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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, Nick Redfern, I think you read that you

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Speaker 1: started thinking about the possibilities of sex with robots, not

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Speaker 1: for you, but as a topic for the book, in

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Speaker 1: part in response to the movie Blade Runner, where you

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Speaker 1: have the character Press, who is a sex worker, a

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Speaker 1: pleasure worker for a humanoid sort of android, kind of

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Speaker 1: a creature. I guess you could call her a robot.

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Speaker 1: You make a chapter about that and the possibilities work

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Speaker 1: auld lead sex with robots. It's going to happen, right,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it has gone ahead, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the past, but today's a far more sophisticated. But

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Speaker 1: for me, you know, I like women to be to

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Speaker 1: have skin, you know, not copper or aluminum or something

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Speaker 1: like that, you know. But jokeing aside, I think we

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Speaker 1: will see a development and I'm far more sophisticated. Dolls

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Speaker 1: if you like, or robots whatever you want to call them,

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Speaker 1: and what are the people who was really fascinated by

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Speaker 1: this was the late Mactonis, who wrote a good book

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Speaker 1: on Mars, and I'll just give you a quote what

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Speaker 1: he said for the book, I can easily foresee companies

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Speaker 1: selling as many themed robots as there are sexual kings,

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Speaker 1: robotic lovers, perhaps complimented by virtual reality, will allow people

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Speaker 1: to live out whatever fantasies they want, surprising realism even

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Speaker 1: further ahead. I also think that his sexual revolution will

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Speaker 1: blur the lines of sexuality, gay, lesbian, by or whatever

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Speaker 1: may become somewhat outdated. And he also says some sex

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Speaker 1: robots might even be reproductions of celebrities. I guess that

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Speaker 1: would be pretty just to watch, you know, those would

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Speaker 1: be the expensive ones. I guess I think that he

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Speaker 1: was probably right in writing about this. You know that

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Speaker 1: you think about lonely people, older people, people who aren't

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Speaker 1: who don't think of themselves as very attractive, or who

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Speaker 1: are alone. This would be an outlet for them, or

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Speaker 1: you know, in cells. We read about in cells, these

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Speaker 1: young men who are angry at the world going off

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Speaker 1: on shooting rampages because they can't get girlfriends. Maybe that's

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Speaker 1: a solution a part of that. Yeah, I guess the

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Speaker 1: only thing that's missing, so to speak, is the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know, we don't have full artificial intelligence. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know it's spoken about a lot, but you know,

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about robots having souls, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not at that point. You know. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot being said and over said really about artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: and we are going that way, but we haven't really

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Speaker 1: got it. So that is going to be the one

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Speaker 1: big difference when it comes to sex with robots. The

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Speaker 1: robots themselves, still in our time frame are basically still coldhearted,

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Speaker 1: metallic robots. Not to be too graphic about it, but

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Speaker 1: I know there are men who rely on blow up dolls,

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Speaker 1: so I guess they probably wouldn't mind about how intelligent they're.

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Speaker 1: The robot partner was, you know, well, I guess whatever

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Speaker 1: was thinking about the virtual reality aspects that that is

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Speaker 1: a technology too that could be driven by sexual interests.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's some virtual reality projections about how it

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Speaker 1: can be used in sexual contexts as well. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that that's going to go run and run,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean just sort of living in that

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Speaker 1: people would love to do that, you know, almost like

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Speaker 1: kind of thing. I could easily see that expanding to

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Speaker 1: like that. We have drones that are basically autonomous that

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Speaker 1: being done by DARPA. They've been doing some really fascinating

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Speaker 1: and highly advanced technology for soldiers on the battlefield, you know,

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Speaker 1: would be robotic. And to some degree, that's almost like

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Speaker 1: something along the lines of like a RoboCop. You know,

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Speaker 1: a case of Sci Fi turning into sci fact. Six

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Speaker 1: million dollar Man as an example exactly. That's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know some of that is already happening. There

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Speaker 1: are amazing advances as you document in this book, and

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Speaker 1: for soldiers who've been injured, who've lost a leg or

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Speaker 1: that work. But they could also be autonomous robots that

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Speaker 1: you send into combat instead of humans. Right, Well, that's right,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: a will you know, hundred years from now, will our

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Speaker 1: people of that for the of another century. To them,

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Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be simple, it'll be just the normal thing.

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Speaker 1: But for us now, it might be oh well, you know,

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Speaker 1: well you as you document. I mean, police agencies, I've

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Speaker 1: seen it. I've seen it in an action. Police agencies

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Speaker 1: already use robots. There say, for example, go into a

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Speaker 1: I mean even with like Sophia, Sophia is not art

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Speaker 1: So but but those type of robots are extremely you know,

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Speaker 1: And and I think that's how it'll be. It won't

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Speaker 1: have talked about before. Yeah, and you speculate, hey, were

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Speaker 1: when we talk about the men in black, most people

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Speaker 1: think of Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, because you

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Speaker 1: know from the movies, you know, that's really what sort

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Speaker 1: of mad people sit up and say, well, who are

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Speaker 1: the men in black? And everybody knew who they were.

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Speaker 1: But the reality is, if if you speak to the witnesses,

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Speaker 1: to the real men in black who've been threatened that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing, most people have said, they don't look

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Speaker 1: completely normal. They wear the black suits, they still even

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Speaker 1: wear the old fedora hats, still than like the nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifties hats, but their skin kind of looks like classic.

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