his band of austerity radicals really

923
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Speaker 2: cares about any that. In fact, they've already previously unreported

924
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: significant cuts to federal disaster relief. According to drop Site,

925
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: at the bidding of the Trump administration, Speaker Mike Johnson

926
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Speaker 2: slashed over one hundred million dollars from a program to

927
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Speaker 2: help disaster victims with legal aid. After the initial shock

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Speaker 2: of a catastrophe in the early phases of basic survival

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Speaker 2: in boots on the ground style cleanup, the next phase

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Speaker 2: of recovery often involves a lot of legal battles to

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Speaker 2: secure your rights. In particular, homeowners and renters often have

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Speaker 2: to go to war with their insurance companies to be

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Speaker 2: able to get what they are entitled to. Scammers also

934
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Speaker 2: often swoop in to take advantage of the desperation caused

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Speaker 2: by this crisis. Recognizing this need, federal disaster relief has

936
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Speaker 2: for over a decade now included legal assistance so people

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Speaker 2: at least have a chance in these battles against the

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Speaker 2: insurance companies and scammers. That is no longer the case.

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Speaker 2: At the direction of Trump Budget director Russ vote House

940
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: Republicans stripped all the money that was meant to fund

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Speaker 2: legal assistance for victims of floods, hurricanes, and fires. The

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Speaker 2: impact of these cuts will be felt most acutely in

943
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Speaker 2: rural areas, places like southern West Virginia, where government backed

944
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: legal aid nonprofits are literally the only available options. And

945
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Speaker 2: it will also be most acutely felt among poor people

946
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Speaker 2: who have no resources to fight back without this assistance. Now, Vote,

947
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: he's an anti government ideologue. He's attempted to push these

948
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Speaker 2: cuts through before during Trump's first term, but to no avail.

949
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Speaker 2: But in the new Trump administration, fueled by this sort

950
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Speaker 2: of anarcho capitalist flavor, Russ's assault on federal disaster relief

951
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: was taken up and passed no problem whatsoever. But whether

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Speaker 2: this is an ideological commitment or an accidental oversight, West

953
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Speaker 2: Virginia's fate, here is a preview of what's to come.

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Speaker 2: If Trump and Musk and Vote get their way with

955
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: gutting FEMA. Everyone will suffer, but actually the hardest hit

956
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Speaker 2: that's going to be rural areas in small states, the

957
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: kind of places where politicians like Trump are happy to

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Speaker 2: go and do a photo op when it serves their interest.

959
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Speaker 2: It immediately cast aside as soon as the news cycle

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Speaker 2: moves on, And I'm kind of floored by this saga.

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Speaker 2: I kept thinking, like I'm gonna write them and if you.

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Speaker 3: Want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a

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